The problem is US national politics has descended into identity over actually doing anything useful.

@clarkkent3335

11 күн бұрын

No. The problem is red diaper doper babies.

@gamervox1707

9 күн бұрын

This is the right(Republicans) and center-right(democrats) fault. Democrats only want basically little better for people and republicans do not care about people and want to have power over people without any reason at times.

@senpaihorse7695

9 күн бұрын

Context: Bc national politics has been bought by corporation

@izdatsumcp

7 күн бұрын

This has nothing to do with identity politics.

@Lightscribe225

4 күн бұрын

It kinds does, but only because it has been so inexorably tied into the bipartisan circus act that American politics has become. It has become some stereotype that if you support renewable energy, then you support the "LGBT agenda whatever" even if you have no opinion on it. It means that if you support LGBT but opposite gun control, you're a fence sitter and subject to ridicule for wanting compromise. It's ridiculous how polarizing both sides have become.

....guess which half of the state subsidizes the other.....

@TheWedabest

2 күн бұрын

Facts are never important when emotions are involved!

Just to let all non-Americans know, this seperation will never happen. The State of Jefferson movement in CA has gone nowhere. Under Article 4 Section 3 of our constitution, state borders can only change when each of the state legislatures involved agree on it, followed by an affirmative vote by Congress.

@onlineonlineaccount2368

14 күн бұрын

No single state in the US will be able to seperate. This extremist are just lost living in the 1800s.

@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts

14 күн бұрын

And voting for trump. And trying to stage the armed coup when he lost the last election. The rest of the world watches in horror with baited breath. No-one really cares whether Oregon moves it's borders, it's the people who want to that are the worry.

@willieclark2256

14 күн бұрын

It’s against the constitution to make a new state out of an existing one. There is no law against this and plenty of the counties have voted for it

@terryhoath1983

14 күн бұрын

Well it didn't stop West Virginia .... long after your constitution was adopted

@Putnamsmif

14 күн бұрын

@@terryhoath1983 So West Virgina isn't part of the US anymore? I don't know I'm English, but I thought it was?

To quote these kinds of people, "If you don't like it, then move".

@willieclark2256

14 күн бұрын

Exactly. Don’t like your county voting to join Idaho you can move to the coast.

@MackeyDeeez

14 күн бұрын

@@willieclark2256 That's literally never gonna happen. They can move to Idaho or deal with the political persecution of living in a state where trans people can get healthcare or something idk

@edwardcumpstey9061

13 күн бұрын

Contrary to popular belief, people actually like their homes and communities and want to stay put. Some can't afford to move to Idaho.

@MackeyDeeez

13 күн бұрын

@@edwardcumpstey9061 duh, I'm aware of that. I'm just pointing out that these are the kinds of people who will tell others to move out of America if they have any sort of criticism with how things are run here

@lacdirk

13 күн бұрын

@@edwardcumpstey9061 The main agitator literally moved from Portland to this small town, then found it was still not conservative enough so he wanted it to become part of Idaho. He could just as well move another few towns over into Idaho himself.

Democracy as long as is my own version of democracy

@igorlopes7589

13 күн бұрын

They just want to be inside a state that agrees with them, why does western oregon insist in having eastern oregon under its control anyway? Nothing would change for western oregonians at all, you guys just want *control*

@AdamBechtol

12 күн бұрын

Mmmm

@PendeltonWhiskey

12 күн бұрын

@@igorlopes7589 Are you aware that western Oregon subsidizes eastern Oregon so that pot bellied fat assed old men can do things like play dress-up and shoot cap pistols?

@vedacarmony5754

11 күн бұрын

Said Putin.

@clarkkent3335

11 күн бұрын

Good to know you support corporate (government) farming. We, on the other hand prefer locally grown vegs, plants and meats. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lWmjzs9wftvXZJc.html

Same thing in every state. Urban areas are liberal and rural areas conservative.

@Game_Hero

9 күн бұрын

that simplifies it, here it seems to go much deeper from politics, but their sociocultural identity and economy that is much closer to Idaho. It really is two worlds apart.

@BlackDoveNYC

8 күн бұрын

@@Game_Hero Not sure what your point is.

@danielefabbro822

7 күн бұрын

Indeed it looks like that in every country. Here in Italy is the same. With the difference that while in America you have to deal with just liberals and conservative, in Italy we have a range more wide of ideologies. We have commies, socialists and anarchic in the cities togheter with the vast majority of the people that is between what you call "liberals" and "conservative", we call them democrats or republicans. While in the rural areas we have again anarchics and even fascist people (while not real fascists because they themselves don't know what "Fascism" is, they just pretend to be like that). And are usually more traditional and religious. Against abortion, against foreign religions, pro-traditional family, no LGBT and stuff like that. That's the citizen basin that votes our right wing. Left wing, while being pro to much of these things, they usually ends up being less effective due to internal debate. And we accuse them openly to fail too much. Mostly because the historical left in Italy, namely and specifically the commies, have brought Italy from being a country destroyed by the ww2 to the 7th and later 8th economic power of the planet. And still today the "anti-fascist" constitution we have is an heritage of that past. It grants a shitton of rights, some even Americans don't have. But at the same time it makes burocracy and sustainability of the system a bit of a burden for our economy. Not like the EU and the ECB are not trying to dismantle everything we have, of course not. But we care about our rights. And we won't give them up to Europe. And that's why many voted the right wing... as absurd as it may look, but it happen also in America, popular political crusades are actually carried out by those who usually not share any bounds with the people, with the plebeans. The proletariat. The right wing historically belongs to aristocracy in all it's forms: monarchies, church, bourgesie, industrialists and corporativists... You know, the white collars in America. So that's shocking but at the same time is also understandable since the right usually fights against the needs to change. The correct path would be that of introducing changings slowly, in order to people to understand and accept it. But lately such changing was too fast and people of course fear it and struggle to adapt, especially if the State and current government don't do anything to help that. So it's just 50% win and 50% loss. It's a win because Italy resist to the imposition of changing in what we think it's something bad, it's a loss because the right is doing exactly that: Cutting voices on the budget. Healthcare was cut, edication was cut, pensions was cut. And people soon or later will be furious when they will discover on their skin that those they have voted for to do a job have also done exactly the opposite while pretending to care. Reason why the Meloni government will not last forever. But of course, there will be in any case the elections. So... And I think it's kinda similar to what is happening to America too. People wants politicians to respect their traditions and take care of some of these things, they vote for the only ones that promise these things, but they end up having less than before. In Italy such moment usually anticipate a brilliant victory of the Left. In America... well you guys are about to elect Trump no matter what so you're about to start this cycle. Not ending it. Electing Biden again would be unrealistic. The only other option that have some chance to get the victory is Kennedy. To me, he looks like a good guy. We Italians could give him the seat of President of the Minister's Council. The same Constitution says that you don't have to be Italian to be elected President... 😅 #KennedyForItaly! 🤣🤣🤣

@Game_Hero

7 күн бұрын

@@BlackDoveNYC that this movement is deeper than just "I don't like them democrats" like some people simplify it, it really does make more sense for everyone for eastern Oregon to join Idaho, they match better on tons of things.

@user-pu9ds2qg7u

7 күн бұрын

Rural make gmo food, sell guns to gangs and urban make wage slave jobs, more homeless

Sure, if conservatives from rural America want to separate to another state then liberals in urban population centers that happen to be in red states should be able to separate too. Because of how the electoral college works, presidential elections would be a guaranteed lock for liberals. Be careful of what you wish for

@AmazingDuckmeister

12 күн бұрын

Not only that, but making cities states themselves would guarantee a Democratic senate.

@bobfaam5215

12 күн бұрын

Nothing is permanent . Democratic Party thinks that it has Hispanics and AA permanently on its side . And it gets 40% Wyte vote . Democratic Party used to be the party of segregation . And AA were on the Republicans side . This thing reversed in the past . It can reverse in the future too .

@bobfaam5215

12 күн бұрын

@@AmazingDuckmeister Nothing is permanent . Democratic Party thinks that it has Hispanics and AA permanently on its side . And it gets 40% Wyte vote . Democratic Party used to be the party of segregation . And AA were on the Republicans side . This thing reversed in the past . It can reverse in the future too .

@bobfaam5215

12 күн бұрын

Military is overwhelming Rural Wyte and Urbsn working class Wytes . Don’t forget that . Also these people are most heavily armed . They can easily capture the country by force .

@bobfaam5215

12 күн бұрын

@@AmazingDuckmeister Military is overwhelming Rural Wyte and Urbsn working class Wytes . Don’t forget that . Also these people are most heavily armed . They can easily capture the country by force .

I’ve been in both cultures and I can confidently say that the side most afraid of being controlled and feel not listened to is most controlling and least likely to listen

@YorktownUSA

7 күн бұрын

Makes sense, I suppose, but what's your point? Expect either side to stop? No. There is no end to war and hatred.

for the person commenting on "they want to take away our agriculture." You can blame corporate America and the food industry for that. Yes, the food industry that financially supports your conservative politicians in D.C. that are more focused on their media appearances than their constituents.

@willieclark2256

13 күн бұрын

No - there was a bill in Oregon that would’ve made it illegal to slaughter any cattle under 5 years old. Literally just trying to cripple an industry they don’t like but makes up a good portion of economics and culture east of the cascades

@0jacon0ice0

12 күн бұрын

@@willieclark2256 ok but think about this. How many average liberal voter actually created that bill? Now how many large corpos who can afford to raise the cows to five did. Now as these farmers start to lose too much money these corpos buy up the farms. It’s a genuine concern and you can actually convince liberals to oppose it. But you need to leave the left right dichotomy to even process this stuff.

@J-1410

12 күн бұрын

@@0jacon0ice0 That would be about as hard as teaching you proper grammar and spelling.

@kirkmarusak7800

11 күн бұрын

​@willieclark2256 There are thousands of bills introduced, but most of them never get voted upon or passed. That particular bill may only have the support of the legislator who introduced it. The rest of the Legislature may ignore it. There is no reason to be concerned or panic. The legislation never became law.

@iwiffitthitotonacc4673

11 күн бұрын

The corporations love when people misdirect the blame away from them - the people who blame liberals for the actions of corporations might as well consider themselves accomplices.

3:25 He moved out of Portland because he found it "too liberal". But he couldn't be bothered to move a bit *further* east and actually live in Idaho? It's not as if Idaho was lacking in land he couldn't bought.

@iamjustsaying4787

7 күн бұрын

@RedXlV Actually 2/3 of Idaho is federal land and not for sale. We would welcome conservative reenforcements especially in Coeur d'Alene, Sun Valley and Boise.

@danielzhang1916

3 күн бұрын

Funny how they don't want to actually move to another state with all their complaints

@mictos7705

Күн бұрын

@@danielzhang1916it’s ironic, they would be the first to say “if you don’t like it then perhaps you should move”

Its not just about weed and lgbt… Alot of people on the comments are not taking what these people are saying seriously, but considering the state of Oregon is actively trying to close down self sufficient farms in favor of big corporate owned farms in the name of “environmental conservation”, I can see there being a major stand off between these two sides of the state in the not to distant future…

@craig8638

2 күн бұрын

So you’re saying liberals are trying to close down small farms. I bet some of the people who are saying they’re trying to shut down family farms are actually owners of huge farms. Who do you think runs small organic local farms? From what I’ve seen, it’s usually more liberal minded people who want to take care of the planet. Let’s deal in facts. Corporate Ag just feeds off the division while they’re taking over small farms.

@jb94103

Күн бұрын

As somebody who leans very much on the progressive side of the aisle, I actually agree with this! Big corporations such as Amazon should not control the future of food and agriculture. Especially as they have done far more to destroy the planet than America’s family farmers. In fact, I bet you vast overwhelming majority of the Left would agree.

Listening to Oregon liberals talk about “they just need to work within the government we have“ seems to totally ignore the fact that electorally it’s impossible for these people to win on a state level due to the population disparity between the big cities and areas. In addition to that the state government on the east side of the divide has absolutely zero interest in listening to people on the west side, if not openly despise them.

@PendeltonWhiskey

7 күн бұрын

Oh boo hoo! poor victimized baby! baby want to steal 2/3 of Oregon to make himself feel better?

@MrWhitmen1981

6 күн бұрын

It’s not impossible, it’s about messaging sucks if your tactics within the rules and law it’s fair game.

@PendeltonWhiskey

5 күн бұрын

Liberals in conservative states are in the exact same situation but they don't throw a temper tantrum and try to steal 2/3 of those states

@janes7227

5 күн бұрын

It's called democracy. And if people despise them maybe they should ask why? It's called reflection. Not whining.

@PendeltonWhiskey

5 күн бұрын

@@janes7227 I wish I could just eject them from the USA. They hate democracy because they want an authoritarian dictator namely Trump. All of this nonsense is about Trump. It's all about the clown cult

This is extremely accurate reporting. As someone that lives in Oregon, it's spot on, the unfortunate part is the conservative portion of the state feels this way mostly because they like to hone in on hot button issues and what they feel is a specific culture. They don't want to see gays, they don't want to see people with multicolor hair. They don't like electric cars, they just don't want that stuff around. So even if you came to some kind of agreed conclusion on things like firearm rights, taxation, things like that, there is still such an utter dislike for left-leaning culture, they are constantly going to feel that there is a war to be fought. America has very little news, what we have are marketing networks. If someone tunes into left or right leaning propaganda networks they are told on a daily basis that the other side is the reason for their suffering and the entire problem in this country. That division, I believe, is done to control the vote and keep people radicalized and reliable

@LiberRaider

14 күн бұрын

The left has some great stuff they can be proud of, mostly civil rights. Where I think they struggle is owning their failures. Defund the police was dumb. Big, liberal cities are not beacons of hope, they're sort of miserable, especially in certain areas. I was a teacher and a lot of kids are extremely anxious and depressed in California. When you see kids in the country, they're happy and active and respectful. I know that's anecdotal but it feels pervasive. For me, I'd be more attracted to the left if they acknowledged that instead of acting like this is all inevitable and "progressive." But I'm probably just an ignorant hick.

@ch.3569

14 күн бұрын

Its not just hot button issues. There afraid for there lively hood stuff like a requirement for electric lawn mowers seems like a great idea for someone with a house in the city, but is a major problem for someone who has a Large area in the country.

@uknowamsaying

14 күн бұрын

@@LiberRaider The right can be gaddam evil sometimes, but the left is a complete mess of lunatics who advocate unsustainable nonsense as "Progressive". I would really want to see the segregation across ideological lines, so we an see how things pan out when states are run differently. I am very sure the Left would create societies and cities that would turn to a total decadent, broke and unsafe mess (like Portland, Stockholm etc.), and some would soon be trying to move into the territories controlled by the right. Only problem is that, when they do move into these territories they would again advocate their silly policies because the Left never like to take accountability after their failures, it is always "because their policies were not implemented right". The Left has produced kids without discipline, respect for elders/authorities, good mental health and resilience, but they will NEVER take accountability for the mess their ideas eventually create. Yet, they keep on trying to impose these failure-bound mentality & ideas on others just to feel good and "Progressive".

@ArthurBugorski

14 күн бұрын

@gen-X-trader >an utter dislike for left-leaning culture I mean, isn't that reason enough? That's good enough reason for a divorce in a marriage. They no longer feel like they can work together to a mutually satisfiable future together, and would like to try with someone else. I'm about as far from conservative as you can get, but I do support them if that's what they want to do. There is a legitimate concern about 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner here. While, many progressives like to decry the electoral college, it does aim to strike a balance. Democracy ain't just first-past-the-post or majority rule.

@Pekka.Pekka.1296

14 күн бұрын

The problem is that people don't talk with eachother. What if that ultraconservative father will have a gay son. His whole world will collapse. And what if the LMBTQ community would respect this old-school view of life which those old people don't want to change. (Which is inevitable though, so on the long run those conservatives will sufffer.)

This happens all the time - things aren't going the way someone wants and they start whining that democracy doesn't work. Democracy doesn't mean getting your way all the time. Sheez.

@solarmaru49

14 күн бұрын

Actually it is lol

@danielallred4806

13 күн бұрын

No it means you suffer the consequences of what you choose if you’re not careful.

@The_king567

13 күн бұрын

Its majority rule

@johngalt1967

13 күн бұрын

Democracy is to wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner

@willieclark2256

13 күн бұрын

Nor is democracy ‘the tyranny of the majority’

They don’t understand what democracy is

Are the people in Portland actually preventing these rural folks from living their lifestyle? "They dont' want agriculture," said one of them. What? Portlanders don't want produce? That makes little sense. Democracy is about numbers. If you can't convince the majority to vote for your side, you need to find another approach to your politics. Denouncing city folks won't convince them to vote for you.

I’m pretty liberal, pretty tolerant, I’ve been to some weird places in london but those guys dressed as cowboys hip-thrusting is probably the most LGBT thing I’ve ever seen.

@jameswalters3571

14 күн бұрын

Can't be that liberal if you're making homophobic jokes...

@terryhoath1983

13 күн бұрын

@@jameswalters3571 A phobia is an irrational fear. Jonpoo is not suffering from an irrational fear so he is not homophobic, just having a snigger at something that DOES look a bit gay even though it is not. They are having fun with their guns and providing the rest of us with entertainment. As Mr Bennet said in "Pride and Prejudice", "'For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?".

@Gryphind0r

13 күн бұрын

​@@jameswalters3571he's a troll

@lacdirk

13 күн бұрын

​@@jameswalters3571 Seems like it touched a nerve with you, though.

@DSAK55

13 күн бұрын

cosplaying is a big part of being a Trumptard

Wonder how many times these people have actually experienced someone telling them "you can't do ... " and how much is down to what they are just told is happening on TV

@FourDollaRacing

13 күн бұрын

It goes deeper than that... it all boils down to their mothers brainwashing them to believe in the boogeyman even though such a creature isn't real. 🙄

@AdamBechtol

12 күн бұрын

Aye

@mattalley4330

10 күн бұрын

Indeed. I have noticed many people on both sides of the political aisle confuse pushback with persecution. “I disagree” should not be viewed as the same as “I hate you and you are a terrible person.”

@bigbud8182

4 күн бұрын

Yes the complete fabricated bullshit from Fox News and company is just tapping into people’s frustrations and general anger about the system and contradictions of capitalism. It’s a smoke and mirrors tactic to prevent people from coming together in solidarity. They’re constantly told the lgbtq community wants to turn all kids gay and trans, teachers are teaching gender theory in k-6, and if we add a few caravans from South America to come in then the entire system will collapse. It’s completely sensationalized or just pure bullshit.

If we do this for Oregon can we do it for Texas too? Since the Blue cities are constantly outvoted? I mean if we’re being fair here!

@ArthurBugorski

14 күн бұрын

Absolutely. Borders are like marriages. When they don't work for the people in them, they should be dissolved, and the messiest part is divvying up the common assets.

@willieclark2256

14 күн бұрын

What state would Central Texas join?

@bcarg69

14 күн бұрын

Yes, please leave.

@malachyramirez7677

14 күн бұрын

I see Panorda box might be open if this happens. Who next, illinois leaving Chicago or southwestern Virginia & western Maryland joining west Virginia. Update new york become its own state.

@mdrocks7842

14 күн бұрын

​@malachyramirez7677 nah merge all the states and then divide them in 2 all democrat voting counties in 1 and all republican voting in the other sure the new. Borders will look like a tumour but no more problems then /s

Would they be paying back the remainder of the state for the infrastructure they're taking?

@PendeltonWhiskey

10 күн бұрын

Don't forget what could be the worlds largest Lithium deposit

@stevengayler8447

9 күн бұрын

You have things backwards. The country pays the bills.

@PendeltonWhiskey

9 күн бұрын

@@stevengayler8447 Eastern Oregonians are takers. They pay far less in taxes than they receive in benefits from those horrible people in Western Oregon

@Lucas_5092

8 күн бұрын

Lets not act like the government even tries to build infrastructure in the country

@Game_Hero

7 күн бұрын

No?

If they dont like Oregon why not just go live in Idaho - its right there - nobody is stopping them . Its not liberals' fault that these right wingers want to live in 1873

@acamiln8354

11 күн бұрын

Americans know only for another state, not coyuntry. American are not able to see that in fact no difference among states.

@starventure

11 күн бұрын

@@acamiln8354 Strongly disagree, my dear China-bot. This is more about rural and suburban versus urban than anything.

@JohnnyDelco

11 күн бұрын

Spoken like a true leftist ☝🏽

@20quid

11 күн бұрын

We all know that if they were the ones with the power than is exactly what they'd be saying to the city-folk.

@PendeltonWhiskey

10 күн бұрын

@@20quid and have said in the past. In the 60's and 70's during the Vietnam era and the protests that went along with it, they said "America, love it or leave it!" millions of times

These people say their way of life is under threat but are quite happy if transferring to Idaho threatens the way of life of minority Democrats in these counties. Total hypocrites.

@PendeltonWhiskey

10 күн бұрын

exactly, and I am one of those. I have no desire to wake up one morning and finding myself in Idaho

As a native 3rd gen Oregonian tom McCall had it right! Now after 64 yrs I moved outta oregon because if you vote western oregon always has majority. Never thought id move from home state but it's Not the oregon my family was raised in. Was a nice place to visit but they didn't listen to Tom and stayed.

Can somebody explain to me how a country of more than 300 million people can be easily broken down into just two major political parties??? Humans are a lot more complex than just “Conservative” & “Liberal”

@LanaDelReysBabe

2 күн бұрын

because people follow leaders not with logical reasoning, but rather with ignorant blindness. Its a joke

Of course it works. You have the freedom to pick up and move wherever you want.

@MM-xc2bt

9 күн бұрын

Freedom is based on income.

@Game_Hero

9 күн бұрын

or democratically decides in what state you want your county to be in, or silence their humanity and concerns by telling them to go away I guess.

@mikeg8276

8 күн бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Game_HeroCounties don’t get to vote what state they’re in LOL 🤣🤣🤣People live in the state they live in. If they don’t like it they can move. It’s called personal accountability.

@thomasmcroy1756

8 күн бұрын

@@MM-xc2bt yeah but you are free to pursue a higher paycheck. Chinese nationals are wealthier than ever but still need government approval to travel abroad.

@MM-xc2bt

8 күн бұрын

@thomasmcroy1756 no you are not! To get higher paying job you have to have the $$ and time to go to college or trade school. And in a pos country that makes food, roof over head and health care luxuries. You have to work multiple jobs and still have to steal to eat with no time or $$ for further education.

This is the Future. People need to move to be around people that agree with them. The ability for compromise seems to be gone.

@suzygirl1843

10 күн бұрын

Why blame young people if older people don't want to change their ways?

@mfnzer

10 күн бұрын

@@suzygirl1843 don't put words in my mouth I did not say anything about young people.

@Steve-cg8ek

10 күн бұрын

Forgot about compromise their is a growing attitude of going out people's way to be cruel towards people they don't agree with.

@WestCoastRoller

10 күн бұрын

​@Steve-cg8ek yes...people have lost or forgotten the behavioral trait of respect and being civil. Everyone thinks they are right. Everyone has a right to believe what they believe even if you disagree with them and you also do not have to accept others beliefs or values.

@mfnzer

10 күн бұрын

The great American nation was built on compromise, with all you flavourful people it was once your strength, now you have lost that and in my humble opinion will be your downfall, all great empires collapse form within

I'm a liberal in Boise, Idaho. I know what it's like to be affected by a state government I don't agree with. There's absolutely no way to draw state lines in a way that everyone will find themselves in a political situation they enjoy. If the folks in Eastern Oregon get their Greater Idaho, I want my blue city of Boise to be able to split off from Idaho. Of course, both ideas (Greater Idaho and Boise splitting from Idaho) are completely untenable. People just have to accept that you're not going to always get your way politically.

They should move to Idaho

If these people spent more time actually engaging with their communities and less time watching TV and scrolling misinformation they’d realise that most of their concerns are imaginary.

@AliDixon95

14 күн бұрын

Yep - just straight up talking utter bullshit

@onlineonlineaccount2368

14 күн бұрын

@Jonpoo1 ..This is ''middle America'' for ya...many are easly misled, miseducated and brainwashed with xenophobia and hatred.

@user-sl8xb6hj9k

14 күн бұрын

They want 'freedom' but don't want to do any thinking for themselves. These people are just stupid and I genuinely have no time for them.

@Randomstuffs261

14 күн бұрын

Exactly millions of conservatives think Trans people are attacking people in bathrooms, which has happened a total of 1 time. And think that this imaginary problem is worth reducing people's rights.

@tvted6160

14 күн бұрын

LGBTQ RSTUVWXYZ is being pushed down our throats! Enough already! Look at Eurovision…..not 1 normal person….FREAK SHOW

"I can't get my way!" *Stomps foot*

@adamheuer8502

9 күн бұрын

“So how dare you say you don’t want to do whatever I tell you!” Stomps foot - This guy

@TheNakedWombat

9 күн бұрын

Watching people replying to my original comment all triggered and not having the capacity to understand, is entertaining.

@adamheuer8502

9 күн бұрын

@@TheNakedWombat Oh and what is there to understand your enlightendness. Please inform us lowly plebians

@TheNakedWombat

9 күн бұрын

@@adamheuer8502 They're throwing tantrums. They can't control something, so they cry and try to break everything like underdisciplined children.

It is basically your century old urban vs rural divide, what has changed is that whereas 30 years ago the population was still more evenly split between rural and urban as was the economics, this has now reversed. Anywhere in the world, it is the cities which drive wealth creation be it London, Paris, Mumbai, Tokyo, San Fran, Austin etc it is not driven my the rural economy. This has caused angst amongst rural voters who have seen their towns depleted of people and hence services. In the US towns are basically democratic voter bases vs rural is republican. The same applies by states, all the high GDP per capital states in the USA are basically democrat, the poorer states are republican. If the USA adapted a “2 state solution” and the fiscal transfers from democratic states to republican states would stop, many red state would be in a heap of trouble. The GDP per capita of the democrat part of the USA would rise and be higher than that of the republican states. So even if you look at Oregon where is the wealth, tax base etc? , it is along the coast, esp Portland. Personally not a great fan of the place but that is where the money is made, like it or not. The eastern part is a fiscal drag on the western part. Many voters don’t want to believe this or refuse to believe it. Why would Idaho tax payers take on the eastern part of Oregon which they would then have to subsidize to keep afloat? As to starting your own state it would be a vote for poverty, a bit like Brexit. Feels good emotionally, logically a case of shooting yourself in the foot.

Reminiscing about the traditional gas stations of yesteryears reminds one of a bygone era characterized by amiable attendants, comprehensive service, and a palpable sense of community. The transition from full-service to self-service has not only elicited feelings of nostalgia but has also brought about a discernible societal shift. This evolution has, regrettably, led to a diminution in interpersonal connections and a loss of communal sentiment. Nostalgia, while evoking fond recollections, tends to gloss over the less favorable aspects of the past.

Compromise is apparently anti-democratic?

@LiberRaider

14 күн бұрын

You could argue the right has compromised far more than the left in the last 100 years. The left doesn't see it as compromise, they see it as progress. They will riot and burn things down when they feel out of options. The right tends to get political, organize and vote or move away and isolate. Neither is a great strategy for compromise and democratic strength. We're in a pickle.

@jrbailey3208

14 күн бұрын

Neither Salem nor Olympia offer compromise; they tell the rural citizenry to shut their mouths, lower their heads, and pay the taxation levels that are theft rate and be happy about it. The Woke fanaticism that controls both Washington State and Oregon State politics allows for no compromise. This is the reality for rural citizens on the east side of the Cascade Range of the two States. I was born and raised in Western Washington State, and finished high school in Wyoming, and have family in Western Oregon, so I know all about the specifics of what's going on politically, culturally, and economically in both of those states. Sadly, both Olympia and Salem are too stupid, too arrogant, and too narcissistic, to understand just how dangerous a situation now exists in both States. Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central Wyoming USA

@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts

14 күн бұрын

Who exactly did you mean when you said Olympia and Salem? Are you referring to the ordinary voters or the politicians?

@johndeere3486

14 күн бұрын

@@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6tslike they know who they are angry at. The same “woke” politicians they hate just unleashed cops and “counter protesters” on college kids sitting in the quad. There is no “woke left” politically in America. There is a center right party and a far right party. There is no “”woke left” politically speaking in the US. Biden just tried to ram through a 100% GOP immigration bill and has still yet tot act on abortion. That’s not how a “woke left” party responds to election wins, by giving in. Heck the GOO loses electorally and they still win policy wise.

@Joey-ct8bm

14 күн бұрын

The electoral college is undemocratic. This is just another attempt to get more electoral votes for republicans.

"Fight for what you believe in.". But sit down and shut up when WE speak. Authoritarianism coming soon.

@adamheuer8502

9 күн бұрын

“Fight for what you believe in, but shut up and do what you’re told” - This idiot calling them fascists

@John__XC

7 күн бұрын

Good. I hope trump is a fascist leader

@rafaelmusacchio5257

6 күн бұрын

​@@John__XCTDS at its finest

No Oregon is not tearing itself apart. But let me just say even if Oregon and Idaho agree to the boarder move guess who has to approve that request. CONGRESS and Congress is not going to let that happen.

Nobody is stupid enough to propose ending agriculture...these people have been gravely misinformed.

@PendeltonWhiskey

5 күн бұрын

Who exactly proposed ending agriculture? NOBODY

The state lines are drawn, if you don’t like it MOVE.

@adamheuer8502

9 күн бұрын

Or just maybe you do what I want or leave (You know this could just go in circles forever)

@Game_Hero

7 күн бұрын

why are they drawn this way and why can't the lines be changed based on the democratic will of the people? "Because because" is not an argument.

So they want to keep things like the old days like drawn out by predecessors but then want to ignore what the predecessors laid out on the map.

@xanderx2523

12 күн бұрын

Yeah but when those maps were drawn there were no liberal cities. If our predecessors could see the non binary liberals now they would understand the new borders 😂

@starventure

11 күн бұрын

When their predecessors drew out the map, LGBTQ did not exist.

That 2020 "summer of love" was an absolute circus. Mayors running for their lives, courthouses under siege, absolute sh!tshow.

@alexanderangelo7284

9 күн бұрын

We wouldn't have riots and revolts if we didn't have injustices ignored by our political elites.

As some one who lived in oregon, i loved the lax drug laws and the old gun laws. Its was good mix of red and blue laws until all my fellow freedom loving republicans left. I just want a government that lets people live how they want as long you do not hurt no one psychically or financially there should be no crime.

@s0515033

9 күн бұрын

The notion that Republicans are freedom loving is a myth. It is something said, but not internalized. Freedom to them means the opposite for others. Like the freedom to impose religion.

Stay in ur state and just have more kids. That’s the right way of changing an idea

As a great fan of Westerns since about the age of 7, I always instinctively sided with the Indians. That instinct was correct.

@sTraYa249

14 күн бұрын

Medal?

@titteryenot4524

14 күн бұрын

@@sTraYa249 Medal? It’s just an opinion, love. You might need to source some better coping strategies as your current ones clearly aren’t working.👍

@herculeholmes504

14 күн бұрын

Your instinct was unreliable. The Red Indians were at that time a Stone Age people, and they were quite savage and warlike.

@jrbailey3208

14 күн бұрын

Would you care to provide an expanded understanding for the context of your statement? I live in Wyoming and have Arapahoe friends, Ogallala Sioux friends, Crow, as well as Alaskan Inuit family, and a variety of Washington State local peoples, having gone to school with many members of the peoples cited. I'm 1/16 Cherokee, raised by 1/4 Cherokee Gramm, and a Half Blood Chocktaw Grandfather. My point is that for me, American Indians are not esoteric, or theoretical concepts: they are real people, with real cultures I have experienced and understand, as well as the whole concept of what it means to live on the Rez (Reservation). Prior to my grandfolks taking me in, I lived in public housing in a poor, across the tracks, section of a town in Western Washington, a stone's throw from the Tulalip Reservation, which is a stone's throw from the Quileute area, and later lived and traveled in the Nooksack lands (great hobby gold prospecting area), in the Nooksack Valley just South of Bellingham WA. While I finished high school out of Wyoming, I grew up in the Puget Sound area, so I know exactly what channel 4 video on this issue actually means to the people who live there, because the very same debate that is going on in Oregon is happening in Washington State at this very moment. The bottom line is that the rural people in the Eastern sides of both Washington State and Oregon State are being oppressed and downtrodden by the higher population progressive Woke fanatics on the western side of the Cascade Range: that pro-abortion older woman kept lying through her teeth about working through the system; the Woke fanatics in Salem and in Olympia do not listen to the people on the east sides of the Cascade Range: as the saying goes in the West they treat them like a bunch of 'Red-Headed Step Children'; beating the daylights out of them in taxation and oppressive laws, rules, and regulations, but denying them their rights. They tell people on the East side of the Cascade Range to shut their mouths and accept everything that Salem and Olympia shovel down their throats. This is why you have movements in both East Washington and East Oregon to separate from the West sides of their dictatorial overlords in Salem and Olympia. This is the true reason why those movements exist. Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central Wyoming USA

@titteryenot4524

14 күн бұрын

@@herculeholmes504 Nah. My instinct was right. If I were asked tomorrow to ride out with the cowboys or the injuns, it’d be with the latter all the way into the sunset. 🐎 🌅

Greater Idiocracy

Why don’t they sell their land in Oregon and buy land in Idaho? Not like they’re going to stop paying property tax 😅

@Game_Hero

9 күн бұрын

because...you like your hometown?

@goodsaulman3037

7 күн бұрын

@@Game_Hero nuh feeling bonded to your hometown is a crazy right-wing extremist idea.

@MrGeoSim

6 күн бұрын

Sell to who?

@murraymadness4674

Күн бұрын

@@Game_Herowell they seem to hate their hometown, having to live under such horrible imposed restrictions...

@Game_Hero

Күн бұрын

@@murraymadness4674 you hardly have any control over the evolution of the course of nature and economy.

Ive got 11 states and 1 civil war to reference for this

@epikgamer4462

9 күн бұрын

I do not agree with them but West Virginia does exist.

@PatagoniaAries

7 күн бұрын

Timothy McVeigh says hi

@Game_Hero

7 күн бұрын

Pretty gross comparing simple democratic change of one constituency for another and a full-on pointless war to keep holding people as property. Frankly, if I was african-american, I'd be offended by this being used so casually like this.

@scp_sixtynine4203

7 күн бұрын

@@Game_Hero but you're not, so you can save yourself the faux outrage and move to a conservative or liberal state if you want to. Old timers in Oregon don't want to move to Idaho but complain all day long that there's an imaginary boot on their neck

The sad thing about these secessionist movements…many of these secessionists really are fundamentally ignorant about how dependent they are on the group they want to split from. Pretty much every rural area in the country is heavily subsidized from infrastructure, schools, health care, farm insurance and subsidies, and law enforcement the federal or state governments…which take the vast majority of their revenue from the urban areas.

@ChronaDecrox

10 күн бұрын

As someone in a rural area that is utter bs. The city's take the money from taxes in the rural areas to prop up failing city's. It is well known by people in the country side that money they are taxed gets mainly sent to the city's. Been like that from time and memoriam. Also...why not let them have that? If they succeed they succeed if they fail they fail. Sounds quite sense able. Unless you believe in the too big to fail mindset.

@yucol5661

10 күн бұрын

@@ChronaDecroxyeah, because their opinion on what happens to their tax money and how their finances are run is soooo believable and well informed /s. They totally pay attention to politics and their taxes beyond just the amount they have to pay. That’s like asking a man who beats his wife weather she deserves it or not. Or asking a salesperson if his product is the best there is. Or asking a student if they deserve their grade. Completely unreliable

@vandreadparty

10 күн бұрын

@@ChronaDecroxWait until your hospitals start closing because the urban tax base is gone.

@ChronaDecrox

10 күн бұрын

@@yucol5661 that's quite elites of you. Look at the inverse. The city's would have more money to spend on their own things. How many city's have crime or homeless problems. Why not let it happen so we can learn what works. From what I know of history most city's depend on the country side.

@danieltarczynski6559

10 күн бұрын

@@ChronaDecrox What is your source on this? Every single article on the matter from local news in Oregon mentions how the city of Portland subsidizes these counties. 90% of the countries GDP comes from Major Metropolitan areas (cities and the suburbs that directly surround them). I think you are just conflating your feelings with what is true. Facts say otherwise. It is usually cities that always subsidized rural areas throughout history. It was FDR's Tennessee Valley Authority that brought power and water to large swaths of areas in the Southeast at a great cost of billions of dollars. The TVA's budget was greater than the GDP of the areas that it was built in for example.

This is happening allover the west, the right vs left divide is getting bigger

America is too divided politically, most are either “Right” or “Left”. Constant fighting between the 2 parties, no effort to find middle ground where they can agree and help improve American citizens lives. Each party serves there special interests, not the people. The system is irreparably broken and I don’t see things improving until we get a 3rd party that will represent the people.

@user-bl4fj7qp8r

2 күн бұрын

The third party would likely just turn into another party like the democrat and republican side. Not achieving anything of value.

90% of Oregoneons live in the big towns and Portland. It is their taxes which disproportionally pay for for infrastructure in low density Eastern Oregon. No one is trying to force them to raise trans kids, drive electric cars, or stop being law abiding/responsible gun owners. Much of this resentment is based on imaginary fear of discrimination, yet they seem happy to discriminate against those they disagree with, as they wish to join a state which is happy to legislate against personal freedoms.

@jameswalters3571

13 күн бұрын

This seems like a really shoddy economic argument. Economic activity being concentrated in dense urban areas, OK. But precisely what types of economic activity are concentrated in those areas? And what types are concentrated in the rural ones that want to leave? Would the level of infrastructure investment change if the conservative counties switched to a bordering state's administration? One where there's a better appreciation for traditional industries and a lot more votes for targeted fiscal support? Furthermore, should rural Oregon residents be more grateful for other taxpayers' support if they experience geographic disparities regardless?

@kenhbeach

13 күн бұрын

@@jameswalters3571 Why do you assume there IS any meaningful economic activity in eastern OR? The publicly available numbers indicate otherwise.

@daviddestefanis2989

13 күн бұрын

@@kenhbeach Cities don't grow food. And in places like Colorado and Oregon I see videos where the liberals overreach in telling farmers what they should do (and mostly what they shouldn't do) to stop using fossil fuels. Farmers don't try to tell you how to do your job, don't tell them how to do theirs. Watch Clarkson's Farm. Its great.

@robertosborne7542

13 күн бұрын

There is a whole media structure-Fox/OAN etc etc-dedicated to keeping the outrageometer at 11,plenty of money to be made stoking that fire...see also religious grifters fleecing their flock with scary tales of how 5 yr old grandchilden are being forced to become gay or trans..

@johngalt1967

13 күн бұрын

you apparently aren't paying attention

Everyone needs to respect one another’s opinions and values. There is room for all in the conversation. Otherwise it’s civil war.

@greyskullmcbeef4901

10 күн бұрын

From wikipedia: Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, hate speech, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, dignity, the right to be forgotten, public security, blasphemy and perjury. Justifications for such include the harm principle, proposed by John Stuart Mill in On Liberty, which suggests that "the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others". You mentioned a seditious civil war somewhere in there...

@cs0345

3 күн бұрын

No we don't. Like why should someone have to put up with someone else's socially backwards and harmful views

The media constantly makes things an “us vs them.” The vast majority can work together.

If you don't like the policies of the state in which you live, move to one that aligns with your views. That's the way the country was designed, and why you have the Constitutional right of freedom of movement.

No one wants to get rid of agriculture

@rafaelcapuano8280

8 күн бұрын

But clinate change will, if we dont do anything.

@TheAlexagius

7 күн бұрын

No but the actions that people who are not informed have harm such communities and effectively do this. This is occurring in Europe and there have been mass protests as a result.

"We're all for Democracy, we LOVE Freedom and Democracy! But you can't "force" people who want polar opposite things together, it's not a healthy way to run a society!" - Oh, got it! So what you're saying is that you only love Democracy when YOU win all the votes, right? That's not "Democracy" it's totalitarianism, real Democracy means that even if you think the people who won a vote are dumb as a box of rocks you still abide by it; it's healthy because it forces people to live with one another under rules decided by THE MAJORITY. Stomping your feet and trying to gain independence so you will get things your way is *not* democratic and these people are nothing short of animals. And yes, I'm fully well aware the person at the start said " Democracy doesn't work.", but up to this point this entire movement has been pro-Democracy. You're not "free" without some form of Democracy, at best you're simply not a slave, and you most certainly won't have more of a voice.

@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts

14 күн бұрын

Well put. I know a few boxes of rocks myself 😂

@Joey-ct8bm

14 күн бұрын

The US is not a democracy. It's a country where republicans are favored in the electoral college system. A real democracy has the popular vote. They gerrymander lines so they win in certain area's and then say the democrats commit election fraud without proof. Now they even try with this move to get more electoral votes. They should be put in prison.

@aleph8888

14 күн бұрын

Both the USA and the state of Oregon are Republics not Democracies. Article IV, Section 4 of the US Constitution provides that the United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.

@chrisjackson1215

14 күн бұрын

@@aleph8888 Oh, look, one of those people who doesn't understand that a Republic is simply a system in which the people CHOOSE (in any way they see fit) their rulers. And in turn their rulers exercise supreme power for the people. Fun fact; you can also be a Democracy, you see if you VOTE for rulers and laws you're still also a Republic. It's almost like the Constitution is set up to be a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC not just a Republic. Honestly, you people have no reading comprehension and will buy into anything.

@skycloud4802

14 күн бұрын

Self-determinism is democracy. There's nothing wrong with a separatist state wanting it's own country - Palestine being one of them. Scotland got a crack at a vote and elected a nationalist separate party. So why not a US State too?

Australia, same area size as United States, has 7 States. Granted, we are only 26 million people spread over the land, yet we live basically normal day-to-day lives under a system where national elections held every 3 years on a Saturday are almost always settled by late that night. Come Monday either the old government continues (no limiting factors, i.e. only two terms) or the new lot settle in. Of course the usual ratbaggery of political misconduct runs free during campaigning, yet we stay relatively free of pulling the country apart, the beat goes on. Basket case America is on an inane downward spiral to a chaos it will take a generation to rectify as even a blind man can see if Trump loses one side of the political split will put it down to a rigged election and damn the consequences. Trump's true and lasting legacy.

@garrettfornea1088

2 күн бұрын

You guys gave away your guns and lost all leverage with your government. Now your government is curtailing certain rights like free speech (specifically, arresting a pregnant woman for speaking out against the China virus lockdowns on social media). Other Anglophone countries like Britain and Canada are behaving similarly. So why should we take cues from you?

75 people want one thing...25 people want another thing. I don't think it takes Charlie Chan to figure out the right course of action.

At 4:20 he literally describes democracy/party politics and then says that isn’t a way to run a society 😂

No more Oregon Health Plan if they move the border to Idaho.

@PendeltonWhiskey

10 күн бұрын

and they get an immediate 40% pay cut. Oregon's minimum wage is exactly 40% higher. They also get to pay a sales tax and don't forget, the multiTRILLION dollar price tag for the land grab will send Idaho taxes soaring for generations. I guess this all makes perfect sense to a cap pistol shooting fatty

@PendeltonWhiskey

10 күн бұрын

plus a nice 50% wage cut

@MegrelMamba

9 күн бұрын

Ok, no one minds 🤷🏿‍♂️

@MegrelMamba

9 күн бұрын

​@PendeltonWhiskey so a 60% reduction in prices too?

@chadzahirshah2588

9 күн бұрын

@@MegrelMambaJust move already, less job competition for me 😂

The conservatives should just leave and go to another state if they don't like it.

The problem is the people in Eastern Oregon don't believe in majority rule. They want their minority values and policies to dominate over the majority. It's a political sickness. That's not the American way. They can't in all practicality join Idaho. The cost for Boise would be exorbitant in order to integrate Eastern Oregon with the rest of Idaho. The investment in infrastructure would have to be enormous. Eastern Oregon is economically dependent on Western Oregon, and they would still have to use the Ports of Vancouver and Portland to export their agricultural products. The idea is just a non-starter, no matter how many counties vote to join Idaho and no matter how close they are in their socio-political values. It isn't going to happen. The interviews with Easterners make it clear, they are stuck in the past and they don't like 21st century America or the state of Oregon. Sorry, but I have no sympathy. No one's out to take their guns away; we just want rational, responsible gun laws, not the laissez faire Wild West with no rules like they seem to want. They have a very strange attitude towards LGBTQ issues that defies logic, reality and science. You heard it in the one guy's comments about not wanting his children to be told they can be whatever gender they want to be. It's that kind of ignorance that makes them afraid--and fear is what's driving them. They want to return both the state and the country to a pre-1960s America to a time they mistakenly romanticize as being a kind of golden age. The majority simply doesn't want that again.

@TheWedabest

2 күн бұрын

They are right about the guns laws. Dem politicians made up terms for firearms then used those made up terms for actual guns. Then they said we need to ban these guns that we attach made up terms to! Also the wild west wasn't so lawless! Laws existed that banned the caring of firearms publicly in towns! Contrary to what old westerns love to show! They truly don't understand how the old west actual worked!

If both States legislated to accept the will of counties wanting to change State, it would (eventually) have to go to Congress and the Senate for ratification and I guarantee, it will sit in Congress for Years!!

Yeah a country is not a cowboy larp event people.

@notestine0221

14 күн бұрын

I wonder if these mutants cry for the horse and buggy operators that had to shut down...

@AdamBechtol

12 күн бұрын

Mmm

The average age on the rural side seems to be 30 years older than on the liberal side.

The USA is on the path to dissolve. It has a massive debt that keeps getting bigger and bigger, a Trillion dollar military budget that has been at war constantly for the last 100 years. I didn't hear much talk about this. When the USA dissolves, the states can decide how to proceed, but I don't think the majority of those in Oregon will want to join up with Idaho.

Splitting up the states does not make gay people go away. I wonder if they know that.

@PendeltonWhiskey

10 күн бұрын

they don't know anything about anything. all they know is what they FEEL and their feelings are far more important than anyone elses

@MegrelMamba

9 күн бұрын

Electroshock therapy does

@---Tre---

9 күн бұрын

@@MegrelMamba You first!

@MegrelMamba

9 күн бұрын

@@---Tre--- I'm not of fაggistan

@YorktownUSA

7 күн бұрын

Believe it or not, that's not what they care about.

Just give back the land to Tribal gov't.

@edwardcumpstey9061

13 күн бұрын

Cope harder.🤠

@TheTrueOnyxRose

12 күн бұрын

Not a bad idea.

I'm better off my section of Ohio was a city-state, separate from the union due to unresolved matters that led to the Toledo War.

This is so sad for our country and it’s not healthy for future generations. We raised the most depressed generation of children and the young adults don’t want to reproduce. We have to find a compromise we need leadership that will work towards unity not division.

These are the same people who for years told us "if you don't like it here, you can leave". Apparently they can dish it out but they can't stand being on "the other side".

@clarkkent3335

11 күн бұрын

look on the Brightside - Oregon is closing down small farming business. This is an example of abusive power.

@mattalley4330

10 күн бұрын

Yeah, I thought liberals in Oregon were the snowflakes that needed safe spaces, according to many of these right leaning folks prior to this effort to join Idaho

@PendeltonWhiskey

10 күн бұрын

@@clarkkent3335 does crying and whining ever get old for you?

@clarkkent3335

10 күн бұрын

@PendeltonWhiskey Thank you for supporting corporate facisism.

@nidhoggryggdrasil2489

4 күн бұрын

@@eaglestryker1338 Okay? Good for you. As you aren't advocating for Oregon to split in twain, I imagine my comment doesn't apply to you.

Eastern Oregon is like less than 10% of Oregon's population and thry want to take half the states land? Also they're overwhelmingly subsidized by the western part of the state. If Idaho did take eastern Oregon it would be a huge financial burden.

@PendeltonWhiskey

9 күн бұрын

Not just 1/2. they want to steal 2/3 of Oregon

@adamheuer8502

9 күн бұрын

So it belongs to you?

@TrampMachine

9 күн бұрын

@@adamheuer8502 Lol no, collectively it belongs to the State of Oregon. Imagine if a blue city in a red state said we don't like the politics here so we're gonna take half the states land and make our own state or join a blue state.

@adamheuer8502

9 күн бұрын

@@TrampMachine I really don’t see why they would have a problem with that? The issue is that in the 70’s California started this trend of using state powers to override local government and create this division. Laws should only be applied at the smallest level logistically possible. For example it should be up to local government to decide what schools should teach not the 51% of people who live in a capitol 300 miles away

@nexussays

9 күн бұрын

​@@adamheuer8502that idea is moronic if you think about it for more than 15 seconds. Too long for a conservative to maintain a thought, I know, and hence our dilemma.

They need a American Union instead of a United States

Well, there's no such thing as democracy or republics. Only Oligarchy and Monarchy concern human affairs.

What percentage of the population live in Rural America?

@AdamBechtol

12 күн бұрын

It's a good question.

@TheTrueOnyxRose

12 күн бұрын

Much less than urban. But land can’t vote.

@PendeltonWhiskey

12 күн бұрын

@@TheTrueOnyxRose you're exactly right about that. unfortunately, the pot bellied fat assed cap pistol shooting dullards don't seem able to comprehend that fact

@Red-Check-Mark

12 күн бұрын

​@@TheTrueOnyxRoseNeither can communists. That land, which makes your food, has people living on it.

@bill4514

11 күн бұрын

​@@Red-Check-Marklol source

These are some of the poorest and most unemployed counties in Oregon... Not sure Idaho wants Oregon's trailer trash.

@jrbailey3208

14 күн бұрын

Tell you what tough guy, why don't you show up at an event like that Cowboy Shoot and say that same thing to their faces? Come on you loudmouth monsoon, put on your big boy pants and belly up to the bar!

@FourDollaRacing

14 күн бұрын

Not to mention The Reservations with certain Federal protections...

@milemilitinovic3724

14 күн бұрын

The true face of “ tolerance “ here

@potatomahonman5008

14 күн бұрын

Most people in Idaho would probably prefer them over Portland

@Greater_Idaho

13 күн бұрын

These areas have the same average income as Idaho and a 99-page economic study found that they would be a net benefit to Idaho

I have lived and worked in Eastern Oregon, great country and people. I now live and work in Western Oregon: weird.

When is the election or referendum for Idaho Vs Oregon

@alexanderangelo7284

14 күн бұрын

It's not happening.

@ravindra7791

14 күн бұрын

@@alexanderangelo7284 But the video suggests sometime in May ?

@alexanderangelo7284

14 күн бұрын

@@ravindra7791 There is a primary election in May. But the vote to succeed won't go through. It's not happening.

@callu947

14 күн бұрын

@@alexanderangelo7284they said the same about trump. Please can you yanks not make another mistake

@alexanderangelo7284

13 күн бұрын

@@callu947 In order for states to change borders, the states involved must mutually agree, followed by an affirmative vote by Congress.

Why can't people just mind their own business and let people alone?

@emilydavison2053

12 күн бұрын

Whose business is it? Lax gun laws have a terrible effect on everyone, not just gun owners. People who insist on having massive diesel cars are damaging the world for everyone, not just themselves.

@acamiln8354

11 күн бұрын

Business is not whole life. Americnas maybe learn it sometimes.

@domenico_ginny6164

9 күн бұрын

That’s is exactly the wrong thing to do. The issue is we aren’t talking to each other. We need to hold Q &A’s for both sides to come to understandings and compromise so we can find a solution

I’m sure these are the same people who oppose statehood for Puerto Rico and DC

@tylerkriesel8590

4 күн бұрын

DC was never ment to be a state. Puerto Rico has voted against statehood.

@Tyler-ze4tg

4 күн бұрын

@@tylerkriesel8590 The head of government was never meant to be part of a state is what you mean. The current plan would be to keep congress, White House, etc as the District of Columbia, and have the surrounding city become a state. As for Puerto Rico, I’m pretty sure they’ve voted for statehood twice now, so I don’t know what you are talking about

@PendeltonWhiskey

4 күн бұрын

@@tylerkriesel8590 Puerto Rico voted for statehood in 2020

We don’t have red and blue states, we’re have rural and urban demographics and elected officials don’t represent their entire constituency, we need to localize more government because even in a red state the large cities are blue and unfortunately they control the government.

@DreidelBoy1948

3 күн бұрын

Not too familiar with Wisconsins political landscape I take it

lol, if you don't like your State, then move to a different one. Man, the arrogance of some people.

@TheWedabest

2 күн бұрын

Most people would if they could!

I lived in NW Indiana in the early-to-mid 90s. Lake County has more in common with Illinois, esp Cook County, than most of the rest of Indiana, but there wasn't the whine of "We want to be Illinois, not Indiana." It seems that it's usually conservatives that want their way. I haven't read about the Atlanta secession movement, or the splitting of North Carolina because liberals are unhappy with the conservative control of the states

@Gryphind0r

13 күн бұрын

Democrats controlled Indiana in the 90s

@AdamBechtol

12 күн бұрын

Mmmm

@zachl3330

11 күн бұрын

My parents left IL in the 90s to come to NWI because it’s basically the same Chicagoland they’re used to but without failing public schools, high crime, and high tax burdens - the South Heights to Crown Point pipeline was massive in the 90s and like half of the people in South Lake County I knew had a background in IL, either born there or one generation removed. Hammond and Gary keep the Region blue but don’t be surprised if IN-01 swings red in our lifetime, it’s trending that way. I think people always vote with their feet but maybe there’s a sense on the left of the eventuality of their goals and a sense on the right that it’s “now or never?” As a conservative myself I’d try to flatter my side by saying were bigger on devolving more autonomy to local levels, so the libs of Asheville or Atlanta don’t feel the pressure of their state laws quite as strict, but I know that’s not true… Might be as simple as living in a purple area has its pluses, plenty of people hold their nose to live in a place that’s more affordable.

@executivecarrot3420

9 күн бұрын

Hello? I'd like to to inform you of CHAZ, Seattle, where by violence and complete intolerance of not anything extreme left, large groups of people ANNEXED several districts in the City, (even though a lot of them didn't live there) and declared complete independence from the United States. It took armed force to restore those districts.

“Democracy doesn’t work but I won’t vote out the people who don’t do their job”

6:52 It's worrying that you're expecting your granddaughters will need abortions... Why are you not concerned about what's going on in their lives if they would get to the stage of needing/wanting that?

@PendeltonWhiskey

8 күн бұрын

you think you have the right to dictate to woman what happens to their own bodies. You are a disgrace

this sounds like a abusive relationship

@PendeltonWhiskey

10 күн бұрын

don't worry, the clowns with the cap guns aren't going anywhere. Greater Idaho is a farce

It Called "Living in a Democracy", where the most votes win, at least in theory (Gerrymandering😡). While these people in the rural east may not like it, the basic facts are that the urban areas are simply outvoting them, containing ~two-thirds of the State's population. Besides, it's not like the Eastern Oregonians are the only group in this quandary of being "trapped" in a State where the majority rule is antithetical to their own personal politics. I'm certain all those Democratic Voters living in Liberal Islands like Austin, TX loved have their Rights & Options for Reproductive Healthcare curtailed or eliminated by the Conservative Majority, just as an example.

@willieclark2256

13 күн бұрын

People can move. Farms and towns cannot.

@kmarks97236

12 күн бұрын

Funny you mentioned Austin. They passed an ordinance to require extra breaks for people working outside when the temperature was over a certain temperature and the state legislature passed a law blocking such ordinances just to own liberal Austin.

@bobfaam5215

12 күн бұрын

Military is overwhelming Rural Wyte and Urbsn working class Wytes . Don’t forget that . Also these people are most heavily armed . They can easily capture the country by force .

@nikhilnewse3318

11 күн бұрын

@@willieclark2256 That guy looks like an Antifa Communist from Portland.

@dylankersten3383

10 күн бұрын

​@@bobfaam5215whatever makes you sleep at night kid.

So the Austin, Houston and Dallas-Fort Worth areas can separate from Texas. Right? How about having better policies and ideas that will give you power within the state you are in. America as a whole is gerrymandered in favor of rural Republican voters where conservatives are over represented in our local and state governments even in Congress.

But do they really need to join Idaho? They can’t just make a new state (“Lincoln”) with eastern Washington? Jefferson needs to be its own state as well.

Here’s an idea: Why not have gun control in the cities and no gun control in the rural counties? The vast majority of rural conservatives haven't been near a city for generations, so what's the problem?

@equinox2655

7 күн бұрын

Ur still taking away the rights of conservatives in cities.

@austinyoung9875

5 күн бұрын

I'm a rural American that lives an hour from Rochester and Buffalo we have to go to Rochester sometimes for important things

@PendeltonWhiskey

5 күн бұрын

you dullards never run out of dopey and unconstitutional ideas

@PendeltonWhiskey

4 күн бұрын

@@equinox2655 You say your rights are important but you're a complete hypocrite. You think you have the right to force women to have rapists babies. You hate freedom

Some of the most articulate Americans I’ve ever seen.

@AliDixon95

14 күн бұрын

By talking utter shite?

I bet there's a lot of LEAD in those wells.

Do it. Leave.

*The eastern Oregonians seek to reduce the number of Electoral College electors that blue-state Oregon has, and increase the number of Electoral College electors that red state Idaho has, to thereby increase the chance that Republicans win the presidency.* These people must be resisted.

@charlieread2097

13 күн бұрын

Or, they actually want to have representation on government which fptp denies them. Pretty reasonable. You’d probably all be much happier with some decentralisation. Anything to circumvent the American cold civil war.

@benlas5817

13 күн бұрын

god forbid normal americans voices are heard and not drowned out by the communist hive mind that occupies Portland

@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986

13 күн бұрын

Arguably any secession or split of any state would result in this. If a large conservative state like Texas split up some its current electoral votes would go to the new liberal smaller states as well.

@igorlopes7589

13 күн бұрын

???? They just want to have their votes counted. Eastern Oregon is already Red, they would just be inside a State that actually votes with them

@vedacarmony5754

11 күн бұрын

That’s why the Electoral College must go away.

It sounds like what happened in California

You gotta love that cowboy style!

@PendeltonWhiskey

7 күн бұрын

They aren't cowboys, they're fat old men playing dress-up and pretending to be cowboys by shooting cap pistols. They wouldn't even know how to get on a horse

The USA is a Constitutional Republic

@PendeltonWhiskey

5 күн бұрын

Not so Ivan, the USA is a DEMOCRATIC Constitutional Republic which is a Representative DEMOCRACY. Now go tell that to the other trolls in your Moscow troll farm

There are plenty of examples already of communities doing whatever they want when it comes to law, take California allowing illegals in, or Texas allowing silencers, or Oregon legalizing all hard drugs, all of these places violated federal law and did whatever they wanted so there is plenty of precedent for doing that already

@user-bl4fj7qp8r

2 күн бұрын

Very true, many states with their local governances will use sleazy tactics to get what they want.

Do they want to keep things "like the old days" before white settlement? Or the "like the old days" after white settlement?

@tomcarl8021

9 күн бұрын

Clearly they mean after. And you would prefer it, as well.

@mikeferrini8884

9 күн бұрын

@@tomcarl8021 as a native, no I woudn't but thanks for whitesplainin' your views.

@tomcarl8021

9 күн бұрын

@@mikeferrini8884 You're welcome. Enjoy the internet, and modern life, thanks to us.

@theforcedmemefilthypapist2892

8 күн бұрын

"As a native"... oh boy like I'm sorry your ancestors didn't develop the technology needed to fend off the Europeans. Now calm down and go take some percs

@seankingwell3692

6 күн бұрын

So you want tribal warfare? over 400 years of Iroquois' butchering taking slaves etc to bad the white man had to stop them from selling each other. We even fed the children left orphaned by the tribal wars.

IMO, these people think the constitution gives people that sit on the most land more rights. Even though the constitution is WE THE PEOPLE. Get more people to occupy that land and they could run the state of Oregon and push their policies. That is how our government works.

I think this is a problem in Canada too. I live in a part of the city and most of my issues are not being addressed by local politicians. I myself am considering going to rural Alberta if that's what it takes when they separate.

All well and good but states are not so easily divisible, so this will never happen

@adamheuer8502

9 күн бұрын

Yeah because people like you demand that everyone do what you want

@PendeltonWhiskey

9 күн бұрын

@@adamheuer8502 need a tissue?

@YorktownUSA

7 күн бұрын

It's happened before.