good to see all platforms doing so well

@zybch

7 жыл бұрын

And yet on this video (screw youtube compression), the xb1 and 4Pro look identical for almost all intents and purposes. Even between it and the stock ps4 the only difference is a slightly lower resolution. Codemasters should take a leaf out of Turn 10's book and what they did with Forza Horizon 3. 1080/60 all the time with visuals that look better all the time too.

@christophercoey7804

7 жыл бұрын

Forza Horizon 3 is an open world racing game - the game engine requirements are completely different. The game has to be able to deal with cars and their physics coming in head-on and from multiple directions - what has to be rendered and supported is just completely different. Simply put, you cannot compare such a racing game, to a track racer. Forza Motorsport 6 is a better comparison, so to Driveclub.

@zybch

7 жыл бұрын

+swifterik - Crap, I meant Motorsport 6. Been playing Horizon too much over the past week and its got into my head lol.

@christophercoey7804

7 жыл бұрын

It's ok, no worries. That said Forza Motorsport 6 is 1080p, 60fps. If you google the details you'll see. I own a PS4 Pro, an Xbox One, PC and loads of other stuff. There are great racers on all platforms imo. I think Forza Horizon and Motorsport are great on Xbox, I thought Driveclub was better than people originally gave it credit for and love the Bikes add on. I've got Dirt 4 on the PS4 Pro. I must admit I had hoped for a high res mode - at least 1440p, but maybe Codemasters will pull their finger out and support something that way via an update. The best way to play as of now looks like the PC - horses for courses and all that - good game though.

Don't waste your time down here, it's full of ignorant fanboys. Scroll back up. You're welcome.

@FREERYU100

7 жыл бұрын

Thats what everyones here for tho lol

@MrGamemaker8

7 жыл бұрын

Who cares how a racing game performs? We're here for those comments!

@dandk_

7 жыл бұрын

This entire comments sections is like a padded out room full of people trying to headbutt things/each other.

@Cazaril

7 жыл бұрын

Dan, these are words to live by on every Digital Foundry comment section.

@robertt9342

5 жыл бұрын

Can't we all just get along?

I really like the screen tear indicators you guys added!

That shimerring effect always has drove me nuts ever since the ps1 and ps2 days.

frame rate drop to 56 fps. "Literally unplayable" - DF 2017

@nickmotsarsky4382

5 жыл бұрын

Where do you hear them say "unplayable" ?

@AlexanTheMan

4 жыл бұрын

It's called sarcasm, just making fun of DF's sometimes exaggerated nitpicking of 1-5 dropped frames.

@DeesBees85

4 жыл бұрын

AlexanTheMan Digital Foundry’s entire channel is built around analyzing gaming tech and performance. If your feelings get hurt because they point out frame drops maybe you shouldn’t watch their videos.

@AlexanTheMan

4 жыл бұрын

When did I say I was offended by this? I was only clearing up the misunderstanding of the first guy who replied.

@DeesBees85

4 жыл бұрын

AlexanTheMan you said they exaggerated and nitpicked dropped frames. That’s what this channel is about. It’s not a channel for randos who don’t care about this stuff.

I'm still playing Colin Mcrae's Rally on the Playstation 1. I think it's time for me to upgrade.

Good video. Love this chanel. Was waiting on this video I might pick it up. This channel gonna pop when scorpio comes out. I cant wait. Keep up the good work guys

Good overall quality performance and looks across the platforms. I recommend the PS4 Pro or PC versions, although they're all pretty good. But let's not forget that today Mr. Adam West sadly passed away.

Hi, you are one of my favourite channels and I would like to ask you a question.I have collected some money and I want to buy a ps4 pro together with a 4k tv.I'm going to buy the second one either way.However I don't think I will purchase the ps4 pro because I've heard that the ps5 is coming next year and I'm afraid it will be a waste of money.What do you believe I should do,buy a ps4 pro or wait until the ps5 is released.Thank you for your time.

About time! Had been waiting for this!

Great work - nice insights. thnx

So we've got the Scorpio unveiling tonight (UK time) Quite excited to see a video with your thoughts after they show it off. Looking forward to it.

Hey, what's wrong here with road's texture? They jitter so destructive for me! What's wrong with shadows on PS4/PS4_Pro? From video they look almost black!

This game runs on my laptop's A10-9600p APU... Truly a work of optimization art.

Digital Foundry videos always get me rock hard. If they ever make a video that lasts for 4 hours or more, I will probably need to contact my doctor.

@tyguy3876

Жыл бұрын

Do they still in 2023 lol

what the hell is up with the lighting on xbone, did someone fuck up with the gamma slider or something?

So, what settings do the consoles use?

I’ve always enjoyed the dirt series but I don’t have the best eyesight so it’s a bummer that they removed the mini map and racing line options from dirt 4/5. Hate when developers remove features. There should always be options for everyone

Why cant XBox one handle yellow high vis jackets? It can only cope with orange? @2:25

I read a lot of comments I own both PS4 Xbox one not pro or s and a pc with 16gbdd3 i74790 970gtx from gigabyte with 4 gB. Ddr5. And the three are hooked at a Samsung tv 1080 p 3D the 40'' one. I only care for graphics and fps. .plese help me where to buy it !!! And a gigabyte gtx 970 with 4 gb ddr5 with what nvidia card from 1xxx series is equivalent?

I really don't like how the trees look in a distance other than the ones you pass by. They look completely flat and there is a lack of shadows as well.

What would be PS4 equivalent settings on PC?

+DigitalFoundry What is performance like on XB1S ?

Digital Foundry, whenever you take PC into the equation, PLEASE name the specs of the machine! That should be standard practice. It's disingenuous to state that PC is the superior version, when it's entirely dependent on what components you're using.

2:31 on the right side this isn't the PS4 Pro, wrong description.

I wish you guys would show more PC hardware comparisons.

i rather the easiness and higher player count of console games but i go to PC for exclusives and games that have mod support and better frame rate ect..! nice video!

Also, during nighttime gameplay, car's headlight does not cast any shadow ,like in Dirt Rally.

@Markchadsend

7 жыл бұрын

Hank Hill propane

They used the dirt rally sound track on this video :)

Why do you need 60fps during a replay? 30fps is used for all cinematics in video games, even on PC.

EXCELLENT DIGITALFOUNDRY WORK

12:40 listen to the pace notes! haha

When you guys zoom things, could you just use pixel resize instead of bicubic resampling? It's just a horrible mess to look at. Pixel resize scaling would be sharp and show the resolution difference better.

1080p , Xbox One, PS4, PS4 Pro ?

Hey digital foundry.your youtube video's bitrate very low recently.

@SvenTorstenKrause

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, thougth that too, maybe they want you to support their patreon with this move ;(

@TheJohdu

7 жыл бұрын

looks more like encoding artefacts to me

@DuckAlertBeats

7 жыл бұрын

Ersan .Ersoy Yeah definitely noticed this recently too, i wonder what could be behind that? :) not that I'm cynical or anything...

@AlexDisibio

7 жыл бұрын

KZread's fault. It's encoding hates lots of movement like you have in a racing game.

@DuckAlertBeats

7 жыл бұрын

Alex Disibio It definitely seems worse across the board recently though..pretty sure I've noticed that, but yeah fast movement doesn't help. This looks more like streamed PS4 footage than decent capture though I swear its got worse. DF? Can you confirm or deny this? :)

KZread's video compression makes this lose so much quality. :/

Hi Digital Foundry 🖐

Could someone tell me if this game is HDR?

Got this game on my triple monitor display in surround mode with my steering wheel. Something that console will never be able to do.

What about the Xbox one X. Did it got patched? Does anybody know?

You can't really expect true 4k support for PS4 Pro. Even the Geforce 1080 (not Ti) on the PC can't do 4k @60 FPS in most games and that GPU is much more powerful than the PS4 pro, which hovers around a Geforce 1060 (or slightly above) in performance. Maybe 2560X1440 upscaled, but even that may be a stretch for some of the more demanding games (which would require something in the realms of a Geforce 1070 to get to 60 FPS). That is, if you play at the same detail settings as on the PC, which maybe won't be the case.

@SimonZellox

7 жыл бұрын

Magnus Lööv The PS4 pro is actually not even close to a 1060 in gaming performance. The 1060 is almost equal to an RX 480 and even the RX 470 performs better in games than the PS4 Pros GPU.

@Magnus_Loov

7 жыл бұрын

@Simon Well, it may be hard to get a real benchmark number. But one rough estimate of the power of the cards is the number of Teraflops they can do and the PS4 Pro is at 4.1 Teraflops and the 1060 is at 4.0 Teraflops. A 1080 is at 9 Teraflops (More than double the 1060 performance). But my main point was about the Ps4 Pro not being near to perform good at real 4k since it is, at best, around the same performance as the 1060 that is less than half as powerful as the 1080 which in turn itself isn't able to run 4k@60 FPS! The 1060 runs about the same benchmark numbers as the older 980 and, if I remember correctly, I think the PS4 actually was said to be about the performance level of a 980 when it was released. And I think it was talked about that it wouldn't be able to run 4K good since the 980 couldn't either! The RX-480 is more powerful than the 1060. It actually uses the same Polaris GPU as the Ps4 Pro but it is clocked a bit higher. Edit : Found this link : wccftech.com/ps4-pro-performance-equivalent-900pc/ So they estimate it is about as powerful as a 970, which is a bit less than the 1060, but not by much! In older days (Ps3, Xbox 360) it used to be that they performed better than what the "numbers" predicted, but nowadays it seems like the PC has the upper hand in every way! Still running a console that has something in the ballpark of a 970 isn't that shabby, considering that in 2013 they were still running with PS3/Xbox 360 when 600 or 700-series Geforce cards were out!

@SimonZellox

7 жыл бұрын

***** It's still much less powerful than a 970.

I wonder how long it will take before Microsoft drops support for the Xbox One/S.

What shit priorities. Nobody uses MSAA anymore because it's so heavy, they could easily get 1440p or 1800p without it on pro.

@LilSOS

7 жыл бұрын

What AA it's better ?

@wile123456

7 жыл бұрын

Gamer Cat MSAA is one of the oldest form of AA, and it is very clean, but it eats performance and VRAM similar to a higher resolution. Any of the more advanced post process AA can look just as good for a fraction of the performance cost, SMAA or TAA for example. But I would say it's better to have no AA at all on the pro, if it meant they could go for a higher resolution. Jagged edges are much less noticeable on higher resolutions as well.

@wile123456

7 жыл бұрын

Chiriac Puiu they can get much higher than 1200p. MSAA upscales geometry and downsamples unlike SSAA which oversamples the whole image and then downsamples. If they had 4x SSAA they could get 4K no problem, 4x MSAA is not as demanding, but still about half or something like that, so they would easily be able to get 1440p or maybe higher. Have the option to use MSAA for 1080p owners, but it's stupid priority not to have a higher resolution when it is clearly possible.

@wile123456

7 жыл бұрын

Chiriac Puiu okay so des being lazy is just because of their engine as always. They have a well optimized engine hitting 60, they should be better bale to use the extra power. If we get some test on PC showing how well resolutions scale then we can judge.

@kirkpurdy1995

7 жыл бұрын

lol I still use it in Oblivion and Skyrim plus fallout but yeah it is heavy but if you got the hardware it works

Would of liked to of seen a more in depth analysis on the pc platform. It would be nice if developers still made pc game demos so we can actually see how a game performs on our platform before we decide to buy it !!

@DaSchantinga

Жыл бұрын

Would of?

I`ve found the shadow draw distance to be really low... even on ultra =(

great game, nice 1080 performance for pro, but it needs a 1440 option with effects in medium-high and solid 60 fps, and finally the VR support for PSVR and PC.

10:14 Why are the tree reflections on PC run at a lower frame-rate?

@UnL1k3

3 жыл бұрын

Pc not strong enough compared to ps4

@mbsfaridi

3 жыл бұрын

@@UnL1k3 WOW! After 3 years ha.

i had no idea this was coming out???

Now do you guys finally understand that 60fps is more superior to 30fps?

@gayluigi6495

7 жыл бұрын

it is, but I'll do just fine with 30

@Lymzy

7 жыл бұрын

GameZard I like that cinematic feel

@Lymzy

7 жыл бұрын

DeadPhoenix86 24 fps Is buttery smooth

@Froed

7 жыл бұрын

Godly TLP Im guessing you’re brain dead

@TheDoomCake

7 жыл бұрын

Godly TLP bad troll is bad

So the PC version is just going to ba a footnote at the end? There won't be any framerate comparison with GTX1060 vs. RX580? Disappointing.

Oh god the AA on consoles. I'm so glad I game on pc.

You guys really need to upload your videos in 4k or change your compression method because these compression artifacts make it impossible to see the differences when it's in motion, it looks like crap.

also why are you talking about 4k on the pro? obviously it can't manage that here, let alone at 60fps.

Almost feel like you're toning down the encode quality on purpose for the YT videos, they've become steadily worse in quality over the last month or so..

I don't get it. The pro either has 4k or not and 60fps. If they can't do 4k 60fps, could they at least double 1080?

What about PC performance?

I think their engine isn't ready to support checkerboard rendering yet. 2160cb or 1800cb would have been better... Heck even 1440p would have been a noticeable upgrade. But I assume the available GPU/bandwidth resource on Pro isn't enough to hit those kind of resolution while targeting 60fps in this title.

@Fendera1

7 жыл бұрын

Wipeout Omega Collection runs in 4K @ 60 fps, so yeah there could be done more with the Pro. When the Scorpio is out, devs are taking more advantage of the Pro.

@AnalogFoundry

7 жыл бұрын

+loannis Stf - BF1 uses checkerboard rendering and it's actually 1800p (or 1800cb) on Pro. But since dynamic resolution is in play In that game, it mostly sticks to *1656p*, actually. If codemasters had also used cb rendering, they could have gotten more out of PS4 Pro is all i'm saying.. But alas, not everyone has the time and budget to tick all the boxes, I presume.

@matthewwatt2295

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the EGO engine is really starting to show its age. It seems they've had to scale back visual quality to support their randomly generated stages, so Dirt Rally ends up looking better if you compare similar stages/weather conditions. I highly respect them for targeting 60fps though.

respectable devs

That Dirt Rally music tho.

They talk about image quality so much in this video, so it's funny that the image quality of the video itself is ridiculously low.

I guess project Scorpio support then ?

@Damian88846

4 жыл бұрын

Yes:)

@OutreRim

4 жыл бұрын

@@Damian88846 do you live in the past?

@Damian88846

4 жыл бұрын

@@OutreRim Yes

Probably gonna skip this on the PRO unless they update it to give a resolution bump.

Dirt Rally was a little better on One, it's very bizarre this Dirt 4 with dynamics resolution can be a little better on PS4 ... for the rest it's the same game, difference are invisible for naked eyes. For those who say D4 is not simulation like DR, play the same car (like Alpine, R5 Turbo, BMW E30 EVO etc) on DR and after on D4 and you will see this car are more difficult to control, the game in simulation mode without help can be more difficult to master, all depend the car and the type of ground you play. D4 for me is a really great game to play.

Makinnen , Colin , Leob , gronholm , solberg . I miss the old WRC :(

Surprised by the frame rates, looks nice enough but its not cutting edge, i play at 2k 75hz on a 980ti fx8350 build with everything maxed and it doesnt skip a beat.

Getting this for pc

all looks the same to billy walker. nice video!

I don't understand developers choosing MSAA over higher resolution and/or better Post-AA and/or better performance and/or anything else.

I've only seen videos of this game but the gfx are definitely not good enough. I thought with there only being one car on screen the gfx would be amazing? I think code masters need to let the drive club team they acquired help them.

Pro user getting the shaft , unless it a Sony studio pro support is pretty bad either poorly implemented or not at all. Hopefully Ms new system gets better support.

Is it worth to buy a Ps4 Slim now? Can't afford a Ps4 Pro!!

@DeathPerMinute

7 жыл бұрын

Get the gold one!

@gustafabrahamsson4251

7 жыл бұрын

Nah, Want the white one haha, going to sell My xone for the Slim!

@DeathPerMinute

7 жыл бұрын

Drama Sverige also a good choice!

@gustafabrahamsson4251

7 жыл бұрын

Thank You, I want the exclusives That I missed WITH the xone and the bad graphics..

@gustafabrahamsson4251

7 жыл бұрын

Should I buy Slim or Orignial?

it's funny cause with a gtx 1080ti you can get 4k 60+ fps on almost any game. maybe even 80 fps. I think next year is going to be awesome for pc as we prob play 4k 100fps. of course if you have the money.

I already can imagine XBOX ONE X runnig this at 4K and 60fps.

@chrischupp9760

4 жыл бұрын

CesAlvz it’s not enhanced for it unfortunately

Both PS4 and Xbox One look and play great.

The green scorpio are coming, the green scorpio are coming!

Damm the flickering on the edges is annoying on the consoles. Thank god PC has better anti-aliasing.

@SimonZellox

7 жыл бұрын

***** Bei meinem Bruder auf dem Fernseher sehe ich es auch die ganze Zeit und es zerstört meine Augen.

@SimonZellox

7 жыл бұрын

***** Es ist ein 40 Zoll 1080p Fernseher an einer ps4 slim und Wii u.

@BryceandKyle

7 жыл бұрын

What? Do you know computers work with televisions? Controllers & wheels connect without a problem. Why do you think PC is the main platform for Simulator racing like iRacing? Because it's better.

@SimonZellox

7 жыл бұрын

Zuhair S​ I'm playing on a TV with a controller on PC literally right now. What a joke.

@ddha0000

7 жыл бұрын

I think Zuhair took a stupid pill today

I notice a difference in image quality when comparing Dirt 4 on win7 x64 and Win10 x64 on my 970GTX. It looks like some sort of dynamic resolution scaling on win7. If you look for example in Spain stages, The white lines on the road have jaggies on win7 whereas on Win10 with exact same settings, have non. The overall image is sharper on Win10 as well, Very noticeable on text. I'm playing on a Sony Bravia 46" LED from 2011. Might be worth checking into. -Have a nice day!

You guys are all so listenable

The cup on that table had no shadow at all!!! no buy. 😊

what's with the bit rate guys? is this the non patreon crown getting a downgrade. thanks

-1 fps is nothing to complain about. It happens in every PC game I've ever played. You don't even notice it.

These graphics could be better across ALL platforms. Why can't we just get Driveclub 2 with 60 FPS? That would be beautiful.

Will be interesting to see if Scorpio could run this game @ 4K 60.

@TheMrpeace360

7 жыл бұрын

peaheaduk loll 4k 60 Jaja like need for speed and asssisns Creed both are 4k 30 on Scorpio lolll

@peaheaduk

7 жыл бұрын

Huh we don't even know how they will run yet . :)

@WH250398

7 жыл бұрын

I don't think it will. The cpu would be a problem

@joshuaminke6629

7 жыл бұрын

WH250398​​ the cpu isn't the issue in this game, it already running at 60fps, the gpu you is the issue, the gpu is powerful in the Scorpio, but not powerful enough to run this game at 4k 60fps, a gtx 1080ti gets about 70fps at 4k, and that has like twice the power of the gpu in the Scorpio, the best it could do is 1440p 60fps

@Tripokaridos22

7 жыл бұрын

Joshua Minke 1080ti I get over 80 fps on ultra 4k

its fucked up how once sony released the ps4 pro they started to put less work into the base ps4 because come on lets face it. if we were still in the base ps4 era without the ps4 pro existing they'd do their best to perfect it more on the base ps4

It's not just that you nearly don't see any difference between PS4 & PS4 Pro. PS4 Pro is just no 4K console. And don't argue with these handful of games that run on scaled 4K!

In my opinion every game on console should have a 60fps resolution scale mode.

Sooner or later you will need a PS4 pro just for native 1080p gaming... you can forget 4k. That scaled back RX 470 in the pro is weak and it doesnt help that the CPU is a crap laptop part.

@martianmanhunter8219

7 жыл бұрын

Minmataro718 finally someone getting the bigger picture.

@polystrate1

7 жыл бұрын

and same with the 1x1. No real new CPU going into new consoles until about 2021.

@Stay1ng_Grounded

7 жыл бұрын

Minmataro718 The Xbox One X has the same garbage cpu. RX 470 is for like 1080p 60fps ultra which it looks like PS4 Pro is doing high at 1080p 60fps. This is why the X won't get many 4K games, the cpu in all the consoles are garbage. A Intel or Ryzen cpu in PS5 would be insanity. But, I would take better games with 1080p 60fps than no games with 4K 30fps.

@jilianjing7549

7 жыл бұрын

Minmataro718 it's just that developers aren't utilizing it's full potential.

PC>Ps4>Xbox1 tell us something we don't know.

@KeyMacGamingKeyz

4 жыл бұрын

@Joaquin Elias González González a motion rig doesn't.🤣

do you do these voiceovers with a cloths pin on your noise?

Only 1080p on Pro? Lmao, glad I went for the PC version.

Oh yes pc master race 🙌 but my game crashes on rainy stages. sigh

the comments sectionis full of people saying "xbox is dead", wtf is wrong with you guys?

@leonardmendoza8287

7 жыл бұрын

Fals3Agent noticed that too just fanboys being fanboys sadly

YT barely can handle D4... srsly some tracks are impossible for YT compression to deal with which makes it looks awful.

E3 Scorpio Squad! Make Some Noise!

PS4 Pro Best platform to play DIRT 4 on a Full HD TV ... (because a goos PC will cost soooo much to do same...) They finally understand that not all players have 4k TV yet !!! and that's great ... Thanks you Codemasters ... my PS4 Pro thanks you :)

So you should dirt 4 on the pro with boost mode on or off?

I love how some people praise exclusives. Smh....

@FREERYU100

7 жыл бұрын

If an exclusive is good why not praise it?

@DJHeroMasta

7 жыл бұрын

So then praise the game and the and not the fact that it's an exclusive.

@DJHeroMasta

7 жыл бұрын

Host Deep ?

@DJHeroMasta

7 жыл бұрын

Host Deep, It's the fact that it's not.

Digital Foundry have some crazy standards. 55-60FPS almost is unplayable in their eyes while I simply cannot feel the difference. Maybe it has 5-10% impact on your controls which is almost unimportant, yet they stress it like it's everything. It's nice to have high standards on framerate, but it's just unnecessary to have super high CRAZY standard, specially on 4 years old consoles ;)

@nickmotsarsky4382

4 жыл бұрын

Screen tearing sucks.

I have pc, ps4 pro & led 4k 52"... the best graphic dirt4 is on ps4 pro, because my total budget pc is $700 when I play dirt4 setting high fps drop to 24 fps, medium just can play in 45 fps... no offence bro...

I remember this series of games being more impressive. Not particularly impressed with how this one looks, to be honest. I'm sure it's technically more advanced, but maybe there is something less impressive about the general art direction.