One of the most hilarious myths about the Titanic I have ever heard was one I was told by a coworker. They said that the boilers got so hot that it caused the hull plating to fracture due to the temperature differential with the ice cold Atlantic water. In other words, the extreme heat inside and the extreme cold outside made the hull plating crack and caused the ship to flood. I asked the question "How come that didn't happen to any other boat, like the Titanic's sister ship Olympic?", and they had no answer.

@ChickVicious237

Жыл бұрын

I've heard that as well. "Poor quality steel, cutting corners..." Nonsense

@theminingassassin16

Жыл бұрын

@@ChickVicious237 Yeah. This company that was known for making the highest quality ships in the world cut corners on one. No others, just the Titanic. Makes about as much sense as applying a band-aid to a bullet wound.

@ThZuao

Жыл бұрын

There was a theory that a fire in the coal bunkers caused the steel to weaken. There really was a coal fire in one of titanics bunkers, but it was reported extinguished way before the iceberg collision. Also, I heard from a doctor on MatSci during my first year in college that the steel wasn't of poor quality, they just didn't know about the brittle-ductile transition temperature back then. It's been 12 years since I heard it. Don't think I ever had classes with that teacher except that one introduction to mat sci presentation. Drachinifel points out that yes, they knew about brittle-ductile transition temp since they started putting steel armored warships to sea.

@BigBoiiLeem

Жыл бұрын

@@ChickVicious237 a materials scientist I know who is also a bit of a Titanic nerd actually cleared this one up for me. Because of the immense size of the Olympic-class ships, and the fact that both Olympic and Titanic were being built at the same time, Harland and Wolff's normal rivet supplier simply couldn't make them quickly enough. So, another company (whose name I forget) was brought on to make more rivets, and their process was a bit sloppy and introduced more slag into the rivets than Harland and Wolff was aware of. This slag increased the brittle-ductile transition temperature, meaning some of the rivets (I believe it was only protruding rivets that had this problem) under the waterline were becoming brittle at a much higher temperature than they should have. This means those rivets could have failed below their specified tolerances when the ship glanced the iceberg.

@ChickVicious237

Жыл бұрын

@@BigBoiiLeem ah thank you, that is interesting

The thing that bothers me the most is when people claim how fast she sunk, or how some event accelerated the sinking like the coal fire, it doesn't change the fact that she was one of the longest to stay afloat after suffering critical dammage. People called her unsinkable and she damn well belived it too. Not only did she take nearly 3 hours to sink, she sank gradualy and damn near unnoticable for the first hour. She stayed on an even keel and didnt start to roll untill after she broke in two. She maintained electric lighting until nearly the end, dim as hell but better than nothing as the steam was eaten up by venting and progressive flooding of the boiler rooms. She was a very very well designed ship for her time, it was corperate burocracy that killed most of those passengers.

@shaynewheeler9249

7 ай бұрын

😢😢😢

@stormisuedonym4599

6 ай бұрын

"as corperate burocracy that killed most of those passengers." The last lifeboats were floated off the deck. They didn't have time to launch enough lifeboats, even if they'd had them.

@shaynewheeler9249

6 ай бұрын

What if Titanic burning oil instead of coal

@friendlyreptile9931

5 ай бұрын

@@shaynewheeler9249 Nothing but this difference -.-

@Firemarioflower

4 ай бұрын

Due to the incompetent crew@@stormisuedonym4599

For what its worth, I have done a lot of scanning of negatives to convert film photos to digital. A smudge like that could simply also be a fold in the film. This happens quite often if you are scanning film. As the film is rolled after use it might take on smudges in some places before it is developed.

@washingtonradio

Жыл бұрын

As Mike also pointed out, it could be an artifact of lighting on that day. Multiple boring causes for the "shadow" that have noting to do with a bunker fire.

@sabretooth1997

Жыл бұрын

Because as we all know, no old photographs have any smudges on them. Or reflections, as it may well be.

@jameschandler3308

Жыл бұрын

But the fire did happen, in fact, they shifted the coal to the port side which many say, and it makes sense, that it bought titanic more time and why she list to the starboard side so much with the oncoming water, like a counter balance..

@skipads5141

Жыл бұрын

Wet exhaust and salt water cooling instead of using a radiator and Prestone are extremely commonplace. Cold water continuously flows around hot exhaust manifolds. As long as you don't suddenly dump raw water on a very hot engine, it maintains an in-between balanced temperature. Not exactly rocket science.

@beverlyarcher546

Жыл бұрын

@@jameschandler3308 except where the smudge is is actually the cargo hold section not the coal storage where the fire started that happened at the first funnel

Thank you Mike, not just for creating entertaining videos, but for fighting garbage journalism put forth with no scientific research. I put this up there with the "Egyptian Mummy Curse" as far as ridiculous theories put forward to captivate people. Appreciate you making this so easy to follow.

@CPorter

Жыл бұрын

I remember in a book i read called "1000 questions about Titanic", which featured a lot of the questions on the cover and back of the book wish you could find inside had one that said: "Is it true there was a Dragon on the Titanic?" I searched through the book probably a dozen times to try and find it, but I could never find anything about it or even a mention of it in the glossary. But the fact that some dunces out there actually asked that is pure insanity. It's like a bright side video.

@Unownshipper

Жыл бұрын

@@CPorter Methinks the publisher just ran out of legitimate questions and came up with random bullshit for that book. 🤤: "Is it true there was a Dragon on the Titanic?" 🤨: "...no. Fucking no! What kind of dipshit, dumbass-"

@harrietharlow9929

Жыл бұрын

@@CPorter 🤣🤣Sorry just the thought of bright Side's videos on Titanic crack me up. I probably should cry because the comments from the commenters are as ignorant as the videos. I am so grateful for videos that give rea. information and answers. After having researched the ship and her people for a quarter century, I am still amazed at all the misinformation out there.

@jonathanhill3668

5 ай бұрын

Can’t rule anything out.

@RealityAlwaysWins

4 ай бұрын

Yes, the media is awash with falsehoods and intentions of taking people's money, We all need to be careful, and not believe everything we're spoon-fed.

"Conspiracy sells..." Thank you for clearing up those conspiracies so that we all get a clearer picture of what actually happened to the Titanic that night!

@chillpengeru

10 ай бұрын

It's hardly a conspiracy theory, actually not at all, it's just a largely unfounded alternative theory to the traditional narrative.

@Firemarioflower

4 ай бұрын

Yeah sure, just like how the break-up was an 'alternative theory' for decades.... SMH@@chillpengeru

I am a blacksmith. I work with coal and steel all the time. You say at one point that the steel would need to be "900°f to even glow red" I would argue that number. It needs to be hotter than that to glow red. Now to be fair I do NOT use thermometers or such to get the temperature of a piece of steel. We go by the color. At what is called a gray heat it is 1000°f it is gray in color and not glowing at all not until the temperature reaches between 1100°f & 1200°f do you get color, we call this blood red because it is a deep dark red color like blood. So the bottom line is I do agree with what you are saying here, that the fire was not hot enough to do damage, it needed to be much hotter. I doubt that it made any difference at all. It would depend on if the plate was steel or iron, steel would have gotten a very tiny bit softer (therfore explaining the worp that was reported) but not fragile, it would have been more malleable (if any changes at all!) So hitting it with something hard like an iceburg may have dented it but it would not break it. Of course a lot of this depends on the type of steel, or if it was iron. I do not have nearly enough information to do much more than speculate , but I do know steel and coal. Oh one more fact I can put a piece of steel in my fire and go on my lunch break with no danger to the piece of steel other than keeping it warm. Without me forcing O² into the fire, that piece of steel will not even glow a little. I personally have my doubts that a fire in a coal bunker did ANY damage to anything other than burning up some coal.

You'll never de-bunker my respect for your meticulous research and knowledge, fellow Australian.

@aGlitchintheSystem2014

11 ай бұрын

good one

I always assumed that 3d class had it bad, but I completely forgot about all the coal shovelers in the boiler rooms. All that heat and back breaking labor for those few days, then to be the first to drown in massive water pouring in is quite depressing. Rip to those gentlemen.

@iiiSK8orDI3iii

10 ай бұрын

Just some hardworking guys trying to make a buck. Really sad when you think about what their experience was probably like

@budwhite9591

5 ай бұрын

Had it bad? 3rd class has running water, bathrooms and electricity- 3 things I doubt they had elsewhere in the world

@fartking2845

5 ай бұрын

@@budwhite9591 You're right. Especially Portland Oregon. Homeless people everywhere.

@ole5539

4 ай бұрын

What? socialism doesn't pay.@@fartking2845

@BoringJester

2 ай бұрын

The stokers were some of the lowest paid on board but their work shifts were organised well despite the intense labor involved. Approximately 20% managed to survive and assisted in the rescue operation. Some of those who weren't as fortunate displayed heroism by sustaining the boilers to aid the rescue efforts. It's frustrating to see the portrayal in the 1997 movie where officers sacrifice stokers and close doors on them, with the stokers banging as if trapped. In reality, the engine rooms had multiple levels with catwalks and ladders, and the stokers could simply climb out through a watertight hatch at the top and seal it shut behind them.

Someone enlightened me on an earlier comment that I left and I found out that the steam being released is what caused Marconi operator Jack Philips to barely be able to hear incoming messages during the sinking. Once again, I applaud that man for all of his efforts that day.

Once again Mike gives us a great video on the Titanic this channel never gets old and I hope that these videos never stop

@shupperd49

Жыл бұрын

Dude so many other channels already discussed this year's ago 😂

@deadshotdaiquiri1662

10 ай бұрын

@@shupperd49don’t sound like mike to me

I interviewed Tim Maltin for a paper I wrote on Titanic in college and it was about this very topic. He responded to my email the same day I sent it. Dr Maltin set up a phone interview and talked with me for 15 minutes or so. We talked during his morning tea, which meant that I as an American had to be up at 3am to take the call, but it was completely worth it. One of my greatest regrets is not taping that conversation

What I do appreciate is you animating Titanic's slight sailing list to port due to the emptying of bunkers W and Y! I only just learned about it very recently, and found it to be supremely interesting! I had heard that a bunker had collapsed during the sinking, and just kinda accepted it, ready to be proven wrong, but, without being proven wrong, including it as part of my story. Now that it has been proven wrong, I stand corrected! A wonderful video! Thanks so much! Always glad to see BS like this disproved!

How do the social media fundamentalists allow such a sensible, realistic channel to continue existing? Thank you immensely for your carefully considered analysis and reason.

Once again I learn many new details about the Titanic from you. A particular detail I was not aware of was the steam vents on the funnels. Now I know why in the 1997 'Titanic' there was a deafening roar in one or the scenes as they started loading the life boats that stopped suddenly.

@joshstanton267

11 ай бұрын

I've heard what pressurised steam can sound like working on a dairy factory construction site, the engineers were steam purging all the stainless piping. It was louder than a Boeing 747. Class 5 ear protection didn't do anything.😂

@goldfing5898

10 ай бұрын

Yes, this is a great scene right after the other great scene (Thomas Andrews fatal damage report to the bridge). I like the noise of the steam and then the sound of the gears of the davits being turned using cranks in order to prepare the lifeboats. This shows that despite the desperate situation, they will not give up and fight for people's lives.

Probably the only things that actually made the ship sink faster that night was the open gangway door on D Deck. (If it stayed open or wasn't sealed properly by someone trying to close it during the sinking) And the open portholes.

@bradsanders407

Жыл бұрын

Portholes being open had about as much to do with the sinking as me pissing in my toilet this morning. It was in the lower 30s /upper 20s. You really think people had their windows open?

@Yassified3425

Жыл бұрын

@@bradsanders407 I mean ice feel through open portholes into a few cabins when passengers were airing out their cabins so yes.

@MrChopsticktech

Жыл бұрын

​@@bradsanders407 Of course they did. They didn't leave their rooms immediately when Titanpc stopped, and we have no idea how warm their rooms are.

@harrietharlow9929

Жыл бұрын

@@MrChopsticktech I believe that there were issues with the heating that night. Some cabins were extremely hot, so passengers would have opened their portholes to rid their cabins of excess heat.

@harrietharlow9929

Жыл бұрын

Gangway doors were opened in order to offload more passengers into the life boats, as per the officers' orders. Unfortunately, the boats opted to row away rather than board extra people from the gangway doors.

So, I feel dumb. 😅 For a long time, I thought the coal bunkers were built into the side of the hull of the Titanic, not along the bulkheads. I don’t know why I thought that, but seeing your illustrations actually makes a lot more sense. Anyway, I appreciate your measured and reasonable explanations of maritime disasters. After watching so many of your KZread videos (and a fair number of other ship-related videos), I had a chance to watch a Titanic documentary done by NatGeo or the History Channel or someone like that. Holy cow, it was so over-dramatic and clickbaity that I had to turn it off after five minutes because the tone grated on me so much. If that’s what a “professional” documentary is like, I will happily choose the so-called “amateurs” of KZread any day.

@stevie.dx1710

Жыл бұрын

I so agree about YT. Real content from passionate creators like our friend Mike.🚢

@sabretooth1997

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. "Amateur" producers such as this channel (and many others) seem to have the ability to dispense in 5 minutes the info that something on a cable channel takes 40+ minutes. Not to mention having to rehash everything after every ad break and seemingly never getting to the point.

@mike-mz6yz

Жыл бұрын

this was actually something that was really common for ships that could be used in combat, the Lusitania for example had them on the hull (obviously didnt help her). It was thought the coal would act as armor for the ship.

@mike-mz6yz

Жыл бұрын

@@John_Bristol it was really common for any ship that had gov involvement. They thought coal would act as armor for torpedoes.

@turricanedtc3764

Жыл бұрын

@@John_Bristol - Not the way I understand it. On Mauretania and Lusitania, there were watertight bulkheads through the longitudinal *centre* of the hull as well as transverse bulkheads similar to those used on the Olympic class. This was because both ships were built to Admiralty specifications (a condition of the British government granting Cunard funding for the development and construction of both liners) with the intent of their being requisitioned as armed cruisers in the event of war. As it happened, after WW1 did break out, it quickly became apparent that vessels of that size were completely impractical in the armed cruiser role and after a few months of attempting to use Mauretania as such, the idea was quietly dropped. Getting back to the subject at hand though, as I understand it, the thinking at the time (in the first decade of the 20th century) in terms of naval architecture was that the greater amount of watertight subdivision available to the vessel, the greater the ability to restrict flooding to a smaller area. This difference in approach was obliquely mentioned at the Mersey Titanic inquiry, but was not probed to any significant extent - undoubtedly some shipbuilders at the time considered that H&W/White Star might have missed a trick there, but with 20/20 hindsight the attack upon and subsequent sinking of the Lusitania revealed the limitations of those shipbuilding theories which might have become apparent had more weight been given to Edward Wilding's submissions. Specifically, what the Titanic disaster showed was that damage over even a relatively small amount of physical surface area could prove fatal if multiple compartments were affected - the accepted "worst case scenario" at the time Mauretania/Lusitania and the Olympic class were designed and built was a collision (or in the Admiralty's case, a mine or torpedo strike) at the bulkhead between two compartments. It should be pointed out that the Olympic class allowed for four compartments at the bow to be breached - well over and above the assumptions of the time. What the attack on the Lusitania revealed was that if more than two compartments were open to the sea and the longitudinal bulkheads contained the flooding to one side, the loss of lateral stability would be both rapid and catastrophic and the vessel would be more prone to capsizing than would have been the case had those longitudinal bulkheads not been present.

I am really looking forward to the new website. New to the world of maritime history and I am HOOKED! I appreciate your passion so much!

@shaynewheeler9249

Ай бұрын

😢😢😢

Thank you so much for this great video! I always despised the whole "Titanic Fire Caused Sinking" myth because it was always so ludicrous to my mind. The ship was not thrown together like stuff is nowadays. No, great care, skill and craftsmanship went into that glorious ship. It's why the men of Harland and Wolff who built her were so terribly devastated when news of her sinking reached them. I'll always remember the testimony given of one of the shipbuilder's family. He likened the loss of the Titanic to the loss of a cherished family member. Sure doesn't sound like a project rushed together with corners cut every chance they got.

@harrietharlow9929

Жыл бұрын

You're correct. Harland and Wolff was considered to be a reputable, competent shipbuilding firm and it was due to the skill and care the designers and workers put into the design and construction of their ships.

@Historyfan476AD

11 ай бұрын

This comment hits harder now, knowing how slapdash, uncaring constructing has cost the lives of five people.

@valkyriedd5849

11 ай бұрын

How naive you are. Explain replacing steel with iron both for the bulkheads and the rivets. The workers may have been proud but the owners, designers and managers cut corners.

@justinebautista1383

11 ай бұрын

@@valkyriedd5849 They really didn't

@valkyriedd5849

11 ай бұрын

@@justinebautista1383 Oh but they really did, and Harland and Wolff's original documents prove they did.

You should do a video debunking the Titanic switch theory, the one that says that Titanic was not really the Titanic but was the Olympic.

@dovetonsturdee7033

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter how many times that nonsense is proven false. The fools who believe it will continue to believe it, simply because they want to believe it. Facts and evidence are irrelevant to them.

@stormisuedonym4599

6 ай бұрын

Myles Power did a series on that crackpot theory. Those loons pushing it are getting really desperate.

Mike, thanks for clearing up this coal fire theory - it would be so easy to absorb new theories like this and take them as actual facts. Your knowledge and infinite research on this tragedy is both trusted and respected, i’m sure the original designers, engineers and builders would also thank you for maintaining their names up on the high pedestals where they truly belong.

There were also articles adding onto the fire theory that Titanic was facing the other side "undamaged" by the fire to hide the fact that there WAS a fire and that people were told to keep quiet about it. It seemed logical when I first saw it, but not so much now. It's also good that you touched on what the shadow was likely linked to because I hadn't read anything on what that could've been previously. Berrett I believe later changed what he recalled that night to something much less dramatic.

Saw the notification and without missing a beat clicked on it because I love your stuff that much continue the great work mike😊

Life is so much better having Mike Brady as a friend 😊

Thanks for debunking this theory. It always seemed a little farfetched to me, but I didn't know enough about the Titanic's inner workings to explain why.

@alisonmanifold2933

Жыл бұрын

That’s exactly it!! 😅

I follow a wide range of KZreadrs/topics, but you’re consistently one of my favorite ones. Really enjoy your videos

What’s sad is that considering that most people aren’t interested in titanic to the point of researching, many people continue to believe and state false facts made by the media for clicks.

Great video! Spontaneous combustion in coal is often caused by water reacting with iron pyrite (iron sulfide) which can make up a few percent the weight of the coal. When the pyrite gets wet and is exposed to air, it gets hotter and hotter as it reacts to form iron sulphate. Left unchecked, it can then ignite the coal around it. Pyrite is a serious problem for underground coal mines to this day.

@kylemccullough3495

11 ай бұрын

yeah, i had a town about 3 hours away from my house. I stress the word HAD because they leveled the town because of a coal mine fire that has been burning out of control since the 1960s.

@jasonlong2809

11 ай бұрын

​@@kylemccullough3495sounds like Centralia, Pennsylvania

@kylemccullough3495

11 ай бұрын

@@jasonlong2809 yeah, I was trying to avoid saying the towns name l, but yeah, it's Centralia.

Unverified and incorrect information is burning uncontrollably on the internet. Thank you for your input

A brand new video, and just at the end of Titanic week! Cant wait for the livestream later tonight, Mike, and as always, an excellent video!

Mike, this vid filled in so many gaps from past stories. Great use of Titanic ship drawings to really help tell the story. Great job.......

'presumably "not on fire"...' Mike, you get me every freaking time. Why can't they all be like you. Pure gold mate... pure gold

Awesome Mike !! Another great productions. Your videos are all straight to the point and full of factual information. I found you on here by accident a few years back, now i look forward to each new video, keep up the good work

Thanks Mike for another interesting video. I had heard of the fire theory. I am pleased that you have sorted it out for me.

Has anyone considered the possibility that the smudge in the photograph is, god forbid...a smudge..?

@dovetonsturdee7033

Жыл бұрын

Careful now! Molony made a lot of money out of his nonsense, I expect.

Videos like this are the exact reason I defer to experts. Anytime the news suddenly explodes with some new big, flashy discovery I find someone that I know I can trust to tell the truth before I buy into it. I might get hype about it, but I won't believe any of it until I hear from someone that I know won't sensationalize the discovery for clicks- even if it means being a bit of a "spoil-sport." I love watching debunking videos because I love knowing the truth. Thank you for getting videos like this out there to combat the sheer amount of misinformation out there!

Behind a local estate of elderly bungalows, the place where for 30+ years the houses at the back had been dumping their fire ashes down the slope. Someone set fire to the grass and "wind bushes" on it. It burnt out in an hour. 2 days later it will still smoking. A week later it was still smoking. 2 weeks later and cherry red burning embers could be racked out of the ground. It was burning for a month before eventually 3 fire engines came out, hooked up to the water mains and setup springlers in addition to about 5 hoses. It took them 3 days working at it 8-10 hours a day. It even rained for 2 days straight and it didn't go out. Eventually with the help of a JCB they got down deep enough to get it to go out. It was literally just about 2-3m deep in old fire ashs and unburnt coal.

Hi oceanliner designs. I’ve been obsessed with your channel and the titanic for so long, I’ve become such a nerd on it but I love it, thank you mike.❤

I was waiting for you to comment on this subject, Mike, and it was worth the wait for you did not disappoint. I like many pages on youtube but subscribe to very few. With this video, I officially subscribe to your page for I do not want to miss any future videos you have instored for us. Keep up the good work, Mike.

YES!!! I have been wanting to see a video like this for months. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

Mike, I sure like your channel as you present such interesting and well-documented stories. I spent my career sailing on oil tankers, retiring as Chief Engineer on a very handsome steam-powered vessel. Your varied material is fascinating while being told in a lively, attention-holding delivery. Very well done, indeed. Keep it up.

I'm still amazed at how this ship has so much interest, as for the number of deaths, the Wilhelm Gustloff sank with the loss of over 9000 souls, but because it was wartime, I doubt it matters. The victims were mainly casualties, and refugees, it had anti aircraft defences, but little else, so was not a fighting vessel. The Titanic still seems a small loss of life compared to the Wilhelm. Love your content, Mike ,keep them coming.

@dovetonsturdee7033

11 ай бұрын

Gustloff was an armed auxiliary warship, carrying troops & U-boat crews as well as refugees.

@jakecavendish3470

11 ай бұрын

I agree, it is quite odd how much people seem to talk about the Titanic given what occured was far from unusual and she wasn't even an especially unusual ship in terms of the spec

@m1co294

5 ай бұрын

​@@jakecavendish3470 one statement I've read on another video is that if the disaster never happened at all, the Titanic would've simply faded off into obscurity and the Olympic would be the ship we'd all be talking about, of course as long as the Titanic never would've rammed any German submarines nor have encountered any rogue wave large enough to have given it a 50° list. People talk about the Titanic because: 1) she was the largest ship in the world at the time 2) she was brand new, straight from the shipbuilders on her maiden voyage 3) the horrific loss of life and the fact that it directly led to many maritime safety regulation changes and of course 4) because it's had many appearances in literature and media.

Another awesome video. Thank you, Mike. Have you ever thought of writing a book about the Titanic?

Clear concise, and very informative. Really enjoy your pieces on Titanic.

Great vid Oceanliner Designs Thanks for setting the record straight.

Great video Mike! I had completely forgotten about that media blitz since I've always heard about the coal fire theory, usually running alongside the poor steel quality. Speaking of Titanic fires, there was also a rather fanciful thought posited years ago about how the first class smoking room fireplace emptied its contents as the ship plunged, setting the room ablaze. Even if the Titanic's stern floated after the break up, she would've burned like the Morro Castle. Looking forward to seeing the updated website!

@tobyray8700

Жыл бұрын

This is such a great channel. I love the history lessons.

Great as usual! The “bunker fire bulkhead failure” idea was earlier in the Charles Pellegrino book “Ghosts of the Titanic (2001)” - among many of his other interesting but speculative theories. If I recall, Pellegrino also tied the impending fire danger to JP Morgan supposedly taking his artwork off the ship, and the desire to get to NY early in the darkness so waiting fire engines would not make as big a scene.

@paveloleynikov4715

Жыл бұрын

Fire engines?! What they supposed to do, lower them into boiler room via derrick crane? Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Titanic's fire fighting pumps capacity were pretty comparable with FDNY available resources of the time, or even outgun them.

@johnwatson3948

Жыл бұрын

Good question - but many of the authors speculations don’t really stand up on the surface much less in the details. Though Pellegrino was an associate of James Cameron he had some trouble when the sensational details in his book on the Hiroshima bombing turned out to be fictional.

@SofaKingShit

Жыл бұрын

Well at least the upside is that whatever the extent of the fire it did undoubtedly eventually extinguish at some point.

@Richard-dc5he

Жыл бұрын

Bunker fires were quite common at the time, generally extinguished by removing the coal. No fuel, no fire. They generally weren't considered a risk to the vessel, more an annoyance - both due to the cost of the lost fuel and having to transport coal further instead of using the nearest bunker as intended. Of course, the crew would have standing orders not to mention it to the passengers, so as to avoid creating panic.

Thank you!! Loved to hear your thoughts on this as I am just obsessed with the titanic. Thank you!!

I absolutely love your Maritime videos ❤️ new to the channel super excited

Excellent video. You seem to know the layout of the Titanic, inside and out, how you would plan your escape if you were abroad.

@canuckprogressive.3435

Жыл бұрын

Go to the side were Murdoch was loading boats. He did not discriminate against men.

My late father was one who was taken in by the fire myth and possible name swap with the Olympic. It would have been interesting to see his view on this video.

You put it so well. And yes always take what you hear with a grain of salt do your own research and figure out what seems correct. Don't go searching for that specific thing because you wont find a differing opinion always look at every perspective and look at the facts before making the fast judgement. I see so many making snap beliefs about the Titanic before they even take the time to look at diagrams, deck plans, photos, and first hand accounts. Good on you for doing that research and putting it in a nice bundle for us to understand. You run a truly great channel.

I just found your channel and I've learned more in a few videos than all of the information I've learned throughout my life. I was about 8- 10? when I first learned about it watching the movie "A Night To Remember" around 1970ish(?) and I've been hooked ever since. Thank you for your concise information and videos. I look forward to watching even more content.

Oh no, he's gone the route of the red-circle-and-arrow thumbnails! :0 (Fantastic breakdown, though! Loved it a lot 👍)

@MiSSYx8

Жыл бұрын

So us laypersons know where to look!

@oceanlinerdesigns Here is a future video idea. I would love to hear your thoughts on the flooding in BR 4. I read an article recently which argued that the iceberg damaged the hull at BR 4, but in the space between the stokehold floor and the tank top.

Another great video with some good research involved. Thanks Mike! Keep it up!!

I’m glad I found this channel… unfortunate situation that brought me here… I really appreciate your excellent work!!

Once again Mike, You present in you own inimatble manner an excellent video. love your expressions, clear delivery, excellent diction and entertaining material, all facts. You've certiankly doen more than most to keep this vessel and her sister ships alive for posterity. Just keep on keeping on.

@moaningpheromones

11 ай бұрын

*inimitable . . . and the other piss poor bs

The fact of the coal fire has been known all along. And yet, this is not mentioned as a reason for the ship to sink in the investigation after the sinking. So it was not a factor. And Titanic stayed afloat much longer than expected - Britannic, which suffered a similar damage due to a mine capsized and sank within half an hour. While it took Titanic almost three. There was unfortunately no chance to save everyone aboard the ship and due to a misguided "Women and children first" policy some of the lifeboats were not even filled. The fire was certainly a nuisance for its engineering crew but on a steamship I would assume it was nothing out of the ordinary.

I really enjoy your videos. They are a wonderful mix of information, visuals and humor. Thank you for the time you take to make them.

I love your last line! Another fantastic video!

I did quite enjoy Senan Maloney's documentary, I do always enjoy documentaries about Titanic whether they are ridiculous or not. It does piss me off though, when 'experts' say that the rivets were weak and H&W were using sub standard materials. Seeing as Olympic had a wonderful career and was made of the same stuff as Titanic 😂😂

@madziutekj

11 ай бұрын

Olympic had 2 crashes and had many problems also

@overpoweredsteamproduction513

5 ай бұрын

@@madziutekjmeanwhile Elon musks teslas catching on fire

This video is what the world needed! Now we can finaly show this video to all the people that think the fire sank the Titanic. But honestly this is a good video :D

@TheSpaceEnthusiast-vl6wx

Жыл бұрын

Very true. The video is very concise and straight to the point.

Your videos are so important... thank you very much!!!

This was excellent Mike, thank you!

Thanks for another well crafted video! These theories get sensationalized and detract from the full and very complex story of the Titanic. Like any engineering failure, there are multiple contributing factors; some are more or less impactful than others. Interesting to note, the redistribution of coal due to this small fire may have had beneficial effects on the ship's stability during the sinking, counterbalancing the initial inrush of water. When presented with some of these theories about brittle steel or coal fires, I recall Dr. Ballard put it correctly and bluntly when he replied that the Titanic sank for one reason only... a collision with an iceberg.

@MediumRareOpinions

Жыл бұрын

I think its lost on many that had almost any other ship of older construction hit the same Berg it would have been lost so quickly nobody would survive to tell the tale. It's a testament to the quality of its construction that anybody survived at all.

Ello mate love your content keep up the good work

This is a very well done video. You’re very professional and I hope you continue to grow your channel.

A great video Mike! I remember hearing about this.

Mike hit us with a dad joke 😂😂😂

Mike! I have a possibly stupid question, that probably in reality would only cause a matter of minutes to be saved or lost but: If the fire hadn't happened, and the bunkers W and Y were full of coal, is it possible the sheer mass of the coal in those bunkers would have slowed the amount of water able to enter through the bunkers for a time? Maybe even producing enough resistance to prevent the bunker doors from collapsing sooner? I know it's probably only a few minutes we're talking about here as the ship was already doomed, but it would be interesting to know if that would change anything, if they'd gain time, or lose time (Because without the fire the doors would likely have been open theoretically meaning nothing was stopping the water before the door/bunker wall collapse?)

@daveroberts7295

Жыл бұрын

Think of the coal as a pile of particles, like a bucket of sand. Now add water to that bucket of sand and you will add fluid to about `/3 the total volume of the bucket. 30% of the sand is void space. Ok the coal would include a mix of sizes but loosely dumped in it would not be compact, I might give it 20% void space but think I am understating the amount at that number. So lets run with 20%, and assume that this void space is interconnected ,just like in the bucket of sand. So the answer is no, the coal would not impede the flow of water in any sense. In fact as the void volume is only 20% at the same rate of filling the coal bunker would actually fill more rapidly filling to the outside waterline quickly and create a hydrostatic head against the bottom of the bulkhead significantly faster. The volume of a coal filled bunker has to take on 1/5 the volume of an empty bunker before the water reaches equilibrium with the outside as coal already fills the bunker.

Well done Mike! Great video! Once again you bring us back to reality with facts and thoughtfulness. Thank you as always!

Actually that poses the question: If the Coal Bunker W would have been completely filled (or at least mostly filled) with coal, would the coal have taken up enough volume, such that the incoming water would not have had enough volume i.e. weight to destroy the bunker walls and the ship could have either stayed afloat much longer?

How would damage above the waterline have any effect on the sinking

The iceberg, obviously. But the reason was not because of speed, although it would have helped if they were going slower. Nor was it lack of binoculars, any of that. It’s a known fact that the air temperature dropped precipitously when the ship crossed into the icy current moving southward. With ZERO wind and a mirror-like sea, a layer of frigid air caused a mirage-type effect that reflected the starry sky but hid the base of the iceberg. By the time they saw it, it was too late. THAT was the cause.

@paulrichardson5892

5 ай бұрын

but he didnt slow down after all the warnings ?

@brianmcgauley2664

5 ай бұрын

@@paulrichardson5892 Actually, it was common practice to go at speed at night because visibility was good enough to detect anything I to avoid it…or so they thought. The Titanic’s rudder was sized a little to small as well, which contributed to the problem. Like I said, it would have helped if they were going slower, but it was the highly unusual mirage effect that is the most dominant factor.

Thanks Mike for this good vid- I really never though the smudge photo theory held much creedance. Even just using mental lines, you can see the smudge doesn't line up anywhere NEAR BRs 5 and 6. Also, your joke at the end was gold

I still can’t get over till this day how that was built in 1912. Such complicated designs!

I’ve never been interested in recent marine history or ships (more in the Uluburun and Cape Gelidonya range as I’m an archaeologist), but I randomly came across your videos and I’ve been really enjoying them! Really great production, narration and research. Thank you for putting stuff like this out! You might have done so already (still making my way through your content), but if not, I would love to see a videos on the SS Californian and on J. Bruce Ismay. From what I have read and seen of historical records, both are subjected to a lot of unfounded (in my view) anger and blame because of the narratives created by movies and other popular media. For instance, I’ve read about the role that poor regulations on wireless communication and the failure of Titanic to send the correct rocket distress signals played in the Californian failing to assist on the night of the disaster. And with Ismay, the popular narratives painting him to be a greedy, hubristic (re. Lifeboats) and cowardly (since he didn’t go down on the ship) man, when there’s little evidence for this. Again, thanks for the great content!!

@glittery_cucumber

11 ай бұрын

You randomly came across this channel because Titanic videos are being pushed by the algorithm after the Titan submersible disaster.

Wonderful job, Mike. Maybe you can help the community debunk another theory which implies that Titanic lost a propeller blade when it hit the iceberg? Some claim that the starboard propeller blade is missing and there's a whole rabbit hole that goes real deep and I was hoping you would consider looking into it. Love your stuff, keep it up!

@leon419

Жыл бұрын

The biggest misinformation that no one seems to even try to correct is the fact that Titanic reversed engines before striking the iceberg, even some of the more recent documentaries still include this. Actual fact, Titanic stopped engines and didnt reverse them, with 30 seconds to impact @ FAOP with nightwatch on duty in main engineering, you might get the browns engine warmed up and just started switching the MASSIVE changeover valves to vent exhaust steam directly into the condensers so you can stop the central turbine for the center prop and start winding down the wing props, which in itself would be a chore since Titanic's inertia would keep those props spinning at or near close to full ahead.

@frederiknielsen6038

Жыл бұрын

@@leon419 Another claim made by people who have no idéa how ships engines works. I sail on container vessels with modern diesel engines, and I'm fairly certian that we would not be able to go from full ahead to astern in 30secs, at least not without causing damage to the engines. So the idéa that the command to stop (or go astern), if given, would in any way have time to take effect is ridiculous.

@leon419

Жыл бұрын

@@frederiknielsen6038 I red somewhere on a reddit page a diesel engineer explaining what it would take to go from FAOP to full astern, I dont remeber the entire process but at one point as your winding down the props youve cut the fuel and started blasting air pressure into the cylinders to slow them down and get them spinning in the reverse direction, as they are spinning up in the reverse direction you cut the air pressure and start feeding fuel, its at this point you can hgear an alarm you dont normally hear, called the wrong way alarm, Essentially inertia has caused the props to start spinning the other way again while you got fuel feeding to the system, so you cut fuel again an reintroduce air pressure to start them spinning the other way. Not sure if i got it totally correct bit its what i remeber. Essentially the entire process would take significantly longer than what Titanic had.

@frederiknielsen6038

Жыл бұрын

@@leon419 Your description of how we stop and start / change direction on the engine is correct. We do indeed use compressed air to get the engine turning before fuel is injected. But I need to point out that the issue you describe where the engine starts to spin in the wrong direction happens because of drag on the propeller. The water flow past the propeller starts to turn it and as it is directly connected to the engine, the engine turns as well. But this is a general problem ships face, and has nothing to do with it being steam or diesel engines.

Thanks for doing a debunky type video, would love to see more! I know that most theories out there aren’t true but I don’t have the knowledge of exactly why

I'm new here. I really enjoy your vids...it is the perfect balance of technical facts and engaging exposition.

Titanic despite all the theories is still the ship that went beyond the duty it was built for at her given time to stay afloat more then was expected of her

@patrickbarnard680

Жыл бұрын

Yet if The Great Eastern, a ship built over fifty years prior to Titanic hit that iceberg in the same circumstances, she wouldn’t have sunk. She suffered far worse hull damage when she hit rock in 1862 and all it did was cause a slight list to starboard. The gash was 85ft by 5ft BTW. In fact, the only safety feature that Titanoc shared with The Great Eastern was the twelve transverse bulkheads. But even there, Titanic's only went up to 3ft above the waterline. The Great Eastern's went up to 30ft up.

Matter of fact, the coal fire likely is one of main reasons the Titanic stayed afloat as long as did, indirectly at least. To help put out the fire, they moved about 300 tons of coal to the port side of the ship. The extra coal being on the port side kinda acted as a counterweight to the flooding from the starboard side prevented the ship from capsizing

Great vid as always! Would be cool to see a video with you talking about Tim Maltin’s mirage theory

Great video. Thank you!

Sounds to me like your one of them conspiracy theorists… are you telling me coal fires can’t melt steel beams bro??

Thank you Mike for the very thorough explanation. I am thoroughly convinced the fire conspiracy is just another way to kindle the story but had very minimal impact on the situation. I don’t think the design engineers of this ship get enough credit and too often take the brunt of the blame for her sinking. All investigations have taught us otherwise and one thing is for sure that Titanic was a well built ship by all measures.

@washingtonradio

Жыл бұрын

What most forget is any steel ship can be sunk if enough water enters it somehow. There were design flaws with the Titanic but overall she was a well-built ship for her period. Also, we need to remember what engineers knew at the time and not impose our later knowledge on them. If she were to be built now, she would have many design changes because we know more and we have better idea of what not to do but that us imposing hind sight on Andrews and the rest of the design team unfairly.

@stormisuedonym4599

6 ай бұрын

@@washingtonradio It's worse than that. If the _Titanic_ had followed procedure and hit the iceberg head-on instead of trying to maneuver around, she most likely wouldn't have sunk. And we have modern vessels of comparable size that sink to lesser assaults.

Excited to see this, as I had watched some of your previous videos and your knowledge had impressed me. Earlier today I was wondering if you had any thoughts on another video I had seen that introduced me to the fire theory. Without context, I wasn’t sure if it was to be believed. Guess I’m about to find out!

Thanks for this superb explanation!

Thank you for a cohesive and entertaining explanation. Well done! It brings a quote by JFK to mind. "The comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought"

Having worked on steam engines many moons ago, when I heard the fire theory and the rivet failing theory, I just laughed. Why you realise how tough, and over engineered ships like Titanic are, the fire thoery and rivet theory's just don't make any sense what so ever

Great video I just love these old ships and I have no idea why. they are so fascinating.

Thanks dude. Great video.

No, water entering the hull sank it. That’s always what sinks a ship. 100% of the time. (sarcasm) Great video!

@mrplane4205

Жыл бұрын

Ya ain’t wrong!

I think water sank the Titanic.

@mrplane4205

Жыл бұрын

You’re not wrong!

@volvo09

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've been studying it for a long time. My theory is that it stopped floating.

@mrplane4205

Жыл бұрын

@@volvo09 less buoyancy sank her!

@sirmounted8499

Жыл бұрын

no it was the underwater aliens

Thank you, Mike, for a fascinating look into what really happened.

Excellent video Mike!

For a while I believed that the fire weakened the hull, warping the iron and then when it hit the iceberg, the rivets just flew off and panels tore.

@paulwoodford1984

Жыл бұрын

It really is plausible.

@DeliveryMcGee

Жыл бұрын

The fire couldn't have weakened the hull plating, at least not below the waterline where the damage occurred, it couldn't get hot enough -- the water on the other side keeps the steel below 212F/100C, and it takes at least 600F to make steel start to lose strength. Same as you can boil water in a paper cup over a gas flame; paper burns at around 450F, but mo matter what the temperature of the flame is, the cup doesn't get any hotter than 212F until the water's all boiled off. The rivets just flew off because they were a bad batch of steel that became super-brittle at LOW temperature. I'm with Mike, the coal bunker not intended to be filled with water was watertight in the sense that it wouldn't let water out until it popped like an overfilled balloon. Which was bad for the engine room crew having the water come at them all at once, but it would allowed the same amount of water in even if it hadn't ruptured

@merafirewing6591

Жыл бұрын

​@@DeliveryMcGee wouldn't the fire also harden the steel in some cases?

@augustkoningen9970

Жыл бұрын

​@@merafirewing6591 Thats what brittle means, It gets harder, thus more glass-like.

@papahamdrew9962

Жыл бұрын

@@augustkoningen9970 causing a rupture more easily right? I’ve never discussed this with people so interested in ships. Titanic is the only ship I really completely understand except this. I’m just spitballing

I’m pretty sure the giant hull breach was the main culprit lol

Here we have a well researched, worded and put together video presentation. It's thoughtful and very clearly explained. I say this because before watching this I watched the most cringe video in my feed on this topic that was obviously inspired by the original article from a few years ago. I mean it had it all: Click bait title, non stop re use of the same footage from the 1997 film. Bad stock music and monotone dramatic narration like I am being inducted into the illuminati or something. This video had 200k views. Ocean liner Designs, you deserve 1 million. Thank you for this video I will share with my friends. Along with showing them about your prints! Take care chap!

Brilliant video, very detailed and informative 👌🙂 🚢