Hello I'm from Brazil. It's unthinkable to imagine someone here burning a diesel heater. But due to the high price of electricity here, I bought one for testing. My city is very cold in winter. (Curitiba -PR) And now in the summer, I'm using it to feed a clothes dryer with hot air. And I'm absolutely loving it! We are the first country to use fuel alcohol for vehicles on a large scale, from the 80's until today. So this video will be interesting!

@VonBugle

Жыл бұрын

Do you have any pictures of your clothes drying setup?

@MrMadenuff

Жыл бұрын

Good idea for a clothes dryer

i hope you show us the burn from the inside in future fuel tests, seeing the color of the flame and how clean it burns is great info

BTW, ethanol fuel will be very expensive in the UK since they do not produce a lot of corn there. In the USA it is next to impossible to find gasoline without ethanol added. They have a massive production system for ethanol that they add to gasoline. If your quite savvy you can make your own corn squeezin's and use it for personal drinking or adding to your ride. Corn squeezin's is also known as Moonshine. Ya don't need no fuckin heater when you consume the squeezin's, it'll keep ya quite warm in the winter!

Love the commentary esp the conclusion, your response to the critics had me in stitches. Top man, great info.

I installed a diesel heater on an electric car in Japan. Your wonderful information was very useful. Attempts to use bioethanol are great in the future! I support you from afar!

Excellent video buddy ! Love the stove glass view, they should incorporate that in the design ( ie, one inch peephole) would be cool and a great way to see what's going on. Cheers!

You are giving me confidence. Thanks!

I have learned a lot from your videos, thankyou.

Loving the stove glass great way to see how clean ir burns.👍

Great content man , Brutally honest ... Bravo !

Hey, Awesome ‘pushing the envelope’, ... meaning you go so “far beyond the thinking box💡” You are a “master tinker” 🤔with these heaters🔥. i have learned soo much🤓 from your videos. 👍🏻👍🏻 just bought a 8kw metal heater to set up in an older 25’ Fifth Wheel trailer. i can’t wait to set it up. Slow 🚢⛵️🛳 from Chine 😅😂🤣🥲

Bio ethanol looks like a good way to purge a sooty burner. Better than a grubby de coke operation. Definitely the must have heater for a post apocalyptic nuclear winter scenario !

Probably a good idea to get the burning chamber clean without having to open it. Also, glad to see it running upside down. I can imagine that a hole is for suck fresh air to cool down the candle by wiring side

I believe the small hole is for initial start up Combustion. For when the inner impeller is at low speeds. And glow plug is hot . This is why it is important to use a air filter. If u block that small hole it my not start aka bug / dirt /dust

Great video Billy :-)

So, I couldn't help myself and decided to see what my 2Kw Webasto airtop petrol burner would run on....other than petrol. So far it will run on Meths, White spirit and Diesel. Wasn't much heat output on meths...but White spirits was perfect. Started straight up from cold with a little puff of light smoke and with in seconds it was clear, gave really good heat output. I let it cool off for an hour and tried it again with diesel. Works as good or better than the white spirit or petrol! Started on the second try and ran clear for 20mins. All fuels ran with constant sustained ignition... no woosh woosh noises. Gave a bit of smoke on shut down on the diesel. All in all. It would seem the petrol / benzin version of the airtop will run on anything!

thanks for showing the internal combustion of the burner chamber.

As pointed out by John mck47, that hole is important WHEN THE HEATER IS COLD AND IN START UP PHASE. The glow plug needs air to run across the mesh atomizer only during startup, and the 'fire' is beginning in the mesh/glow plug area. After the heat spreads to the rest of the chamber, the location of the fire can be moved slightly down and away from the glow plug, where the fan draws intake air from the other intake holes. But during startup, the vacuum draws enough air in from the single glow plug/mesh hole to get the process started.

@DavidMcLuckie

4 жыл бұрын

Well I've blocked the hole on my 8kw to see what happens. Will give it some runs and start stops and the take it apart. So far it's lit with the hole blocked. I should say that I'll be running it upside down as well.

love it at the end :-)

Best Brit voice ever. ,,bloody Right. small curses will be ignored by, ,,your Church. Happy,, Holidays,,and Knew Year You'All.

Brilliant video thank you 😎👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

Good to hear it'll run on Ethanol. I have basically access to an endless supply of Ethanol for 10 cent per litre which has some water inpurity (25-30%) in it which during covid times was used as desinfection and now is overstock. My E85 car works as well on it only doesn't start cold. It needs a squirt of brake cleaner to fire up and then it works

@ScottyCrawford

Жыл бұрын

Could you enlighten us a bit, like how you found it, or your country of residence, to help us try to do the same, please?

@no-damn-alias

Жыл бұрын

@@ScottyCrawford well a big box store bought it in 2020 and sold 5l canisters of it for 20€. Later they reduced it to 10€, then to 5€ to 1€ and finally the lowered the price to 50 cents per 5l. They still can't sell it so I regularly buy bigger amounts in cash of course and use it as fuel. Of course I won't give away were or which store as it already went out of their listing because then my fuel supply will quickly dry up.

Classic 😂 Best video yet - Fuck Em...!!!!!! Good work man, ATB, Steve

I've seen paraffin flame 🔥 it's a nice flame colour 🔥 & looks quiet effective on heat output

"Please.. fuck up!" 😂❤️ Love your work 👍

I'm enjoying you no nonsense videos. Very informative and instructional. Will you post a link to the 50A power supply please.?

@DavidMcLuckie

3 жыл бұрын

I just searched eBay for 12V 50A power supply. Like this one - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-12V-LED-Driver-Switching-Power-Supply-Transformer-for-LED-Strip-CCTV-UK-STOCK/264759172436?hash=item3da4e05d54:g:d9EAAOSwrlRZ0agJ

cheers Dave.

I have found that if the vent is plugged the heater struggles to start and causes screen around glow pin to get caked up and plug. Worked at a trucking company that had airtronics heaters in them. Drivers would bring them in for not turning on. Techs would find screen plugged and replace the screen but no one really noticed the vent hole and would just replace the screen. Truck would be back in few weeks for same issue. But if you cleaned the vent hole and replace screen truck wouldnt return. They added it to there in house troubleshooting steps.

I've switched to shell vpower and splash of booster. Been looking to order smaller pump aswell. Got a vevor webesto knock off

Brilliant 😎👍😀

The small hole is an air intake for the initial start up phase of the heater.

can you please try a "non fossil mix" consisting of ethanol and veggie oil? thanks for all the interesting vids!

I just watched a video from Australia where the guy used 75% veg to 25% Shellite. It worked from what he showed, and I think the Shellite is 0 rated so volatile I think. I'm a newby so I will keep watching your video's. Please don't blow yourself up David!

Now tell us how you feel lol . Just on the orientation of the heater had a 2kw running on its side after about 250/300 hours it carbon up big time , cleaned it out same thing . Tried it on a 5kw got about 500 hours back to the carbon. Love your work . Btw it is still 30c at 7pm here in far North Queensland Australia. Cheers

@DavidMcLuckie

4 жыл бұрын

That's still a fair few hours. Do you run them for long periods at a time?

@randomoldbloke

4 жыл бұрын

David McLuckie probably runs of 20 to 50 hours on idle to full noise . cannot handle the cold anything under 20c and I am grabbing jumpers and blankets . Think I have been in the tropics to long lol

🤣😂🤭 Please do the ..worvastro widiow next 😍👍🏻😂

🤣 straight talking . Love it

We love real honesty

In my opinion, Ethanol should be reserved for drinking and medical purposes only, like a medicinal drink or three, burning it seems like such a waste... :P

For bioethanol to be viable we'd have to make it ourselves, but there the whole burn it or drink it issues lol. But seriously bread shops, donut places are happy to give them away. Pond weeds, certain varieties have great sugar content grown for free, but buying it or as we have it put in our fuel over here in the states is counter productive. I tried the highest ethanol blend in my vehicle and lost 25 percent mileage off of the regular 10 percent blend so the 💯 gas if your willing to pay the extra for it may be worth it.

I use bio ethanol in the alcohol stove on the boat. Fortunately, over here in the Netherlands it costs far less. Just over a pound per liter.

@DavidMcLuckie

4 жыл бұрын

£1! That's more like it.

@danielfinch362

Жыл бұрын

I'm trying out my trangia spirit burner with plant pots right now! It gets really hot.

I had a crazy idea. What about trying LP propane. I know it's not good for the pump to run dry but it would be a good test to try propane by it self and a mix propane with something to keep pump lubed. As a worst case scenario

Next test. Try an hour for every fuel on high. And. Compare the fuel consumption. I'm very curious what type of fuel would be cheaper ml/h

What do you think of the idea that the combustion chamber should be made as short as possible, the whole thing should be placed vertically and a normal saucepan with water boiled up as a hob. As a combination, you could prepare warm water at the same time

I buy Bio Ethanol at the "Welkoop" farmer supply shop in the Netherland for about 1.75 euros. It is good to clean the burn chamber when it is full of crap from burning road Diesel with FAME. Much better results now with Esso Blue diesel with 20% HVO instead of FAME.

@MickeyMishra

2 жыл бұрын

before they started taxing alcohol you could buy a gallon of it for fifty cents a gallon in the United States basically for Farm use. in places that don't actually have an alcohol tax it's actually almost cheaper in many places to purchase Everclear then purchasing white gas for your heating and cooking needs.

Hey, buy a cheap testo flue gas analyzer used to adjust oil and gas furnaces, and try to adjust to diferent fuels adjusting the ratio, using gas or alcohol you need up the fuel or down the air in the chamber.

Cooooool :)

So whats the future plans for this spring once these heater videos are done? You do electronics or engines?

I have a couple of eberspacher heaters on my boat ... I have had fan issues which is ok because they have run many hrs but recently have had the burn chambers failures ... the very inside looks like it has over heated and distorted... any ideas.

Alcohol burns really easily, but yeah it has very little heat. Advantage though is how clean it burns and it turns mostly into water and carbon dioxide. Not a lot of opportunity for soot. I've even seen its flame clean the soot off of things that kerosene had coated thickly in soot.

Thanks Dave for the great video. Quick question, does bio ethanol lubricate the fuel pump so it won’t wear out like it would to use kerosine?

@DavidMcLuckie

3 жыл бұрын

No, it won't have the same lubricity but pumps are cheap and the pump should last a while before it gives up.

is the Carbon-monoxide Levels / measurements lower then, when using diesel ?

Useless hole - could it be there to allow the thing to bleed air out when priming?

I think you can mix 50/50 vegetable oil with methanol and it should give you more heat, more energy.

Weeeell alrightiiie then,lets blooo the garage up with alcohol fumes!

Burn any flammable liquid by the looks of it. Nice to know.

David you can get ethanol from petrol ,ie 1gallon petrol 1/2 pint water mix well ,the ethanol settles to the bottom, a lot of people do this to run two stroke engines. They use the petrol without ethanol in it

@cambridgemart2075

3 жыл бұрын

Then you end up with ethanol and water mixed.

i wonder if the spirits would clear out a sooted up burner, so if one is ran normally on diesel, then on spirit directly. would the spirit burn the carbon away ?

@miscbits6399

2 жыл бұрын

Or spirit with added water to steam it (up to the point of failing to ignite)

What kind of pump do you use? Also, methanol should technically work as well, right? But would it seize up the pump like kerosene does?

WELL HELLO,i have a 2kw heater,is there a way to adjust the heat up without the fan speed going up at the same time, im have that controller your using

David: great video, but thats not the kind of ethanol i was refering to. The ethanol i was talking about is called E85 and its straight out of the pump at the station. Its 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline/petrol and its cheaper than both pure diesel and gasoline/petrol. If youd like to try it out Id be happy to ship a couple of litres to your place. Regarding the Hole in the burner, i think thats for extra air, an inlet for atomizing the mixture thru the screen (there should be a screen/mesh inside the glowplug hole) on initial startup before everything start to rev up. The screen is removable with an M8 Bolt screwing it in and pulling the screen out, think corkscrew here.

@DavidMcLuckie

4 жыл бұрын

We don't get E85 here so I bought the closest I could get which was E100. If petrol works, and ethanol work then a mixture of the two will work. But you don't get anywhere near the heat from ethanol. Great for engines, not so great for heaters. :)

@KenKnowledge

4 жыл бұрын

@@DavidMcLuckie Maybe you could do the math behind 15% petrol and 85% ethanol mix to find out the energy yield? And then shove that thru the heater of course. What else am I suppose to watch on here in the weekends!? ;) Can't remember, you've done some many vids by now, but did you try paraffin/kerosene?

Hi David. Do the fumes not concern you? The reason I ask, my mate has a big garage that he wants to fit one for the office, can’t put the exhaust out anywhere. Do the fumes disperse quite quickly in the air?

@DavidMcLuckie

4 жыл бұрын

If you are venting into a well ventilated area it should be ok. But if you shut the garage door then you'll slowly fill the place with CO and given long enough will eventually kill you.

Have you tried propane? This would be interesting as it would be a good low power temperature controlled heater option to a RV heater.

@mxadema

4 жыл бұрын

An old bbq burner in the are inlet. Light it up with diesel and slowly add propane. Should work

Dave, i believe the hole if to do with the fuel air mixture i may be wrong

@DavidMcLuckie

4 жыл бұрын

You're right. Likely very wrong. :)

Have you tried kerosene? There’s a service bulletin about running my Espar D2 on kerosene for an hour to clean out the carbon. There’s a warning about lit soot coming out the exhaust and may ignite things in proximity to the exhaust.

@Ra-zor

4 жыл бұрын

Been using 75% kero and 25% red diesel in mine for over a year, no problems at all and cheap as chips to run...

@Ra-zor

2 жыл бұрын

@@NewWorldHoarder To keep the lift pump lubricated, and I had about 20 gallons lying around. Here in the Uk red is about 40% cheaper than white. I must admit I keep reading conflicting reports about if the lift pump needs lubricating or not though!

Hello David, Can one of these heaters run from bio-diesel? That would be interesting especially the long term effects. Keep up the great videos! 👍👌🔥

@DavidMcLuckie

3 жыл бұрын

From other commenters I can confirm it will run on bio-diesel.

@earlbigod

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidMcLuckie thanks for the response. I'll be sure to let you know when I get a chance to try it. 👍

@RoaldKoger

3 жыл бұрын

It will run effortlessly on anything that even remotely resembles diesel, so it will run on "green" diesel alternatives for sure.

need a PUMP -pink,Clam Shell Cover.

@DavidMcLuckie

3 жыл бұрын

www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2487261.m570.l1313&_nkw=diesel+pump+cover&_sacat=0

Hello David Thanks for this video My question is... Can I use the kerosene or LPG ? (Like 👍)

@MrMadenuff

Жыл бұрын

Kerosene works well, but soots up a bit. Would be unsafe with LPG due to pressure regulation.

David, one issue many travellers face in South America is that their Webasto’s don’t work (or not for very long) at heigh altitudes (lack of oxygen, soothing up...). Would burning ethanol or methanol address that issue? Is there any other solution to get a Webasto to work reliably at 4,000 meter altitude?

@DavidMcLuckie

4 жыл бұрын

Aww someone on here commented they had a heater with a 'mountain mode'. They had it stuck on that and it was running badly. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-24V-Air-Diesel-Heater-Parking-Remote-Controller-LCD-Monitor-Switch-Board/392420661345?hash=item5b5e181861:g:n9IAAOSwAS1deKTc See the blue controller in the picture has a yellow mountain on the display. The call it - Plateau Adaptive Function

What Does The Ethanol Taste Like Buddy ?

@amojak

3 жыл бұрын

if you ever had an alcoholic drink you already know :)

run the exhaust pipe inside a thicker air intake pipe and u can get more heat at lower cost =)

Hellooooo !! Is it possible to run those heaters with a gravity flow instead of a fuel pump ?

@v8snail

4 жыл бұрын

Negative. The fuel pump is not just for lifting fuel to a higher level, it is the only means the burner and controller have to precisely dose fuel to match demand and air/fuel ratio. It is also the only means of blocking fuel flow when it is off. Liken it to the fuel injector of an internal combustion engine.

As far as heater body orientation, I’m wondering if it should only be ran horizontally because of the bearings in the blower/motor... it would make sense that the cheap Chinese designers would use the cheapest bearings/motor available that fulfill their design needs and that there might only be sleeve a bearing in the back of the motor since the bronze surface would cost them a fraction of a ‘real’ bearing...

@DavidMcLuckie

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting enough I've actually done a video on replacing the bearings in the motor, and they are indeed bearings. Albeit sometimes noisy.

David, you did what I am doing! And yes, the alcohol is free! But my pump failed, because it’s a “dry” fuel. Does anyone know of a pump for these heaters that is ethanol compatible? Viton seals and such??

@DavidMcLuckie

4 жыл бұрын

What about a peristaltic pump? It would be a bit of trial and error to get one that outputs the volume for a given pulse. Unless there is a way to take the pulse and increase the duration with some kind of electronic wizardry.

@briansexton1253

4 жыл бұрын

@@DavidMcLuckie Well, I'm not a wizard, but I am going to look into this. Many options on Amazon. Thanks for the tip!

Can you run red diesel will it harm the heater ? And were can you buy that pink cover for the pump ? Thank you

@DavidMcLuckie

4 жыл бұрын

Red diesel works fine. Just search eBay for fuel pump cover.

Dave show me a heated hot plate cook a burger...

What about raps oil?

Here in Brazil the L of ethanol is £0.7

Hi David any chance you could try kerosene (paraffin), just thought it might be cheaper than diesel.. I think there is two types, have you any idea what the difference is ?

@DavidMcLuckie

4 жыл бұрын

Kerosene and Paraffin work.

@jondavies450

4 жыл бұрын

@@DavidMcLuckie Thanks David.

I assume that home heating oil would be a cheaper alternative to diesel...some gas stations have it on pump...

@DavidMcLuckie

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, heating oil also tends to actually give a better cleaner burn.

What happens when you get a power failure in a camper van or caravan, will they overheat and catch fire ?

@DavidMcLuckie

3 жыл бұрын

No more so than running on diesel. Once the pump stops, fuel stops and the fire goes out. But the heat that remains won't set it on fire but the heat may damage the circuit board.

@khrisa1945

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidMcLuckie thank you for your help,, 👍👍

I just got a 8kw model for my house. I want to mix ethanol with diesel. Ethanol at the pump is cheaper than gas and diesel. Can you give it a try??

@DavidMcLuckie

4 жыл бұрын

If ethanol works, and diesel works then mixing them together will still work. :)

when r u trying whiskey lol

You will have people asking for JET-2 next 😂

@mxadema

4 жыл бұрын

I'm curious, jet-2 and jp7 in one of those

@Curbsidecrafters

4 жыл бұрын

Jason Desjardins 😂😂😂

@juliogonzo2718

2 жыл бұрын

Do you mean jet-a? It would burn that happily

can you do the same with diesel show how it burns internally?

@DavidMcLuckie

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/YqiI1JNvfLzFhKw.html&lc=UgxsswaX6xE04-Mhucd4AaABAg

I would be very concerned about the use of any alcohol based fuels because of it's negligible lubricity. I imagine the pump would experience pre-mature failure.

@ScottyCrawford

Жыл бұрын

Add 2% high-grade 100% synthetic oil of high-viscosity; like 50-weight, in U.S. nomenclature. If that doesn't feel as slippery as diesel fuel when you rub it between your fingers, add a little bit at a time until it does. We always recommend Redline Oil first and foremost. You can even call the company and speak to an actual human being who is actually smart! (I've been an alcohol fuel instructor and researcher for decades.)

You can make it easy enough from sugar beets or sugar cane you can grow yourself.

Low density fuel - advantage you use twice as much for the same bang = the fuel becomes a coolant helping to keep the engine cool due to the higher volume of nice cold fuel coming in to it.

@DavidMcLuckie

4 жыл бұрын

I know it's good for engines for the reasons you stated. But I don't think it's great for running these heaters. You want a slow burning fuel to soak as much heat into the heatsink as possible.

@Garry.Anderson

4 жыл бұрын

Fully agree! In a heater you want the exact opposite!

If you make your own ethanol. Its 60-70c / L i think u might get 50-60c/L if your improve process.

90% old engine oil, 10% petrol. You must run the oil through a centrifuge. Works fine for me.

@DavidMcLuckie

4 жыл бұрын

A centrifuge would be nice. But a good one is expensive.

@lesroberts2244

4 жыл бұрын

@@DavidMcLuckie Hi Dave, a company called oilybits sell them. I paid under £500 including the pump, spins at 9000 rpm.

Us in the USA, mainly use gasoline. my self, i donot want to carry a 3rd fuel. i want to run the 2 or 5 heater on gasoline. you have all the test equipment. please test one for us USA campers with gasoline,, for about an hour .. please reply. will you run one for me with gasoline.. if it does any damage,, i will pay you or buy it from you. will the pump work well? does it soot up less if it is hotter? will the computer control the heat? will it over heat? make another video for USA Hamish

@DavidMcLuckie

3 жыл бұрын

I think I could give that a go. There shouldn't be any damage. I'll have a play and see what happens.

@DavidMcLuckie

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/g4KLr9eoY8jYfZs.html. It works, didn't overheat. Made CO like it was going out of fashion though.

So you can run one off bio diesel?

@DavidMcLuckie

2 жыл бұрын

Yes.

Yes you can get ethanol for free from plants or wood…there are many videos how to extract it.

what about just gasoline, I have seen both models . petrol being a bit cheaper here in the states

Here e85 bioethanol is like 70-90 cent per liter

@satibel

Жыл бұрын

@@HaleBopp France

Ethanol is fairly cheap in South America I forget which country it is but their autos run on 100% ethanol with no mixture of gasoline in it or petrol they have lots of sugar cane that they use to make the ethanol

@juliogonzo2718

2 жыл бұрын

You might be thinking of Brazil. I went there years ago and I'm pretty sure you could get straight ethanol at most gas stations.

Have you tryed running the heater on kerosene?

@DavidMcLuckie

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, runs fine on diesel, kerosene, heating oil, etc.

@RustyShakleford1

4 жыл бұрын

thank you very very much for sharing. i am collecting vege oil currently. what pump setting are you using? do you think it could run correctly on 85% wvo and 15% petrol

10:45 Oooooo

ethanol is expensive in the UK because people will drink it

What's the CHEAPEST fuel for this so far?

@mxadema

4 жыл бұрын

Whatever you have available in bulk quantity. May vary by location. But I'm wondering the fuel consumption per hour for any given fuel.

@petethompson1282

4 жыл бұрын

@@mxadema yeah problem is finding any supplies in the eastidlands uk. :/ No red diesel or other feasible fuel here so using full tax diesel atm

@mxadema

4 жыл бұрын

@@petethompson1282 I live in Canada. Our heating oil (red diesel) is really just regular diesel, due to the cold. That what i run my tractor on, and also my 2k heater since it plumb on the same tank. And it almost 1/2 price. Same for ethanol. Here, they give the stuff away. They use it in cheap gasoline to lower the price. Since the heater are cheap and will burn anything. I would try 70%used motor oil / diesel ( black diesel) it would smoke but it exhaust outside. May need to run reg diesel at high to clean it once ever so often. That would make it pretty cheap to run

@benlee4940

4 жыл бұрын

@@petethompson1282 Have you tried calling an oil supplier like Chandlers or whoever is around your area? Our oil fired boiler ran out of oil a few years ago and we went and got some 25L containers from their depot while we waited for a tanker delivery. Another option would be going to a marina on the canals, I believe they sell red diesel for the narrow boats.

@petethompson1282

4 жыл бұрын

@@benlee4940 yeah, they only do 200 litres or boxes for£26 same price at the pump

I thought you could run a diesel heater up side down.

@DavidMcLuckie

Жыл бұрын

Nearly. You can run it on its side as long as the glowplug is at the top.