If Count Chocula says don't use it.......good enough for me!!

@BoomaOhDet

8 ай бұрын

Lmao…dude does have the weirdest voice.

@briantrue4483

2 ай бұрын

@@BoomaOhDet Reminds me of the boy who sings the song "Chocolate rain" lol

The raccoon invasion was an unexpected twist!!! I am really enjoying your videos even though I live in a condo.

I used the asphalt tape, and was lazy not getting around to putting the boards (Trex) on for another three weeks. It's just tape, the glue gets absorbed into the wood and what you have is a poly film "floating" on the joists. It does not really stick that well after a few days unless you stretched it out like a car wrap (if you used new wood with a higher moisture content, both tape types WILL bubble without constant pressure.) If you stick it to a finished surface it will stain and dis-color, but so do butyl tapes. IMO the best thing is to apply an oil based sealer to the lumber before you install. I tried this planning to re-use some of my old decks studs with a gallon of mis-tinted sealer for 5 bucks and it was by far the BEST and cheapest solution. Watching taped (butyl and asphalt) and oil stained boards all interact with a few rains and hot sunny days made it pretty clear to me. The deck frame itself looked like a patched quilt with the project leftovers from friends plus what I bought new, but it's all covered in the end. I think you can use the asphalt tape and and the video thumbnail is very misleading, the butyl stuff is better, but in hindsight I would have skipped all of it and just used the wood sealer. YMMV

Well done well planned out good use of space fantastic work I’m finding it hard to believe it’s DIY you have more experience than you let on I’m using the azek deck right now And it’s a pain in the butt temperature variance fastener problems the cost the hidden fasteners are expensive the screws and clips are now special order everything is pneumatic but well done very nice can’t wait to see the finished product

@DIYable

4 жыл бұрын

What kind of problem are you having? The Azek boards do expand and contact, but if you or your contractor used the right fasteners and/or screws, there shouldn't be any issue. Yes, those are expensive I have to agree but I didn't use pneumatic one. This is the 2nd winter my deck has been going through the harsh Canadian winter, I don't really have any problems. The only thing I see is the miter joins on the corners, they have a huge gap but that is expected, in summer time that gap will become very small.

@bradeley6409

2 жыл бұрын

Where do you learn how to write? Wow!

Nice work.

Great video, people keep giving you crap about the voice over, but I like that it's different from everyone else.

@DIYable

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for support!!! I am trying to improve and still learning. I believe the new videos sound a lot better, they are still voice over. LoL

They make 3 different types of joist tape all with different "self sealing" adhesives the cheapest of them being modified bitumen/rubberized asphalt. There are also butyl adhesive backed joist flashing tapes and lastly acrylic adhesive backed tapes. I use trex butyl backed joist tape for cellular PVC decking and the rubberized asphalt for every other decking type (cedar, redwood, green treat and PWC. Awesome job on the deck though.

I didn’t know Count Dracula had such DIY skills.

@GardenRetriever

3 жыл бұрын

Classic!

@Daisy-wy5mn

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

For the fascia part, you can totally install it with construction glue and screws. BUT you have to bead individual 45 degrees glue lines so the water or humidity that may build up flows and drips down. Even when screwing there will be a micro gap caused by the glue material. Also, make sure you don't put screws too close to each other unless they are installed above or below.

@DIYable

2 жыл бұрын

Very good point indeed... thanks for tips.

excelente vídeo!

@DIYable

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Hope it helps!

The Wolf decking installation manual recommends joist tape. I would say that means it won't void the warranty

How do you even clean under the deck?

In Australia we have a product called Vapourseal. It's compatible with PVC.

I’m using Timbertech tape in order to save the old joists-especially the doubled ones. It’s self sealing and sticks voraciously.

The bridge between the deck next to the house and the island deck looks pretty but looks like a tripping hazard to me being not flush with the two main areas. Since you had it for one year, did anybody trip on it?

@DIYable

3 жыл бұрын

No tripping so far, but that's very good point, if tripping hazard is the concern... it is not a bad idea to build the bridge flush with the 2 decks

Just pulled apart the neighbors 15 yesr old trex deck and the joists were really mushy rotten, I'd still try to find something compatible.

@DIYable

4 жыл бұрын

Trex is fine with this product, Trex is composite. But Azek is PVC.

G-Tape is and works great.

@WebbedPete

3 жыл бұрын

Just use a non asphalt tape. Many are Acrylic instead.

Which recessed lights are you using? Great project

@DIYable

2 жыл бұрын

Are you referring to the deck lights? If yes, there is a video I have talked about that... kzread.info/dash/bejne/k42OxdGlYZXbgMY.html But to be honest with you, that brand isn't that good in terms of quality, they die from time to time.

where did you buy that wire mess under the deck? Thanks

@DIYable

3 жыл бұрын

Got it from Canadian Tire if you are in Canada. You can use metal chicken wire that can be found in any local hardware store, that is even stronger. www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/select-plastic-hardware-cloth-3x15-ft-0591847p.html

At 4:00 into the video, you mention 4 reasons that cause rot. One major reason is deck board fasteners that drill down into the joists. The damaged capillaries in the wood of the joist wick water down into the screw hole and elsewhere into the wood. You want to keep water out of all those screw holes. That is really what joist tape is all about, keeping water out of those holes. You will see joist tape advertised as being self-sealing. That is important. You want to buy tape that seals around the holes that the screws put into the tape. The joist tape is also good for putting a membrane between AC2 wood and galvanized metal plate connectors, like Simpson Strong-Tie. AC2 wood is supposed to be more corrosive on deck fasteners compared to the previous pressure treated wood, ACQ.

I think the warning about this product was misinterpreted. It states don't use this product on soft wood or flexible PVC. There are two key words here "on" and "flexible." It should NOT be used ON FLEXIBLE PVC. The reason for this is the adherence of the product won't work very well. It needs to be used ON a rigid surface such as pressure treated floor joists. The adhesion side of the tape is warning NOT to put it on a FLEXIBLE PVC base. The other side of the tape which has no adhesive property will be ok with all types of decking material.

@DIYable

4 жыл бұрын

I totally understand what you meant, I had exact the same question too. But the risk is way too big for me and for many the DIYers, that's why I emailed Azek customer support on the warranty. The potential problem is that, if 2 chemicals are incompatible and they are only being separated by the vinyl backing (no adhesive), that's still a risk when that layer breaks down. If we can totally avoid asphalt/bitumen based product on Azek, we should do that. As some of the other comments mentioned already, Timbertech PRO-Tac (bought Azek) has the Butyl based product, it maybe a better choice.

@livens100

2 жыл бұрын

@@DIYable If you use G-Tape™ you won't have any concerns about material incompatibility. Plus G-Tape™ is much easier to apply and adheres around the edge of the joists. Many of the other joist tapes out there will lift up especially in hot weather.

TimberTech (i.e. AZEK Building Products) now offers a joist tape product PRO-Tac which is made with butyl with a PET liner and TPO backing. Your video seems to be concerned about asphalt/bitumen based products but in addition to PRO-Tac there are other butyl products such as Trex Protect and Imus Seal, the latter claims to be compatible with a wide variety of deck boards from real wood to composites and PVC.

@DIYable

4 жыл бұрын

Good to know TimberTech has Pro-Tac product!! Thanks! But to me, I would use it if TimberTech puts it in writing that Azek boards will be under warranty if Pro-Tac causes the any problems.

good information.Why are you changing your voice ?

Great advice and videos... But what's with the voice over?

@DIYable

4 жыл бұрын

Glad u like it... voice over is good IMO. lol

I am no expert, but it seems like butyl based tapes (eg imus seal) may be ok. These do not have the bitumen content in the product you show. Nonetheless, great video, and great tips on ventilation.

@DIYable

5 жыл бұрын

Glad it helps!! :)

For people who want further clarification on the Azek official email replied in the video, Quote "The warranty will not be voided but may be nullified if an issue is in direct result of the use of the tape product" end quote. This means if there are some manufacturer defects, for example color fading or staining, it is still under warranty even you have joist tape installed. However, if your deck boards becomes brittle and having signs of cracks, then you file the claim. After they send someone to investigate and confirm it's joist tape causing the issue, warranty is not covered.

@pdegregorio

4 жыл бұрын

TimberTech (i.e. AZEK Building Products) now offers a joist tape product PRO-Tac which is made with butyl with a PET liner and TPO backing. Your video seems to be concerned about asphalt/bitumen based products but in addition to PRO-Tac there are other butyl products such as Trex Protect and Imus Seal, the latter claims to be compatible with a wide variety of deck boards from real wood to composites and PVC.

@DIYable

4 жыл бұрын

@@pdegregorio Good to know TimberTech has Pro-Tac product!! Thanks! But to me, I would use it if TimberTech puts it in writing that Azek boards will be under warranty if Pro-Tac causes the any problems. Absolutely good to know, here is the Timbertech link for people who are interested. www.timbertech.com/product/pro-tac-flashing-and-joist-tape/

Maybe you could've used tyvek tape on joists, or the blue sill plate membrane (forget name). If worst came to worst I would at least paint the top of the joists...

@DIYable

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the suggestions. I don't know much about tyvek tape honestly speaking. Does it stick well to wood? Maybe I will buy one and try it out. I actually thought about painting the top of the joists too but ended up doing the ventilation method instead.

Voice sounds hilarious!

@DIYable

4 жыл бұрын

Must be Covid19 LOL

Nice work dude, but what's with the voice it's kind of funny. Sound a little like Mr. Rogers with an accent. lol... Where did you get the LED lights for the deck?

PVCs don't rot, so why would you use a joist tape?

@DIYable

5 жыл бұрын

PVC doesn't but the pressure treated wooded joist would rot...

I think you're reading too much into the instructions. Little of the adhesive would contact the PVC and it probably wouldn't affect it much anyway. It's a bigger deal with flashing vinyl windows where it may cause the adhesive to fail. I'm not sure why adhesive is needed at all except to make it a bit easier and to better seal the fastener penetrations. You could lay strips of any waterproof material over the joists. Once your fasteners are in and boards down, the joist covering isn't going anywhere.

@jjmbe

2 жыл бұрын

If you did not use adhesive backed tape capillary action would suck the water between the tape and the wood making just as bad as having not tape.

So, you made a video to say that the manufacturer's instructions NOT to use this on PVC are correct....eye roll....

@OsborneRenner

4 жыл бұрын

This video is great. I would have used butyl tape on my deck but now Will be using g tape.

@DIYable

4 жыл бұрын

Good point about butyl based tape!

You aren't applying the tape "directly to" the decking. It is applied to the joists. They don't want to give you the "sure, go ahead", they aren't crazy. There could be a problem, and be the result of bad deck tape and they would open themselves up to trouble. Now, a miracle, they sell one they will stand behind, of course.

@DIYable

4 жыл бұрын

That's correct, under normal conditional it may be fine. But certainly there are risks.

I like your posts but do something about the voice. It sucks.

@DIYable

4 жыл бұрын

Thank, glad you like it. Arrgg... blame it on the mic... lol

This is really bad advice. Please take more time to simply read your tape instructions in the future. In regards to using your tape with PVC, it clearly says you shouldn't use it *"directly on"* PVC. That does not apply to *beneath* deck boards as every deck builder knows. Your panic is unreasonable. Your advice to "DO NOT USE" is just wrong. These tapes are widely used with a proven track record if you had just taken the time to learn a bit before you attempt to teach. Of course Azek has no wish to warrant other manufacturer's products on big expensive decks. That is only natural and their response is not at all relevant as you said.

@triplelowman

Жыл бұрын

seriously, thanks for making me paranoid as I put it on joists under 5k of Trex.

Probably get 100x the views without the stupid sounding computer generated Count Choula voice.

Why do you use a computer generated voice quit being such a coward???????

I cannot even with this guys voice! f's sake.