The way they planned it reminds me of Guardians of the Galaxy: “I have a plan...I have, part of a plan...12% of a plan”

@edmontonboy99

4 жыл бұрын

12 percent? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!

@colleenross8752

4 жыл бұрын

But that 12% of a plan actually worked

@David-gj9qr

4 жыл бұрын

Colleen Ross yes well unfortunately in this case it having 12 percent of a plan didn’t work

@gamestation2690

4 жыл бұрын

It's okay for a movie series to make changes along the way, just as George Lucas himself did in the first 6 films.

@koloth5139

4 жыл бұрын

@@gamestation2690 That would be fine if there was a clear plan through the Disney films. But it is clear in The Last Jedi that there was no plan from the start. And Rise of Skywalker makes it completely clear that not only was there no plan but instead of sticking to their guns and moving forward with what they had they were just going to try to appease the fans. Love or hate The Last Jedi Johnson made the film he wanted to make and damned the consequences. But Abrams didn't make Rise of Skywalker the film he wanted to make. He made the film he thought fans wanted.

Number one reason for me. They obviously didn’t have a 3 movie plan. How could you not plan this out.

@saadakramsq8853

4 жыл бұрын

the original trilogy was not planned either & worked

@countdooku7152

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t think the OT not being “planned” doesn’t apply here. That was a completely different time. That was before Star Wars had developed a deep mythology and lore. Now, planning is everything.

@saadakramsq8853

4 жыл бұрын

@Rosencrantz ahh i see

@heathhersom6579

4 жыл бұрын

Haha who buys a franchise for 4 billion dollars and DOESN'T plan its 3 most important movies. If Kathleen Kennedy was a man she would've been fired a LONG time ago.

@iceman00behave

4 жыл бұрын

@@saadakramsq8853 It may not have been fully planned out, but it was still one man's vision. With the sequel trilogy, there were too many people making creative decisions. Last Jedi disregards plot threads from Awakens, and Rise of Skywalker has to improvise and finish the trilogy, without breaking continuity. It's like the world's most expensive improv story, as JJ and Rian go back and forth. To do that with one of the biggest IP's of all time is ludicrous.

John Campea whispering "Ben" will haunt my dreams tonight.

@JT-Rebel

4 жыл бұрын

Someone whispering "Ben" to you when your name is Matt, hell yea that'll haunt you

It's so funny how this video starts so formally and then John gets exponentially angry as the video goes on.

@nabetse1999

4 жыл бұрын

@@WitnessThis1000 I wasn't trying to be misleading it's just that halfway through the video his voice starts to shift and you can hear him getting upset as he reads the points he has written down, but it's true that he doesn't get close to ranting

@oneopinion6806

4 жыл бұрын

He seems clear and in control of his reasons, not exponentially angry at all. For a reference on how that looks go watch the Campea show he recently did on RBats comments about working out (or not) during the pandemic. Rob just sat there stunned while Campea truly got the flywheel spinning.

@caineblackknife2443

4 жыл бұрын

He gets marginally more angry, not exponentially.

@mat3714

2 жыл бұрын

It mimics my feelings as the sequels went on.... and mine were exponential.

The most impressive thing about this Disney Trilogy is someone got payed to write these films.

@skeezymike2305

4 жыл бұрын

payed lol....

@aidanhamilton321

4 жыл бұрын

What writing I don’t see it must just be me

@KaizerSozaye

4 жыл бұрын

Screw Kathleen Kennedy

@reillyliner

4 жыл бұрын

It’s unbelievable. The old school Zahn books were waaay better than what Disney made, and I thought the Zahn books were just your average fantasy.

@jeffscotcarey

4 жыл бұрын

Well, for Rise of Skywalker, people got paid.... but there were no writers involved.

Three words: LACK. OF. PLANNING. That's why I can't see any of the sequels as an individual film, the entire trilogy failed as a whole.

@Calypsotheseagodess

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly, TLJ did feel in line with TFA. TROS was really the only one that had no planning whatsoever. It’s why TROS doesn’t exist in my head.

@larrykenobi5423

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve spent way too much time thinking about this and up till a week ago, I would have agreed with you. My new opinion is this: Three words: LACK. OF. PURPOSE. There’s a big difference. Any amount of research will tell you the original trilogy, the prequels, the mandalorian and many a beloved classic film had NO cohesive plan. But they had a PURPOSE. A why. A destination in mind. A reason for telling the story. A statement of some kind. An idea to be built upon and expanded. My current theory is: Original Trilogy: Purpose in mind- excellent execution. Prequel trilogy: purpose in mind- flawed execution Sequel trilogy: No purpose in mind - excellent execution That’s why the prequel trilogy is still beloved despite having some awkward execution. George was writing them on the fly. He didn’t have them all written out in advance. But it was always clear what it was about. How a good kid can go bad. A tragedy. Original trilogy was the heroes journey. And the sequels- though beautifully shot and acted - have no real purpose. What are they about?

@Calypsotheseagodess

4 жыл бұрын

Larry Kenobi I almost agree with you. I think TFA & TLJ did have a purpose in exploring the galaxy after the OT and how the big evil you defeat will still inspire other evils. The problem is that TROS destroyed the story and everything the movies were going for. It’s why I don’t consider TROS as part of the ST. But I do think you have a point. The prequels had a point even if they were horrible at it. And TROS has no purpose other than just destroying everything that came before.

@larrykenobi5423

4 жыл бұрын

Indiana Solo maybe you’re right. I liked TFA and TLJ but tros has really soured me on the whole thing. I think TLJ had a clear purpose and theme as a film. The clearest of all the Disney era. But maybe I expected that to be built upon to a glorious crescendo in the third film, revealing a well foreshadowed destination that brings the three movies together and gives them a reason for existing together as a trilogy. But that clearly didn’t happen. I’m curious how these films will age

@gamestation2690

4 жыл бұрын

A movie series doesn't necessarily NEED planning in order to work, you know.

They brought palpatine back, just to kill him off after a 5 minute fight. They didnt even bother to build him up over the 3 sequel films... If they planted more clearer seeds in the force awakens, started to reveal the stakes and palpatine in the last jedi ... Then the climax would be more satisfying in Rise of skywalker. ALSO!... They missed out BIG time on the Anakin story line

@bossfire2515

4 жыл бұрын

This just shows how lazy Hollywood and Disney are today. They like to put political nonsense in the well known franchises and it’s so frustrating. We came here to be entertained, not to be brainwashed.

@metallicnole4514

4 жыл бұрын

It was clear they had no plans to use palpatine to begin with. It was clear they had no plans for the trilogy whatsoever. The worst thing they did was let rian Johnson write the script for TLJ with no oversight at all. Everything went downhill from there.

@OrtegaSeason

4 жыл бұрын

MetallicNole@ I think TLJ sucks to, but come on. The writing in this trilogy was bad from the opening crawl of TFA. None of the people involved in the writing of any of these films are good story tellers.

@Kayoss13212

4 жыл бұрын

IMO. I feel like maybe Palpathine could’ve still been the overall villain. Like maybe they could’ve said that a secret apprentice or an imperfect clone of Palpathine is trying to bring back him back, but as a perfect clone. They could’ve said the Palpathine killed the Cloners from Episode 2, and that’s why they can’t create a perfect clone. Maybe the new trilogy could’ve been to stop a perfect Palpathine clone from coming back 🤷🏻‍♂️ at least it wouldn’t dismiss Anakins and Luke’s sacrifice.

@magiccitymelkite6161

4 жыл бұрын

JJ Abrams did not expect Rian Johnson to kill Snoke. If Snoke was not dead there would be no need to bring back the Emperor.

So you pay over 4 billion for a IP and then "not have a plan"

This movie was the equivalent of a student doing all of a project the night before it was due for the presentation. It just felt like a bunch of procrastination without rhyme or reason.

@oneopinion6806

4 жыл бұрын

Hey I hit Spell Check before I turned it in, that counts as a 2nd draft, right?

@Yic17Studio

4 жыл бұрын

Or maybe the student prepared for it but someone bullied them into doing something completely different.

Hey John I think this trilogy was doomed to go downhill years ago by the decisions Disney made before TFA. Star Wars strength before was strong, creative, mythological stories and world building. In the past there was always a good story core even when the execution was flawed. Disney decided not to put story first, they decided it was a formula like any summer action flick. They had a whole galaxy of possibilities for different wars, different politics, inter-species conflict, exploring the Force, exploring the growing pains of the new Jedi Order etc. They needed to first hire good authors, write compelling new stories and only then give it to movie directors. It actually would have been both more creative and safer for them to write a new story; a new adventure, a new threat to the galaxy that our heroes (both old and new) have to face. The characters could have gone on that new adventure and the audience would have been intrigued and compelled. Instead they abandoned the spirit of fantasy / sci-fi world building and retconned the previous story / character arcs in order to rehash them. So the first order replaces the empire as oppressive regime. StarKiller base replaces the death star. Snoke/Palps play the same story role as the emperor did before. Droid on the run with secret data again. So BB8 replaces R2D2. Anakin is not really the chosen one we are told. Han Solo's character arc regressed back to a smuggler in debt. The Jedi order fails in the exact same way again, one boy turns dark and destroys it all. So Kylo replaces Anakin. Grand Jedi Master goes into exile again except this time he goes to die, so Luke replaces Yoda. In repeating these plots they undermined the story arcs of the OT and the PT. One example is the previous arc about the fall of the Jedi, how the Jedi went wrong, how Qui Gon was the purest Jedi and how he eventually from the afterlife led Yoda/Obiwan on the right path during their solitude, which allowed them to train Luke better; he was asked to pass on what he had learned. But disney tells us he failed just like the previous jedi council so that story arc is also invalidated. The audience subconsciously senses this lack of creative inspiration. It's a complete immersion buster when we realize that the new movies don't really have a story to tell and are just trying to contrive a plot to justify their existence. The audience then loses the sense of wonder that comes with good fantasy / sci-fi. Nothing has any emotional weight from the star destroyers to the lightsaber battles. It all feels so shallow. Like the creators are trying to dupe us into caring by surface level stuff and nostalgia.

@joehenry9546

4 жыл бұрын

More people need to read Hum Bug’s post. He absolutely nails it!

@TheNamekianClown

4 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, but there's one big thing about all of it. All the things you blame on "them", that "they" did in your 3rd paragraph... the "they" here is JJ. Of course they did hire him, and probably did so based on his safe sounding pitch, but at the end of the day it was still *his* safe sounding pitch. This is why I feel we will be seeing a course correction. We have seen it a bit with Clone Wars season 7 and The Mandalorian already. They realized they screwed up and are now putting these more original stories on a higher pedestal than they have been for TRoS.

@tracy2539

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you 100%. And if they were going to use the former cast members, at least dont wreck what was already established and solved at the end of ROTJ. They had nothing new to say, while killing off the entire Skywalker family. Like, what a downer.

@Voicewav

4 жыл бұрын

The last ones weren't terrible. They just needed more white dudes looking cooler than everyone else. Then it would have been much much better. I think thats the main reason people loosing their &@%#. On a subconscious level. People are taking it too seriously. We are adults. Yoda (in Empire) waiting for kids to save the galaxy hiding on a swamp planet is really really effed up and moronic. But I didnt care when i was 11. Mother on the other hand poked holes all in it. Because she was old...... like John.

@Arjun-eb1yc

4 жыл бұрын

@@tracy2539 Exactly. They failed to understand that while people love the legacy characters they did want to see new adventures for them. Not to see the previous stories arcs get retconned. What an opportunity they had with Luke, Leia and Han. Imagine if somebody told you at the time of the acquisition that the way disney would use the grand jedi master Luke Skywalker was to give him no speaking role in the first movie and dupe the audience into getting hyped for his return in the next, before killing him off on an island and that he never turns on his lightsaber, never flies his x-wing, never is shown with a padawan relationship, never engages in diplomacy or any jedi business. Oh and his personality is rewritten. It feels like disney did not know they had gold in their hands with these characters and thought they could easily replicate what George did.

I'd rather just pretend these last 3 episodes never happened.

@joehenry9546

4 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly what I’m doing. It’s easy to forget them if you don’t own any copies of them, and you pretend they don’t exist.

@thomas8431

4 жыл бұрын

This. The Disney Trilogy is incredibly bad. It's shocking just how awful it all turned out. In the end, the Disney Trilogy was a pointless, mean-spirited, ill-conceived corporate cash grab.

@G360LIVE

4 жыл бұрын

I don't. I very much recognize their existence. The only way to learn from mistakes is to acknowledge them. The Sequels are badly written films, and that should be acknowledged. At the same time, and more difficult for some Star Wars fans, The Prequels should also be acknowledged as badly written. We can't learn if we don't recognize. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to watch The Last Jedi for entertainment purposes, but in the future, I may watch it again just to really break it down and learn from it. I broke down The Phantom Menace recently and wrote pages of notes about how nothing in the movie makes sense, even though I do occasionally watch The Phantom Menace for its entertainment value. This is why I don't look down on anyone who enjoys The Sequels or The Mandalorian. If you're entertained, that's great, but they should be seen for what they are, which is badly written.

@geekinitwithjimclassic8240

4 жыл бұрын

As far as I'm concerned The Force Awakens and Rogue One can hang out with the Star Wars movies. TLJ and TROS can just fade away...

@aBerlin1945

4 жыл бұрын

The only problem with that is... they wasted luke, han, leia and lando irl.

A big mistake was scrapping the Treverrow script. That script looked superb, had politics, an intriguing plot AND it followed on from The Last Jedi so would have felt more cohesive

@Amonkai

4 жыл бұрын

It's really sad because that one had so much

@narenbaradwaj5058

4 жыл бұрын

Yes it honoured TLJ and its plot and even corrected some of its mistakes

@nikunjdixit3225

4 жыл бұрын

Well, they would have had to change quite a bit of it anyways given Carrie Fisher’s death.

@brandonkylemarks

4 жыл бұрын

@MasterOnion North poor Daisy was told by JJ during TFA that Rey had no blood relation to anybody, must've been gutting when the guy who invented her character from scratch then completely changes his plan for the last movie.

@Fr0stbit3_

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget it had PT Easter eggs

Audience: Why is Palpatine back? Disney: Just because

@georgesanchez4075

4 жыл бұрын

Disney: SHUT UP AND GIVE ME YOUR MONEY!!!

@Noobmaster-hx4fx

4 жыл бұрын

‘’Somehow...Palpatine has returned’’

@7hew0lv3r1ne

4 жыл бұрын

@@Noobmaster-hx4fx one of many dreadful lines in that movie

@patrickbarnes9462

4 жыл бұрын

Disney: "You have to read the $300 of tie-in materials we published after the movie, DUUHH!!!"

@Kratosx23

4 жыл бұрын

UNLIMITED DESPERATION!!!!!

I hate all of the three sequel films 😂

@mesharialghanem3293

4 жыл бұрын

you are truly strong with the force

@spideysg1163

4 жыл бұрын

Good

@viewer7179

4 жыл бұрын

Good I can feel your angah

@patrickbernard6640

4 жыл бұрын

Good Anakin.... good... **Sidious voice**

@KaizerSozaye

4 жыл бұрын

They never happened

The whole sequel trilogy just didn’t work

@cosmiclore5570

4 жыл бұрын

it's like dceu failure. No plan

@sanguinius_yt

4 жыл бұрын

NormaLee Both started with great movies. Man Of Steel is the most underrated superhero movie ever. Force awakens was good. Then they went to shit. Wonder Woman and aqua man and Shazam where good movies though.

@KaizerSozaye

4 жыл бұрын

This sequel trilogy never happened

@TheMeanArena

4 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed it.

@ilbftman

4 жыл бұрын

Yes it sucked and so many deleted scenes and sequences removed because of Kennedy. The wrong director was chosen and should have been a Single director with a clear story arc. Might as well have hired David Lynch :) : D

Rogue one was my favorite and The Force Awakens was a good start but fizzled out after that.

@erwinmatic5062

4 жыл бұрын

My raction to the Force Awakens, Another Death Star? sigh

@teddkave327

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry, but to me, Rogue One is without a doubt, the WORST of the Disney era Star Wars films.

All I remember from this garbage was the guy next to me saying ‘really’ every 10 minutes - stupid scene after stupid scene

@richardsears4811

4 жыл бұрын

AG Systems120 sorry about that

@kossend1

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardsears4811 It may have been me actually. I won't apologise though.

Those are not nitpicks for me, they're deal breakers.

@neosoontoretro

4 жыл бұрын

Actually, a lot them were nitpicks. But we live in a time where excessive nitpicks are consider "valid criticism".

@neosoontoretro

4 жыл бұрын

@@WitnessThis1000 Hmmm sure, not all of them were nitpick just that most of them were nitpicks. But even the ones that wasn't stem from fundamental misunderstanding of what the sequel trilogy was about. Not saying, there isn't any valid criticism against TROS. But I do think the weakest points against episode nine tend to be the most popular.

@neosoontoretro

4 жыл бұрын

@@WitnessThis1000 Rey's origin being a walkback from the first two films. Kylo's redemption not being hinted in previous films, etc.

@neosoontoretro

4 жыл бұрын

@@WitnessThis1000 Er, during the fight with Kylo in TFA. Rey's fighting style was similar to that of Palpatine. And in TLJ, Rey is clearly drawn to the darkside of the force. So no, Rey's origin reveal is not a walkback. In fact, there were more hints to Rey being Palps granddaughter than Leia being Luke's long lost twin sister.

@christech5768

4 жыл бұрын

@@neosoontoretro You are so right about this. The problem with toxic fandom now is that they take their own interpretation of one detail and make this massive backstory or perception of it that they get pissed off about when the actual creators of the story do something different. I can't stand it. But I can get it. The Luke/Leia relationship was supposed to be romantic, then suddenly they are brother and sister didn't sit well with me at the time and I was only 11. The Clone Wars not being exactly what I had spent 20 years building up in my head, was a bit disappointing but I never really solidified what I thought it was supposed to be, so okay. But we get what we get and we should take it with stride, and not whine on and on and on about it. And like you proved, here, usually people are just plain wrong. There are so many things in RoS they make actual sense, are not backtracks in any way, and fully support TLJ rather than tear it down. But all those fans say we are wrong even though the evidence is right there in the films, so much so, a child can even see it. And maybe that's the disconnect most people have all along. We were never supposed to outthink Star Wars, but always let it be exactly what it is.

JJ really blew up the new trilogy because of his “mystery and secrecy” the force awakens is a pretty basic Star Wars movie nothing new we’ve seen and the Rise of Skywalker really blew it up.

@sp1011

4 жыл бұрын

Keep him away from D.C properties.

@robertphillips328

4 жыл бұрын

The writing was truly terrible. Jeffrey is a great producer, but a terrible writer.

@brendanhiggins3442

4 жыл бұрын

The last fecking jedi blew it and danced on it grave nothing could fix it and any good ideas they had that idiot kennedy would not allow her agenda came first.

@The_Fat_Fury

3 жыл бұрын

No, that would be Rian Johnson.

When your film is devoid of heart and has a story that’s driven by marketing and fan service rather than character development or themes, then your film will be a failure no matter what.

@jean-paulschembri1168

4 жыл бұрын

Endgame was full of fan service, but it also had heart and emotion. I really hate that fan service has become this dirty word. You can give the fans what they want, but also do it in a way that makes sense and serves the story well.

@farrelmukhesh

4 жыл бұрын

That too only fan service toward the orginals n ignorance towards the overarching lores n themes set up by the prequels.... this trilogy was almost done hating everything abt the prequels...n thts where u end up

@tnertsuntan8944

4 жыл бұрын

Fan service itself isn't a bad thing. Fan service in a BAD movie however is another story.

@myfilms999

4 жыл бұрын

@The Dude Abides Rian Johnson's film was full of heart, didn't rely on fan service, and had a story driven by character development and themes

@franesustic988

4 жыл бұрын

Rian Johnson did a deconstruction.. within a story you are deconstructing, not sure if it is the peak of stupidity or arrogance on their part.

JJ Abrams should've directed all 3 movies to begin with. IMO Force Awakens was a good movie, but episode 8 & 9 were okay. Disney should have stuck to one director's vision.

@Noobmaster-hx4fx

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but he’s always been too chicken to see a project through. I can’t remember the last time he fully told a cohesive story. But then again I haven’t seen every single one of his movies

@eagc7

4 жыл бұрын

Thing is that JJ Abrams couldnt do the entire trilogy due to an existing deal with Paramonut

@mattmcclain7419

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I’ve never understood having a franchise under the watch and care of different people. I immediately thought after seeing 7 that I hoped 8 was filmed right after because the continuity was going to be wrong if they picked up where they left off.

@dexterisgreatnessxxx4899

4 жыл бұрын

Jj can’t write to save his life he’s very generic Kasdan and Terrio aren’t creative. Terrio and Kasdan are known to funnel Zack Snyder’s and Lucas ideas to paper. Jj Abrams needs someone like Damon Lindelof to hold him through because he’s an actual creative writer that works well with Jj

@heathhersom6579

4 жыл бұрын

Funny how the only "good" Disney movie was basically a carbon copy of "A New Hope" not trying to argue im just saying. Anything actually original they tried to do was garbage. Except Rogue One that was solid.

I didn’t like any of the Disney era saga films, but love Rogue One and Solo.

@robinhorst706

4 жыл бұрын

Same though I initially liked the Force Awakens.

@begobolehsjwjangan2359

4 жыл бұрын

rogue one is great, solo is good but the actor, he cant do harrison ford. he is a good actor but seeing him force himself into harrison's solo is cringy. i blame the casting director.

@nikunjdixit3225

4 жыл бұрын

Jagoan Neon nobody can do Harrison Ford. I mean, you either are able to look past that or not but I think Alden did the best anyone can really do but Harrison is blessed with natural charm and charisma that few others have.

@kyle857

4 жыл бұрын

Rouge One is Decent. Solo is at least not offensively bad.

@sm4carnageihope

4 жыл бұрын

Rogue One was OK, lacked any characters to care about the mission. Solo was crap, boring and shoved everything important in his life into one week. As for the trilogy, I liked Force Awakens upon release because I thought it was a good set up for later stories. The Last Jedi was betrayal and the Rise of Skywalker was a disaster.

When Anakin build C3P-0, he programmed it to not understand Sith. 😂

@McHaro0079

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think he needed to write something that's that low level. You don't write a Weblogic app by writing Weblogic from scratch. There may had protocol module you could buy to plug it in your droid I suppose, which could come with 'directives' like Robocop. 😅

@matthewheywood8532

4 жыл бұрын

How would Anakin even know about sith language to program him to understand it but be forbidden to translate

@clay25420

4 жыл бұрын

scrambles code making sith unintelligible to 3PO... Regardless of what language they are speaking.. Canon fo' sho

@Enzo012

3 жыл бұрын

C3P0 was a standard protocol droid so Anakin must have just assembled him from a kit or he found him in a scrap heap somewhere.

But John, you're forgetting that the reveal of Palpatine's return was a live event in fortnite (I kid you not)

@tylersmith4052

4 жыл бұрын

I heard about that after I saw the movie and I just wanted to bang my head against a wall

@bossfire2515

4 жыл бұрын

😶😐😑🤦‍♂️

@DollopWise

4 жыл бұрын

The dead speak in a video game.

@lennyztrobos8678

3 жыл бұрын

@@DollopWise Genius!! It is now head canon that Palpatine announced his return on a live fortnite event.

It feels more like 5 years from The Rise of Skywalker...

@Calypsotheseagodess

4 жыл бұрын

Quarantine does some screwed up things to time.

I dislike all three of the sequel films especially 8 and 9.

@ZR38315

4 жыл бұрын

8s actually good when you view it on its own merits

@shimazutoyohisa2382

4 жыл бұрын

@@ZR38315 NO

@wizdumbbk

4 жыл бұрын

@@ZR38315 View it on its own merits? you mean you view it as if it has nothing to do with episode 1-7? Well I guess season 8 of game of throne is good if you ignore seasons 1-7 too.

@Calypsotheseagodess

4 жыл бұрын

wizdumbbk actually watching 8 with the context of the other films makes it all the better.

@wizdumbbk

4 жыл бұрын

@@Calypsotheseagodess No, nothing makes it better. Episode 7,8 and 9 don't make sense at all in the context of the other films. They should never have been made.

John, you’re being too kind when you say your complaints are “nitpicking”, they’re not, they’re glaring plot holes or bad writing. I also don’t feel you need to constantly say “it’s ok if you like it though”, but I understand in this society you probably do to save yourself a big headache. TROS is an objectively bad movie. The storytelling is poor at best, the plot is nonsensical, the main cast has very little chemistry and argue with each other more than anything, and to nitpick myself, the style of humor is very modern and not SW at all. Light speed travel has also been confusingly changed in all 3 of these movies, as you pour out, hyperspace is now instant, and has been since the end of TFA when Rey travels to find Luke. I was a fan of TLJ, and I was meh on TFA, but they still felt like Star Wars to me. TROS is so bad that it undoes any good in those movies, it’s so bad that it makes me want to not watch those 2 anymore because I know where they lead. It’s the opposite of the prequels where I like 1 on a good day, 2 is objectively also bad, but I know that they’re leading to 3, which I absolutely love, so 3 lifts those up a little, as IMO the Clone Wars animated series lifts up all the prequels some. And as bad as AoTC is, I would argue that at the very least the story makes sense and is easy enough to follow. TROS on the other hand is so bad, I have to throw out the term I often see for it, fan fiction. It’s so bad, on almost every single level, from plot, “twists”, cast chemistry, action (the space battle is bland, and the lightsaber battles are just Rey and Kylo banging away with their lightsabers with little to no drama, Finn chasing after screaming “REY!” repeatedly, etc.) that it makes the other 2 Disney sequels pointless for me. I now pretend that they aren’t canon, because I find I just enjoy SW more that way. TROS to me is the worst SW movie ever, I’d rather watch Solo or AoTC, because while they might not be great, they don’t leave me constantly rolling my eyes and laughing at the ridiculousness of what I’m seeing.

Leia : Ben... Kylo: WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!?

@oneopinion6806

4 жыл бұрын

Got to wonder, would she feel bad knowing it got him gutted? Or was she hoping Rey would cut him down and then patch him right back up again.

@Meganelsonator

4 жыл бұрын

This film was written by the same guy

@phantomfire8228

4 жыл бұрын

Save Beeeeeen soloooooo !!!

The best part of the film was the Tenet Prologue.

Reason No 1 = Horrid franchise direction by Kathleen Kennedy.... From not having a laid out plan for a trilogy to hiring directors with different vision for the franchise in a same 3 film trilogy. The Emperor was used to fill in the role that Snook had.... Rian Johnson screwed it up which brings me to Exhibit No 2 for the failure of not just Rise of Skywalker but the entire sequel trilogy.... The Last Jedi..... But i digress continue on John. Continue on....

@SmartypantsTutoring

4 жыл бұрын

That’s the problem. Snoke is Emperor 2.0. Why does Snoke have to last till the 3rd film? Fan: well because we need someone for Kylo to redeem himself against. Yea but why does Kylo need to be redeemed? I’m glad that Snoke was killed because he wasn’t interesting Just an evil dude who sits in a chair. Emperor wasn’t a deep character with an elaborate backstory in Return of the Jedi. He was essentially a vehicle/plot service for Vader’s redemption. This time around Snoke is a plot device for Kylo’s further descent into the darkness. This is why I wish he wasn’t redeemed and it was just the main villain in the last one. There are no set of rules. I mean did you really want Kylo to throw Snoke down a hole? Is that what this new trilogy is all about? Just reminding of you stuff from the original trilogy. Now what we get is even worse. Because angry fans wanted Kylo to redeem himself in the 3rd one cause that is what Vader did, we bring back Palpatine and partially negate Vader’s sacrifice. You wanna know what J.J’s plan was for Snoke? Nothing. No big elaborate backstory and even there was it was gonna be disappointing. He gave ya a backstory. Now you know he’s a clone. Not very interesting huh? I’m sorry but anyone who hears enough interviewers can see that Johnson is far more knowledgeable about film that Abrams. Abrams just spent most of his time rewatching Spielberg and Lucas’ earlier films in the 70s and 80s and understood them on the most superficial level. He doesn’t have an original bone in his body.,

@aeroslayer7676

4 жыл бұрын

SmartypantsTutoring I agree about JJ. Hell I’ve hated all of the movies thus far. It seemed like I was the only one that didn’t like The Force Awakens when it came out because to me, it was just a recreation of the past movies(way too much in fact). The reason I hated the movies all together was that I grew up a Star Wars nerd that read a lot of the extended universe material. I would’ve been much more interested in a story that was similar to that of Jacen and Jana solo, along with Anakin solo.

@shimazutoyohisa2382

4 жыл бұрын

@@SmartypantsTutoring I would have prefered if Kylo died by Snooke's hands in the final confrontation with maybe him saving Rey. Similar to the Spider Man 3 fight between Spider Man and Harry Osborne vs Venom... And yes before you say it i detest that film due to its untapped potential and horrid execution but that is another way for a character to gain redeption. In his final death. But not vs Palpatine that ship had sailed. It should have been vs Snook or another big bad...

@shimazutoyohisa2382

4 жыл бұрын

@@aeroslayer7676 I also disliked The Force Awakens but i detested The Last Jedi and basically by the time TRoS hit i was ambivilant and was expecting trash and trash is what i got. In order of most dislikes to least disliked i would say TLJ, then TRoS then TFA.... All are bad and imo at the level of the Clone War prequel.... In the gran scope of things and especially story telling wise Phantom Menace and The Revenge of the Sith are miles MILES ahead of the trash that was given to us in the sequel trilogy. Whose fault is this? George Lucas... You sell your property and dont retain majority creative control this is what happens when greedy corporations that dont understand the core of your ideas get the power.

The Rise Of Skywalker was put in a position of following The Last Jedi. One of the big reasons so many people, myself included, were upset at that middle film is due to the second film crushing plot threads and not leaving enough for a third film. So, the third film really feels just tacked on. I don't hate it, I'm just apathetic.

@christophermarabella5683

4 жыл бұрын

Duel Of Fates script proved there was a story to tell after 8

@jasontucker1760

4 жыл бұрын

A plan would have been great, but if RJ would have been as generous to the filmmaker following him as JJ was to him, he would have left some narrative meat on the bone for Ep.9 but he didn't. When you have a team making a trilogy, they have to play like a team.

@randalepical6591

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, Rise of Skywalker also pile on lots of stupid crap on its own too. Like the whole Knight of Ren craps that has nothing to do with Last Jedi, let's not blame all on Last Jedi here. Also Rey been Mary Sue clearly from Force Awakening, she just now extreme Mary Sue, again let's not blame Last Jedi. Also that whole army of Star Destroyers are stupid, again, can't blame Last Jedi on that either.

@TheJediKenneth

4 жыл бұрын

JJ Abrams wanted a 5 hour story told in 2 movies. Kennedy said no. So he made one 3 hours 45 minutes (3:45) movie. JJ cut the movie down to 3:00. Kathleen Kennedy shrunk it to 2:22. It could be JJ and Chris Terrio had a better movie planned.

John i LOVED this video, im kinda tired tbh of star wars talk but when someone so well spoken like you talks abouts film its always a pleasure to hear, i know that you arent a fan of video essays, but i would beg you to make more of these kind of videos, talking about the meaning of certain scenes in certain movies, the magic in vfx, etc... i love all your content, and cant get enough of it

Ben’s path to redemption actually started in The Last Jedi, him deciding he’d make no more sacrifices to Snoke, then messing up, then regretting his actions on Crait - and then letting the Resistance get away, which would have irritated First Order hardliners to no end. Abrams, Terrio, and Trevorrow were handed Ben’s turning point on a silver platter. And they missed it. Also, Ben at no point tried to kill Rey. There were many moments when Rey tired out, he had the advantage, and he just stopped and waited until Rey was back up. Rey was the one initiating all the attacks.

I walked out of the cinema after watching the film and felt I’d had enough of Star Wars. What a waste of talent from the actors to be slotted into a politically focused, forced (no pun intended) and broken story line.

John! love the show. But i disagree about Kylo's redemption. Kylo Killed Han because it was his dark side moment. It was him being an idiot child and proving to the sith leaders that he's a bad dude too. THis was made worse by the fact that he literally worshipped Vader. In that movie he literally says that he feels the light side calling him. At the end of TFA he has a connection to Rey. In TLJ he has a weak moment and cant shoot down Leia and then also has more connections to Rey. He is conflicted. TLJ makes sense. Kylo Ren does not love Luke Skywalker. But that makes sense after he beleived that Luke tried to murder him. I don't agree that Kylo Ren's path to the light "Just happened'. Ren had been deliberately resisting the light the entire time. It has always called to him. but the final straw wasn't Kylo Ren going to the light. IT was Rey killing Kylo Ren (who was distracted because of Leia) that allowed Ben to see the light.

@oneopinion6806

4 жыл бұрын

I think you're being very glass half full on Kylo (which is totally fine to do) but I'd counter he seemed quite comfortable in his dark side rage at the end of Last Jedi. He also jumped on a chance to not attempt to take out the Emperor at the beginning of Rise but instead take him up on his offer of the ruling yada yada. The fact that his change seems to hinge on getting nearly killed and healed again, and then another talking to with memory-dad seems distinctly different from Vader's change which was just as non-verbal and abrupt. The difference was Kylo changed based on things that happened to him, whilst Vader made the decision as he watched something happening to someone else--and chose to finally intervene (we'll forget the "NO!" added.) I think Driver did a great job with the lines and scenes, I merely wish they'd have laid a bit more ground than just him literally saying it out in Force Awakens.

@VonJay

4 жыл бұрын

I actually liked Kylo's stance by the end of the last Jedi as someone who couldn't be redeemed. I was looking forward to him taking on an apprentice and thought that there inclusion of palpatine was unnecessary. They could have went so many different ways with him turning totally dark: knights of Ren and other dark side players hunting down his mother and him having to slaughter them but without going to the light, resistance characters revealed to be sleeper agents, Rey convincingly turning to the dark, etc. I personally believe that JJ has never taken a writing class and that he hired the Justice league writer off of pure incompetence/foresight. And that the inclusion of Palpatine is just his inability to be imaginative and creative and rely on nostalgia.

@larrykenobi5423

4 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t agree more. The only thing planned out and consistently foreshadowed in this trilogy is Bens redemption. It’s hinted at in every episode

@oneopinion6806

4 жыл бұрын

@@larrykenobi5423 Giving you the thumbs up purely on the name. How did it go purchasing some midichloreons?

@sidney765

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe, but then again Kylo is probably the only half decent thing to come out of this abomination of a trilogy.

I don't even recognize the Disney space balls movies!!!!

@Paul07791

4 жыл бұрын

Wait, Spaceballs was good.

In the end, Star Wars is about the Palpatine legacy.

@WillNelson73

4 жыл бұрын

This is actually true. The real "chosen one" is from Palpatine's lineage

@Enzo012

3 жыл бұрын

The Skywalker legacy has not only been wiped out but tarnished and made redundant from history.

As far as Rey's lineage problem, I think it could be resolved with her parents instead being apart of cult who worships the emperor and were hand chosen by palpatine to breed him a new heir/body to transfer himself into. They think his plan is crazy, they escape, try to hide on Jaku but are eventually captured with them leaving Rey and a lie is told about them as space junkies.

Loved this format/styled review! Thank you for making this!! I feel like you read my mind!

This last movie really shows all the cracks of this trilogy imo. You can let some things go with how TFA and TLJ wrap up, but now that we have the all 3 movies, they all feel broken as a whole.

@The_Fat_Fury

3 жыл бұрын

No, I wasn't crazy about TFA but it was just the starting block. TLJ fucked everything up. Thankfully I ended up loving TROS which is a miracle considering how down I was about the new trilogy up to that point.

A festival that occurs every 42 years? A New Hope came out 42 years ago. Am I the only one who got that reference?

@Game1ngAssass1n

4 жыл бұрын

No

@ianharvey4406

4 жыл бұрын

No

@WhiteWolf496

4 жыл бұрын

Nope

@joshhunt4146

4 жыл бұрын

No... no your not

@rittiswelt4287

4 жыл бұрын

Coincidentally the number 42 may also be a reference to "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy".

In all honesty, I would have preferred George’s vision for the sequels, you know that he would have progressed the story and lore.

@linkaran512

4 жыл бұрын

I hope one day his outlines are released.

Why would the emperor reveal he is back before his ships were ready to go? Why wouldn’t he reveal himself as he and his ships destroyed the first planet on his path to dominate the galaxy ? It is stupid writing

I felt like I was taking crazy pills when I saw this in the theaters. Thank goodness there's a KZreadr raging about the expanded mesh of plotholes of which this movie and trilogy was comprised.

I think we need to address the elephant in the room, The Last Jedi. While The Force Awakens left a lot of loose threads for the sequels to follow up on. The Last Jedi tied up all those loose threads, but didn’t create any new ones for the next movie. The Rise of Skywalker was just asked to do too much and the movie suffered for it. You also can’t under estimate how much Carrie Fisher’s death affected the plan. The Rise of Skywalker was supposed to be her movie to shine. Four years into a six year filming sequence and you lose one of your most important characters, how do you recover from that? Had we not lost Carrie Fisher I believe we would have seen a complete and planed out story.

@frangonzalez2376

4 жыл бұрын

I completly disagree. The last jedi was a poor movie on his own and didn’t closed anything. Yeah they stupidly killed snoke, buy left kylo as the new big bad guy so, nothing closed there. Knights of ren were still a mistery tu resolve. Reys linage was still a mistery instead of what kylo said (who would believe him? He is the villain, dah). The rebelion was in their worst moment ever and Rey had the jedi texts. They could had make a lot of things in the last movie that maybe they try, buy they execute as bad as the last jedi. And Carrie’s death afected the movie, but it’s another sign of how bad their planing was. If they would had an structure when Carrie pasted away, they would have said “we need to recast her, our movie structure needs Leia to do specific things in the movie. That was our plan and we stick to it”. Instead, they had no idea of what they where doing for the third movie, even when Carrie was alive, so.. doesn’t change it that much. This franchise was destined to disaster the moment they decide not to plan anything

@yoryteperman429

4 жыл бұрын

As john implied (and I agree with him on that)- jt is not about Carry Fisher's death; it is about an utter lack of planning from way before Carry Fisher died. The whole trilogy was botched by delegating it to different directors. There is no such a tv hing as vision-by-committee. Sfar Wars trilogies have always been in effect a single movie broken into three parts- and they were dome by a single director! Until the last trilogy, of course, which madethem into THREE discrete movies (we don't need to call them a trilogy)- all of this failure of vision landing squarely on Mrs. Kennedy. And most people are not dim and clearly see this. Cheers!

@Pantherblack

4 жыл бұрын

We got a whole script from Colin Trevorrow showing how to pick up the threads from episode 8. And it looked legitimately good. And while I agree Fisher's passing complicates things, if you're intent on making a film, you have to accept the fact she can't figure into it and find another angle. Hamill was still there, after all.

If it were up to me, I would've used a Sith holocron containing Palpatine's essence to bring him back as a spectre or revenant.

@KaizerSozaye

4 жыл бұрын

I’m glad it wasn’t up to you ...

Kylo Ren’s redemption is far from one of the flaws of the movie.

The Planet at the beginning of Rise of Skywalker was Mustafar and the Sith Wayfinder was at Vader's Fortress

Kathleen screwed up big time..... it's a glorious mess

@DerTaran

4 жыл бұрын

harshckuk I think KK is not creative and therefore delegated all this to JJA, who did what he always does, creating a mystery box, without to know how to resolve the mess he creates.

@marywise7418

4 жыл бұрын

she did not mess up.shes doing a terrific job

@harshckuk

4 жыл бұрын

@@DerTaran you should watch video of JJ Abrams at channel Patrick H Willems

@DerTaran

4 жыл бұрын

@@harshckuk Yes, I liked it. I'm a subscriber of PHW's channel and I already watched it some months ago.

Disney's first mistake was remaking a worse version of a New Hope. The second mistake was following that movie up with an even worse movie. The third mistake was managing to make an even worse movie than the previous two.

When Luke died at the end of TLJ maybe Palapatine could've possessed his body, would've been fun to see Mark Hamill get a juicy villain role and would've added a real conflict of feelings as we finally see the full power of Luke but for evil. He'd overpower him in the end obviously.

Great video! Hearing all these different perspectives is more entertaining to me than the films themselves. By the way, "narrative chaos" is a very apt description. I, personally would have preferred to have heard Rey own the Palpatine name in the end. That would have been gutsy. Cheers!

Disney's Log Line: The Force is strong with this one. Everyone Else: That's not how the Force works.

Its kind of ironic that alot of the "nitpicks" John mentions especially about Rey are arguments people have made saying that she is a MarySue. But in the end all the Disney era sequels did was divide a fanbase and ruin a loved franchise.

@gamestation2690

4 жыл бұрын

People used to say that the Prequel Trilogy ruined a loved franchise, and complained about how much George Lucas raped their childhoods. I was there.

I liked Force Awakens, loved Last Jedi. And despised Rise of Skywalker

Cool format! I come across your videos all the time and this is the first time I've seen this. Please do more!

We all know the Skywalker Saga ended in 1983.

@Drewbibski

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Star Wars, Empire and Return are literally the best ones and no star wars movie has surpassed any of them since. Goes to show you how fucked the idea is.

@spideysg1163

4 жыл бұрын

No it didn’t it ended In 2005 and it’s expansive ending is 2019 the true ending is in 2005 tho

@theshakter

4 жыл бұрын

Basically

@Overbound

4 жыл бұрын

@@spideysg1163 It middled in 2005 xD

@comicbookninja5268

4 жыл бұрын

1983, totally agree.

John is now acting like those of us who didn't like the last Jedi

@myfilms999

4 жыл бұрын

He never said that

JJ called it mysteries box, I call it lazy writing

Love this kind of Videos. Hope you do more John.

From what I understand they had a plan for Snoke till Rian decided make Snoke a little less of a man. I think it was a big mistake to let Rian do what ever he wanted and not follow the outline JJ had planned, regardless of if you like TLJ or not. It just made this whole sequal trilogy a mess. Sad I wanted to see more Snoke, knights of Ren, and Rey with a double edged lightsaber like in the art for Duel of the fates. Oh what might have been.

@hennessyapplejuice8331

4 жыл бұрын

People was waiting for a Snoke vs Luke showdown and they shitted on that and killed them both off without them even meeting one another

@marvelprince

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Eckert correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought they couldn’t go through with the original plan due to Carrie Fisher dying? So a change would’ve been necessary regardless.

@douglas4934

4 жыл бұрын

"J.J." and "planned" in the same line. Don't make us laugh.

@rubendacostaesilva8442

4 жыл бұрын

It was lost from the start. JJ just wanted to make a copy of the original trilogy. Snoke the new emperor, Kylo the new Vadder, Rey the new Luke. How about an original story with original characters?

@SmartypantsTutoring

4 жыл бұрын

Did you really think this new trilogy was not a passing of the torch trilogy? I thought we all came into Force Awakens knowing the story was about Rey, Finn, and Poe. What made you think we were getting a Luke vs Snoke showdown?

Did Leia's ghost say "Ben"? I thought she said "Martha".

Thanks for the detailed and thematic review of the issues with TROS.

Oooof!!!!! This was so good!!!! Totally agree with every point made. Thanks John!

I agree with this. It was beautifully made, as all Star Wars movies are. The key issue was the writing. A group of school kids could have done better than this in an afternoon class. The terrible writing made this not just the worst Star Wars movie, but also the worst ending to any major saga of movies in cinematic history.

@The_Fat_Fury

3 жыл бұрын

The WORST Star Wars film?? That's capital.

This is so brilliant and incredibly in-depth.

@fredrickgarrettsr2632

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah the time thing i didn't realize like i did in the last jedi they had hours of fuel left but days seem to pass.

This is a great video. Brilliantly presented and argued. I agree with pretty much everything you said. One of your finest videos, John.

Excellent. The next time someone asks me why I didn’t like this movie, or the whole new trilogy, I will just send them this video!

The whole trilogy failed. People figured that out when they realized Disney didn't even plan the trilogy - Rian tore everything down just to screw with expectations to his pleasure and left nothing to work with in the third movie, causing a third act that was only damage control for a VERY flawed flow. They made their money, but wasted five years of potential, and we were the ones left with nothing in the end.

This is an amazing way to describe a bad movie . Only reason we still talk about such a crappy movie is the Star Wars name!

I love your analysis and insights. Learn so much from you and by watching your John Campea Show on a regular basis. Cheers

I agree with almost all your points. Except, your point about Kylo Ren’s redemption. To me, It was clear that it was coming and it was clear that it was going to be a modern redemption. I feel that you missed all the signs or you thought it was too obvious and convinced yourself otherwise. But “ no one is really gone”. I feel conflicted about the sequel trilogy. It was entertaining, but sad. I walked out of the movie mourning all the dead. I wanted to like it just like I loved episodes 7 and 8, but 9th was just ridiculously fast and hard to enjoy.

Rey was a video game character. Cant remember her taking much damage throughout the trilogy.

@jeremyroberts8822

4 жыл бұрын

She didn’t. She took hardly any damage at all throughout all 3 films lol she pretty much was like an OP videogame character

Love yah John, hope you're doing well.

The elephant in the room here is the lack of acknowledgement that it was Rian Johnson's TLJ that screwed up all these story beats, leaving a near-impossible task with the finale.

John keeps saying Endor, but it's actually Kef Bir. Also, Ben's struggle with the light and redemption has been set in place since The Force Awakens. It's been there in a subtle way, but it's always been there. Ben has always retained a special connection with his mother from the time he was in her womb (i.e. Aftermath trilogy).

The single greatest video you have ever done John. I tip my hat to you!

Rouge One is Only one That I Care the most form Disney

@jtcaseyjr

4 жыл бұрын

Same. Rogue one is the only Disney era Star Wars movie that I have enjoyed. Truth is, I'm not sure how much I would have enjoyed it though with out the Vader scenes. Vader just pulled it together for me in that movie.

@Benjamin_Gilbert-Lif

4 жыл бұрын

Jim Casey I think it’s the last 8 minutes in general as soon as the last song from the score starts the tone and cinematography change to be more somber and it’s just a great well put together ending

@Kevmaster2000

4 жыл бұрын

Rogue One is actually the only one I don’t like and I’m not just saying that to be stubborn.

@John Campea, really well thought out video.

You rock John! Even when you trigger people or criticize what they love, you're still respectful. Much love my friend stay safe. ✌

"Ben" makes "Martha" sound like a stroke of genius.

This was an impossible movie after the previous one destroyed all possible storylines set up by the reboot that was Episode VII

@therealeverton

4 жыл бұрын

It was nothing like impossible, as can easily be seen by the outline of the original Ep9 and more. Also, it destroyed nothing and left lost every possible storyline open to adaptation.

@kyle857

4 жыл бұрын

It could have been better though. It made a lot of its own mistakes unrelated to TLJ.

@oneopinion6806

4 жыл бұрын

@@kyle857 But were they character mistakes, or were they storyline mistakes. I think Kylo in Last Jedi makes sense, I think Finn was progressing well. It was the plotting of the cul de sac that was the space dog track/casino that was the problem. Even Rose would have worked better had they worked that KB planet part differently--and without the rubbing-is-racing kiss which really was no more awkward than the final kiss of Rise.

I really love this kind of content. Thanks for creating John 👍

This video is has excellent production quality. I enjoyed your breakdown of your issues with the film. Thank you John!!

When I first saw the trailer for force awakens I knew this trilogy was doomed. Too much nostalgia and couldn’t make up its mind on what it wanted to be. Seems they just wanted that “Star Wars is back “ money rather than a cohesive story.

@gougef

4 жыл бұрын

They should have combined the plot of the first two into one movie. No original cast members (well maybe some force ghost cameos) after the first film. The last two films would completely centered on the new characters, and NEW villians.

@jrad410

4 жыл бұрын

Rosencrantz this is not me speaking with hindsight. My old comments are on those early trailers and reviews. It’s not that I think TFA is a bad film per say. But it basically signaled to the audience that feel good nostalgia meant more than an organic story. JJ set up the problems by just making questions and cliffhangers with no long term plan

@spideysg1163

4 жыл бұрын

jrad410 thoughts on tlj? I like tfa didn’t like tlj and tros was meh imo

@gougef

4 жыл бұрын

@@jrad410 the nostalgia would have be ok if it had ended about half into first movie.

@jrad410

4 жыл бұрын

Spidey’s Gaming let me say this I have no plans to watch that film again lol. There are parts I like but it’s just bleh to me

Luck has always been part of SW and can be explained as the living Force taking an interest. I would agree this film takes it too far.

@McHaro0079

4 жыл бұрын

Well Old Ben said there is no such thing as luck 40 something years ago. ☺ Seriously, the whole "I am one with the force and the force is with me" deal is also luck. With that lense 90%+ of the movie we ever seen could fall into the same category, including documentary. If it's not for luck, things being boring and nobody go see.

@matthewheywood8532

4 жыл бұрын

Yes a little luck has always s been there not the driving force

@shill7852

2 жыл бұрын

That’s True. Small luck here and there is fine. But constantly relying on conveniences and then covering up lazy writing with “iTs dA fOrCe” is taking it too far.

John this is perfect. Disney would be wise to take note of the problems you pointed out. So many issues that should have been obvious to the studio and all involved making the movie, long before it was ever released. Since this was going to be the final movie in this long story, the story and details should have been the most thought out and carefully planned of them all.

I remember the theory back then was that Snoke was actually Darth Plageus who cheated death.

I look forward to the time when all three of the sequel trilogy films are accepted as being badly written. At present blame is still being put on TLJ or TROS, or both.

@bocrumble5805

4 жыл бұрын

3 turds in one big pile of crap lol

RoS was bad because of the Last Jedi. I wish Disney made the movies as follow; 1. The fall of Ben Solo (starts movie aa a jedi) the awakening of Rey. Jedi Master Luke Skywalker comes help General and Jedi Master Leia Organa Solo 2. The rise of Kilo Ren, Rey training under Luke or Leia 3. The fall of Rey to the dark side. The death/sacrifice of Jedi Master Luke Skywalker, the non hermit. The death of Kilo Ren Redemption of Rey.

@shanebennis6914

4 жыл бұрын

So... an entirely different trilogy that's essentially your own personal fan fiction?

@DollopWise

4 жыл бұрын

TROS was bad because it was bad. All JJ Abram sequel movies suck.

It's really eye opening when you lay out how luck was used to progress almost the entire story. I can look past the festival and Chewie's ship not being the one that Rey force lightning's to smithereens, but everything else is pretty egregious. Regarding Kylo's redemption, I completely see where you're coming from and can't really argue the lack of planning, but the moment where Han shows up got me really emotional. Not just because it's Han, but the father-son dynamic. Maybe i'm just easy to please, but that was probably my favourite part of the movie.

@commentingcommenter1230

4 жыл бұрын

If I had to pick one moment of the movie that was actually well planned, it would be the Han and Kylo scene. It followed the same steps as their confrontation in TFA, but instead, Kylo turns back to the light and discards his blade. It was legitimately a well paced character building moment. Pity that it was ruined by practically every other scene in the movie.

@samuelhedlund4852

4 жыл бұрын

It was good and I liked it but even that made no sense. I don’t envy them not being able to use Carrie Fisher

I seriously want them to remake Rise of Skywalker. Not reshoots, not rewrites, just fire Abrams and Terrio, bring in someone new, and remake the entire movie

Personally i felt like it was a damned if they did it one way, damned if they did it another kinda situation. There was always gonna be a bunch of people who were going to be unhappy about it and there was always going to be people who liked it but because of one thing or another will say they didnt like it and vice versa.

I truly enjoyed, and watched the hell out of, The Force Awakens! It felt like Star Wars! Sure, it was a rehash of, A New Hope 🤷‍♂️ but it felt like Star Wars, it felt magical, it had this power and presence to it! I watched it three times in theatres and I even watched it on New Years Eve, left the theatre at midnight and started the new year off right! Now, The Last Jedi.... It didn't have any of that... It felt off-putting, out of place, wrong... Sure it's a beautiful movie, great cinematography by Rian. But that's it... After I watched The Last Jedi, I sat in the parking lot of my movie theatre, I'm shock! I was stunned! I felt robbed and ruined! Two years of theories and speculation, all thrown into the trash.... I sat in my car for 15 minutes, trying to wrap my head around what I had just seen... The Rise Of Skywalker, had its enjoyable moments 🤷‍♂️ but it's still, meh... Too rushed, too forced, and too many moments of JJ and Disney going, "Oh damn! We gotta fix some things! We gotta do this! And do that! The fans will love it!" But no... Sure it's enjoyable, and has its moments, but they could have ended their Skywalker Trilogy strong and beautiful! But we got what we got... 40+ years ruined, all because of money grabs and no story-flow, and too many hands in the cookie jar...

I like to think that Palpatine’s offer was sort of a Godfather thing, where if Kylo didn’t take his offer, Palpatine would send his superior army to wipe out the F.O.

John, thx for your reflection on Ep. 9. I will need to rewatch it now.

Every question I had can be answered with another question: Who cares anymore? This movie is garbage and that's that

I think C-3PO tells them where exactly to use the dagger when he translates the sith txt (when his eyes turn red).

John’s right: the lack of an overall plan is the Sequel Trilogy’s biggest flaw and that became obvious with The Last Jedi, which has some good bits (and some awful ones too) but completely fails as the middle act of a three-act story. I kind of enjoyed Rise of Skywalker but felt that it’s predecessor left it with far too much to do plot-wise and it ended up collapsing under the strain.

Well articulated! I couldn’t put my finger on the specifics (I’m not an expert in movie making or Star Wars, just a big fan) but, I fell asleep!!!!!(I’ve watched 1-6 countless times and I’ve NEVER fallen asleep) and all I could say after the movie was “that was underwhelming!” . Everything you said I was like “yah!, that’s it!”