Spud did a nice job fitting those panels

I appreciate your desire to restore that building to the original design.

@jeffclark2725

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Well said, this building is in better shape than expected, wonder if the people that put up all this paneling had any idea they were helping preserve the surfaces, to be uncovered at a later date like now,

@olivei2484

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@@jeffclark2725 I was thinking along those lines too. The paneling kept the kids and tenants from scuffing the stairway. Wonder if there are some more "hidden treasures" to find?

@johnwinden8511

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Wow, you’ve got lots of work ahead of you with those walls!👍

@jeffclark2725

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@@johnwinden8511 Some of that reminded me of the episodes of this old house

I am really liking this series. Instead of This Old House, it's This Old Hotel. Fun to watch you uncover the past!

After 50+ years in the remodeling industry, it was almost always interesting uncovering the past in the homes and buildings I had the opportunity to work in. Then to recreate the past bringing it back. I do enjoy watching you videos. Thank you for sharing all that you have been working on.

The runner in the hallway was probably to keep down the noise of shoes clunking. Boy, removing that paneling sure brightens it up. Amazing how much one can accomplish just by jumping in, instead of sitting around dreading it. Good job.

@lwilton

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That, and to prevent damage from shoe nails and the like to the wood flooring. It would have been a patterned carpet, so it also helped make the place look nicer.

@jimamccracken5783

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Was probably rubber with really fine grooves in it

You are making me miss the days when I restored houses. You have some beautiful history you are uncovering. I am sure you know, most tenant housing such as apartments and hotels would keep the rear more industrial and solid. The heavy foot traffic of delivery's by hard working men and women called for easy cleaning and could take a beating. If you look closely, I am sure you will discover many scars from many dolly's. Your hotel is a perfect example of beauty and aesthetics up front, and all business and work at the rear. I am looking forward to seeing more of your discoveries. Thank you.

Removing the old paneling reduces fire hazard. Glad your doing it right.

warms my heart every time a bit of that panelling makes its way to the dumpster. What were we thinking back then.

Can't believe an old 'back staircase' would be so interesting - it was like i was there ripping of the paneling myself, loved it. Stu (UK)

Backstairswell in Babushka layer technique. 😁After removing all non-original layers and de-painting the original wood, we sometimes just let the original wood'n millwork and planed decorum unpainted with wax or oil and just the slightest repairs where parts were broken/missing. Gives a nice contrast to white plaster or sheetrock and celebrates the often handmade original tongue and groove boards. It's very pleasing for me to see these originally simple but decorated wooden parts being appreciated by a master craftsman. Thanks for sharing!

I admire the work you are doing. The second house we owned was an old home that had been papered and repapered over the years. My wife and I spent Friday night through Sunday afternoon with two steamers taking off up to five layers of wallpaper. The house had all oak trim on the first floor which had been varnished many times over the years and was almost black. The walls were covered with paneling (over wall paper) like you are seeing in your building. In most places they had simply pulled the trim away from the wall and wedged in paneling. We got all of that done and then the person repairing cracked ceiling plaster asked if we would hire him to refinish the oak. We thought we couldn't afford to that, but he really wanted the work so we agreed on a price. Best thing we ever did. He striped the oak and refinished to a carmel brown, put up new wall paper and floor coverings. Two sets of oak colanades, sliding pocket doors, a built in China hutch, front door and kitchen doors and paneling under the stairs. We went from really old, ugly and dirty to very nice. Since then I have taken out a million carpet staples and lots of old carpet tack strips in houses and rental houses. Always worth the effort when it is finished.

I built my bride our house here in Australia 1975. That panel board was popular here from the early 70’s. We learned to hate it. So pleasing to see it pride off.

Quite a project. Be interesting to watch along with everyone else.

I have had excellent results painting over that nice paneling. It looked to be in very good condition. A small size Wonder Bar is great for that type of work.

il y a une montagne de travail dans ce bâtiment, et j'admire votre respect pour le travail des anciens. Pierre de Vierzon.

It's nice to see what's behind the paneling. There was so much nice work done that's been covered up by cheap panelling. I'm old enough to remember when paneling was all the rage

Restoring the "Heyday" of things exposes the "History" that is fast being lost. Thank You! Malcolm, Australia.

I'm in restoration too. Been working on a 1906 mansion in Wisconsin. I'm enjoying your investigations. Keep up the good work.

So glad to see that panelling coming off. It’s so ugly. We had a basement lined with that stuff, until we tore it off. Immediately the house looked better. New paint. Bingo. The whole place felt better. 👍🏼

It's amazing to see how much brighter the corridor is without the panelling. On the other hand, that panelling protected the original walls from damage over the years.

I had to tune in to the latest episode of Americana archaeology. it is a joy to watch someone putting in the work to restore buildings and coaches back to their glory days.

Wow, getting rid of that paneling really brightened it up. With some plaster work and new paint, it will be very nice.

I thoroughly enjoy videos about making/repairing things which is why I enjoy your channel so much. When my wife and I were younger (we're in our mid 70's now), we completely repaired/remodeled an old double-wide mobile home by ourselves. From floors to ceilings, plumbing, and all new electrical. We had roofers do the roof with metal roofing and a company install vinyl siding because it was beyond our abilities. We enjoyed the five years it took while we were living in it and today we have a home everyone is surprised to learn is not a traditional home.

Thank you for this update. Good progress with the upstairs hallway. Removing ‘Smooth Edge’ as we tend to call it, here in NZ, is an exercise in patience. This includes not getting blood blisters when the smooth edge gives way more quickly than expected and the hooked end of the ‘flat bar’ comes down quickly🙂! Hand and finger placement is critical. The newel posts on the back stairs look much better with that ridiculous 1960s panelling removed. They resembled pilasters, before the reveal. The original boards are classic for that period and definitely restore some character to the building. The top rail is a banister. NB I suspect that the hand rail on the back stairs was deliberately built low (with newel posts that do not finish above the banister) so that furniture, materials and other bulky items could be easily moved up and down i.e., so that wide items could be rested on the handrail rather than being shuffled around the middle landing. Some temporary protection would have been needed, on occasion, but nothing like the ‘boxing in’ that would be required for the balustrade on the front stair. The original blue wall colour in the stairwell looks like an excellent all season compromise.

@johnking8679

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Totally agree with your explanation on the back staircase, etc. michaelguerin56 !!

I used to be a tack strip running machine as a kid. I'd strip and pad houses ahead of the carpet layers.

While I would be overwhelmed by the distance to be travelled. You have the ability to enjoy the journey, one step after another. Cheers from Australia.

It looks like this rehab work is really going to be an interesting trip down memory lane.

Looking good Dave, the more you dig the more you're finding out about the building. It's an awesome project and again you'll do the researching to find everything you can to return it to the original build. We are enjoying the trip along with you. Fred.

Brother, when you said "no big deal" regarding the padding staples, I had to chuckle. I spent days removing the staples from my previous 1300 SF home to expose the hardwood. Those things constantly broke when removing leaving a small piece in the wood. You will find those in stocking feet easily. (Keep Band Aids handy.) Also, the ones you WILL miss will tear at your sanding discs. And you will miss some, trust me. From my experience with the padding staples, I truly dislike carpet.

This was fun to watch. Real repairs at real people’s budget.

A delight to see how the small hallway space just lit up when you removed those darker wood panels. Renovating the old pine flooring will add to the light I think. It's a little sad to see how so much of that beautiful old trim work got beaten up over the years. That wonderful old newel post with the pyramidal top cap at the front stair kind of looked like a tired old soldier. I'm glad the paneling installer didn't use adhesive, made your removal job easier and avoided damage to the hidden older work. Thanks for the video.

This takes me back. Not sure if that's good or bad. Somebody came along and sold them a semi-load of paneling. It's nice to see what is under it. I'm a bit surprised to see no wallpaper. What would have been on the floor would have been base shoe. Quarter round would have been on top of the baseboard. There is a difference. My grandfather was a carpet contractor back in the 1920's-40's. That runner may have had taped and hand-sewn edges and been tacked down. Did not see tack holes though. The tack hammers were magnetized and the tacks were sanitized so they would take a mouth full and just feed the tacks from their lips to the hammer. The carpet, especially the commercial stuff was very heavy duty. If you bent it double, the pile was so dense that you had a hard time seeing the jute backing. It wore like iron. Some that he laid in the forties in a theater was still in pretty good shape when the place was torn down in the seventies. They used a heavy Ozite pad underneath.

@JSAC66

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Sooo, when it is ready for renters again, do you have a plan in mind to make sure new tenants do not destroy the units?

Hi Dave, you are a “Forensic Carpenter”/ “Wood Anthropologist”, with a keen eye of observation. Enjoying All Your Videos, Keep them coming!

I grew up in a House built in 1908. We had Fir CVG flooring with area rugs, center of floor was un finished perimeter only. Same kind of molding little different style. The quarter round is called shoe molding :) Raised panel doors, skeleton key locks. Original furnace was wood then converted to Oil--It was massive.

@Vikingwerk

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I lived in a sears and roebuck kit house built in 1918, and it was much the same, hardwood floors, chair rail and wainscoting, picture rail in the dining room, skeleton key locks, raised panel doors, and a massive coal furnace in the hand dug dirt walled basement! Basement was only about 6 feet deep 😂. Beautiful house. Sadly, it burned down a few years after we moved away.

@imaoregonbum6683

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@@Vikingwerk There is something about these old building that stick with a person. That's why this hotel is getting restored!

That old tri-panel is just a fire hazard good to see all the hardwood details

Saws-All is a wonderful tool.

Man, I wish I lived near you. I'd volunteer to strip and finish the newel post and banister just to see it in all its original glory. The baseboard would have been oil stained finish no doubt so there would have been a lot of fir in the main hallway. I saw just the blink of an old doorway when you pulled off some of the wood panel. I'm glad that a history appreciater such as yourself is doing the work.

That brought back memories, of helping my uncles put up paneling in several apartments in the 1970’s. Paneling was the rage at that time and we had to cut furring strips to make the walls straight. I also took down some paneling in a house that I owned, it was built in the 1970’s. The previous owner had finished the basement and didn’t put any insulation in the walls. The area between the concrete foundation and the paneling was about 6 inches deep, no insulation, and open to the outside through the fireplace key. I sealed it up, insulated it and put up new drywall and reduced my heating bill while keeping that basement much warmer.

Base Shoe Moulding is taller than it is wide. I have made it before with a router so that I could get the correct height that is sometimes required to clear the gap between the base moulding and the floor. Also make a note of where the base shoe meets the plinth blocks. The base should be roughly 30 degrees from the front edge of the plinth block. I round over the mitered edge so there are no sharp edges.

@Rgj_j

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Base shoe is indeed not the same as quarter round. I tossed all I had when we recently moved but the commercially produced version I used was 3/4” x 7/8”. The corner was also cut off at a 45° angle to ensure a better fit.

I like the old architecture. Maybe that hotel could be a movie set when it's done.

basically unboxing a whole new house, very satisfying

Where the Sheetrock meets the lathe and plaster. It might be more wood underneath it. It looks like the transition lines up with the stairs. Oh and It’s amazing what you can do with a little prying tool.

4:56 I've heard tell that sometimes, the architect/builder would store a copy of the blueprints inside that big square newel post at the top or bottom of the stairs. Might be worth it to pop off the top and see what's inside, if anything.

@dianeengel4155

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Thank you

Those back stairs were (are) service stairs. They were used by staff to deliver food and items such as deliveries direct to the guests in their rooms rather than using the main stairs. Many big houses had them as well so the servants were never seen wandering the house.

@markhgillett

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Speaking of service stairs the grand plantation homes in the slave period had stairs hidden in the walls which were used for, Amongst other things, to deliver cooked food to the dinning room . Of course there was no lighting so they would have to navigate in total darkness

@lwilton

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@@markhgillett Many houses used a "dumbwaiter", a kind of small elevator, to deliver food from the kitchen to a room on another level.

@markhgillett

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@@DontCryAboutIt fire hazard. Big fear in wood structures

@markhgillett

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@@lwilton not at that time

@davidbaulch3223

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That is also why the back stair were so utilitarian in look - they were for utilitarian usage. If something banged into the side of the stairwell, it really didn't harm it (could take a beating, if necessary) like it would with the ornate stairs in the front. Break a spindle and that repair might not be so easy. The farthest down looked almost like beadboard that would be tongue and grooved. Like someone else, thought that quarter round might actually be shoe molding. Have an old plane made for that. Still works.

Plaster is finicky but doable! At least there’s not much glue. Could be like in my living room panel job over Sheetrock where they must of used a case of glue to glue the paneling! I’ll have to take Sheetrock down to get back to sheetrock! I’m not a fan of paneling! Thanks for bringing me along on your restoration project!

Door height of older home (100 years ago +\~) were 7’ tall and was pretty standard and later it became 6’8” as the standard. Nice to see the original wood work!

Ahhh,paneling that was the rage in the sixtys🤗😎🤗😎

The replaced section next to the wall was likely a raised piece to look like a post to finish off the banister. It is very common in older buildings. They likely removed it to make it easier to panel.

This brings back so many memories of remodeling jobs we did back in the 70s and 80s. One of the things that I am enjoying a out it is that I don't have to mess with the tack strips and the million or so small finish nails. Thank you for bringing us along even though it slows your progress considerably.

I like the front stair spindles and hand railing. I also like the rear stairs with the bead board. Each have a history to the building. Good luck with the renovation. Stay safe.

I just love the old wood that you exposed It’s gonna look Great

REALLY enjoy your videos Mr. Engel! Love seeing you expose yesteryears woodwork! You take good care and look forward to meeting you down the trail!

About 40 years ago, I worked on the old Reynolds hotel in Seattle. All the interior walls were about 2-1/2" solid plaster, made with 1x2 for studs, lath on only one side and the rest solid plaster. Floors, no floor joists, 2x6 spiked together on edge , whole rough floor covered with asbestos then furred out with 1x2, then finished with BVG fir flooring. Was Reynolds work release, ws dept of prisons

Dave, Thank you so much for doing this series. Love the 1906 building and everything you are doing to it. Please keep it up!

Peeling back history, cool stuff. It already looks brighter in there, real hardwood flooring, yo gotta like it. Keep smilin

Man, a little stripping and restoration work on all the woodwork and doors and that place is gonna rock.

Rip, tear, snort !..... No wonder you're such a laid-back kind of guy ! Taking out all your aggressions on that paneling like that !!

FYI, if you have to fill deep holes in old plaster, use water mix floor leveling compound. It dries fast and doesn’t shrink. I used it on my daughter’s house where ew remove a wall. Finish with regular dry wall mud.

Love the old wood

Beaded pine, we call out here in Austalia, although a lot of it may have been timbers (or milled boards) like Douglas Fir that came out here in the tall ships. The beading covered the effect of shrinkage a lot better than vee joints and so was used as facing boards. Also known as Regency moulding. Later replaced by the much plainer VJs - vee joints front and back.

I used to make a small start with a wood screw where the panel is fixed, back out the screw take a larger size screw file the end flat screw it in the hole and it usually pushes the panel off enough to get a chisel in to pry it off.

That makes my knees hurt just watching you take out all the tack strips and staples.

That hallway and stairway are both much brighter with the dark paneling removed.

I like how you save what you can and recyle also

The demolition and discovery is always interesting! Great job!!!! Thanks!

The "quarter round" is actually called "shoe moulding" It is typically 3/4'' tall and 1/2" deep. It's part of a 3 piece base system from the olden days.

@wilcogrundens9086

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The main tall piece went on before plaster. It would have a rabbet to guide the plaster trowel. Then covered with top piece. The shoe would be nailed into floor so it would move with the floor, not the wall.

@Reziac

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@@wilcogrundens9086 Ah, shoe being nailed on wrong is why I've seen it split a time or two. Thanks.

Gratifying to find original wood under that mess of carpet and paneling. Kinda looks like maybe there was a fight in the stairwell that busted the bottom plaster, hence the drywall. Would be nice to preserve that original hotel light fixture -- well, original to when power came into the building. I'm surprised there are no pushbutton light switches (at least that we've seen). It's coming along!

@michaelrudolph7003

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The push button shows up later.

You are a jack of all trades and the master of most of them. I’ve worked with a lot of craftsmen and you see to fit in with the best of them

I am glad you found that bead board paneling on the stairs. Charles

Thanks for taking us along Dave.

"Why did they cover that up?" I ask the same every time I see a house here in New Zealand with linoleum covering over native hardwood floors!

I've seen that same type of back stair in a lot of 1900's age houses. Sometimes the "bead board" is on both sides and sometimes not, like yours, it's nice to see it unpainted even with the adhesive. Best wishes on your remodel.

There is something so satisfying about undoing the changes of time. It gives you some control over the past.

Removing that paneling is a big improvement. The back stairway bead board paneling was also a cool discovery.

Getting rid of that paneling is the best thing. It really brightens the stairwell during daylight hours. I had a hunch that you'd find bead board under that paneling. Our 1900 structure here in NW Iowa had the same style hand rail at the top of our front stairs. The only difference was that they doubled the bead board so it was finished on both sides. And you are correct, that is fir flooring which is not the prettiest flooring but it is rock solid and wears very well. Most of it is quarter sawn so that it is all vertical grain so very little movement with temperature and moisture.

as a cabinetmaker of over 45 years, I would suggest you get another pry bar and cut off the angled claw part. You can then press the bar all the way down to remove nails, and use it to pry whatever higher without the "claw" part getting in the way. I have used the same pry bar for installing cabinets and I can't imagine using it with the claw. It would have made removing that tack strip so much easier.

Get a 6" drywall knife to put behind your pry bar to prevent damage to the trim when prying against it. Sweet bead board paneling behind that cheap stuff. The purple(?) runs on the plaster behind where the trim was are from the stain they used on the trim. Best regards from Indiana.

I'm looking forward to seeing how this all turns out.

Nice to see you making progress Dave and being smart with that foam for you knees. I just and am still in pain from getting down on my knees to fetch a wrench I dropped down behind my workbench. I knelt on hardwood floor reached in and over some boxes to get the wrench and now my knee is killing me for over two weeks now. so take heed! I"m 79 so that's part of it. but I think age is not a big factor doing something dumb like that. Ok thanks for taking us along on your "Pro-ject" in and out of the shop. ECF

"D" here. I am enjoying watching you do this renovation. I will love coming to see it in person at some future date when it is done.

Yes restore back to 1906 design and decoration. People will go for that.

So nice to see wood paneling ripped out. It’s like instant clean! Love the original wood found.

Removing the panels makes a huge difference in the lighting. Vast improvement.

This resto project is so great! I can't wait to see more!! Thanks for the hard work as always Dave!

I totally agree with sanding the floor and a carpet runner on center. Even with the LED lights the hallway is looking a little dark?

@tinydancer7426

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A nice light fixture by the door of each room/apartment would be a nice touch, just like a porch light is nice to help you see your keys to open your door.

Early carpets in the Victorian era were woven on a loom. Commonly, they were not very wide 30 to 36"?? and were sewn together on site to make carpets to cover large areas. I have seen numerous examples in turn of the century homes in Pasadena CA.

3:40 I have two 1 1/2 inch dense foam pads specifically made for kneeling on. I leap frog them down the line as I work. They are a lot nicer than knee pads as the knee pad straps bite into the back of my legs and cause blisters.

Those carpet strips are the cactus of the timber world. So strong. The bld is looking good

I look forward to your video's now twice a week. Thank you! I would like to share some small info about the molding in the hallway. In those days there was a trim piece called 'base shoe', which was used on the base board as a toe kick. It is similar to quarter round, Maybe 3/4" tall X 1/2" with with a chamfered top edge. I'm looking forward to seeing this project taking shape. Thanks again, Dan

*- You sure do have lots of energy to produce so much work, Dave.* *- I notices how very nice the pale blue color was and how nicely it complimented the dark brown wood stain color. The whole place feels bigger with the brightness of the white and pale blue. Nice.*

I love this project!

Very interesting to watch this project progress.👍🏻

Here in Ireland that ‘beautyboard’ cosmetic panelling has been completely outlawed for nearly forty years on fire safety grounds.

Really interesting series! Greetings from Finland.

A lot of work to do, but you are doing it the right way. They have covered up enough in the past. Time to address this properly. Good luck and thanks for sharing.

Kind of unusual to see that boarding with both sides exposed. Usually, you either install it with just the small chamfer showing or with just the beaded seam showing. You see it a lot as the underside of porch roofs (typically showing the beaded side). A favorite of mine. I used it for the wainscoting in the finished part of the basement of our house. We milled it from clear maple.

Can't wait to see the finished project. Make a great Airbnb type operation!

I love the original woodwork !!

I'm really enjoying this video series!

Depending on several factors, when it was a hotel that hallway would have had a carpet runner down the hall and patterned flocked wallpaper to dampen sounds. Also that backside of the upper stair with the beautiful wood paneling? Excellent spot for an old Buffalo Bill Cody Wild West Show poster of something similar.