As for you, (O Muhammad), you are receiving the Qur'an from the Most Wise, the All-Knowing.

@sherifali3676

4 жыл бұрын

Faizan Akbar exactly!!! 100 pericent!!!

@raziadeel2426

3 жыл бұрын

sherif ali all manuscripts are the same the Sana’a is the same but the bottom layer has mistakes do that’s why it was washed over and rewritten so all Qurans are the same mashallah

Why are christians so angry with this? Are you hurt?....or just loosing your faith in your bible...

@omarfutbol6320

5 жыл бұрын

Good one bro, they just jealous and try to find anything to defame islam. There is just one problem with that, islam will continue and alhamdulliah I am a proud muslim

@pzshakoor7013

5 жыл бұрын

Because new christian generation would easy loose faith

@hegagi839

4 жыл бұрын

Why would Christians be angry? God says, " Love your neighbours as thyself". Muslims will be definitely angry if they were refuted what was written and when they mentioned what were written in your hadiths. You will use words like Islamophobia, racist, hate etc. Muslims preachers are generally not truthful in their speeches. They skipped those that they think will damage Islam until Christians and others pointed out their verses to common people.Many presenters like Apostate prophets, Christian Prince, Robert Spencer, David Wood here were threatened. Now you tell me who is angry?

@notaprophetandnotforprofit2369

4 жыл бұрын

Who is doing suicide bombing.. isnt that muslim.. isnt suicide bombing is expression of deep hate.. isnt muslim who chanting curse to non believers 5x a day... and you say we hate/we are jealous... hahaha..

@John14.6

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Abdul. See my comment on 7th July.

Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Quran) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption). Quran 15 9

@lighto2240

4 жыл бұрын

Please correct it, Dhikr is the Quran and the sunna not just the Quran

The page to the left : دَعَوْا لِلرَّحْمَنِ وَلَدًا (91) وَمَا يَنْبَغِي لِلرَّحْمَنِ أَنْ يَتَّخِذَ وَلَدًا (92) إِنْ كُلُّ مَنْ فِي السَّمَوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ إِلَّا آَتِي الرَّحْمَنِ عَبْدًا (93) لَقَدْ أَحْصَاهُمْ وَعَدَّهُمْ عَدًّا (94) وَكُلُّهُمْ آَتِيهِ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ فَرْدًا (95) إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آَمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ سَيَجْعَلُ لَهُمُ الرَّحْمَنُ وُدًّا (96) فَإِنَّمَا يَسَّرْنَاهُ بِلِسَانِكَ لِتُبَشِّرَ بِهِ الْمُتَّقِينَ وَتُنْذِرَ بِهِ قَوْمًا لُدًّا (97) وَكَمْ أَهْلَكْنَا قَبْلَهُمْ مِنْ قَرْنٍ هَلْ تُحِسُّ مِنْهُمْ مِنْ أَحَدٍ أَوْ تَسْمَعُ لَهُمْ رِكْزًا (98) بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم ... طه (1) مَا أَنْزَلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْقُرْآَنَ لِتَشْقَى (2) إِلَّا تَذْكِرَةً لِمَنْ يَخْشَى (3) تَنْزِيلًا مِمَّنْ خَلَقَ الْأَرْضَ وَالسَّمَوَاتِ الْعُلَى (4) الرَّحْمَنُ عَلَى الْعَرْشِ اسْتَوَى (5) لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا وَمَا تَحْتَ الثَّرَى (6) وَإِنْ تَجْهَرْ بِالْقَوْلِ فَإِنَّهُ يَعْلَمُ السِّرَّ وَأَخْفَى (7) اللَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا هُوَ لَهُ الْأَسْمَاءُ الْحُسْنَى (8) وَهَلْ أَتَاكَ حَدِيثُ مُوسَى (9) إِذْ رَأَى نَارًا فَقَالَ لِأَهْلِهِ امْكُثُوا إِنِّي آَنَسْتُ نَارًا لَعَلِّي آَتِيكُمْ مِنْهَا بِقَبَسٍ أَوْ أَجِدُ عَلَى النَّارِ هُدًى (10) فَلَمَّا أَتَاهَا نُودِيَ يَا مُوسَى (11) إِنِّي أَنَا رَبُّكَ فَاخْلَعْ نَعْلَيْكَ إِنَّكَ بِالْوَادِ الْمُقَدَّسِ طُوًى (12) وَأَنَا اخْتَرْتُكَ That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son. And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son. There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant. He has enumerated them and counted them a [full] counting. And all of them are coming to Him on the Day of Resurrection alone. Indeed, those who have believed and done righteous deeds - the Most Merciful will appoint for them affection. So, [O Muhammad], We have only made Qur'an easy in the Arabic language that you may give good tidings thereby to the righteous and warn thereby a hostile people. And how many have We destroyed before them of generations? Do you perceive of them anyone or hear from them a sound? Ta, Ha. We have not sent down to you the Qur'an that you be distressed But only as a reminder for those who fear [ Allah ] - A revelation from He who created the earth and highest heavens, The Most Merciful [who is] above the Throne established. To Him belongs what is in the heavens and what is on the earth and what is between them and what is under the soil. And if you speak aloud - then indeed, He knows the secret and what is [even] more hidden. Allah - there is no deity except Him. To Him belong the best names. And has the story of Moses reached you? - When he saw a fire and said to his family, "Stay here; indeed, I have perceived a fire; perhaps I can bring you a torch or find at the fire some guidance." And when he came to it, he was called, "O Moses, Indeed, I am your Lord, so remove your sandals. Indeed, you are in the sacred valley of Tuwa. And I have chosen you, --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Page to the right: لِشَيْءٍ إِنِّي فَاعِلٌ ذَلِكَ غَدًا (23) إِلَّا أَنْ يَشَاءَ اللَّهُ وَاذْكُرْ رَبَّكَ إِذَا نَسِيتَ وَقُلْ عَسَى أَنْ يَهْدِيَنِ رَبِّي لِأَقْرَبَ مِنْ هَذَا رَشَدًا (24) وَلَبِثُوا فِي كَهْفِهِمْ ثَلَاثَ مِاْئَةٍ سِنِينَ وَازْدَادُوا تِسْعًا (25) قُلِ اللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا لَبِثُوا لَهُ غَيْبُ السَّمَوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ أَبْصِرْ بِهِ وَأَسْمِعْ مَا لَهُمْ مِنْ دُونِهِ مِنْ وَلِيٍّ وَلَا يُشْرِكُ فِي حُكْمِهِ أَحَدًا (26) وَاتْلُ مَا أُوحِيَ إِلَيْكَ مِنْ كِتَابِ رَبِّكَ لَا مُبَدِّلَ لِكَلِمَاتِهِ وَلَنْ تَجِدَ مِنْ دُونِهِ مُلْتَحَدًا (27) وَاصْبِرْ نَفْسَكَ مَعَ الَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ رَبَّهُمْ بِالْغَدَاةِ وَالْعَشِيِّ يُرِيدُونَ وَجْهَهُ وَلَا تَعْدُ عَيْنَاكَ عَنْهُمْ تُرِيدُ زِينَةَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَلَا تُطِعْ مَنْ أَغْفَلْنَا قَلْبَهُ عَنْ ذِكْرِنَا وَاتَّبَعَ هَوَاهُ وَكَانَ أَمْرُهُ فُرُطًا (28) وَقُلِ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَبِّكُمْ فَمَنْ شَاءَ فَلْيُؤْمِنْ وَمَنْ شَاءَ فَلْيَكْفُرْ إِنَّا أَعْتَدْنَا لِلظَّالِمِينَ نَارًا أَحَاطَ بِهِمْ سُرَادِقُهَا وَإِنْ يَسْتَغِيثُوا يُغَاثُوا بِمَاءٍ كَالْمُهْلِ يَشْوِي الْوُجُوهَ بِئْسَ الشَّرَابُ وَسَاءَتْ مُرْتَفَقًا (29) إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آَمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ إِنَّا لَا نُضِيعُ أَجْرَ مَنْ أَحْسَنَ عَمَلًا (30) أُولَئِكَ لَهُمْ جَنَّاتُ عَدْنٍ تَجْرِي مِنْ تَحْتِهِمُ الْأَنْهَارُ يُحَلَّوْنَ فِيهَا مِنْ أَسَاوِرَ مِنْ ذَهَبٍ وَيَلْبَسُونَ ثِيَابًا خُضْرًا مِنْ سُنْدُسٍ وَإِسْتَبْرَقٍ مُتَّكِئِينَ فِيهَا عَلَى الْأَرَائِكِ And never say of anything, "Indeed, I will do that tomorrow," Except [when adding], "If Allah wills." And remember your Lord when you forget [it] and say, "Perhaps my Lord will guide me to what is nearer than this to right conduct." And they remained in their cave for three hundred years and exceeded by nine. Say, " Allah is most knowing of how long they remained. He has [knowledge of] the unseen [aspects] of the heavens and the earth. How Seeing is He and how Hearing! They have not besides Him any protector, and He shares not His legislation with anyone." And recite, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord. There is no changer of His words, and never will you find in other than Him a refuge. And keep yourself patient [by being] with those who call upon their Lord in the morning and the evening, seeking His countenance. And let not your eyes pass beyond them, desiring adornments of the worldly life, and do not obey one whose heart We have made heedless of Our remembrance and who follows his desire and whose affair is ever [in] neglect. And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place. Indeed, those who have believed and done righteous deeds - indeed, We will not allow to be lost the reward of any who did well in deeds. Those will have gardens of perpetual residence; beneath them rivers will flow. They will be adorned therein with bracelets of gold and will wear green garments of fine silk and brocade, reclining therein on adorned couches. Excellent is the reward, and good is the resting place.

The Quran has never been changed and never will inshallah

@sherifali3676

4 жыл бұрын

shea oneill sohihi!!!

@keyurpatel503

4 жыл бұрын

There are at least two versions that I know of, the Hafs and Warsh versions. There would be many more. The vowels were inserted much, much after Muhammad's death.

@keyurpatel503

4 жыл бұрын

In Quran 18:86, Dhu'l Qarnayn finds the sun setting in a muddy spring, according to the Qira'at used by today's most popular transmissions of the Qur'an. However, in around half of the various Qira'at the sun instead sets in a warm spring. The latter variant is even used in some English translations. It is easy to see how the corruption arose (whichever one is the variant). The arabic word حَمِئَة (hami'atin - muddy) sounds very similar to the completely different word حَامِيَة (hamiyatin - warm). Al-Tabari records in his tafseer for this verse the differing opinions on whether the sun sets in muddy or warm water.

@Ibrahim-we6mk

4 жыл бұрын

Keyur Patel وجدها تغرب في عين حمئة meaning it seemed as if it was setting in a muddy lake notice it says it seemed and not that it was setting in a muddy/warm lake read tafsiir books and then talk about the quran

@Ibrahim-we6mk

4 жыл бұрын

Keyur Patel Muhammad pbuh read in his prayers with all the different vowels you hear today and thats how he got it from gabriel and thats how gabriel got it from the God

People in this comment section really hear what they want, the point of the video is IT IS THE SAME, the only difference is unsorted letters, you don't need to be a scholar to understand that for about 50 years after the Qur'an was written dots were introduced to guide in pronunciation, proof of it's old age in itself, and not evidence of corruption, simple really. But when you are hard hearted and wish for something to prove your preconceived notions, however misguided they are. I read people SAY this video is proof of something the video didn't imply, suggest or in any way do. Hate is a strong word but an even more powerful emotion, it clouds your judgement. Clearly. Woe that Day, to the denier. The right way has been clearly divided from the way of error.

@jeffa4822

4 жыл бұрын

read your bible, tell me whether it make sense or not, surely you dont even read it!!

@jeffa4822

4 жыл бұрын

0 0 the science was Flourish in the Islamic Empire when europe was still in the dark ages!! read your history!!

@Toolgdskli

4 жыл бұрын

The fault should be placed on the idiots, who claimed that it is exactly the same to the dot in the first place, not on those who challenge that position.

@wailalsaidi7159

4 жыл бұрын

Someone mad that we got the same buy bible got thousand of different versions Christianity is false religion and known that people don’t really follow it as much as Muslims follow their religion STOP HATING SON GET. YOURE FACTS TOGTHER BOI

@MMOInformers

4 жыл бұрын

@Rodney James Yes, listen to a fabricated book called the bible.

the logic is pretty simple. Yes it's not exactly the same, but the words are still in the right place . The logic here is that a native reader of the Arabic language is able to read the Qur'an without the accents which represent the elongated vowels. Just like when I read the Qur'an in Arabic, I don't pay attention to the vowels(accents) at the top and pronounce it as if I was reading just the letters. However, there are classes for reading the Qur'an in the accepted ways of pronunciation, these do not change the actual meaning of the words. This is why the old Qur'an is written in an older style of Arabic, and the new one is easier to read with legible writting and vowels at the top. When the caliphs were trying to teach to non-Arabs who were learning the language, the people such as the Persians and Afghans, and the Turks had problems pronouncing things in the accepted manners. That's why there are Qur'anic reading classes. The same logic applies to the French language. Because I am both a native French and Arabic speaker, I can read words in French without the accents on them and still be able to decipher how it's properly pronounced. However, to someone who isn't a native speaker of the language and is trying to learn, their speech isn't as refined and can be confused whether or not the accents are even there. This is something I see when I take French classes in university, where some students started learning French a few years ago, while I started at the age of 5, hence why my pronunciation is a lot more refined than that of other students. Also even if the manuscript is old it’s not the oldest . The oldest are from 625 and they’re in a library in Algeria. that’s at the time of the prophet pbuh. On top of that, there was a time when these Kufic and other dialects of Arabic were allowed for writing the Quran. Eventually people started mispronouncing the Quran to the point where the rulers and scholars decided that no longer are those allowed and only the ancient Hejazi maawi (or however you spell it) dialect of Arabia which is the original dialect of the Quran will be allowed for mass production and distribution. That’s why ones like this were destroyed, because people basically said “forget this let’s just stick with exactly the original and then stick vowels in coloured markings on top to help with tajweed/pronunciation. Hope this comment helps too

@eddiempate600

4 жыл бұрын

mohammed rashwan jazzakallah kheir bro....good insight

@benkempton6293

4 жыл бұрын

What manuscripts of 625 AD are you talking about?

@salehdargahi4355

4 жыл бұрын

True brother and this Quran is written in Northern Arabian writing style as it supposed to be. The same as the one of 625 in Algeria.

@benkempton6293

4 жыл бұрын

@@salehdargahi4355@ which Algerian manuscript of Qur'an are you talking about?

@salehdargahi4355

4 жыл бұрын

@@benkempton6293 search Google "Quran 625 in Algeria"

After knowing the hand writing well and recognizing the pattern of their writing(no dots at times- no vowels at certain places- no ‘hamza’ sometimes), I read it very very very fluently and easily as if it is the Quran that I would use to read from today! Extremely proud! This is just affirmation, we already know this... Muslims memorize it by heart and pass it through generations that way, yet the book is identical to the one we have today.

@e-college-sait

2 жыл бұрын

No such a thing as identical. 30 different readings even in the 21th century. How come? the texts was agreed on in 1985 not before!!!

@shammaalali6889

2 жыл бұрын

@@e-college-sait “30 different readings” You said it; *readings* In the 7th century, in the Arabian peninsula, there were countless Arab tribes that spoke slightly different Arabic dialects at the time. When Islam reached them(tribes surrounding the Quraish tribe), the Quran was read in the Quraish style of reading (their accent/pronunciation). The other tribes had elders and people that were never used to speaking another dialect. The Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) got this news and he prayed to God (Allah -God in Arabic-) that it may be read in their dialect. Allah answered his prayers and eventually made it permissible to be read in 7 “tongues”. A tongue in like dialect, each tongue (dialect of a tribe) has multiple (very similar) ways of pronunciation, all of their ways of reading is valid. So technically the amount of ‘readings’ are countless but they are all approved by the prophet himself at his time. He read using these styles of reading and taught them to others. This is well established at the time of the prophet himself. This is found so many places in the book of Bukhari in numinous Hadiths (quotes of the prophet) in authentic narrations by hundreds and hundreds of narrators.

@shammaalali6889

2 жыл бұрын

@@e-college-sait “The texts were agreed on in 1985 not before!!!” My brother, you clearly don’t know a thing about the preservation of the Quran. During the life of the prophet, thousands of people memorized the Quran. When the prophet died, Abu Bakir ruled the Muslims. Within the first (mostly second) year after the death of the prophet, Abu Bakir made that collection of surahs (chapters) of the Quran to make the first cover to cover hard copy Quran. Then he kept that hard copy under the supervision of Hafsa Bin Uman (wife of the prophet). (Notes: Arabs were so good at memorizing texts, a culture writing down things was uncommon, to the point that people that knew how write were very few and had big positions in the tribe.) After roughly ten years of the first physical copy, Uthman (the Khalifa at the time) rewrote/recollected the Quran in a more supervised and precise manner. Having made 4 copies, each from the memorized Quran of two different qualified people respected in this field (so it’s 8 qualified people, each 2 giving a hard copy of their agreed upon memorization). Uthman took this step for a number of reasons: 1) he saw that the *average Muslims* were disagreeing on their memorization. 2) he saw that the *average Muslims* had conflict because they didn’t know that others can read in a different dialect so they fought over it. 3) he saw that the Muslims were significantly growing in number so that people that didn’t speak Arabic converted to Islam and struggled with reading the Quran. Thus, a shared, read physical copy, became urgent. All of this is in the introduction of Ibin Katheer’s book: (The Interpretation of the Glorious Quran)

@e-college-sait

2 жыл бұрын

Stop using invalid arguments. The difference have nothing to do with different local dialects, the differences are much more substantial in so much that the teachers in Cairo were not able to understand the students quoting different versions. That gave rise to the acceptance of the 1924/5 koran version, first in Egypt, later all over the Islamic world. But the alternative versions are all over and still in use. So much so that we have a picture of 26 versions

@shammaalali6889

2 жыл бұрын

@@e-college-sait First of all, we don’t have anything that we refer to as “Quran version”. Second of all, teachers not understanding different readings is just because it’s a different reading, DAH! It’s a different tribal dialect/accent. There are countless Arabic dialects, so don’t tell me about my language, ask me about it. “That they rise the acceptance of the 1924/5 koran ‘version’” Again not a version, it’s a reading (as *YOU* called it in the very beginning)! Second, we commonly agree to read in the reading style of Quraish (tribe of Prophet Mohammed) because it’s the most widespread (people of Arabic tribes but non Quraishi tended to read in other readings for the previously told reasons). When Uthman recollected the Quran (more details in the previous reply), he made the anointed qualified people to write in the Quraishi dialect so that most Muslims agree on it especially the non Arab converts (exception for the ones that belonged to other Arabic isolated tribes that struggled with the Quraishi dialect)

Dr.shabeer you are clear as day light keep it up .

@jamilamohamed444

5 жыл бұрын

jamila mohamed 2 seconds ago Yes Carbon dating cannot give exact date but approximate dates which is also deemed as only 95 % so this research puts the date 568-645 AD which is correct and under the exact time of parchments written since Quran was recorded & written during The Prophet in bits and pieces but was made into one complete book in 633 AD by Abu bakr , the first caliph and was retained later . . This findings actually refutes earlier claims by the Apologetics that the Quran was only written after decades or 100 years after the demise of Prophet and also there were some companions like Ibn Masud who did not burn some parchments as was known later So there is no Doubt these 4 pages could be written between 610 -645 AD though its well known revelations were Memorized and written down as well from then . . Some claim that this contains suras 18-20 and so story of Jesus is there which we can't be confirmed unless until it was confirmed my knowledgeable Muslim Paleographers . And if that was true its affirms that again that Jesus 's history in Quran is not exactly as the history claimed by the trinity believing Christians proving these findings were only from Prophet Muhammad . (pbuh) and some doubts cast before due to early dating is as its told its not exact date and the paper could have been older good quality paper used but still written after 610 AD.

@shaikhkarim1992

5 жыл бұрын

Dont call them kuffar u may never know when they will have imann inshaaalh

@jamesj.combe-bouquet9830

4 жыл бұрын

@@shaikhkarim1992 There is no original Quran, the book said to be perfect & complete. All the earliest copies are incomplete & different, with omissions, erasures, alterations, additions - hence imperfect in every way. You would think a recitation by Gabriel you make valuable copy, but Mohammad didn't leave one.

@pamalickkujabi3461

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamesj.combe-bouquet9830 What point are you trying to make?

@revolution8138

4 жыл бұрын

Karim Shaikh Kafir is not an insult, it simply mean not believing in something, like we Muslims we are kufar to their scriptures.

I t was good listening to Dr. Shabir.. such a bright man and so eloquent too !!

@SpJrD

4 жыл бұрын

Lurius Sky you have so much hate against Islam

@SpJrD

4 жыл бұрын

Lurius Sky you’re so confusing, what are you trying to say?

@SpJrD

4 жыл бұрын

Lurius Sky be more clear, your writing is the confusing, you start talking about him now about me

(O Prophet), We are well aware of what they say; and you are not required to force things on them. So exhort with the Qur'an all those who fear My warning.

and to recite the Qur'an." So, whosoever is guided, his guidance will be to his own good. As for those who stray, tell them: "I am none but a warner."

As a muslim this discovery doesn’t affect my belief because deep inside I know Quran has never been changed.

The reason why Uthman (رضي الله عنه) ordered the burning of the older Qurans (story time)!! hudhaifa ibn yaman a companion of the prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) observed the difference in the dialect/reading of the quran in the newly conquered areas especially among the new converts, he got alarmed and reported to uthman (رضي الله عنه) and suggested immediate action should be taken lest something should happen to the quran as had been the case with the earlier scriptures of the Jews and Christians uthman then entrusted Zayed Ibn Thabit (رضي الله عنه) to make a number of copies of the Quran in the custody of Hafsah (a widow of the prophet) (its another story of ur interested) Uthman said to the three men entrusted with the task that in case they disagree on any point in the quran , the write it in the dialect of the Quraish as it was revealed in their tongue they did so and after they written many copies Uthman sent ever muslim province one copy and ordered that all quranic material be burned so in conclusion Uthman ordered the burning of the older Qurans to avoid people from coming up with different versions of it as had happened with the Christians and unite them all under on true quran

@perlitocabauatan9285

6 жыл бұрын

which make the better muslim, sunnis or shias?

@ummudarwish4761

6 жыл бұрын

+Perlito Cabauatan Sunni..very obvious. You just have to see it with clear heart. But before that, you need to learn Islam specifically. By guidance from Allah, we can always see the truth.

@mosemanavan

6 жыл бұрын

whenever a story starts with a friend of friend of mine told me this , you can start smelling the bullshits packed..

@galaxyhood4198

6 жыл бұрын

Lol clowns

@romydial

5 жыл бұрын

They will never put out the light of Allah lol let them keep trying though

5:23 | second half of the page on the left side of the Quran is surah taha, I think chapter 16

@AbzRaz

4 жыл бұрын

definitely is surah taha! masha'Allah and if you look at the surah above that ends, it is definitely surah maryam. so the order is the same too

@riazchowdhuryy8249

4 жыл бұрын

Subhanallah that’s true, I’ve realised tho surah Taha is actually chapter 20 tho

@riazchowdhuryy8249

4 жыл бұрын

My mistake lol

the old things that written in Arabic has no dot in it, which make it so hard to read. 4:50 was so hard to read it for me.

@yousafzaikhan8745

7 жыл бұрын

That's just show how knowledgeable you are in grammatical since you don't understand how much a difference a simple dot so to a text in Arabic

@farazfarazi7832

5 жыл бұрын

I can read it... despite being non Arab... Bismillah Hir Rahman Nir Raheem Kul Audhu Bi Rabb in Naas........

Surah 10:94 If thou were in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.

AlhamDulilah! May Allah reward you with Jenat al ferdous!

I love listening to Dr Shabir. He always has a balanced, factual views to things

so even in old quran do we have that verse " La ilaha illallah Muhammadur Rasulullah " ??

Uthmaan asked Hafsah for the original copy of the Qur’aan and called on Zayd ibn Thaabit to head a committee of four Qur’anic scholars who would take on the task of making the official copies. When the copies were completed, the original was returned to Hafsah. A total of seven copies were made and one was sent to Makkah, another to Syria, one to Basrah, one to Kufah, one to Yemen, one to Bahrain and one was kept in the capital, al-Madeenah. Caliph ‘Uthmaan sent an official reciter of the Qur’aan with each copy in order to clear up any problems which might later arise. He also ordered that all other copies of the Qur’aan be destroyed, as people had made notes in their personal copies and some copies were incomplete. All new copies were then made from the official copy called Mus-haf Uthmaan, and in that way the Qur’aan was saved from any kind of change or loss. This process was completed in the year 646 C.E., two years after ‘Uthmaan became the new Caliph

@jamilamohamed444

5 жыл бұрын

jamila mohamed 2 seconds ago Yes Carbon dating cannot give exact date but approximate dates which is also deemed as only 95 % so this research puts the date 568-645 AD which is correct and under the exact time of parchments written since Quran was recorded & written during The Prophet in bits and pieces but was made into one complete book in 633 AD by Abu bakr , the first caliph and was retained later . . This findings actually refutes earlier claims by the Apologetics that the Quran was only written after decades or 100 years after the demise of Prophet and also there were some companions like Ibn Masud who did not burn some parchments as was known later So there is no Doubt these 4 pages could be written between 610 -645 AD . Some claim that this contains suras 18-20 and so story of Jesus is there which we can't be confirmed unless until it was confirmed my knowledgeable Muslim Paleographers . And if that was true its affirms that again that Jesus 's history in Quran is not exactly as the history claimed by the trinity believing Christians proving these findings were only from Prophet Muhammad . (pbuh) and some doubts cast before due to early dating is as its told its not exact date and the paper could have been older good quality paper used but still written after 610 AD.

@vernonmosweu2807

5 жыл бұрын

jamila mohamed I personally would not care what the Quran says about Jesus. After all the islamists sought to negate who Jesus truly is. Just recently we've heard the pathetic Zakir's claims that Jesus was never crucified. What pathetic propaganda. Jesus is Peace, His Gospel is Peace, Love for one another, Forgiveness and salvation. He values the life of every person regardless of religions, even that of those who work vigorously to negate and down grade. The Prince of Peace, all human life is precious to Him, even the lives of the so-called infidels. He abhors violence, wars, vengeance and hatred of brother against fellow brother. He's Lord over all the earth and all creation. Amen.

@Skengmansej

2 жыл бұрын

@@vernonmosweu2807 calm down vernon

Birmingham MY CITY ❤️

@jamesj.combe-bouquet9830

4 жыл бұрын

There is no original Quran, the book said to be perfect & complete. All the earliest copies are incomplete & different, with omissions, erasures, alterations, additions - hence imperfect in every way. You would think a recitation by Gabriel you make valuable copy, but Mohammad didn't leave one.

@revolution8138

4 жыл бұрын

James J. Combe-Bouquet 😭😭😢😢😢

@standardname1295

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂 muslims know what the punishment is when you change gods book and fool your one people...........

@mohammedjafferali693

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamesj.combe-bouquet9830 lol look at the denial what a sore loser!

@teamkrishnabhaktas9648

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesj.combe-bouquet9830 bruh. .

what's the manuscript called? to verify how old and know how "exactly" or more specifically determine how many text variance it has?

@emolovesucs

4 жыл бұрын

Google it out Birmingham Quran Manuscript Also you can google Saa'na Manuscript

@buhawilakas4439

4 жыл бұрын

@@emolovesucs yes, done it already. The Birmingham manuscript is very early. So early it even predates Mohammad's birth. Too much for the Islamic tradition that Quran was given through Mohammad. I'm still looking though for the textual variants of Birmingham manuscript. I have also come across the San'a manuscript before and how damaging it is with Islamic tradition.

@emolovesucs

4 жыл бұрын

@@buhawilakas4439 regarding on the probability that it predate the age of Prophet Muhammad saw is there, but let's not ignore, the dating was made based on the life of the animal skin. Not the text itself. Keith Small, of Oxford’s Bodleian Library, cautioned that carbon dating was done only on the Koran’s parchment and not its ink, but he said the dates were probably accurate. You can go to this link answering to why it can't be predating the prophet age other than the reason i put up above. medium.com/@shaykhdaniel/no-the-birmingham-quran-does-not-predate-muhammad-33122521c648

@buhawilakas4439

4 жыл бұрын

@@emolovesucs let's not forget that it doesn't mean immediately the ink is not the same age as the parchment. Considering ancient practice of using parchment as soon as they're available. It's not the lack of what's to write was in shortage back then. It's the lack of available writing materials. That's why parchment and papyri get used as soon as available. Old writings needs copying. New ideas needs writing. No one should be obtuse enough to think otherwise.

@emolovesucs

4 жыл бұрын

@@buhawilakas4439 that's why u shud go into the link and see what it says. The scriptures found in the parchment did talk about Muhammad, which is making it impossible for it to predate the person the scriptures was talking.

And surely We have explained matters to people in the Qur'an in diverse ways, using all manner of parables. But man is exceedingly contentious.

Allahumma swalli alaa Muhammad wa aali Muhammad

In the sense that Mary was related to Aaron, but by many generations...God bless them, and He knows better.

@ReulMcGillolane

7 жыл бұрын

Haroon al Amriki I have no idea what you are talking about, but you are rude and disrespectful.

@ReulMcGillolane

7 жыл бұрын

Haroon al Amriki By your name, I assume you're Muslim. By your words I can't tell.

@surewin3307

6 жыл бұрын

U meant "sister of Aaron" verse in Quran??how bout Jesus son of David or Joseph etc..so obviously u dont know wth u talkin bout. it simply meant in term of faith n lineage..back then to recognise a person virtue,its a norm to call somebody followed by a pious person name get it??

All dating methods have a range of error: for instance dendrochronology is only accurate to within part of a year. C-14 depends on the materials.

@yasinock5107

3 жыл бұрын

Hard to accept right? Even Cristians scientist find and proof with carbon test .

One small problem - its latest possible date predates the terminus post quem for compilation (and this text shows a chapter division). More interestingly, the early range of possible dates for the text predate Muhammad himself. We know that Allah was worshipped before Muhammad since both Allah and Allat (fem.) creature in theophoric names from Northern Arabia at a much earlier period. Likewise Allat appears to have been worshiped at Mecca. In either case this deserves serious attention, not merely a rush to explain away and appropriate text

Subhan allah

This is truly a great find ! It puts to rest some of the claims that the Quran has been changed over time.

@purwantodanusugondo538

8 жыл бұрын

+Shane Stone - Especially when it is confirmed that the few pages actually PREDATE Muhammad and Islam! I hope you appreciate the implications of Qur'anic verses that were extant before Muhammad was born, before Muhammad received his first 'revelation'.

@purwantodanusugondo538

8 жыл бұрын

The Gospel of Barnabas was a shabby bogus stupid 'gospel'. Note the following points: 1. The author did not realize that 'Jesus the Messiah' is the same as 'Jesus the Christ' - just in different languages. 2. Muslims rejoiced with the publication because Jesus allegedly stated that he was not the messiah, the messiah would come after him and his name was Ahmad. The dumb author didn't realize that his fabrication would mean that there would be TWO Messiahs / Al Masih in the Qur'an. The original Isa Al Masih and AHMAD Al Masih! 3. The author stated that Joseph was a rich landowner instead of being a carpenter; 4. He mentioned that Jerusalem was a sea port. Muslims would believe in anything that could prove Muhammad was a true prophet. They usually end up by embarrassing Islam and themselves.

@Sr68720

8 жыл бұрын

+Paul Rantau The pages were dated of the span of the prophet's life, so you cherry pick the date before to construct a false argument, drowning man clutches at straws. lol

@purwantodanusugondo538

8 жыл бұрын

Sr68720 Mate, you're forgetting the fact that according to Muhammad himself the first revelation came when he was 40 years old. The ancient Qur'ans discovered by German anthropologists in 1972 at the Great Mosque of Sana'a clearly show variations in the ayat. And we mustn't forget the sad fact that 3rd Caliph ordered the burning of ALL the records of the revelations. No one knows whether the current Osmani Qur'an is in any way similar to the original mushafs.

@Sr68720

8 жыл бұрын

Paul Rantau you had some credibility until you said "And we mustn't forget the sad fact that 3rd Caliph ordered the burning of ALL the records of the revelations." which shows you don't know anything. The carbon dating was between 570 and 645 and so it is plausible it was written after his 40 years of age.

I've heard that there is a Syro-Aramaic version of the Koran that differs from other versions, anyone heard of this ?

@KnowledgeBoutique

4 жыл бұрын

It would be a translation but not " different" as you're implying

@hakamabukaraki7456

3 жыл бұрын

U said it yourself little christian Aramiac !!!

May Allah bless the speakers of the truth, forgive those who mistakenly misspoke, and curse those who intentionally meant to deceive or misguide others ameen.

@bilaljahi5364

4 жыл бұрын

shuayb khalouf we should not ask Allah to curse anyone. Many evil people became Muslims because Allah changed their hearts. Let’s ask that Allah guide them. If we want to know the secrets of the universe, let us all enter the dimensions of love. We are Muslim and are expected to have the best character, we don’t curse anyone. That is left up to the discretion of the ultimate judge. Be careful 📿🤲🏾

@dru4670

4 жыл бұрын

We don't make sure du'a to curse people in Islam. May, Allah guide you?

Ya Allah thank you. For take me away from the ignorance of the darkness of Christianity to the light of the only true religion [Islam]. I found the peace and happiness that I never experience in Christianity. May Allah grant more people to Islam and make us die as Muslims. Ameen.

@subzero3056

5 жыл бұрын

Amen

@eddiempate600

4 жыл бұрын

Amiin

@MP-yc2ou

4 жыл бұрын

Darkness of Christianity? Explain.. What about the darkness of Islam and that false prophet of Islam? Islam is a lie, the quran is a lie come out of it and come to Jesus Christ

@MP-yc2ou

4 жыл бұрын

@OpBott ii can prove this many ways by either quoting your Quran/hadiths... or by simply going to any country that is governed by your "religion of peace" and simply saying i am a Christian.

a great discovery indeed !!

For those criticising or against the reasoning of this video, would you kindly rewrite your comments in old English and you will understand the differences and points he was trying to explain. Just start by the recent English, like one Shakespeare's used. Rewrite again with older English. Off course meaning will never change unless you used something like coffee, alkaline, algebra, etc. Which are borrowed words. Thanks

@alexwest2573

7 ай бұрын

There is also the 7 maybe 13 letters that got left out of the current English alphabet

Still wondering , who gives him "Dr." before his name ??? and the main question FOR WHAT !! ???

@momenroshdy3886

3 жыл бұрын

Dr. Shabir Ally holds a B.A. in Religious Studies from Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario, with a specialization in Biblical Literature. He also holds an M.A. and a Ph.D from the University of Toronto with a specialization in Quranic Exegesis (tafsir).

amazing the Miracle of Qur'an

@suzanasuzana2577

7 жыл бұрын

Speaking the truth yes, girl is pretty in hijab

I don't understand: at first no one had a religion, then God said, Judaism is a religion, then he didn't like Jews and said Christianity is a religion, then he didn't like them also and said Islam is a religion? What about Hinduism and Buddhism and etc.. Why so many religions over the years? Or was someone benefiting from this all along?

@porypany-Adamek

8 жыл бұрын

I think there is no god!there was/is a creator!when it created universe and intelligent life that intelligent life started creating other intelligent lifes and over the creation time something went wrong so odd creatures were created and started to mix everything for a bad side but luckly most of creatures are good and stopping those bad ones!like islam!maby it`s good thing but some odd one changed it to bad thing and good ones don`t like islam anymore!my thoughts!

@genesis7506

7 жыл бұрын

Mohammed was not the first prophet, Jesus came before him. And Jesus was not the second prophet, David came before him. And David was not the third prophet, Moses came before him. And Moses was not the fourth prophet, Abraham came before him. And Abraham was not the fifth prophet, Noah came before him. And Noah wasn't the first prophet, there came a lot more before him. The point is, they are all human beings inspired by God who created the Heavens and the Earth. The main message of this inspiration is "There is no deity except that of God". Quote from the Torah in an english translation: Torah - Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

@akkafietje137

7 жыл бұрын

David and Muhammad were no prophets it all What did they predict, to prove they were real ?

@d19d69

7 жыл бұрын

Any thought process that sprouts out of main stream of higher spiritual quest, by means of interpretations or perceptions by individual(s) to suit a certain social framework becomes religion, so that it binds together the believers of that spiritual interpretations. Now I leave this point to your interpretations.

@weavehole

7 жыл бұрын

God is an imbecile or god doesn't exist or god is a troll.

I'm most exited for this old Qur'an parchment and mashallah Dr. Ally has great fluent English

The Quran was just in different Arabic dialects whereas the bible is changed everyday on Microsoft word How are the Christians gonna say we change our books smh it’s hypocritical may Allah SWT Guide them all

Qur'an not changed even 1 Dot. how about 1 verse.wkwkw

there is only 1 Quran and there is 100 different incorrect bible 😂😂😂

@dearcharly9110

5 жыл бұрын

Exsactlym ours is corrupt and yours is not, is hust have supposed to be 30 meanings. And it is saying that the qyran is from the devil and not from angel jibreel

@chuckbriggs

5 жыл бұрын

One Qur'an that is total Bull Shiite.

@heythere6655

5 жыл бұрын

There are 30+ Qur’ans, and numerous version of the Bible, which uses different words to describe the same sets of events. We don’t deny that. But Muslims do deny and claim a lot. This manuscript is carbon dated before Mo was born and 7 years before the Qur’an was written. 🤷‍♀️😅

@heythere6655

5 жыл бұрын

Kiran Kk actually, almost your entire statement is incorrect. First, carbon dating actually destroys a piece of the material to help determine the date. Secondly, scholars compare styles of material, styles of script and other types of evidence from the manuscripts themselves. Lastly, paper was not introduced into the M.E. until mid-8th century. Try again.

@heythere6655

5 жыл бұрын

Kiran Kk oh yes. I can tell which are your words. That is all I’m addressing. So, please read and respond. Tks.

Why wouldn’t the Koran be exactly the same? When an author writes a book who changes it? A book remain the same once it’s written like the Shakespeare books.

@arbentahiri8093

4 жыл бұрын

Sayeda Ahmed unless the author is not a human being!

Is the life and existence of muhammed based on any historical research or are we just believing in him existing becuz scholars said so ? Plllllzzzz answer me

Allahu Akbar Allah says I revealed the Qur'an and I will protect it from corruption

Ohh Allah why can't you even stop birds from taking a crap on your Kaaba

@saanx630

8 жыл бұрын

+joe freeman they don't even in al haram

@saanx630

8 жыл бұрын

joe freeman how old are you again ?! wow i didn't Realize i have been wasting my time that much ..

@muhammadiq

8 жыл бұрын

+Ewa Feen astaghfirullah my bad im sorry ewa. Didnt mean to

@saadz1299

8 жыл бұрын

It is a Miracle of islam that no bird ever excretes in the Masjid

@sabinarahman1339

8 жыл бұрын

nevermind old Joe, we can't teach old dog like u new tricks lol

So early copies of the qur'an were burnt by uthman? Surely gods words were protected & could not be burnt or destroyed by man.

@chevisayusman5824

5 жыл бұрын

The real God's word must be by memorizing not by writing...writing only to help...and the memorizing must be from the begining till now, the whole not part of it...even if you burn all the scripture...the song still there and easy to rewrite...that simple...only Qur'an fullfil this...

Let1s put Quran 3:81 in this issue. If the Quran as is today was written by Muhammad, then there must be a problem.

many christian r offended n losing faith n jealous

Can feel the burn , christians and all haters , calm down

@onsmelanzana5427

5 жыл бұрын

Islam is incomplete without chirstainity & Judaism....

@mrnobody3358

5 жыл бұрын

@@onsmelanzana5427 lol you must be living your life in a shithole if you are saying that

@truthcannotbemade6602

4 жыл бұрын

@Yahya 318 true

so this text is written in a short hand?

How did the Quran got to Birmingham ( if that is in UK or USA) ? Who has transported this to Birmingham from middle east ? Who authorised the transportation of this book/fragment of the book ( if it is real...) and why ? God bless.

Good explaination Dr.Shabir may allah reword you and your team for the good deeds your doing for islam thank you!!!

@perlitocabauatan9285

6 жыл бұрын

Is this Dr a good sunni or shia?

@mosemanavan

6 жыл бұрын

with 72 virgins is it...

@doramejia1971

6 жыл бұрын

Alkhassimou Doll, it doesn’t matter whether the Quran appears to be the same, the fact is that Muhammad is not a prophet. He deceived all Muslims. He was born in 570 AD, this carbon copy proves that it was written 2 years before Muhammad was born.

@jamilamohamed444

5 жыл бұрын

Yes Carbon dating cannot give exact date but approximate dates which is also deemed as only 95 % so this research puts the date 568-645 AD which is correct and under the exact time of parchments written since Quran was recorded & written during The Prophet in bits and pieces but was made into one complete book in 633 AD by Abu bakr , the first caliph and was retained later . . This findings actually refutes earlier claims by the Apologetics that the Quran was only written after decades or 100 years after the demise of Prophet and also there were some companions like Ibn Masud who did not burn some parchments as was known later So there is no Doubt these 4 pages could be written between 610 -645 AD though it well known revelations started in 610 AD and were Memorized and written down as well from then . Some claim that this contains suras 18-20 and so story of Jesus is there which we can't be confirmed unless until it was confirmed my knowledgeable Muslim Paleographers . And if that was true its a no problem again since Jesus 's history in Quran is not exactly as the history claimed by the trinity believing Christians proving these findings were only from Prophet Muhammad . (pbuh) and some doubts cast before due to early dating is as its told its not exact date and the paper could have been older good quality paper used but still written after 610 AD.

Pages may be old but not the writings. It was written on old papers in the first place.

@IMHAMAD

5 жыл бұрын

They carbon dated the ink.

Did you watch the whole video? Come on people , listen 👂 and comment .

Only 4 pages ? Then we can't say if it differed from today or not ? And how come In Birmingham?

@EceAvc..

Ай бұрын

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it is the same . and disbelievers still don't accept the truth .

@sherifali3676

4 жыл бұрын

Hammouda Raya true!

@LinuxLuddite

4 жыл бұрын

Disbeliever in 72 juicy virgins kzread.info/dash/bejne/nI2qmNmQidW7pto.html

May Allah bless you and your loved ones

@QuranSpeaks

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Ameen to your beautiful dua!

What language is it written in?

@jonasnera2340

4 жыл бұрын

Arabic

If I understand correctly (and I am not a Arabic speaker) the 'Alif' does not require any diacritical marks , it stands alone, what is preserved on the tablets in heaven, alif or no alif ? Is it the 'message' that has been perfectly preserved or the written text ?

@scorpion20dz

4 жыл бұрын

Arabic is a magestic language. i've red the manuscript like i was reading my book at home down on the left page it's chapter 20 from Quran ( Surat Ta-Ha ) and it's 100% word by word like the Quran we have. i cried so much at first i don't gonna lie because it's something huge for us as Muslims. the points and the alif are just for the prononciation and not the meaning ( not always ). just for the beauty of the recitation. meaning will remain the same for exemple مَالِكِ يوم الدين مَلِكِ يوم الدين it's looks different but the meaning is the same ( the king of the last day ) but just different readings

@spotthecat2412

4 жыл бұрын

@@scorpion20dz My understanding is that diacritical marks and vowelization were not introduced until the time of Uthman when it became clear that there were conflicts between people over various recitations of the Quran and it needed to be standardised (apparently in the dialect of the Quraysh). The whole argument about various ahruf and qirat seem to be just an excuse for the multiple *Arabic* qurans that exist. As for your example 'king' and 'owner' are different, which is preserved on the slate in paradise, which did Muhammad annunciate? if Muslims were to say that the "meaning of the Quran" has been preserved I don't think anybody would have a problem but they go well beyond that and claim it has been preserved word for word, letter for letter and some even go as far as saying dot for dot and it should be apparent to all that is not the case.

@scorpion20dz

4 жыл бұрын

@@spotthecat2412 no it's the same in meaning because it's in the 7th readings. i hope you didn't transalte on google and i hope your not a google type guy because it won't work so i want to save my self time can you read and speak arabic ??

@spotthecat2412

4 жыл бұрын

@@scorpion20dz I made it clear in my very first comment that I am not an Arabic speaker so please do not play that game. Yes I did use 'google translate' to identify the words in the example you used and it is an argument I have heard debated many times with Arabic speakers acknowledging that there are two different words (king/owner) but in the context they mean the same thing, a quick 'Google search' finds many such discussions, I am not an Arabic speaker so I have not reason to take your word over theirs, the fact that they look different suggests to me they are different. My question remains, which appears written on the slate preserved in Paradise, which did Muhammad utter ? What exactly has been preserved ? Why are there still variant readings, Uthman had it standardised in the dialect of the Quraysh, that should have put an end to the problem but apparently not.

@scorpion20dz

4 жыл бұрын

@@spotthecat2412 lol sure google translate and doesn't speak or read arabic. it's like your coming to a war naked without armor and holding a chopsticks my Guy. you have a looooong way to across to just understand what it is the difference in the 7th readings. this is why there's this type of jay smith arguments. google translate won't help you even me i can't help you now.

Lol for these kind of people Allah has rightly said in Surah Bakrah " Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment" i can see my brother has tried hard to make them listen to logic but they have been deprived of the Taufeeq to understand plain logic and truth.

@MIcbal-jk5hr

6 жыл бұрын

Nouman Akbar

@MegaBaddog

6 жыл бұрын

thats the reason islamic worlds are intellectually bAnkrupt shithole where you muslims escape to chritian nation

@saltycage457

6 жыл бұрын

madmarvin99 Zionists created the modern banking system which is going to cause corruption especially in the US. Soon electronic money.

@mustafaaustinpowers5748

6 жыл бұрын

Bingo Ringo A smart man right here

@liaqatkhan4603

6 жыл бұрын

Allah said that in the Koran

Genuine Muslims would prefer this oldest version of Quo'run to the later version of Quor'un, because later versions tend to be fake, with amendments, revisions, and alterations, here and there.

@ohmy8487

7 жыл бұрын

Aerse Veertaube first learn how to spell correctly

@suzanasuzana2577

7 жыл бұрын

Aerse Veertaube genuine should prefer older books

@nmwijayanto

6 жыл бұрын

Quran/Arab language is verbal/oral language. The mark is to ensure Arab or non Arab such is in my country that doesn't speak Arab will learn speak them properly. The most important thing the words and meaning are accurate which validated by those who memorize the Quran.

@jamilamohamed444

5 жыл бұрын

Quran is not like you imagine like keeping it safe with hands of Rabbis and Priests Instead Quran was Memorized & read by all companions of Prophet in 5 times daily prayers and taught to others (highest virtues as per hadith) and to kids. So all are same versions except vowels were added to help non Arab reciters and Qaari or experts were sent with them to the Non Arab countries to teach them Yes Carbon dating cannot give exact date but approximate dates which is also deemed as only 95 % so this research puts the date 568-645 AD which is correct and under the exact time of parchments written since Quran was recorded & written during The Prophet in bits and pieces but was made into one complete book in 633 AD by Abu bakr , the first caliph and was retained later . . This findings actually refutes earlier claims by the Apologetics that the Quran was only written after decades or 100 years after the demise of Prophet and also there were some companions like Ibn Masud who did not burn some parchments as was known later So there is no Doubt these 4 pages could be written between 610 -645 AD and were memorized immediately by companions to be used in 5 times daily prayers and teaching others and kids. . Some claim that this contains suras 18-20 and so story of Jesus is there which we can't be confirmed unless until it was confirmed my knowledgeable Muslim Paleographers . And if that was true its affirms that again that Jesus 's history in Quran is not exactly as the history claimed by the trinity believing Christians proving these findings were only from Prophet Muhammad . (pbuh) and some doubts cast before due to early dating is as its told its not exact date and the paper could have been older good quality paper used but still written after 632 AD is also a possible scenario, But we would not have eye witness for which year it was written, lol. Might be the apologetics are asking for it.lol

Very good work doing sister👍👍👍love you ❤️

The Orginal Quran from time of Osman( رض) is in turkey museum

@zhoubuzz6273

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/oJt5ubSjlMuoZbg.html

Miracle,..

in Arabic??? AD ??? what Arabic was there then ?

@willlowrymedicated2816

8 жыл бұрын

+Uknown Truth There were many Arabic dialects, most are dead. The quran and its adjunct library were written using almost all of them over the course of century's.

pages or ink ? whic one is important..carbon test cover pages date, not the ink.

Alhamdulallah my dear sister and mother Always Allah bless your congratulations!!!

95% identical in NOT the same as identical...

@muneerabdul2336

6 жыл бұрын

Hanna5859 95 percent identical in terms of its age not about context

@mortvald

6 жыл бұрын

It was no secret that (horoof were added) and separated so that people who are not averse in classical arabic can know how to pronounce, the modern equivalent is simplified chinese letters. Basically the text and the message is 100% identical, if anything it make our argument strong since it "wasn't" modified.

@monish.mohan.

6 жыл бұрын

Hanna5859 kzread.info/dash/bejne/qZOq05uYh8zWmcY.html

@themaskedeconomist8404

6 жыл бұрын

Actually the logic is pretty simple. Yes it's not exactly the same, but the words are still in the right place . The logic here is that a native reader of the Arabic language is able to read the Qur'an without the accents which represent the elongated vowels. Just like when I read the Qur'an in Arabic, I don't pay attention to the vowels(accents) at the top and pronounce it as if I was reading just the letters. However, there are classes for reading the Qur'an in the accepted ways of pronunciation, these do not change the actual meaning of the words. This is why the old Qur'an is written in an older style of Arabic, and the new one is easier to read with legible writting and vowels at the top. When the caliphs were trying to teach to non-Arabs who were learning the language, the people such as the Persians and Afghans, and the Turks had problems pronouncing things in the accepted manners. That's why there are Qur'anic reading classes. The same logic applies to the French language. Because I am both a native French and Arabic speaker, I can read words in French without the accents on them and still be able to decipher how it's properly pronounced. However, to someone who isn't a native speaker of the language and is trying to learn, their speech isn't as refined and can be confused whether or not the accents are even there. This is something I see when I take French classes in university, where some students started learning French a few years ago, while I started at the age of 5, hence why my pronunciation is a lot more refined than that of other students.

@farookfarook2850

6 жыл бұрын

Hanna5859 yeah but the bible is like 5% correct lol

Tsk tsk Shabir. You know better. Spin on, Shabir. You've already lost any scholarly credibility anyway.

I seen, Discovery of The oldest Quran fragments Dr. shabir Ally.

Is this a ghassanid or lakhmid document? since it predates mo!

Why does everything in Quran sound like its from the Torah? Or is it just me? Alef, isn't that a Hebrew letter?

@sabinarahman1339

8 жыл бұрын

Arabic is a semitic language like hebrew that is why they sound similar.

@gaveabr3752

8 жыл бұрын

It just feels like something is off.

@yousafzaikhan8745

8 жыл бұрын

+Blame Noone omg go back to school! seriously you need to learn a few things about languages in the world 🙄

@amandarosetrivium404

8 жыл бұрын

you're right - something is off.

@gaveabr3752

8 жыл бұрын

I mean an angel comes and gives Muhamed the Quran, first of all why weren't there any witnesses? How can an event like that be so discrete? Feels like Muhamed and Gabriel worked for the CIA? Lol, what a scheme.

oh shabir.. nice try Dr.. basically the quran is not exact. .end of..

@rodneycoleman3268

7 жыл бұрын

Calling me a fool demonstrates your ignorance within the English language yourself. And to answer your question, No, I don't speak Arabic, however, as much respect I have for Shabir, he failed but, I will add, this KZread was created for simplistic minds that will believe anything just to justify abrogation!... and I am sure that you know the meaning of it in the context of what I am speaking, I hope!...

@suzanasuzana2577

7 жыл бұрын

ramazan tanbi did you ? you look dumb acting like this. perhaps you do not know arabic.

@themaskedeconomist8404

6 жыл бұрын

Actually Rodney the logic is pretty simple. Yes it's not exactly the same, but the words are still in the right place . The logic here is that a native reader of the Arabic language is able to read the Qur'an without the accents which represent the elongated vowels. Just like when I read the Qur'an in Arabic, I don't pay attention to the vowels(accents) at the top and pronounce it as if I was reading just the letters. However, there are classes for reading the Qur'an in the accepted ways of pronunciation, these do not change the actual meaning of the words. This is why the old Qur'an is written in an older style of Arabic, and the new one is easier to read with legible writting and vowels at the top. When the caliphs were trying to teach to non-Arabs who were learning the language, the people such as the Persians and Afghans, and the Turks had problems pronouncing things in the accepted manners. That's why there are Qur'anic reading classes. The same logic applies to the French language. Because I am both a native French and Arabic speaker, I can read words in French without the accents on them and still be able to decipher how it's properly pronounced. However, to someone who isn't a native speaker of the language and is trying to learn, their speech isn't as refined and can be confused whether or not the accents are even there. This is something I see when I take French classes in university, where some students started learning French a few years ago, while I started at the age of 5, hence why my pronunciation is a lot more refined than that of other students.

@sohel_naikawadi

4 жыл бұрын

@@themaskedeconomist8404 thank you for writing this down, people after listening the whole video still have the same thing to say, "Quran was changed" I doubt they even listened to what he said. They just want to find points to criticize Quran ,the video made it clear what you said here. I mean people are so biased and illogical than I ever thought. Please repost this explaination in comments.

@themaskedeconomist8404

4 жыл бұрын

CONNOR DC no problem. Also even if the manuscript is old it’s not the oldest . The oldest are from 625 and they’re in a library in Algeria. that’s at the time of the prophet pbuh. On top of that, there was a time when these Kufic and other dialects of Arabic were allowed for writing the Quran. Eventually people started mispronouncing the Quran to the point where the rulers and scholars decided that no longer are those allowed and only the ancient Hejazi maawi (or however you spell it) dialect of Arabia which is the original dialect of the Quran will be allowed for mass production and distribution. That’s why ones like this were destroyed, because people basically said “forget this let’s just stick with exactly the original and then stick vowels in coloured markings on top to help with tajweed/pronunciation. Hope this comment helps too

whats the reason for taking the last date, what if its from before mohammad's prophethood ????? And what does almost same mean ???

Is it possible that Prophet Muhammad S.A.W recited from this Quran or touched It?

Was: exactly the same. Now: almost exactly the same.

@tbr9990

4 жыл бұрын

your comment means you didn't listen to what he said, the quran is the same just the way to write it was not at the time, different calligraphy if you want. The quran was memorised by heart by thousands of people since then too but you're just looking to disprove what doesn't suit you ... may allah guide you

@hawilost

4 жыл бұрын

It’s 100% identical word by word, this is Gods sign, a miracle for this generation

@revolution8138

4 жыл бұрын

People ignoring 1300 messengers preaching monotheism, and believing in trinity ✝️ you my friends got to ask your self this questions rather than playing smart. Comprende

The Oldest Available Manuscript of the Qur’an is Different from the Uthmanic Version In 1972, some workmen were clearing out an attic in the Grand Mosque of Sana’a in Yemen. In the process, they discovered some manuscripts of the Qur’an. The Yemeni Antiquities Minister quickly realized that the manuscripts were very ancient and called for outside help in order to assess and restore them. One of the scholars who was involved in this project was the German Islamicist Dr. Gerd Puin. He established that the Sana’a Qur’an dates from the 680s CE. In other words it dates from after Uthman compiled the ‘Perfect Qur’an’. It was, furthermore, written in the style (in terms of the way letters are shaped) of the Arabian Peninsula, making it an even more important find than other ancient Qur’ans (e.g. the one in the Topkapi Palace in Istanbul and the so-called Tashkent Qur’an) that were copied in locations outside of Arabia. The interesting thing about the Sana’a Qur’an is that it differs significantly from the text selected by Uthman. This fact definitively disproves the idea that the the time of the third Caliph. Here we have a Qur’an in one of the most important mosques of the Arabian Peninsula dated after the supposed standardization of the text of the Qur’an, yet it is markedly different from the standard text. Puin’s work was, needless to say, very controversial in the Arab world, and he has been denied all further access to the manuscripts after publishing his initial findings. The manuscripts are now under lock and key. Nothing can, however, undo the knowledge that the oldest text of the Qur’an that we have does not correspond in all aspects to the Qur’an that millions of Muslims read and recite every single day. Townsend, Peter. Questioning Islam: Tough Questions & Honest Answers About the Muslim Religion (pp. 79-80).

@alexshelby4195

6 жыл бұрын

Lions don't lose sleep over the options of sheep!

@omaralyafai2368

6 жыл бұрын

Dimitris Agnostos no it's not the man was talking about dating and it's script not about what it says. It was written like the other older Quran. Not to mention the sanaa manuscripts are not a folio in other words some were written later and some earlier so they are not a book nor are they from the same group

@holymoly3404

6 жыл бұрын

When uthman were making a standard version of quran, there were many hafizs who listened to prophet (sm) directly. it's not like uthman made official copy alone or just with written form of quran. Some says uthman edited quran, yes he edited but didn't change. He put vowels, bcs Arabs can read without vowels but outsider can't.

@racingwithj7808

6 жыл бұрын

Otherwise known as the pedos handbook

@MegaBaddog

6 жыл бұрын

which ones he edited and why

One of the oldest copies of Quran which is carbon dated to between 649-675, can be found on the University of Tübingen's website: idb.ub.uni-tuebingen.de/opendigi/MaVI165#tab=struct&p=2 This copy of Quran dates to the time of companions of the Prophet (SAW), which means that a companion of the prophet would most likely have written it. Not only that, but the text of this copy is exacly the same as the present Quran.

@TheDesiBloke

3 жыл бұрын

Its different, no diacritical marks.

I'm under the impression that the uthman scribes created classical Arabic with nuqta around 900ad. So this manuscript did not institute a classical system of ashuric but the original construction of words, the ashuric tung only started with 19 letters not 26. I think that would explain why the letters are differentiated in the earliest manuscripts. The fact is the letters did not exists at that time they only came when uthman's writers instituted the classical nuqta system a couple or hundred years after the death of the prophet, peace be upon him.

bible is more updated than iphone

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this amazing discovery of our 21st century time. Truly a miracle of Quran that Allah promised that it will be protected till the final day, today's discovery proves that the holy text has remained intact since the 7th century when the Quran was revealed to our beloved prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as guidance for humanity.

@purwantodanusugondo538

8 жыл бұрын

+Mohamed Shallo Muslims must remember that the 3rd caliph Usman ordered that every scrap of record of the revealed verses of the Qur'an be burnt. That's why the Qur'an every Muslim owns today is called Usmani Qur'an. With the original records of the verses of the Qur'an burnt, one can not honestly say that the present Usmani Qur'an is exactly the same as those revealed to Muhammad via the good offices of Jibril, can we? PS Aisha the prepubescent wife of Muhammad stated that a number of the records in her keeping were eaten by a goat! Well, the mother of the mu'minun said that some of the original verses were not included in the Usmani Qur'an.

@debug47

8 жыл бұрын

+Paul Rantau, have you read the history of compilation in full context ? Major point to keep in mind is that the Quran (meaning recitation) has been memorised (with human brains) generations after generations (ever since its revelation), and that is how the original content has been protected even after written storage. So despite the claimed draft copies being written and destroyed, the memorised version confirms that the final written content is correct. This is how it has been protected and can be read (readily) from memory by millions of people (from the prophet's time and today), and each recitation is exactly the same content. Hence this is the impressive nature of its protection, as a final testimony following previous scriptures, the Quran stands as the greatest divine record (book) in history ever to be memorised in great detail by millions of humans in more than 1400 years as preservation (remember that the Quran accepts all previous scriptures in principle of inspirations). Which means it's there to serve the generations to eternity and help humanity as an ethical guide through all centuries. Logically and Rationally, this makes sense to have an original copy of the last divine testament protected and available to everyone at all times. In life (as general advise), as human species, we need to appreciate the positive aspects of divinity and humanity in terms of ethical guidance, else we would spend our eternal lifetime looking at negative points which lead to no where, rather than taking the path of negative deduction, I would suggest to approach with positive appreciation of evident miracles. Humbly suggest reading the Quran for self knowledge (in full context and open mind), there are great advices for everyone (for all generations, for all backgrounds, all nations). Following the advise from Quran - we are all human in equal, same origin, same destination of purpose, we all have our differences, and we all need to appreciate and respect our diversity, and when miracles like this come with clear evidence, it's our dignity and intellect that should guide us to appreciate such discoveries that show proof of God's ethical guidance for humanity. What we have seen in the subject today is an important discovery of physical evidence among an already existing ocean of many evidences.

@purwantodanusugondo538

8 жыл бұрын

Mohamed Shallo Let's use our God given mind. When the third Caliph Usman ordered that every scrap of the manuscript be burnt to cinders, he would not allow anyone (without exceptions - including the hafiz - the memorizers of the Qur'an verses) to resurrect the original mushaf / codices, would he? The only reason Usman commanded that the original records be burnt was to make sure that he would get his own way in presenting HIS version of the Qur'an. Also remember Aisha the prepubescent wife of Muhammad in her sahih hadeeth states that many an original verse was not included in the Usmani version of the Qur'an. In fact a number of the original record of the revelations in her safe keeping were eaten by a goat! Look up 'The Qur'an grave at the great mosque of San'a unearthed by German archeologists in 1972' These ancient Qur'ans show differences from one another as well as from the present Usmani version. What with the discovery of the ancient Qur'an in the library of Birmingham University (dating some time in 6th century A.D.) may prove that there was some form of the Qur'an long before Muhammad received his first revelation in 710 A.D. Muslims are in a great dilemma over the authenticity of their 'holy scriptures'.

@tyshatsono2535

8 жыл бұрын

+Mohamed Shallo Please as you are a muslim could you explain to me something. According to Muslims tradition the Qu'ran was put together or written after the death of the prophet Muhammad. Do you know where this story come from? Then if the few page of the oldest Quran is true that would mean that the prophet had already a book during his life time or it was written shortly after his death. If so could we say that the story according which Uthman ibn affan burnt Quran is true what about the Hafsah story who was one of the wives of the prophet Muhammad who refused to give away an original Quran who was burnt after her death (667 AD). Why did early muslims burn some Qurans even the one that one of the prophet wives had? What did happen? Many thanks

@purwantodanusugondo538

8 жыл бұрын

tysha tsono Just to add another puzzling question - according to Aisha, the child bride of Muhammad, some of the copies of Allah's revelations in her keeping were eaten by a goat. Wouldn't that make the Uthmani Qur'an less than complete?

Plz am suffering in doubts & its very much painfull cuz am accualy a practical muslim.i love mY ALLAH But its happening and am very much in pain.i have alooooot of questions can anyone able to ans me

You believe in what you believe in and I am going to believe in what I believe in Ameen

Always trying to be on both sides of the fence I see. Just like Muhammad being taken to heaven on the temple mount while at the same time being buried in Medina, Saudi Arabia.

@ishakyahya8342

6 жыл бұрын

Man Falls you don't see how it can happen because you see God as an entity that nothing more that a man, such as believed by the Christians. As such when you look down the power of God to so much a diminutive level, certainly you cannot see how the Almighty God travellised his servant Muhammad to a speed thousand times more than the fastest jet plane of today from Makkah to Jerusalem and then ascended him at the speed of light to heaven. It's all because you think Muhammad travelled using his own energy and not by God the Amighty. That is because the God that you believe do not even has a hand on the creation of universe and you people adamant that universe created itself and not created by a God or Allah as Muslims use to call Him. Beside, there is a latent jealousy in the jews and christians minds that the Almighty God do not choose any of their messenger to obtain such privilege, but to choose the greatest prophet of all, Muhammad peace be upon him.You people are astray but you think being guide in straight path.

@monicaanicai7589

5 жыл бұрын

Usama Khan the body is going back to the dust is coming from!The spirit is not connected with the body just here on earth.God said to bury the body's of deaths to go to the place where belonging and the soul to the judge to be judged.

The claimed by Muslim that the Quran never change is now evaporate like a mists. And also they claimed that the Quran has only one version is now falling apart after the discovery of Yemeni text.

@noproblem451

7 жыл бұрын

Telang Usan The text he is talking about is the Saana script. Which is the oldest.

@khalidibnwalid1340

7 жыл бұрын

How is it falling apart? Have you found the difference? What are the difference?

@khalidibnwalid1340

7 жыл бұрын

***** The Quran has been preserved in the head. We have million of hafez who memorize the Quran and there is no contradiction. You are a loser.

@khalidibnwalid1340

7 жыл бұрын

***** You do not have the original Bible any more. It is acknowledged by the Christian scholars. The Christians have been adding and deleting the Bible for centuries. Many books were part of the canonical gospel and later they were burnt. According to the Islamic prophesy the true bible will be found in the end of time by the Muslim leader. The true Bible exist today which is hidden by those who tampered with religion.

@dedo2992

7 жыл бұрын

Actually there's 10 different versions of the arabic quran . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qira%27at www.answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm

When people kill for a religion....... the early Christians got killed for their faith..... True Christians love to this last lives... No greater love than to give life for saving someone who treated them as enemies

Alhamdulillah

just leave the non muslim onto their believes and thoughts.. though they dont ever learn how complicated Islam teaching was yet still easy for us the muslim to follow it.. they will never ever understand.. no points of arguments.. like imam syafie said, leave them alone.. minds only to whom open their hearts to accept the submission to only 1 God.. correct me if im wrong.

@AwsomSid

7 жыл бұрын

yes please leave us be.

@rodneycoleman3268

7 жыл бұрын

shabir is making an excellent excuse but in reality. .it's not exact amd the reason why the quran is difficult to translate or understand is because it is a load of cods and about a man that violated human rights on a global scale...

@leonardodaadelaide5563

7 жыл бұрын

You don't have to be a Muslim to submit to The One God. Think about that. When you realise the Truth of that, the whole Islamic Supremacy Dynamic disintegrates & therefore the obsession with convert or kill is seen as infantile.

@pokcang8126

7 жыл бұрын

+C Howard ... about your last words.. i just remember a question from a cristian.. jesus was born miraculously from his mother (human) without a father (human).. why adam not titled as great as jesus? adam was created wihout mother and father.. while eve also created miraculously.. she is created from adams bone.. size of Adam is up to 100 feet.. jesus might be as 6 feet tall.. in pyramid symbols, the pharaoh were scale 2 times bigger than other so that he claimed himself as god.. (maybe.. who knows). my point is, i dont know, dont understand the cristians, why they take jesus as god?.. muhammad is not god! he is among the messengers of god. thanks..

@rodneycoleman3268

7 жыл бұрын

Hasanul Hadi There are many books that the Romans decided to delete from the norm and therefore some confusion also withiin Roman Catholism, however, have a read of Wisdom of Solomon 7:1-10. It suggests who the spirit is and explains that certain miracles can happen...

How can you pass the quran orally for 1400 years? Even if the quran have only few sentences you can not pass it on perfectly even in few days. The quran that we are using right now was canonized in 1924, it is not even a hundred years old and we cant find any manucript that prove that it is 1400 years old.

@jamilamohamed444

5 жыл бұрын

Your reply shows you know nothing about islam Dude. Quran is read in 5 times daily prayers and are taught to kids and other from early days of Prophet and they have to read without being held in hands (unlike Jews) thats compels the Muslim to Memorize it . And Allah claims he made Quran easy for remembrance which is 100% true since there are millions of memorizers of complete Quran (1200 sides book or 600 pages without a mistake of a word or alphabet being nmissed) Revelation started from 610 -645 AD though its well known revelations were Memorized and written down as well from then and co incides with this findings

People in this comment section is misleading...The only meaning of the video is that the video is telling that the Qur'an then and now are different but they are indeed the same, the same in contents the in teaching and all the only difference is that the Early Qur'ans do not have some vowels and some lacking because at those times Arabic language is still in progress but the Qur'ans now are way more understandable and already have markings and vowels so the reader can read it rightly and understand it correctly and also pronounce it correctly.

It's funny how people who have 500 different versions of there own scripture which contain forgeries no original language texts and unknown authors are mocking.

@bilaljahi5364

4 жыл бұрын

Mohamad A it’s worse than funny. It’s shameful and ignorant 🤔

that's not arabic, i don't know what it is but it doesn't look arabic, كأنها طلاسم سحر

@ReulMcGillolane

7 жыл бұрын

It's just an ancient script.

@davidsalman8362

7 жыл бұрын

Floris Noor - there's no hijazi arabic or persian arabic or madeena arabic, Arabic is arabic just like the quran's original arabic, hey wait.... i can come up with a NEW Arabic scripts, Alien Arabic! Pshhhh... ناس جهلة ياخي

@ReulMcGillolane

7 жыл бұрын

+David Salman just GOOGLE Arabic Scripts. Script meaning, of course, the way the letters look.

@davidsalman8362

7 жыл бұрын

+Reul McG google it and inform me matey, do me a favour i'm too lazy to google :|

@oziz8986

7 жыл бұрын

You're just lazy too lazy to learn then, bruh. The ancient scripture was written in Hijazi Arabic font, which is only a style of font to the Arabic language, jus like "Times New Roman" is a font for the English language i.e. The Qur'an you read to day is written in the Othmani font, which again is just a tele of font to the Arabic language, but the Othmani font is chosen because it is the most easier to read. You can change today's Othmani Qur'an font to the Hijazi, and it would say the same thing as the scriptures. -it's good to know your religion, and also know the Calligraphy of the Arabic language.

she's wrong it's dated before Mohmoud and proof he didn't write it she forgets to mention that lastly the writer was so intelligent of the Quran he claimed the earth was flat and sun set in mud can u imagine

@khalidibnwalid1340

7 жыл бұрын

You are mixing your claim with the Bible. Quran says the earth is round. The Early Muslims made globe during their research of the solar system.

@khalidibnwalid1340

7 жыл бұрын

***** Read the Quran and find it by yourself.

@khalidibnwalid1340

7 жыл бұрын

***** In the Bible it is written that the earth is flat.

@khalidibnwalid1340

7 жыл бұрын

***** When you use the word world wide i.e. Sunset an Sunrise then its prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) who introduced this term. People all over the world use this term i.e. Sunset and sunrise.

@khalidibnwalid1340

7 жыл бұрын

***** Flat earth Bible.....LoL "He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)" LoL....

Realy Birmingham??

Question: Would it be considered acceptable if a Quran was consciously destroyed today. If the answer is yes, what would be the reason informing the position. (This is not intended as a “gotcha” question ... the concept of an idol informs the question)

Looks like these two are on damage control.

@jamilamohamed444

5 жыл бұрын

No you have misunderstood Mate. jamila mohamed 2 seconds ago Yes Carbon dating cannot give exact date but approximate dates which is also deemed as only 95 % so this research puts the date 568-645 AD which is correct and under the exact time of parchments written since Quran was recorded & written during The Prophet in bits and pieces but was made into one complete book in 633 AD by Abu bakr , the first caliph and was retained later . . This findings actually refutes earlier claims by the Apologetics that the Quran was only written after decades or 100 years after the demise of Prophet and also there were some companions like Ibn Masud who did not burn some parchments as was known later So there is no Doubt these 4 pages could be written between 610 -645 AD though its well known revelations were Memorized and written down as well from then . . Some claim that this contains suras 18-20 and so story of Jesus is there which we can't be confirmed unless until it was confirmed my knowledgeable Muslim Paleographers . And if that was true its affirms that again that Jesus 's history in Quran is not exactly as the history claimed by the trinity believing Christians proving these findings were only from Prophet Muhammad . (pbuh) and some doubts cast before due to early dating is as its told its not exact date and the paper could have been older good quality paper used but still written after 610 AD.

@matteotamberini2152

5 жыл бұрын

Awesome lol

@heythere6655

5 жыл бұрын

They are. Exact carbon dates are very telling: 568-645 A.D. 2 years before Mo was born 7 years before it was revealed to Mo

@abdulmalik_al-habeshi

5 жыл бұрын

Hey There first of all say his name properly and second of all 645 was not 7 years before the Quran was revealed. The Quran was revealed in 610 not 652( 645+7)

@chevisayusman5824

5 жыл бұрын

The only important thing to preserve is memorizing from the begining till now...that's all...any script is nothing...script comes from memorizing...if no body memorize the whole song anymore...that's the begining of unpreserved... doesn't matter the whole script is burn, as long as ones memorize the song...easy to write as original...that all and simple

The oldest Qu'ran was written according to carbon dating 40 years before Muhammed started Islam. That makes Muhammed a false prophet. He used this document to write the Qu'ran so it was not received from Gabriel or Allah.

@omaralyafai2368

6 жыл бұрын

Paul no it means the paper it was written on predates Mohammed pbuh. Not the same thing. If you want to accurately date the manuscript you have to analyze the script which is from the time of Uthman

@omaralyafai2368

6 жыл бұрын

Paul look at how your bible was created then see how it was concocted the talk

@jamilamohamed444

5 жыл бұрын

Do not lie and over exaggerate or be Prejudiced , so that you cant find the truth. The dates are approximate '' within those dates ir 568 AD - 645 AD. Yes Carbon dating cannot give exact date but approximate dates which is also deemed as only 95 % so this research puts the date 568-645 AD which is correct and under the exact time of parchments written since Quran was recorded & written during The Prophet in bits and pieces but was made into one complete book in 633 AD by Abu bakr , the first caliph and was retained later . . This findings actually refutes earlier claims by the Apologetics that the Quran was only written after decades or 100 years after the demise of Prophet and also there were some companions like Ibn Masud who did not burn some parchments as was known later So there is no Doubt these 4 pages could be written between 610 -645 AD though its well known revelations were Memorized and written down as well from then . . Some claim that this contains suras 18-20 and so story of Jesus is there which we can't be confirmed unless until it was confirmed my knowledgeable Muslim Paleographers . And if that was true its affirms that again that Jesus 's history in Quran is not exactly as the history claimed by the trinity believing Christians proving these findings were only from Prophet Muhammad . (pbuh) and some doubts cast before due to early dating is as its told its not exact date and the paper could have been older good quality paper used but still written after 610 AD.

A number of Saudi-based experts in Quranic history who strongly rebut any speculation that the Birmingham/Paris Quran could have been written during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad. They emphasize that while the Prophet was alive, Quranic texts were written without any chapter decoration, marked verse endings or use of coloured inks; and did not follow any standard sequence of surahs. They maintain that those features were introduced into Quranic practice in the time of the Caliph Uthman, and so it would be entirely possible that the Birmingham leaves could have been written then, but not earlier.

Do we even have an accurate and precise date when prophet muhammad born and die?