Pay up or burn..did this come from.the Saviour??..no!!

@cooperrichards2434

4 ай бұрын

Only people who see god and still reject them go to hell. I could die and never pay my tithing and still go to heaven

These clips, highlighting, cult behavior, specifically the B. I. T. E. model are so enlightening, Nemo. Thank you for these.

Yeah, that's not frightening at all. 😂. It's simply psychological extortion.

@etanniarc1234

4 ай бұрын

That's not distinct to Mormonism. The Bible is a fear based instrument.

I daughter was 11 years old and we would cry every day on the bus because she was going to hell from what they told her in primary. Thank God we got away from that cult.

@cooperrichards2434

4 ай бұрын

Maybe what you needed was a new church considering Mormons don’t teach hell the same way others do

@bmo5082

4 ай бұрын

Going to hell? It’s almost impossible to go to hell in the Mormon church.

@annapatterson549

4 ай бұрын

@@bmo5082being in the telestial or terrestrial “kingdoms” or outer darkness is pretty much what Christians say is hell and it’s easier to type out. Hope this helps!

@bmo5082

4 ай бұрын

@@annapatterson549 I don’t think so. Outer Darkness is hell, or probably the closest equal term. But the telestial and terrestrial kingdom were explained by JS to be glorious beyond earthly comprehension. In Mormon doctrine, nearly no one goes to outer darkness. It’s a very very small percentage that actually go, probably 1 in a million. I say all this because the claim that an 11 year old would think they are going to hell based on a primary lesson is either hyperbole, or the 11 year old was simply mistaken on what they heard. It’s simply not a doctrine of Mormonism to send people to outer darkness, excepting those like Judas that have turned their back on the hold ghost. Nonetheless I don’t really believe anyone truly knows. So I don’t care.

My ex would do this as well. He'd call out abusive behaviors while also subtlety using them on me. My guard was down because I assumed he was a rational human who wouldn't abuse people if he was educated on what abuse was. Unfortunately, it really worked on me. Glad to be out of that relationship and the church!

@aubrey6538

4 ай бұрын

I can totally relate. I was in a very abusive marriage for 17 years. He got very very good at gaslighting. I am also so happy to be out of that horrible marriage and out of this horrible cult. I am so proud of you for getting out. Sending hugs and good vibes.❤️☮️

@barbaralael5092

4 ай бұрын

Me too sweethesrt!

The gaslighting here is incredible. The best thing I ever did was leave this cult!

In other words, if you don't pay your tithing, you will burn. That is fear.

@juresichj

4 ай бұрын

If you don't pay your tithing, you won't be able to see your children get married.

@WatchingwaitingG2D

4 ай бұрын

Fake Christian.

True that!

Oh this is bang on and lines up perfectly with my experience of 67 years. I think the greatest guilt, shame, fear monger address was Pres Nelson’s “think celestial” talk, it had it all, seducing spirits, offended god, addiction to food the list goes on. This truly is a classic because so many though it was so special. 😂

@user-gu4jh9is4i

4 ай бұрын

I agree! Members had their Celestial goggles on if they thought that talk was special.

Yes!

Hey kids, its up to you to choose, but its everlasting death or eternal life 😅😅

@benjaminvandenberghe9726

4 ай бұрын

I get it, but if you truly want to teach what Jesus taught, this is exactly what he taught.

I wonder if this is his way of warning us against the church.

@sheliabryant3997

4 ай бұрын

@kyle. If it wasn't meant to, IT SHOULD MAKE PEOPLE HEAD FOR THE HILLS. Which, of course, is why they don't serve up the SEWER entree until you are at least twelve feet out into the swamp.

@ahashdahnagila6884

4 ай бұрын

​@@sheliabryant3997 Is "the sewer entrée" a metaphor, here?

So I am totally blind and really really high and I was just scrolling when I heard that apostles ‘s voice and had to cringe a little bit not understanding why this would show up on my feed and then I heard Nemo‘s amazing voice. Thank you for this video. It made my night.☺️

I have to admit, I was never manipulated with fear tactics in the church, personally. I know they use them, but I grew up in upstate NY, and the story was always that JS didn’t like the fire and brimstone messaging of the burned-over district, so Mormonism provided a way for salvation after death. That’s what I heard most as a kid. As an adult, I heard the fear-mongering messaging more clearly, but by then I was no longer susceptible. But in some ways, that made me even more angry…that the message is so inconsistently applied and no one acknowledges it.

That lady looks freaky

That second one ; Lord Palpatine of Vatican Lake City 😱

I respect uchtdorf for usually being very respectful of those who have left the church. When I was leaving, I heard a talk from him (during my mission) where he talked about how some peoples path to God may lead them away from the church. Nobody talks about it due to how controversial it was. But it made me feel justified in my decisions. Not that you need a prophet or apostle to give you a reason to leave, but for a young confused missionary, it was what I needed to hear.

Yes fear is a huge part. I believed wholeheartedly and feared the consequences, that is until i learned the truth and the fear was gone.

I love Elder Uchtdorf. The rest of them not so much.

Just to introduce some nuance to the conversation: Fear of an unfavorable outcome is a rational response, and therefore teaching correct principles that enable one with accurate foresight is a good thing. Here’s where I see that going awry. 1. Leaders tend to catastrophize rather than teaching about natural, direct consequences. Tithes & Offerings is a great example. Leaders could teach about giving’s mitigating effect on materialism, enabling one to naturally fear becoming materialistic, but instead we get “pay or be burned.” 2. Church members of all ages are infantilized by artificial punishment. Shame (i.e., the fear of losing social standing) is heavily relied on to promote desired behaviors. Artificial means have no place in a belief system that professes to pursue pure truth. 3. A disproportionate focus on fear discourages people from grappling with faith and reality in the gray areas. This decreases the authenticity of applied truth and robs people of the personal growth they would otherwise experience. This pull away from the gray also promotes pharisaical extremism that distorts truth and conscience to the degree that an orthodox member can simultaneously believe that the deceit and abuses stemming from polygamy are tolerable but a second ear piercing is an act of apostasy. 4. Fear plays into the infallibility myth. If the church is wrong about a principle, then it is wrong about the implied cause and effect consequence, and fear of that consequence therefore is irrational. This is all baked into one’s conscience. Instead of enhancing discernment as suggested by the fruits doctrine, the church doubles down on its dogma and seeks to reprogram conscience through the imposition of fear. It’s obviously putting the cart before the horse and is dangerous.

I was once a mormon... it was very fearful!! Now a Christian, no fear!!

Fear... this is the way

Sorry, Montgomery Burns, but I don't live in fear.

It is possibly the most sickening aspect of religion in general, for many centuries now.

💯

Russell Nelson, prophet, seer, revelator, and fear monger. 😱

That's why Uchtdorf is no longer in the First Presidency. He is honest. He has admitted that the leadership makes mistakes. Pretty sure that his "speaking ill of the Lord's anointed" hasn't earned him any points. All the more reason that I give him mad respect.

@sheliabryant3997

4 ай бұрын

@dori. Agree. But I am wondering how much longer can he swim in that swamp without becoming irretrievable.

So true! The church does use fear. Christ never did and still doesn't.

Yep.

It's easy to frame a people with only talking about negative things like death and fear. Fear has a role to play in and outside of the church. These talks speak about hope and how to live with hope and faith and courage.

That CEO is the scariest man ever

Uchtdorf was so close. I think he was really hinting at it in the church. If he were able to run things, the church would be so much better off

@rebeccacall7348

4 ай бұрын

He was one general authority I could actually stomach, but then he became too popular, so the leaders had to knock him down a peg.

Linguistically there is multiple meanings of the English word fear, just like in the word pride. Here though leaders are teaching some plain and simple truths taught throughout scripture and all Christianity - truths that only seemed harsh to me when I was not living with hope and faith in my life.

There is is a day when our sun will go supernova. When that will be may not take place for a few billion years though.... ("...burn as an oven...")

That is why oaks is the first advisor and Dieter F. Uchtdorf not . Russel needs someone just as much of a liar as himself.

@sheliabryant3997

4 ай бұрын

@aldo. Right. rmn would NEVER be ABLE, let alone, willing, to be in any way below Uchtdorf. He would self-induce a heart attack first.

It’s like a sausage party man! It’s the only thing that keeps them hopeful about the future

Don't forget to fear that Moroni Expressed when he saw the church in his day doing what ours is doing right before our eyes, which forced the book of Mormon prophet to express the fear of recommending the church to anyone because God would smite him. That fear is my reason for not recommending the church to anyone at this time. And I will recommend Jesus to everyone today and at that time that he comes down through the clouds but until then everyone should study on their own and pray. The corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day has completely destroyed the church aside from when two believers gather in Jesus name. The manifesto published the death of the church but it was the concern over property and the corporation and not the end of the fight for polygamy that is the reason the Church died.

Ugh so triggering. I don’t fear as much since leaving this church. My stomach was churning the whole time listening to this.

Mormon Church use fear too

Please help that lady get some conditioner. Her hair has suffered the eternal flames of a blowdryer.

@sheliabryant3997

4 ай бұрын

@sutra. More than her hair has suffered. And she is become insufferable as result

I think fear is in all religions teachings, and in the non Disney versions of the little mermaid and other fairy tales. In politics fear is also used and the church says if we don't obey God we should be afraid of the government. We should fear the government because God told me that he doesn't respect any government so i guess fear is needed for people that God doesn't talk to.

I mean it played a role in Jesus' teachings too.

Duh. They have to since they teach a bunch of bullshit.

Lds don’t scare people into believing lol

Fearing God has always been a Christian teaching.

@eneyeseekay

4 ай бұрын

I guess that makes Mormons Christians. 😂

@rp7983

4 ай бұрын

The Hebrew word used for "fear" in the phrase "fear the Lord" that you see used in the Old Testament is "yirah". This word has much more depth to it and means to respect, reverence, and worship. "To be afriad" is a different word in Hebrew "yare". The LDS church often merges modern ideas and viewpoints into scripture to make a narrative. Using a 400 year old English dialect of the Bible that does not utilize the oldest manuscripts and codices definitely helps keeping its members in the dark on Biblical teachings and practices. Unfortunately, this is not a unique characteristic to the LDS church and other churches are misguided with similar shallow preaching either out of ignorance or malice.

@evanwalton5965

4 ай бұрын

@@rp7983 it is to be expected that some would be offended that a church would teach doctrine. And would teach right from wrong. And warn against sin and strongly encourage righteousness.

@evanwalton5965

4 ай бұрын

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@Fromage4972

4 ай бұрын

@@evanwalton5965 But who decides what is God's doctrine? What about the doctrine of "blacks" not being allowed to hold the priesthood that the LDS church enforced for decades? Would you have been offended at this doctrine if you were alive while it was in force? Or would you have used your same argument you're using now and just say to those decrying the racism: "it is to be expected that some would be offended that a church would teach doctrine."

Sounds like it Nemo

there are no rules to this game, your living in the current 2000 year timeframe but there has been much more, your classification of right vs wrong, is wrong.

D&C 84:41 Those who turn from the priesthood will not have forgivness in this life nor the next

@jeffsaxton716

4 ай бұрын

I'm not convinced.

@sallygreenfield6991

4 ай бұрын

I do not need forgiveness.

@jpr9863

4 ай бұрын

Written by a man with his own self interests.

@lorrainefranchi9105

4 ай бұрын

No fear there dude

@rp7983

4 ай бұрын

Too bad the LDS church is a false religion

But if you lock-step comply with the edicts, you can be an absolute turd and still ride high . . . right?

No not at all Only when you take these quotes out of context

@spacecruisers

4 ай бұрын

How are they out of context? Do explain.

Why is she blinking so much? She punctuates her sentences with three blinks.

Play say this is all coming from God yet these men try to change up the rules in some agree with them and some disagree so you have some say one thing and others say the complete opposite but but what did God say it should be the simplest thing. That is if God told Joseph Smith but we all know he is a con man.

Stop judging the church or the Leaders. Go do something useful

Some people have fear of living in their parent’s basement but not you. You still live at home. Can you drive with that lazy eye?

@karencoates2487

4 ай бұрын

RUDE…

@spacecruisers

4 ай бұрын

Another Christ like individual, brought to you by Mormonism

@sheliabryant3997

4 ай бұрын

@DRTY. You should seek out company with rmn: A perfect pairing of pygmy minds.

@DRT279

4 ай бұрын

@@karencoates2487 rude or true. I'm going with true.

@DRT279

4 ай бұрын

@@spacecruisers Did I trigger you? Calm down. You need to do more besides whine. Anti Mormons are the biggest whiners. 😂

Satan is giving his comments in his edited video?!? LOL

@NEMOTHEMORMON

3 ай бұрын

The full videos are in the description

"god fearing" people stay in line and obey better