I discovered a new one: Revelation 7:13-14 Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these clothed in white robes?” I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation." John is having a discussion with a Saint Elder in heaven.

“For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2‬:‭5‬ ‭NIV‬‬

@bernardauberson7218

5 ай бұрын

Alors, que fais-tu de cette grâce, de cette médiation? Rien, misérable ingrat. Tu n’as pas 2000 ans d’expériences chrétiennes derrière toi et tu veux enseigner ce que tu n’as pas compris ? Sais-tu ce qu’est la synergie? Non! Alors comment feras-tu pour participer à ce salut ?

As a protestant for years we always had Saints pray with us.. For those who say that we worship Saints are just wrong, we never elevated them to the level of God, nor did they EVER take the place of God. Prayer is simply asking, which has nothing to do with worship. We always ask our brothers and sisters in Christ to pray for us.. If you choose to call Saints "dead people" then you never really believed "All alive in the body of Christ" which is blasphemy. No comment on this.... If anyone wants to split hairs and try to break down these arguments into separate scriptures good luck. (I think this video completes this) I can just as easily call your specific denomination unbiblical since it is not convincingly noted within the word of God.. (absurd) I do believe it goes back to the topic of "prayer/worship" and what EXACTLY the definition is.... Some may see prayer as worship, some do not. Some see them intertwined. Someone asking someone else IN THE BODY OF CHRIST to pray for you, to speak for you, someone you honor, someone you favor, someone you respect or even venerate.... Why would anyone view this as wrong? If you don't want to do it, then don't do it.. I started with the easiest way just as I would with someone next to me... St. Francis, since I know you are in the presence of my precious savior Jesus Christ, and you lived a holy and humble life, please pray with me..

Thank you for your videos. Not sure if you have any plans to but at some stage I would love to see you talk with the Bishop who has just left the Church of England to become a Roman Catholic (Jonathan Goodall).

1 Timothy 2:5 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

@biblealone9201

2 жыл бұрын

😎Christ is our one mediator/intercessor, yet, St. Paul commands all Christians to be intercessors/mediators. Then notice the first word in verse five: “For there is one God and one mediator…” And then in verse seven he says, “For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle.” What is an apostle if not a mediator? The very definition of apostle, according to Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, is “a delegate, messenger, one sent forth with orders.” That’s an essential part of what a mediator is. In short, St. Paul says we are all called to be mediators because Christ is the one mediator and for this reason he was called to be a mediator of God’s love and grace to the world! Is this a contradiction? Not at all! The fact that Jesus is our one mediator does not preclude him from communicating this power by way of participation. The Bible also declares: “But you are not to be called Rabbi, for you have one teacher, (Gr. - didaskolos) and you are all brethren.” This text cannot be any clearer, yet James 3:1 and Ephesians 4:11 tell us we have many teachers (Gr. - didaskoloi) in the Church. The key is to understand that the many teachers and mediators in the body of Christ do not take away from Christ as the one teacher and mediator because they are, in a sense, Christ on this earth and they serve to establish his offices of teacher and mediator in him. As members of the body of Christ graced with a specific task by Christ they can say with St. Paul in Galatians 2:20, “It is not I, but Christ who [teaches] in me…” One Mediator redeemed us. The priest does not redeem us; he is but an accredited agent of the one Mediator. The Sacrament of Penance is but one way of applying the mediation of Christ to men even as Baptism is another. And if Baptism is a Sacrament for the destruction of sin which we ourselves did not commit but which we inherit from Adam, another Sacrament is most fitting for the destruction of sins which we do personally commit after our Baptism. Christ certainly thought so, and instituted the Sacrament of Penance. If you believe in one Mediator, so do we; but we listen to that One Mediator and do as He has commanded us. You correctly quoted 1 Timothy 2:5, which says that Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man. However, you ommitted the context which includes the preceding four verses and subsequent three verses. In fact 1 Tim. 2:5-6 says: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”1 Now let’s take a look at what St. Paul wrote in the preceding four verses: “I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men.” (1 Tim. 2:1) St. Paul is telling Timothy and all disciples of Jesus Christ that they are supposed to offer supplications, prayers, intercessions and thanks on behalf of all men. In short, Paul says Christians are to play a mediating role. Next verse, picks up after “for all men”: “For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.” (1 Tim. 2:2) St. Paul is making clear, not only are we to make prayers of intercession, supplication, etc. on behalf of all mankind, but even those in authority over us, such as kings! Why does St. Paul exhort Timothy and all Christisns to play this mediating role? Verse 3: “For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour.” (1 Tim. 2:3) Who is “God our Saviour”? Jesus Christ, of course. Paul is saying quite explicitly that the mediation he is exhorting us to make “is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour,” in the sight of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. So now we get to verse 4, which tells us why Jesus Christ would desire this from us: “Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”(1 Tim. 2:4) The reason we ought to make these various prayers of mediation is because Jesus Christ desires, “all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.” And now we come to verse 5, not cherry-picked out of context but within the context of St. Paul’s first letter to Timothy, chapter 2, verses 1-6: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Tim. 2:5-6) In short, 1 Tim. 2:1-6 instructs all Christians to mediate on behalf of all mankind through different types of prayer, which are offered through the one mediator Jesus Christ. And in order to assuage any doubt about this, St. Paul adds: “Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.” (1 Tim. 2:7-8) So is St. Mary, Jesus’ Mother a mediator via Jesus Christ? Are the other saints in Heaven mediating on behalf of those on earth, via Jesus Christ? John 2:3, 5 gives a good example of Mary playing a mediating role in Jesus’ ministry: “the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine…His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.” The Book of Revelation suggests the saints in Heaven also play a mediating role: “and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,” the martyrs. (Rev. 20:4) And even moreso in Rev. 4:10-11, “The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.” And quite explicitly, Rev. 5:8, “and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.” And so, whereas Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man, St. Paul correctly understood that all Christians are called to share in this mediation of Christ through the offering of “supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks…made for all men.” (1 Tim. 2:1)

@bravesheep4688

2 жыл бұрын

@@biblealone9201 I pray to God the Father through Jesus Christ, that’s it. That’s how we are supposed to pray. Simple.

@biblealone9201

2 жыл бұрын

@@bravesheep4688 😜to bad you are deluded

@bazzy8376

2 жыл бұрын

He was talking about covenants. There is only one mediator. Moses has been fired. Don't expect the old covenant to get you to heaven. St. Paul tells us to mediate for each other. He also tells us we are all one body. Jesus promised us eternal life. If he wasn't lying, there is no difference between a live member of the body living in heaven and a live member of the body living on earth. We are one body, one church, One kingdom working for one King.

@bravesheep4688

2 жыл бұрын

@@bazzy8376 that was pretty clever the way you twisted that. yes believers are referred to as the body of Christ. however Jesus is God in the flesh and He is the only man to ever walk on earth to have that title, so no we are not all the same and we are not all one… Jesus is sinless and we are not.

Great work thanks

The amount of Prots in the comments who have not watched the video but are making super ignorant statements show. And before I am flooded by comments telling me praying to saints is evil i should warn it won't work. When I was sick beyond all belief I heard a female voice in my head telling to to go to church. I went, prayed the ROSARY, and was healed in seconds. I pray to Christ 99% of the time but will always dedicate time to the blessed lady who, through our mutual trust in god, saved me. And, since my friends in the comments love to quote scripture, I will leave scripture for those who have divided the church. Corinthians "I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius."

@kronos01ful

2 жыл бұрын

There's no biblical bases to pray to no other than to the father in heaven and christ who is sitting on the throne and hes name is above... ALL NAMES! So if hes name is ABOVE ALL NAMES THERE'S NO OTHER NAME TO CALL TO. NO MORTAL SINNER LIKE MARY ,PAUL,PETER...OR ANY OTHER PERSON SHOULD BE INVOKE. what you doing is satanic pagan worship and satan put a number on you. You are deceive.

@AnselmsAlwaysAccurate

2 жыл бұрын

@@kronos01ful ah yes, the good old satanic trick of getting someone to pray the rosary at church, which includes the our Father 😜 Prayer is different from worship. I could just as easily call you satanic for splitting the church. Do more research. We know the saints get involved in our lives because of the countless miracles associated with them and Revelations which states they have a special place among peoples prayers to god. But if you'd rather reject miracles and instead go down to your local pastor who's holding some snakes then that's your business.

@kronos01ful

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnselmsAlwaysAccurate demons do miracles to. The worship of Goddess Mary is a pagan practice.nor Peter or paul or Jesus taught such satanic devotion. Mary worship developed by corrupted spirits in the church to deceive believers to pray to others instead of Jesus. Scripture say: Hes name is ABOVE ALL NAMES! So clearly established who is the boss, not Jesus bowing down to hes mother or saints. Jesus said : You pray to the father in my name. No room for pagan mary or anyone. I mean..its that simple and clear from scripture.

@TheOnlyAnglicanintheroom

2 жыл бұрын

I am a Protestant myself and by definition Protestants are schismatic. Hence the vast number of denominations. Protestantism is a pick and mix when it comes to doctrine. So ignorance comes much easier to Protestants. Good faithful Christ like Protestants don’t treat others with contempt or hurl accusations of satanic worship

@kronos01ful

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheOnlyAnglicanintheroom Jesus call people out . As a Christian you are to speak the truth. The truth hurts and divides from what is wrong fake deceitful and sin to the truth. If anyone doesn't like it ...repent and follow Jesus. Simple! i speak out of love .

I know a Baptist lady, friend of the family, with a devotion to Mary. So, yes. It can happen.

@illumoportetcresceremeaute887

2 жыл бұрын

I'll take the under on her entering RCIA. 18 months

@vss9316

2 жыл бұрын

Protestants have no unity. Therefore, any crazy thing can happens.

I wonder how protestants feel about Satan's powers, since a creation being able to listen to something from another realm is too much for them. Satan can do even more than that.

@samteejaykay

2 жыл бұрын

Wait so you genuinely think that protestants' core issue here is simply the occurrence of other-worldly listening, and for that reason will classify a human passed on as pretty much equal in power with Satan?

@asggerpatton7169

2 жыл бұрын

@@samteejaykay You clearly misinterpreted what I said or you're being willfully ignorant.

@zoesolanki961

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a born again Christian and I believe Satan has power over the Earth, and definitely had the power to speak to people. Does that answer your question?

@asggerpatton7169

2 жыл бұрын

@@zoesolanki961 Since protties don't take an issue with Satan's power, why be averse to the power that saints possess, considering that both are mere creatures and cannot be lifted to the level of ''godhood''? Not saying that you actually use this argument but I was pointing out a contradiction in a pretty common prottie argument against saint intercection.

@eve3363

Жыл бұрын

Satan isn't dead in the ground. The saints who you pray to are. Only two people are in Heaven: Elijah and Enoch and they're not in the same Heaven with God. The Bible says no man has seen God. The Catholic Saints have no influence on your daily lives because they are dead in the ground. The dead know nothing!

“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.” ‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭9‬:‭5‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Well said.

"For as she [Church] has received freely from God, freely also does she minister [to others]. Nor does she perform anything by means of angelic invocations, or by incantations, or by any other wicked curious art; but, directing her prayers to the Lord, who made all things, in a pure, sincere, and straightforward spirit, and calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ" Iraeneus of Lyon, Adversus Haereses II, 32, 4-5

@dedalesigma6755

2 жыл бұрын

A priest, validly ordained and by definition respectful of apostolic succession, receives his faculties from God and those faculties have nothing to do with magical formulas, occult practices, nor angels.

I respect your theological perspective, and a very good biblical case. But even as a catholic, i just prefer just to pray to God, in the name of Jesus. I dont judge anyone who does, its just that i prefer to follow the voice of jesus teaching in the Gospels.

I have no doubt that the saints in heaven pray for us, but I think that there is a difference between prayers directed to God and prayers directed to other beings. I do not view the idea of prayer in the Bible as merely asking for intercession but also as a form of worship. While the Catholic position on dulia and latria may be internally consistent I do not see it born out in either the holy scripture or practice. Thanks for the video Matt!

@TheRoark

2 жыл бұрын

I should note I am fine with asking aloud for a saint to pray for you, but I would say directing prayers to a saint for them to personally intercede for you or giving them honor and praise is superstitious at best and idolatry at worst. God bless!

@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRoark There is no difference in praying to a Saint to ask for prayers or saying out loud to them that you want them to pray for you. To "Pray" simply means to ask, and having your eyes closed isn't a necessity for Prayer to function.

@TheRoark

2 жыл бұрын

@@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039 Gotcha, the point I was trying to make is similar to your guys view of dulia and latria, so just verbally asking I would classify as not praying as you would pray to god, and praying in a devotional sense I would treat different. Thanks for the reply!

@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRoark Thanks for the great attitude

@mr.caleblynn9246

2 жыл бұрын

It’s very refreshing to see a conversation like this!

Anyone know what the music was on the Christian Catholic store commercial?

Okay fine, now I'm open to this idea. But how would I go about doing this? And am I at a disadvantage if I don't ask for the intercession of my brothers and sisters in Christ? I've heard of a prayer to St Antoni that people can use to find lost things but it was more of a rhyme and resembled A spell than a prayer, so ig I just want to avoid that.

@cathytaylor9700

2 жыл бұрын

You don’t cease to ask your friends here on earth to pray for you. You include the saints in heaven in your group of friends. My suggestion, to begin, like with any friend, is to get to know them. Read about the life of a saint. Find one that you have some commonalities with…and where their struggles in life are similar to the struggles in your life, ask them to pray for you and help you. Their prayers for you will be more efficacious because they have already been where you are and have been perfected. While rote prayer is helpful to some, it is not necessary in order to ask a saint for intercession. Just pray like you would to a friend. God bless!

@cathytaylor9700

2 жыл бұрын

The prayer to St. Anthony is a children’s rhyme. It isn’t a spell or an incantation, such a thing would have the intention of forcing an intended result…which is not what prayer is. It isn’t necessary to say that rhyme in order to ask For St. Anthony’s help. It isn’t an official prayer and most any time I’ve heard someone say it, they were doing so humorously. One could simply say, St. Anthony, pray for me that I may find my [important thing]. Hope that helps.

Amen

Brilliant!

Knocked it out of the park

Louis Pentaleri. When u hv found god, u will be a new creature in the lord. Although a new creature there will be daily struggles with avoiding sin. God said BE HOLY FOR I AM HOLY. We tend to think tht we cannot be holy but we hv to be holy because god said so. We cannot be holy on our own strength but seeking the holy spirit n using the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT n by the strength n power of the holy spirit are the keys. U will begin to hate sin n turn your life around towards god. Then only your life as a christian begins. We cannot inherit heaven in sin n disobedience.

6:04 is the Angel praying for Tobus or just carrying the prayer to the Lord? I like the fact that you pointed out the extremism. Because that were the issue is really is. I'm no expert in the subject, but I feel like the communion to the living Saints should not take over the one we have with each others on earth.

@bijogeojose7209

2 жыл бұрын

Praying to saints should be the same as us asking to pray for each other here. But the prayers of the righteous is more perfect than that of the sinners, and that’s where the prayers of saints help us more.

@pandakawaiidebby890

2 жыл бұрын

@@bijogeojose7209 But at the same time praying directly to the most righteous, should help even even more. Again another question, shouldn't we pray for instead of praying to? In the video he talked about Paul how he prayed for the Saints and that since Paul is now with the Father, he didn't stop. Well, that makes since since He prays to the Father for us. I understand praying for but not praying too. And being, for what I know, the use of the word Saints, doesn't specifically refer to those who are now with the Lord, but it mainly refers the beloved of the Lord. Or am I wrong?

@bijogeojose7209

2 жыл бұрын

@@pandakawaiidebby890 You are not entirely wrong. Praying to the most righteous and everliving God is what we as Christians are called to. Here, the righteousness of God is not the issue, but the righteousness of the one praying to God, like how it's said in James 5:16 "The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective". The saints in heaven are fully righteous in the presence of God, and that's the reason we ask them to pray for us. The word pray is usually used for "ask" in the old meaning. So we are praying (asking) to the saints to pray for us to God. All saints in heaven, including St.Paul, prays to the Father for us. St. Paul in Colossians 1:1-2, refers to the faithful at Colossae as “saints.” The Greek word "hagioi" (used for saints) means “set apart” or “holy.” St. Paul would refer to these Christians, and by allusion all Christians, in this way because “being set apart and made holy” is precisely what baptism accomplishes in the life of every Christian. We “have been baptized into Christ Jesus” (Rom. 6:3) who is the source of all holiness. But Colossians 1:12 says "Giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in light." The Greek word for “share” in this text is "merida", which means “to partake in part or a portion.” According to Paul, the saints on Earth possess in part what the saints in heaven possess in fullness. Thus, it is fitting that the Church reserves the title of saint to those who are in heaven. They alone (the saints in heaven) possess sainthood, if you will, in its fullness. They have reached the destination that we saints on Earth-holy ones by virtue of the graces God gives us for the journey-are in hope striving to reach.

@pandakawaiidebby890

2 жыл бұрын

@@bijogeojose7209 Thanks for the reply. If I may say, James 5:16, if we look at the full verse (at least in the KJV) it refers Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. James 5:16 KJV I am no language experts. And I don't know Greek, or how the sentence in Greek are written, but in this part, it seems like the righteous man, is a believer like us. Before James mentioned or sins, and after he mentioned that Elias was a man subject to passion like us. In my understanding (I can be wrong). This passage encourages us to share our burdens with or brothers and sisters in Christ. And you mentioned the meaning of Saints in the fist passage, but not in the second. Do they have a different meaning that is relevant enough, or did you put a focus on the context more?

@bijogeojose7209

2 жыл бұрын

​@@pandakawaiidebby890 What you said is absolutely true. James 5:16 calls us to share our burdens and prayers with each other. According to Catholic teaching, there are 3 parts of the Church, the Church fighting (the saints on earth/us), the Church suffering (the saints in purgatory of purification) and the Church triumphant (the saints in heaven). So the saints of all these churches are connected with each other through prayer and are praying for each other, when looking at John 5:16. I'm no language expert either, I look up references of experts for clarification. I'm assuming you meant Colossians 1:12 when you said the second passage. The "saints in light" refer to the Church triumphant, or the saints in heaven, and we are partakers in part of the inheritance of heaven, whereas the saints in heaven are partakers in fullness.

Here’s a question. Just something I’ve been wrestling with. If we aren’t supposed assume who’s in heaven and who’s in hell and since we aren’t God, how do we know if the Saints that we are claiming are Saints are actually In heaven?

@catkat740

2 жыл бұрын

That would be where the process of canonization comes in.

@eve3363

Жыл бұрын

They're not. Only God is in Heaven. The Bible says Elijah and Enoch are in Heaven as well but not in the same one as God. You can't pray to dead people

@cdeep4548

Жыл бұрын

@@eve3363 😒

@eve3363

Жыл бұрын

@@cdeep4548 Read your Bible. Read scripture. You will see that you should only pray to God and you do not need saints (whom are dead in the ground) to pray for you.

@cdeep4548

Жыл бұрын

@@eve3363 You pray for other people don’t you ? Saints that are dead on this earth are more alive than you and I since they are with the Father in heaven right?

Are you guys still arguing about this stuff?

In Matthew 17 we read of Jesus’ Transfiguration. Along with Peter, James, and John, Jesus converses with Moses and Elijah. Moses died a natural death but Elijah was taken up - assumed - into heaven while still alive. Either way, Jesus along with three of His disciples speak with two prophets who lived on earth hundreds of years before. This is Romans 8:38-39 in action.

I don't know how to really start this, so I guess I'll just lay it out for everyone. I was "brought up" Catholic, by that I mean I was 'forced' to go through Baptism through Confirmation by my parents who never went to Church for any reason. I don't say this to blame them, just to explain my background. Partly, their lack of religion led me to reject Salvation in my teenage years. Reject God in his entirety in fact. I WANT to feel the love and acceptance of the LORD God and his Son the Christ Jesus, I've been reading The Bible every day but I don't FEEL like I've been accepted. Am I lost entirely? What can I do? Is there anything I can do?

@vleskvakuverk

2 жыл бұрын

Pray every night for an hour: do a rosary, divine mercy chaplet, and 3 Angelus's. Then, as you lay down in bed to go to sleep, say a few more prayers (like the prayer of St. Francis) and some prayers from the heart. Hope this helps. God bless!

@michaelibach9063

2 жыл бұрын

I suffer from reactive attachment disorder, which puts up a wall between myself and everyone around me which keeps me from feeling loved. I was brought up Protestant and anti Catholic. No baptism till I was in my 30s. The only time I have ever felt loved is at a Catholic mass, at the consecration of the Eucharist. Your problem is you don’t understand the blessings you’ve already received because of even bad Catholic parents. I had bad Protestant parents and it was much worse.

@catholickirby

2 жыл бұрын

Different people will experience God in different ways. What is important is to desire to become what God wants you to be. To become a saint. That means something different for everyone. What you are describing is a desire for Divine consolations. But not everyone receives that grace, at least not at the same time or to the same extent. Reciting prayers, and praying from the heart, and reading Scripture, and praying on what you've read in Scripture, can all be helpful. But don't forget to listen in silence to what God might be trying to say to you. Try to grow a desire to do God's will, more than a desire to feel God's consolation. Maybe God wills for you, at least right now, to serve Him, to work for the Good, without consolation - in order to come to know and love Him all the better later on. God bless you.

@bedheadbutterfly

2 жыл бұрын

You are on KZread already so I say start with looking up any talk Fr Mike Schmitz has here and listening to him just preach the truth of your dignity as a human person who are loved by and exist because of the God of the universe and everything else. ❤

@peter-johan6939

2 жыл бұрын

Nr 1. Don't quit because its not working immediately. Nr 2. If you were in the Catholic Church then go to confession. Nr 3. Talk with a priest or a monk, internet is good, in person best. Nr 4. Pace yourself, don't push more than you can, basics first, fix the big sins first.

But why would we want to pray to the saints if we can literally talk to the LIVING GOD. The LIVING GOD speaks to us through His LIVING WORD and His LIVING PEOPLE, why would you need more? Even if praying to the saints was something you could benefit from in some extra spiritual sense, why would you when when you have direct access to the LIVING GOD who created, equipped and sustained each one of the saints and their ministries? Look, you can read every book you want and quote every theologian and rationalize your position, which you have done well, but the gist of it is this; if you can speak directly to the GOD OF THE UNIVERSE and He can speak directly to you, why would pray to someone else. Also, prayer is the way we commune with God, it is not just asking or a ritual, it is way more than that - all the Psalms make that abundantly clear.

@thehungarywaffleinc.7775

10 ай бұрын

I suppose the same goes for why would you want to ask your fellow churchgoer to pray for you instead of asking God

@Jasmine-gg1gr

10 ай бұрын

@@thehungarywaffleinc.7775 But fellow church goers are alive and we don't ask them to pray for us because they have better reception to God, we ask them to pray because the Bible says to pray for one other. The dead are dead. No matter how holy or accomplished they were while they were living, there is nothing they can do for us beyond the grave. They are not a conduit to better reach God. I know Catholics will say "we're not praying TO them, we're asking them to pray FOR us," but nowhere in the Bible does it say to pray to Abraham, Moses, David, Jacob, Paul, etc to be better heard. When the veil tore, we all got equal access to God through Jesus, no other mediation is required. We we pray together as fellow believers, that is for the building up of our faith and the strengthening of the body. The purpose of prayer is not "let me make sure this gets to destination so it can be answered." The purpose of prayer is to position our hearts rightly and to draw us closer to Him; it is not a transactional process.

@thehungarywaffleinc.7775

10 ай бұрын

@@Jasmine-gg1gr did you watch the video? Because he addressed most if not all of what you’re pointing out

@Jasmine-gg1gr

10 ай бұрын

​@@thehungarywaffleinc.7775 I did, I guess there's just some things I can't reconcile with who I know the God of the Bible to be and who He says we are. Death created separation. When we die, we will be able to interact with those departed, but not until then. When Jesus returns, death will be no more because sin will be eradicated. It doesn't make sense that there would be a loophole in the separation death creates; the Lord was clear in Rev. 21 about the order of events. Some people say, "we are not bodies with souls, we are souls with bodies;" this is not entirely true. If our souls were the only part of us that mattered, we wouldn't have bodies, Jesus wouldn't have resurrected His body and we wouldn't be getting new bodies when He comes back.

@ifilmalways7122

5 ай бұрын

@@Jasmine-gg1gr No one ever says you cannot speak directly to God and the video never suggests not to.. Others however ALSO pray with others in the lord, others ask others to pray for them. How is this different? No one says you have to do any of this but the Bible makes it clean that we should pray for one another.. i.e ASK. Unless you are calling prayer, also worship.... Which is certainly not the case... Prayer is NOT worship although sure, it can certainly be intertwined.

Oh this was very well presented

@kronos01ful

2 жыл бұрын

No biblical bases

@KarmaKraftttt

2 жыл бұрын

@@kronos01ful He literally explained from the Bible. In case if you have hearing problems then you should go check a doctor. Also here's some Bible for you Jesus told her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying. John 11:25

@kronos01ful

2 жыл бұрын

@@KarmaKraftttt yes ! Thas is true. And Jesuschrist was VERY CLEAR THAT OUR PRAYERS ARE DIRECTED TO THE FATHER ON HE'S NAME. NOT TO A MORTAL SINNER LIKE MARY PAUL PETER ME THE POOPE OR ANYTHING ANYONE UNDER THE SUN BECAUSE JESUS NAME IS ABOVE....ABOVE...ABOVE ALL NAMES. !!!! praying to anyone else not Jesuschrist or the father is idolatry and a sin.

@cozyhomemakingvibes

2 жыл бұрын

@@kronos01ful my main thing (as a Protestant) with Catholicism is this. Matthew 16:17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[b] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven.” Soo Jesus wouldn’t have said that if He didn’t mean it. And it sounds pretty permanent. I’m thinking, if the gates of hades shall not prevail against it, probably some angry men won’t. 🤔 just what I’m thinking. I want to obey Christ. And there’s some authority handed over in that verse.

Why would you want to pray to a person when you can just pray to God directly? That makes no sense to me. And didn't God make it very clear that once someone has been removed from the Earth, conversation with them ends?

@amandaslavinski2857

2 жыл бұрын

Do you ever ask anyone else to pray for you? Praying to the saints is the same thing. We are asking them to pray for us. "The prayers of a righteous person is powerful and effective." James 5:16. No one is more righteous than those in heaven. The Bible forbids getting information about the future from the dead, as Saul did. This is not the same thing as the saints praying for us.

@zoesolanki961

2 жыл бұрын

@@amandaslavinski2857 I can see where you're coming from, but it's different with somebody who is alive, because you have fellowship wih them. You can't have that with someone who is dead because the conversation is only one way. I like friends to be pray for me because I know them and they know me, but that's the not same wih someone who is dead. There's no relationship there and no communication. I think you are also in danger of replacing this prayer with prayer directly to God himself. I just wouldn't risk it

@cathytaylor9700

2 жыл бұрын

@@zoesolanki961 The souls in heaven are not dead. Scripture reveals to us they are alive and interceding on our behalf.

@amandaslavinski2857

2 жыл бұрын

@@zoesolanki961 so by your logic, I can't have a relationship with Jesus. Now I don't believe that but that's essentially what you've said. Obviously it's different with a relationship with God verses the saints, but we can't restrict ourselves they way you have or it leads to other theological problems. Does someone really need to know me to pray for me? I'm in several catholic Facebook groups and there are constant requests for prayer. I don't really know these people beyond they are brother and sisters in Christ and so I pray for them. And as such, so do our brothers and sisters in Heaven.

@zoesolanki961

2 жыл бұрын

@@amandaslavinski2857 You're right, someone doesn't need to know you to pray for you. But my problem comes when you pray to certain dead people to intercede for you. If people can/want to pray for people they don't know that's one thing, but how can you ask someone you don't know to pray for you? That's not possible. Any why pray to certain people who are labelled Saints? Why them? I don't understand what makes these people so special that you would wish them to pray for you beyond the grave, even if that were possible, which it might not be

The whole argument here is anecdotal theory, a moot point. God created man; Isaiah 43:7 [7] everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made.” Jeremiah 33:2-3 [2] “Thus says the LORD who made the earth, the LORD who formed it to establish it-the LORD is his name: [3] Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you great and hidden things that you have not known. John 14:13-14 [13] Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. [14] If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it. Matthew 21:22 [22] And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.” John 15:16 [16] You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. John 16:23 [23] In that day you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you. Mark 11:24 [24] Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. 1 John 5:14-15 [14] And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. [15] And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him. John 15:7-8 [7] If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. [8] By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples. John 16:23 [23] In that day you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you. 1 Timothy 2:5-7 [5] For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, [6] who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time. [7] For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

I think it would be acceptable to pray to the saints in the sense of asking for something. The breakdown is for the saints in Heaven to actually hear you. When you ask a fellow Christian in your local church to pray for you, you do not ask them by praying at your home using the mysterious communion of the Church to communicate. You walk up to them and speak with your mouth. For you to pray to a particular saint and for them to hear you and also hear other people that are praying to them, you have to grant them powers that God has like omniscience or omnipresence. I can't think of any biblical examples of saints having these abilities. The examples you gave are generic to the entire Church on earth. I can also feel for the plight of Christians in other parts of the world that I have no other affiliation with, but I don't have any special powers to do so.

@cathytaylor9700

2 жыл бұрын

We don’t grant powers to saints in order for them to hear us…especially not omnipotent powers. It is not necessary for God either, who can do all things, to grant them omnipotence in order for them to hear and see and communicate in the after life. He can grant these gifts individually, to whomever he wishes. That does not make the saints omnipotent. There is one example in scripture that I can think of where God allows someone in heaven to see, hear, and speak to someone else..and more so, allows someone in the netherworld to see, hear, and speak to someone in Heaven. If God allows communication between someone righteous in heaven, and someone deserving of hell to communicate, it would not make sense to disallow the same between the Church Militant (the saints here on earth) and the Church Triumpant (the Saints in Heaven). Reference: Luke 16: The Rich Man and Lazarus

I respect Cameron, intelligent enough to come on Pints. But it seems his hair-do is becoming a distraction. Humility in 'self' is important.

"I am DIVINE, you are the branches" :D

@mohammadnurfiqri2831

Жыл бұрын

*the vine

Protestants here and I agree however based on tradition I still choose to not ask the saints but I’m well aware there in heaven as witnesses and desire as much as God the father to worship God. They certainly are my brothers and sisters who I wish to join them up. My ancestors are Mexican Catholics and I can attest that many of them have a superstitious devotion so much to Virgin Mary that is practically worship where they deny a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Unfortunately many of their local priests have not been good priest who have been caught drinking and partying with prostitutes but I find it cringe when Protestants assume that Catholics doctrine teaches people to worship the saints.

@luxither7354

Жыл бұрын

It is in one natural of human that Christ and Mary share. So by the humanity of Mary we venerate, we venerate Christ. There are COUNTLESS arguments for Mariology to take an "extreme" degree: the fact that she is spouse to the Holy Spirit, perfectly, making them one Flesh in a perfection of marriage, meaning any prayer for the intercession of Mary is essentially a Pray to the Holy Spirit answered. There's the necessity of full imitation of Christ, including his full honouring of Mary as Mother. Not only because Christ followed the Commandments, but also because Christ GAVE US Mary as the last act on the Cross. There's the fact that she is the New Ark of the Covenant revealed in Revelations. There's the fact that she is Queen of Heaven, shown not only in Revelations (again), but also in the logic of the Heavenly Kingdom of Jerusalem; Christ is King, the Queens of Jerusalem were made so by their SONS being Kings, thus Mary is Queen. There are plenty more, but I won't go into them here. Now this should never take away from God and Christ, and it never will in the Catholic worship. Why? Because Our main form of Worship IS THE MASS. The Mass is the remembrance of the Life, Death and Resurrection of Christ, taking part in the metaphysical element of it in a very real sense. It re-presents the sacrifice on Calvary for us; it gives us the real body and blood of Christ for us to observe and take part in. For a million, billion Hail Marys would mean nothing in comparison to the complete submission of ourselves to Christ in partaking in the Eucharist. In short, no amount of Mariology takes away from the fact that we have the Eucharist, just like how no amount of friends and discussion about them and with them will never take away from your Love of your Husband/Wife, because you ultimately express your highest physical love with them in the Marital Act.

Are we omnipresent in heaven ?

@bazzy8376

2 жыл бұрын

Mark 12:24 "Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? 25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." You know how powerful angels are?

@mjramirez6008

2 жыл бұрын

read the Bible

Wait so the saints know the recent news on earth like covid-19, okay, but surely that doesn't extend to our every thought? Just how omniscient can the saints be?

@DF_UniatePapist

2 жыл бұрын

No Catholic claims the Saints are omniscient.

@dedalesigma6755

2 жыл бұрын

They rely on God for everything, they can see in God every prayer addressed to them, and every relevant knowledge to them. But they are not omniscient they don't get to know the full picture like God does.

@samteejaykay

2 жыл бұрын

@@dedalesigma6755 Oh I see thanks

What you said is all great and stuff but cmon be not deceived. They bow and hold reverence to graven images of “the saints” those paintings don’t even look like the actual saints. They deny they worship the saints but they clearly do. You must not make an image of anything on the earth, IN HEAVEN, and in the waters for you to worship. So even if the saints are in heaven you’re not supposed to create an image for you to worship…and I know in there parts of the Bible like when God instructed Moses to put a snake on a poll..those are two different things. God ordered Moses to do that. It was not meant for them to get on their knees and ask the thing to intervene on their behalf. Also the Catholics don’t keep the laws of God so God ultimately is not hearing their prayers but just giving them into their own destruction. That’s because the church is based on Pauls writings instead of what God commanded. The writings of paul are there to purposefully trick the wicked souls into their own destruction. The Catholics don’t keep the 1,2 and 4 commandment either which is the sabbath. Jesus said keep the commandments.

@bikesrcool_1958

Ай бұрын

Buddy can you explain when God told the Israelites to make graven images on the ark of the covenant? Or when Moses was to to make a snake statue?

@bikesrcool_1958

Ай бұрын

You can’t, you’re just a heretic. God have mercy on you.

I am a Protestant and enjoy watching your videos--and Trent's. The arguments are civil and well reasoned--but they leave out one important factor---HISTORY. The term "heresy" and "heretic" is used alot on yours and other Catholic channels without recognition or apology for the 10's of thousands--perhaps millions of people executed (burned at the stake, beheaded or killed in church-sanctioned wars). It seems to be lost on the producers of these channels--arguing against Protestants--just how many Protestants have been murdered through the centuries for disagreeing with the Catholic church you are so fond of. I'd like to see a video where a Catholic apologist addresses directly the multiple genocides the Catholic church has actively led against its detractors through the centuries.

@peteanddrake4242

2 жыл бұрын

@Eileen Belshaw not sure I understand your argument....

I’m from a Protestant background and I think it’s easier to understand this practice as a long-standing tradition of the Church that perhaps predates the biblical cannon as we know it as opposed to something that’s explicitly spelled out in scripture. Thanks

but they don't believe in saints. when i was a prot i didn't even know what the word meant

@illumoportetcresceremeaute887

2 жыл бұрын

But some do...like Anglicans. They're big into saints

@TheRoark

2 жыл бұрын

We believe in the concept of Christians being in heaven, just not canonized official saints specifically. Unfortunately this makes a lot of Protestants disconnected from our history as a part of the Church

@bazzy8376

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRoark That's really unfortunate. There is nobody more interesting than the saints. Not by a long long shot.

A Christian should only pray to God in the name of Christ. Any other prayers to someone else is vain and worthless.

@Mila-kz8tt

2 жыл бұрын

So 'Our Father' is void because it's not in the name of Christ ?

@JoshJ12

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mila-kz8tt Aren’t all humans dead and will be resurrected in the end of the times?

@Thurold

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshJ12 not really because whoever believes in Jesus will not die but have eternal life.

@JoshJ12

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thurold Correct, but out souls only joins Christ after the first call isn’t it?

@illumoportetcresceremeaute887

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshJ12 When did Jesus say the penitent thief (Saint Dismas) would join him in heaven? Was it after 'the first call'? BTW, there is no rapture prior to the Day of Judgement, that's a product of poor exegesis.

Could it be ancient and incorrect like how being a polytheist

@bman5257

2 жыл бұрын

No

@dedalesigma6755

2 жыл бұрын

The issue is that of authority. If you want to "Correct" tradion, without being part of the mechanism of tradition, you better prove you are speaking in the name of God and deliver some miracles. If you don't do miracles, you are just some forgettable weirdo who happens to read the Bible differently, that is to say an heretic.

I like to take the approach of the Augsburg (Lutheran) Reformers. We do not deny that the Saints indeed pray for us and that when we gather around the altar and participate in the Eucharist, as we say in the Proper Preface of the Liturgy of the Sacrament, we commune with all the company of heaven. We do not even deny that we indeed pray for the dead. What lacks is we have no example of scripture to pray to the Saints no apostle or prophet gives us an example for us to pray to them. Roman prayers usually are not just simply asking the Saints to pray for us but rather they turn into asking them to do things for us that rightfully belong to Christ alone.

@INRIVivatChristusRex

2 жыл бұрын

You are missing the point. Saints in heaven are perfectly united to Christ. As a member of the mystical body of Christ, if you pray to a saint you are praying to Our Lord Jesus Christ. Worship, Worship, Worship is only due to God alone. You can pray to a myriad of Saints that have gone before us asking for their intercession, so Our Lord Jesus Christ will grant your request (if is align with His perfect plan of Salvation). It is not the Saints in heaven that grant the request. It is Jesus Christ. It baffles me, why is so hard to understand the Communion of Saints? God bless. Pray the Rosary.

@halo0360

2 жыл бұрын

@@INRIVivatChristusRex it’s really as simple as this. No where in Scripture has anyone given us an explicit command or even an example to pray to Saints. And yes, the communion of Saints simply means that through our mystical Union with Christ, through his death and resurrection, we are joined with all in heaven. Not trying to be ugly either, just explaining what I think is a more moderate view.

@grzesiekzdomeyko9707

2 жыл бұрын

@@INRIVivatChristusRex "if you pray to a saint you are praying to Our Lord Jesus Christ" - And who thought like that in the ancient Church?

@grzesiekzdomeyko9707

2 жыл бұрын

@@halo0360 Nowhere in Scriptures and nowhere until 3rd century AD there's an example of praying to saints.

@stafh8931

2 жыл бұрын

@@grzesiekzdomeyko9707 and no where until the 15th century does any major group of people think that christ isn't literally present in the Eucharistic. You don't believe in prayer to the Saints because it's 1700 years old but believe in christ not being literally present in the Eucharist even though it's only a 500 year old tradition. Do you not see the contradiction in the argument?

James whites gonna go nuts watching this

@bman5257

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine Capturing Christianity becomes a Catholic apologetics channel. Reformed dudes would be really triggered.

@jonathansoko5368

2 жыл бұрын

@@bman5257 if cam is honest and really on search of truth, he's gonna half to come home. If not then I free there's something else going on there. I will be optimistic, my guess is within the year. Boone that's honestly after christ can resisted coming home!

@bazzy8376

2 жыл бұрын

then let's do it twice.

No. Scripturally, the saints are all believers. Thus, the prayers of the saints are the prayers of all believers. If you’re a believer, you’re a saint in the biblical sense. Only God is worthy of worship. Through Jesus we have direct access to the Father.

@jakeburke838

2 жыл бұрын

Worship and prayer are two different things. Worship = sacrifice. Prayer = pleading. Read the Mosaic law and the difference is clear

@carolusaugustussanctorum

2 жыл бұрын

Yes: Saints are people that followed Jesus, and -as promised by Him- made into the eternal Kingdom of God; therefore, asking them to pray for you is an amazing idea, by their prayers being “Powerful and effective”*. *James 5:16

@michaelibach9063

2 жыл бұрын

Scripturally, you are full of crap

@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelibach9063 Love thy neighbor, please.

Why did you reference the tulmud, do you know the blasphemous versus in it. It says our lord Jesus is in hell boiling in human excrement. Citing that book only discredits your argument.

@masterchief8179

2 жыл бұрын

He is showing one ancient tradition coming from old Judaism. Truth is that WE are their only heirs, not the post-advent Jews, who were the heirs of those who rejected Christ (Pharisees, Sadducees, etc). Still we can - and scholarly we must - do a competent radiography on Jewish literature so as to find the practices and context of what a first century Christian would understand of some words from Scripture, for example. Dr John Bergsma and Dr Brant Pitre are two of the ones doing it to make a case for a correct interpretation of words/ideas in that time.

@DensityMatrix1

2 жыл бұрын

The very act of argumentation about intellectual ideas from a text is itself Jewish. The endless wordsmithing... Imagine thinking, God the FATHER does not want his children to commune with one another in various ways AND then spending 500 years debating it endlessly rather than basking in our shared knowledge of TRIUMPH OVER DEATH.

No one should pray to someone unable to listen, there is only one who listen prayers, the one who resurrected Jesus is the one who listen prayers Acts 5:3 Acts 3:13 Galatians 1:1

@jakeburke838

2 жыл бұрын

All these objections are addressed in the video

@johnf587

2 жыл бұрын

@@jakeburke838 the main reason people pray to saint is because they don't understand the one who listen is Jehovah so people pray to everything but not to the one who listens prayers, it is pretty sad but that's how it is and why the world is like this.

@whoputyouontheplanet3345

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnf587 You do understand, that the Rosary is an entire devotion to Christ and the gospels right?

@jakeburke838

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnf587 the Bible tells us to pray to the saints.

@johnf587

2 жыл бұрын

@@jakeburke838 Jesus told everyone to pray to Jehovah his God and Father, but how are you guys going to pray to him if dont even believe he Exist?

Viewers. Christians should not pray to any saint/s incl mary. Catholics dont read the bible. Jesus said, PRAY TO THE FATHER IN MY NAME. So catholics dont obey jesus. Only god can hear the prayers of more thn 1 person at the same time. Even mary cannot hear prayers of more thn 1 person. Shes a human n not god. So all the rosary prayers are in vain. Read your bible. It Is the WORD OF GOD

@TristenTaylorMD

2 жыл бұрын

Hey what was Matt Fradd's strongest argument for praying for saints in this video?

@illumoportetcresceremeaute887

2 жыл бұрын

@@TristenTaylorMD tldw 😆

@michaelharrington6698

2 жыл бұрын

The "Our Father" prayer is missing the world "only" in regards to what person of the trinity to pray to. Do you pray to Jesus?

@limoncellosmith7594

2 жыл бұрын

You have grave misconceptions of Catholicism. You are simply repeating lies you have learned from others. You have not done the work of Investigating the Catholic Church for yourself. You have been told this, so now it is on you to actually learn the truth. The truth will set you free. Get The Catechism of the Catholic Church and begin to read. All your misconceptions will disappear. Because they are not true.

@catholickirby

2 жыл бұрын

It's a pretty grave sweeping generalization to say Catholics don't read the Bible. We do. In fact, the Bible is read at every Mass, which practicing Catholics are obliged to attend every week. It's not clear where you're getting this arbitrary limit of "one prayer at a time" - it seems to neglect the nature of "time" in eternity, in heaven.

Jesus: There is only one mediator between God and Man, and that's me. Catholic Church: AND there is only one mediator between Man and Jesus! Mother Mary! ....oh, and the Saints.

@progidy7

2 жыл бұрын

@@mmeyerdc Me, a living and thinking consciousness? Yeah. That's not the same as being told by Jesus that he's the only mediator, then praying to dead people to pray for you to Jesus.

@illumoportetcresceremeaute887

2 жыл бұрын

@@progidy7 who was Jesus talking to at His transfiguration? Dead people (incapable of action)? Who was the woman that appeared in the heavens in the Apocalypse of John? A dead person? What about the white robed people who cry out 'how long O Lord...' in same? More dead people? What about when Jesus cries out from His Holy Cross the opening of Psalm 21 (22 for you)? Did the Jews who thought He was calling to Elias think He was praying to a dead person? I don't know about yours, but my Bible is full of accounts of dead people still acting in salvation history

@arkofthecovenant6235

2 жыл бұрын

Mary: My Son can you perform a miracle x y they ran out of wine( wine important in jewish weddings) Jesus: It’s not my time, and mom they didn’t ask me directly so no 😆

@illumoportetcresceremeaute887

2 жыл бұрын

@@arkofthecovenant6235 The story of the Wedding at Cana is only a few dozen words but, glory to God, it has endless depth. I'll just share one of my favorite examples: it is the only place in the Bible where the Blessed Virgin gives a directive. The only time she commands action. What action? "Do whatever He tells you." To which the Christian reply must be "yes ma'am"

@arkofthecovenant6235

2 жыл бұрын

@@illumoportetcresceremeaute887 Interesting info on your reponse✝️👍🏼