This is all news to everyone I knew. Pete, never heard of this guy. We are changing our fields and the new branding is all Big 12. And another thing, Utah not wanting to go to the Big 12 has been way over blown. We both need each other period! This is who we are. Go Utes!

@heartlandcollegesports

2 ай бұрын

Love your passion for the BIG 12 and hope you're right... simply sharing what a legit sports writer (and HOFer) reported. Thanks for being here! Hope you'll consider our free HCS message boards too! www.heartlandcollegesports.com/members-forum/?sucuriscan_lastlogin=1

@andybettis5194

2 ай бұрын

@@heartlandcollegesports Weiss might have heard this, but he is simply passing on what he heard. He has not written anything significant outside of Big East basketball in his career.

@heartlandcollegesports

2 ай бұрын

@@andybettis5194 But he had enough to send out an X post on it...

@Tobyoneal64

2 ай бұрын

Anyone can post whatever shit they want to on X. Does not make it true. You just enjoy raising the Utah hate for clicks.

@aarontracy5160

2 ай бұрын

@Tobyoneal64 I second your statement.

My Utes joining the ACC would make me so mad. I'm actually excited to be in the big 12. Even if it's a step down in revenue. Plus we have a real chance to be one of the best 2-3 teams in the late, which is where we were in the PAC 12 the last couple of years

As an Utah fan I think I speak for all of us when I say I would much rather be in the big 12 than the ACC. A much brighter future here and an amazing culture top down.

@Nohandleentered

2 ай бұрын

👎🏻 Nah. Speak for yourself

@PessimisticUte

2 ай бұрын

@@Nohandleentered Timothy you don’t have to pose as a Utah fan it’s obvious you’re a fan of the team down south 🙈

@SMichaelDeHart

2 ай бұрын

@@Nohandleentered just like Coca Cola, the BigXII "It's the Real Thing"!!🤣🤣

@aCycloneSteve

2 ай бұрын

If they had said B1G I would be worried. ISU is more likely to get an SEC invite. 🤦‍♂

@MikeSharpe973

2 ай бұрын

The big 12 is delusional, if the ACC implodes then the big 12 is a group of 5 conference. The only reason a power 4 exists is because the ACC exists. When the ACC is gone the best schools in the ACC and any decent thing the big12 has of value ie Kanas will be in the new power2. Then remnants of the big 12 and ACC become the new power conferences in the group of whatever.

I’m kind of skeptical of Dick Weiss here. I’m not sure it’s in Utah’s interest here to join the ACC. Outside a yearly game in California and perhaps a yearly series with SMU, there is not much advantage of joining the ACC. Surely any incremental revenue would be offset by increased travel costs for upto 3 games a year on the East Coast

@heartlandcollegesports

2 ай бұрын

Yes, unless Oregon State, Wash State and maybe a SDSU are in the mix as part of their future plans.

You say the two biggest teams are leaving the ACC but you forget the Big12 already lost their two biggest brands. This is about a foot race between FOX and ESPN for a tier II coast to coast conference. The real discussion is the bottom feeders from one conference could be left out. If Utah falls, ESPN is in the lead.

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

The BIG12 has lost its top 6 (net), not just TX/OK. I count ARK as a preemptive loss.

Both the President and AD of the University of Utah have publicly published statements today assuring that Utah is NOT Leaving the Big 12 for the ACC, or any other conference. Period.

@heartlandcollegesports

2 ай бұрын

Yep. And glad they released that statement today! BTW let's get some more KU folks on our free message boards my man! www.heartlandcollegesports.com/members-forum/?sucuriscan_lastlogin=1

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

Your seemingly panicked reaction is interesting. There are daily BIG12 vids on how many ACC remainders will want to go to the BIG12, yet your and other responses to this UTAH rumor suggest a true feeling of inferiority. The reality is that I can see members of each preferring the other.

Utah AD crushed this with extreme prejudice yesterday.

No one is joining the Acc now that FSU & Clemson have filed legal challenges to the Acc.

If all Utah fans don't like the BIG12 then why did so many go to Waco for the Baylor game last year? What did Baylor fans have to say about the Utah fans say that came and hung out at the party tents across the street? I had great time.

@richaustin5849

2 ай бұрын

I was there as well. They have a nice stadium but watching a game in that heat and humidity was unbearable. No thanks on going back to Waco!

@robertpearce4316

2 ай бұрын

​@richaustin5849 your not going g to Arizona schools games.

@chucky0034

2 ай бұрын

@robertpearce4316 As a Ute fan and when it comes to Arizona & ASU games....Tempe is pretty damn fun 😁

@robertpearce4316

2 ай бұрын

@@chucky0034 I was just talking to the heat factor

@heartlandcollegesports

2 ай бұрын

@@richaustin5849 NOW THAT is a fair criticism! But Baylor can't control that. Y'all have better weather in Utah :-)

The ACC has a revenue problem (and no, the Big XII doesn't make more money on a per team basis than the ACC. By the end of the current contract, the ACC is expected to pay out somewhere between $62-72 million annually per team, and going forward, the ACC will make more money from the CFP, too. Anyways...). Clemson and Florida State want more money. The ACC wants more money to accommodate them. How does the ACC get more money? Outside of renegotiating their payout during the upcoming 'look-in' period (starting within a matter of months and ending in 2025), the ACC's only way to generate more revenue is by... wait a minute... growing the ACC Network through... EXPANSION. Now, lets get to Utah. What does Utah want? Like everyone else, they want more MONEY. After the House settlement dropped $20-22 million in liabilities on every university within D1 athletics last week, they need more MONEY. Who pays more money than the Big XII? The ACC, SEC, and B1G. Prior to defecting to the Big XII after Oregon and Washington's surprise announcement, who else was Utah in discussions with over a possible invite? The ACC. Per Ross Dellenger's report, the ACC was in deep discussions with Cal, Stanford, UTAH, Arizona, and Arizona State, but after the Pac-12 imploded within a matter of hours, and the Big XII told them to take it or leave it, Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State panicked. (At this point, maybe they're having buyer's remorse.) Meanwhile, given that they had absolutely no intentions of ever joining the Big XII, Cal and Stanford chose to wait it out for an ACC invite. The end. Now, take a wild guess about one of the topics at the ACC's spring meetings. I'll give you a hint: revenue generation, expansion, and the possible return of divisional play post-expansion. Now, take a wild guess about which universities were mentioned: Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, West Virginia, Kansas, TCU, etc. Out of those, take a wild guess about which ones still have 'somewhat' of an out under the Big XII's current bylaws and membership contracts. (If you guessed the ones that are still, technically, a part of the Pac-12 then you would be correct.) It's not a coincidence that this report surfaced days after the House settlement. Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State are back in play.

If FSU and Clemson leave, UNC and Miami will leave too. No way an ACC without those four is better than the Big 12. Jumping ships now would be hilariously stupid.

@gagebyers1057

2 ай бұрын

They aren’t better with them

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

@@gagebyers1057 Both delusional....

@gijakob

2 ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 an undefeated ACC champion is the only undefeated power 5 team to miss the four team playoff. Keep in mind, an undefeated American Athletic Conference champ even made the four team playoff

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

@@gijakob This past season was the only that risked no SEC rep in the playoff. The general consensus is that FSU had to be snubbed to get BAMA in, which also meant TEXAS. You knew this already, right? I also suspect that FSU reactions to this realignment decreased respect for the school. Keep in mind that no, nada, zilch new BIG12 team has won a football natty in over 25 years. Tier 2 football will be fungible anyway.

@vernonsheldon-witter1225

2 ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 You have a rerason for posting this kaka? Is it because your conference id fraying at the seams?

"There is discussion..." Discussion among who? Is anyone saying Utah is talking to the ACC, or prefers the ACC?

@nolanhutwelker

2 ай бұрын

AKA, "A couple drunks at the bar."

@aarontracy5160

2 ай бұрын

@nolanhutwelker ... and somehow Mundo was there to hear it and report. As long as it has a negative Utah spin.

b12 conference has a small tv contract. what happens with the tv contract after UT and OU left? Up or down

@rayharrison724

2 ай бұрын

They already have their new TV contract without OU and Texas and it went up and this is coming from an OU fan.

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

@@rayharrison724 The BIG12 was expected to get ~$20M per after TX/OK left. In the end, it got ~$30M per after inflation, net realignment, and adding in Tier 3 rights.

@rayharrison724

2 ай бұрын

That is true, I haven't said anything different, maybe you replied to the ring poster

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

@@rayharrison724 In context, the BIG12's new contract didn't really go up when one considers the factors I referenced.

@rayharrison724

2 ай бұрын

I see what you are saying that is true .

No way we're going ACC. We'll ride it out and dominate the Big 12 for now till we get our super conference invite

Let’s be honest, the teams everyone really wants gone are the 4 G5s that watered down the league. Get rid of them and then you have room to upgrade the league with better ACC brands.

Utah would be dumb as hell to move to the ACC, they have 3 pending lawsuits of people trying to get out.

@heartlandcollegesports

2 ай бұрын

Exactly right....!

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

If BIG12 schools could leave to the SEC/B1G, they would be trying as well.

@vernonsheldon-witter1225

2 ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 I would say you have a vested interest in casting as much shade on the members of the Big 12 as you can. Stay in your own laner and take care of your own business. You have more than enough to look at, since UNC is one of the ACC Schools that want out.

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 What in my earlier comment is casting shade on the BIG12? As thing stand, every non-SEC/B1G school wants out of their current conference and into the P2. Six de facto BIG12 schools wanted to get out and did so. One more left and was forced to return. I would say that you have a vested interest in BIG12 delusion that it is better than the current ACC and will be objectively better than the likely future ACC. The former is silly the latter is subjective.

If Utah did leave. Shake theiir hands and wish them luck. The conference is gonna have this issue until either Utah makes it clear they are good in the Big 12, or they leave an the Big 12 adds a school that will be happy. But as a conference the Big 12 better fix this problem. 16 all in. If not, get rid of the ones not all in to get 16 all in. This can't be a lingering problem.

I think the Acc and ESPN will come to another agreement before 2036.

@secretagent73

2 ай бұрын

Bet they don't.

@gagebyers1057

2 ай бұрын

lol that’s what the pac 12 thought

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

@@gagebyers1057 The PAC rejected ~$30M per deals. ESPN need only make an election.

Utah can leave if they want. If they really think the ACC is a better fit then see ya. But if the ACC crumbles the B12 would do better to pick up Stanford, Cal, and of course Southern Methodist University. This would achieve Brett Yormark’s vision of making the B12 a national coast to coast conference with games in every time zone. That would be great and adding SMU ties the B12 a nice longtime rivalry in the “Iron Skillet” between TCU & SMU. Let’s go B12 football. By the way, HOOK EM HORNS from your favorite Texas fan who loves B12 football.

@heartlandcollegesports

2 ай бұрын

Ha! Love that from a UT fan! If you really love the Big 12 get on our HCS forums brotha! www.heartlandcollegesports.com/members-forum/

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

In context, the BIG12 has already crumbled. The question is always which crumbled former P5 is the best fit for the remainders.

@Bigtill1999

2 ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 well I beg to differ that the B12 has crumbled, be that as it may I think the B12 is better equipped to absorb any remaining top end P5 teams. At the end of the day though none of that matters when it’s all college football and that my friend is what is most important. Let’s just play the game.

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

@@Bigtill1999 Begging doesn't alter reality. All one has to do is compare the original BIG12 to the new BIG12 to see the aftermath of a crumble. This is the crux of the lack of self-awareness among BIG12 fans. Anything that is reasonably expected to happen to the ACC has ALREADY happened to the BIG12.

Everyone wants to join a sinking conference. It's all the rage...

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

In context, the BIG12 has already sunk.

@vernonsheldon-witter1225

2 ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Again, here we go with dangling"shiny objects" to distract people from looking at what is happening within the ACC.

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 Again, I fully admit (and predicted) what's happening with the ACC. You are the one in denial of the current status of the BIG12. The BIG12 has already sunk, imploded, collapsed, etc. It's already dead. Just compare the original BIG12 with the new. The ACC will (with near certainty) go through the same depletion/backfill process, just over a more compressed timeframe. Other differences are that the BIG12 was reactive during its depletion and appears to not recognize its situation. In contrast, the ACC is being somewhat proactive, is managing its decline, and isn't in denial of its future.

From the imploding Pac-12 to the imploding ACC? Brilliant. They’re smarter than that.

@heartlandcollegesports

2 ай бұрын

I'd like to think so too....!

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

The BIG12 has already imploded.

I thought Big 12 third tier rights were sold to Espn plus.

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

They were (or at least were included in the new deal), but the new contract hasn't gone into effect (I think). This is counterbalanced by this year's payment still including TX/OK.

U waitin' till 8/2/24 b4 displayin' memorabilia reppin' the "4 Corners'" schools? Ate at BD's Mongolian Grill (OverlandPark - excellent) during 1 of 2 visits to S. Johnson County, KS. Tho I like Sark/PK/Nansen at TX, the upside down horns r a nice troll. I like it. 5/27/24.

@heartlandcollegesports

2 ай бұрын

Ha thanks... new additions on the wall prior to the official new league on 7/1. Thanks for watching.

For every state the ACC adds on the accn profit increases The big 12 is a group 5 conference, the big 8 was great. Be sides that your grouped in the south midwest. The acc commish need to stop worrying about fs and Clemson and focus on future growth. Thier are unlimited possibilities. One is learn to beat better teams. Let admit there are only 3 or 4 teams in each conference that dominate. Where have vandy, miss, miss st or Missouri played for a championship. Same for northwestern, Iowa, indiana, Minnesota, Nebraska. Let's get real lot of the talk is just hype.

@heartlandcollegesports

2 ай бұрын

The Big 12 is a Group of 5 Conference? You think the ACC is better off without FSU and Clemson than the Big 12????

Utah Alumn. I think this podcast is stupid. Mundo just looks to post negative Utah content. That being said, I don't see myself traveling to the ACC markets to attend road games. I plan on going to the Little Apple to check out a game this year. Hoping to visit Lubbock in the future, and TCU has always been a great opponent. The Los Angeles schools can eat a big sack of nuts.

@Романо-ж2ь

2 ай бұрын

That’s sort of the feeling that I got, also. I get that the Big XII had already expanded a year before, but with UT/OU leaving, and the 4C schools coming in from the PAC-12, I reckon that some fanbases feel as though these imposters are overrunning their conference, and coming in with considerable hype. There is, after all, a power-vacuum that will be filled. The argument usually revolves around «Utah fans thinking that they’ll come in and run this easy conference for years to come.» As a Utah fan, I don’t discount that Utah could in fact be the best team this year, and could nearly run the table and play in the CCG. However, I also don’t discount that the conference is very wide-open and that there are a lot of existing programs that return a lot of talent, and aren’t keen to allow the “newbies” to come in and run things. Utah could very well not be the best team, and depending on injuries or other determining factors could not even be in the top few. The problem that I have with a lot of what I see on this channel and similar Big XII channels alike is the sheer amount of animus toward Utah and their fan base. I recognize that some Utah fans and even staffers felt that they were “left-behind” when some other teams from the pre-existing PAC went to the B1G, but about 90-95% of the comments I’ve seen from Utah fans are all mentioning how they’re just grateful and happy to be invited into the Big XII, and excited about the new teams, towns to play in, scheduling, and everything that comes along with that. It seems like these channels either dislike Utah as a program or are intimidated by their presence here, and justify spewing their vitriol toward Utah under the guise of some disgruntled Utah fans; few that I’ve personally seen- denouncing this conference and talking down on all of the teams in it. I will admit that the PAC-12 was objectively a stronger conference some years, and the cannibalism didn’t help their case certain years when it came to getting teams into the CFP. The Big XII was often top-heavy as a whole. It seems like a lot of these creators or people whom dislike Utah will grab any negative thing that they hear or see about Utah and run with it: whether it be true or not. Then, in the comments, it turns into a huge Utah-hate circlejerk. If it weren’t clear already in this extremely long comment, I am one of the Utah fans in my ventured 90-95 percentile of whom are glad to have a home, and look forward to playing new, (and some old MW) opponents. This is a fantastic conference for Utah, at least for the time being, and I think that the overwhelming majority of Utah fans look forward to these matchups and having a new home. I just wish that the other fanbases would play us first to see what we’re about, or wait until they attend a game here or until we attend a game there before denouncing us as the villains of the conference, or by celebrating trying to get us out of the conference that we haven’t even officially joined yet. GO UTES!

@aarontracy5160

2 ай бұрын

@juvekeeper41 Fantastic, well crafted statement. GO UTES!!!! And if we get beat by another team on the field of play, that squad earned a hard fought victory. " Death. Taxes. Utah Football."

It comes down to money. ACC despite loosing Clemson and FSU, do not think Clemson will due to a reduce rate at B10 will have pay out between 60m - 70m starting in 2027. B12 will be mid 50m. 10 m range is dependent on Clemson. A reduce rate at B10 will be same pay out as ACC. So it may be the B12 that will get pick at after ACC. Terrible ACC deal is better than B12 deal. It account for $22m pay out to players which B12 runs a deficit. ACC will allow teams to break even where B12 will be in the RED. SEC & B10 will be 100m ish and that why FSU is leaving ACC. All about the money. Hope this stuff ends but it is what it is

These rumors about Utah strike me as nothing more than clickbait, even from a supposedly reputable sports journalist.

Funny thing, Pete who has the most Big12 chmpionships? All sports! Ill wait!

@heartlandcollegesports

2 ай бұрын

Best of luck in the SEC my friend :-D

There are 5-6 programs that would be cellar dwellers in the Big 12. Why would you want to join a conference with such dead weight? Especially if Clemson and FSU have a foot out the door.

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

The new BIG12 is the bottom half of the original BIG12, plus PAC refugees, plus G5 equivalents. It's all relatively dead weight.

Wouldnt it be amusing if Utah, Az, ASU, Wash St, and Ore St all moved to the ACC? It would address a few issues including travel time & costs.

@lorenzohaynes3886

2 ай бұрын

That's not happening.

@rayharrison724

2 ай бұрын

Wrong, Cincinnati, West Virginia and UCF are the schools out on an island, Texas ,Oklahoma, Kansas ,Colorado ,Utah and Arizona are all connected and Iowa is right there by Kansas so 13 of the 16 schools really are not that far from each other.

@gagebyers1057

2 ай бұрын

@@rayharrison724you really don’t understand how this works

@rayharrison724

2 ай бұрын

@gagebyers1057 how what works? What are you smoking?

@rayharrison724

2 ай бұрын

My point is travel really isn't that bad except for the 3 schools out east.

Lots of unknowns, but Pitt is the most likely first to jump but even that's unlikely until they KNOW FSU & Clemson (and possibly more) are gone.

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

PITT was among the strongest supporters of CAL+2, so it sees the BIG12 as the option of last resort.

@vernonsheldon-witter1225

2 ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 More Shiny Objects?

@aCycloneSteve

2 ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Yes, like I said, I think it's VERY unlikely PITT does anything until they know FSU & Clemson are gone. The interesting thought I heard was that the State of North Carolina is going to keep the ACC alive no matter what. That would give them four schools. That would make it even tougher for PITT to jump. As I said, lots of unknowns.

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 More delusion? PITT no more wants to move to the already Tier 2 BIG12 than KANSAS would want to move to the future Tier 2 ACC. Different relative values.

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

@@aCycloneSteve a) And like I replied, PITT sees the BIG12 as the option of last resort and is supporting preemptive measures to deal with CLEMSON, FSU (and UNC) leaving. b) When push comes to shove, the State of NC is unlikely to sacrifice a crown jewel for NCSTATE. The purpose of the UNC audit is to provide financial evidence to prove that a move is necessary. The State can do things to help the ACC survive as a Tier 2 with the BIG12. BTW... I would guess that L'VILLE would be the first (and only) to jump even though it also strongly supported CAL+2. Tier 2 football will be fungible, and L'VILLE isn't really in brand.

Please please please let them go to the ACC.

@richaustin5849

2 ай бұрын

We get it. The rest of the teams in the B12 want a chance to win the conference. Hate to burst your bubble but Utah’s not going to the ACC and will be running this small time league.

@heartlandcollegesports

2 ай бұрын

I know a lot of BIG 12 fans feel the way you do... BTW: Hope you'll consider our free HCS message boards too! www.heartlandcollegesports.com/members-forum/?sucuriscan_lastlogin=1

@richaustin5849

2 ай бұрын

@@heartlandcollegesports subscribed to the chat board as PennUte, thanks.

@heartlandcollegesports

2 ай бұрын

@@richaustin5849 Looking forward to chatting on there!

Utah is a miserable lot. They spent decades hoping and dreaming to be in the Pac 10, and eventually earned an invite only to help burn the conference to the ground. Before the flames were even put out, they had joined the Big12, but were severely disappointed to not be invited along with their ‘peers’ to the Big10. They already seem to be looking for another accelerant and a box of matches, in an effort to thank their new hosts for taking them in. These disgruntled house guests will trash the place like a drunken frat at an Air BnB during spring break, and then take to social media to excoriate you for charging them for the repair bill (which usually consists of them claiming you hate the U because of how good they are). Big 12, you were warned, but did not listen.

Who is this kid and are you seriously buying into that Utah is looking into the ACC. Tell me you're gullible without actually having to say it. Seems like a reason for Waldo here to dislike the Utes. 👎🏼

Question: is it true that the ACC made $706M to tht B12s $510M in 2023? If so, the B12 is screwed

@vistatiger7493

2 ай бұрын

It's true. The ACC passed the Big 12 (with UT and OU)for 22 -23 FY. due to the ACC network expansion (45m per school). Only going to get worse after B12 drops to 31. 7m when UT and OU leave.

@gagebyers1057

2 ай бұрын

@@vistatiger7493not even remotely true

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

@@gagebyers1057 From 'Big Ten and SEC are again the top conferences in revenue with athlete pay plan on horizon" (May 24, 2024) The five leagues combined to generate $3.55 billion in the 2022-23 fiscal year, with the Big Ten reporting revenue of $879.9 million compared with $852.6 million for the SEC. The ACC saw the most significant increase, going from $617 million in 2021-22 to $707 million. The Pac-12, which will see 10 of its 12 members disperse to other conferences in 2024-25, generated $603.9 million. The Big 12 was fifth at $510.7 million. --- The BIG12's numbers are with TX/OK. The new contract is ~$30M per after inflation, net realignment, and including Tier 3 rights. As expected, the new BIG12 will likely pay increasingly less than the ACC, especially as the ACCN continues to mature.

@dacokc

2 ай бұрын

Even if true ACC has more members… so do the math. Difference would only be like $5 mil per school. That number is gonna drop below the Big12 when FSU, Clemson, UNC, Miami leave..

@shallojalloh

2 ай бұрын

@@dacokc | I just looked out up. It's the ACC is so bad. How cum the B12 is being them in every financial category

What makes anyone think the Big XII is bigger than the sum of its parts? It is the sum of its parts as will the post FSU departure ACC. All this if and nuts you guys throw around means nothing. For all we know only FSU may leave the ACC. And then it could be that without a network, the Big 12 may be scrambling.

Yes, is it because Utah started to feel intimidated about playing BIG12 Teams?

The episode should have been titled....Utah wanna go let'em go‼️

Why would you want to join a conference that will be dead in 2 or 3 years doesn't make much sense to me. Way better off staying in the Big12 if their leaders have any brains at all!

@netdragon256

2 ай бұрын

It won't be dead, and ACC has higher earnings

@merl-bz1bx

2 ай бұрын

b12 tv contract isn't very long bro

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

I context, the BIG12 is already dead.

@vernonsheldon-witter1225

2 ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Still more "shiny Objects?"

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 Still more ignorance. A slow boiled frog is still boiled.

Acc is a dumpster fire

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

The BIG12 is what's left after a dumpster fire. Why can't you see this?

Are the Utes so arrogant and ignorant not to see the Tea Sippers Conference (acc) crumbling like their previous conference (the PAC 2)?? Some of these so-called "Sports Writers", need a reality check and change professions!! I think the Utes fans need to come off that 'Rocky Mountain HIGH'!!

@heartlandcollegesports

2 ай бұрын

Utah has been a confusing group to figure out since their Big 12 announcement... but if they think the grass is greener in the ACC, they've lost it!

@SMichaelDeHart

2 ай бұрын

@@heartlandcollegesports indeed, Pete, indeed!!

@artpowers812

2 ай бұрын

The Tea sippers conference? Isn't that the Big 12 as Texas is the tea sippers? Maybe insiders know it is the Big 12 fans that are so arrogant as to think they are something and are in a better place than the ACC? Maybe they know that in 3 years the ACC money will be bigger and more stable than the XII.

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

In context, the BIG12 has already crumbled.

Let UTAH leave. Makes more room/money for the rest of us when BIG12 brings in LVILLE VT PITT, when ACC loses 6-8 schools to P2, which is inevitable

The ACC is not better than the big 12 lol

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

Delusional

Sounds like Utah is apprehensive about the competition in the Big 12! They want to be the big guy on the block and the ACC fits that bill better than the Big 12. In other words Utah is not looking forward to the grind of the Big 12 and the toll it will take on its players and coaches in order to make the post season in multiple sports but football and men’s basketball in particular… On the plus side Utah could help the ACC survive (assuming that is a good thing).

I have never seen the vitriol spewed towards Utah, than I have from this confrence. The Big 12 acts like they are the big 10’s little sister. Surprise! You’re not. Stop all the hate towards Utah. Utah is just fine being in the Big 12. They want to be in a stable conference, regardless of the name.

@richaustin5849

2 ай бұрын

It’s great. We Utah fans love the hate. Bring it on B12 fans. We run this sh#%ty league now!

@darrinworkman951

2 ай бұрын

I think the statement “It’s not even close” let me follow it up with “It never and won’t ever happen “. You all have drank the Blue Cougar poison tea, which is sad. You’ve been duped, bamboozled, and lied to by BYU trolls. The saddest thing is….you all fell for it.

@Романо-ж2ь

2 ай бұрын

I said something very similar in another comment. I have never seen this sort of vitriol for little to no reason. I get that a lot of people might be intimidated or offended by Utah joining this conference after some of the things that have happened. But, this channel, along with a lot of other channels are mostly a “Utah bad” circlejerk with the content that they post and the comments that they make.

@richaustin5849

2 ай бұрын

@@Романо-ж2ь I know, I find it funny. I'll lean into it every now and then and throw out some ridiculous comments...feed it a bit and it's funny to see the rise you get out of people haha.

@Романо-ж2ь

2 ай бұрын

@@richaustin5849 damn straight! :)

There are some of the original big 12 who might want to help them pack

@gijakob

2 ай бұрын

Facts. OSU and TTech will gladly pack up the Utes and send them to the ACC 😆

@richaustin5849

2 ай бұрын

We’re sure you would. You have no chance to win the league now that Utah’s in it.

Please leave ASAP

Unc is the biggest brand. Fsu has had 1 good year in over a decade. Fsu is a good football school but the Acc is building for the future. With or without FSU.

@garlandalmarode6396

2 ай бұрын

Without FSU or Clem the Acc still has the best basketball. They are bringing in a lot of money with BB. If ESPN wants Utah in they are probably going to the Acc.

@richaustin5849

2 ай бұрын

UNC is the biggest basketball brand. But football drives everything, not basketball. UNC is nothing compared to FSU in football…it’s not even close.

@richaustin5849

2 ай бұрын

@@garlandalmarode6396Basketball makes pennies on the dollar compared to football. 80%+ of all the revenues comes from football. If you want to see what happens to your league when you focus on basketball at the expense of football, just look at the Big East.

Utah to ACC, sounds like a PAC 12 arragance & thought process. Even Utah or any other team in power conf. isn't that ignorant, they must have been talking about a G5 Utah State. Only a G5 team will 😢join a dying conference.

@heartlandcollegesports

2 ай бұрын

LOL... clarified it's Utah , NOT Utah State, but funny.

@SMichaelDeHart

2 ай бұрын

Are you think...SMU??

@shallojalloh

2 ай бұрын

It's spelled "arrogance"

@shallojalloh

2 ай бұрын

Petenmu might wanna educate yourself on tht ACC Network media deal l. The ACC Network gets a 4.5% annually on their deal with ESPN. THE B12 deal doesn't have an annual increase. It's is stagnant

@shallojalloh

2 ай бұрын

Pete. The 4 teams taee came in were all G5 teams moving up to the P5. Utah is downgrading to the B12. That's why urah fans and admin isn't thrilled about the B12

I never wanted the Utes. I wanted the Oregon State Beavers a better fit.

I think Utah would rather be connected Stanford UNC Cal Miami Duke over Iowa State Cincy WVU Baylor. I would agree

@robertpearce4316

2 ай бұрын

Lol utah be going to a conference that has Stanford and Cali. That it. Lolyou should had made the pac 3

@richaustin5849

2 ай бұрын

Yes, that’s a given.

Maybe Utah is looking to take over FLA State or Clemsons' spot... Big 12 is not that appealing either. They bleed teams to the SEC and make less than the ACC. By the way, ACC can re-up the ESPN contract next year, if ESPN is willing. Anyway, ACC may need to rename to "American Coast Conference" soon

@gagebyers1057

2 ай бұрын

Lol you are kidding yourself dude… also the big 12 might make less right now but that won’t be the case for long… especially when you lose Clemson and fsu! The ACC is absolutely screwed just like the pac 12

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

@@gagebyers1057 The ACC's deal is already heavily discounted. The ACC would have to heavily deplete out to fall below the BIG12.

@vernonsheldon-witter1225

2 ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 More Shiny Objects?

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 More denial? The BIG12's media wasn't heavily discounted coming into this realignment, so the TX/OK loss impacted both actual value and the contract rate. The ACC's deal is heavily discounted, so depletion will lower actual value but not necessarily the contract rate. Facts that you don't understand must just look shiny to you?

They are probably scared. The don’t want to get exposed by the truck stop conference.

@heartlandcollegesports

2 ай бұрын

I don't know about that, I just don't think they realize what we've got in this league.

@SMichaelDeHart

2 ай бұрын

@@heartlandcollegesports I love the Blue Collar Conference!! Especially as a Mountaineer fan!! I would have puked had the Tea Sippers Conference had invited WVU. I'm glad they never did!!

@ChevelleSS-yr3gb

2 ай бұрын

@@heartlandcollegesports that’s what I’m saying

@ChevelleSS-yr3gb

2 ай бұрын

Look at big 8 / 12 records vs pack 12

Basically, they are afraid of being in the same conference with BYU....

@richaustin5849

2 ай бұрын

Poor choice of words. You meant to say Utah is ashamed to have to lower its standards to be in the same league with BYU. There, I fixed it for you.

Can we kick Utah out?

Sounds like a good idea to me. Big 12 has too many teams as it is.

@tarheel7406

2 ай бұрын

Yes... The BIG12 is too large and wide for a Tier 2. Diluted regional rivalries and inefficient travel. Hard to brand as well.

Is it just me or are Utah fans already worse than Texas fans? Mother of God… I didn’t think it’s possible, but… they’ve already succeeded.

Let Utah go then. We don’t need pompous attitudes around here.

Utah scared of real competition.

Utah, bye...you just left the Montain West. I have watched like zero Utah games...please give me Memphis, Oregon St., Washington State etc. BYU is better and more well know....