Discussion on MythVision Podcast (James Tour Debate - Featuring Aron Ra)
Dave appears on the MythVision podcast to discuss his recent debate with James Tour.
Originally streamed 5/31/23 on the MythVision channel: • Abiogenesis Debate Rev...
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Nothing like Aron's iconic "Shut up dog" as the opening to a video
@LMLR187
11 ай бұрын
Very Eustace Baggs of him.
@hollxws
11 ай бұрын
I played the first 3 seconds back 5 times and laughed like a toddler each time
@alisaurus4224
11 ай бұрын
Just watched his Noah’s Ark series last night, and the first video ends with “SHUT UP, BIRD”
@seionne85
11 ай бұрын
@@raya.p.l5919liar
@seionne85
11 ай бұрын
I think everyone at this point should know, when you invite Aron, there's going to be animal noises 🤣
Honestly as a retired professor myself I have never seen an academic behave as childishly as Tour in that debate. Rice is supporting that insane psycho who thinks holding chalk and yelling “clueless” equals scientific inquiry. He’s also lying to undergrads, which is quite creepy. Bravo to Dave for staying sane during that mess!
@sotecluxan4221
11 ай бұрын
Olala, did not watch that, not worth my time.
@CaptFoster5
11 ай бұрын
I take it your chosen KZread name is a Supernatural TV show reference?
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
11 ай бұрын
From your perspective, is it negligent of Rice +/or Tour when he says repeatedly he counsels his students NOT to enter the OoL field? & that Rice lets him accuse people like Lee Cronin of being a scammer? I'm surprised the university lets him get away with either or both behaviours, along with what you point out.
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
11 ай бұрын
@@sotecluxan4221 Yet you are commenting? Why?
@purplefood1
11 ай бұрын
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426they're sharing their particular thoughts on the 'debate'
I heard a quote from Seth Andrews from an anonymous source, "Whenever an honest man discovers that he's mistaken, he will either cease to be mistaken or he will cease to be honest." Tour has never been honest.
@HarryNicNicholas
10 ай бұрын
i find it odd that he's quite happy for nature to be doing _this_ bit of the process, but then the _next_ bit requires god cos it's soooo complex, and then nature can take over again after....and as always what it amounts to is "god picked a really complex process that was unlikely to achieve his desired result" it's stupid to argue things are too complicated for nature.
I watched the debate and initially, I thought Dave was a little too on the nose with calling Tour a liar. But as the debate went on it was clear to me that the audience needed to understand that their man was incapable of telling the truth about the subject. Tour was a crybaby who just kept doubling down on his lies. Great debate, Dave.
@Nirual86
11 ай бұрын
It clearly was the only viable approach whatsoever. Sure it would've been nice to have more of a proper debate but it wasn't going to happen. He even tried to bring up relevant points like Systems Chemistry and Tour just refused to accept and went right back to his script.
@antediluvianatheist5262
11 ай бұрын
@@Nirual86you can't debate when the moderator is not only ignorant, but on the other side.
@Nirual86
11 ай бұрын
@@antediluvianatheist5262 that obviously doesn't help either ofc but Tour's behaviour was the biggest issue by far.
@RichardRoy2
11 ай бұрын
I'd seen so many of Dave's video's that lead up to the debate, and, when you do, you know that Dave knows he's not going to convince Tour, as Tour was not an honest interlocutor in the tiniest sense. Dave came as prepared as he could knowing he was facing someone who was just dancing to his base, and simply attempted to expose that fact by showing the pattern, knowing his work would stand scrutiny by those who were actually knowledgeable on the subject. I thought Dave did a great job, given this situation.
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
11 ай бұрын
cry-bully is a great term for Tour.
You can't have a video with Aron Ra without an animal hijack
@WredFawks
10 ай бұрын
Aron: *gets on stream* Dog: It's time to sing the song of my people.
@sammavitae114
9 ай бұрын
Very clear that it’s the hound of heaven trying to bring Aron to the truth.
@f.u.m.o.5669
9 ай бұрын
@@sammavitae114That the Lizard people are guarding us from the outside word, where living pyromaniac dinosaurs live.
@oxcart4172
8 ай бұрын
I look forward to them!
@DrOmar11
8 ай бұрын
I briefly explain how totally wrong headed Dave and Aaron Ra are on evolution
Tour's motto seems to be... "if you can't be right be wrong at the top of your lungs"
I just realized that is not a window behind Aron. Lots of terrariums.
@diemwing
11 ай бұрын
yup, he has snakes. Lots of snakes
@broccieboi
11 ай бұрын
@@diemwingI
@jacobsteele1178
11 ай бұрын
Lol u just made me realize that
@jcnot9712
11 ай бұрын
Must be those spectroscopy containers flat earth dave talked so much about 😂
@kidslovesatan34
11 ай бұрын
Sneks!
The funniest part was where Tour points out that Dave is reading. But that there should give us a clue as to why he's not up on the latest science: he wont read it. I wonder if he tells his students not to read.
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
11 ай бұрын
Good point. Like he tells his students not to enter the OoL field. Yeah, I'm shocked there hasn't been more focus on how much he harms his students with his obsessions. I have a feeling that could + should be a video all its own.
@RichardRoy2
11 ай бұрын
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 With all the conservatives losing their minds over so called "grooming," this is simply another example of them projecting their own behavior onto others as we watch people like Tour performing precisely what they are accusing others of doing.
Dave sounds so tired of this. We’re all immensely grateful for his patience in teaching everyone about evolution on every scale and debunking that which it’s both inane and deliberately dishonest. Much love to you all, stay safe and hydrated out there.
Damn, Aron Ra and Professor Dave together, and it's not even my birthday. Wow, the Flying Spaghetti Monster must really love me.
@rembrandt972ify
11 ай бұрын
He boiled for you.
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
11 ай бұрын
Happy birthday, prematurely/late/whenever it comes, then...remember FSM brought you Aron's creatures too! Don't forget to make a wish for your year, one for every hole in the colander!
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
11 ай бұрын
@@rembrandt972ify my Creamy Saucy Saviour😇
@SaintD382
Ай бұрын
R'amen to that, brother!
James kept lying after being corrected, the friendly conversation ended at that point.
Dave, I've been enjoying your hilarious Twitter responses to the DI fools. When will your next debunk come out?
@hollxws
11 ай бұрын
I wanna check out his twitter but the app is so fucking broken i cant do shit
@kingmenelaus7083
11 ай бұрын
What's his Twitter? I didn't find a link on his channel
@Nanomusheens
11 ай бұрын
@@kingmenelaus7083daveexplains I'm reading the arguments with the virus deniers now
@kingmenelaus7083
11 ай бұрын
@@Nanomusheens found him, thanks homie
@a_plastic_bag
11 ай бұрын
My god, reading through some of the replies for his tweets just makes me want to die. How can people be so utterly dumb to believe that viruses are fake? If it's so fake, why don't they go infect themselves with malaria? It's not real, so it can't hurt them, right?
You needed to have a maniac screaming in front of a chalkboard, just for the proper ambiance.
@dogwalker666
11 ай бұрын
Yeah when James went full Karen in front of the Blackboard was hilarious.
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
11 ай бұрын
Oh geez that'd be hilarious to put fake binaural beats under it, sample his screaming, & throw some effects on it to satirize & call it "Relax with Tour ASMR Cosmic Binaural"🤣 I wish I had the skills
Thanks for introducing me to Aron! His videos are amazing and inspiring
@andrewlockett4569
10 ай бұрын
Haha, you've got thousands of hours of Ra magic weaving ( sic ) to negotiate yet 😎
@HNH421
8 ай бұрын
you should not , watch his videos - he is trying to trick you, into believing in dinosaurs L0Lz
@keypey8256
7 ай бұрын
@@HNH421 why would I not think dinosaurs exist if there is so much evidence supporting the claim?
@HNH421
7 ай бұрын
@@keypey8256 prove that god did not put the bones in the rock when he created them 5000 years ago
@keypey8256
7 ай бұрын
@@HNH421 I can prove that dinosaurs didn't exist 5000 years ago. Would that be enough?
As a person with a degree in Molecular Biology and Chemistry and also having spend an enormous amount of time in Mammalian Physiology and Cell Biology...it is a joy to see these kinds of things brought up in the debate.
@HarryNicNicholas
10 ай бұрын
as a person with an art degree in art and drawing stuff, and also having spent an enormous amount of time in halo and assassin's creed, it is a joy to see folks like tour shouting childishly as if a piece of performance art.
I loved when Dr. LeQuack said "This is my first debate." Yeah, it shows.
@godofmath1039
11 ай бұрын
*Mr. LeQuack. He's a "doctor" that's completely undeserving of a PhD.
@ImNotLuthien
4 ай бұрын
You don't need experience to get good at debates. The arguments will hold by themselves if they have evidence and reason. Watching Peterson vs Matt is like looking at 2 toddlers arguing. At this point debates are just ego competitions. Besides nobody is that open to a change of mind. If you are a scientist and you are telling facts that should be enough and people can think about what you just said, but at the moment the debate starts to get ideology in it it's just an ego showdown.
I appreciate that Aron was at the debate. Arguably one of the better folks to have in your corner, in person.
One of my favorite parts of the debate was listening to the audience gasps whenever Dave swore.
@ProfessorDaveExplains
3 ай бұрын
Which was one time.
@robwright8949
2 ай бұрын
@@ProfessorDaveExplains Oh really? I'll have to rewatch it then, because I thought they reacted every time. Still, pretty funny!
@ProfessorDaveExplains
2 ай бұрын
@@robwright8949 I only swore once, but they did gasp like toddlers and an older woman left.
@robwright8949
2 ай бұрын
@ProfessorDaveExplains HA! Wow. It's amazing you can nail their savior to wood, but we draw the line at "hurtful" dialogue. Amazing
This is why live debates are generally not that good any more. If you have a dishonest actor, it takes times to do the research to demonstrate a lie. That's why I think debates where people have time to submit video responses back and forth are more productive than live debates.
@temari2860
11 ай бұрын
Not sure, because many (if not most) people will only stay on one side and only see the entire debates through one person, who can of course make it look like they're winning no matter what. In face-to-face debates both audiences have to face each other and hear the arguments whether they want to or not.
@popinjayackroyd4526
11 ай бұрын
@@temari2860 I didn't mean the idea of going through just one person, but presenting a case with time to research and then receiving a like response. You could still have debate rules---e.g. every response is posted, length limits, etc. The issue I have with live debates is that it is much easier to make up BS than it is to debunk it. It takes time to do the research to debunk a thing. Also, it seems to reward quick-wittedness and on-the-spot charisma over the actual arguments for a position. In the past, such person-to-person debates were much more beneficial in a relative sense because the research was much more time-consuming. So the best option for the public was to have two real experts who have more facts than everybody else at their disposal present them in good faith. But now, research is easier. A video response could come quickly and still involve research and even links so that those viewing can fact-check the sources.
@wefinishthisnow3883
11 ай бұрын
The big problem was the moderator. When Dave called James out, the moderator should have said 'the court will wait for an answer'.
@popinjayackroyd4526
11 ай бұрын
@@captainkong But people can change their minds. One of my favorite cases was this one. Fry and Hitchens not only clearly won this debate, but the audience polled before and after drastically changed their views. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fI6Gxbuacby9l5c.html&ab_channel=IntelligenceSquared
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
11 ай бұрын
@@wefinishthisnow3883 hoped someone would dig into the moderator more. He didn't seem to understand the event, the rules, the science, the personal dynamics, moderation...bewildering choice.
Im pretty sure the reason of the chalk board was to have Dave draw some chemicals from memory and hope for a small mistake and draw the "He's just following a script"-card.
@alisaurus4224
11 ай бұрын
That, and to use up Dave’s time drawing complicated diagrams that almost none of the audience understands anyway
This was so fun to rewatch! Thanks for posting!
LOVE your videos
Oh yay, now I have an excuse to watch this discussion again! Btw, why is there usually such a big gap between the original release of these videos on their channel and the reupload on here?
@asorlokirunarsson9864
11 ай бұрын
Probably so the host and maker of the video gets most of the views. If they release at the same time then they split the views because most viewers would only watch one video once
@ProfessorDaveExplains
11 ай бұрын
Yeah to give them time with it, and also I did a bunch of these right after the debate and it's better to spread them out.
@Wafflbaum
11 ай бұрын
Ah, that makes sense.
Love Mythvision!! Love Prof Dave! And AronRa
@Cheepchipsable
11 ай бұрын
Derek shills too hard for my liking.
I love these podcast videos!
I have nearly always found that when some-one starts shouting means they know they have lost the argument and are getting frustrated because the other person wont believe their shit
I am still waiting for James Tour to explain to us how soap really works...It's been two years! I suppose he is still researching this topic.
I can't believe this doesn't have more views. You guys need to repost this.
Tour was such an immature child in that "debate". Ranting and raving for no real reason...
@alisaurus4224
11 ай бұрын
I could sort of understand if Tour was flustered by the debate format when he’s used to one-way lectures, EXCEPT he does the same shouty thing in his own solo videos! It’s his only technique when he cannot prove a point; he starts yelling “CLUELESS!” as if volume correlated to veracity.
MR FARINA! HERE GO GO GO GO GO GO GO!!! *waves yellow chalk like a maniac*
That whole debate was a demonstration of how problematic the BS asymmetry principle can be.
Dave's strong rhetoric is good for theists like I used to be. The more gentle you are the more I was taught to think of that as intellectual weaknesses. Again great job Dave!
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for saying this from your perspective. I'm frustrated by people over-focusing on tone (just from Dave, tho!).
@49perfectss
11 ай бұрын
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Yeah a lot of people call him out when he was calm the entire time while not mentioning the degree to which James was a screeching toddler for an hour if not more. Kinda not seeing the full picture of how Dave drove James into acting like that with a smile on his face lol
@Cheepchipsable
11 ай бұрын
You don't have to be"gentle", but getting everyone offside by calling people name off the bat won't win anyone over. How much better would it have been if Dave was civil because Tour still would have lost his shit and no one would be talking about what Dave did. Never heard anyone call Dave out for being calm - do these people not know how debates are meant to be conducted? Generally speaking remaining calm is a win.
I'd just like to point out for anyone newly arriving that while it may not appear so at first, Dave treats James with every bit of respect he deserves and much, much, more. Liars should be mocked and ridiculed so that everyone strives to not be considered one.
Hey Dave, do you ever plan on doing an anthropology series with Gutsick Gibbon? I assume you are aware of her channel, but if not she's a PhD student working in primatology who does similar content to yours (systematic debunks and indepth educational videos)
@ProfessorDaveExplains
11 ай бұрын
Yes she already wrote the scripts! I will start working on it soon.
@dogwalker666
11 ай бұрын
@@ProfessorDaveExplainsthat will be amazing.
@celestialsatheist1535
11 ай бұрын
@@ProfessorDaveExplainsthis will be EPIC
@secularidiot9052
10 ай бұрын
@@albertomartinez714 Nah, Erika is insanely intelligent and would be a far better creator to collaborate with for educational purposes, especially since anthropology is the field she specializes in. And please, we're supposed to act professionally when it comes to science. Keep your misogynistic and racial biases out of scientific discussions.
@irenafarm
9 ай бұрын
Omg I can’t wait. Love, a 50 yr old former YEC now trying to get a biology degree
29:05 LMFAOO Aron saying shut up to his dogs 😂😂😂😂
"a bunch of molecules get together to become a bunch of slithering creatures" 🤣
Thanks!
Calling out bullshit and bullshitters on KZread is one of Dave's talents, not having as much talent myself I'm watching the one's who do.😁👍
Still waiting on that Jonathan Wells video. Keep up the great work! ❤
Two of my most favourite KZreadrs! 😃❤️
Dave I like your style of debate. Good on ya mate. 😅. Keep on keeping on ..
The dog bark as the opener lmao
This is gonna be dope
aron talking about "attack the lie, not the person" is rich
An updated debunk on anti vaxxers would be awesome!
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
11 ай бұрын
There's gotta be an RFK Jr video soon, now that he's so visible, I bet Prof Dave's working on a response to his Rogan appearance. Or I hope so!
@sirlancair
4 ай бұрын
Debunk of anti vaxxers is telling of your credibity..and your followers
Great discussion. And yeah I agree that inflammatory language (however true) put the recipients in defensive mode and they cannot consider the arguments they immediately start defending themselves.
Man when Aron smiles while pouring his beer I couldn’t help but get the maniacal Disney villain vibe from it lol. I love him.
@HNH421
8 ай бұрын
of course he is a villain !!! only someone truly , evil' would believe in dinosaurs L0Lz
@azazelsiad3601
8 ай бұрын
@@HNH421 I can’t tell if your serious or if your being sarcastic. If your serious I don’t have time for you if you aren’t that shit is hilarious lol.
@HNH421
8 ай бұрын
@@azazelsiad3601 the dinosaurs that are very small , are far away.
@jpdicey789
6 ай бұрын
Picturing Captain Hook aren't you? Lol
@skyshatter3633
6 ай бұрын
i really like his mug tho it looks damn amazing
Definitely siding with Dave on how he handled the debate. I would have done it the same way. So tired of "these rules for thee but not for me" in the case of theists. Crybullies every time. I strongly support giving people a piece of their own medicine.
Religion a behavioural instinct through genetics. This is easily understood by many people. Many religious can not understand a world without Gods or other beliefs. Religion can be very calming for many people who can not understand how the world works.
I’m delighted that Dave calls out liars like James Tour, decorum be damned. Character assassination is the _entire point_ of ‘debating’ somebody like him. He deserved everything Dave did to him, it was a pleasure to watch. 🍿
@marknieuweboer8099
11 ай бұрын
Agreed. The characters of proven liars like JimmyT deserve - and when as prominent as he: nééd - to be destroyed.
@FlyingSpaghettiJesus
11 ай бұрын
@@marknieuweboer8099Bingo! 🎯
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
11 ай бұрын
Agreed. It's disappointing how much tone policing is being done. Esp on unequal terms. I don't hear many people on either side talking about how rude + mean Tour was to Dave, yet he's been awful, & Dave has supporters worrying about harshness on the debunk side. It's a red herring. I like the way Dave argues, & I'm for civility when someone is being civil back. Lying, yelling, reputation-destroying, deliberately steering people away from the truth, trying to bully your religion's way into non-religious fields, dehumanization of opposing perspectives --- none of that is civil, & Dave's approach is warranted. The gift Tour gave him was a dominance move obvious to anyone who's been watching all the videos as this progressed. If you go back & watch his first video on Tour, Dave gives him so much benefit of the doubt, it's amazing to watch in hindsight how willing he was to give Tour grace. Tour proceeded to violently shred any splinter of goodwill or illusion of acting in good faith. Dave's responded according to Tour's provocations + escalations. As a culture, we need to learn how not to be manipulated by cheap appeals to politeness when the end goal of an argument is absurd or authoritarian or destructive lies --- they deserve scorn + outrage.
@HarryNicNicholas
10 ай бұрын
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 tour wore a tie, dave did not.
Took a break from Twitter? Watching you expose con men and dunk on idiots is gold.
I'm getting really tired of the tone policing of Dave, even the subtler tone policing, "That's not how I would have done it." For one thing, Tour was constantly screaming and lying during the debate, and I'm frankly impressed that Dave stayed as calm and poised as he did under those circumstances. Second, Tour and his followers are ideologically driven to remain willfully ignorant on OoL research. If calm, purely research-base discourse was an effective way to convince this crowd, then they would have already been convinced by the thousands of researchers doing amazing work every day in the OoL field. No, this crowd needs to be shocked out of their willful ignorance; it's the only thing that might get them to realize how inappropriately and embarrassingly they are behaving. Keep up the good work, Dave. 💪🧑🔬
@Trombi01
11 ай бұрын
I do have to ask, do you know anybody who got "shocked out of willful ignorance"?
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
11 ай бұрын
THANK YOU.
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
11 ай бұрын
@@Trombi01 Yes, I know at least 3 people who in different ways did. You probably do too, you just haven't thought deeply about it.
@Trombi01
11 ай бұрын
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Would you like to give an example?
@elsawithginathedreamdragon3952
11 ай бұрын
@@Trombi01 I heard a story of a person who lived in the southern Hemisphere, and traveled to the USA to meet some friends. He had a whole mind-blown core-shaking moment when he saw the full moon appeared “flipped”. He nearly fell over from staring up for so long. He described how that moment really made him “feel”/realize the Earth was a globe. (He was also the one who posted the story).
Not many people can make science this entertaining. 😄 Thanks guys!
My dog loved that intro
Gm Dave
Have you heard of the channel Professor Adam Teaches? It's a channel that discusses inorganic chemistry and coordination chemistry in terms of group theory. It also talks about how to use computational chemistry programs like GAMESS and ChemCompute. I think it's a great and very informative channel even if the name sounds way too similar. I learned how to use GAMESS and Avogadro from him.
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
11 ай бұрын
Dave's a genre pioneer, not surprised other educators are taking inspiration from his practices. The science communicators I know personally are all really overworked & usually appreciate others who do what they do, as long as they do it well & aren't plagiarizing. There's lots of room in the field & Dave stands out regardless. Unless Adam's copying his material or not on the way to finding his own style, I don't see a problem. The name similarity could be as much an homage to Dave or to signal he's in Dave's genre as anything else. It's not a bad move, & you seem to have had good experiences with his material. I guess I'm trying to parse your comment for why it's here? Do you want to let others know there's another good channel to follow, are you worried he's too close to Dave's channel, or are you suggesting a collab, or that they could coordinate material sometimes to save doubling up on work?
@Cheepchipsable
11 ай бұрын
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Dave invented the educational video?
I think it was Colonel Sanders who once said, “extoardinary claims require jesus books to explain.” Pretty sure he had like 6 PhD’s too.
@Pro. Dave Do we have a video of debate you guys are talking about? If yes how do I find it?
@ProfessorDaveExplains
10 ай бұрын
Yes check my channel. I posted it two months ago.
The young earth creation Channel just put out a video called "Demolishing Dave"... the comments are absolutely ridiculous and I'm shocked they havnt been turned off lol
Is this a re-upload?
Dave had every right to treat them exactly how he did. Been a fan of Aron since 2007 KZread and instant Dave fan in 2020 or so when ScimanDan and him were battling FlatEarth. Excellent job!
@damianferr390
11 ай бұрын
That sounds like he indeed did something unrightfull.
@HarryNicNicholas
10 ай бұрын
@@damianferr390 dave was right alrighty. mighty righty alrighty.
what's better than a legend? two legends combined!
has this been re-uploaded?
Some wisdom from one of my science professors: "Science has nothing to say about God."
@marknieuweboer8099
11 ай бұрын
The problem is rather that way too many believers think that their god send them to say something about science.
I truly appreciate Dave, Aron, and Derek but I can’t stomach this anymore. I’m sorry
Are you ever planning on making C programming tutorials in the future
This starts out as a discussion on the debate. Turns into a general discussion. Three very interesting and intelligent speakers. Aaron does like to hear himself.
@jonnawyatt
11 ай бұрын
Who is Aaron?
“He knows a lot about debunking stuff, Professor Dave Explains” 🎶🎶🎶 intro when?
It has been a while since Aron has been on your channel.
@secularidiot9052
11 ай бұрын
Technically Aron was at the debate, so only since the debate happened.
@spitfire3311
11 ай бұрын
They’re both pretty busy fellas I’d imagine
So, the point Aron mentions when James really lost it.. was that the point when he starts waving the chalk at the board demanding you show the chemistry for the improperly labeled scheme he drew because it just clicked in his head that you said we now (and for a while now) have fully self replicating synthetic RNA? Because that's the moment that sticks out in my mind.
Tour really didn't want to address the papers.
What do they teach genetic students (so they can later practice genetics)? Is it the textbooks or the creation science books? Creation science contains stuff that disagrees with the textbooks. 😅
Please tell me you will go over Stephen Meyer on Joe Rogan!! 🙏 I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw him on there
Dave did a great job, not just in his arguments in the face of a piss-poor debater but Tour was condescending , aggressive and rude. I really came away thinking it genuinely was a waste of his time and he should never bother ever again discussing anything with James Tour. As Dawkins reflected once ( I think quoting another academic explaining why he wouldnt debate fringe idiots) “Looks good on your CV not so much on mine”.
@Cheepchipsable
11 ай бұрын
I agree I thought it was a waste of time too, but Dave wanted to publicly confront Tour, for all the good that will do. I'm sure he is getting a lot of pats on the back from fanbois and the echo chamber, but how does one measure any effect?
I admire ALL 3 of you. Special admiration to Aron for being a dog man!!
Aron, I wish I was a believer so I could have you go through the evidence of evolution and blow my mind! I absolutely love your series on the evidence for evolution, sadly I was no longer not a believer in evolution by then (believed in it since middle school haha) but you did such great work on it! One of my favorite series, my only critique is that its too short lol. Dave, it was so great to see you debate live! I know you had a difficult task, and it was very rough in the beginning, but you absolutely knocked it out of the park in the last half. Your series on KZread are so expertly done and I've learned so much from you, both in learning new things and learning things to counter the misinformation out there (my fav was the Astrology episode) You both are great and keep up the amazing work!
Could you explain the idea of being able to see back in time in really distant parts of space? It sounds really interesting
@origamiswami6272
11 ай бұрын
Light takes time to travel. It takes 8 minutes for light to travel from the Sun to the Earth, so when we look at the Sun we see it as it was 8 minutes ago. Likewise, if a galaxy is 100 million light-years from Earth, we see it as it was 100 million years ago.
@ProfessorDaveExplains
11 ай бұрын
Check my astronomy playlist.
@SandmanOnYT
11 ай бұрын
@@ProfessorDaveExplains Thanks :)
can you debate Adam Green ??? please..
Is there a Patreon amount I can pledge where Aron Ra WILL come to my house and shave my cat? He is a floofer, he needs it before it gets too warm outside. And I am sure the discussion during the appointment would be epic and enjoyable.
I really hate that the moderator is heckling dave about being strong in the debate calling out the audeince etc. Dave never stop standing up strong against nonsense.
Please do a rebuttal to David Berlinski. I'm pretty sure he's a high high level intellectual yet he says things like "evolution is a secular myth"
So did your opinion on James back in the day about "not being a con-man" in your first video with him change? Just wondering.
I think the important point that Aron was trying to make about winning over the audience, is that the audience that were there in person are not going to change their minds, that is almost definitely true But it's not just people who are there in person that are watching the debate. It's everybody on the internet and everybody that watches it in the future, people who are on Dave's side people who are on Tour's side, and people who are genuine fence sitters. I understand that being respectful towards hecklers is difficult but it makes you look like the bigger person and it makes people who are skeptical of your worldview, subconsciously more willing to listen to your arguments. Even if you don't change their minds entirely, no one changes their minds overnight, and if showing them genuine respect, even when they're not showing you genuine respect gets them to concede a small point that you make, then that is a foot in the door to getting them to eventually change their mind, or at least be less extreme in their beliefs. Do the hecklers deserve respect? Absolutely not. Just because they don't deserve it though doesn't mean it's not smart to give it to them
Wait... Didn't this video come out weeks ago?
@Dreamline78
11 ай бұрын
Yes, on MythVision's channel. Dave's making it available on his channel now.
@gabrielcarvalhobergoc1530
11 ай бұрын
@@Dreamline78 oh I see. Thanks, I thought I was going crazy lol
This video helped me understand what the hell was going on during this debate. Wow.,, they stacked the audience and Tour is a piece of work! I must admit i was like "woah, why is dave laying into this guy?'. Now it makes sense. The gift giving at the start is just maniulative.. considering tour has attacked dave previous to this.
@gilleruadh
7 ай бұрын
Tour has been badmouthing Dave for years. I understand his irritation with him.
If i ever get into a DNA is code therefore creator argument. I would ask. What is code made of in computers. Its 1s and 0s. Is it impossible for 1s and 0s to to naturally fall or clump together to make a code? Of course its possible! I just don't understand why some people feel like life is meaningless if a magical man didn't create them in 7 days, vs a billion years of legos falling into the right place to give us this gift!!! Its far more wonderful to me than a simple answer of we are just a magic trick ......
Dave I desperately need you to make a video about "tuning your music to 432 hz because it matches the frequency of the Earth" 😂
Aron, you're supposed to pour the beer hard, not soft against the glass.
Damn Dave, I have wathed your content for the best of 3 years and the debunks are the ones bringing me back to your channel. I first watched you since one of my science teachers reffered me to one your tutorials on physics and biology.They were very helpful in my Junior High Science Classes and I watched your other content at my free time. I got invested in most of your debunks alongside Aron Ra's content. But the one series of debunks i cannot stop rewatching is good ol' Jimbo Tour.I probably did not understand many of the organic chemistry stuff in the Tour Debunks (but I think I am going to start watching your OrgChem stuff), but I watched all of it because I absolutely enjoy the comedy and cruelty of Jim's infantile bullshit. MY favorite part in the debate that i CRINGED on was when James Tour did a hasty damage control stunt when he praises you as a musician after he literally mocked you for being dramatic as a musician (assuming he knew that you called him out on it beforehand and shit his pants). But anyways, thank you for teaching me so much Science and all kinds of stuff and thank you Jim to making me more interested in OoL. Keep knocking them down Dave!
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
11 ай бұрын
I hope you go into OoL outta spite + fascination & win a Nobel
Could this happen in response to unbiased moderators/fact checkers. Could the fact checkers be in another area or state, and not allowed to watch the debate, and when there is something that needs to be fact checked, the submitters have to phrase the question to the fact checkers in the most unbiased way, avoiding any possibility of bias because of the way the question was asked.
32:50 This guy could be a voice actor for kent hovind, that was accurate af.
I love Dave
"Shut up dog!"
Tone policing is bullshit. Do what you do, how you do it, Dave.
Aron really has to tell me what kind of beers he likes. Marc from Belgium.
@_Omega_Weapon
11 ай бұрын
Belgian Hefeweizen is my personal fav;) German ones too
Frustrating though it is, and we can see the boredom in your eyes sometimes, please know we love you and your work Mr Dave :)
8:03 “Imagine I’m on your couch an hour later” Me: “okay, I follow” “Imagine I’m dead” Me: :(
Aron acting like he doesn't go full james tour in debates lol. I love him though
He's wrong saying there were no terrestrial vertebrates three hundred million years ago. There were Amphibians during the Devonian 350 million years ago and reptiles started around 310 million years and strangely, within a million years of that, mammals started during the Carboniferous. Some of them survived the Permian Extinction 250 million years ago so that there were mammals scurrying about under the feet of the dinosaurs. Just check Wikipedia: type in "Devonian" and "'carboniferous." The Carboniferous was an oxygen rich time in which dragonflies evolved to be three feet long. Check it out on Wikipedia. Those dragonfly fossils are amazing. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Check it out.
Best frickin intro ever. Cheers to Aron's dog with a pint of the black stuff 🍻