I’ve had my SawStop Job site saw for 3 years now. I’m just a box making hobbyist for the most part. My shop is very small and the ability to easily wheel it around is fantastic. It’s the first “real” table saw after using those big box store little guys for many years. I’m 77 now. I agree that precision height adjustment is something I don’t look forward to when making dados and rabbits. The measuring blocks help immensely because to make the height adjustment I use both hands on the wheel kind of fighting each other so it doesn’t jump an eighth inch at a time. That doesn’t leave another hand free to use another type gauge. The fence is jumpy too but extremely accurate. It’s much more manageable not a big deal when you get used to it. I’ve tripped it once while stupidly clearing the blade of a cut-off (too soon and without a push stick) while it was still coasting down. SawStop replaced the cartridge free when I sent in the fired one to their customer service for testing. I took a picture of the tiny Nick on my thumb but had to circle the spot with a sharpie so that it could be seen in the photo. No blood even. Glad it was smarter than me or I probably would be having a hard time picking up change in my old age. Good review, it is a very good, safe saw for guys like me and like comparing a scalpel to a chainsaw to,what I was used to.

I have been a woodworker for over 50 years and one thing for sure is that i will never own a saw stop After the way the inventor tryed to make it mandatory on all saws after he couldn't sell them on the common market. I don't like being told I have to do something.

I had a JSS for almost two years after a bad kickback took the end of my right index finger. That was on a Grizzly 3hp table saw. I was really disappointed with the fence and overall stability of the JSS as I make a lot of cabinets and needed repeatability. After two years I sold it and purchased the 1.75hp PCS. This saw is great and with the fence and Woodpeckers rip/flip, I am really satisfied with my purchase. I have a small shop, so portability is a must for me. I have the 36" model, and it does well for me. Heaviest timber cut and ripped is 8/4 red oak and it did it with no problem. I use only Ridge Carbide blades on my table and sliding compound miter saw. Thanks for the review Izzy.

Thanks for the video, always enjoy watching!

I bought a DeWalt. In my case, maybe just this particular saw, the fence is the best. Accurate and straight. The lock doesn't allow any play. Don't care about the storage. I use mine as a shop table saw and made a table to sit it on to give me the right working height.

I have had my jobsite saw for around 3 years now. I love it. The mobility, the fact it can be folded up and down with ease, the almost out of the box setup and accuracy. Fortunately my fence is tight on. When I lock it there is no wiggle at the other end and it snaps into position parallel to the blade. The table is of course on the small side compared to cabinet saws, the blade and miter gage are average. I replaced both after a few months with an Incra miter gage and top quality combination blade with a flat tooth every 5th one. Dust collection is ok. Better than many others but not up to cabinet saw standards. I do a lot of rabbit and dado work but prefer to use a router for that. From my comparison to other job site saws I found it more accurate and versatile than others. Factory support is outstanding. I have made several calls to them, got quickly to a very knowledgeable person and had my questions accurately answered. Not having the room for a cabinet saw I have been extremely satisfied with my jobsite saw. Also, have never had a misfire on the safety mechanism. Did set it off once when the blade kissed the edge of a kreg aluminum miter gauge extension. That was my fault not the saw but it did show the safety feature works. My saw is plugged into a regular 15 amp outlet with no problems ever. Would I buy it again, absolutely! Does all the cabinet work just fine that I ask it to do. By the way. That little extension for the miter gage looks very handy to overcome one of the limitations of a small table top. Also, I added a 4 ft. extension on the face of the fence to overcome the smaller length of the original one. I build a lot of 6' and 7' tall cabinets using a combination of track saw and job site saw. Hope my experience helped a bit in a decision to buy or not, a job site saw.

Hello Mr! Really enjoy the insight and world of wisdom your sharing with us! Purchased my jobsite saw not long before the low fence style become available. I run dado stacks , full kerf CMT chromium 24t flat bottom ripper, Forrest 48 Woodworker 2 and 40t Tenyru blades with no trouble this far. Once on a jobsite an employee hit a nail tripping the brake. I just switched the cartridge and my neighbor took the Orange CMT 40t blade to his end mill and cut off the cartridge. Surprisingly my blade was just fine and I'm still able to use it ! I really like that infeed table ! Good job coming up with all these useful products! You've helped me be more efficient! Thank you!

I have had the original JSS for six years and it was my only saw for most of that time. Loved it. Just treated myself to the 3hp Sawstop PCS last year. Knock wood, I've never tripped either.

Great review and I completely agree with you on all points. I've had my SS saw for about two years now. Its my first table saw and sole reason of the purchase was for safety. The fence was a HUGE bummer and it feels like an after though. Pulling the fence back is a great tip! Personally, using a tablesaw was super scary at first and it became gradually less scary with repeated rips. Less scary more respect. The simple fact there is a system to save fingers gave me less anxiety 😅. Thank you for the review and tips!

Fantastic and honest review, Izzy! Thanks a lot! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

I’m curious to see what you’d think of the new, cheaper saw stop compact saw.

I've had this saw for several years now. The most annoying feature for me is the mechanism for setting the height of the blade. It drives me nuts that I have to repeatedly tap on the handle ever so gently to get the height exactly where I want it. This can take several minutes to perform and needs to be rechecked afterwards (because I don't trust the saw).

Izzy is keeping it real 10 years in, still love this channel

Hey Izzy, great content as usual. I am a DIY'er and infrequent maker. I love my saw stop!! The professionals who will comment are coming from a much different point of view. The finger saving technology is the feature that led me to the purchase. My late wife encourage this as I am alone when I do my work. With no one to have my back it's a great added bit of safety. Like your blade recommendation and extender (saving up for that one!) Happy to see you healthy again!! Keep up the good work.

@steppedon

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The overconfident professionals who cut 100x more in any given year than your average Joe are the ones that will most likely need a saw like this.

@Weshopwizard

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Same for me. Pulling the fence back fixes the issue and I can get accurate cuts on mine.

Hi Izzy, I find your channel so greatly informative and so well produced. You help extend my imagination. One suggestion I like to make that you may have done already. With some of the intricate electronic equipment you have you may want to consider a whole electrical panel surge/lighting protection. Please keep the videos coming! Awesome work! 👍

A very informative video. This is the first video that gives any info on blade kerf vs wood that I have seen so far. I also like the accessories portion of this video. It is because of the aforementioned things that I have subscribed.👍

I've had my SS JS saw for 3 years. I got it to finish the inside of my new house. I wanted the mobility of a job site saw so I could move it to the room/floor I was working on. I also wanted the safety features because my young sons are getting more into helping with projects. Recently, I've been building bee hive boxes and frames for my wife. Love the blade guard dust collection and mobility. To overcome the blade height adjustment issues, I've created some jigs to get dados and rabbits dialed in pretty quickly.

Good review Izzy. I purchased my Jobsite Pro two years ago. It was dead straight out of the box. I got used to the fence movement on lockdown, I micro adjust at the ruler and lock it in, and it’s fine. I hate the slop on the SS miter gauge, though. It died not fit tightly in the slot. Solved that problem with an Incra SE 2000. I love this saw! Cheers!

Thanks for the honest review!

Great accessories! Thanks for sharing:)

bought mine last summer.. also had issues with the fence. Im going to try the pull method! I upgraded to a CMT combo blade and love it. Also agree with the infeed... soooo short

I bought the Jobsite pro about 2 years ago, and it replaced the DWE-7491. I wanted a bigger saw, but shop size is only 160 sq ft, so I needed a saw that would fold up out of way. As far as the saw goes, I'm with you on the fence. As long as I remember the trick, it works fine. Also, the miter gauge, that they provide, is a disappointment also. I actually love the quick up/down with the blade, as it works great for me. I've cut all kinds of stuff, and it works fine for me. But, I'm with you, bought it for safety. They are releasing a smaller saw, soon, for $899, no stand on it. I am looking at it to see if worth buying it, selling the Jobsite pro, so I can add saw to router table, but need to see what compromises they put into it. Good on the nose critique of it. Thanks.

I have this saw, bought it used in 2018. It does great for me and is solid and accurate. So my take on this is the new ones may have cheapened up. I do plan on bumping up to the professional model soon though. Thanks for the video!

I have o e,and I appreciate the safety features. I mostly use it to slice hard woods into knife scales, and it does this wel!

Great video, Izzy. I dig this saw, but I do have a few gripes about it as well. Obviously, the fence is not great. But my biggest problem with it, and still to this day, is that my table isn't flat. I don't know if it got damaged in shipping or what, but the seam in the table where it opens up to the storage underneath isn't level. One side is a little higher than the other. It's not on the "business" side of the table, where most pieces are cut at least, but it just means that sheet stock won't lay flat, and I am limited to a smaller table saw sled. It is a josite site saw, after all. Some annoyances, but I'd still rather use it than something that could take my fingers. Thanks again for sharing. 👍

Appreciate the info on the blades! I have a Dewalt 7491 and good blade would really help.

Good video.Have always trusted your recommendations and advice and have never gone wrong

@izzyswan

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I appreciate that!

Nice to see you again have a great day Darrell

I appreciate the review. I wouldn’t spend that kind of money but I work alone in my shop and have no desire to test running blade sharpness with any digits! Every day is one closer to a few jigs you make! My shop is only 10x12 currently.

I've had the saw stop jobsite saw for 3 years now and in general we have been happy with it. The main reasons we bought ours is it fits nicely in our small work shop, it has the capability to do dados, the expanding bed works nicely and the safety feature is a big plus especially since my 12 year son is starting to learn to use the power tools. The biggest con is the fence simply because making quick adjustments can be troublesome and attaching jigs to the fence is also a big pain it would have beennice for them to incorporate a t track into it. Also when using bypass mode for wet material and aluminum you have to remember to reactivate it if you shut the saw off between cuts but that's minor if you consider the safety aspect. As far as power and dust collection go it works very well.

@TinManKustoms

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If you want to prevent false trips when using the saw stop a computer battery backup surge bar works well.

I've been building out a fairly large basement workshop for the last 3 years now, as a hobby for now as I build my skills but with the long term goal of creating a second income stream one day. I have one of these saws and I built it into a large cabinet enclosure as others have described. I've been using it for years now on furniture and fine woodworking projects and I have some thoughts. I upgraded the fence using the Versupercool Tools aftermarket fence system, which is quite excellent and completely transforms the way the saw feels to use, it is much more like a "real" table saw now, so I will not say much about the stock fence. I will say that I disagree with the information in the video regarding the need for thin kerf blades. Obviously a thin kerf blade will cut with less resistance, and I do use a thin kerf rip blade occasionally if I need to do a lot of heavy ripping. However, I find that with a high quality full kerf blade, the saw doesn't feel underpowered, and I find myself being reluctant to take the time to switch to my thin blade because it usually isn't worth the effort. In general, I've found that the horsepower rating on power tools can be misleading, its useful for establishing the general class or category of tool, but just because two tools say they're both 1.5 HP doesn't mean they'll have the same power, in my experience. The SS jobsite feels pretty powerful for a little saw IMO and I've been able to rip 2 inch thick 6 foot long boards with a full kerf blade pretty comfortably, and I've made some joinery cuts 3 inches deep through maple and mahogany and it did work as long as I paced the cut right. Works great with an 8 inch dado stack also. I will also say, just like in the video, the blade angle adjustment is super accurate and really nice to use. My saw wal also perfect out of the box in terms of fence and blade squareness. !!!!!******BUT*****!!!!!! I have one major gripe/warning that I really can't overstate: I find the blade height adjustment to be not just annoying, but downright frustrating. That quick height adjust makes sense if I was actually using it for what a jobsite table saw is meant for: if you just need to cut some plywood and 2x4s then being able to raise and lower the blade quickly is more convenient. But it makes it super hard to cut really accurate tenons (using the miter gauge method) or dados or rabets, to the point where I often look for other methods of creating those cuts rather than take the time to dial in my saw's height to the level of accuracy I want for certain applications, which might take 20 minutes (just to set the blade height). A big part of the problem is not just that the blade adjustment is twitchy and hard to microadjust (which it is), the blade height will often change by about 15 thousandths of an inch when you first turn the saw on after setting it to a new height. This is because the mechanism that sends the blade up and down has a certain amount of slop and backlash that I don't think you would find in the typical mechanism on other saws, so when you start the saw it sort of "settles" into a stable position. That means I need to set the blade height, run the saw, and then re-set the blade height, and then run the saw.....and do that until I'm at the right setting. I know some people will laugh at trying to get that precise, but in certain applications it really does matter. Again, if you were using this in any normal jobsite applications, or any cut where you are cutting all the way through the wood, you would never even notice this. But if you're trying to cut precise parts for small wooden 3D puzzles, for example, its super irritating. At this point I've committed and learned to live with it, but given that I invested so much in upgrading the saw with an aftermarket fence and cabinet enclosure, I really wish I'd spent a little more money and gotten the contractor grade saw, which has a larger and cast iron table and a conventional blade adjustment mechanism. If you want to do something like I did, and turn it into the center of an actual woodshop, I would advise against it specifically because of the blade height issue (everything else actually works great). Either spend more money to get the contractor saw, or just get the dewalt jobsite and be careful with your fingers. If you don't anticipate using the saw to cut precise joinery or intricate parts, this may be less of an issue.

Great stuff. As always. I need to add a table saw to my tool collection.

Thank you for your review on this SawStop saw. I have been interested in getting a Saw Stop table saw for our production studio at our community theater. With so many different people, novice to pros, using the saw I feel it would be the safest to have in the studio. Have you done a review of one of their shop saws?

DeWalt 7491 has the best fence for jobsite saws

@izzyswan

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absolutely agree with you!

@richcooke9241

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I do not know what model # Dewalt I bought a few years ago, but the fence is hyper accurate for a $600+/- table saw! Plus, if the blade guard is removed the saw will not start until the operator acknowledges that it's MIA

@jeremyjohnson3613

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Can you explain why

I wish this was a review of the new sawstop compact table saw (CTS) which they have recently announced

just use a blade guard and save a ridiculous amount of money to protect your fingers from getting cut off, plus you get kick back protection.

I have used this ss saw and liked the capacity to effectively contain dust collection w/ shop vac use of course. Other similar saws not as dc friendly

Great review Izzy. I've had mine for a few years and it was a huge upgrade for me as I was on a really crappy $75 (new) tablesaw. The 3 main issues I have is for sure that movement in the fence when locking so thank you for that tip. It is workable, but annoying for sure. Second, my table saw deck is not flat. Not at all. I worked with SS and they would not give me a new one. I can put a square on the left of the blade and be at 90. Don't move anything except the square to the other side and it is out quite a bit. Even with larger squares taking the throat plate out of the equation. I can even place a straight edge over the deck and see the gaps. I've used brute force to get it closer, but it is still not flat. Their answer to my $1400 (at that time) saw was "it is a jobsite saw, you should not expect perfection". Third is pretty common I think with all saws and that is the miter gauge that that comes with it is total garbage. Threw mine away. I do use a full 1/8" blade (Ridge Carbide Blade) and never had an issue.

@robertsmith3518

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If you have documentation of who/when / you spoke with @ SS and you used a Credit Card to buy . Try asking the CC company for assistance in resolving a warranty issue , The worst thing they can do is say no . If that dont work ,goto your courthouse and ask one of the clerks how to file a civil action against SS . It will cost about 200 to process the paperwork but now they must hire legal council for $3000-5000 to defend a 1400 saw. See where this is going ? Good luck

I have three sawstops, jobsite saw is one of them. I do interior trim and custom cabinets, but also install prefab cabinets. It's great for installs. I've been very happy with it but the main reason is the safety and peace of mind. I've been in the business for 45 years, still have all my fingers and being in my 60's I swapped out all my table saws to sawstops for this reason.

I’ve had this job site saw for about 4ish years. The fence has always been square, the slop is mostly annoying when trying to micro adjust it. The power is underwhelming but does the job most of the time. Of course I wish the rip capacity was larger. Overall I’ve been happy with the quality of the saw, though I’m not a professional on a job site, I have had to drag it around to quite a few different jobs. Side note, I have the older version and my Izzy extension only works in the right miter slot with the extension in the closed position due to the older bar construction, which is also annoying but at least I can use it with my miter gage and cross cut sled.

I'm still mad that the Bosch safe saw was forced off the market by Sawstop. It didn't destroy blades when it was activated and could be reset by changing an inexpensive cartridge, allowing almost uninterrupted work even with an incident.

@GPG7754

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Sawstop -now owned by Festool - is responsible for some chopped off fingers because they are so strict with their patent they sued Bosch and scared every competitor away.

@nathan1sixteen

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It’s not about safety, it’s about money. If it were about safety they would free their design to everyone, much like Volvo did with the seatbelt.

@GPG7754

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@@nathan1sixteen precisely

@MetalMario137

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@@GPG7754 What!!! Fucking Festive Tools owns SawStop!? Damn I hate how overpriced their equipment is. Its very nice quality! But so overpriced. I can see how a couple items where its hard to compromise for high production or something, but seeing shops decked out with 100% Festool is just disgusting.

Great video and review, thanks. How flat is the saw bed?

I live in New Zealand. Exotic tool stuff is expensive here. A standard jobsite saw is typically between $500 to $1200. The Sawstop Jobsite saw is not imported - only the cabinet saw. An 'Other brand" cabinet saw is between $1600 to $3000. The Sawstop is $7900 and replacement brake units are $240. There is no way the average home woodworker can afford these no matter how much you want to protect your fingers (for reference, the average trade worker after tax wage is around $22 per hour).

@theabombination1

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Wouldn't you just get one shipped over from AUS? this saw is $2499AUD, whilst still not cheap, its a lot easier to justify than $8k

@ctmurray

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Carbatec now is selling the Jobsite saw for $2,299.

I agree, awfull expensive for a job site saw. The fence is a mistake. There are way too many saws out there with a rack-n-pinion fence that pretty much dead on, not to put that style on. I can see where the quality of power could cause issue with the false trips. SawStop seems to charge double for their saws over a “like” saw. But this seems even more.

@biguprochester

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Dewalt. The fence stays parallel to the blade and you adjust it with a knob. I check it all the time and it never isn’t parallel

@veganpotterthevegan

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@@biguprochester my fence was over a millimeter off when I bought it. Every few months, I need a small readjustment. Not at all bothered by that. Just saying it's not actually perfect.

Everything said here is on point. Personally I’ve used Dewalt for the last 27 years as the rack and pinion fence is the best when adjusted properly for accuracy. I recently switched to the skill worm drive saw for job site use because it has all the features of the Dewalt, lots of power, a larger table, and a great stand. I would never use the saw stop. Your blade choice is on point as well and one would seldom need any other blade other than a 24 t for ripping junk.

I bought the Bosch Reaxx when it was still available because it had a lot of nice little benefits over the SawStop. It's a real pity they never worked out their patent issues because it would be nice to have 2 competing finger-saving jobsite saws on the market, especially one that won't kill your blade, and which you can use safely with inexpensive blades that have anti-kickback shoulders on them (which SawStop tells you not to use because they can bounce off of the brake and prevent/slow the mechanism). FWIW, the fence was equally bad, but of the "push to keep it stable" variety). I eventually upgraded to a PCS when I had room for it, and sold the Reaxx to a newish "garage woodworker" (basically where I was when I bought the saw) and I know he's getting great use out of it.

Thanks for the info, especially the clean power issue. I want one but run my shop off a generator. So it's out for me.

Hi Izzy! I need to come see you all. We live in North Carolina and run MakerInspired - a Maker Space on the edge of Raleigh. I've had my Sawstop jobsite saw since March 2015 - before the Pro came out. At the time, I ran a small shop in a two-car garage. Since then we've moved to a bigger space. I bought the saw with my own money - and use it for hobby - and have no problem loaning it out. I agree with you on the fence slop - and have overcome it in my applications much like you suggest. I don't agree that it's a bad saw. Like you said - if you want finger saving technology, it is the only one of it's kind on the market. I needed the compact space-saving footprint for my small garage shop and would not compromise on safety. If I were running a job site and wanted to maximize my business margin, I probably wouldn't purchase this for the money. If I was providing this to my workers and needed to ensure their safety and reduce my insurance costs, I sure would buy this saw. Bottomline: if you ignore the price, this is a great saw for what it is (not a fixed position cabinet saw). If you ignore the price, this is a very safe saw. If you have noisy electricity - you may want to consider other options for conditioning your electricity if safety is paramount - otherwise get a different saw (they have a compact model now too - I have no experience with it yet). To simply say this is a bad saw ignores a whole lot of engineering attention that has gone into this. PS - I have the $3800 Sawstop 52-inch Cabinet Saw now - there are still times I use the jobsite saw...

I have the first version and it has had zero issues. Another contractor friend of mine purchased the newer pro model and hates it. Not sure all they changed but not going to upgrade unless I have to.

I have done architectural millwork in Boston's financial district and built miles of cabinets for Starbuck's. I purchased one of these saws when they first came out in 2015. The fence is junk. Over time, the bevel adjustment becomes harder to move from 90 to 45. The blade raising mechanism makes it not just difficult, but impossible to raise to a specific height. In general, I have found it extremely frustrating to use. Even the dust collection is terrible. I would never recommend this saw to anyone. The safest saw is the one that does not make you want to throw it out a window on the 15th floor. It is unfortunate that they did not improve the saw with this iteration.

I’ve had a JSS Pro for 6 months now and am satisfied overall. PROS: 1) The finger saving technology provides huge peace of mind, and luckily I haven’t had any false trips yet. 2) After a brief learning curve, I’ve come to like the fence. As a couple other reviews have pointed out, use the red line over the ruler to select the distance from the blade, then pull back on the fence, then engage the lock. The fence snaps to square, the red line doesn’t move, and the distance is dead on 100% of the time. 3) I like the bigger table surface as compared to all of the other jobsite saws, as it provides more stability and flexibility for making a variety of cuts. 4) I’ve been able to adjust riving knife side to side in order to permit the use of thin kerf blades, which is a big plus on any jobsite saw. CONS: 1) Blade height adjustment. As described by others, it’s extremely difficult to dial in a very specific height for dados, lap joints, etc. 2) After ripping long boards, say around 4’ or longer, there is often a +/- 1/32” difference in width between the front and back. I haven’t yet figured out what’s causing this: fence slightly out of square relative to the blade? Fence movement? Other?

Yes, agree with your analysis but despite the fence I still love mine. Finger safe and a small shop makes it a winner for me. I run the Diablo thin kerf 60 tooth most of the time. Sometimes a 40 tooth for rips. Got to make that infeed accessory, must have.

Hey izzy not many know this but the festool jobsite saw use saw stop finger safe technology aswell. Im still a beginer and love your videos. I like the sawstop bc of safety but they are a little expensive in south africa just for weekends

I have the gen 1 same basic fence, I have had it for 4 ears no big complaints. I was upgrading from a old craftsman so a huge jump from that 1960 design.

Great video. Have the same saw. Agree on the fence. Another small critcism, when folded up the handles stick out too far, I kept bumping into them. I rotated my handles inward. The stock miter gauge is garbage, too much play. Lastly the table isn't flat on the throat plate. You have to be careful when cutting thinner stock. Bottomline, you're paying for the patent. Mahalo for sharing! : ) P.S. I hear they released all new replacement model.

Love mine and yes a couple little things like the fence are annoying but not the end of the world.

The company I work for bought one for the local Habitat for Humanity. That is the only experience I have with the job site saw - a few Saturday's worth of work. The quick height adjustment was not a problem for my use, but I can see your point. I did not like the fence. I don't see your point about a 1.5 HP motor on a job site saw. I believe that is fairly standard on smaller saws. I have the contractors Saw Stop in my home shop, and love it. I would like the 3HP cabinet saw, but it comes down to price vs how much time I spend in a hobby shop. Storing all the accessories with the saw is great. Especially in a situation like a Habitat job site, where tool hunting is part of the job description. It is expensive, but it is infinitely cheaper than a single finger amputation.

Thanks for telling us about poor power condition tripping the stop. My house gets "blinks" on one of the legs when it is windy. So far, my Contractor Sawstop hasn't tripped on a blink, but if it stops for no apparent reason, I'll know why.

I'm a professional remodeling carpenter and bought this saw five years ago when my son started working with me. I had a 10" Makita with a Rousseau stand and out feed table before. Honestly I liked the Makita setup better, but the safety trumps the convenience. The job site saw is too big to be lifting in and out of the Rousseau stand every day . I tried that. So I'm back to using the rolling stand it came with and setting up an auxiliary out feed table. I've never had a problem with "dirty" electricity tripping the saw, but did have to replace the switch and the computer on the tool. I've also had two accidental trips with wet pressure treated lumber. I'm now very careful to defeat the safety when cutting acq. Still and all, love the fact that it won't bite me if I have a seconds inattention. Sawstop was super helpful when I had issues and did send me a new switch for free.

Used this saw every day for 5 years. Best saw out there. Currently using cordless dewalt.

I like your sight and value your opinion. I own a saw stop saw. I'm interested in any enhancements that you would suggest for the saw.

I bought the Sawstop Jobsite Saw Pro last November. For the most part I like the saw. What sold me is saving my fingers in case of an accident. I have a very small shop and the ability to fold up the saw to move it out of the way is another reason I bought this saw along with being able to use Dado blades. I would hope that at some point Sawstop would come out with an update to the fence as the fence is the only thing I am disappointed with on the saw.

I would love a saw stop for the finger saving tech. I have a dewalt job site saw, i'm just getting into wood working on in my spare time.

hi there, thanks for the great videos i will never have your skills but it is great to see yours , when you mention thin kerf blades you don't mention about thin kerf riving knives, my saw has a thin blade but thick riving knife which is also too high for my blade when trying to use sleds etc. Maybe you did a video on this and i have not seen it. if so could you point me in the direction of this video, also with the blade thinner than the knife the cut wont go through the knife . any ideas thanks again all the best

I’ve been using the jobsite for years. It’s flush installed into a 4x8 work table, so the size limits are not a big deal. Totally agree about the fence. One other small complaint is that the table is not magnetic which would be nice. Also, I tripped the safety (metallic tape stuck to the underside of the sheet goods). My fault. Needed a new cartridge, blade and boxers.

@willboudreau1187

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funny!

@andystjohn61

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I nicked my miter gauge and learned the same lesson.

The latest saw stop table saw uses the dealt rack and pinion system, should address the fence movement problem.

Thank you for your expert review. I think safety technology will continue to develop and become more available and less expensive in the future. Meanwhile a fence is not rocket science. I have an inexpensive ryobi that locks solidly and accurately. Again thank you, and appreciate your professional blade tips.

It would be interesting to have you review the brand new Compact Table Saw model that is "only" $899.

SawStop has introduced a benchtop TS, (SawStop CTS-120A60 10" Compact Table Saw - $900). Its form factor and rack and pinion fence copy the excellent Dewalt DW745. This new SS saw provides the safety technology while addressing two main negatives of the saw you review here: excessive weight/bulk and price.

I've had a Sawstop jobsite saw for 5 or 6 years now. It is the original jobsite not the Pro model they sell now I got the saw for the finger saving technology and the smaller size. Since I have limited space in my garage/shop. I use it to cut Birch Ply for cabinets, doors and all other uses and it works fine. I'm a retired carpenter so I don't take it to jobsites everyday, but I use it quite often. It was a great improvement from my previous 35 year old table saw. I have had a few problems with the saw. First was with power, I was having problems with it running the diagnostics when you turn the saw on. Customer Service said I needed to use a shorter heavier cord. It helped some, but not great. I ended running a dedicated 20 amp circuit and have not had a problem since. The second problem was with the switch. It quit working the saw would start then stop and not reset properly. Customer Service said it was probably dust getting into the switch. I thought you're shitting me right, a $1200.00 jobsite saw that can't handle a little dust. SO they sent me a new switch, free of charge. I installed the switch and it has worked fine since. I did have the brake cartridge engage once. The saw was powering down and I was moving the fence and tapped the blade. The brake engaged and stopped the blade. The blade wasn't moving very fast when the brake engaged so the blade was not damaged. I contacted Customer Service and they sent me another cartridge. Yes the fence is kind of a pain too. All in all it works for what I need a table saw for now. And yes I would buy it again. I have one question about using a thin kerf blade. I've used one and had problems with the riving knife being to wide. It pinches the board against the rip fence making it difficult to push. Does anyone else have this problem? Any suggestions? Thanks

@sueb4154

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I too have the same problem with a thin kerf blade. The cut is so much narrower than a full kerf that the exiting wood hits and gets uncomfortably stuck on the riving knife. I think this can be an issue with any brand of jobsite saw, as mine is not a SawStop. I've attempted to rectify the issue by removing the riving knife and filing the thickness of the plate, down to where it is more wedge shaped, where the exiting wood is hitting the riving knife. It seems to work on everything but Mahogany ... but my experience is limited. Maybe there are some more (better) solutions out there?

@dfrechettej3v

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@Sue B I faced the same problem and tried several brands of thin kerf blades before giving up and switching to full-kerf blades. Problem solved. Yes, it removes a fraction more of the wood, but all riving knife issues are gone (with the plain knife or the dust collection blade guard). BTW, I personally find the full kerf blades give a better result (I use Amana Electro-Blu and CMT Orange Chrome blades).

Hello from Easton Maryland! You’re right is not recomendable much for side jobs.I watched a video of Rob Cosman and he cut a piece of aluminum and thesystem of the saws was activated.

I own the older model. Same fence problem and I cannot adjust the gap between the break cartridge and the blade. As a result I paid to have my brand new dado stack sharpened because it was an 1/8 of an inch over 8 inches in diameter.

Yes dwalt and matabo have the best fence...having a qaulity fence is almost like a safety feature...i would choose a good fence over saw stop... but idobunderstand your safety concerns...

I have a Powermatic 66 3HP and I am spoiled. I used to have a Craftsman contractor saw and that was ok when I added a Biesemeyerr fence. The portable/contractor saws are great for portability but suck for cut quality and power. Even the nicest portable or contractor saw just cannot compare to a bigger cabinet saw. Now that is comparing apples and oranges but most portable/contractor saws are for making construction cuts and not fine work. You can make it work for fine work but it is a constant struggle to keep it accurate when you throw it in a pickup and haul it around.

it may perform much better combined with the Rousseau stand. It gives it a much better fence , rip capacity and out feed. I’m spoiled, I never use my job side saw without it

Opinions vary. Just a personal choice on what people like to use. I have used my Bosch pro Site saw for around 4 years now and it cuts true and I wouldn't be without it. 😊. Great video as always ..

I love my Sawstop saw. I purchased mine 4 years ago after a builder friend almost lost 3 fingers in a table saw. I have used Dewalt and Rigid job site saws and, years ago, a Makita job site saw. They all have their idiosyncrasies. I have a handyman service and, I use my Sawstop as a job site saw and take it with me anytime I need a table saw on a job site. The fence issue, I would agree, is the biggest frustration but, I have adapted to it. I can't say I have had a problem with "dirty power" and the saw has generally worked flawlessly. I'll try the pull idea on the fence. Obviously, the safety features outweigh the fence issue. If I ruin a blade and a safety block to save a limb, I'll pay for the replacements. There are so many table saw specific tools to check, set up, and, adjust the saws; it all works.

The school I work at had an almost new Kobalt job saw with the rolling stand for use in their Innovation & Design Lab. I got it from them for a donation to an endowment fund. They replaced it with a SawStop for one reason: liability insurance. Myself, I’m not such a fan of it that I would buy it for the finger saving tech.

Izzy you need to retro fit SawStop technology into a Dewalt jobsite table saw

Accessories were the best part!

One thing about DeWalt jobsite saw is that the rack & pinion fence is actually pretty good. But until the patent fully expires in a few years, if you're concerned about safety, SawStop is it.

Hi Izzy. I own the prior generation SawStop jobsite saw, and agree with all your comments. The fences on my prior ~$400 saws were better. SawStop's documentation says the safety brakes were not designed for thin kerfs and to avoid thin kerf blades. I was pretty disappointed when I read that. And you have to buy a different brake for dado sets. I'm a hobbyist, so despite its shortcomings, the saw is good enough for what I do, and the $1000 safety premium is cheaper than a hospital bill or loss of fingertips. SawStop's patent expired, so hopefully other vendors will release their own versions and help us get better, safer saws at lower prices.

Thanks Izzy. This is interesting

Your analysis and assessment are spot-on. I have been a hobby woodworker and also a Ph.D. engineer (retired) who has over 45 years of R&D experience and knowledge. Any product's value is determined by form&functional differentiation compared to the competition. In this case, the "safety in use" is perhaps the most (proprietary) differentiation and they are "MILKING" it for every penny

@Erik_The_Viking

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It's the only differentiation they have, and the patents on it are expiring so yes they're definitely milking it for all it's worth.

@ramosel

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After flying NAVAIR, I followed a similar path but the Product Development side of things, retired now too. I developed my own approach to a "product's value" wherein it's innate quality is inversely proportional to how much time I had to spend identifying, finding and fixing problems. Based on the issues Izzy has shown with this saw... at that price... I agree they are milking their one golden egg as the rest of the tool has some serious problems.

Will your miter slot extension work on a Bosch jobsite saw?

Great video and I wish I had watched this before buying my SS saw. I have had mine for about 3 years now just as a hobbyist and the fence is by far the worst part. Its so bad that it really knocks your confidence around to get accurate cuts. As a job site saw cutting framing timber or Pergolas I am sure its fine, but trying to make cabinets or anything accurate is just about impossible. So hard to get square anything. The safety feature is why I bought it being my first saw and that part I love. Should be on all saws.

I'll stick with my old 113 model craftsman it may not have all the bells and whistles but it is very accurate and with the upgrades I've giving her she's the best

Not that I might come even close to considering to buy this monster, but thx a lot for this

Great video. I have used it for a few weeks and I completely agree. I don’t like the slop in the fence. I agree the finger saving Technology is great, but I find myself going back to using my dewalt job site saw because I need more accurate cuts with the fence.

We have one at work! Our company paid for it. My home saw is Dewalt. I could replace it two times for the price of one sawstop!

I am still using my el-cheapo Ryobi little table saw, and it seems to perform well. Yes, it is not beautiful and high-tech, but I keep nice sharp combo blades on it (yeah, it has a mediocre fence). A saw-stop seems pretty far away for me due to cost, and I think I want one--but only for the safety aspect. Woodworking is a hobby for me, but I hope to get this one day.

Lots of interesting comments. 👍👍 Again I’m not sure why I’m not getting notifications. Arrg!

Hey Izzy i believe that festool also has a finger saving mechanism in its tablesaw

@AaronGeller

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because Festool bought out the patent.

Interesting to see guys promote saw blades that are nearly two or three times as expensive as the ones I've been using for a couple of decades (with excellent results as a finish guy) and calling them "not expensive". Oh yeah, the longevity argument is thrown out, and then thrown out. As usual, great content Izzy. My job site saw is the first (and best) generation of the Rigid. It's heavy for a jobsite saw which helps stability, the fence works well. It has a couple of weak point made more aggravating by it's obsolete status. I've used the newer model, meh. I've used many other brands of jobsite saws, they all have serious limitations. Seeing this short review puts the Sawstop in the "nope" column for a jobsite saw.

I work with volunteers everyday, frequently cutting moist wood(please correct me if I'm wrong) ; it's my understanding that the sawstop will trip on damp wood, destroying the blade and cartridge. Our volunteers are amazing and I'll do anything for their well-being except buy a saw stop, nothing would be accomplished. Good training is far better than saw stops!!!

The 15amp motor power is just a limit placed on all 120v power tools.

Alan Stratton (As Wood Turns on TY) tripped his but on that saw, the blade doesn't retract like the bigger saws. The brake just slams into the blade to stop it.

Flip your magnetic square so the magnets are on the blade, and the other bit on the table, same result but the magnets work on the blade.

I’ve had one for about 6 months. I just use it in my small shop, where everything is on wheels. I completely agree about the fence. It’s annoying trying to adjust it. I also think the miter gage is crap. I don’t really care about that because I already had a good Incra after market miter gage, which is what I use. I’m also happy with the 40 tooth combination blade that came with the saw. I wonder who makes it.

I sold my dewalt 7491RS to buy the JSSPro. The dewalt's fence was the only thing I really liked about it, but it wasn't perfect out of the box. Not a big deal to adjust. I liked the rack-and-pinion adjustment for sure, but the tabletop wasn't dead flat but no cast aluminum table that isn't milled is. My SS is flatter and runs without the DW's wicked vibration on start up and shutdown. I watched a few videos of the JSS and had seen the tip to pull back on the fence gently before locking it down. I thought everybody knew that. The saw is at least as good as any other jobsite saw on the market and it wont cut your fingers off. Even if you say that feature adds $1K to the price, nobody is going to say their hand/fingers aren't worth the extra money. I have a really small shop and need a compact saw, otherwise I'd have picked up the contractor saw, but this never travels to a job site. I mainly use the saw for smaller cuts, only stuff that's easily managed on a compact table although I've ripped long lengths of hardwood after setting up a good outfeed, and never had a problem with accuracy. If I need to cut sheet goods or larger panels I use my track saw.