It's not like it's a creative trick in any way. It's just "nice 180, wonder if I can do a 360" and so on. How can you "steal" something as simple as "I'm gonna spin, but MORE"

@TheRealFogger

7 жыл бұрын

exactly!! its not like he landed it first and tony claims that he was first or something like that neither.. he's just pissed that he hasn't landed it earlier! I would be too but come on.. be stoked for skating not for fame!

@phrobozz

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Vert was so over the top/ridiculous by then, they were literally doing anything they could to liven it up. Airs just kept getting bigger and bigger because there wasn't anything left to innovate, they'd already done it all.

@DIMITRI546

6 жыл бұрын

I hope ya try something hard that y’all love and somebody else comes and takes it from you , ban you from trying itand takes credit 🤷🏾‍♂️

@claytonbrown7120

4 жыл бұрын

RitualREDRUM No dummy

@bigchungus9880

4 жыл бұрын

I understand what you are trying to say but the trick is really hard

Did every skater ever steal the kickflip from Rodney Mullen? 🤔

@sebastianclark5220

6 жыл бұрын

This logic is fucking stupid jesus christ anyone that thinks this is relevant is stupid. Doing a kickflip is a lot different to the first person landing a big trick for the first time in competitive skateboarding, get real...

@arcrius4

6 жыл бұрын

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Just because it's a bigger trick used in competition, doesn't mean it was stolen. Landing a trick simply relies on skill and technique, and Tony clearly excelled in both.

@sebastianclark5220

6 жыл бұрын

Yes let's avoid the fact pappas was denied even attempts funny that all that happened 🤔🤔

@Christopher-pf8qt

6 жыл бұрын

Actually, the kick flip was a trick from the 70's. I think ty page invented it. The OLLIE version, in which you don't hook the flipping foot over the edge was the much later version. So too the 'shuvit', originally called the 'ty hop' because, well, ty page invented it.

@telly115ify

5 жыл бұрын

aleksi sk8 great point

How the hell can you "steal" a generic spin trick? Spinning more is a simple idea. Anybody could think of it. What matters more is who managed to pull it off.

@PolarisCastillo

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah and you don't even have to "think" of it. It's already there, you just gotta get to it.

@randystidham3783

2 жыл бұрын

you send people to RECORD your trick! did you miss that point or are you just stupid?

@scotthughes7440

Жыл бұрын

Spoken like a clueless moron who cannot understand context

Tony Hawk stole my lunch money

@d4c467

7 жыл бұрын

Paddy O'Lantern TONY HAWK TOOK MY JERB!

@Bobzabolly

6 жыл бұрын

Paddy O'Lantern damn

@Mr.BruiseYourGutts

4 жыл бұрын

@@d4c467 were you missin tree fiddy

@ohalistair

3 жыл бұрын

It was about this time that I noticed Tony Hawk was about eight stories tall and was a crustacean from the Mesozoic era.

Tas's story is kinda tragic. I feel like if his brother didn't go down that bad path and commit suicide, they both would've moved on and been considered some of the greatest ever. Sad how things happen sometimes. RIP to Ben and hopefully Tas is doing well these days

So they had entire events based around TAS landing the 900, he couldn't do it, Tony did it, TAS did it 15 years later... No, he didn't steal it.

@kostasrubtsov6633

3 жыл бұрын

Tas did it on a mega ramp.. it's a lot harder to do it on vert

@aoichannel3724

3 жыл бұрын

@@kostasrubtsov6633 vert it's much harder. Because on Mega ramp gives you alot of rhythm, speed and the ramp is too big, okey. And alot of tricks makes possible to land on that. Just watch how motorcycle on it. ☺

@gremsa

Жыл бұрын

@@kostasrubtsov6633it is also much harder if you're 15 years older

@kostasrubtsov6633

Жыл бұрын

@@gremsa 100% agree with you.... except Tony Hawk did the 900 again more than 15 years later... about 2 years ago

Tony Hawk stole my Bagel Bites.

If Tas had landed the 900 like a few days or a week later in '99 i would somehow see his point. But he needed like 15 years(!) to land his “stolen” trick on a damn mega ramp! It’s so ridiculous!

@ADownerKitty

6 жыл бұрын

he was in jail for that time could only skate flat occasionally so 15 year break then come back to 900, im lucky to kickflip after a week of not skating

@UNCLEBILLYTEE

6 жыл бұрын

ADownerKitty I was about to say the dude went to jail, if he had the opportunity in the moment, he lands it!

@theflyletmepetit

6 жыл бұрын

Plus you burn bridges doing drugs. So explains all the bad blood when trying to back his story up. Especially with his brother killing his gf. Probably didn't want his image anymore.

@kab00mKap0w

6 жыл бұрын

He was only in jail full time from 2008-2011. After that he got released on weekends to skate.

@joeyportia6476

5 жыл бұрын

ADownerKitty And How is that Tony Hawk’s fault? Tony Hawk didn’t put Tas Pappas in jail. Tas Pappas shouldn’t have tried to smuggle cocaine. Tas shouldn’t be blaming Tony Hawk; he has only himself and the drugs he used to blame.

If you land it first, it's yours. That's the way she goes boys.

@Nmzc

5 жыл бұрын

T Sterling yeah but that not the case, Papas just wanted a chance to try in that comp and they not invited him

@gorillabraudcast474

5 жыл бұрын

Idonno that big stair gab boulala tried then jaws stuck. Boulala still got daps right

@gorillabraudcast474

5 жыл бұрын

Another example of a junkie inspiring some jock to make something big happen

@gorillabraudcast474

5 жыл бұрын

It's the same principle in music. Some drugged out dude like curt Cobain starts a movement then dies off then all the little pussy pop stars with childstar haircuts swarm in like vultures. Or in this case like a hawk.

@larrybird364

4 жыл бұрын

@@gorillabraudcast474 lmao you sound like a idiot, tony was famous and rich before the 900. Pappas was a nobody

He wasn't in the Xgames Best Trick because he spent the entire season trying to land 900s at every best trick contest but never landed one so he didn't qualify to compete at Xgames! He was just shit-stirring 'cos he's bitter that he threw his career away to drugs

@josefsteiner9163

4 жыл бұрын

For real

@spuuuuuz

2 жыл бұрын

Yep

@markbradley5355

3 ай бұрын

Big yup!

I find it interesting Tony Hawk “stole” the trick from a guy who has still never done a 900 on a half pipe. Just saying.

@HEYitzED

2 жыл бұрын

@@GTFCEO When you don’t use proper punctuation, you’re really not one to be talking. Also a big difference between autocorrect fucking up and not knowing how to spell.

@HEYitzED

2 жыл бұрын

@@JakeKoenig yes. X games 2003. Either way. Still counts with a hand drag.

Are you saying the guy on drugs had the story wrong?!

@MrPacker1234

6 жыл бұрын

Someone’s a sour pussy ^^

@theflyletmepetit

6 жыл бұрын

I'd beleieve a junkie over Tony Hawk anyday.

@MadManDan

6 жыл бұрын

RitualREDRUM how come?

@theflyletmepetit

6 жыл бұрын

MadManDan because a junkie you can tell when they are lying. Tony is a professional liar. He wouldn't of made it anywhere in skateboarding if it weren't for his dad at the beginning.

@danlford

6 жыл бұрын

RitualREDRUM you're so frickin insane. Tonys dad didn't ride his board for him. If you're that good at skating and keep yourself in check., you know not running through airports with thousands of dollars of coke in your shoes, or skateboards ,then you are going to make it. I bet you can't even pump a mini ramp while you talking shit about a legend and one of the best skaters to ever drop in a vert ramp. Tony made millions and you're a butthurt hater. And guess what. He don't give a shit what you think. You and I are nobody's.

The only real "controversy" would be if Tony and/or ESPN purposely kept Tas out of the best trick contest. The idea that the trick was "stolen" is stupid. If that was the case, then every street skater on the planet stole from Mullen.

@armandosoria7993

7 жыл бұрын

cberbes true!

@bl1ndr

6 жыл бұрын

tas is salty, he didn't even land a 900 ever on a normal sized vert ramp

@mikeyseibert1406

4 жыл бұрын

Agree 100

@Erik-xd1tf

Жыл бұрын

@@bl1ndr there is still the question of espn and x games keeping tas out of the best trick 99. i mean cmon he was one of the best at the time and not letting him participate because of bad image and tony being a buisness man with a good image is not that far away. They just needed a poster boy to make money

@theera5145

3 ай бұрын

he was ranked 8th at the time and they only wanted the top 5 @@Erik-xd1tf

The fact that Tas didn't land it for another 15 years and even then, on a Mega ramp, surely puts this to bed? Even if he had been in the best trick contest it seems unlikely he would have made it.

@woodnbikes

Ай бұрын

Well he lost his father, brother and was also in prison for 6 years. I was stoked for him when he finally landed it, He was trying it alot in San Diego. It would have been awesome seeing him and Hawk going shot for shot for it at the X Games,,,,

Tas had a ramp and a camera. He should have landed it first if he could.

@josefsteiner9163

4 жыл бұрын

It would not be in comp so it would not have matterd

@okccitizen4400

4 жыл бұрын

josef steiner not true.

@ElMoShApPiNeSs

3 жыл бұрын

@@josefsteiner9163 Skating isn't the same as other sports' records. Doesn't matter if it's in a comp or not, if a skater landed a trick first they landed it. It just happens to be that Tony landed it during that event (which btw was past his time limit anyway).

@josefsteiner9163

3 жыл бұрын

@@ElMoShApPiNeSs yeah it was past his time limit but everybody extended his time limit and let him continue skating so technically it was still within his time limit because everyone with him continue his time

I think the people that side with Tas Pappas on this don't understand that you can't really make or break a career based on a single trick. It might get you 15 minutes of fame, but real success comes being able to constantly push the boundaries of what can be done on a skateboard. When Tony Hawk landed the first 900, he had been skating professionally for over a decade and by that time he racked up many new tricks, contest wins, video parts, sponsors, and even had a video game in development. Any trick is kind of a drop in the bucket at that point. Sure, Pappas wasn't the first person to land the 900, but he also wasn't the second. Instead he got addicted to meth and went to prison.

@emilandersson91

7 жыл бұрын

Riley Kadidlo What gets you famous is circle jerking with ESPN. Hawk hss shown us that.

@MrSimondaniel3

7 жыл бұрын

+Emil Andersson Tony Hawk was famous in 1986 when i was 9. so no you're wrong. Riley is completely correct. TH is famous regardless of the 900.

@rielbertrand8255

7 жыл бұрын

Riley Kadidlo The Pappas bros invented a bunch of flip tricks in the vert ramp while doing it with style. check out there parts. really sick. hawk was the first to land the 900. Its really too bad the Pappas bros went down the wrong path like many people before them. Im sure we would have seen more great things from them if they didnt.

@chrisarnold123

6 жыл бұрын

hawk is consistent never pushed boundaries. most boring commercial skater ever

@tomjuhasz326

6 жыл бұрын

You obviously did not skate in the 80's

Did Hawk STEAL the goo?

@kobalt_ren01

7 жыл бұрын

Zanzibane There's a mystery waiting to be solved.

I think that Tas is, unfortunately, like a lot of people that get messed up on drugs, they can't accept personal responsibility for their own actions. It is also similar to a star high school football player that never accomplishes anything after high school, they get hung up on their one successful time in life and can't move on. Tony Hawk was successful before he landed the 900, the video game was in production before then, for instance, but obviously the mainstream coverage made him much more noticeable. And jealously is a thing. I for one don't believe that anyone at ESPN was knowledgeable enough to even know athletes' names at the time. And just went by contest results for placing. But if there is any truth to it, maybe they didn't want to promote an addict on such a big stage?

@RByrne

6 жыл бұрын

Gary Thomas like Al Bundy and his 4 TDs in one game.

@VengeanceCore

5 жыл бұрын

tas was on the show in the normal comp before the big vert ramp that i think tas won. And tonys wife plays a very big part in ESPN, and tony knew tas was going to do the 900 on the big vert,

@Nmzc

5 жыл бұрын

Gary Thomas at that time everybody knows thats Papas was trying 900.

@712Menzies

5 жыл бұрын

You got no idea champ!!

@Nmzc

5 жыл бұрын

@@712Menzies kzread.info/dash/bejne/qHygt5OHY5C4n8Y.html

I don't understand why people have to try and take away from Tony Hawk. I feel like he's been really good about giving credit where credit is due and giving back to the community and bringing the spotlight to the whole sport as well as other skateboarders. Really, he seems like one of the best things that ever happened to skateboarding. Why does anyone feel the need to discredit him?

@flimosh3768

6 жыл бұрын

He has even spoke about how he was always pushing for people to land the 900 so it would be over. He had been trying it for so long it became the go to thing to yell at him at demos and shit he never cared enough about being the first to land it.

@umlbp

6 жыл бұрын

Tony and Andy had so much class and skill (not to take away from ALLL the OG's) that although ppl can be very different off camera, I never felt they intentionally lied and they genuinely cared for the sport. So much that if it was something to diminish said sport they weren't with it. I'm apparently stealing walking while talking from whoever did that first. its laughable, but I do kno how Tas felt. imagine wanting a 8 lb newborn and no matter what it was always under. then a guy you kno, who skills his way to what he wants, gets a 8 lb baby 1st. you'd be crushed but that's not your baby bro...

@orwellmushaikwa2591

6 жыл бұрын

Lol, nice analogy XD

@jonnidark1986

Жыл бұрын

he's a nerd and a jock at the same time. that's why

@TheDemonGamerOfFleetStreet

Жыл бұрын

I'll tell you one good reason why people are a bit ehhhh poo poo, it's because didn't his dad have something to do with the actual early events or a judge or something? I can't fully remember now what his dad was doing but it was something along those lines. I like Tony Hawk and I like skateboarding also it's a good sport, but don't you kinda agree that it's a tad ironic that Tas Papas was planning on going for the 900 and then on that very day out of the many Tony pulls it outta his back pocket to try for it? Tony Hawk must have known he would be or could be in trouble had Tas pulled the 900 off and I honestly believe that Tony knew and beat him to it to get rid of the opposition. Tas was dangerous on vert ramp he just had obstacles in his way unfortunately. Apart from that they are both great skateboarders and both deserve a mention of course maybe one more than the other but still that's what I believe....that TH beat TP to the punch on that one, it was the only trick that really threatened him.

Here’s the reality. Tas has done a shit-tonne of pretty hard drugs, drugs known to ruin people’s lives and minds. Drugs known to distort the reality within the minds of people who have taken them. I followed Tas extensively during the 90’s and watched he and Ben become the best vert skaters in the world. I did this because I’m Australian and the local magazines covered them as they became better and better. I would’ve liked nothing more than Tas making the 900 before Tony (even though im a big TH) fan. But Tas’ claims that Tony ‘stole’ or modified situations to Tas’ detriment are nothing more than the delusions of a heavy drug user. Reformed or not, you never come back from that rabbit hole once you’ve dug it. Sorry Tas. But you’ve been spiralling. Aside from that; the film was one of the most powerful I’ve seen. The tragic trajectory the brothers took is absurdly upsetting in so many ways. RIP Ben.

@TheRedCurbs.

Жыл бұрын

You don't know what you're talking about stfu

“We’re doing pretty well in the 90’s” - buddy they were number 1 & 2..

I'm looking at this from the view of a non-skater. And the way I see it is how would Tony Hawk steal the 900 when all the 900 is is a lot of spinning? If you think Tony Hawk stole the 900 then everyone stole anything above a 360 spin when someone discovered you could spin while doing a trick.

@JohnnyHikesSW

6 жыл бұрын

Robert Rossignol yeah no you can't steal a generic spin

@bradmurray1736

5 жыл бұрын

The thing is it that it was tried a ton of times and really hyped as the next milestone in skating. It wasn't just one more spin.

@gcg8187

3 жыл бұрын

@@bradmurray1736 Regardless you can't steal it. In fact just like you said since everyone was looking forward to it you can't steal it right?

@BadMoonRising92

2 жыл бұрын

Because some drug addict is angry that his life didn’t pan out more like Tony’s. Tony is super rich, super famous. Everyone knows who is, even people who have never touched a skateboard. Not even sure how he can claim he stole something he himself hadn’t even accomplished yet . in his warped mind he probably truly believes Tony “stole” the trick.

Tony hawk is too chill and busy to sabotage drug addicted skaters.

@arminlucasbombardier9721

5 жыл бұрын

bullshit you it seems perfectly logical to steal a trick off a drug addict, why because no one will believe the drug addict and tony saw a good opportunity to get away with it, besides tony hawk gets no air what so ever when he does it and does a full revolution by sliding and spinning down the ramp like a sess slide!

@snakebake24

3 жыл бұрын

ArminLucas Bombardier how can u steal a trick?

@vlogsbyjenn303

3 жыл бұрын

Tbh tas papas is way better then tony ever was and if may b Ben didn’t screw up tony woulda stay third in the world 🥱

@bjarczyk

3 жыл бұрын

@@vlogsbyjenn303 Silly.

@rhianallan1661

3 жыл бұрын

The Pappas wipe the floor of hawk, two crazy Aussies... Thats how it goes my bros

I believe Tony, I think he's shown over and over again he's a solid honest all around good guy

@gorillabraudcast474

5 жыл бұрын

This is an interesting argument. I know dudes who were am for fury that were in adds and Tony never paid them

@nicelyput299

3 жыл бұрын

How old was the baby when the good guy went off with another bird?

@nathancroft5839

2 жыл бұрын

@@gorillabraudcast474 ams don’t get paid

@Erik-xd1tf

Жыл бұрын

Maybe Xgames and Espn needed a poster boy and not a „rockstar“

The evidence is plain and clear. Tos is mad he didn't land it first. And that Tony landed it after already having a great run.. That is literally how it went.

Hey Rad Rat, do you know anything about the sack tap air, they're on the Tony Hawk video games, but Bob Burnquist does one to fakie in Menikmati, do you think he was the first one to do one and do people think it's a circus trick?

As Tas says at the beginning of the documentary: 'There's 3 sides to every story... my side, your side and the truth.' I take a lot from that

@wornoutshoes11

5 жыл бұрын

The secret smiles... Then it meant pappas is lying coz his side aint the truth... Obviously.

@gcg8187

3 жыл бұрын

Don't look too deeply into it bro just watched the video in front of You right here

The story sounds like when multiple people go for a world record in something. When one person gets it, everyone involved in said record feels or could feel like it was taken from them.

The whole movie is infested with lies, they talk as if they were Hawk's #1 rivals and when they'd normally barely make the top 10. It's nothing but a bunch of nonsense.

@grimsadventures-bikesnpetr7913

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly 100%

the whole 900 controversy is the most infuriating shit ever. Practically every post i've seen relating to Tony since has misinformed idiots screaming how they know the truth because they saw one biased Netflix documentary. Just 5 minuites of research on the subject completly debunks any claims that Tas made. Good videos dude.

@theflyletmepetit

6 жыл бұрын

Barnaby Jordan i know the truth vecause i was there. I seent it! Tonys daddy always saves the day at competitions. If you go back and watch clearly Tony wasn't the better skater in so many of them and it was so stiff, with no style. Just ugly

@gcg8187

3 жыл бұрын

@@theflyletmepetit watch the video fool

"There are 3 sides to every story. Your side, my side and the truth"

Nice video man. Keep up the great work! Have you thought about playing the THPS Beta's and maybe comparing the development through to the finished product? There is a lot of great content to be had there. Thanks for your hard work mate. Looking forward to more!

So I realise this is a fight over who performed spinning to a revolution of 900 whilst airborne on a skateboard but who invented spinning? That's the real story....

@Youtube.Commen-tater

2 жыл бұрын

Tas did, after smoking half a gram of tek 💫🤣💨

May I ask, where do you manage to find the footage of all those old school contests? Aside from X-Games's AOL video library that went down in 2005, I wasn't able to find any other source.

@michaeldeluca6331

3 жыл бұрын

Apparently no, you may not ask

Hey Rad Rat, is there any way I can purchase one of those Rad Rat logos like the one you have behind you? I'm a big fan of your channel and the information you deliver and would love to support you somehow!

@RadRatVideo

7 жыл бұрын

Not yet! I'm hoping to get some merch going in the future though. Stay tuned!

@alexhardy-tylim2053

7 жыл бұрын

Rad Rat Video Sweet! Looking forward to it! :)

Should have been who would have landed the 900 first in the xgames Having him not in best trick purposely to take out competition is considered a sellout to me

I'm pretty sure Tas got kicked out of events because as the video showed he was a drug user and didn't have his life together and Tony Hawk being the guy he is and never gone that way in his life didn't want someone like that at his events. If I was running an event and the guy showed up wasted or under the influence of something half the time I wouldn't want him there either especially if you're trying to make it a family friendly event. I think Tas is just butt hurt over not being the one to land it and like anyone who's a user they always find some excuse for why they use in the first place. History doesn't lie and we can't change it just because we want to. Funny how 20 years later damn I'm getting old lol, and we are still talking about it. Thanks and have a great day.

@arianjames2856

3 жыл бұрын

Mate he never made an excuse for using watch the documentary it's about how he and his brother got into heavy drugs because of the party life they were living from there fame and how it got ben killed and in jail for several years not about how he got the 900 stolen from him and in this video you can see that he wished that he didn't add that to the documentary because That wasn't the point of it

I watched the documentary on KZread. At first I was like “holy shit!” But then the skeptic on my shoulder started telling me to investigate the claims. I did and found out most of the claims made in the video were bunk.

Bruh as a skateboarder, you cant steal tricks... saying that tony hawk stole the 900 is like saying that every skateboarder stole the ollie like wtf... skateboarders take eachothers stuff and add their own stuff then release it back to the community, which as a result brings the skateboarding community to a new level...

Why did I read that as “ Did Hawk steal the goo?”

You can't just land a 900 on command so it's not just like he stole it.

I think there definitely could have been a lot of ESPN bias towards tony hawk, pushing him to land the 900 as opposed to another. When Tony jumped into the water at the Xgames years before they said anyone who did that would get disqualified, but he won the event, so I think there was so much dick riding that it might have been out of tony hawk's control, but it doesn't mean that he wasn't robbed.

@misfitkitchen9114

7 жыл бұрын

James Mayer he jumped into the water after the time on his run was over.

I love how Danny Way's 900 attempts were always somewhat vertical.

@bjarczyk

3 жыл бұрын

His looked awesome. Sucks he was never able to stick it.

I feel like he "cheated" by using the megaramp to do the 900 lol. It's obviously gonna give you more speed than a normal half pipe, which is where Tony did it.

your content just keeps getting better! keep it up

TAS never claimed in his doco that Hawk had anything to do With his exclusion from the comp. He said he had been in all trick comps for the entire year then suddenly gets told he’s not in it. He was keen to go head to head with Hawk on the day under pressure.

Off topic and I've been out of the scene for so long, but what's up with older companies like Blind, Alien Workshop(Rob bought them), 101, Plan B....all those hot 90's companies? Vid on them?

It's almost as sad as his brothers story. Man spends all his energy trying one trick, but his obsession with it, and his increasingly unstable lifestyle blackballed him from events to attempt it. Bitter he creates a conspiracy in his head about how it was stolen from him. Even though people had been trying ot for years. As far as I see it the only way to "steal" a trick is A.) You see some no name guy do it for the first time, throw it in a video, and never credit them. B.) You see someone's video part wear they nail it, and then do it and realease it first. B isn't even all the way stealing since it could proven who did it first. You're just greasey for paoching the initial hype. "You don't steal tricks you land em" and what not.

Love your channel, I binge watch all your episodes.. love seeing all the nostalgia of everything you review

I mean, I kinda understand the idea of there being a particular technique that one guy came up with to make it possible, and maybe jacking that technique. But until you land it, it's just theoretical. It'd be like if some dude in the 70s thought "if I flick my foot off the side of the board, it would flip over" but never landed it, then claimed Rodney Mullen stole the kickflip from him.

First thought after seeing the headline was "how the fuck do you steal turning?"

tony hawk stole christmas 🎄

Hey Rad Rat do you have any info about Corey Sheppard? What does he do now, is he still skating? I saw him in the Blind What If Video but there isnt much more footage of him anywhere...

@MilkSteak23

7 жыл бұрын

www.muckmouth.com/back-in-the-spotlight-3 its a few years old but they have stuff on a bunch of skaters you don't see anymore.

@SimonB.

7 жыл бұрын

thanks!

love your videos! keep up the great work!

Hey rat thanks for all the cool videos. Can you do a video on some of the popular street skaters who lost their career to drugs and alcohol? Also i love the history videos on the companies and mail order 90s companies. Thanks again

happy to see this in my feed. i really enjoy your videos. more controversial topics! Keep it up!

dude every time i see your videos in my recommended i gotta watch

I get the feeling that the documentary people had it in for Tony hawk

What ever happened to the trick "Rocket Air"? That trick has literally disappeared

@zanehubay2483

7 жыл бұрын

A few people do it here and there, Alex Sorgente does them and I think I've seen Tony Hawk do them, but I think people see that as a circus trick

@lca89

7 жыл бұрын

Zane Hubay True true but I don't get why tho smh I remember when Tony Hawks underground came out and that was a huge trick for like 2 years and next thing you know it's out of style or something I dunno I guess people just like the fancy flip tricks these days

@blake8675

7 жыл бұрын

I remember Danny Way backflipped one. It was mindblowing.

Yes he stole spinning in a circle.

Bullshit. Tony Hawk never claimed to have invented the 900. He just did it.

update: Tas had every opportunity to land it B4 that event...so Tony gets my trphy award...

I recall reading a 1990 issue of Transworld or Thrasher covering the Muenster contest, with people claiming Danny Way landed a 900 in practice.

@kohinoir7202

3 жыл бұрын

I've heard of that too but it sounds unlikely. Way was still chasing the 900 along with Sluggo, Zattoni, Hawk and Pappas in the nineties. Had he landed it back then he would have been the first to call out Hawk in '99 or every year since. Way's humble but not *that* humble

I grew up in LA in the 80's when skating took off. The culture of skating at the time was very much "lets do rad tricks". Skaters were constantly challenging each other and learning from each others.

I thought the thumbnail said 'Did Tony Hawk steal the Goo?" Lol

I'm sad for Tas but Tony did not steal anything and he's not responsible of Tas issues. Tony is not his nemesis.

Ah yes, Tas, an utter Legend. Just a shame that his life fell off a cliff so early and of course, that Ben died, its just tragic. Good to see Tas is doing better now.

"History goes to the Victor". Tony landed it on camera. End.

5:30 "Busky Lasek"

@my667thgoogleaccount7

3 жыл бұрын

Tomny Hawk, Rob Burnquist, Busky Lasek...

Giorgio Zattoni landed a 900 after only a mounth or so...Tas Pappas makes it feel like he was the only competior Tony Hawk ever had, wich is bullshit. In all those years Tony Hawk was the only guy who reminded in a interview that Giorgio Zattoni was working on the 900 too. Giorgio Zattoni was an amazing Vert Raider but you wont see him in JEff Grosso's loveletters or hear anyone who remember about him regarding the 900. That's the real shame.

Just sounds like bitterness that he got beaten to the punch.

5:22 So … were they selected by a selection committee or base on their “vert ranking” (whatever that was)? If there is such a ranking and the top 5 were selected, why would you need a committee? Does not sound convincing to me …

Short answer: No. Long answer: No, but with more accusations and drug use. TLDR; No.

Tas Pappas, never trust a junkie, Hawk nailed it first.......

In the video Tas was taking the Mick when he said " Didn't Tony Hawk's wife work at ESPN? Didn't he like own ESPN??" You can tell he was just taking the piss he wasn't saying they were facts. And yeah it was totally weird how he was in EVERY trick contest except that one...

@johnmeehan7884

3 жыл бұрын

You mean how he failed to place at e every prior best trick contest, so he wasn't chosen for the big one because he didn't perform well. There, I fixed it for you. It's called the truth.

"Busky Lasek" lol

great vid! you're like the skateboarding apologist now! Those stories have pretty sensational claims, people do stuff like that to get attention and their name out there.

Great vid. Keep up the good work Rad Rat

In a 1990 Thrasher article covering the Muenster contest, a few people claimed to have seen Danny Way land a 900 in practice. Way didn't deny it, but he didn't want to talk about it either. On youtube you can see him actually try a 900 in his contest run. The spin was going well but at the 720 mark his feet came off his board for whatever reason.

Whether or not Tony did something sketchy is impossible to say for sure. However, the fact remains that he actually landed it. Even if Tony banned Tas from the event somehow, he still had to do the difficult part of actually landing the trick. There's no way Tony could've 100% known he was going to land it at the contest. Same as Tas, even if he had skated, there's no way he can definitively say he was going to land it then and there.

tony hawk is tony hawk but those pappa's brothers lifted the whole game from a spin with maybe a verial to full blown flip tricks on vert

Hey Rad Rat, do you know of any female skater youtubers/vloggers? Another great video.

i read the thumbnail as "did tony hawk steal the goo?" and was like wtf

love your videos!!

Dude... You can't "steal" something like the 900, it is a spin move! Nothing original! If that was the case, then whoever did the first 360 stole it from the first guy that did a 180 right?! And then someone does a 540... And so on...

No one said he stole it. The controversy is if tony prevented Tas from competing in the best trick contest. People don’t seem to get this

you read it here first: the 1440. i came up with that its my trick, i dont care that snowboarding has been there for years, i dont even skate anymore but the 1440 is mine and dont you dare steal it from me

hey rad rat, really thought provoking video! Would you consider doing something on tech vert skating/skaters (colin mckay etc)? as this area of skating dont get much exposure, i mean when vert gets talked about its always the big tricks and big names , like mr hawk. cheers man.

@vgrepairs

7 жыл бұрын

ruffdisco84 1 That's a great idea! I second that! underground vert skateboarding legends or underrated pros!

@RadRatVideo

7 жыл бұрын

I love tech vert stuff. I'll see if I can come up with anything.

@ruffdisco8412

7 жыл бұрын

cool man, be good to see what you can come up with.!

@derekrok7107

7 жыл бұрын

Jake Brown's "What If" part is a must if you want a tech vert part. The dude only grabs his board like once or twice the whole part!

@ruffdisco8412

7 жыл бұрын

yeah man watched it , sick as fuck, forgot about jake brown till you said.

A trick that is just a continuation of an already established trick (that birdman established) cannot be stolen.

just remember back then things were SHADY AS FUCK and i mean SHADY AS FUCK you dont know who to believe

Imagine someone landing the quadruple backflip for the first time and someone else claiming "he stole it from me"

@ryucaro

3 жыл бұрын

ɢɪꜰᴛ "I tried it first, it is mine" so fucking stupid

So weird, I just watched the documentary last night, wake up to see this in my feed. Rad Rat, are you spying on me?

Wow vice gets called out again on not telling the truth... Who would have thought

no, it was Tony, the Illumanati with an assist from Dick Cheney that stole the 900....there is no way Tony could have done this alone!

Tas could have pulled the 900 at any time in someone's backyard, filmed on VHS, and it would have counted as the first 900 ever landed. Thus making this all a moot point. But he couldn't do it before, nor for many, many years after. And when he finally did land it, it was on a mega ramp which gave him tons more hang time to pull the rotation. So what makes him think he would have pulled it on that particular night at Xgames? The hype from the crowd? Maybe, but let's be real. I don't think he's even pissed that Hawk did it first. He's pissed that he didn't garner the fame and money that he may have had he landed it under the same circumstances that Hawk did at the Xgames. Tough shit. Pure greed. Karma's a bitch.

@kohinoir7202

4 жыл бұрын

On top of that Pappas was actually in the same competition in 2000 and 2001 and didn't land it then either. And that's just two competitions from that era I happened to find on youtube. There's probably more. Funny how the documentary left those out...

is that a spelling mistake or is " buckey " Lasek name spelled Busky Lasek?

If tony hawk stole the 900 from Tas does that mean that Tom Schwar Stole the 1080 from Shaun White?

Great video! Thanks for your research!

I really enjoyed this. Great job man

New to your channel love it! Do a up date on Kareem. I remember a rumor at my high school that he died this was in 2003. Not true clearly.