Thanks for doing this and the full explanation. It is nice to see the IV in action as others have spoken about this and only showed numbers!!! Again thanks for the visuals!!!

Thanks for all the great info!! This answered the question I put in the q&a post perfectly, awesome.

You should release videos like this on podcast platforms also. Sometimes I listen to these in the car or on walks.

@panhardey

Ай бұрын

you have no life

Why higher attack IVs can sometimes be better in the Great League: it has to do with a proportion of damage done by the fast move vs charge moves. When pokémon mostly do their damage from charged moves, bulk is more important. But a pokemon like Steelix, a higher attack stat can actually result in more wins.

I caught a 0/14/14 rank 1 Alolan Marowak at Go Fest 2020 and it was very noticeable how much extra bulk it has compared to one with raid IVs. IVs don't matter for every Pokemon, but for some, especially XL Pokemon, they do.

@ExiledtoVampa

7 ай бұрын

I'm jealous, that's my fav Pokémon

@doritofan1002

7 ай бұрын

I’ve got a 0/15/15 shadow I really like its design but I’ve always had bad luck running it

@gabs1400

6 ай бұрын

I caught a rank 1 Seel in the recent spotlight hour and the IVs really do come in clutch sometimes. Also rip to my 2 elite TM's

@tiagomoraes1510

3 ай бұрын

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Super helpful and I'm glad you always refer over to Swag. Been following him for a couple of years. This stuff matters if you want the edge in GBL!

I have been running a rank 1 XL Oranguru in UL, and that thing ends up on 1hp in so many matches. Especially great with all the incinerate users running around, getting through a boosted confusion or that last charged attack usually helps the next matchup get a farm down I may not have gotten before, or just takes them out. Some pokemon do well and good with any decent spreads, some you just gotta go for that rank 1, and some can perform better with certain stat check points. Know your pokemon.

@ryanb6658

7 ай бұрын

That was some great info, thanks

I think it’s really important to mention “zero/low attack” hurts you often with super Meta Mon. I can’t tell you how many times my Swampert has lost me a match due to CMP mirror matchups.

@brianhuang666

7 ай бұрын

You’re saying it right but just half of it is right. It hurts when the meta Pokémon is more of a glass cannon that the extra bit of bulk doesn’t help much as you’re pretty much saving the shields for that Pokemon or for example, getting hit by a charge move does 50% health of your bulkier swampert, and 53% at the higher attack swampert, which is not going to matter as you both are going to faint after catching two charge moves. In this scenario winning cmp is more important But for meta Pokémons that already have bulk, i.e. lanturn in the mirror match in the lead if you both don’t swap out. You’re more likely able to tank one extra surf from the opponent as thunder bolts hits not as hard and the spark damages are adding more up on your opponent. Pokémons like lantern or whishcash as I’ve used often, there are many games that was secured by them by having lower attack stats so even if they lose cmp quite often, they were bulky enough to tank a charge move and remain like 1-3 hp and to throw the charge move afterwards to K.O

@seribelz

7 ай бұрын

especially in meta mons that can do super effective in the mirror or can basically one shot itself, for example swampert or trevenant. Its not as important in mons like lickitung or skarmory..

I think it’s important to remember that having the rank 1 doesn’t guarantee these wins. You still have to use them correctly eg knowing when to take a charge move, know when you can farm down.. in order to take full advantage of the prime stats

@mattsmenagerie5603

7 ай бұрын

I could have all rank 1's and would still lose. I think knowing matchups, counts, typings, movesets, etc. is far more important.

I remember one of my first PVP mons was a 10+attack Umbreon built when i had no idea about PVP IVs. The bulk difference between it and the top 20 I now have is huge. 7 more wins in PVPoke against GL meta. So those PVPoke sims are also pokemon dependant, IVs will matter much more for some mons than others.

I would hypothesize that as more moves are introduced into the game, pokemon get more optimized move sets, and moves are better balanced, matchups become far more binary making stats matter less. I think though that the ultimate answer is "it depends". On some pokemon stat product obv does matter, on others the pokemon will win/lose its matchup regardless. I also think it matters a lot depending on what level you're playing at, if you're just looking to jam games then no really it doesn't matter you're skill and your opponents skill will probably introduce enough variance that the matchups are kind of mutable (to a degree). But if you want to be the absolute best, ranking high on the leaderboards, winning tournaments and such, then your actual matchup breakdown will matter way way more. Whether that means you should run the highest stat product or focus on break points will ultimately be up to that player though. Personally I just worry about stat product because its the easiest to measure and look for pokemon that are "good enough" because I'm not playing to be the absolute best, I just enjoy jamming games.

Very well explained. Thank you.

For Master league the matrix simulations get a lot easier, and it can be surprising what works when it isn't a hundo or even level 50. My level 46 Groudon at 15/13/15 loses several matchups but is still very usable. And at level 50 (if I ever get there) it'll be basically the same. It's pretty easy to just check the matrix with several different levels and IVs. IVs matter, but doing some checks can help you thrift in the right places.

So the pros of having a good one in my mind has always been that you usually come out from winning matchups with more hp and/or die from losing matchups with having done more damage. I think winning more matchups with a more attack heavy one, ranked worse is interesting but it only seems worth it in some cases.

@ssj2trunks103

7 ай бұрын

Keep in mind that formula also goes for 100% or 98% mons 15/15/14 is a 100% base on the calculation so that 98% is better than a 14/15/15 or 15/14/15! I called those a perfect 98%! Lol

@TheFippe

7 ай бұрын

Yeah lol @@ssj2trunks103

i like to only build top 100s unless i need one and have excess candy. however, my understanding is that as long as the cp is ending up close to the limit then whatever you are losing in bulk you can make up for with some cmp wins

It might have something in common with the climate in Canada but thanks to your video I found out that it was not a big deal for me with having a hundo Froslass since I also had the highest ranked Froslass. I made a video to help others not only to choose better Pokémon for the GO Battle League but also to save candy before evolving Pokémon. The hundo beats the 1st ranked Froslass so all you need is the hundo and the 1st ranked Pokémon. ;-) Thank you very much DanOttawa POGO!

appreciate these videos. learning everyday

Fantastic video! Now I will only play in the Master League with my hundo Pokémon 😉, but my 98% Melmetal won against against hundo Melmetal in a Master League battle at PVPoke. I had no idea that my hundo Pokémon with high CP could be worse than a lower IV Pokémon with also a lower CP. My Steelix with CP 1500 and IV 10, 15 & 14 won against the best ranked Steelix with CP 1493 and IV 4, 14 & 11 in a Great League battle at PVPoke. Have a good one everyone!

@luigikingking

2 ай бұрын

Azumarill och Medicham 15/15/15 still win against the best ranked Azumarill and Medicham. It is sad to see how bad hundo Lickitung and Sableye are.

Great video 😀👍😀 Thanks 👍❤️

great video ideas!!

Ok i used a e tm on my hundo swampert for the great keauge and was watching this to see how bad of a mistake i made when i first started playing. These videos are getting predictive i dig it.

I think the instances where they matter are really only when a high attack stat makes it so its not XL. As soon as it becomes XL due to a low attack stat, it makes a lot of matches which are already negative a lot closer. I think it's more about making matchups closer rather than picking up matches, which in general, if you don't see those specific matches, you're better off against the general meta.

Mind you all these clacs fall apart the second anything changes. Moves thrown at different timings, damage/energy from another fight, player quality/mental state, etc...

best pvp channel on youtube!

Why is the CP calculation like this in the first place? I always found it weird that attack is weighted

This is why I don't always go for the Rank 1s. Having 2-4 in the attack stat helps in the mirror and as long as you maintain certain bulk, then you'll be fine. By rank, I stay in the top 100, maybe 150 depending on the Pokemon. My Virizion is rank 759 and Double Kicking the Open UL in neutral or positive matchups, and usually winning CMP (or CAP?) against opposing Virizion or Cobalion (same stat product). I'll either hard win or hard lose, so rank doesn't really matter all the time. My Azu is also rank 242 with 4-15-15 spread, and winning CMP/CAP in the mirror really helps.

never had this explained well, glad you made it man!

Thanks

I’m more confused now than before. 🤣 So if I have a rank 125 Annilihape, worth powering up or should I wait? I powered up a rank 10 GL Medi only to get the rank 1 two weeks later, then he got nerfed. 😒 Just always so hesitant to pull the trigger on powering up for GBL.

Pvpoke is really good for checking if your iv spread hits or misses certain breakpoints

What did stadium gaming do?

I still think about when i deleted a 0 15 15 shadow gary. At the very begining. I learned about IVs the next day...

Dan pouring out the legit content

Yes, next question

So what about Guzzlord, Creselia and Legendary in Great Leagues?? Does theirs IV's matter a lot? I have a 13/13/15 (Lucky Trade) Guzzlord which only has 8 less battle ratings from Rank 1 Guzzlord in great league. So is it okay to build my almost hundo Guzzlord for Great League? Also, I have a lucky Creselia with similar attack heavy stats will it be good to build it for great league?

The video that everybody needs to see

What does IV stand for?

Hi @DanOttawaPOGO, good video and I agree with the conclusions. However, I feel like some of the explanations are - uhm - a bit misleading. You always make it sound like higher level has some inherent quality, which striclty is not accurate. Also, there are some other slip ups here and there. To start: In GO and mon has 3 relevant stats for combat: attack (A), defense (B) and stamina (C). The formulas for A, B, and C you show at around 1:30 are correct, i.e. the effective A/B/C values are the (base values plus the IVs) times this CPM. The CPM is multiplier is a number

@siphon_x

6 ай бұрын

Ah, just realized, I lost my train of thoughts on the "why is stat product relevant" thing. So, we had mon X with A_X/B_X/C_X vs. mon Y of the same species but with A_Y/B_Y/C_Y. If both use the same move that produces DPT base damage per turn, the damage mon X will take from mon Y is DPT * A_Y / B_X. The total damage after t_X turns thus is t_X * DPT * A_Y / B_X. It will faint if this value reaches C_X, so C_X = t_faint_X * DPT * A_Y / B_X or t_faint_X = C_X * B_X / (DPT * A_Y) and likewise t_faint_Y = C_Y * B_Y / (DPT * A_X) Now we can look at the ratio of the to faint times by dividing the two equations and get t_faint_X / t_faint_Y = (C_X * B_X * A_X) / (C_Y * B_Y * A_Y) So, the ratio of the faint times is the same as the ratio of the stat products. The ratio is > 1 when the stat product of mon X is larger. In that case, mon X faints later i.e. it wins. For a ratio < 1, mon y wins.

Does PvP IV's of shadow pokemon really matter? Or is it better to have the pokemon regardless it's IV to make up a team good composition? Awaiting your reply, thank you 😊

I think my takeaway is: 1) stats matter, but not so much you should hunt for the rank #1. 2) for legendaries and XL investment Pokemon, they are worth a little more analysis and time to a) find the best rank and, b) look to see if break points, etc matter.

I have high attack Sableye and it works fine when I use it on the Lead, for Switch I feel using a high rank is better, because it often determines if I can get to another Foul Play

@ThomasoElg

7 ай бұрын

I agree with you. I usually have a high attack pokemon in the lead for because I can win switch or shield advantage.

So, I went back and ran the analysis with Sableye for the 10/15/15 vs 3/14/15 with original IVs vs. Dan's maximum IVs for the great league meta. It gives a battle rating of 487.2 for the 3/14/15 and a 474.98 for the 10/15/15. Almost exactly the opposite of what Dan showed here. Not sure it means anything, but I thought it was interesting 🤷‍♂

So based on this video, do you think it's possible to hit expert or veteran with pokemon that are not highly ranked? Like maybe in the deep hundreds or high thousands?

@brianhuang666

7 ай бұрын

I think with skill and good team reading (so you know how to align your Pokemons ) hitting veteran was not an issue at all I’m not that sure but I remember even in tournaments there are players using horrible iv mons but still were able to take many games And I think iv really don’t matter for glass cannons like shadow charizard or greninja that they are going to faint to the same certain amount of charge moves the opponent throws if you don’t shield no matter what ivs you have, in this case higher attack may even be preferred as you always win cmp even if the ranking is lower But for bulkier Pokemons like lanturn or whishcash if you have used a lower attack ones before you would have noticed how many times you tanked a charge move and survived with 1-3 hp remaining and throwing your charge afterwards to KO

My first pokemon I spent the stardust for the second move to play gbl had 15/1/0 😅

Yes

There is a lot of math that most players out there don’t get! Break points are very important among ALL MATCHES!! Content creators like the Swagman have dedicated his Chanel on that am teaching players how important are IVs am breakpoint especially at the Regional/Tournament Lv! Many times you see mons taking down others that they are not supposed to according to PvPoke! Am yet break points Def/Attck are the difference!

What did stadium gaming do? Didn’t know there was drama there.

All things equal, it helps with close matchups.

Shout out to the SwagMan. Nice. I don't think I'm subbed on this account. I gotta go sub him once you're done. Love this video

I used to use a hundo Dragonair with 1500 CP in great league and now I have a #3 ranked Dragonair and I had much better luck with the hundo

GBL is realy rps so a bad scissors would still cut a paper, its just that you'll regret losing to the good scissors. So Imo they matter a lot.

please help . i have never gotten a proper answer. do i upgrade my pokemon to max level and then evolve or do i upgrade it after final evolution ? i would appreciate the help .. im talking about maxing out the pokemon. not for pvp.

@DanOttawaPOGO

Ай бұрын

Then it doesn't matter if it's not for pvp

@full-time_antihero

Ай бұрын

@@DanOttawaPOGO so the amount of stardust used is the same in both scenarios?

@DanOttawaPOGO

Ай бұрын

@@full-time_antihero yes

@full-time_antihero

Ай бұрын

@@DanOttawaPOGO thank you so much

The defense and HP aren't cut in half. The formula you present used the square root of each, which is much more than cutting in half, unless the value is two or less.

@xxomega702buzzalini8

6 ай бұрын

It's cause pogp has 3 stats vs real pokemon that have 6 stats. that is why attack is so over weighted as it's attack, Sp.attack and speed. vd Defence thats just Pdef, Spdef and HP is just HP

@xxomega702buzzalini8

6 ай бұрын

That's why pokemon from pogp to home to console are so bad they have no speed sp.def or sp.attack.

Ivs very much matter, especially when you get deep into them. Past raw bulk product and into the bulk point break point balancing act. Then looking into what pokémon want a slight attack weight for the mirror match (classic example being swampert).

Overall win percentage won’t change a lot but could help you climb better, it’s a trade off either way

No need for hundo for 15 in attack all depends how hardcore u are. In ace u dont need 15 attack in master

What did Stadium Gaming do?

yes. does matter

You dont beed hundonpr 15 in attack for master league my shiny kyogre 14/15/15 still wins for me att my zarude too which 13/10/12

10/15/14 is the unicorn licky it’s gets the swag break point on registeel I think lol

@ssj2trunks103

7 ай бұрын

Oh my GOD you got the Licktng with the attack break points how jelly I am I still looking for that one!

@Interstice1994

7 ай бұрын

I don't get it 😂. Can someone explain?

I used to really worry about IV's until I started watching Callum...ever notice his IV's lol.

The only numbers that get chopped in half if you take their square root are 0 and 4.

So if the "Rank 1" 3/14/15 Sableye loses more matchups than a 10/15/15 Sableye, shouldn't the "Rank 1" not be the Rank 1?

@toddbuckingham147

7 ай бұрын

Asking because I have a 2/10/14 Sableye that I finally got enough XL candies to build it up for GL and now realizing I may have been better off with a 10/15/15 🤦‍♂️😅

@gm-zf8nq

7 ай бұрын

It depends on how it performs against the bulk of the meta outside those few changes. If the average performance is significantly different, then the rank 1 could lead to a greater number of wins for the player within the context of running a full team.

Does the XL make a difference?

@DanOttawaPOGO

7 ай бұрын

IVs makes the levels different which means XL have higher levels

@ssj2trunks103

7 ай бұрын

XL has more bulk than the those who are not take for example Medicham…at Lv 40 he needs to be a 15/15/15 with A-97/ D-130/ H-134 so a rank one in the case of XL is 5/15/15 A-105/ D-140/ H-142 you see difference all XL mons have that agains the none XL ones!

Dan, question do the actual physical size of the Pokémon matter in GBL? Like a XL size Lickitung vs a xs small one leveled up to the same CP?

@DanOttawaPOGO

7 ай бұрын

Doesn't matter

@hilife8084

7 ай бұрын

Appreciate it man, so when Pvpoke says XL highly recommended only pertaining to XL candy got it

If I get a pokemon in the top 80 I use it if I don't have a better one. The top 10 pokemon all are expensive af. So in the meantime, I rock with the cheaper and still very good #10 #80

The hundo crew will never understand the arithmetic Dan.... Tried to explain this to a collector who is an actual teaxher by profession and he did not understand

Sooooooooo I suddenly feel less worried about my purified 15/15/15 sableye XD

My rank 1 sableye can take 2 mud bombs easily which have won me many matches

100* licky actually beats other lickys

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Not to be the um actually person but: Square root is not the same as divide by two 3:51

Pvpoke rankings use all valid pokemon when it calculates individual rankings. That's why the Sableye rank 1 is so bad compared to the meta. If you compare them to all valid great league Pokemon the rank 1 wins more matchups. So there's also that to consider.

I am not talking about break points. Proceeds to talk about break points haha

Yeah, IVs definitely matter. All it takes to confirm this is experimenting with the PoGo PvP Battle Simulators. Higher stat product/perfect IV versions of the same Pokémon pick up wins usually and typically lose a few wins with bad IVs. Yes, there are caveats to this where a higher attack weight can help with CMP ties and hitting fast move damage breakpoints in some cases but “generally speaking” a higher stat product does matter and being able to survive with 1 HP to throw that last fast move or Charge move can win you games for sure. I’d say IVs matter about as much as they should - it’s not the end of the world usually and the differences can be rather muted but they do matter so hunting for good IVs is worth doing.

CMP should be remodeled ! Its currently the greatest shit ever ! Im currently on the Raid of trading Cosmog until I get a at least a 15/13/14 or 15/14/13….so yesterday I got a 14/15/14… still useless because of CMP. Pls remodel this system to like „CMP goes to the Pkmn who has more IV points“ this would make Def and HP more equal to Atk …..its not only Cosmog …I have countless of 14/15/14 or 14/14/15 legendaries and they are basically useless …

You really did not answer if IV matters, more confused after this video.

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Why does the extra damage matter if the CMP will always go to the opponent? Even 1 extra power move let alone a few is way more damage than 0-15 boost

what did stadium gaming do?