This only happens in M mode on the FPV 3 radio. It appears that when reconnecting to the radio the drone accepts whatever value the throttle is at as an input. Considering manual flight requires less than 50% throttle to hover if you just leave the throttle where it is when the drone reconnects it will take this as an input. I think there should be a condition on reconnection to override any throttle value until additional inputs are made by the pilot. Otherwise anytime you lose connection in manual you have to push the throttle past 50% in order to not run into this bug. Hopefully DJI changes this as when you lose signal, generally you have a lot running through your mind, and if you don't know you have to push the throttle up. Things will just get worse. I will update in due course depending on what the engineers at DJI say. I have sent DJI this video and the flight logs to look into and hopefully get this resolved quickly!

@tyg3rs716

2 ай бұрын

so this whole time its not an issue its operator error?

@OnelastgoTV

2 ай бұрын

Not true. Happens in sports too with MC.

@markus4979

2 ай бұрын

Wow thanks for thoroughly testing and sharing 🔥💪 funny such simple issue doesn't get spotted during pre release testing.😂

@Appalachianhillbilly24639

2 ай бұрын

Can I ask how you got my flight logs to send to DJI?

@Appalachianhillbilly24639

2 ай бұрын

Also I have video from the goggles 3 and the drone I put a post on Facebook side by side so you can see what happens

That’s great that thanks to a viewer who spotted the possible problem and that you’ve shown us the reason why it does it. I don’t know if it will do it with the motion controller but I will definitely look for it and when I get the RC controller 3 I will be very weary about watching for it. Hopefully DJI will come up with a solution to the problem and issue a firmware update soon to fix this issue because otherwise it’s a brilliant drone.

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

Hey David! This only happens with the FPV 3 control in manual mode. The MC is fine. Please see the pinned comment for more clarification as things have developed past the video 😃

@DavidReynolds-kr6yh

2 ай бұрын

@@JustinBainbridgeYT , that’s good to know, thanks for the info and I will definitely be careful with my throttle settings on return to home when I get the fpv controller. I’m glad you worked it out. And I’m sure that DJI will come out with an update that will fix it soon or at least let the consumers know about it as a precaution until they update the firmware. Great video again and good tips. Going with a few friends tomorrow morning to a nice area for flying and videoing so of course I’ll be taking mine with me to show them how well it works. I think at least one of them will probably get one soon. He’s already got his original on marketplace as have I.

Morning All I had a issue with my avata 2 yesterday I was flying and lost connection to the drone and I had the drone set to hover when I lost connection, the drone kept flying by itself until it cashed I hit the brake button and you can see this in the video and the drone still kept flying until it crashed!!!! DJI PLEASE FIX THE BUGS I have videos to show there is a bug in the avatar 2

The RC link seems to outperform the video link in my testing, its possible to lose video but still have RC control much like a regular DIY FPV drone. In this case it doesnt seem to failsafe which is potentially a problem if you are not used to this behaviour. If you ever lose video its wise to hit that pause button and gain height or hit return to home to prevent a flyaway situation. Great video 👍🏻

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

Hey Andy! Yeah, the RC link does tend to outperform the video link. When the video gets choppy, you can still punch out like we do on our freestyle rigs and regain signal. I'm more concerned about the failsafe behaviour when it loses signal completely. It looks like an easy fix to me. Hopefully, we'll hear back from DJI this week with an update. Also love watching your videos, man the Avata Speed tests had me chuckling 😅 the little bird can move, and she can do some half decent freestyle to be honest 💨

thanks for that big info! btw what camera are you using to shoot your talking heads? nice & very clear

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

No problem! I'm using the Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra for all my talking head sections paired with the DJI mic 😃

Great to know that can happen. Hopefully it gets an update to correct soon 👍😃👏🐾🐈‍⬛🍻

I wonder if the throttle down would make the drone decrease altitude when Returning to home. I can see that when you reconnect to the drone, it is pointing downwards. Did you reproduce the same issue with the motion controller or with a controller which throttle resets to middle point when released? 🤔

@juliansjames

2 ай бұрын

That's a very interesting thought. Definitely worth checking.

Thank you a lot for your job! @DJI must fix it ASAP

Try to raise the throttle up when you do that

Maybe the reason is that your left stick is in the "down" position? Even the Avata is in RTH, left stick still works

@JustinBainbridgeYT

15 күн бұрын

@everestfilms5866 Hey! Yep you're right here however there are some issues with this in the auto RTH sequence. To give you some more info for context - When doing a manually triggered RTH in manual mode, if the stick is below 50% at the time of the trigger, then the drone will not reduce altitude. You can also move the stick down from here with no change in the drones' behaviour. Only if you push the stick up past the midpoint, do you gain altitude control again and can increase/decrease height. So it appears that there are already measures in place for this, but I think a similar system should be used for failsafe because it's possible to recover signal on the radio without video feed coming back, ive had this happen several times. When this happens the drone just accepts whatever position the throttle is as an input without the same safety measures. This is problematic because with the goggles on and no feed you could have no idea that the drone is descending and you wouldn't know exactly where the stick position is. Sure you could just push the throttle all the way up after you loose signal, but you would have to know to do that. A lot of people would just freeze and trust the drone is heading back. This is why I believe there should be a similar measure put into the failsafe logic. That would prevent this from happening and save many drones. Automated return to home should be completely automated...it's in the name, you shouldn't have to think about doing extra steps to make it work properly. There should be a fix for this to give the same behaviour where the stick has to go back above 50% to regain altitude control in the failsafe rth logic. 🤞

How about Avata1 is this also happening.. 😮 can't try sine i am too busy this month

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

Not sure on this to be honest. I don't have an Avata 1 here to test 😃

also i would be happy if you shown how much it goes down is it to a point where it could crash before reached homepoint etc?

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

It just descends at a constant rate depending on where the throttle was on reconnection. DJI are fixing this issue and I will do an update once it all sorted 😃

@user-ws1me1be1w

2 ай бұрын

@@JustinBainbridgeYT wow if update is coming its amazing news thanks

So workaround is reconnect with the throttle stick centered? What if you reconnect with the stick to the top? Does it increase altitude? Maybe it just listens to the throttle input while RTH?

@erlandfpv

2 ай бұрын

Dji fpv, and avata 1 have that behavior too, and its normal, once RTH hits, as long the stick command its centre, it will not descend alt.

@FilipRadelic

2 ай бұрын

@@erlandfpv exactly, everything working as expected, but KZreadrs will always find a way to make videos out of nothing 😄

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

Hey, this is a workaround yes, however there is a measure in place for a manual RTH limiting control of altitude until the user inputs more control inputs (if your throttle is low when activated the drone will not react to this input. You have to raise the throttle back above the midpoint to regain altitude control during the RTH whereas this appears to be missing on a signal loss action. This is potentially fatal to the drone if you recover radio signal with an unknowingly low throttle position and not video. You're then are unaware that the drone is descending. I have reccomended a similar precaution to be applied to a signal loss situation to fix this bug and to prevent this from happening. I'll update everyone with a new video once I get a final answer from DJI, they are looking into it this week. Hopwfully I can update you soon

My Avata 2 drone lost signal with the goggles and landed on its own without RTH kicking in. I had a total loss of signal to the goggles. The drone was about 1 mile away from me when it lost contact with the goggles. I had to start walking towards where I lost the drone, praying it was findable. When I got about 1/2 mile from the drone, it reconnected to the goggles and I flew it to where I was standing. There were storms coming too, but at the time, it wasn't raining. Is there any connection to the storms and clouds in the area to my losing TOTAL signal to the drone? It did not RTH and that is dangerous.

@JustinBainbridgeYT

Ай бұрын

Gald to hear you regained connection and ws able to retrieve the drone! Was the Loss of signal action definitely set to RTH? There is a delay between losing connection and Failsafe action kickin in. It's been as low as 2 seconds and as much as 7 seconds during my testing. So there a chance the drone will crash before RTH can kick in. Eletrical storms can effect these things, same with a high KP index.

Dude did you loosen the spring for flying acro? if so you probably didn't have your throttle stick mid way when it reconnected.

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

Hey! Yep this is exactly correct. However on a manually activated rth even if the throttle is left low, the drone maintains the rth altitude. It'll only start to change altitude if you raise the throttle back past half way and then pull it down again. I think this is what the need to implement on failsafe reconnection 😃

Does the Avata 2 need a phone to use? Or is the software, etc in the goggles 3 ?

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

Nope, all the software is handled by the goggles now. There is no need to connect the phone on the Avata 2 during flight

Hey, i am stuck to select a language and the back button does not work. Any ideas. I updated the app but still does not work.

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

Hey, sounds like you might have a fuaulty unit. I would reccomend gettin in touch with DJI customer support and they should be able to help you get this sorted. 😃

Hey Justin, thank your for testing this!!! I just posted your video on the official DJI board! I hope the admins forward this directly to their technical support.

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

You're welcome. I have also already forwarded this to DJI and sent them the relevant flight logs. They are looking into it and will update me with their findings.

Does this happen only on M mode? Does it also happen with MC3?

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

It's come to light this only happens in my mode with the RC3

Would this issue still occur with the motion controller or is it only with the fpv remote? 🤔 Just about to buy the fly more combo. 🤞

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

Haven't seen the same thing with the motion controller

@TDH_1962

2 ай бұрын

You can't fly in manual with the motion controller

@nickpmtb5629

2 ай бұрын

@@TDH_1962 I know, but is imagine you'd still want the RTH to work properly whichever controller you're using when you lose connection. 🤔

@TDH_1962

2 ай бұрын

@@nickpmtb5629 No doubt, but from I understand from this video, the issue occurred only in manual. So RTH does work with the motion controller. Hopefully DJI will address the RTH with the FPV remote and get this fixed

Actually, is the avata descending during RTH simply due to throttle stick position in manual mode?

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

Yes, however there is a measure in place for a manual RTH limiting control of altitude until the user inputs more control inputs, whereas this appears to be missing on a signal loss action. This is potentially fatal to the drone if you recover radio signal with a low throttle position and not video. You're then are unaware that the drone is descending. I have reccomended a similar precaution to be applied to a signal loss situation to fix this bug and to prevent this from happening. I'll update everyone with a new video once I get a final answer from DJI, they are looking into it this week. Hopwfully I can update you soon 😃

@markus4979

2 ай бұрын

​@@JustinBainbridgeYTbut the RTH limiting control gets overridden when sticks are pressed below center even without signal loss right? (Like other modes and drones) Thus it sounds more like feature requests which is very reasonable as it's more likely to be at risk when flying manual mode (with sticks without springs).🔥❤️ It looks like it's a consistent approach to how it would behave in non manual mode when pressing sticks down. So best thing for now is probably either after signal loss always pull up (if known safe to do so) or put sticks into middle position.🔥👍

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

@markus4979 Almost, if you trigger a manual RTH in manual mode and the throttle is below 50% the drone will not respond. You can move it down to the bottom and it still won't descend. You have to push the throttle up past the centre point in order to regain control of altitude again. I think the same should be applied to auto rth. Manual rth is more automated than auto rth 😅 which doesn't make sense to me. They're looking into it at the moment so either way, we'll either get that same system on auto rth or we will have to push the stick up on signal loss. Depends on what they do. But at least more people will be aware of what to do in the future 😃

The drone is doing what it is supposed to do. You have throttle down, so it is going down. Remember RTH and Brake trigger Normal mode. In Normal mode throttle down is alt decrease

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

True, but when you trigger a manual rth, the throttle position is ignored until it is pushed past 50% to allow for a low stick in manual mode. But for some reason, this doesn't happen during an automated RTH when it's possible to lose video but still have radio control. I suggested this to be added to the failsafe auto rth as well. In my eyes, an automated procedure shouldn't require additional input from the user. Especially when there are already measures in place for the manually triggered scenario.

btw why connection quality drops that muich in just 386 meters f its so bad

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

Lots of signal congestion in this area. But yeah the Avata 2 doesn't seem to have as good connection as my other O3 quads in the same area.

@user-ws1me1be1w

2 ай бұрын

@@JustinBainbridgeYT well thats sad because of 4k and better aerodynamics of avata 2 i cant go back to avata 1 😢

Ahh... Okay, so this is only when using the RC3 with the spring defeated on the left stick? As you know, the control signal is always stronger than the video feed. In fact, you'll often lose video but retain control. That applies to all drones, for the most part. When I lose video signal with a standard FPV, my typical reaction is to "punch out" to gain altitude. If I'm not mistaken, it's a "feature" of all DJI drones that you can alter both the altitude and speed of the drone during RTH. If that is the case, there won't be a firmware update to "fix" this, as it's considered to be a feature. BTW, it's a good feature to have if you realize that your current RTH altitude will run you into something, and either raising or lowering your altitude will save your drone. I'm just saying. During RTH, the best practice will be to return your left stick to the neutral position. I appreciate your diligence in this matter. I believe we've all learned/relearned something important. Thanks. Edit- hmm... having the drone ignore your current stick position during an automated RTH is an interesting idea. I'll hit up my contacts as well.

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

Yep same for me, with normal FPV i'd just punch out and then gopefully regain video. I do agree with being able to alter the altitude manually during RTH to avoid any potential obstacles. But yeah if you no a manual RTH the drone will maintain the RTH height regardless of the throttle position when the RTH was activated, you have to move the stick up and down to be able to then alter altitude. I think this should be the same for an automated rth. The drone should default to a neutral stick value until it notices the throttle position move. Rather than just taking the position on reconnecting as being a conscious input. Thanks for passing on the message too mate 👍

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

Just wanted to give you some more information. When doing a manually triggered RTH in manual mode, if the stick is below 50% at the time of the trigger, then the drone will not reduce altitude. You can also move the stick down from here with no change in the drones' behaviour. Only if you push the stick up past the midpoint, do you gain altitude control again and can increase/decrease height. So it appears that there are already measures in place for this, but I think a similar system should be used for Failsafe. Anyway, see what comes of it in the coming days.

@londenard

2 ай бұрын

@@JustinBainbridgeYT Funny, that was my contact's response and I had to clarify that it was in AUTOMATED RTH scenarios. He's gonna look at it this week. I honestly think you're on to something.

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

@@londenard haha that's good to know. At least I'm not losing my mind. Yep, Automated RTH should be automated, you shouldn't have to think about extra steps to make it work properly...

Gonna comment the same thing I did on DJI forums: Is this some kind of a troll video or do you not realise your throttle is below mid and therefore in N mode that makes it go down? You can clearly see it at 3:35 ...

@AlSo-Fotografie

2 ай бұрын

Hey Filip, thanks for realising that. Maybe he didn't notice it like I did? I think he doesn't want to troll anyone😉

@FilipRadelic

2 ай бұрын

@@AlSo-Fotografie I don't know how someone can edit that video, putting the controller in there in PiP and not realise it 😄 As someone with 9k+ subscribers he should have a sense of responsibility for posting stuff like this without basic research.

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

Hey there. I guess you haven't seen any of the previous videos of testing. I have already tested lowering the throttle on RTH, and it has no effect as it shouldn't. This is not a troll, this is a serious issue that has already resulted in someone's drone having gone down. Please see the other videos to get up to speed.

@AlSo-Fotografie

2 ай бұрын

@@JustinBainbridgeYT Thanks Justin for clarifying this. I was sure you was right.

@FilipRadelic

2 ай бұрын

@@JustinBainbridgeYT I have watched the video and second time you do it your throttle seems slightly higher and it looks like the drone descends a bit slower. So again, I don't see the issue here?

Dude good job! Nice to find such failures before anyone does..

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

No problem, just trying to make sure that things like this get fixed so we can fly with peace of mind 😃

2 ай бұрын

@@JustinBainbridgeYT can you do some flights showing that footage is similar to Air models?

thanks for sharing this video. can you also check if the tilt gate issue exist in your unit. I have several instances when my Avata 2 hits wind a crosswind it tilts and I can’t seem to recover the horizon. Drone RC Camps posted this issue as well.

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

You're welcome, this just sounds like the drone is tilted into the wind to try and hold position. The Avata 2 doesn't have a 3 axis gimbal so if the drone tilts then the camera also tilts. It'll only come back to level once you're out of the wind and the drone can fly in a level orientation whilst maintaining position. This is how we get those nice swooping shots we all love from FPV.

@hbl_channel

2 ай бұрын

@@JustinBainbridgeYT make sense. By the way, I saw your video for your rates. Will try to copy and fly my Avata 2. Will keep you posted.

Nice catch.

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

Thanks haha

Does the rth feature work in manual mode?

@JustinBainbridgeYT

23 күн бұрын

Normal RTH yes. Low battery RTH no. If you lose signal and auto rth is triggered make sure you push your throttle stick up or you'll get the big when it reconnects. This still hasn't been fixed

@betaompay38

23 күн бұрын

@@JustinBainbridgeYT 😱 have you tried this on the latest firmware now?

@JustinBainbridgeYT

22 күн бұрын

@betaompay38 yep, still the same. Hoping for it to be fixed in the next firmware update

@betaompay38

22 күн бұрын

@@JustinBainbridgeYT thank you so much 🙏🏽

Great effort 😊

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

No problem! Happy to help us all have a safer product 😃

Great finding!

this issue isn't fixed yet?

@JustinBainbridgeYT

10 күн бұрын

@GoldFus1on nope, still waiting on the next firmware update for the fix 🙄

@GoldFus1on

9 күн бұрын

@@JustinBainbridgeYT I’ll have to wait to buy the controller till it’s fixed then

Hi Justin, same problem here, I did a video , kzread.info/dash/bejne/hXus2deuqd2enNI.html I did some tests with a friend of mine with another Avata2, so we tried both in manual and in N/Sport mode, the RTH low battery with the use of the RC3 never works!! With motion controller 2 works fine, battery at 25% "low battery RTH" starts and workd fine. With DJI FPV RC2 no... it doesn't work either in "N" or in "S" or in "MANUAL" We have the 1st low battery warning at 25% but the RTH procedure does not start... in fact when the battery reached 5% the drone auto landed alone, (failsafe RTH set at 50 meters altitude) we did a further test , by turning off the RC3 the RTH works, by turning off the glasses the RTH works, by Motion controller works, but with RC2 only warnings, the RTH never starts...

@JustinBainbridgeYT

Ай бұрын

It seems some of the low battery logic is different depending on modes and controller. However I did find that auto low battery RTH did work in normal and sport mode when using the FPV3 radio. At 25% there should be a warning that the RTH will trigger in 15 seconds (normal and sport mode). Reduced throttle output at 18% and auto land at 7% from my testing.

You were paid by DJI dude 😅

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

I wish, maybe I wouldn't still be broke then 😂 Just trying to get a problem solved and make the product better for the community

That's not good. dji needs to fix this 👍

The wobble drone. Over priced Plastic!

@cryptoplanet177

2 ай бұрын

Are the other drones made of adamantium or what???

Enjoyed your review. Love my A2. What part of the world are you in? Subscribed 👍

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

Thank you! I'm in Ubud, Bali. Got lots of cool locations coming up in future videos 😁

@kenkeng5824

2 ай бұрын

@@JustinBainbridgeYT looked more tropical than the Caribbean . Great place for drone flights.

@Appalachianhillbilly24639

2 ай бұрын

I live in USA on east cost but I also live in thailand when I not live in USA

@kenkeng5824

2 ай бұрын

@@Appalachianhillbilly24639 You have the best of both worlds- great Appalachian Mountains- then tropical beauty of Thailand. I pay 1000’s for VRBO cabins in No Ga and NC. Fly safe!!

This DJI Avatar 2 has more than just a few problems I sold my Avata and have been flying a lot on the 2 now . One thing I've noticed when in head tracking mode the A2 likes to twitch quite a bit, can't find anywhere where you can format the SD card in the drone or the goggles, this A2 also likes to do its own improvised unstable flying around if you just let go of the controls and I'm not talking manual mode either. I'm also having problems with the downloading of pictures onto my phone it shows the full length of grey screen and a preview picture but I cannot view it I would think it was my phone but when I first got it at work fine now it stopped working. Bunch of little bugs that will drive you crazy surely they will repair these in a future firmware update. Just a longer flight time and improve camera made it worth the swap

@JustinBainbridgeYT

2 ай бұрын

Damn seems like you're having some issues! You chould be able to format the SD cards for both in the goggles settings, Camera, Format should be an option 3 from the bottom. Click on that then you can format the different storage locations. Both devices need to be powered on. 😃

@nitro200flyer3

2 ай бұрын

@@JustinBainbridgeYT okay at the risk of sounding completely off my rocker I just looked on the menu and there it was. But I swear to you I could not find that on the menu and I'm used to the Avata 1 that had the SD card formatting for all 3 locations in the same menu location . Anyways after I rebooted it and downloaded all the firmware again using my PC because my Android phone was acting weird trying to initialize it so I think something went wrong.. anyways everything is working fine better than fine and it seems like I have full range way more than I'll ever need the twitching during head tracking has also been repaired. Thank you very much for getting back to me.

@Appalachianhillbilly24639

2 ай бұрын

I was flying in sport mode