Thank you everyone who watched the premier and asked some great questions! Hope you learned a few things from Lake. I know I always do!

This is another keeper! Listening to the messenger. The links added are super plus! Going cheap on oil is formula for disaster. Thank so much!👍🙏🇺🇸

@MuscleCarSolutions

Жыл бұрын

Every conversation I’ve had with Lake over the years I’ve walked away smarter. Dude is an incredible wealth of knowledge.

What i heard lake say was he runs a .9 mm ring in his car that basically a 0.035 thousands thick rings . That is totally mind blowing ! Lake is a wealth of knowledge . i'v been building engines sense the mid 70's and stopped 20+ year ago i can't believe how things have changed .

@MuscleCarSolutions

Күн бұрын

@@lpete2766 yup. He works for Total Seal now and the ring technology that’s happened in the last ten years is amazing. Great advances. Very cool to see.

killer info on diesel oils. the thing with the surface finishes and rings blows my mind. wow

@MuscleCarSolutions

Жыл бұрын

He does an awesome job of explaining it all.

amazing video. glad to hear Lake get into some decent detail here. this man is phenomenal and thanks for getting him on. great editing and appreciate the segmentation with descriptions. thanks!!!

So glad you brought up Castrol Classic. I have been sceptical about running diesel oil not because I had any real information but I knew there had to be a better solution for flat tappet cams. I just recently did my first oil change using Castrol Classic but may be making the switch to Driven. Thanks! You have given me a lot to consider!

Thank you for this video !!! Great information!! Finally the diesel oil debate can be put to rest !

@MuscleCarSolutions

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! The chemistry says what it’s worth is in an engine that has different operating parameters.

Watched Total Seal videos with Mr.Lake.

Great show great information. Thanks guys

@MuscleCarSolutions

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Always learn some great information with Lake. So happy we were able to connect for this interview.

Missed it live, but WOW what an interview!!

@MuscleCarSolutions

Жыл бұрын

Tons of info! Lake is always an exciting guy to be around with his wealth of knowledge!

Thanks for the informative video. It is appreciated!

@MuscleCarSolutions

Жыл бұрын

Lots of great info here from Lake!

cant wait!

Good stuff! I'm done using diesel oils. Steel piston rings is pretty interesting, I'm rebuilding a 350 for my 4x4 truck. I'll have to look into this.

@MuscleCarSolutions

Жыл бұрын

Lots of great info in this interview. For sure I’ll be working with a shop that has knowledge for these modern surface finishes when building my next engine.

I switched out that waxy _Castrol GTX_ decades ago for Mobile 1. Great to know that I made the correct decision. Thanks Lake.

One of best talk. Just Great!

@MuscleCarSolutions

10 ай бұрын

Always enjoy listening to Lake. Incredibly smart.

Great guest! A lot of useful knowledge in the oil and lubrication space.

@MuscleCarSolutions

Ай бұрын

Go check out his channel. The Motor Oil Geek. Ridiculously good.

Much appreciated. This is a very informative video. I have known and understood why oil analysis is a good thing for over years and I will be doing one on my break in oil, something I never would have thought is worthwhile and now I do. I have been using Amsoil products since the 90's and they offer a warranty on their oil. If you put any sort of additive in the their product, that warranty is void. They have always said never use additives and Lake backs this up. If the oil is formulated for you usage, additives will only hurt the oil. Lake Speed Jr. is very knowledgeable. Thanks to him and to you for this interview.

@MuscleCarSolutions

Жыл бұрын

We’ve wanted to have Lake on the channel for some time now. Glad he had the opportunity to answer a few questions. Very knowledgeable guy.

Speaking of the Army oil analysis program, when I was stationed in West Germany, all our deuce & a half trucks "failed their piss test". The oil analysis showed, that they needed depot maintenance. Turned out, when the samples were taken, it was one of the coldest days of an unusually cold Winter, in the 1980's. The soldier tasked with taking the samples from the dozen or so trucks, took all the samples from a single truck, so they could get out of the cold quickly, & that truck happened to be the one with a problem! The soldier caught Hell, & we all got a laugh.

Intriguing, so the Diesel oils with the API CK-4/SN would be the diesel oil to stray from as the "SN" rating reduces the ZDDP or zinc in the diesel oil up to 50%, so you would get instead a CK-4 API rating only then? or just get the conventional castrol classic? Seems like a broad question that can't be answered with a simple yes or no, many things to consider.

It's always good to hear what Lake has to say. Too many "experts" out there and too few you can trust. Thanks for sharing. Are there any assembly lubes or coatings one could use to attenuate the flat tappet problem?

@MuscleCarSolutions

Жыл бұрын

Assembly lube is just part of the issue. I did a video at the first of the year on flat tappet failures and how to prevent them. Also did a video on assembly lubes and the Driven gel that Lake developed is in that test. Both videos might give you some direction.

@fascistpedant758

Жыл бұрын

@@MuscleCarSolutions Thanks.

Nice interview, good information. Let's see if KasserL weighs in. Seems there is still much to learn/discuss regarding oils. Part 2 ?

I wish I would have listened to this before I added HR5 oil after cam break in. I am now draining good oil out to add BR 40 back for another 400 miles.

Very interesting! Now I understand a bit better the “low tension” piston rings that manufacturers started using in the 2000’s. I’m curious if machine shops and engine rebuilders nowadays use this type of honing technology. I’m also curious about if you refreshed an engine that’s not a big power race type engine, like say the B20 in my 1999 Honda CR-V could you use this honing and new pistons with these rings (presuming you could bore out the block without sleeving it).

Good info thanks. Im still wondering, what is the best oil with zddp to use on a stock 79 trans am 403 engine, that has catolitic converters?

@MuscleCarSolutions

Жыл бұрын

Call Driven and ask.

@DSIRestorations

Жыл бұрын

@MuscleCarSolutions okay thanks i will.

@MuscleCarSolutions

Жыл бұрын

@@DSIRestorations might as well get it right from the source. Let us know what they suggest.

@DSIRestorations

11 ай бұрын

@MuscleCarSolutions I contacted , first whom i thought was Driven, but turned out to be a friend of Lake Speed junior. A gentleman by the name of Jud. He worls with LN Engineering. He was not to familiar with Older GM's, but he did explain a lot about the oils. Actually, his recommendation was for HR2 or GP1. Then, when i got through to Fred Cook at Driven, he recommended the same oils. We then spoke about the issues with the catalitic converters. He said that the ZDDP, under normal conditions with the engine running efficiently, should not hurt the catalitic converters. I have to thank you again for your videos and recommendation to call Driven. I've learnt so much.

@MuscleCarSolutions

11 ай бұрын

Good deal! Glad you were able to speak to them and get the answers you needed.

What about the oil differences

I have used rotella for 50 years and why do I get 250,000 miles plus out of my engines without any engine problems . I trust what you are saying but I have different results .

@MuscleCarSolutions

Жыл бұрын

On what engines?

@darwinfoster7420

Жыл бұрын

@@MuscleCarSolutions 273 dodge 318 plymouth and in my 99 5.9 dodge ram. My 69 plymouth has 300,000 on it and has never been apart . I also run 15/40rotella in my race engines that turn 7500 rpm on the dirt tracks . Have sent in oil samples to northern oil here locally and they find nothing wrong with the samples .

Thanks for notifying me that the video was posted, and thanks for asking the questions. I'd like to belatedly offer my response. First of all, it sounds like there were others besides me who responded negatively to his article in HRM, but he kind of lumps us all together in his response with snide comment about Rotella lovers. I'm pretty sure he read my comment on your previous video, his comment about the anti-foam additive is a giveaway; but he didn't want to address me specifically and kept his comments here quite generic. So, let me respond directly to his comments, no beating around the bush. His comment about “fans of diesel oil”, and people that are “semi-educated, or higher level educated”, but haven't gone to the same level of formulation and testing detail that he has, could “mis-under-stand” what he was saying. Give me a break, how patronizing! Maybe all the compliments you gave about him to begin with went to his head. Don't patronize me Jr! I didn't have a problem understanding what he was saying, I understood him just fine! As I commented before, he was flat out wrong, period. Everything he wrote in that article was wrong, and his comments here kind of piss me off. Not a great way to start off a conversation IMO. But then he gets defensive about it, and says he's just trying to say what's “best”. Really? Best according to whom? Why to him, of course! Let's go back, the HRM article wasn't about what was best, it was about why you should not use diesel motor oil in a gasoline engine. Right? He didn't offer up any suggestions about the “best” oil to use, he just said why you shouldn't use diesel motor oil. And he gave some reasons why not, and as I pointed out, all those reasons were WRONG! That's what I was addressing in my comments, and he never does own up to being wrong about it. He just sticks to his guns. I'm disappointed. The damage he's done in his article and the line he's sticking with here can't be overstated. As an example, let me quote a post in an online forum where this topic was being discussed, and a couple of guys influenced by the HRM article and by this video had voiced their interpretations of it. Then another guy had this to say: “I for one, am just a regular guy with flat tappet engines that just wants to use an engine oil that won't kill it or be harmful. I don't race, I just drive around town and yet some of your posts come across as terrifying for guys like me. So, as I read through the maze of comments, some helpful, some not, I sit more confused as to what oil is acceptable for the masses of us regular people. You want me to Buy Brad Penn? VR1? Really, so we buy our oil from Summit or Jegs now instead of down at Napa? … So 10W-30 Rotella T4 is no longer an acceptable oil? Signed, concerned citizen.” The number of car owners that match this up to this guy are the vast majority of classic car and hot rod owners, and LSJr here does all of these people a huge disservice. Car owners like this guy have been getting mixed messages (most of them wrong) for years since the API passenger car service classifications began requiring reduced zinc levels in licensed PCMO oils; corresponding with a huge increase in the number of stories about failed flat tappet cams. These guys just want to be able to go down to the local Napa, or O-Reilly's or Auto Zone, etc auto parts store and pickup some oil for their car. They don't race, they mostly drive their car maybe to work on Fridays when the weather is nice, or to the local cruise night or the annual car show they never miss. They just want an oil that's not going to cause failure of the cam. Then this jack-ass know-it-all comes along and tells them that diesel motor oil is going to destroy their engine (or that's how they interpret it), and when challenged on it, instead of clarifying himself, owning up to the mistakes in how he worded his article and apologizing for causing confusion, he just shifts his story and says “it's not THE BEST”. Come on man, that's weak. And wtf is “The BEST” anyway? Best at what? Best measured in what way? This is all so subjective, spoken as if it were objective facts. Sorry, I'm just pissed off. I am no longer a fan of SRJr. Not that I really ever was, but I didn't dislike him, or disrespect him. I have very little respect for him now.

@MuscleCarSolutions

Жыл бұрын

You typed out all that but said exactly nothing. Unless you can specifically point out where he was wrong, your rant was just that. Just rambling and no details. I approved this post as YT flagged it for inappropriate language. If you’d like to add any actual statements of specifically that he got wrong, I’d be happy to reach out to see if he wants to respond. I’d kindly ask you drop the four letter words. He was pretty clear in standing by what he said in his article. I’ll take his guidance on oils and what to use and what isn’t the best choice 100% of the time. He’s earned that with decades of dyno time and formulating oil blends for Driven, and now his time with Total Seal and the continuing work he’s doing with high level engine builders across the country and the world.

@hasserl

Жыл бұрын

@@MuscleCarSolutions what I said was that Speed merely changed his position when challenged on what he posted in his article in HRM. Nothing he says in this video vindicates him of the mistakes he made there. This is just an example of "moving the goal posts"; when he's been called out on his mistakes, instead of owning up to his mistakes, and offering a mea culpa, apologizing for adding confusion to a controversial subject, he just shifts his position. Now it's all about "doing the best". He blew a good opportunity to make good, and only dug himself in worse. Note that in my comment back on your other video, I stated that IMO diesel engine oils remained a viable alternative for owners of classic American V8 engines who just wanted an oil that would protect their engines. I never made a claim of it being "the best", just that it is a viable option. Now, at about 1:06:50 Speed says "some people want to geek out on the chemistry, that's great" (a dig at me and others who challenged him?) "but most people just want to buy something they can pour in their engine, and know their engine is protected." Excuse me, isn't that my point? On this we are actually in agreement. And at 58:30 he says "you can put a diesel engine oil in a flat tappet engine, and it will run, it will work". So now is he agreeing with me, diesel oil is a viable option, or is it not? You can understand my confusion on where he stands, right? Imagine the guy that's not a lubricants specialist, what is he supposed to think? The guy like the one I described in my comment above. Can he go down to his local store and buy a good CK-4 diesel engine oil and know that his engine is protected, or can't he? Just where does Speed actually stand there? Was his comment at 1:06:50 just a cheap shot? Or does he agree, people want a simple answer, yes or no? As far as all the geek talk about zddp "reacting" and the time/engine speed relationship, and dispersants inhibiting this reaction, does he have any source to back all this up? Or is this all just his subjective understanding? SAE papers on the subject would be great. I assume he does know, but doesn't explain here, is that zddp doesn't even come into play in normal operation, it only comes into play during periods of "boundary lubrication" conditions. In normal operating conditions the moving parts, like a cam/tappet interface, or a piston ring and liner, etc, are separated by a hydrodynamic wedge, or film of oil, and when the lobe of the cam reaches the highest point of lift that changes to an elasto-hydrodynamic regime (you can google those terms), which lifts the parts and prevents them from making contact. And it is only during periods where the hydrodynamic film is weakened (i.e. during periods of start up for instance) or the force of the load applied is sufficient to break through the oil film, that contact occurs and wear happens. So when he states that the zddp film is constantly being removed and reformed, that is kind of a misnomer. Yes the tribo film is removed in use, and replaced, that is the point of it being there, it is a self sacrificial film; but this is not a constant action. I saw one person who took that to imply that it is only the zddp keeping the parts separated, and this happens with every cycle. That isn't accurate. Just another example of where Speed says things that mislead lay people/non-lubricant specialists. If the cam/lifter interface is going into boundary lubrication conditions constantly, you've got the wrong viscosity of oil. Still, I'd really like to see an SAE paper, or even an unpublished research paper, backing up these claims that there is insufficient time for the zddp in a diesel engine formulation (which diesel engine oil BTW, all of them, or just some?) to react and form a tribo-film on the critical wear points in a gasoline engine, due to a higher rpm range; and that dispersants inhibit this reaction. That would be great.