I'm so glad you guys are collaborating. Always inspiring creative journeys for me Joe :)

Thanks again Joe! Super fun having a famous youtuber and camera / blimp / John McPhee enthusiast to hang out with in real life!

Man, I've been seeing Brendan Barry doing this and I've really been wanting to give it a shot.

This is so rad. Thank you for explaining what each step does instead of just going through the motions. You're cool

thank you Joe for sharing this , it is really Interesting

Thanks Ethan for showing this process. My guess about the grain is that the temperature hasnt reach its optimum for processing. See you guys in your next video. Cant wait.

awesome video! You two are are great together.

Whoooohooo this is so cool. I really need to make a afgan box camera now.

Great work..Thanks Guys...

Haha, I see a Cameradactyl hiding in the video. Thanks for the cameo! --Cameradactyl :p

Thanks for the video! Granularity may be related to the low temperature process.

Very Interesting.

Thank you for this insightful video. I work with an 8x10 colour neg process, but producing only colour negatives and invert to a positive after scanning. I too at the start, experienced little to no online resources about working with this process. As for the filtration, I think you have a pretty good combination and don't think it's necessary to get it perfect. I also noticed greys tend to go red, which makes sense due to the pigment dyes in the paper and how they react to light at the time of exposure. That particular element I noted as a positive characteristic and not worth resolving! As for the grain, I wonder if it's the B&W developer? If you were to lower the Developer strength by adding more water? This giving more time for the tones to develop, especially in the highlights, and may resolve the grain issue. I use D-76 diluted to about 1:4 believe it or not for my B&W paper neg and find due to it's slower characteristics helps to deliver better tonality. Perhaps this could help? I will try this for myself and and see where it leads me. Thank again!

Very interesting

Also, Arista RA4 color paper processing kit is designed to work between 75 - 108 degrees F which may help resolve some of the grain issues. As you know, Kodak's chemistry is developed more for volume processing in machine processing, such as a Colenta processor and the aforementioned for tray. Curious what chemicals are you using?

It’s a cool proccess.

I wonder if the color temperature of the artificial light switched on in the lab affects (?). I'm interested for making prints out of slides, does this process have a name to search for? Thank you for the videos and sharing knowledge!

cool!

Great demonstration! Have you guys thought about using a blank color negative as a filter instead of the orange color filter you’re using?

The reticulation might be cause by the low temp. Color chemistry is design to work at around 90-100º F. If you want to keep developing @ ambient temp. add 5 grams of Potassium Hydroxide

@Joe_VanCleave

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@flutgraben13

4 жыл бұрын

Higher alkaline works faster, so it's like high temperature to keep grain fine. Would sodium hydroxide work as well?

Thanks

@Joe_VanCleave

11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks for sharing this process! What EI or ISO did Ethan use for strobe metering?

@gemista

3 жыл бұрын

The paper is usually around 16 ASA.

I guess this means we can start direct printing of color slides now (without internegatives)?! I have a bunch of Aerochrome slides that I will love to optically print.

That grainy pattern to me looks like light that goes through the paper and gives the print its texture. Paper negative to paper negative contact prints give the same results.

hi maybe u need to use a hotmirror filter in front of ur lense to cancel the redish color of ur gray shirt (and some other red effects). the fuji crystal paper is active to UW&IR light and the most textiles (and every surface) have reflection properties to IR and UW. (every digital camera has a hotmirror filter in front of the sensor to determinate the red colors beyond the human spectrum)

What about putting the corse colour filters over the strobes 🤔 use them outside for some interesting effects. I’ve used an orange flash with tungsten film subject in colour and the background a dramatic blue

I knew ra4 was the process. I just wondered what color develeper and blix you used. Thanks. Mark.

@Joe_VanCleave

4 жыл бұрын

I'll find out from Ethan and post a comment here.

@guillermoperezsantos

4 жыл бұрын

I guess you should use RA4 developer, and the blix can be any comercial blix; the formula is the same for all the color process C41 RA4 or ECN2

c est dingue une fois la lumiere allumer le negatif se transforme en positif ,

Good Lord, you're going to do DP Color in your Afghan camera kit? There's a challenge :D

@Joe_VanCleave

4 жыл бұрын

I think maintaining the temperature of the color developer and blix will be a big challenge; although those can be done in the light - so if it's too cool, you can develop by inspection. Perhaps best done in the summer months! And getting accurate colors is a challenge, we're still working on that part. In-camera filtration is necessary, to simulate the orange-like tint of a color film negative's base color. But I suspect the "white" light secondary flash exposure may need to also be color balanced. Simple gel filter should do, so it may not be that hard, but requires a lot of testing. I'm not sure about film speed of the paper. Ethan was using power packs in-studio. Again, those summer southwest US sunny days may be necessary.

What RA-4 developer is Ethan using? I can only seem to find it as part as a kit.

What ISO would the paper be?

I don’t know if you guys are still doing direct positive color prints but I’m wondering if you have experimented with doing direct positives using the “cell phone as a source in an enlarger” concept. Or perhaps reverse processing c41 film and direct positive printing from that? (Thought there being the c41 might have a beneficial orange mask). Just a suggestion that could be interesting to see.

@Joe_VanCleave

Жыл бұрын

The cell phone idea is interesting, the image would need an orange mask to get normal colors.

Somehow the first B&W developer seems to be key. In Europe we have no access to Dektol. What would be an alternative?

@Joe_VanCleave

4 жыл бұрын

llford MG paper developer or equivalent.

I'm both amazed and confused, so is it regular black and white negative paper? Is there a written blog about the process? Can you please explain further, I want to do this, please please please.

@Joe_VanCleave

4 жыл бұрын

It uses black and white developer and stop bath for the first two steps, processed in total darkness. This converts the already in-camera- exposed parts of the color emulsion layers to a negative B&W silver image. Then the paper is flashed with white light, to totally expose the remainder of the paper's emulsion - the part that didn't get exposed during the in-camera exposure. The paper is briefly rinsed to prevent stop bath from contaminating the color developer. Then the paper is processed in the color developer. This develops out the part of the emulsion layers flashed by white light - which is the opposite of the colors exposed in-camera and developed in B&W chemistry. Then the blix (bleach + fix), which bleaches out the initial silver gelatin negative image from the first step, and fixes the image, leaving a color positive image. I don't know of an online tutorial.

@alhbagioras

4 жыл бұрын

@@Joe_VanCleave so is it regular color negative paper?

@Joe_VanCleave

4 жыл бұрын

@@alhbagioras Yes, Fujicolor Crystal Archive paper, the kind minilab prints are made on. RA4 process (normally).

@alhbagioras

4 жыл бұрын

@@Joe_VanCleave wow I love it, please keep up the great work.

Quick question, where do I get those filters from?

@kevinhuang4163

3 жыл бұрын

FabianPrinz, did you found out what filters they are using? I'm not getting any replies

Hello :) I can't seem to get this answered, but does anyone know all the color correcting gels that were used for the final image? Really want to try this in the future and I know of 3 gel pack combo's used as demonstrated online. Sadly, the camera doesn't show all the gels used in this video. Thanks so much! Be well :)

@Joe_VanCleave

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think we entirely kept track during this session. I'll ask Ethan and see if he can remember. I know we put on a number of yellow gels. A large part of this is the fun of experimentation.

@kevinhuang4163

3 жыл бұрын

@@Joe_VanCleave Thank you so much Joe! I'm committed to get into this experimental process. Take care/be well!

Im sure you've already figured this out but that texture is mottling from being a lower quality paper. Its not as noticeable on glossy and non existent on higher end papers like Endura or Fuj type C

RA4 paper is so freaking cheap, only comparable with X-Ray Film, and I don't know why, but it's easier (at least where I live) to find RA4 Chemicals than C41 ones

for 4/5 back film--- use 127mm paper in a roll for a minilab machine, save money, fool

it's matte paper, fool use glossy