Remember when they told us not to use Google to find answers to our questions? Now they're saying to not use God to find those same answers. Basically it's come down to "STOP ASKING SO MANY QUESTIONS!! Thanks A LOT DAD!!!

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

That about sums it up!

@JIKOKALOL

3 ай бұрын

Don't do this, don't do that. But do this and do that. Robotic.

This is the crux of it for me: if past prophets were wrong about doctrine, then current prophets can be wrong too. And if they can be wrong about such basic aspects of the gospel as the nature of God, why do we have them at all?

Sir Nemo, I find this BLOODY BRILLIANT! I’ve lost Five family members to suicide in the last four years. There is no doubt in my mind as to the origin of their distress. “Leaders” consistently employ mixed messages, downright lies, control, manipulation and SHAMING as (some) of their methods to confuse, isolate and misdirect those who have put their trust them. It is my opinion they are not messengers of The Creator. They are Businessmen. Thank you for all of your efforts Nemo. Thank You!

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure, thanks for watching!

@robinnetto6794

Жыл бұрын

I am so sorry for the loss of family members I don’t think one gets over that.

Renlund has been giving variations of the talk for a couple of years now…and he has definitely toned it down. I listened to a version of it where he spoke for a couple of minutes about situations that it is not appropriate to even ask for personal revelation. His example was someone asking him for help locating a buried treasure. I’m not sure how many current people who are searching for gold by praying, but I can think of a historic one. Anyways, he went through way too long of a lost off when to not seem personal revelation. Guess where we should look instead? The leaders 😊. It was quite the talk.

@yolandaespinola2809

Жыл бұрын

Magdasal kyo sa demonyo. Nakikinig din ng dasal yun....

@aubrie8365

Жыл бұрын

That's funny cause Joseph smith was a treasure digger. If he asked God for help the prophets probably would have said he was a product of his time.

@stephenbrown9370

7 ай бұрын

Funny. God tells us to seek revelation, but the "leaders" tell us to have the faith NOT to be healed. Read the parable in D&C section 101 about the redemption of Zion. The key is the TOWER. Then read the first half of section 124. The "TOWER" was the Nauvoo Temple which was never completed. So the tower Joseph was supposed to throw down for the redemption of Zion was what? Here's a hint. The Lord never told the saints to build a temple in Salt Lake City. He told them they had an alotted time to build the temple in Nauvoo, and if they failed the church would be rejected WITH ITS DEAD and be scattered and that the Melchezidec priesthood which was taken away in 1832 would not be restored without the temple and that no baptisms for the dead would be accepted while the church was scattered, WHICH IT STILL IS TO THIS DAY. I give this challenge to all who read the scriptures honestly. Read what the Lord said about the Nauvoo temple. Read what the Lord said in 101 about the redemption of Zion. Those who claim to be prophets, Seers, and revelators are liars and the worst kind of hypocrites. Instead of seeking God's face, they excuse themselves for NOT seeking his face yet claim authority. A true Apostle is a SPECIAL WITNESS, yet none of these guys even claim to have that witness, but only the whispering of the Spirit we all have claim to if. Christ WANTS us to seek his face. Thats what Moses said. That IS a ZION PEOPLE. THE ONES WHO SEE HIS FACE. SO KEEP SEEKING, and if anyone says that isn't the way, THEY'RE A LIAR.

Thank you for documenting history which is denied by leadership. You are shining light into the chaos created by a leadership that does not have the courage to own their history.

The church gives so many mixed messages. It keeps believing members from ever being able to pinpoint actual doctrine, and thereby keeps them in a continual loop of trying to discover the true doctrine, which makes them feel like they're on an ongoing journey, when in reality they're running in circles. It's sick.

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a horrible tactic, but shifting the goalposts seems unfortunately quite effective!

@nsasupporter7557

2 жыл бұрын

Mormonism is a cult, not a church

@stevenpictures1

2 жыл бұрын

@@NEMOTHEMORMON I don’t think it is a tactic. I think they are just being human.

@kelleren4840

Жыл бұрын

Dang. Well put.

@kelleren4840

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenpictures1 I mean, can well be both. But given the amount of blatant dishonesty exhibited by church leaders (just watch more of Nemo for plenty of examples)... A lot of that is conscious. And even if we can't say either way, abusive/manipulative language is abusive/manipulative language.

Thanks for all the hard work you have been putting into these videos Nemo. Honesty is vital, and everyone should have accountability for what they say and do, especially those at the very top of an organization that claims to have honesty as a central part of their values. Great video!

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Honesty is really important!

It's absurd how the church teaches that it's the one true church and that gospel doctrine never changes, when it changes CONSTANTLY. If a modern LDS member went back in time to like 1880, the church would bear zero resemblance to the modern church, if anything it would be far more similar to the FLDS Church. As a side note, I haven't been active since 2010, but I still go to church every year or so on a whim, and it's wild how much the church has changed even over that 12 year span. It's like the frog boiling in the pot metaphor the church is so fond of using, the change is so gradual that you may not notice it's happening unless you're on the outside of it.

@johneasler9967

2 жыл бұрын

@Joshua Davidson: It's a totally different church than it was even 30 years ago, when I was in a bishopric. It's REALLY a different church that what it was when I was a kid, 50 years ago

@johnrowley310

7 ай бұрын

Try 1970...

I really appreciate you calling out the leaders for their dishonesty and hypocrisy. If they would just say we like the stories of old and now want to rewrite new stories it'd be fine but declaring them doctrine from God and then change it later is weird.

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

So weird! Why not just admit to the past an move on?

@mythierror404

2 жыл бұрын

@@NEMOTHEMORMON exactly just be like we did say that and it was wrong of us to have assumed that as true. We have learned and will try better in the future.

@Heather-dv3ox

2 жыл бұрын

Church leaders have a dilemma--they have to maintain their "authority" all while trying to keep their membership. Problem is, they are losing both their credibility and members as the foundation is crumbling before our eyes.

The oddest thing to me about this whole "We know nothing about our Mother in Heaven" but is that we know just as much about her as we do Father in Heaven. If we know anything about the male God then the female God matches. She is omnipresent and omnipotent. Is a perfect divine being. Hears and answers us. Loves us. On and on. If God is perfect, she is perfect. I just think so many men couldn't really see her as an equal so let's just erase her and get back to business. Grrrr

@lulu-qw8xy

2 ай бұрын

Not biblical- No heavenly mother

Though Mormon is just on my moms side of the family. I joined the Mormon church at the beginning of last year. I was baptized the day before Valentine’s Day. Mainly for this girl/family I knew at work since 2016 that’s Mormon. I helped out the ONLY family friend ALOT and when I posted a Facebook picture of me and my missionary friend that was the one that baptized me, standing in front of the mesa temple. My aunt said in the comments saying your family got married there. The girl that likes me that said she won’t stalk me, seen her comment and since then her and her family have been ignoring my calls and text messages. My family said they are users and are worthless and move on from them. This was back in march when this happened. I then started lacking showing up to the Mormon church at times since then and in a temple class 4 weeks left of it and at the end I WONT pay that 10% and go in the temple for the first time. I haven’t gave the church a single penny since I have been there for a year/a few months now until a girl deep down inside likes me I meet there. But in the end I will probably just go back to being a Christian and be on the same path again as my parents and sisters but I will continue following the words of wisdom from the Mormon church. I may meet the right girl at a Christian church ⛪️, by the way I am 28 years old almost 29 years old, never had a girlfriend in my entire life, breaking away from video games where I spent most of my life on, and now trying to get out of my parents house to see how life truly is trying to spent more time with friends and family these days. I feel like I putting my time in too much on social media again. I put my Facebook on deletion a few weeks. So that girl can no longer think I am stalking her though I never have and always ask before I show up to their house. I may get on it by the end of each month to re activate and to re put it on deletion, not on deactivation. So it’s there if I ever decide to go back on it in the future. I also feel like there’s just too much negativity on it thats why i deleted my original one at the end of 2020. You have a great day sir and thatnks again for this Mormon video. I know Joseph smith had like 44 wife’s.🤣

@lulu-qw8xy

2 ай бұрын

Do not return to Mormonism Read the Holy Bible only! KJV Not their added books to it and ideas Joseph Smith was a Freemasonry Be saved in Jesus Christ the only way and there is not a heavenly mother - not scriptural Be freed, we are not saved by works! 10% of income should not be a demand We are too give freely of what we can God loves a cheerful giver

wait, aren't we "demanding" revelation when we ask if the church or book of mormon is true?

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

Hmmmm 🤔

@nsasupporter7557

2 жыл бұрын

Yes… according to the robot Mormon missionaries.

@marleymae6746

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

Very very impressed with your content and sources. The britvengers are setting the standard very high for honest and great content for all of the Mormon family. Keep it up.

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Matthew, we do our best!

@Candymantempting41

2 жыл бұрын

That’s cute, Nemo gave you a heart. Is that what you were hoping for? Did you get your fill today of “hollow internet spiritual troll” from Captain Nemo, making you feel better about your misguided choices? Must be, because he serves no other purpose but to twist doctrine into portion sizes that the world can handle, so they don’t choke on too much truth and die all at once.

@AJ-et3vf

2 жыл бұрын

@@Candymantempting41 HAHAHHA LOL

@proffernot5485

2 жыл бұрын

@@Candymantempting41 Some examples would be really helpful. Captain Nemo's content is extremely well-thought out. FACT: Despite what lofty leaders proclaim, church doctrine has evolved heavily and continues to do so. The level of personal cognitive dissonance is untenable to say the least (yes, I'm speaking for myself), not to mention the collective crumbling foundation of the church (now I'm speaking on behalf of thousands of others that can't take it anymore; they have spoken). The church is desperately trying to blend and be accepted, much to the chagrin of mainstream Christianity. The disavowals will continue by disemboweling the "restored" core of Mormonism.

@patbrain913

2 жыл бұрын

Good job Nemo, They cannot get away with it forever.

Absolutely fantastic, full of great gotcha statements. Suicide is something that hits the Mormon so much, and yet it is constantly swept under the rug out of shame. Honesty hits the church where it's priorities really are. The bank. Time to for anyone who's been through the temple to get that endowment back with interest.

I came across that Renlund quote about prophets not revealing their own ideas just last night and my mind went straight to Brigham's many teachings as well. I was happy to then hear your fantastic video this morning that gave voice to my thoughts. You did a great job on editing, repeatedly playing Renlund's own words to show just how contradictory they are was beautiful!

I'm a Nevermo but this seems to me there's a permanent state of apostolic contortionism going on.

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

An astute observation. Most sessions of General Conference are not internally consistent between speakers. The conditionality of Gods love is a common one they often contradict one another over

Like Jesus said about the Pharisees, “they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers”. I am a Christian, not LDS, but I feel very heartbroken for my friends and family who are LDS. It seems like such a heavy religion

@lulu-qw8xy

2 ай бұрын

Agree

This is so easy to get confused about, you shouldn't blame anybody for being confused.

Be careful Nemo, you're speaking truth, making sense. What a concept! Truth.

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

I’ll be careful!

@Candymantempting41

2 жыл бұрын

@@NEMOTHEMORMON - All evidence to the contrary. The work you are engaged in is intentionally trying to destroy the faith of others by way of your interpretations of scripture and misguided judgments of what Church leaders say, in order to comfort yourself. Despite the countless examples in the scriptures of those that once followed Jesus, including Judas, along with the many false teachers like Korihor, you follow their examples. I am truly curious what it is you all think the Savior will say to you at the judgment seat. Do you really think He endorses your activities and the slander you promote through your half-baked critiques of doctrine and criticism of His prophetic councils?

@davidjanbaz7728

Жыл бұрын

@@Candymantempting41 critiquing your counterfeit church won't be a problem: not becoming a Christian will be.

It's so nice to see them getting called out so clearly and completely. Great work, Nemo!

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I learned about it but I don’t trust them but I have a friend of mine and he suicidal.. It’s terrible they (the church presidency and General Authorities) keeps denied and keeps changing policy.. we lost trust them since we left over two years.. I’m thankful that Im free.. Thanks for sharing!

@lulu-qw8xy

2 ай бұрын

Yes, we are not to add or take away from the Holy Bible Joseph Smith was a Freemason

Happy Mother's day Heavenly Mother❣

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

@parkerplace2910

2 жыл бұрын

Which mother?... They've got the sister wives thing going on up there.

@MsCaterific

2 жыл бұрын

@@parkerplace2910 Hahaha! All of da mamas. Got to cover all the bases, just in case there is such a thing as heavenly parents 🤷‍♀

@lulu-qw8xy

2 ай бұрын

There is no Heavenly Mother - Not scriptural Joseph Smith was a Freemason

@inChristalone1960

Ай бұрын

​@@parkerplace2910That's just a lie they told you.

Powerful work, Nemo! Thanks for your thoughtful approach to these topics. What are your thoughts to the argument most LDS members will make that these leaders are imperfect men and we can’t expect them to be perfect? I usually point out the instances where leaders such as Russel say god would take them away if they taught false doctrine. However, that counter argument doesn’t seem to translate when I pose it

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure, hopefully it’ll plant a seed with those members if nothing else!

His talk in conference was this weeks lesson for Mother’s Day. On the topic of heavenly mother Two things the teacher said was are gospel is simple and we should wait on God‘s timing

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately that’s the rhetoric now, so much for that dynamic church of continuing revelation huh!

@Heather-dv3ox

2 жыл бұрын

The result of Renlund's talk is that everyone is afraid to say much about her. In sacrament meeting, a man mentioned Heavenly Mother--heavenly parents. The bishop afterwards felt it necessary to "clean up" his talk by stating that we don't know much about her. It's ridiculous. The church essays state more than is what is allowed in church right now.

@lulu-qw8xy

2 ай бұрын

Not biblical - No heavenly mother

Excellent analysis and research! I really like how you don't judge one way or the other, but just bluntly point out the inconsistencies. Keep it up!

To be fair, Elder Renlund isn't denying that suicide is sin. He is saying that it is false to teach that a person who commits suicide will go straight to hell.

In the early days Heavenly Father sure was super chatty. About how many wives a man could take. And how Joseph should build a hotel. And don't forget to take enough clothes for your missionary trip. Oh, and tell Martin Harris to pay the printer. Heavenly Mother? Crickets. Don't ask.

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

It’s strange isn’t it, it been around 100 years since D&C got any new sections

@polyglot6542

2 жыл бұрын

You have made me crack up. Thank you for your funny but true comment. The funniest things are those which are true!

@function0077

2 жыл бұрын

Should we ask the Mormon leaders if the cause of their revelation drought is pornography and/or masturbation?

@joetaylor8687

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's amazing that back in the 1800s "the Lord" was reportedly busy micro-managing all the personal affairs (no pun intended) of the "leadership," but now has evidently chosen to be distant and basically silent in so many ways. What's he doing . . . busy attending to other planets' problems or something? It's amazing how he was "revealing" stuff about every little decision and movement, but now he's evidently decided to be mysteriously aloof. THINK about it.

Thankyou Nemo. I am an X member, but I hold some of the values taught by the church leaders as absolutely essential. For example, as a recovering alcoholic I live by the word of wisdom... (*Bollocks zen101 you drink tea and coffee!). .. well... almost anyhoo!. But a big thanks for your invaluable and well produced videos. They teach me about my own commitment to be rigorously honest.

This is awesome. Thank you so much. You are making a difference for those of us struggling and in pain because of this religion we gave so much to.

3:30 gonna offer a slight correction: Renlund says prophets *don't* make up doctrine, not *never did* make up doctrine. So technically, only the then-current or future doctrine being wrong could disprove Renlund.

I always look forward to these 😤👌

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

Here's hoping you find it useful!

To be honest, this is the first time I hear about the blood atonement, let alone that it was not some sort of a rumor but doctrine - you can't call it policy to make it changeable - taught by the prophet... Ouch, that one hurts. Thank you for your content, Nemo.

♫ Heavenly Mother, are you really there? And if you are, why can't I say your name in prayer? Some say you won't answer me, but I think I'll try once just to see...... ♫

I love your content, Nemo! Thank you as always.

To an outsider, Heavenly Mother is a strange concept which is part of the Mormon obsession with sex and procreation, before and after death. The concept is just plain weird, especially to an atheist raised as a Christian.

Brilliant as always! Ty soooo much for covering Blood Atonement. Especially with the show Under the Banner of Heaven showing DIRECT correlation between the teachings of the church and these murders: many are coming out and saying our church has "nothing to do with these fringe groups". Oh, do I beg to differ.....

I guess I understand why some of us got beat for asking questions growing up in the church.

Do you have these as a playlist on your channel? I'd really appreciate that, make it a great resource to turn to later when my kids are old enough to share them with.

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

You bet! The LIES of Church Leaders kzread.info/head/PL2iZEtQU3lgc3I3vprWrU85pHoItcjCVi

I can't help thinking of what they used to tell us Put your trust in god and not in the arm of flesh. to me that means to get the answer from god through the Holy Ghost. who will let you know if something is wright or not. They used to tell us to build up a personal relationship with him. its funny if someone is lost and asks for derections that is being humble.I not been to Church for years. I don't call myself anything these days I just want to live a peaceful life. and let others get on with theirs

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

Things have changed since then unfortunately!

@lulu-qw8xy

2 ай бұрын

So not return to LDS Go by the Holy Bible only! KJV is best We are not to add to God's Holy Word or take away There is not heavenly mother - not scriptural Jesus Christ is not Lucifer's spirit brother Men in the temples meeting requirements do not become a god Joseph Smith was a freemason etc

Some denied there were multiple versions of the first vision. Yet the church KZread channel released a video on March 22, 2020 with the narrator claiming there were nine versions of the first vision. Go to the KZread video "Ask of God: Joseph Smith's First Vision" and then advance the time stamp to 0:10.

@patricianoel7782

2 жыл бұрын

This info about the multiple versions is what started my fall down the 🐰rabbit 🕳 hole. Aaawweeee.

Very powerful, Nemo, thanks for all the hard work put into this and the other videos in the "truth and..." series.

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

These talks are so confusing! I can't get my head around them, because the minute anyone speaks, it destroys all other so called "revelation", or policies, etc. Doesn't contradiction make things worse not better? How is this somehow some way of being under the Lord's way orderly, fair, logical, or empathic? They shoot themselves in the foot everytime! They don't have a damn clue as to what any God would do ...

Awesome video! Thank you! Phenomenal mic drop video as usual. Great work for exposing these clowns and charlatans.

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Ive decided to stay 'in' the church, but not 'of' the church. Where else would I go? They have 'all gone astray', like Nephi predicted. I had a vision when I asked for it. I was afraid it was it inappropriate to ask, and in my prayer, I told God that if it was wrong or inappropriate to ask, then I was sorry for asking and understood. Like when Alma was afraid to sin, he went to the Lord. In the middle of my apology, the Spirit interrupted me and told me that 'He would show me tonight' (it was the middle of the day when I was praying). Always good to His word, the Lord showed me something that has taken me years to fully understand. I still dont think I understand the last part (it was a multi part vision). Anyone who tells you NOT to seek revelation from the Lord is someone you should run away from.

There is a difference between asking of God and demanding of God. Suicide is a sin, but it doesn't automatically send you to hell. God will judge us justly taking into account all things. The comparisons made here do not make the Apostle a liar. I believe it is counter productive to go about trying to point out inconsistencies "lies" while maintaining that you are living the Gospel. Heavenly Father knows the intent of our hearts.

There's actually ancient sites dedicated to yhwh and his ashera. I wish we were more like Community of Christ and focused on improving our theology

Easy answer, we have more than one heavenly mother since D&C teaches that you can only attain the highest level of the celestial kingdom by marrying more than one wife.

@function0077

2 жыл бұрын

I think this is one of the main reasons the Mormon leadership is metaphorically waving their arms and screaming, "There is nothing to see here!!!" They are terrified of the PR disaster that would be caused by public discussion of the question, "How many Heavenly Mothers do we have?"

@tedgarrison8842

2 жыл бұрын

@@function0077 Read section 132 and tell me differently. Can’t blame it on past prophets and or impure doctrine being taught…

@function0077

2 жыл бұрын

@@tedgarrison8842 You are 100% correct. I agree with you. Per Mormon history and doctrine, there are definitely numerous Heavenly Mothers. It is just fun to watch modern Mormon leadership uncomfortably squirm over this. Current Mormon leaders are cowards. They won't own who they are and what they really believe.

@tedgarrison8842

2 жыл бұрын

@@function0077 truth is cancer to the cult

Nemo, this series is awesome. Do you mind if I use this material to make some ~1 minute tiktok videos? I've gotten pretty good response on my posts showing JW and LDS leaders side by side saying the same thing (i.e. we're the only true church, you need to follow the leaders even if they ask you to do something wrong, etc...) Posts in the same format that show mormon leaders totally contradicting themselves would be pretty powerful. Of course, I'll credit you for the research.

@NEMOTHEMORMON

Жыл бұрын

As long as you link people directly to my channel, that’s fine :)

If the word of God the Father is True, and objective, how then can it be changed? Then why the need for multiple prophets instead of just one?

I no longer believe in Mormonism but I would like to say that people who join the church still carry old beliefs with them. This applies especially the early Church leaders who taught and believed such things as Rascism etc ...they honestly didn't know they were Rascist etc....

Demanding is different than asking

Joseph and Brigham prophesied BS after BS, and then subsequent "prophets" have prophesied nothing, so how can they claim a "living prophet". Oh, I know, it was a misspelling: Living Profit is what they really meant.

Fantastic work once again! Keep it up Nemo.

6:52 I had forgotten that I was taught suicide is the unforgivable sin, when can you repent? I no longer believe it is true, but some still do.

Nemo left the TRUE CHURCH, rebel & refused to repent from personal sins, accept the truths, of the existence of our HEAVENLY MOTHER.

Excellent Nemo. Love your videos

Has anyone else here ever wondered what the process of turning intelligences into spirit children was/is like? Remember, before we were spirit children in heaven, we were "intelligences".....our primal nature.

@johnrowley310

7 ай бұрын

God used his holy organ....

Nemo what happened after you opposed at your stake conference? Maybe I missed the update.

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

You didn’t miss it, don’t worry

Friends - the apostles have continueally encouraged all of us to seek personal revelation. Personal revelation and revelation given through the prophet work together to clarify God's will. Neither personal revelation nor revelation through the prophet should stand alone. They work together. God reveal information as we're willing to accept it. Please pause and consider all that has been said, not just taking words out of context.

It seems like the leader speakers are not talking about heavenly mother anymore. I want to know her and follow her too dang it.

Thank you!

Didn't know that John Malkovich was an LDS general authority. Renlund displays the manner of speaking that all LDS leaders use and which I find so aggravating. They speak in a dispassionate monotone voice, which each word precisely rendered, as if reading from a memorized script, which I'm sure it is.

Thank you again for your honesty and courage. I nominate you for the quorum of the twelve. Who will second it?

Thanks nemo for this content really explains in detail the contradictions of the church. Question where can we find old conference talks that have been removed from the church? Or contradictions?

I wouldn't call it deliberate lying. Rather this is confusion amongst a leadership composed of men who retired from successful business or professional careers and have served in several callings. They also have the connections to rise up the church organization chart. They are not theological scholars. My sense is that as issues arise, they address them pragmatically like businessmen, not as theologians.

@ariannarees6216

2 жыл бұрын

This makes total sense.

@chlyri

Жыл бұрын

This might be true in some cases,however, they do deliberately lie about certain past "doctrine" or sweep it away so they don't have to admit it was wrong.

Bravo! Expose the truth!

Excellent job, Nemo!

Great video. Love your break down of DGR and revelation. I would love to ask DGR if Jesus or Elohim said its arrogant and unproductive to demand revelation? Or has he just found it unproductive because he doesn't get any revelation when he asks?!

@NEMOTHEMORMON

2 жыл бұрын

Great question!!

Exceptional work.

And if past prophets were so wrong how can we trust that they are right now? That was my breaking point. A lot of the time it feels like they throw God under the bus and say he lets the prophets get it wrong sometimes. Or they’re just a product of their own time and circumstances. I don’t believe that they can be trusted to do anything but protect the church’s image, Joseph Smith’s, and whoever the current leaders are.

I have a strong impression that they're making it up as they go.

Denial of a seer and top hat used to translate the Book of Mormon. Then later discussed in gospel topics essays. There is a remake of a film that shows the top hat and seer stone. Posted January 14, 2020 on KZread, The film Joseph Smith American Prophet at 21:56 shows Joseph Smith dictating to Emma Smith using a top hat and seer stone. The version from 1999 had no mention of a top hat. The 2017 film remake version does.

Matters of the heart

SWK only disavowed and denounced the Adam God theory. The doctrine was never disavowed. Same with the reasons and explanations for why some with dark skin were not given the priesthood. Are they going to disavow the supposed theories why LGBTQ members are discriminated against too?

I am confused by the 2010 statement by the SLC based sect of Mormonism. I think Utah still has the death penalty and execution by firing squad to this day. Also, the Utah legislature essentially does the bidding of the Mormon church (i.e. Utah is a wannabe theocracy that is slightly constrained by the U.S. federal government). So the statement, "However, so-called blood atonement, by which individuals would be required to shed their own blood to pay for their sins, is not a doctrine of TCOJCOLDS. We believe in and teach the infinite and all-encompassing atonement of Jesus Christ, which makes forgiveness of sin and salvation possible for all people." This statement, Utah's death penalty, and Utah's methods of execution seem slightly inconsistent with one another. I know, I know, demanding consistency from Mormons is a fool's errand.

@joetaylor8687

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think the two are connected in any way in this instance. MANY states have the death penalty, and it has served them well, often just getting offenders to admit to things (or describe the location of bodies, etc.) so it could be taken off the table. But there's a strong movement in Utah to abolish the death penalty, as the state becomes more "woke." Don't think Utah is 'woke?" They just changed the name of a major state school (Dixie State University) because supposedly the Dixie part somehow meant the endorsement of slavery and racial oppression. Woe be unto ye who dare drink from a dixie cup, because it's now ultra-fashionable to decry all such things. A lot of what "the Church" does is obviously done trying to keep up with the trends, fashions, fads, and "movements" of the time.

@function0077

2 жыл бұрын

​@@joetaylor8687 You might want to read an June 4, 2010 article by Peggy Fletcher Stack in the Salt Lake Tribune connecting Utah's execution by firing squad to blood atonement.

@function0077

2 жыл бұрын

​@@joetaylor8687 The Wikipedia article on Utah's Dixie is an interesting read. There are some unfortunate connections to the confederacy, slavery, and white supremacy there. Utah and Mormonism has a long history of racism. Getting rid of the Dixie name might be a good way for Utah and Mormonism to further distance itself from white supremacy and traitors to the U.S. (i.e. the confederacy).

@function0077

2 жыл бұрын

@@joetaylor8687 I am against the death penalty for a few reasons. But your comment, made me consider a pro-death penalty argument that I had not considered before (i.e. it can be used as a law enforcement negotiating tool). Hmm, I will have to think about that some more.

@joetaylor8687

2 жыл бұрын

@@function0077 The Salt Lick Spittoon and the Deserted News are the LAST places I'd look for anything remotely related to either logic or facts.

Well done.

People have always been asking the Prophets for Revelation from God.

Asherah (/ˈæʃərə/; Hebrew: אֲשֵׁרָה, romanized: ʾĂšērā; Ugaritic: 𐎀𐎘𐎗𐎚, romanized: ʾAṯiratu; Akkadian: 𒀀𒅆𒋥, romanized: Aširat; Qatabanian: 𐩱𐩻𐩧𐩩 ʾṯrt) is the great goddess in ancient Semitic religion. She also appears in Hittite writings as Ašerdu(s) or Ašertu(s) (Hittite: 𒀀𒊺𒅕𒌈, romanized: a-še-ir-tu4).

it's because they don't have a clue, and they never will

Renlund seems to not be able to google anything, or does he?

How can any one in good conscience watch this video, then go to the sources and watch and listen again with the entire context. Then tell me that these men speak for God and that they are honest? They can't claim ignorance in every single one of these topics.

They are a religion of convenience.....for the senior leaders alone. The rest just have to suck it up.....

If there is a God give me a sign

great content

Thanks!

He doesn't teach false doctrine to prophets. What makes the interpretation of individuals false is a lack of understanding about what the prophets are sayin - in correlation with the scriptures.

I’m just wondering Sir Nemo, have you yet heard of Paul H. Smith? He’s a Remote Viewer who teaches his craft… resides in Cedar City UT I believe. A member of the church with psychic skills. Go figure. 😀

They keep disagreeing on certain doctrines, thats confusing.

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When he says demanding revelation from god he means demanding revelation from the leaders. It’s such a conservative worldview that grew from a religion that boasted upending 1800 years of Christian thought and doctrine at its beginnings

Nemo, it looks like you are winning over another third.

Blood atonement still exists. Utah is the only state in the United States that still uses the firing squad as capital punishment. Think about it.

Do you know which church leaders stated those quotes about suicide?

A man without questions is a man without revelation. It is really interesting to see how the church backed away from Adam-God following BY's death. Kimball is gaslighting.

The idea of heavenly mother as a co-equal counter part to the Father doesn't actually exist in Mormon theology and that is a more modern sort of "wishful belief". D&C 132 implies there are multiple heavenly mothers, and nothing indicates any are equal to the Father in power or authority.

EloHer ❤

Hey NEMO!? Are you the same guy from Legends of History? 🙄🤔😁 y'all sound sooo familiar 😆

i knew they were wrong when video Joseph was leaning on a modern straight-line fence instead of a 19th-century snake fence that would have confused deer.

Just hearing dale talk, puts me to sleep.

According to Jerimiah 7:14 Having any part , any involvement making gifts including praying and worshipping heavenly mother. Is a direct rebellion against God. Only God is to be worship.