Hi Joe, thanks for making this video. I would like to point out to your followers that I have not made any endorsements and that you actually purchased the Royal Mount 50 soft brass thumbwheels and posts kit. Regarding the adapters vs traditional posts test, there is one thing to consider: many adapter manufacturers make them in steel and not in soft brass or if they are in brass they are harder modern alloys with a very different resonance compared to soft brass. From my point of view, a guitar created with a Nashville bridge by switching to ABR-1 with soft brass adapters manages to get very close to the sound of a guitar created with the posts screwed directly into the wood. Obviously the mass of brass is different and the equalization compared to the traditional ABR-1 posts will be slightly different. But consider that soft brass manages to sweeten the high frequencies and manages to give more presence and "body" to the medium frequencies. The low frequencies are never muddy and the notes can be distinguished very well. As a final consideration, I would really like to talk to you about the soft brass that I use for Royal Mount because I believe I am the only one in the world who uses NOS (new old stock) bars that are at least 70 years old. I and many other guitarists have heard a notable difference between NOS soft brass and recent soft brass. Probably the way of making this alloy has changed over the years and this translates into a more distant sound compared to the sound of the "bursts" which are our point of reference. Thank you again for choosing Royal Mount and congratulations on the excellent work!

@JoePerkinsMusic

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for all of your thoughts & the information. And yep - the Nashville adaptors. the plain threads & both sets of thumbwheels were all bought at full retail price on Reverb! :-)

That’s actually a drastic difference. This video has convinced me to do the same thing to my guitar. Thank you

Never , ever apologise for nerding Perks , i love this channel

I've seen the previous video and it was a brilliant one. I saw the comments and didn't expect such a pro-level reaction, bravo! This video is excellent!

@JoePerkinsMusic

9 күн бұрын

Thanks mate - glad you liked it!

I did the whole ’59 thing to my 2016 Les Paul Traditional. It now has the Faber bridge with the screw-in stud inserts, Monty’s PAFs, 50s wiring and lightweight aluminium tailpiece. With a set of amber top-hats it now has that '59 look and I'm really pleased with the outcome. Tonally, the differences are mostly due to the pickups. Functionally, the Nashville is the better bridge. It has a wider intonation range, doesn't collapse over time and it could be argued that, due its greater mass, it has more sustain. These are definitive improvements, right? If the Nashville had come first the purists would now be complaining that the 'new' ABR-1 is cheap, flimsy and "ruins the vintage tone".

@scarcam

3 ай бұрын

I've had many LPs over the years with both Nashville and ABR-1's, the most resonant guitars I would say were the Nashville variants, but I suspect nothing to do with the bridge on those particular guitars

@billyboy1093

2 ай бұрын

Great point Kevin, just imagine if these "purists" spent as much time actually playing their instrument as they do fretting (pun intended) over all these nuances when touch, amplification, effects and yes pickups play such a huge part in the sonic character of the guitar.

@mygabrielle7477

Ай бұрын

@kevin. So true I often wonder if the Nashville came out first what the purest would think?! The owner of a big guitar store here in New Orleans owns a number of Gibsons and fenders from the 1950’s that I’ve had the privilege to be able to play. And they are unbelievable playing and sounding guitars. But people sometimes do get too caught up nailing the exact specs and I’ve found myself guilty of falling for the same nostalgia. But I’ve played many outstanding guitar’s from different eras and makers in my last 35 years of playing. A great guitar is a great guitar

If there is a difference, it's so subtle that modifying a guitar doesn't seem worth the hassle

@Les537

3 ай бұрын

KZread compression is eating it before you can hear it. Also, he's playing chords - overlapping notes. You can hear it best playing single notes, but it is a subtle thing.

I thought the difference was quite obvious! The adapters seem to add another layer of metallic top tones, while the straight in the wood approach yielded a more pure, less complex tone with added low mids. Big change imo.

Huge difference, thanks!

Joe, I appreciate your commitment to guitar nerdery and tonal experiments. I'm always impressed with your ability to play the same thing twice so accurately for comparisons - something I'm rubbish at! I agree that straight into the wood does sound more woody and the adapters do sound brighter. A small change, or inaudible change even, for most people, probably, but the kind of thing that makes a massive difference to those of us obsessed with tone and chasing sound who are kept up at night by this kind of thing 😂

🙏 nice one for actually deep diving on this idea Joe! I’ve been emotionally torn about this subject for a while. I want to love the old school build and sound but at the end of the day in my situation (and in this video) the Nashville bridge is always more well rounded and balanced across all 6 strings no mater what the guitar (which avoids needing to process the sound as much - pedal or post amp outboard in a studio setting) I think when the guitar is amazing it doesn’t matter at all what’s going on spec wise. But in general the Nashville situation seems to be stronger and more consistent sonically especially in a band live or studio setting, the pokiness of an abr1 is something to bare witness too, but by lord do you need to be a great player to make the most of that old tech, it’s more raw - but unfortunately people lack the skills to pull off the old stuff like musicians used too… anyway great video, all the best man appreciate ya! (I totally agree with you btw haha) 🙌

I have a LP Studio with a Nashville bridge. I bought a Gotoh Abr type bridge and the studs are too thin for the stock thread on the studio. I bought a Faber m4 to m5 converter, seeing that the Gotoh has m4 screws and the stock bridge has m5 screws. I hope it turns out good, because i was soo excited to upgrade my guitar, i also bought an aged brass tailpiece that looks awesome.The gotoh bridge is also aged and looks cool.

I didn't think I would hear a difference, but damn. I really did. I wouldn't say the adapters killed your tone? Because it's definitely something you can maybe dial out. It's in the 5-6.5khz range. A tinny and more shrill sound. The posts directly into wood Definitely round out the sound a lot more and make it sound open lot more warm.

The adapter tone is more pokey and spikey to the ears where as the Post's going into the wood are more focused and warm. I prefer the post's into the wood tone.

I did the same thing in my standard Les Paul, where before I had the Faber adapters, honestly I didn't hear any substantial differences, I think the differences are more emotional than auditory but... maybe I'm wrong, however I like the fact that the pin is fixed directly into the wood 😊

Man! This is an Outstanding video! (No problem at all here about its length) You did a great Job.. I dont konw how many outhere wolud mod their 92 "Good wood" LP to full test adaptors!..and Yes I appreciate the Royal Mount product too! ❤❤ Well Done Boys Well Done! Keep on Rocking!

Thank you very much for the very helpful video. I actually did my own a/b test with my Nashville to Faber upgrade and considered installing dowels as well. Looks as if it's easier to tweak a n EQ to come very close. Given there's a drummer nearby who ruins the subtle tone changes of my abr-1 bridge efforts anyway.

My 19 classic modded vintage is a bright guitar overall. This is the only thing i havent gone after yet, the bridge was replaced but not with 4 uncles yet.

Hi, and first, thanks for doing the work for this experiment. So to my ears, on my Samsung S11+ phone speakers, studs directly into the wood dulled the tone ever so slightly and with the adaptor inserts it sounds slightly brighter and more sustainy? If that's a word... Over all if I had no idea there was a change I wouldn't have noticed a difference. I will like to listen on quality speakers and see if I still conclude the same. Dean Richards

Definitely could hear the difference and it was much bigger than I was expecting, I agree with your impression. The adaptors definitely added more metallic zing and fizz and straight into the wood is definitely smoother and more pleasant to my ears. Thank you for always doing way too much work to compare super subtle things that most people don’t really care about, I really appreciate your videos!

I did this also to my SG Standard '61 Maestro. But I used a set of Kluson 4mm to 8mm adaptor posts. They screwed directly into the hole left buy the weird Nashville style inserts. No plugging or redrilling required. The ABR1 bridge then fit perfectly with hardly any movement or rattling after. Perfect for the Maestro vibrola.

@JoePerkinsMusic

10 күн бұрын

This was more a comparison of using any adaptors vs the threads going straight into the wood (like the 50s guitars).

I’m also hearing the slight increase in highs and upper mids with the adapter studs vs. the treaded studs. I know it’s heresy, but I kind of preferred it in the specific clips I heard, but you’re absolutely right that it could be likely be eq’d one way or another on the amp with pretty similar effects. Did you notice a difference in resonance vs. the stock Nashville setup? I see people say the Faber conversion studs say their guitars were noticeably louder with the conversion studs, but I haven’t seen many from sources I trust as much as your channel. Thanks for the video!

I appreciate you asking the question. It's one that I was curious about. Thanks for the comparison. The Nashville has a bit more top end to my ears. At a live gig though,the difference probably wouldn't be noticed,but for sure the Nashville would cut through the mix better.That said ,with a tad of EQ,they would sound the same live.So,I'll keep my Nashville bridge on my Les Paul. Great video Joe 🤝

thank you and well done

Interesting video, thank you! But You skipped the part that I wanted to see...how did you install the threaded...threads directly on the wood? Are they threaded all the long? how did you do it? Because I'm thinking about doing the same thing. And...did you notice problems on intonation? because if you install them a little offset, you may run out of length on the saddles to intonate...I would really like to know about theses things. Thanks anyway for posting it!!

Interesting. I put a Faber ABR/Posts in a 90s LP Custom to 50fy it and am very happy - don't think I'll get the dowels and wood glue out after watching this. But I do think the screwed into wood sound is a bit tighter and less toppy (mostly but not always a good thing!). Very grateful for the comparison. It's nice having the look of an ABR but it was the OX4 pick ups that unsurprisingly made the biggest difference. Do you think the ThroBak's are worth the premium? Your LP mod videos have given great insight. Thanks.

Hi Joe . It was a great video😅, I notice the sound with threads directly into the wood seem to have less hi mid/hi frequencies its as if the wood absorbed them. Maybe that's what a lot of Vintage player fans want .Take a look at Steve Morse,s guitar with the claw type anchor ,its got alot more surface area to allow a better resonance response giving you more Mid/highs. I did this particular mod to LTD Guitar with a AB type bridge and it sounds a lot brighter than the original through ferrole design. I suppose in the end it depends whichever way you like it. Best 👍 regards. John😊

Great video. Are those adaptors the ones made by Faber out of brass, Joe?

@JoePerkinsMusic

3 ай бұрын

They're the Royal Mount adaptors - but they are indeed Soft Brass; very similar to the Fabers! :-)

There is a difference though I couldn’t say one is better than the other. It would be interesting to hear what adding a second set of thumbwheels to the vintage correct posts would do. From my own experience doing this gives similar results as what I hear with the adapter bushings.

Ever put some KT titanium saddles into an ABR-1 ? Maybe good to mask stuff off and use protection before the tools come out. Artist brush for the finish touchup? Anyhow, finished product sounds great.

It’s also worth noting that the only difference between that traditional studs and the adapter studs from Royal Mount is the quantity of metal on the lower portion. Both types are solid pieces of the same metal. There are other adapter studs that have separate thimbles and posts and as a result likely give a different result again.

Hey Joe! Do you think the percentage diffrence between the Nashville to the ABR is the same percentage between the adapters and the threads into wood?

Yeah I tried this experiment myself and found the same. Into wood all the way for vintage tone anyway.

I have a 2001 LP Studio that I've had for almost 20 years now, and a 2018 '58 reissue LP I've had for about 6 months. Even just acoustically, the '58 reissue is brighter, clearer, and louder sounding than the Studio, and I think the bridge + studs have a lot to do with that. There are two other things that I think significantly contribute to the acoustic differences. For one, the finish thickness on the Studio is definitely a little thicker, which dampens the sound a bit. For two, I suspect the Studio has the "rocker" neck joint, which is not a very tight joint and robs the guitar of some resonance. It's still a great guitar, but definitely different than the reissue. Love seeing your comparison videos, Joe. I can tell lots of work and care goes into these!!

@mygabrielle7477

Ай бұрын

I have a 2001 LP standard. That’s an amazing sounding guitar. It had the typical Gibson Nashville style bridge but I did put an aluminum one with titanium saddles and it definitely sounds brighter, even louder acoustically. I also put wcr pickups and vintage bumblebee caps and it sounds insane!! It has a chirp to it when played clean and has that cool honk a LP should have with some overdrive. Only thing I don’t like about it is it’s fairly heavy

Do Nashville ABR-1 Adaptors Ruin Vintage Tone? Yes. Straight in the wood Is not so bright giving a vintage sound. I imagine some may prefer the brighter sound for a more "cut through the mix" lead part, but I did prefer the woodier sound personally. It's a good thing to blend in and be part of a sound, as if you're really part of the band and not some squealy side show.

I do hear a slight difference, but saying that I feel that we sort of get into the area of diminishing returns! But there we are, it did make a difference. Maybe a little more top end on the metal adapter, but nothing that an EQ can't fix!

Good for you Joe. The difference to my ears through relatively balanced headphones is too subtle for the hype or indeed the purist admonishments regarding inserts or direct contact. Your playing and your '92 standard outshined it all anyway.

Massive difference!

It's super tempting to do this because it doesn't look like a huge job to do, but man... I can't honestly say I hear any difference. Although, doing it this way is cheaper than using the adapters.... I think I'll do it to both my main LPs.

I'm writing before watching your ending. I hear a more woody tone with the mod, more attack with the adapters. I can imagine wanting both sounds at the ready for different songs.

given a choice, I prefer the wood - but as you say, it's not night and day

Definitely could hear a difference and your thoughts are pretty much on the money. I can say there was a huge difference replacing the standard abr1 to the Faber with the adapters on my Heritage and it was all for the better. Quality of the metal likely matters as much as how you use it. Cheers!

@tracystamatakis

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for your input. I will try changing mine also to a Faber.

@HollisCKoon

Ай бұрын

I always search out steel blocks! Saddles & height adjustment steel screws. For all 16 of my strats ! Steel is the sustain & tone! Period. Doing the same on my chibsons. Steel tone & good pickups are the TONE.

i've done this. its not worthy it in terms of tone but if you like it better this way, thats super valid!

Some frequencies just sounds better with original abr-1. 👍👍🍺

Did you get the brass post's and thumbwheels? I am assuming Royal Mount does the vintage correct parts?

@JoePerkinsMusic

3 ай бұрын

Yep, all vintage-correct Soft Brass :-)

If the Nashville had been the one mounted in the 50's and the ABR a later model, everyone would prefer it aesthetically and also claim it sounds better. I much prefer it, is a better engineering system. The tailpiece also has bushings and nobody asks in this case for a direct threaded contact with the wood.

If you want a fantastic Les Paul WITH a bridge that actually screws into the body , get an Edwards Les Paul 👍 My 59 replica has long neck tenon , mahogany body , mahogany neck , maple cap , absolutely amazing for the price imo 👍

Perhaps a tad more brightness in the sound with the adapters? It's certainly not ruined the tone as far as I can hear. I would personally prefer the slight enhancement of the highs, if that's what it is, but it's very likely you're hearing more than I can through (fairly decent) headphones. If one or the other is changing the feel of it for you then adopt to direct-into-top/revert to adapters as you see fit. Not a game-changer here. Loverly LP!

That Four Uncles stuff is a tough sell -someone would need magic ears to really benefit from a $450 ABR-1 bridge and the conversion to threads into wood. I'm a Les Paul guy, but have no interest in recapturing every detail of '58-'60s bursts -R9 hardtail, a Nashville or ABR-1 that won't collapse (steel, probably), Axcess heel and cutaway, p-p phase, and I'm happy. Pickups TBD, as always :p

@These_go_to_eleven_1959

3 ай бұрын

I was getting ready to buy one for my Historic R9 and was talked out of it by someone on the forums who bought one and told me that compared to a Faber ABR-1 it was not worth it. The Faber is only $80 and i already have one so he said save your money? I do like the Faber and have no real complaints about it. Faber's is better than the stock Gibson one. that one was very bright and harsh.

@davidrees1840

3 ай бұрын

@@These_go_to_eleven_1959 I agree -both my LP bridges collapsed about 15 yrs ago, and I replaced one with a Gibson and the other with a Faber (both Nashville), and they're very good and a reasonable price. That's all I need -I can never tell a tonal difference in these tests (using ref monitors). For a kit guitar I bough a Chinese (Musiclilly) tune-o-matic bridge and tail, and it's pretty damn good too, for ~$25 for both (but metric)!

@These_go_to_eleven_1959

3 ай бұрын

@@davidrees1840 Yeah for me the Faber is as good as it gets for a ABR-1 bridge. Funny thing is the guy who was in on the design of that Four uncles $450 bridge used a Faber for years before it came out!😂I think at some point this stuff becomes insane and i would rather just play my Guitar.

@davidrees1840

3 ай бұрын

@@These_go_to_eleven_1959 Like Frank said "shut up and play your guitar!". I'm with you, but I do love videos of super-high-end products, like $1000 silver-wound pickups.

@These_go_to_eleven_1959

3 ай бұрын

@@davidrees1840 👍

The abr 1 is soaking the body differently thus it sounds softer than the nashville

Night and day

No hide glue? They make cold hide glue now, but hot is better. Makes me wonder if the longer bushings I use in my builds are messing with true vintage tone? Page is my only real influence that played a LP, just a F guy. I could hear the difference even with iPad speakers, but better? Ymmv and all that. The original has a metal sound.

@Shamilt3

2 күн бұрын

You mean the linger tail piece bushings? I changed to vintage correct on those along with everything else (not at same time) everything wad an added benefit over stock 19 classic.

Sounds to me like the thread into wood has more bass. Bassier always sounds better in a comparison. How about they just sell a wood adaptor! Simply glue it in and your set!

Out of 4 gibsons I only have one with direct to wood abr and that one sounds twice as good as the others - it's also about 20 years older. On my other gibons I replace the stock nashville studs (steel) with brass aftermarket studs. Here's the deal from what I can tell : Direct to wood allows more timbre and harmonics. The second thing is brass vs steel. Steel passes more high frequency stuff which can sound 'metallic'. So if you have steel posts and steel saddles it will sound thinner and brighter. If you have direct to wood and brass saddles it will sound richer and warmer.

I often wonder if that very subtle tone difference would be discerned by an audience 1/2 stoned our of their minds in an echo driven sports stadium with whoopie children yelping and whooping? Maybe not? However, these are the details keeping guitarists up at night...

Good players sound good on anything they play, while players who aren't very good spend endless time cork sniffing for a better tone, which doesn't improve their playing. The good player on a cheap guitar would sound better than them playing a real 1959 Lester. Also, most of the old guitars weren't great, only a few of them were, according to knowledgable people. I find it ironic that the pristine old guitars go for more money, which the beat ones that are better instruments sell for much less.

I feel attacked by your splash screen. What was this about nothing digital?? HMMM??

well, that Dave 4th uncle sounds like a knob, so lost my business. way to go Dave.

Not much difference to me.

Very little difference. If anything, the Nashville sounds better. Dave Stephens has spent hundreds of hours telling people online his pickups and bridges sound better than alternatives. Sound comparisons do not support his claims. By the way, I have an all-original (no mods) '59 Les Paul in my immediate family. I grew up playing it, and last played it through an amp only two weeks ago. The modern pickups which sound closest to the '59 are the OX4 low wind humbuckers. They sound virtually indistinguishable. (No, OX4 didn't pay me to type that; I bought my OX4s like anyone else. But I bought them because they sound the same as the PAFs in the '59).