What I like about SE is the handling. I'm a controller user and the handling lets me hit targets from greater distances with higher accuracy. It's a smooth experience with a 4pc striker with CM and Obliterate. I still love my Famas and F2000 though.

@ronaldstewart7586

Жыл бұрын

Same here. The attachments are really what makes SE shine. I wouldn't use it if it felt like a PM4 even if everything else remained.

My opinion!! Use what feels good to you!! Like I stated before, i never defeated the legendary missions like I have been doing since I started using the St. Elmos!! I never completed a legendary mission using a DPS build!! But since I started using the St Elmos I been competing them at least 3 out of 5 times!! I had used every gun and talent before and wasn't able to complete the missions!! Again, use what feels good to you and your play style!!

@anotherlostcause329

Жыл бұрын

Yes. That's why our world is wonderful with all the options. Nothing is perfect but accepting each flaw and adapting is what all agents should do. Fight well agent.

@erinmorales5097

Жыл бұрын

You said it best! I don't agree with any of these numbers AT ALL. I go to the lab and test these guns and talents myself and create my builds on what I see.

@Thing0ne

Жыл бұрын

yeah, numbers are fake news

@Thing0ne

Жыл бұрын

@@erinmorales5097 and confirmation bias is reality, am I right, I think so, so I am? wait what?

@erinmorales5097

Жыл бұрын

@@Thing0ne 😂😂😂

thank you very much, especially because you mentioned Fox's and Contractors, so easier to decide :)

Appreciate all your mind numbing calculations!

I like that you end the video somewhat angry in your tone of voice ^^ Great video.

Thanks bud,your the man.

so summary St Elmos shove into stash and leave there and go back and use a Famas with strained is what I got out of this

@DodRegnbue

Жыл бұрын

I would not go that far. But the Take away is quite simply, it is not OP, a Famas still beats it.

I don’t actually use coyotes, I use groupo ceska glass cannon. I tend to play from range so I lose damage most of the time. 59% CC 149% CD. But it just suits my style. Great job though

I am curious. In a build with striker. I like the aok options. So whats better for chest and mask spots? Uzina or belstone? So what it boils down to, 5% armor or 1% regen Opinions pls

How about the Savage Wolverine? When we get the close and personal procked there is no distance penalty, we can shoot across the map.

Which is the best specialization to use with these three build. Please, and thank you 🙏

what should my stat numbers be in order to get as accurate to the displayed numbers?

Dod me and a buddy of mine made it to like 32 last night in descent and I specifically unlocked the liquid engineer blueprint at the crafting station. He did not get a blueprint though. I’m thinking it’s a random thing that happens any floor after 30, and there isn’t a notification for it either, you just have to check the crafting station when you’re done. 100% true

@mauriciocastillo7302

Жыл бұрын

Interesting, when I got to loop 32 solo a few days ago, I also got a blueprint, albeit the Test Subject. However, when I got to 35, I didn't get one and I got less caches.

Im still a bit confused. I understand that pount for pound famas with a damage talent beats elmos but on the strikers set doesmt elmos attachments just allow it to win out.

Ive been running St. Elmo's (Dark Winter as secondary) with Striker set, Belstone chest & BP; Obliterate & Liquid Engineer, Gunner spec. 2 armor cores on Belstones, all crit chance/dmg as secondary attribs. Banshee/Reviver as skills, hate shields. Never die unless I do something stupid and I roll through Heroic content with 3 directives. To each his own I guess.

@ironman82tr

Жыл бұрын

Almost use the same build except my chest is fenris with obliterate 5 reds 1 blue. Absolutely slaps!!👍

Is there any point in running momento and 1 armour attribute?

I feel like damage per mag is a very overlooked stat. It can mean the difference between life and death in a lot of circumstances.

@DodRegnbue

Жыл бұрын

I would not go that far. I only look to Damage per Mag to ensure I actually have enough total damage to kill.

Nice of you to discuss sustained damage, and also assume that's mostly a matter of opinion with you and Raucey. And there are others like myself who would argue in favour of Sustained damage, which may be situational but will apply at least on bosses, multiple enemies, legendaries or augmented NPC's health in 4 player groups, or if you just need to roll some core tiers to armor for survivability. Demonstrating a single player heroic activity where 4 or 5 NPC's solo are killed is not a demonstration of sustained DPS not being useful. Now I can understand why a speedrunner like Raucey would disregard sustained DPS as he knows all spawn points and trains his strategies to kill NPC's as soon as possible but that is not your average player

Thank you for doing this Dod, Love your content! :D I just wanted to ask something. Is it fair to say that the reload speed bonus from fast hands just not good enough to outperform the damage bonuses of strained or optimist in general scenarios where we're up against enemies that die with one mag easily? I know you showed that fast hands increases the burst DPS by a very small amount compared to strained, does this mean that the strained talent kills the enemies so much faster that the faster reload speed from fast hands doesn't compare to it? I can't do damage calculations like you so sometimes when I see some comparison results, it can feel counter-intuitive to me. Also I wanted to ask, how would optimist compare in this scenario? would it be worse or better than strained(in burst DPS scenarios for FAMAS)

@KasperG87

Жыл бұрын

Imo burst should always be considered prio from this video. If you rely on s.dps, then look at the build or how you play it. It is more so an issue with the player than the weapon

@LordPeinSama.

Жыл бұрын

@@KasperG87 Yeah I always go for burst honestly, killing them before they get a chance to kill me is the formula I prefer to follow, that's why I put "in burst DPS scenarios" in brackets, that's all I want haha :D

@DodRegnbue

Жыл бұрын

As Kasper said, Burst should be your main priority. The main trick with Fast Hands, which people do not realise, if that a lot of End Game players and Speed Runner use Fast Hands because the builds they use are full on max damage. They have ensured that even with Fast Hands (not being a damage talent) they are able to one mag pretty much most enemies, except maybe Legendary Chungas and obviously Raid Bosses. They have enough Bursty DPS. By using Fast Hands, they are able to flick between enemies slightly faster which means they have a higher Uptime on the Burst DPS saving them a precious few seconds. IN my opinion, Fast Hands is not worth it on the General more Casual player base as it quite simply wont give you anything.

I don't like playing all red, especially solo and with directives. My Go-To Build is a blue Belstone chest with Obliterate, Named Belstone BP with Bloodsucker and blue core, rest red striker with Gunner, Eagle Bearer and Rock'n Roll. Is a very forgiving build and does enough damage in heroic. ;)

Would it ever make sense to compare what the maximum total dmg per mag be a viable worthwhile marker for weapons as well?

@DodRegnbue

Жыл бұрын

Not really, as that only shows your potential enemies killed per mag. The rate in which you can kill them is vastly more important

how is sustained DPS defined?

I run 4 piece all red striker w/ chest and backpack, 2 piece system corruption. Everything rolled to weapon handling and crit damage. Famas with Optimist and all accuracy mods. Gunner spec with shield and striker drone. Have fun.

Hay dod sorry for bugging you but have you do e a cavalier build yet???? If not could you???

@DodRegnbue

Жыл бұрын

I am in the process of testing, though, I believe it is bugged.

What's the plan with picaros holster with status effect?

@DodRegnbue

Жыл бұрын

Daamge CC build.

Hi, came back to this. Do you realize that on your very opening statement you are using sustained DPS as a comparison to Famas? Do you realize that by using any bullets above 50 on the mag you will get into sustained DPS comparison with the Famas?

@DodRegnbue

Жыл бұрын

If you reload while shooting the same target, yeah, Sustained DPS. If you reload to shoot Target 2 because Target 1 is dead. Burst. We use an EPS (Events Per Second) Equation. We do not just use these to track DPS in game, they are used to track light particles, for distance stars and planets, as well as the wave length of the light. This allows us to judge the distance of the stars. As you might imagine, we do not receive light from one star at a time. So they are calculated individually. IE Burst DPS. If we collected them all and equated it as EPSOT (Events Per Second Over Time) - Sustained DPS, we would be way off in the calculations. So, if you think you a better way to calculate it, then he should not be telling me, he should be telling NASA, LIGO, even Brain Waves are calculated using EPS and not EPSOT as it would give the wrong results.

@elfmz

Жыл бұрын

@@DodRegnbue don’t you understand that if you’re shooting NPCs past the 50 famas bullets you need to take reloads into consideration when comparing? You cleared the NPCs with close to 70 bullets that’s sustained DPS on Famas

@DodRegnbue

Жыл бұрын

​@@elfmz That is not how it works. Each individual adds Damage taken Calc always start with Burst. It is only if you reload on an add that is still alive when you enter sustain. This is how EPS Calcs work, it is how they have always worked, there is no iff ands or bnut on this. If you have been doing it a different way, then you have been doing it wrong.

I think striker is the best gearset for this gun

What about just running both ceska and grupo instead of coyote's mask for a 58% crit chance and 176% crit damage at all ranges with the crit SHD points.

@CHEF2077

Жыл бұрын

That‘s exactly what I‘ve been doing. Cant be asked to have to check all the time the stupid distance….it‘s just annoying

@DodRegnbue

Жыл бұрын

You can, and it is a VERY solid middle group.

Grupo negatively breaks the 2:1 CHD / CHC relationship that you get on attributes. It always feels like a wasted potential to go Grupo or CHD weapon mods over Ceska and CHC mods with CHD attributes. Obviously there exceptions with things like gear sets that provide crit chance etc

@Baya86

Жыл бұрын

There is no 2:1 rule. You always have to be at 60CHC or close to it. 50CHC/100CHD results in lower damage than 60CHC/90CHD.

@scoobs9768

Жыл бұрын

@@Baya86 what I mean is that an attribute will give 6% CHC or 12% CHD - that’s 2:1. But this is broken by 15% Grupo vs 10% Ceska. You’ll always get less out of Grupo overall unless you’re hitting the crit cap in other ways first. There does also seem to be a benefit from building 2:1 if you’re build isn’t focussed on crit and you can’t hit the cap. For example my headshot focused PVP build has higher DPS at 31%C / 69%D (2:2) than it does at 37%C / 57%D (1:5)

@DodRegnbue

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, there is no 2:1 Ratio. To show this is a rather blunt manner. You go 20 CHC and 40CHD. I'll got 60 CHC and 20 CHD. Guess who wins?

@scoobs9768

Жыл бұрын

@@DodRegnbue The 2:1 relation I was referring to is about the values you get from attributes and how Grupo breaks that against Ceska. For example, a build running Grupo at 60CHC and 105CHD could squeeze out a little more by changing CHC attributes to CHD and replacing Grupo with Ceska, totalling 58CHC and 114CHD. In terms of the overall 2:1 relationship topic, I may be wrong as obviously you’ve done a lot more thinking on this than I have. Maybe I’m seeing something that has more to it than I thought, or maybe there’s a sweet spot in the middle - but there are situations in testing where I find slightly higher DPS by reducing Crit chance in favour of Crit damage, but that only really happens when the values are close together and not close to cap

@virtualrain

Жыл бұрын

@@scoobs9768good point. So when adding CHC to a DPS build the most bang for your buck is from Ceska and then weapon mods? Most weapon mods are either 5% CHC or 5% CHD so if you can add CHC via weapon mods and CHD via gear mods, you’re further ahead.

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@KasperG87

Жыл бұрын

Stay safe on the autobahn

@Ekowitt

Жыл бұрын

@@KasperG87 best thing in Germany 🇩🇪💪✌️

Okay so St. Elmo’s got higher sustained dps than the famas even tho when tested it had a nerfed kit? Definitely my go to gun for countdown lol

@andrewmedeiros3318

Жыл бұрын

Ahh also didn’t have a damage talent on the famas tho

I only like police M4better than the famas in pvp

Yep I used it in the pts, personally I thought it was shit.

Why not fenris?

@scoobs9768

Жыл бұрын

Diminishing returns when paired with Striker. Crit brand sets provide more benefit. With every Striker stack you get, the less the Fenris bonus matters - but crit will always scale the same with each stack

@daynos

Жыл бұрын

@@scoobs9768 thanks

Im running 4 piece striker, Memento +fenris chest with obliderate, all Red I got 47%chc and 140%chd. It schreds😊

@DodRegnbue

Жыл бұрын

Just bare in mind that the Striker's Backpack is the most powerful piece and I personally would almost say it is a must.

@Baya86

Жыл бұрын

Take a Grupo or Czeska Chest and try to get your CHC close or to 60!

@Constantin1020

Жыл бұрын

@@DodRegnbue how much is the dps diference, is It Worth It over the survivibility of the memento? I online play Solo. Can I hold on to the fenris chest piece?

@DodRegnbue

Жыл бұрын

@@Constantin1020 The DPS difference is over 20%, and personally I would argue 1 Blue core and some Armour Regen is not helping survivability wise. If you are really wanting to push the survivability . . . . mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CzC0CZQZg0EZQAYkuW1HEC4qRshBADgXTM1SwFYE9YEQLzmsjoVSmuytwBOdgW7C0vAfngiRWOGzDhCkcMigA2UAHYBLZlOy6DlVUA 30% AOK, Potential for 40%. 1.1 mil armour , and still pretty high DPS.

@Constantin1020

Жыл бұрын

@@DodRegnbue wow, 20%, didn't realized that, I would defenetly give It a try, should I Stick to my fenris chest piece or Do you recomande something else? Ist Godroll with chc chd. I'm also thinking swaping the striker holster for picaro's? Thanks

Now play in a group and enemies have more healthpoints

@DodRegnbue

Жыл бұрын

And the only differnece that will make is rather than killing 5 adds per mag is I will kill 2.

@fountedakis

Жыл бұрын

@@DodRegnbue show, don't tell. Video footage or it didn't happen

@MedkitPush

Жыл бұрын

@@fountedakisbud, his four man and your four man are not the same. 😂

@fountedakis

Жыл бұрын

@@MedkitPush I know, I got to lift heavy to carry my team mates. No pain no gain

@LordPeinSama.

Жыл бұрын

@fountedakis I think your point is only valid if the weapon can't kill one enemy with a single mag. You seriously think a FAMAS can't kill most enemies with a single mag? (I said most, not all)

I was too far up my own arse to run striker before. It's just absolutely ridiculous. My preferred way is your "mix" build with preservation. The game was never easier. I've actually been accused of cheating (in PvE!) because of the million plus crits mowing everything down and preservation stacking over and over.

@DodRegnbue

Жыл бұрын

Yep, welcome to actually knowing what you are doing. Everytime I play with Randoms on Legendary, I get called a hacker, or a cheater. It is sad really. I also agree with Preservation on Strikers, or Future Perfect. Great Utility Talents.

I left the video soon as he said the police M4 is the worst AR...wow. And bro, its not about what's stronger. Its just simply having something different to play with. You and you kind take the fun out of the game...bro its a game, just a game....I hope you making alot of money on these videos. Lol

@DodRegnbue

Жыл бұрын

I never said that at all. See, this is the issue, people do not understand what is being said and then throw a hissy fit because they do not get it. Be better.

@gtk_NO

2 ай бұрын

This is silly. He stated worst sustained damage only. Having the facts about something doesnt take out the fun. It is a concept called knowledge. Scientists take the fun ouf of the world because knowledge is bad is your argument. Poppycock.

Never have been impressed with the SE myself. Soon as I got it and brought it to the range to test it on my strikers against my famas and my EB And was disappointed been in my stash ever since lol