Diesel Locomotive Repair and Startup - 1949 EMD F7A - Topper Machine
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With over 20 years' experience with EMD locomotives, I get a lot of calls for help. This particular locomotive holds a special place in my heart, as it was the second unit I ever worked on.
Having been out of service for 3 years with a bad main generator bearing, we finally got the other contractors together to get the job done. Having sat that long, problems were expected. Nothing I couldn't handle, worst part is waiting for parts.
Topper Machine LLC is an entirely manual machine shop located in Spooner, WI. Our videos will highlight some of our shop work as well as the sawmill we built in the shop and our A.D. Baker steam engine, and others we work on.
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Crazy how this design doesn't age. Doesn't look modern but not dated either.
@richardorchard3364
Жыл бұрын
I have worked on the Australian version of the SD 40 and they still make the same noises.
@bkdexter79
Жыл бұрын
It's a handsome locomotive for sure!
@Tchristman100
Жыл бұрын
The 710 series is relatively the same just bigger inside, electronic controls, turbo blowers. EMD (now Caterpillar owned) are still quite popular world wide and popular in marine engines.
@adamchancellor9011
Жыл бұрын
Hm be sweet good ide and to put the engine into day and night excursion service
@tonywestvirginia
Жыл бұрын
Roller rocker 1949!
What an endorsement to the men and women who designed, manufactured, and maintained a machine that, over 72 years, has logged millions of miles of duty and continues to operate as intended. With regular maintenance and care, this machine could last another 72 years or more. If anyone needs a reminder of what made America great, you are looking at it. Thanks to Topper Machine LLC for keeping these operational.
I think this is the best looking locomotive ever designed & manufactured.
@jimmyz2098
4 ай бұрын
Agree. I love these old work-horses. An amazing piece of America.
@phearns2147
3 ай бұрын
I grew up watching and hearing NY NH&H, Penn central and Conrail f units, I lived 1/4 mile from the north east main. When I dream of trains and it's not steam it's an emd.
@mongolikechewchew2475
3 ай бұрын
I don't know much about trains, locomotives, etc, but I saw the movie "Silver Streak" with Pryor & Wilder in the 80's, and that was the locomotive used.
Very nice to see the old Locomotive restored
People throw around the word "awesome" WAY too much. A diesel-electric locomotive is absolutely AWESOME.
In my 51+ year railroad career I have never seen a F7 set up with a bench seat set up for the 'fireman' and head end brakeman.
@TopperMachineLLC
Жыл бұрын
Set up for cab riders. Modern times there are no fireman or brakeman. Just an ornery conductor who doesn't share his seat. Bench works good for napping also.
The 423 was the host for my first cab ride! As a kid in the 70's I rode my bike to the Des Plaines (IL) Coach Yard on a Friday evening to watch the guys gather up the commuter F7's to bring to Proviso for fuel and use for weekend freight duty. One of the guys recognized me and asked if I wanted to ride to Proviso. It was a great experience for a 14 year old! We took the crew van back to Des Plaines after dropping the half-dozen F7's at Proviso and I was home before the street lights came on. This was renumbered to 423 by the CNW sometime before the early 1970's, probably when it was converted to commuter service.
@renegadetenor
Жыл бұрын
Those were days...
@teverrisbrown6366
10 ай бұрын
I used to live in Bellwood and I used watch switch operations by the yard off of Manheim Rd. Anything that had a diesel engine in it,I was there. My Grandfather worked for Yellow freight right around the corner.
I have run GP-7Rs, an FP-7A, and an E-8A on the old KLS&C. I loved that EMD 567BC engine that was in KLS&C 85. Tough and reliable!
VERY impressive! You teased that horn till the end,.
Excellent. I like the sound of " Full Manual Control " in this age of way too much automation. Master Level HVACR Tech, 34 years experience. Star
WE MUST CONTINUE TO SAVE OUR HISTORY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO LOVE, ENJOY, AND APPRECIATE.
Got old square hatches. I used to work at CEECO in Tacoma. We were doing 20 cylinder 645 models at the time for Morrison-Knutson line with a contract for 40(?) engines. Turned out 1 a week.
Bet this locomotive has seen some interesting things in its history.
I've always called those locomotives snoopy trains, haha. Love them
Best sounding Detroit I’ve ever heard
Fs, the best looking locomotive ever made.
Good morning to all from SE Louisiana 17 Nov 22.
I can remember riding in Q E models when young too
As someone who was born and raised in New Jersey and a railfan, I do remember seeing this unit in New Jersey in it's original colors.
I'm 80 years old. Have had fascination for Trains all my life. Traveled to every Trolley Museum and Train Museum just to experience these great units. I lived in Uptown NYC and watched the Trolleys in 1940's and the electric change over to Busses. Thanks. peter
An emds 16 cylinder engine has a beautiful sound
I am 72 years old and come from Holland, the capital Haarlem, what my ancestors in your country called Harlem....I drove a truck around 1986 with Detroit diesel 2-stroke (FTF : nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floor_Truck_Fabriek ), unfortunately these engines are almost non-existent in our country (except perhaps at our Railways, an old locomotive). Nothing beats the sound of a 2-stroke diesel, I wish my Renault with 1.5 DCI-82 hp (commonrail turbodiesel) had a 2-stroke diesel (There is a story going around that Renault is working on a 0.7 liter 2-stroke diesel for Hybrid cars, so purely to charge the batteries).... that's why I watch (and especially listen) to movies from the US of locomotives and trucks. thank you very much for this fascinating video.
Nothing like a 2 Stroke Detroit Diesel!
Is a great thing to keep historical Machine alive so the new generation can appreciate the great things from the past.. God bless You
@TopperMachineLLC
Жыл бұрын
I don't do it just for the future generations to enjoy. I do it mostly because the new modern garbage will be broken down, and these reliable dinosaurs will always be saving the day. I was actually involved in a working a deal with a Class 1 Railroad to lease older units to them when none of their modern stuff would run. The future is not in modern equipment, but old reliable equipment.
"More powerful than a speeding locomotive." Beautiful.
Working on the river I've really gotten to love the sound of emds
I like these old ones. Sounds and look the same as the Norwegian Di3 locos.
Thanks for keeping this beautiful old girl up and running.
Reminds me of when I was a Great Northern switchman in 1959 at Interbay Yard in Seattle. Sure is good to see the old GN colors.
IMO that locomotive has the best styling of anything that has run on rails.
Great Northern, Northern Pacific where my flags of interest. Thank you for sharing!
I could listen to an EMD run all day long
My uncle and Dad worked at C&NW - was nice to see this and it reminded me of the time I got to ride in the cab in the west freight yard Milwaukee - And I spent a lot of time at the Milwaukee passenger depot in downtown - I still have a picture that is actually an oil painting that has been passed on through the family - it hung in the depot - that depot no longer exists - way back in the day now - Thanks for sharing
Great and good work. Regards from Poland 🇵🇱.
What a great paint scheme on the old girl👍
600V at 800A = 480kW. WOW. And it just starts to push through the brakes. Closing in on 75 years old and still running. Awesome.
@pootispiker2866
7 ай бұрын
480kw? Not even close. These machines regularly operated at over a megawatt continuously. They were built to run wide open at single digit speeds all day. The main generators are constant kilowatt, not a constant voltage or current type, so referencing either doesn't give you a real figure since these might run as low as 100 volts or as high as 900 depending on conditions.
EMD F7 such beautiful locomotive! 😎 Greetings from Germany! 👍
Thanks for the tour of all the magic that exists under that body shell.
I was just waiting for you to blow the horn! Music to my ears!
What a beauty!
Shes a Beautyful Time Machine ready for action.
My Father worked at Pullman in Chicago during WWII. He had flat feet so he was 4F for the military. So he went to work at Pullman building their railway cars. He learned the electrical trade while he worked there and after the war he left to work in commercial electrical services.
Great video!! Always wanted to see inside one of those locomotives!
I am a merchant Mariner & have worked with the EMD 645s & 710s offshore in the oil fields & towboats on the rivers for the last 26 years after the Navy.
Spooner, WI. It’s a tourist museum. I’ve passed this place hundreds of times and I’ve seen this very locomotive every time.
@TopperMachineLLC
2 ай бұрын
Not a museum. It's a class III railroad. Museums acquired equipment to rot away, railroads put it to work.
@NashRailfan
2 ай бұрын
@@TopperMachineLLC that is very true, last time I checked a website I was using, it had this as a tourist museum smh. Thanks for clarification, and btw, you should convince them to get and repaint a Missabe engine 😂 there isn’t many of them left, and I’d love to see one running in tip top condition lol
I havent seen anybody work on an f 7 not seen the work was very nice to see
I have never worked on an American locomotive. But you did exactly the same sort of things I do on the preserved diesel locomotives I look after here in the UK. Very interesting
J'ai travailler 18 ans aux Ateliers du Canadien National à Pointes-St-Charles Montréal Québec Canada . Au titre d'apprentis Machiste , à machiniste et appelation plus tard de Mécanicien de machinerie lourde . Ça reste gravé en nous le ferroviaire !!!
Locomotives repair is the rocket science of the industry.
When I was a kid,CN&W was using these engines primarily for passenger service until RTA then Metra got ahold of them. When they powered up after dropping passengers of at a stop by my house,it used to scare the hell outta me 😂😂😂
It is neat to see someone working on diesel locos as opposed to all the steam loco videos. I don't exactly get all the nostalgia for steam. It was fantastic technology for the time, but a huge amount of labor to start up, operate, and maintain. Imagine spending 6 to 8 hours to get a large steam loco fired and ready to go. You did that with the diesel in a few minutes.
What was great about a covered wagon in the old days was that up north you could service them and go through the locomotives without having to deal with snow and ice on walkways and jamming the doors like on a hood unit.
Been some time since I've seen and heard that locomotive run. I miss volunteering up there on the WGN RR.
My earliest memory of a locomotive is this one. Great Northern at the old depot in Grand Forks, N. Dak. Back in the 1950s. My mother, two oldest sisters and I rode it somewhere, Minnesota? Minot ND? I remember it was Great Northern orange not Northern Pacific green. No photos.
I was a journeyman locomotive electrician decades ago (running repair and depot back shop) and will never forget the joys of inspecting the main generator brushes and brush holders. The lower (6 o’clock) brushes would often be “pencil whipped “ during routine inspection by previous electricians and checked ok without actually inspecting the brushes. The brushes would eventually wear too short and cause arcing between the brush holder and the commutator. Little problem becomes major problem very quickly.
@TopperMachineLLC
Жыл бұрын
I had a ground relay go bad , bad coil, wouldn't trip. I was pulling a heavy cut and flashed the generator. Like a shotgun going off in the cab, then it filled with smoke. What an experience that was. Had a traction motor that failed, and never new it due to the GR being bad. Had to stone and undercut the commutator on the main gen, and then start searching for the ground. One armature winding on the #1 TM, had to move the locomotive a little at a time and MEG it until I finally found it. I've seen some weird stuff over the years.
@joehead1294
Жыл бұрын
So, that "pencil whipping" is not unique to air force aircraft? Well, always carry a pencil! 😁
@BryanTorok
Жыл бұрын
@@joehead1294 It is way too common in all lines of work.
@TwistedOwen
Жыл бұрын
This happens on forklifts all the time
@tiggy2756
Жыл бұрын
@@TopperMachineLLC Had ground fault on class 47 in uk , ground relay didn't detect it due to it been Neg ground on traction motor cable . I had it on load bank for unrelated low power fault , soon as you got 500 amps ground relay tripped while connected to load bank , foreman do whatever you can to get power readings . Screwdriver in relay worked (couldn't trip now) got to about 3000 amps massive bang loco jumped , fire in engine room Ground relay vaporise ,fortunately not much damage to Loco . We found cause of earth fault , looked on wiring schematic , the Neg fault turned into pos ground when connected to load bank (TM links out) we reckoned full traction power went through ground relay coil !
Great video. Thank you for sharing. Syracuse NY
As an electronics tech, I greatly appreciate FINALLY seeing what's inside those 'Danger: 600 Volts' cabinets! 🙂
That last few seconds showing the governor feather the ley shaft when coming back down was pretty cool. Don't think i've ever seen that on video before.
I love that air horn, as all train buff should.
I used to ride GMD B12 model locomotives here in Bangladesh, from 1953-1956 period, as exports to Pakistan by US. They were made in London, Ontario. That model has most of the features of this F7 model, with a 8 cylinder EMD567.
Thank you! I've always wondered what it looked like in the motor compartment of that model of locomotive.👍👍👍👍
Good old American iron 🥰🥰🥰...
I’m glad to see #423 is still alive and kicking! I used to see her all the time in Chicago commuter operations. I sure do miss those units.
You can see the high quality design and engineering in this engine, it's no surprise to see it still in service at 70+ years of age. If things were made to this high quality today, the environment would benefit greatly and so would people.
@nzrailmaps
Жыл бұрын
The 567B was not a particularly good engine when they were first made. EMD offered conversion upgrades to 567BC spec to fix the issues with them, provided this one has been upgraded to that standard it will remain in good condition. The modifications and upgrades to fix issues are what makes it good.
@americarsqueensland1667
Жыл бұрын
@@nzrailmaps very few companies would do that today unless they were seriously compelled to do so.
Even we in Austria, Europe, know that the old EMD locos are the best ever built. We had 18 Diesellocomotives Series 2050 with EMD V12 engines. They were 50 years in service and some of them are Museumslocos in fine running condition.
@erik_dk842
Жыл бұрын
Some of the Danish MY V16 and MX V12, which look very much like double ended F7's, are still in use by private operators. Norway and Hungary also had them. I love the sound of them
Excellent tour. Thanks.
LOVE IT My Favorite Locomotive of all time Cheers from Calgary
not going to lie, but I would love to see more train repairs as I am a massive train nut hah. If you ever do another restoration make sure it's a series! Keep up the great work :)
@TopperMachineLLC
Жыл бұрын
Usually when I go work on them, it's a rush to get done. But I am working on one with a video. Might be a while yet, as the railroad it is trapped on has been less than helpful. I will explain in that video, but may be a while yet.
@lukesdepotdays8432
Жыл бұрын
I’m also a train nut!
@LT-dy7yc
6 ай бұрын
@@TopperMachineLLC hey man just wondering what do you do for living
I can smell the sweet/sour tang of heavy machinery. Good times.
I worked on the EMD 12 & 16 567's in the navy. The 12's on LST's and the 16 567 was the emergency generator on the USS Camden AOE 2. Also went to GM Diesel C School at Great Lakes in 1977. Worked on an EMD switch engine for moving coal cars at a power plant after the navy. Also worked on 16V149TI driving generators on FFG's in the eighties. Retire in 1994. Great to see the old engines still in service. Good video.
I've run a GP 9 and a 38. I miss that EMD sound.
Wonderful vid. Love the sound of those 567s
@isfeldt34
Жыл бұрын
They just have such a unique sound.
I remember those B heads leaking water into the top decks . I would pull the heads ,couldn’t use a crane under those roofs , after heads were out I had to check out head seals and engine block for pitting to fix water leaking into oil thus ruining engine bearings. Sometimes blocks were pitted so bad we would clean block and use a liquid steel to fill pits then sand block to get good fit . A lot of work. Tom
@nzrailmaps
Жыл бұрын
Is this original B or modified BC engine? I was told the B engines leaked at lot and that's why EMD issued the conversion kit to turn them into BC series.
I have a cabin out in Wisconsin about 30 minutes away from this tourist railroad. Its the Wisconsin Great Northern Railroad. They offer a variety of train rides and do freight operations on their ex CNW tracks. Ive been riding their trains since I was very young and I had my first cab ride in their switcher locomotive.
Great fun! Thanks for taking us with you. Be well, be safe!
What a nice big piece of machinery.. never seen the inside of a locomotive... very cool..
Oh man, thank you for keeping these old ladies alive, I miss seeing the VIA RAIL FP9's up here, and here you are fixing up its older cousin from across the lakes.
I love the looks and sounds of those old locomotives. A piece of history that could have easily been passed by
Great yo see EMD run I welded counter weights on 645 and 710 crankshafts for these motors
My town has two of these F7As and an F7B for passenger service. Royal Gorge Railroad it's called. Never been on one of the trains but it's on my to-do list.
It's nice to see an engine that survived the early days of NJT and made it out in good enough condition to still be running!
@TopperMachineLLC
Жыл бұрын
All first and second generation EMDs are fixable. Just depends how much money you want to put in them. I honestly would not be afraid to tackle the one left in a park out there.
@PowerTrain611
Жыл бұрын
@@TopperMachineLLC Old EMD's will live forever if you take decent care of them. You can beat them half to death and they'll still pull a train. Heard a story once about a Shortline that ran a 30-some odd car loaded coal train with a GP40-2 with 2 functional traction motors on a 1.3% uphill grade, and I believe it.
@TopperMachineLLC
Жыл бұрын
@@PowerTrain611 generator don't care how many motors work. As long as the engineer is competent and keeps an eye on his amperage. You can over power a motor. Most all GP and SD have motor cutouts. I've cut out motors in an emergency and pulled heavy cuts. Just need to be cautious.
@PowerTrain611
Жыл бұрын
@@TopperMachineLLC Head on a swivel and wits about you is the name of the game with railroadin'!
What a gorgeous looking locomotive. As a kid in Britain, of course I loved model steam locos... but i always had a longing for this model.
Music to my ears.
My favorite locomotive!
THANK YOU SO MUCH. A TOTALLY AWSOME VIDEO AND EDUCATION. THANKS FOR SHARING.
Interesting video, be great to hear the V16 in action
In the UK there ate still class 37s doing work. They arrived in 1960! Same look as these locos.
Pretty impressive......3 valves per cylinder, overhead cam and roller rockers......no wonder they run forever.
Old paint scheme was so badass. Wish it still looked that way.
12:18 Old cast P5! Nice!
PLEASE , MORE CONTENT ON THE LOCOMOTIVES !!!!!!!!!!
What a wonderful machine. The supercharged 567 engine had the best sound of them all. (Well, perhaps tied with Alco.) In the 50s and 60s I used to hear long freights pull out of a yard about two miles from my parent's house, late at night, and struggle for miles to get up to speed. They'd usually go through transition about in the same place, half a mile from my bedroom. What a sound.
Worked on hood units for years. If you ever have a problem starting, crazy as it sounds, pull the 200 amp fuse, band it in the cabinet, turn over and do it again. Put it in and it may start. Worked for me more than once
@TopperMachineLLC
Жыл бұрын
Yes, more than once. But only if I don't have a new one handy.
Thanks
I love the truck bench seat for the conductor.
Was there ever a better looking locomotive than an EMD F7
When an engine is so big, that you pop the lid, and a mechanical orchestra is playing inside, or on a ship is so big, it has a 2-story staircase.
The 567 Prime mover doesn't have turbo chargers. They're equiped with Root Blowers .
@TopperMachineLLC
Жыл бұрын
That is not true, many 567s were turbo charged units. Mostly in GP30 and GP35 Locomotives and in marine and power generation service. I explained the roots blowers as "Basically a supercharger" as to make it easier for nonrailroaders and railfans to understand.
I have always loved the look of these locomotives. I remember sitting at rail crossings with my dad in the early 60s seeing one go by on the Milwaukee Road tracks.
Nothing sounds like those old engines and gen sets revving up and down!!