Windu is a powerful warrior no doubt, but he does have his own brand of arrogance to him. That’s common among “by the books” type of people.

@johnnyscifi

Жыл бұрын

He's very, VERY two-faced

@TheChuckfuc

Жыл бұрын

It is because of jedi like windu. That the sith were able to move into positions of power. And become a bigger threat than before.

@timalsept2854

Жыл бұрын

@@TheChuckfuc yes a terrible Jedi Windu was

@TheRealFalkerry

Жыл бұрын

@@timalsept2854 Windu wasn't a terrible Jedi, if anything he was The Jedi. It's the Jedi code and rules that are warped. And since he was a "by the book" guy...

@fenrir_Lokison9

Жыл бұрын

For me, the final nail in the coffin for hating Windu as a person, was during Ahsoka's trial. He should have trusted her, bit, let us be real, all the evidence was against here. But even if you see that, the fact that after the trial and confession, he does not admit that he was wrong. His bs response: This is a test of the force or the force acts in misterious ways... I honestly hate him so much.

Using Vapaad, Windu is someone who sits on the razors edge of the dark side. Being strict and by the book is how he keeps himself in the light.

@acedagreat25

Жыл бұрын

Interesting

@DromusTH

Жыл бұрын

I actually like that

@danmarusan2878

Жыл бұрын

Finally, someone who understands Mace Windu.

@thatrandomguy362

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanchunstudenthbhs8402 he isnt fully responsible for anakin since the jedi order as a whole failed anankin and dooku was probably already working with palpatine but we dont actually know at which point the two met so there is a chance dooku didnt meet sidious yet

@MG007.

Жыл бұрын

Lame. He should just embrace it. And become like Galen Marek

I don’t think Dooku wanted the spot, he was more suspicious of the convenience.

@thephoenix4093

Жыл бұрын

@Jiomancy true, to me dooku is just power hungry more than he lets on no wonder he joined sidious.

@luigi2018

Жыл бұрын

@@thephoenix4093 I don’t think he was power hungry. He just felt that the Jedi council wasn’t doing their job do to the senate being corrupted and hurting the people and Jedi protecting them.

@thephoenix4093

Жыл бұрын

@@luigi2018 he was power hungry though. otherwise he wouldn't try to replace the republic with an even more corrupt empire. it's even worse knowing that he's fully aware that he caused qui gon's death.

@AngelYt-xs6yy

Жыл бұрын

@@thephoenix4093 dude shut it k? He was disappointed whit the lapdogs of the council to the senate, like bro their corruption and obliviousness is way before the clone wars

@thephoenix4093

Жыл бұрын

@@AngelYt-xs6yy I take it the empire they're planning to create is less corrupt? Lol

I remember that episode on Clone Wars when Palpatine told Dooku he had to get rid of Ventress. The look on Dooku's face said he really didn't want to do that. But it was either him or her.

@hayleyyeager8008

Жыл бұрын

And yet he didn't tell her later on and then he was targeted by her and the nightsisters

@kalvin187douglas

Жыл бұрын

@@hayleyyeager8008 then she would’ve went after Palpatine and could’ve runined the whole plan of Killing the jeid

@johnnyscifi

Жыл бұрын

I know the episode!!

@johnnyscifi

Жыл бұрын

@@kalvin187douglas I'm pretty sure she wasn't aware of Sidious' alter ego...;)

@AbsurdFalcon

Жыл бұрын

@@kalvin187douglas She canonically wasent aware of who Sidious was and would have easily died if she ever went after him.

Did u know Qui-Gon was offered a seat on The Jedi High-Council, however he turned it down because he believed The Order was beginning to 'lose their way' and he also disagreed with them about The Prophecy and the importance of The Chosen One.

@simmytan4243

Жыл бұрын

Exactly..

@gabrielandjavierpinales3689

Жыл бұрын

Just like his master Dooku. He saw through the corruption in the Senate, and the council blind loyalty to them made them just like their enemies. This shows that Dooku was right he would join him.

@the1youlove940

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure a good deal of people know that

@WorldWeave

Жыл бұрын

The way I understand it, he was actually offered a seat MULTIPLE TIMES

@Skitz6969

Жыл бұрын

Qui gon jinn and yarael poof talked after Anakin was found and decided after seeing the Jedis arrogance to make the prophecy for shits and giggles. Nothing is said about the prophecy before hand.

It’s actually quite ironic seeing as how not only Dooku, Qui Gon and Anakin were similar as they were mavericks to the Jedi council but seeing Dooku and Qui Gon’s relationship of how Dooku loses it and turns dark side for a short time and then Qui Gon stops him, sort of like Anakin and Ahsoka.

@jian5568

Жыл бұрын

Where's that leave obi-wan?

@bobafett1313

Жыл бұрын

@@jian5568 I would say Obi Wan is more like Mace Windu and the other masters where he is a rule follower. There are moments where Obi Wan takes after Anakin but for the most part he follows the Jedi rules to the letter.

@s4xtt

Жыл бұрын

Actually Obi wan was a rebel too in his younger years, Dooku's disciple line always create worry to the jedi councils as they form a chain of powerful force users who rebel

@AngelYt-xs6yy

Жыл бұрын

@@jian5568 obi wan would be a wise and powerfull but still a boots licker,

@radityarading3646

4 ай бұрын

I was gonna say the same thing, the parallels are uncanny, that after being noticed, adds to the richness of their respective lores.

I wonder if the council where secretly testing them both to see who should have the seat, why else send 2 Jedi of similar rank rather than an Master and Apprentice Duo?

@LucianPosey

Жыл бұрын

It’s definitely something they’d do.

@upisntdownsilly

Жыл бұрын

huh, i kinda just assumed that they were both potential successors and the mission was to see who showed better values

@theflashseries3325

Жыл бұрын

indeed something like that is possible to happen

@miletello1

Жыл бұрын

@@upisntdownsilly that's literally what the OP said

@ThatGuy-tx4vm

Жыл бұрын

@@upisntdownsilly mace windu really was an evil person deep down. The jedi rules grounded him but he was slimy and untrustworthy. This show makes episode three even more tragic. Windu scolded anakin for wanting to be a master on the council etc when windu himself became a master because he was corrupt and dishonest. Out of all the jedi he truly deserved to die for the indirect harm that his actions had caused innocents during the years.

The thing is Dooku, Qui Gon, and Anakin shared the same trait of being unconventional to the ways of the jedi council. There's no room for jedi who see things differently. Interestingly enough, Windu says the council has their rules, but they end up having to follow the senate when republic creates an army to save the jedi in Geonosis

@matthewmann8969

Жыл бұрын

Quinlan Vos also yeah.

@whoami4352

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewmann8969 underrated Character who should have had more screen time in an the cw. And the arc of Ventress and him should have been episodes

@DavidMartinez-bm4cd

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewmann8969 very true! I tried to keep it in the tree of Master and Apprentice. The odd one is Kenobi because he sticks to the rules of the council but he is honest with his emotions and does admit to Anakin and Ahsoka that the council doesn't get everything right.

@puggoman902

Жыл бұрын

How about Ahsoka?

@DavidMartinez-bm4cd

Жыл бұрын

@@puggoman902 ahsoka is interesting. She exhibits the normal traits of the jedi and at times is by the book but at the same time was able to use the skills and teachings Anakin taught her

"We give you the rank of Master, but you're not on this council"

@whoami4352

Жыл бұрын

This is outrageous, it's unfair

The first premise is totally wrong. Mace was never a maverick, Dooku wasn't surprised by Mace, he literally says "sometimes your adherence to the rules is inspiring, sometimes it's maddening" so sticking to the rules is what Mace does. So no, Dooku was not surprised Mace was playing by the book. Which is the same conclusion you eventually came to before I finished writing this comment lol

@twinodoom

Жыл бұрын

He called Dooku a Maverick, not Mace Mace went along with everything Dooku did, even with his focus being on their orders.

@eaglesalldayable

Жыл бұрын

@@twinodoom actually he did called mace a maverick too

@twinodoom

Жыл бұрын

@@eaglesalldayable Not in the same sense. It's more like how Obi-wan went along with many of Anakin's plans while also pointing out the recklessness of them. Dooku is someone capable of working outside of the Jedi Council's orders when he sees reason to, however he chose to have Dooku take charge on these actions and refused any accountability for the actions he went along with. Mace could have chosen to blame himself for the Senator's death, failing to act quickly enough to save him, but he cast blame on Dooku's strategy. Either because he refused to acknowledge his own fault in choosing to go along with Dooku's plan against his own judgement, or because it was more convenient to distance himself from Dooku, this being left ambiguous because we see the events from Dooku's unanswered perspective. He also says that Mace *was* a Maverick in past tense. Mace used to act more like Dooku in the past, but gravitated more towards following the council's orders instead of putting his judgement above theirs. Mace doesn't believe in allowing one person to make the important calls, which is one of the reasons why he trusts in the Council and dislikes the idea of questioning authority. We don't get to see what led him to that point, and it's likely because Dooku did not either.

I don't think so. He wasn't upset that windu took the position but more of it proving his point that the Council only want people who think like them. They want someone who would rather follow the the laws the senate laid out than be "Free thinking". Like he said a creative mind is being less and less valued in the temple.

A lot of people forget that Windu literally walks the line between light and dark, so he uses rules to keep himself sufficiently under control and in the light. i dont think he had any maliscious intent, just that he didnt trust Dooku's attachment to his emotions. his greatest strength is his greatest weakness, it is what it is unfortunately. i like how his over riggidity painted a picture of how the council's adhesion to their archaic values blinded them in the long run. Sad thing is it says more about their peers than either of them.

@TagoMago2010

Жыл бұрын

You’re speaking facts my bro

@tomnorton4277

Жыл бұрын

Mace Windu is the most notable example of the problems within the Jedi Order. He's been that way ever since the Prequels and that's why I appreciate his character. George Lucas managed to condense most of the flaws that ended up destroying the Jedi into a single person. And yet there are still imbeciles who say that he doesn't know how to write. To be fair to Mace, there is one positive character trait he had that most other Jedi lacked. Self-awareness. This is exemplified by his Vaapad fighting style, which requires an insane level of self-control, so only a man who is fully aware of his own flaws can master it. However, without that self-awareness, Mace would 100% have fallen to the Dark side. He was on the verge of doing so in his final moments and you can see it in Samuel L Jackson's eyes as he tries to kill Palpatine. Mace is a brilliantly written character. I'd probably want to kill him if I met him in person but there's a lot of nuance in his personality that people tend to overlook.

@Gabu_

Жыл бұрын

And that's precisely the issue. Mace Windu is the final and most prominent symptom of the Jedi Order's failure.

Their mission was just to collect the master's body, not even to investigate which seemed to annoy Dooku. This reminds me of Anakin promising to investigate matters to Padme and Obi-Wan stating they will follow exact instructions.

I’ve always felt like Windu has been power hungry hence why he didn’t want Anakin to become a member of the Jedi council

@vasylkasra

Жыл бұрын

@@David-nq8cv Idk how.

@TheChuckfuc

Жыл бұрын

@@vasylkasra because he was balancing the light and dark in himself. He interpreted the prophesy as himself bringing the force into balance.

@AbsurdFalcon

Жыл бұрын

He didnt want Anakin on the council because he didn't trust him. Anakin was powerful but he litterally disobeys the council every other episode of TCW and is known to struggle with his emotions. Anakin siding with Palpatine was proof of him not being ready.

@KultureShock96

Жыл бұрын

@@David-nq8cv Mace wasn’t the only one who wanted to deny Anakin being trained.. He was considered “too old” at the time. Its very well known that most Jedi start training at a young age and Mace was just going “by the book” like everyone else. It wasn’t cause he was power hungry. Then later on he seen Dooku turn to the darkside. Mace learned from experience what emotions could do to you as a Jedi and only wanted to prevent it from happening again. Thats why he even told Anakin to stay back and let him deal with Palpatine but Anakin let his emotions control him. Mace is more of a strict Dad in my eyes, not some power hungry guy like people try to make him out to be.

@TheChuckfuc

Жыл бұрын

@@AbsurdFalcon that's what makes the prequels so interesting. Because you are right. Anakin was unstable. However, the jedi just kinda watched it happen. They could've put him with a more qualified master. Plo koon and kit fisto come to mind, but even mace windu could've stepped up. But they didn't. It's almost like, windu wanted to be right about anakin. Rather than letting him slowly fall to the dark side.

I think Mace Windu knew of Count Dooku's vast intellectual skills and that he could not only make a better report but also provide a more proper solution and further insight. So Mace kept him in the dark😄

@Capybara2240

Жыл бұрын

Or simply mace is following the code and simply reported the facts and the council gave him the seat because dooku didn’t follow rules

@nou3211

8 ай бұрын

​@@Capybara2240and that's why all the Jedi after episode 3 in Ashoka mandalorian ect eventually say the old council ways weren't perfect and a new way must be created

This was a great episode. It really makes that scene in Revenge of the Sith where Windu says "he's too dangerous to be kept alive " all more powerful as he realizes Dooku was right all along

3:21 I could be wrong, but that structure in the distance looks like the ones that dooku had savage raise when he first met him

I always assumed Dooku had been on the council prior to leaving for some reason. Partially because him leaving was considered a great lost and the fact that he was one of the lost twenty. I always thought that number was small so I’ve always believed that the lost 20 were just for high Jedi council members. It’s hard to believe only 20 ever left the order in its entire existence unless I misunderstood what the lost 20 are.

I think Windu was true to his character when carrying out the "by-the-book" orders from the Jedi Council. He didn't change his behavior because he thought he might get a Jedi Council seat out of it. Dooku all but confirms this when he says to Windu on their inbound flight to Raxus Secundus, "Your devotion to rules is sometimes inspiring and sometimes maddening". To me, it sounds like Windu was a stickler for the rules. Dooku even acknowledges this as a consistent (if not permanent) character trait and in that instance he's annoyed by it.

Dooku and Windu..both very relatable characters in their own ways. This is great character writing!

Someone said it on here already, the difference between Qui-Gon and Dooku is ego. Qui-Gon is a true servant of the Force, Dooku uses the Force to make things the way he thinks they should be. He might be well intentioned but just like any other being, he’s not perfect. That’s why you trust in the Force rather than yourself

@TimberlakeTigerGirl

2 ай бұрын

That's why they worked so well together and had such a strong bond akin to that of an actual father and son. They balanced each other out and kept the other grounded in reality in various forms.

I think Dooku stayed antagonistic to Ventress to protect her from Sidious

I so want to see a series based Dooku and Qui-Gon together. There is sooooo much that those two shared and how they really represented what Jedi ought to be. A lot of people failed to realized that the Jedi during the time episode 1 on up were just a shell of what they use to be. I'm starting to see why it took a thousand years, on a Galactic scale, for the Sith to win this one. Every one of them patiently waited for the Galaxy, the Republic and the Jedi to go too soft, out of touch and corrupted.

@gregharn1

Жыл бұрын

I'd settle for an adaptation of the obi wan books

@TripAces

4 ай бұрын

That's why Yoda's failure is so massive.. being alive for centuries, he above all should of steered the ship

the real question is why yoda didn’t want dooku on the council

@DomTheBartenderGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@applepie1911e Yoda is the Grand Master of The Order, and at that time he was also the Grand Master of The Council (That role Windu would eventually take) if he wanted Dooku he could’ve had Dooku

@ZackaryBiagi

Жыл бұрын

I mean let's be honest, Yoda didn't exactly always make the wisest choices when he was on the council seat. If anything, he was wiser when he wasn't in that room.

@samparsons5867

Жыл бұрын

The problem at this point is that the Jedi were too focused on images and eradicating all traces of the dark. However, being that their Jedi Temple was built on top of a sith Temple and coruscant and it's dark corruption slowly festered within the Republic. The Jedi became blind to it or otherwise they could have felt Darth sidious is present on the home world of the Republic.

@DomTheBartenderGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@applepie1911e Yoda wasn’t master of the council anymore, Mace was. He was only master of the order

@zacqueeentertainment7336

4 ай бұрын

@@DomTheBartenderGuywhat? How?

I'd like to see more mace and dooku missions . Both bending the rules

The episodes tell very interesting storylines even tho it’s short

I came to a big realization writing this post. Mace Windu saw Dooku's shatterpoint, which is consistent with the books. His shatterpoint is ego. Really, Mace cannot backstab Dooku. He was chosen for the Council because he was the premiere Jedi of his time. He followed and enforced all of the rules and his beliefs were unassailable, no matter what darkness he faced. Of course he was picked for the Council. Dooku on the other hand was flirting with the darkside regularly to destroy those lesser evil beings. Of course he wasn't chosen for the Council. But Qui-gon did have similar views to Dooku, only in that Qui-gon was a protector of the weak and innocent, and would take liberties to follow the light side of the Force, and help people. But the difference between Qui-gon and Dooku was their ego. Qui-gon did not struggle with ego. So when things did not go his way, it did not draw him closer to the darkside. It wasn't personal to Qui-gon. He wasn't forcing himself upon the situation as Dooku would and did. He stayed in the will of the Force as a servant. Dooku went forward as a Master. Mace really did see Dooku's shatterpoint.

@tomnorton4277

Жыл бұрын

Qui-Gon Jinn was always THE best Jedi in the Prequels. He was the only one who completely followed the Will of the Force without any ulterior motive, something that even Yoda didn't do. Yoda was comfy in his cushy position as Jedi Grand Master, where nobody criticised his judgement and those who did were either kept off the Council (Qui-Gon) or outright abandoned the Jedi Order (Dooku). Even those who disagreed with Yoda were very careful about how they expressed their disagreements, like typical politicians who want to stay on their superiors' good side, which was essentially what the members of the Jedi Council had become. Palpatine was right about Yoda's arrogance and reluctance to lose his power. If Qui-Gon were in Yoda's position, he would have given it up willingly if he thought it was the Will of the Force.

@zacqueeentertainment7336

4 ай бұрын

Excellent observation

@zacqueeentertainment7336

4 ай бұрын

@@tomnorton4277excellent observation

Dooku should have started his own grey jedi code

No he didn't, ultimately Mace Windu became a legendary jedi master and the champion of the order. Simply because he was a better jedi , dooku fell to the dark Side killed Yaddle and many other jedi and betrayed the jedi order , Mace never gave in to the dark and mastered Vaapad most impressively and if not for anakin betraying him would of saved the galaxy from the sith threat after he defeated palpatine. Mace came across more strict because he knew what was at stake to the order because he loved the Republic and the Jedi even more so , if you see the deleted scene with obi wan and Mace at the temple you can see the genuine friendship and respect the masters had for each other and anakin had to earn his trust .

@SciCombat

Жыл бұрын

I don't know why Windu gets so much hate, Windu is just trying to be the best he can, people always try to say that he's brainwashed when he dips into the dark side more than anybody he knows he has to keep certain personal rules and guidelines up so he doesn't fall into the darkness...........

@FriendlyBatDoom

Жыл бұрын

Exactly 💯 people just want to hate on him because he is rigid. The Jedi Order's biggest problem is Yoda according to Dooku.

@irrelevanttroll3312

Жыл бұрын

Mace is a díck though the only thing bad about him is his by the books but People have to understand that Mace Windu is literally carrying the whole council on his shoulders

@markdireen123

Жыл бұрын

Abit of a contradiction when anakin put him on the spot and anakin stated you can't he has to face trial and given correctly he basically controlled everything, if windu was so bent on the code then why did he not heed the words of exactly the same thing he preached in the tails about going rogue and following protocol even if circumstances would prove to be correct and palpatine had to be killed, dooku saw the signs and acted on what he already knew was coming before it was too late and windu had no choice but to break the very protocol that he preached to dooku and funnily never questioned the circumstances behind anakin killing dooku given anakin was atleast conflicted in doing so which counts more for anakins character and speaks volumes on how hypocritical and convenient of windu to quote protocol when it's convenient

@MELTED_Hairline

Жыл бұрын

“good soldiers follow orders” type of energy i get from this paragraph.

I fully agree with your conclusion. Exactly wat I thought.

Would have been great if we got longer episodes!! Tales of the Jedi was brilliant!!

Mace Windu spent his entire Jedi council career trolling Anakin. And look what happened as a result.

@gabrielandjavierpinales3689

Жыл бұрын

Mace was Jealous at Anakin because he believed he was the chosen One to bring balance in the force. This is why he shows distrust in him, because he was envious at him. That's why he was willing to kill Sidious to complete his obsession to prove the council is wrong about Anakin being the chosen one by destroying the Sith himself without thinking what he was about to do would cause compromises.

The words "Windu a in-house Jedi" was starting to feel like the start of some Jay-Z lyrics😂😂

Windu made it clear he wanted to follow the mission from the beginning. He didn’t force Dooku to start his own investigation. Dooku may have been right to suspect a greater plot, but Windu did nothing wrong.

@mondaysinsanity8193

Жыл бұрын

Dooku was following the force and pursuing justice The jedi way Windu was doing what hes told

Great analysis

You can see this maverick jedi nature being passed on from dooku to Qui gonn in the phantom menace where obi wan points out how qui gon could be on the council if he followed their code and he disagreed. Then they said anakin wouldn’t be trained and qui gon did it anyway, the connections are there

It was an affirmative action appointment...

I think dokku feels bad bc he literally set up qui gon to die he literally said its a threat at ur destination I can't help u with it, he also feels that same way when palps say kill ventress

Windu definitely back doored dooku

I actually do believe dooku wanted the council seat so he could try and make actual change in the order

Windu being a stickler for the “rules” would have left corruption covered up. Windu has a huge ego/self righteous attitude. The fact he wasn’t even interested why master katri was murdered even though there were clues is a big sign. Wouldn’t be surprised if he framed the report to look more favorable for himself to get the council seat

dooku didn't regard mace as a maverick jedi - I mean he literally calls him rule obsessed in that very same episodes' cold open.

I just agree I think Wendy was always the person who followed by the book. Even before he knew he was gonna be on the council

In the opening of the episode Dooku told Windu that his (and I'm paraphrasing) constant rule following was both admirable and maddening. From that, I gathered Windu was a stickler for the Jedi code. Perhaps after this encounter with Dooku loosened up Windu.

Dooku has always been eager to learn the Darkside ever since he opened that Sith holocron so it makes sense he would know the code.

I notice a pattern here. Mavericks are the most effective and beloved Jedi in Star Wars. Mace, Qui Gon, Dooku, Anakin, Ahsoka, all great characters. The squares like Yoda and Kenobi were powerful, but predictable.

are you serious he did what the jedi told him dooku did not if im being honest dooku should have been battle master not cin dralig

I just can't take the prequel journey anymore, Ill be surprised if there isn't a jar jar series in the works

I thought that dooku was once on the council and left it ? Thought I read that somewhere

I had frankly pictured the hierarchy in a different way, I would have assumed Dooku would have been an authority figure within the Order, occupying a seat in the Council.

@user-nr8pp3kc1m

Жыл бұрын

If I remember correctly he does join the council later on. Not sure how long he was actually on it but he was on the council when he notified Yoda he was leaving the order.

@juliovic.silvaar.2949

Жыл бұрын

@@user-nr8pp3kc1m It was my understanding he was a senior member of the Council, but I have not been very aware of new content over the last few years, I basically go by what I read when I was a boy a number of years ago. I am still very glad that Dooku is apparently growing in popularity.

@user-nr8pp3kc1m

Жыл бұрын

I'm not too well versed in legends stuff so you may be right. The Dooku: Jedi Lost audiobook is where the bulk of his story is in new canon. I highly recommend

@juliovic.silvaar.2949

Жыл бұрын

@@user-nr8pp3kc1m I have sadly not been able to read that book, but would surely love to. I stopped consuming Star Wars consistently in between 2013-2015, when the volume of Disney Created content had not yet gained traction.

I personally was really doubtful of this series… but it’s actually really good , and I like what they did with it. Be cool too see more and maybe others on other people too 🤷🏽‍♂️🔥

"We grant you the rank of Jedi Master, but you are not on this Council."

*Separate idea for a video: Dooku's power was comparable to Palpatine's. Palpatine was leading the Republic while Dooku 'led' the Separatists. So, why didn't Dooku look upon the chance to actually 'OUT' Palpatine as a Sith in order to score brownie points with the Jedi & have Palps removed as an obstacle? Dooku would still have an 'empire' to rule over & he could eventually start his own version of a Separatist Jedi Council that answered to him.

@matthewmann8969

Жыл бұрын

Dookus power with politics, governance, and the military was equal to Palpatines but not Dookus power in the force Palps had more powers at his disposal and more knowledge then Dooku did although Dooku may be better then Sidious with lightsaber skills and physical abilities. Only time Dooku was superior to Palpatine in power in Legends was before Sidious gained a power booster after murdering Hego during TPM Circa when Dooku was a Jedi Master after that Sidious considered himself equal in power to Dooku commenting that Dooku was strong in the force and that he considered Dooku his equal on the other camp a little while after TPM Circa after Dookus turn to the dark side he and Sidious grew more powerful with Sidious having a few miles ahead of Dooku in raw power and more knowledge and powers at his disposal yeah.

DOOKU: "How can I be a master and not be on the council?" WINDU: "Lose your seat, old man."

Dooku’s legacy is so fascinating. Almost of his student descendants (except maybe Obi-Wan) were maverick Jedi. And even Obi-Wan was very unique despite his tendencies to play things by the book.

More like Mace Two-Face! Amiright?

Like many have pointed out I don't think mace actively sabotaged dooku. He just followed the rules, which ultimately got him the seat. However, that is the issue. Both mace and the council were content to let the death go without investigation. They were content to stick to the books even at the death of a fellow jedi. Only dooku wanted actual answers. Morally, I think dooku was in the right and this put him at odds with the council. If anything it was a testament to how far the council had fallen.

I think Dooku was already out of the order when Qui-gon died. That’s why he hadn’t met Obi-wan. He simply visited the temple from time to time. And maybe he used his old master code to get in or used Sifo Dyas’ code.

@zillagrilla315

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Yeah, Dooku left the order to become a politician to help the Outer rims. It wasn't until the death of Qui-gon that he became sith.

I think Dooku felt the same way Anakin felt when he saw ObiWan on Padme's ship the dark side got stronger in him after that

Mace windu: "dooku stand down."

Mace's Ego comment kinda backfires on him after he stated that the clones and the jedi trying to imprison Ahoska for treason was *cough* "A great trial". If thats not Ego then what is.

It's all about connections and what's expected of each of us. I'm rewatching rebels after Legends and it's crazy to learn that Ezra is the prime example of what the Jedi Council was doing wrong. For everything Ezra does to be a better person, the High council would consider a fall to the darkness. Perhaps in the long run, Palpatines Empire will have made for a better jedi in whole.

He caught wind of Windu, lol

After his own book, wouldn't surprise me at all if that's really how it went down.

I'm probably the lone wolf here but I honestly think that Dooku would have taken the seat on the Jedi Council. Too many just look at how similar Qui Gon Jinn and his master are. What I'm looking at is where they are not, something that Star Wars Tales also points out. Dooku's arrogance lies in his anger at seeing how the Council is now failing in their purported mission and not following their own teachings by deferring to the Senate and, inaccurately, blindly thinking that both ruling bodies are 'clean', innocent of any real atrocities not needed. He knows who Palpatine is, a secret he has kept from his own Padawan (he thinks). I believe he originally intended to use the Council seat to throw away Palatine's mask and stop the war, at least among the planets, earning him the right-of-way to crush Palpatine and the Sith himself and gain the leadership of the Council. Unlike Qui Gon, he believes himself to be a leader. Yet Qui Gon refused the Council seat for two reasons: he knew they were being led astray into their doom and he knew the will of the Force said that he was not the one to correct this. He truly believed in the Jedi teachings that decreed above all that you should be mindful of the living force, a belief taught to him by his master, Dooku. But above all, Qui Gon knew that his master was too full of anger and arrogance to follow the practices that he preached! So he wanted no part in the Jedi Council on any level! He wanted to train the Chosen One to defeat them all and fulfill the will of the Force. I think he knew he might die when he faced Maul alone, but he also saw the way clearing for Obi Wan to train Anakin. He knew all things must balance. Still, if Dooku had gotten that seat, one has to wonder if Qui Gon would have lived. One has to wonder.

Dooku says at the beginning of this episode, "your devotion to keeping the rules is as inspiring as it is maddening." (Paraphrasing). So there was no surprise that Mace was chosen between the two of them. That aside, there is often more factors that go into a decision than one single incident. In "Master and Apprentice" Quigon was considered and asked to be on the council. Yoda voted against it. Not because he wouldn't be a good fit but simply, and profoundly, he saw a different path for Quigon. He was right. Quigon turned down the invitation to pursue that path. So it is likely that the same applies here. Consider Dukoo's path (now as an apprentice to Sidious) could have been clouded by the dark side. (Like Anakin's was)

A tad bit of a stretch, just using the word victory, even asking how someone will achieve it, does not necessarily mean they are quoting the Sith Code.

Such a huge difference a little ego can make. Dooku and Qui Gon could have been the same type of Mavericks. Except that Qui Gon never weight in the value of one life.

“Me and all my homies hate Mace Windu” he embodies the ignorance of the Jedi Order

Yes, he did. It comes across in his personality and demeanor. I found him to be arrogant, self righteous, condescending, and a bit full of himself. He likes his power and position and would ride roughshod over anyone for his own self interests.

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Yeah, no. Mace is the guy who spent his all defending the clone soldiers he initially distrusted and protect the Zilo beast since it was an endangered species. Mace follows the rules to a fault even when he shouldn’t, but he never acts out of malice or selfishness.

This is an interesting, and informative, episode; but at the same time I can't help but to wonder if Keanu Reeves could play a younger version of Dooku ?

Parallels to modern day politics. This was a reference to affirmative action and Dooku was passed up for a quota hire. Happens in law enforcement all the time.

I'm not sure if this has already been addressed but Dooku know Palpatine trained Maul? If Qui-Gon really was a son to Dooku, I don't understand why Dooku would willingingly become Palpatine's apprentice. I don't really buy Dooku plotting to overthrow Palpatine (the rule of two). I'd appreciate different perspectives if I am late to the party.

Windu is effectively one of the worst Jedi masters in terms of morales. He screwed over both Dooku and Anakin, then has the audacity to tell Ashoka that her facing a legal proceeding that could have very welll ended her life was her “great trial.” I absolute despise him.

My two favorite characters

Was this all from clone wars? I may have to watch this again

Dooku was offered a seat on the council but he turned it down.

Sure… says the person responsible for the final nail in Anakin turning to the darkside.

Actually Ashoka is an far descendent from Dooku teached methodologies…

Not only Qui gon but Anakin too

If Mace Windu has survived, I wonder what his mindset is. Is his mind shattered like Maul's was over the grief of how the Jedi Order fell and the role he played in it? I bet you he lives at wherever the ground level of Coruscant is.

I mean, Dooku had to have known that Windu was up for consideration of seat on the Council. And Dooku knew that his own maverick nature would never win him the seat. I think he was just disappointed by Windu's ambition than anything else.

5:50 And Anakin.

Dooku is the first chip in the reform of the jedi. His spirit passed to Qi Gon wich got passed to Anakin wich was inherited by Luke. The problem is the resistance 3 of the four faced made them look for tools the hedid did not have under theyr code.

No. Mace just obeys the rules and the council likes rules.

Mace Windu is a badass warrior… but when it comes to communication and taking the time to understand people and their feelings/motivations, he sucks…

Dooku wouldn't have turned to the Dark Side if he had been granted the rank of Master on the Jedi Council. So Anakin...

If you're asking if this story is out...yes

Yes

Yes, yes he did.

Windu may have been following the council, but he knew if he followed them he'd get a seat on the council. Windu was cold and sly by going by the book. Dooku got more done when he took the initiative and got justice for master Katri. This episode is all too familiar to the episode where Ahsoka was framed and Windu to Ahsoka she passed the test when he clearly knew he made a mistake and didn't want to accept accountability. It would seem as though leaving the order like Ahsoka is the way to in the starwars universe instead of putting up with the council or the sith.

@Julian-pw5mv

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I dont understand how people assume mace comment of this was a test, to ahsoka is him not accepting accountability. Its clearly him saying, wow you went through this tough test by proving your innocence, you have shown great skill, wisdom and perseverance by going through this and have hereby shown you are ready to become a jedi knight, so we accept this ordeal as your jedi trial.

@joshuasitzema9920

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@@Julian-pw5mv I think it's just the Hedi trying to cover their rear instead of admitting they made a mistake. Hubris killed the jedi order more than the clones did

Honestly after watching all the episodes, I can see why Dooku switched sides. He was for the people just like Qui Gon. He believed in justice. The jedi order only served justice if told by the senate. A lot of things led to his turning. The jedi submissiveness to the senate and the rich. Mace Windu getting a seat on the council for doing the bare minimum and basically bragging to Dooku about it. Qui Gon death was the final push.

What if Dooku or Qui Gon became council members

"In house Jedi" i don't like the way that sounds🤨

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It's weird how so many fans constantly try to make Windu the bast guy when he's one of the best. He just has a personality that doesn't accept excuses and second best. It's like you were raised by helicopter parents, bosses, coworkers, and stay in some kind of bubble to whom you interact with. People in the prequel age (2000s) understands people like Windu. What I saw was Windu did not like Dooku's tactics and he made that known to the council upon his return. The council decided not to approach Dooku about it, as is the tactic they've done on a lot of important things (Anakin killing thr Tuskens a huge one). Yall need to chill out. I understand he's Black, but you lot take the criticisms of Black characters way too far at times.

Do you think we'll get a figure of Jedi Dooku?

Mase was Dark mean and arrogant

Lol 😂my guy has 0 brain cells if he thinks mace had stolen anything

Can I just say that Duku used to be a handsome lad😂