They haven't won not until recently they had a GT40 with a V6

@beebwanon

Жыл бұрын

What? You mean the ford gt with a 4 cylinder?

@nathansmith7645

Жыл бұрын

@@beebwanon yeah I think that's what it was, i just thought it was odd that they didn't use a v8

@nxthxniel7348

Жыл бұрын

@@nathansmith7645 NA V8s are unfortunately going out of fashion. At least the Mclaren Turbod V8 sounds good

@johnrus7661

Жыл бұрын

​@@beebwanon Do you know what a V6 even is? A 6 cylinder engine.

@themustangboy8472

Жыл бұрын

​@@beebwanon you mean the gt70 the British ford

A classic story in racing. A car becomes too dominant, so the rules are altered to crush it. Look at what happened to the Dodge Daytona/Plymouth Superbird. The same story.

@PK-xu7gu

Жыл бұрын

​@@fakhirshah😂😂😂. Lulu fans are everywhere

@PK-xu7gu

Жыл бұрын

@@fakhirshah Where was the hate in my comment? You're on a video complaining about rules changes in F1 like that hasn't been part and parcel of its entire history. You must be a teen or only started watching when Hamilton started winning.

@MidwestTractionModeler

Жыл бұрын

Mazda 787b

@chemandol8554

Жыл бұрын

@@PK-xu7gu literally the reason why they changed 2021 regs was to cut down on the advantage merc had on the rest of the field, hence allowing one of the greatest WDC battles in recent history. They also changed regs in 2022 to reduce dirty air AND shake up the field a little (which is just “take out the top dog team” in prettier words in a lot of aspects). Happens all the time to the top team in F1. Red Bull is next. It’s nothing to do with Lewis or his fans, it’s the nature of the sport. One team race? Change the rules.

@jdguy23

Жыл бұрын

Yup freakin panzies

If ya can't beat em, cheat em.

@Stellar-Cowboy

Жыл бұрын

They’re called rules dummy

@ghostinthemachine5821

Жыл бұрын

@@Stellar-Cowboy making the "rules" as you go along to benefit a desired outcome is called cheating genius. 😎👍

@nostranger2u

Жыл бұрын

Just like they do in Dakar.

@gotchello7168

Жыл бұрын

In the Motorsport world changing the rules is the norm now. idk about then but for example in f1 they change every 4-5 years and they have dominances like ford did.

@GigglesMakeHerJiggle

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like Las Vegas

Another thing was, it was Miles that drove Henry Ford II in the GT40 not Shelby.

@philippburnett6045

Жыл бұрын

I think it made better for Shelby doing it. As he was risking lots of things and was actually direct line with ford. Outside of Shelby and his team, nobody seemed to want miles there

@hillbillybobbybanjo7846

9 ай бұрын

Shelby taking Henry ford II for a spin never happened

@dickdeadeyesez

7 ай бұрын

@@philippburnett6045 Yes, a good plot twist.

@hunterxsimple3821

7 ай бұрын

​@@hillbillybobbybanjo7846but he was really taken for a ride...? Probably not as dramatic as it was in the movie

This is hugely incorrect. The real reason they stopped winning is because they stopped entering. 1969 was the last year they entered the GT40, and they won it. The GT40 won even after the rule changes that limited the engine sizes, and were implemented by the FIA after the 1967 race. The '68 and' 69 wins were done with 4.9L engines, instead of the original 7.0L engines. The rule changes also had nothing to do with Ford winning. It was because of the speeds which Ford was achieving, as the FIA were worried that such speeds would cause a repeat of the 1955 Le Mans disaster where 82 people died, and another 121 were injured.

@thosdot6497

Сағат бұрын

I hope you're not suggesting that a GT40 would have won against the 917s in 1970 - that's just delusional. 1969 was tough enough, beating the 908 by 100m or so.

It also forgot to mention that Caroll Shelby had passed away in 2012

@robertghorne8607

9 ай бұрын

a driven genuine American genius.

@OceanicAirChelsea

7 ай бұрын

And that ken miles died in 66

@platterpluck

7 ай бұрын

​@@OceanicAirChelseawe saw that in the movie

@skittles6746

6 ай бұрын

@@OceanicAirChelseadawg we literally see him die in the movie

@Wildcat_Gamer

4 ай бұрын

​@@OceanicAirChelseabro watched Ford vs Ford

The food 427 was a beast and one of the most powerful engines ever produced

And by the way, I forgot that in 1968 the rules changed also for Ferrari, basically ending the 330 P4 because of that

@fabioq6916

Жыл бұрын

So it had nothing at all to do with Anti Americanism and more to do with improving competitiveness.

@Adam_vdolda

11 ай бұрын

@@fabioq6916 Stil big L for FIA

@jacobboudreau6230

6 ай бұрын

@@fabioq6916exactly

@johnbaker7102

6 ай бұрын

@@fabioq6916lol at increasing competition. Thats like limiting basketball players height to 6 feet to “increase competition”

@mr8I7

5 ай бұрын

I think they were worried about the speeds being too high for the poor aerodynamic understanding at the time. Ford struggled big time to resolve aerodynamics issues with the GT40 and that was with a massive R and D budget. Poor Ken Miles lost his life because of aero issues I believe and there were other near misses. If you had more inexperienced teams running 200mph cars there was a risk there would be more big crashes.

Nascar did the same thing to Mopar when they came out with the unbeatable Superbirds and Daytonas.

@andrewesau51

Жыл бұрын

True but imagine how dangerous it would have been if all the manufacturers would have made wing cars and you had a 40 car field of 1970s safety tech doing 212 MPH at Daytona and Talladega. Plus I think some of the smaller manufacturers couldn't afford to compete or build a car like that. So yeah it did suck NASCAR did that but I think a genuine case can be made that it was in the best interest of NASCAR for safety and for good competition. Many racing series in history died out and we're cancelled because one company made a car so dominate that the others couldn't compete and thus causing them do stop attempting to compete in that series. So NASCAR doing that may have saved itself from a early death.

@davesstillhere

Жыл бұрын

NASCAR didn't care too much for the Ford 427 Cammer either. Changed rules to exclude that engine also

@alexeidenier4072

10 ай бұрын

​@@davesstillherethey did the same thing with the Chevrolet mystery 427 it totally dominated for about a year iirc and then they changed the rules. It was for the best though the mark IV that came out to replace the W series is a much better design anyway.

@robertghorne8607

9 ай бұрын

Chevy had big blocks as ford. they didn't have the super bird with hemi

@sandysmith7485

9 ай бұрын

@@robertghorne8607 No shit

It didn’t just screw the Americans though. Jaguar was working on a V12 car that never got to race (XJ13) and didn’t win another LeMans until the 80’s.

It's very common. They did it to Mazda in the early 90's, too. Banned rotary engines because the 787b was so dominant.

@MidwestTractionModeler

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, didn't it dominate Le Mans its first year, which ended up being its last.

@fintonsawesomestuff

11 ай бұрын

Not really true, the Mazda wasn’t very fast compared to its competitors and only won one race it entered. However, it was very reliable

@jamessimmons3921

11 ай бұрын

787B 🧡💚🧡🖤

@matthew_natividad

10 ай бұрын

@@fintonsawesomestuffinteresting for a rotary engine

@kevorkyijan118

8 ай бұрын

That car was not dominant ....the engine was always been a controversy

So as always stack the deck,Nascar did the same crap ,Ford and Dodge would of beat out GM

@joshuamartinez7257

Жыл бұрын

@Dope Af nice, proper grammar

@NIKOJEFE

Жыл бұрын

Also same thing when Dodge Charger Daytona & Plymouth Roadrunner SuperBird were not allow to race because with had 425HP & it made it to 200 miles and it was unbeatable from 1969 & 1970.

@dustinontaiyabbi5608

Жыл бұрын

​@@NIKOJEFE same thing with the Ford Torino Talladega 428 cobra jet which brought Richard petty over to ford from Mopar and them the big wings brought him back and then they were banned, etc.

@dustinpomeroy8817

Жыл бұрын

Dodge didn't compete for how many years?I probably would leave them out of the conversation.

@dustinontaiyabbi5608

Жыл бұрын

@@dustinpomeroy8817 why leave them out of the Convo they are still relevant

Seems a constant for scummy people. Don’t like the result? Move those goalposts…

@porkjuices8365

Жыл бұрын

My friend does this. He starts a kill contest in Call of Duty then start changing up rules when he falls behind. Nobody else even agreed to any of it. He's on top he let's the world know. Quietly drops it if he loses and his rule changes don't work. Keep in mind Nobody else is for this contest. It's all him every single time. Shit is wild.

@BigBossIvan

Жыл бұрын

@Brianna Mcm sounds like their opposition failed miserably and changed the rules… simple.

@MaNNeRz91

Жыл бұрын

​@@porkjuices8365 he's a narcissist plain and simple. Likes to be in control of other people's outcomes for his own personal gains.

@adamtucker117

Жыл бұрын

Yes but in the case of motorsport, this was incredibly beneficial for the world of it, it forces exploration of other ideas that wouldn't have been looked into otherwise. Motorsport engineering is the forefront

@chicocc

Жыл бұрын

To be honest the rules for Le Mans are continuosly changing and many of those are controversial. If any of you would have partecipated to any of the Le Mans 24hrs as I did , would know. The rules changed also for the 1968 killing the Ferrari 330P4 , which was a restyle of the beaten Ferrari in this case , and finished second in 1967 and won the title. And it also basically closed the official partecipation of Ferrari into Le Mans and then into the Sport Car Championship, at the time called Prototypes which culminated in the title won by Matra in 1973 , because the rules makers decided to pick the 7 best results over the season and not the full point scoring, and Matra which deservelly won 5 races against 2 of Ferrari and Porsche , grabbed the title even if Ferrari totalized a lot more points. It is debatable, because up to that day to win the championship you just had to collect more points ,and in fact Ferrari decided in 1973 to abandon the Sport Championship to concentrate in F1 only. It is to be said as well that Ford was the first one to pour as much money as possible in order to create a car to beat Ferrari, basically opening to what it came later and today totally out of control spending in every level of competition to be winners, football and NBA on top them all. And Mr Ferrari refused the agreement with Ford for not losing control of the Racing Department, and I feel that just right. Then for whatever regards story of ruling alone, since there is motorsport there are rules breaking, as the idea is to go as much closer as possible to the rules limit and sometime it gets passed even not deliberately. Most of the time are, and just in the last 40 years of F1 we had the Brabham BMW case with illegal fuel which won two titles, The Brabham-Alfa with the famous fan, The Tyrell case disqualified for a year with bottle of oxygen in the motor, the McLaren Honda with the turbo pop off valve, The BAR Honda with the second nourice in the fuel tank, The Ferrari traction control tested in 1994, when many other teams already used it, the famous Brawn diffuser, the fuel sensor reading of Ferrari lately, the scandalous handling of the rules changes in 2014 where Mercedes knew in advance the motorization to be used well before everyone else and developing the motor which dominated 6 years to follow, the Benetton saga on fuel rig and so on..... And we can continue on Rally WRC, where rules changes were made to allow some constructor to come in and win, and the rules breaking were ordinary at every rally for years.

They did the same thing to Jim Hall in Group 7 racing. They just killed the Chaparral cars

@jamesspalten5977

9 күн бұрын

One of my friend's Dad was Jim Hall's partner, Jim Sharp.

This is common in sports car racing, it's not because they were American... Look at the 917 and subsequent Porsches. Or changing the rules because of the 962, or CANAM or changing the rules so Audi couldn't win again.

@bigorsetomatoesauce6403

Жыл бұрын

Dont forget nissan in V8 super cars Australia

@dtm0524

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Whatever fits the narrative, apparently 😒

@jokerpaisa4ever

Жыл бұрын

The 787 Mazda

@niko1600

6 ай бұрын

​@@jokerpaisa4everthe 787 got lucky and only ever won Lemans. It wouldn't finish any higher than 5th in any other race

USA did the same thing when audi started owning in trans am with a 2.8l turbo v8 and Quatro. They won podiums in almost every race they finished then iirc were banned through rule changes after either their debut season or the next. Usually with 1,2 finishes as long as the drivers (who didn't much like each other) both finished.

@mamavswild

5 ай бұрын

They do this in every motor sport; NASCAR did this also…they stacked the deck for the Daytona and Superbird. I don’t think it had really anything to do with the fact that it was an American team

Same thing happened when the 787B won. They changed the engine regs preventing rotaries.

@NiHi557

Жыл бұрын

Had nothing to do with the 787B, Group C as an overall thing was getting too successful vs F1, so Ecclestone got the top class C1 to adopt the 3.5L F1 engine formula, then went for shorter races and so on. At some point manufacturers projected that they'd spend more on Group C than just going into F1, so they quit. With no manufacturers and teams, Group C died off. 787B Was reliable, but it wasn't that fast. Compare the Sauber C11, which with Michael Schumacher at the wheel broke the lap record in the same race multiple times through the night stint, a lap time Mazda couldn't hope to achieve

@runningbear1982

6 ай бұрын

Actually the rule change was slated for the next year regardless. Mazda just got really lucky. I'm not trying to take away anything from the 787b or Mazdaspeed though. What they achieved was incredible.

@kimf.wendel9113

4 ай бұрын

That rule change was implemented in 1990 to save cost on engines from 1993. 787B didn't win until 1991, and retired in 1992. Get the facts straight

Also that Lorenzo Bandini died less than a year after Ken Miles.

This is actually incorrect. FIA changed the rules to smaller engine sizes in 1971. The GT40 stopped winning with the introduction of the Porsche 917in 1969, which won all endurance race but one in 1970 and all but 3 in 1971. It would have won Le Mans already in 1969 if it hadn’t reliability issues that year. When the last 917 dropped out of the race it had a 50 miles lead over the next car. The 917 turbo charged B12 cars also dominated the 72/73 CanAm series so much that they changed the rules there too. At it’s peak that B12 engine produced up to 1500 HP. The car is until today holding track records in Le Mans and other race tracks it performed.😎

Except by producing 25 cars the intake limit was upped to 5L, no? Whole reason the porshe 917 led

I don't care about cars so much, but the fact they developed a technology that could out pace, out last, the statuesque, with the world laughing. That's a damn good story. A damn dood movie as well

The rules changed for everyone.

LeMans has always changed rules. After Jaguar won in 1951, 53, 55, 56 & 57 they changed the rules in the early 60's as jaguar had developed the V12 XJ13 which would have blown Ferrari out of the water. But engine sizes were limited to prevent this

The same thing happened with the Audi cars that ran on diesel. They didn't have to stop to refuel as often. And over 24hours those stops counted. I think they ruled that the diesel cars may only carry x ampunt of fuel.

Yep, and then Chip Ganassi and Ford Performance went back and won it again first try back in 2017 i think?

Rule changes to influence results are a proud tradition in racing authorities.

Ferrari thought they had corralled Ford, but Porsche took the new rules and rebuilt the 908 into that absolute monster that was the 917, a car that effectively shut out Ferrari for many years after.

i mean it makes sense. Race officials and series will always change rules to ensure there is a rotation of winners.

@shivanshsingh8173

10 ай бұрын

What is that supposed to mean. There should be natural rotation of winners, always. It's like saying usain bolt is too tall so he can't run so that winners are rotated. Whatever people think races are for, bit for me its always the car and the driver's skills. Same goes for any competitive sports. You wanna win? Win it with skill and engineering not some lame as$ technical stuff.

@nxthxniel7348

10 ай бұрын

@@shivanshsingh8173 well thats in an ideal world. but we don’t live in one of those. shits political, you don’t get entries for races if only 1 person is allowed the formula to win

@shivanshsingh8173

10 ай бұрын

@@nxthxniel7348 that might be the case, and I don't disagree with that but isn't it doing wrong to the person who put immense effort. I am talking specifically for ken miles there could have been so many things to break ties like the time you stayed in lead or number of cars overtaken or something else but they still chose the only one which made him lose. A sport event that fails to acknowledge the best, imo, isn't credible to rank them in the first place.

@nxthxniel7348

10 ай бұрын

@@shivanshsingh8173 I definitely don’t disagree. It’s all political as I said and they’ve got to satisfy everyone unlike other sports that are more equal inherently

@shivanshsingh8173

10 ай бұрын

@@nxthxniel7348 yes, it is political and all of it is disappointing. At any rate it is really sad and disheartening to know that ken miles didn't live to race another le mans.

Same thing with the viper

BS The rule about engine size was before GT40 defeat. In 1968 and 1969 the GT40 was a 5 liters Sports Car while prototypes were only 3 liters. The Ferrari P4 wasn't allowed to race as a prototype because it was 4 liters and neither as a Sports Car because of cars produced. So it's quite the opposite. GT40 stops winning when Ford stopped its developement.

For all the Americans thinking the GT40 is American.... actually... only the Mk4 was designed and made completely in the US, the GT40 is based on Lola Mk6, a British car, in fact the GT40 Mk1, 2 and 3 were designed and manufactured in the UK with a British team, also the first GT40 was unveiled in England, only the engine came from the US, so they actually banned a European car.

@user-xu5xj3ym4k

8 ай бұрын

maybe try watching the movie one time, because they literally show the car being shipped to the usa from uk....

@GM-ii8gs

8 ай бұрын

@@user-xu5xj3ym4k Thanks, but I saw it in a cinema when the film was launched. I know the history, the true history, my father worked on the project for Ford. Now if you could get a load of Americans on here to watch the movie that would be handy 👍

@buckhorncortez

7 ай бұрын

The chassis was built by Holman Moody and Kar Kraft did the bodies. The original Mark 1 car was Lola. All of the race versions had Holman Moody manufacturer's plates.

@GM-ii8gs

7 ай бұрын

@@buckhorncortez I was talking about development of the "GT40" and production of the road going "GT40", not the later race series, as well documented: "The first chassis built by Abbey Panels of Coventry (UK) was delivered on 16 March 1964, with fibreglass mouldings produced by Fibre Glass Engineering Ltd of Farnham (UK). The first "Ford GT" the GT/101 was unveiled in England on 1 April and soon after exhibited in New York. Purchase price of the completed car for competition use was £5,200". Production is listed official as: United Kingdom: Slough (Mk I, Mk II, and Mk III) United States: Los Angeles (Mk I & Mk II Modifications) and Wixom, Michigan (Wixom Assembly Plant) (Mk IV).

@michaelusswisconsin6002

6 ай бұрын

We know it’s based on a British sports car. The thing that made it American was the Ford 427 cu in engine.

You have zero idea about motor racing and Le Mans if you think this was because 'american bad'. Funny how if you actually did research you would find out that every other company was affected by this; in fact this change was long overdue, it goes to show that ford and american car manufactures could build big and powerfull but couldnt build compact and even more powerfull. Stop playing the victim and try harder.

The rule that changes was the prototype class minimum production was lowered, but the maximum displacement was also lowered to 3L while the touring class kept its 5L status. The GT40 mkII and mkIV are 7L and they won in 66 and 67 while the mkI is a 4L and it won in 68 and 69. So technically the rules it changed shouldn’t have mattered considering Ford had already won 2 le mans under the new rule change with 2 mkI gt40s in 68 and 69

CHRISTIAN BALE WAS SIMPLY AWESOME ❤

Reminds me of Schwarzenegger, the bodybuilder. His employers owned and controlled the major competitions. So they changed the rules to make it difficult for competitors to enter the competition. Some of Arnold's trophies - big ones, in fact - were won against ZERO competitors. But they are still counted as wins. The rule changes made Arnold win. Not his condition. He still looked amazing but so did the other guys...who were prevented from competing.

Such a good movie!

Bullshit. Ford won with two different cars and two different engines in those four years. The GT40 three times, and the J car. Engines were the 7.0 L and the 5.0 L. They won two more in the 70s as an engine supplier.

@drewyoung2157

8 ай бұрын

The J car never raced. Its development ended after the death of Ken Miles and it was instead turned into the MKIV GT40, which did win.

I guess they were trying to dodge a Ferarri lawsuit?

Racing series constantly change rules when one car type wins to much as they don't want the series to be stale. NOTHING about being "sore losers"

@hotwaxonmyuddersohyeahmoo5701

Жыл бұрын

That's bullshit. It's a race. Fastest car and best driver wins. There is no need to punish success unless there's an emotional angle. We want to see fast cars go fast

@martinblank1484

Жыл бұрын

@@hotwaxonmyuddersohyeahmoo5701 Racing is business and that business needs customers. A boring series with the same winner all the time does not attract customers. Other factors also are in play like safety and innovation. So no, not BS, it's reality.

@hotwaxonmyuddersohyeahmoo5701

Жыл бұрын

@@martinblank1484 I know it's reality genius that's why I said it's bullshit

@martinblank1484

Жыл бұрын

@@hotwaxonmyuddersohyeahmoo5701 Great....any how...

@hotwaxonmyuddersohyeahmoo5701

Жыл бұрын

@@martinblank1484 Anyhow what?

What the movie also left out was Ferrari travelled to Daytona a year later and demolished the GT40 on American soil with a legendary all Ferrari 1-2-3 finish. Sweet retribution. Amazing tale of revenge.

Changing the rules is what happens in races. They changed rules in NASCAR and banned certain designs/modifications because it gave unfair advantages. Same thing with the Formula series.

M3 GTR : I feel your pain

Sounds like Olympics with Eddie the eagle.

Sounds like what they did in Australia in 1993 - changing all the rules to stop the GT-R Skyline racing against and embarrassing Holden and Ford

Seems lie a familiar theme to me. I read about the Seiko company and how they opened two subsidiary factories and set them off against each other to make a better and better watch to equal the Swiss. Well, they did it. They ended up combining the best of both factories and put the resulting masterpiece into the competition in Switzerland. It won as it was by far the most accurate watch in the contest. The contest was then discontinued. Sore losers right enough.

Minis that won the Monte Carlo in 1966 were disqualified because their headlamps weren’t yellow…

Europe is still like that against anyone not British winning formula 1

What about the Mazda Wankel? With its 10K+ RPM, Nothing could beat it.

The rules change all the time so the sport doesn't get dominated by one manufacturer / team. It's always been the way and it's down to manufacturers / teams to do the best job.

If you’re interested in this type of thing research the Australian Bathurst 1000 and Australian Touring Cars Championship history shows that they banned foreign cars bc they kept winning. A few years ago they allowed a few back in but limited. It was called V8 Super Cars which weren’t allowed available for public whereas in the past there were rules that they had to be available with production numbers being met. V8s raced together with all size motors and there were classes for each but they were all in same race

@ArkaRaizer

11 ай бұрын

this was abt the R32 GTR yes?

Not quite the whole story..they won the next 3, not 4 (67,68,69).development on bleeding edge variants like the GT40 mkIV stopped as Ford started pulling back from racing and the engine displacement rules eliminating 7 liter (427 CI) engines after 67. The 68 and 69 races were one by John Wyer's highly refined lightweight MK I, specifically p1075, with the 5 liter Gurney Weslake version of the small block ford. Ford chose not to adapt the MK IV to a 5 liter engine which was still allowed to run into the 70s. The Porsche 917 and the Ferrari 512 were both 5 liter cars. Limited "production" cars were allowed up to 5 liters, specifically to allow all the owners of MK Is and Lola T70s to race.

Not strictly an American vs Europe problem. They did it to the Porsche 917 that dominated in 70 & 71, and many more times throughout the history of LeMans when a car becomes too dominate

european ima peein’ everyone’s uh peein’ 😅

Lmao my day just keeps gettin better Two huge companies taking L’s

people in the comments talking about the opposition changing the goalposts but it wasn't Ferrari changing the goalposts or any particular manufacturer. It was the ACO, who are French, if anything that's probably Renault-biased.

They did recently tho, the the 3.5 V6 GT

Man knoe matter what we say about Americans, these guys dont like to loose. They will come back, win, adapt more and more, and then just dominate whether be it in anything.

@GBURGE55

6 ай бұрын

The US hasn't been dominant in manufacturing terms in any form of Motorsport since LeMans1967! ('68 & '69 was a British run team btw).

Also because the Porsche 917 was a monster…

@Jamo_7811

12 күн бұрын

Yes 👍 thank you

As an American, that's annoying. But as a racing fan, that's exactly how the world works. If you win too much and things get boring, the regulators change the rules to make a new challenge for everyone. It spices up the results a bit more but we still see dominance. F1 has seen this. Audi can say the same about Le Mans in modern times.

And then Europeans have the audacity to talk about their, superior engineering 🥴 Japan > Germany > Italy > US > the rest of Europe

@drazenbudis7881

Жыл бұрын

Is that why brits had to build the Gt40 for the yanks? Ouch

@accountnotfound4209

Жыл бұрын

US>rest of the world

@michaelusswisconsin6002

6 ай бұрын

@@drazenbudis7881Ford 427 was American V8

@NotBerserk

21 күн бұрын

@@drazenbudis7881the engine was American you pos

Mopar- "First time?"

787 left the building. 😂😂😂

Next 3 not 4, Porsche won in 1970, another detail they leave out is the fact that the J-Car miles died in was the precursor to the GT40 MK4 and how much changed between the MK4 and MK2

They did the same thing to Honda circa 1990 when their engines dominated F1 across different race teams. They changed the rules so that Honda couldn't win.

They did this to Corvette Racing also. The Europeans don’t like to lose so they cheat.

Americans winning Le Mans in the Ford GT40? I hope you’re referring to the team ownership , not the drivers?

@drewyoung2157

8 ай бұрын

Generally yes, but remember that American drivers did win Le Mans in the GT40. Dan Gurney and AJ Foyt did it in 1967.

Also, a classic reason of why it’s so hard for Americans to get into F1 we have Logan Sergeant and I think the person before him was maybe in the 90s it’s also why Americans don’t have F1 teams lol we would dominate

Great short, good info. 10/10

Makes perfect sense, because in Europe huge engines were practically non-existent at that time.

"Sore losers"? This american bias is a bit annoying. FIA does it continuously, to increase competitiveness of the race. Check the Porsche 917 history.

Two things in the movie that I don't understand why they changed, 1- Ken raced twice at Le Mans for Ford the first time didn't go so well. And 2- the way they finished there was no doubt Ken came second they crossed one after the other not lined up like they did in the movie.

Oh so Ferrari can win how many races with no rule change but Ford wins a few and it’s the end of the world lol

@norandomstuff

Жыл бұрын

Thats european elitism for you.

@whatcanudo4metho

Жыл бұрын

​@@norandomstuffyeah, this was the fans choice. I mean Shelby could not have been any more American fart knocker with the hat and everything. Of course they hated it.

It's the same reason that F-1 is opposed to an Andretti/America team.

I never agree with cheating like that so maybe you should read the rulebook for the america's cup. the american's have changed the rules that many times to stymie competitors that the rule book is now written on an Etch A Sketch.

Racing rule’s always evolve and respond to dominance or a desire to be relevant to manufacturers goals. Tech trickles down.

On either side. Same that Americans did after Europeans won Pike Peaks and Sebring with dominating cars and drivers, then changing the rules.

The movie completely glosses over several facts and makes Bruce McLaren and Chris Amon seem like villains for winning when it was Miles' choice to slow down. And it also makes it seem like Miles did the majority of the driving when Denny Hulme did half.

It's no fun going to a race that's more of a dominant beating by the already ruling winner, regardless who it is. It also doesn't drive ingenuity, since the car is filling out the gaps in that rulebook with patents, then either unavailable or too expensive for the competition. The rulebook changes to keep the playing field level and technology advancing within a certain framework. If it wouldn't have been killed back then, it definitely would with the fuel limitations on group C cars, which I highly doubt it'd be competitive with in the first place.

They did the same thing to Mazda in the 90s.

Probably learnt from the America's Cup. Change the rules to suit the home teams.

Sore losers describes Europe perfectly

@Jamo_7811

12 күн бұрын

2nd rate describes American cars perfectly.

Nothing new really but i would say it is a good thing, if you allowed one team to dominate without any changes ,other teams would pull out of the championship or there would be arms race and oneday they found out nobody can afford to race anymore.

People think the gt40 was American 😂😂😂 built in England, thats y they were right hand drive 😂

The same rule changes affected AUDI to race in the US

That’s not exactly what happened...and it wasn’t even American teams who won, they were British teams (Wyer). Moreover they should have changed the rules..Ford was running 5 and 7 liter motors against Ferrari’s 2.5 and 4 liter motors. Plunking in a giant motor isn’t improving design, which is the whole point of motor racing. Meanwhile the guys who really designed the GT40 (Lola) continued to do well with the Lola T70 variations although Porsche stepped in and wiped the floor with everybody with the 917’s at that point. Ford really had no shot after 1969, even with the Mk IV.

@sutherlacd27

5 ай бұрын

If using a larger engine improved the vehicles performance then it's improving the design

Well not because they’re Americans but actually to benefit the engineers to experiment and explore more potential out of smaller engines. For example in rally, the best cars had quite small engines (compared to American standards) came from Europe and Japan but still were the dominant force because of the high value of engineering. Another example which is not for the benefit of engineers but for the safety of the drivers is the Dakar Rally. In the era around 80s/ 90s and partially early 2000s (basically the era of Dakar Rally when it was still in Africa) the cars, trucks, bikes and other participating vehicles were beasts of their own but for the safety Dakar Rally got regulated with engine sizes and at some parts of some stages with speed limits. With good reason as Dakar Rally is known to be the most dangerous, unforgiving and deadliest rally. In motorsports the mechanics and engineers are often overlooked which is sad because they’re the reason for all the glory of the teams.

Reminds me of the paris wine controversy. Euros become very very bitter when an american beats them at thier own game

Interesting that a GT40 is the only time at Lemans to have had the same car win the race twice!

It's not because they were Americans, nor about resentment. It's normal practice, when a car becomes to dominant, rules get changed, to give chance to other manufacturers have a chance, and so the sport doesn't become boring. That also happened in Nascar with the Plimouth, Fórmula1, the Daytona 24h etc. Don't make this some kind of Europe vs USA thing, because it's not.

Once the rotary engine won, it was banned too!

The 5 liter engine cap remained until 1973 in the group 6 prototype cars (which the various gt40 models were in) Porsche was just able to develop better and were more invested in the 24 hours of Le Mans as Ford did what they set out to do by beating Ferrari over a series or years

They have always worked on the rules to even the field, just like when Audi did so well with diesel. Ford just had nothing left to prove, they could have kept on winning if they wanted to.

Much like European golf - they specifically change the courses to the disadvantage of US players shortly before matches begin.

787b in Lemans

Same happened to the Viper and then In Australia, JDM cars embarrassed the local production V8s so they changed the rules.

Sounds like the tour de France to me

LeMans regularly changes rules if somebody is too much of a winner.

When you can’t beat them just change the rules. Im glad to see its not just America playing that way

We, USA, did that for decades with the America's Cup. This rule manipulation is not unusual.

Life Lesson. Be the reason the rules have to be changed!