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@iamrachelrach

Жыл бұрын

Can you review Mr. Malcolms list I enjoyed it a bit more would love your take. It still was missing something. 😬

@TheMemoryPolice

Жыл бұрын

@Ellie- Have you seen the 1995 Persuasion with Amanda Root and Ciaran Hinds? It's perfect exactly like the book. Amanda Root is the exactly like Anne Elliot of the book. Even the 2007 one is quite well done.Please do a review on the these movies

@milliehaagen7526

Жыл бұрын

I wasn't planning on watching it because I'm anti Dakota Johnson, I've never cared for her performances. But also I haven't heard anything good about this particular adaptation. I will stick to the 1995 film.

@Huorfern

Жыл бұрын

Yeah 1995 is the way to go, also Fiona Shaw is in it ^^

@shantell5701

Жыл бұрын

@Ellie I was hoping you might address the sea bathing scene. I’ve always been curious about that. In Pride and Prejudice Mrs. Bennet mentions wanting to sea bathe, but was swimming considered acceptable for women? Did they have swim suits?

The modern media idea that the only type of woman worthy to be on the center of her story is the type of woman who is bold, confident, and empowered is so distasteful. If you are shy, victimized, or reluctant to act you must become a girl boss before you are deserving of attention.

@AMinibot

Жыл бұрын

On this note: if they even TRY to come for Fanny Price to make her into a present-day 'marketable' heroine I am throwing hands

@auntyjo1792

Жыл бұрын

@@AMinibot Fanny Price is unrepresentable at the moment.

@babsb9889

Жыл бұрын

It gets into the only loud (extroverts) women (and men) are empowered and bold and that if you are introverted and quiet you can't be. Where in actual truth, there is a power in being quiet and self-contained.

@AMinibot

Жыл бұрын

@@auntyjo1792 I mean hell, apparently so is Anne Elliot let's be honest

@kcjd8659

Жыл бұрын

@@auntyjo1792 to her benefit. Poor Anne Elliot isn’t even in her own story. Because that was definitely not Anne Elliot.

In a way, Jane Austen had much more diversity with her female characters than we have today. Bashfull, mature, "feminist", wallflower, moral, realist... Nowaday, if a woman can't throw a punch or stand up for herself, she is concidered badly written, it's quite sad

@donnakennedy430

Жыл бұрын

Add in that clutzy is considered a characters personality now. It's like, if the lady became graceful then no one would love her anymore. As if unable to keep yourself from accidentally knocking your tea cup off the table is somehow endearing. My biggest issue with this adaptation is what they did to Wentworth emotional journey. When the reader first meets him, he is hurt and lashes out. Anne feels all these little slights. She knows he is slighting her and why, while it's done in a way that wouldn't raise suspicion in any of the other characters. Then, when he is told his actions have created an expectation towards another, he finally realizes how wrongly he's been behaving with others while trying to hurt Anne back for rejecting him. He is not a love sick fool from the moment he walks back into her life clearly hoping she is still in love and wants him. No, is a man who is hurting and angry. There is even some talk in some editions of Wentworth stating that he might not of tried as hard to prove himself and increase his wealth if Anne had accepted him. Wentworths anger, his actions because of that anger, and the eventual change of thinking is important to Wentworths character arc.

@QueensThief76455

Жыл бұрын

This is one reason why I moved to watching Kdramas because a variety of female characters are shown and I could recognize myself among them.

@moiramoore3304

Жыл бұрын

@@donnakennedy430 Yeah, they killed his character as much as they did Anne's, and in the process killed a lot of the tension that's necessary to make the story interesting.

@reikun86

Жыл бұрын

@@donnakennedy430 Yeah. I couldn't the stand the scene when he and Anne are at the beach, and he says that he just want to be friends. That blew all the emotional tension out the window, which made the payoff of his letter and their reunion fall flat.

@DizzyBusy

Жыл бұрын

That's not true in modern fiction though. Not even in fantasy (an often maligned genre) written by male writers, like George RR Martin or Terry Pratchett, in whose books a lot of women don't throw punches and aren't snarky, but are still very strong characters in their society. It may be like that in studio movies, but probably not in the novels these movies are based upon.

I think the reason Persuasion is getting “backlash” while other modern adaptions like Little Women or Pride and Prejudice did not is because of the heroine alternative they did. Like you mentioned, instead of creating an equivalent to Anne or choosing one of her “acceptable” personality traits to focus on, they chose to create their own original character. You may not have envisioned the 2005 Elizabeth Bennett when you read Pride and Prejudice or the 2019 Jo March when you read Little Women, but you can see the characteristics they chose to build on. The issue with creating an alternate and plopping them in the middle of a story that’s already been created is that it throws the entire story off kilter. This 2022 Anne Elliott would never have given up Wentworth in the first place. She’s too brash and confident. While the 2005 Elizabeth Bennett differed from, say, the 1995 Elizabeth, both were clearly the same character, and the differences wouldn’t change the way Elizabeth reacted to things. I think it’s a shame they changed Anne so much. Rather than taking the opportunity to modernize AND show introverted, dutiful girls and women that they, too, can be a heroine, they basically said “no, girls like that are not good enough.” It was very disappointing.

@athag1

Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@AmatistaMoon

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, this is my exact thought! An Anne that would talk back to her father, Elizabeth, and Lady Russell so boldly, then ignored Mary so stubbornly, is not the type of character that can convincingly have been persuaded to give up Wentworth in the past. Sure, people change, but the issue is that because we're not seeing the past she had with him, her current personality needs to make that past plausible. This Anne doesn't.

@sarahbabcock8188

Жыл бұрын

“This 2022 Anne Elliott would never have given up Wentworth in the first place.” Excellent point!!!!! You are so right!

@tamoramuir2089

Жыл бұрын

I do think modern film, whether they're doing a historical piece or not, needs to show introverts being heroines. Problem is, it's so much more fun to watch and listen to an extrovert. Very interesting that society has gone from admiring introverted women as modest and demure to ignoring them. An introvert is likely to have thought through her speech and ideas much more thoroughly than an extrovert, even though the extrovert might speak more quickly and confidently. I think "dutiful" is a completely separate trait and is considered a suspect thing even in a child and a definite negative thing in a women in today's culture. Certainly that's reflected in the film industry.

@anapaulacueno8192

Жыл бұрын

It was really, really disappointing 😞 this adaptation is a mockery

"Women in the 1800s were viewed as irrational, sentimental, emotional and dumb". Sounds like an apt description of 2022 Anne. This is why lovers of Persuasion feel so betrayed. Anne Elliot IS rational. She is reasoned, compassionate, humble and introverted. It's so rare to have a heroine like this. The fact that this new version stripped Anne of these beautiful characteristics only proves that we haven't moved on from 1800s attitudes about women at all, because the makers of this version clearly don't value Anne's actual characteristics either.

@kohlinoor

Жыл бұрын

Seriously!! They can claim to love Austen and her novels until they're blue in the face, but their actions, but their actions speak volumes.

@barbarafrings9231

Жыл бұрын

Anna Fife, you hit the nail on the head! This Anne was so unlikable, the whole movie made no sense. Octopus?? 😱

@Authorsophiespruce

Жыл бұрын

I have studied Austen and all her characters are either rational or learn to be rational by the end of her books. Marianne might be the only case, although Catherine also tends to have a romantic worldview. In Pride & Prejudice for example, Elizabeth asks Mr. Collins to view her as a rational creature when rejecting his proposal. Directly before the letter scene in Persuasion, Anne has a conversation about love and rationality. To say Austen’s female characters are irrational is ridiculous and to shame them for having emotions is sexist. Darcy is arguably one of the most irrational characters and he has never been obliterated for the sake of modernity. Anne is my favorite Austen character because I do highly relate to her. To see a completely different character in the movie was so disheartening.

@cmm5542

Жыл бұрын

Or maybe women in the 1800s weren't viewed as so irrational, sentimental, emotional and dumb as modern producers think. Or maybe there are SOME women like that in EVERY era, but that's not Jane Austen's characters!

@girlwithoutpearlearring

Жыл бұрын

Beautifully put.

Jane Austen can absolutely be modernized. "Clueless" proves this. But the modern take needs to be in a modern setting. Modernizing Austen but putting it in a Regency setting is too jarring. The real crime of this version of "Persuasion" is not that it is modernized, but that they changed who Anne Eliot *is.*

@laurent1144

Жыл бұрын

You don't even have to put it in the modern times. Look at the 2020 adaptation of "Emma." It modernized the humor without sacrificing the story or characters. It's witty both in a Regency style and a modern style. I feel like the 2020 Emma TRUSTS its audience to get the jokes while 2022 Persuasion DOESN'T trust its audience.

@reikun86

Жыл бұрын

@@laurent1144 You hit the nail on the head. It's not the modernization of the characters that jarrred me (I actually liked the supporting characters in this version), but the complete transformation of Anne Elliot. I was rooting for Anne in the book because of her quiet inner strength. Turning her into an embarrassing wino was a slap in the face.

@milagros5659

Жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree.

@27seaglass

Жыл бұрын

And that there was no romance between Anne and Wentworth.

@charlesiragui2473

Жыл бұрын

It's an interesting idea that the modernization might have left in place her personality from the book (and the logic of the plot). Ellie started out going down this hypothetical: what if they just modernized the language, like a Shakespeare cleaned up for a youthful audience to understand? Would a dutiful, introverted, polite Anne Elliot be acceptable today as a heroine? Given, in the book, her outstanding management skills (see: what to do if someone hits her head), her language and musical abilities, her generosity, all traits that people admire today, it might work. Road not taken. I think there are a lot of women who would be happy to see this type of quiet goodness portrayed. She is quiet but she does not lack courage (she wishes she had been Mrs Croft).

I hate this movie, they changed Anne and made her like a Briget Jones 2.0 (Btw I love Briget Jones don't get me wrong), and they also cut one of my favorite parts in the book and made it flat , wich is when Anne is talking about why women love and suffer for love longer than men. In the book Anne says is because women have nothing else to do but to stay at home with their feelings, while men have the opportunity to work, study and travel, so they can focus their mind and feelings on something else. I always thought that was a tremendous criticism of the society of that time and how women were treated.

@amyquinn4141

Жыл бұрын

This was also my favorite part of the book and it definitely fell flat! The whole scene also made it harder to see why Wentworth took the conversation the way he did and wrote his letter. I almost didn't expect it to be there anymore. I was surprised to see his letter on the table.

@JR-sx3gl

Жыл бұрын

I also thought it was Bridget Jones like. One is enough.

@katieboyum

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s weird. You’d think if they are modernizing the story, that is one of the lines they would definitely keep in! 🙄 did the writers even read the book?!

@karenland9174

Жыл бұрын

Yes!

@annetteandhercrafts

Жыл бұрын

THEY DID WHAAAAAT? Haven't seen the movie and this persuades me not to even more.

I’m absolutely sick of this new narrative of “girl has to be a sassy, outspoken and (tbh) complaining, meanspirited #girlboss to be valid now”. It’s the same mindset that sees Cinderella as “weak” and not an abuse survivor. Millions of women around the world are in varying degrees of undesirable situations where, for a myriad of reasons that vary person to person, they CANNOT SPEAK UP. Maybe they aren’t comfortable with it, maybe they don’t get the chance, maybe they’re worried about hurting others, maybe it literally affects their safety and maybe it just isn’t in their personality. Constantly having this narrative of needlesly #girlbossing things, much akin to the toxicity of confidence culture, forces it into women and perhaps even some men that unless you can be that quippy, mouthy, sassy little self-loving queen (who never faces any retorts or consequences because she’s a fictional character), who stands up for herself and gets rewarded with what she wants all the time, you aren’t worthy of the same respect and admiration. Being a quiet, reserved, introspective person who will remain quiet to keep the peace, keep their thoughts to themselves or not have the confidence to act on their every whim now makes you inferior, despite that being the exact opposite of Anne’s arc in Austin’s story.

@sarahb4104

Жыл бұрын

This is so very well said. Thank you for that

@abigailtrumbo178

Жыл бұрын

It’s also a failure to recognize and represent the basic personality types! There are 9 Enneagram types and several have diffidence, or difficulty speaking up, or avoidance/distaste of conflict, as defining characteristics, which btw is also true of male characters!

@reikun86

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Somebody said it.

@kathyp1563

Жыл бұрын

Correct. I also forces a lack of creativity. All women are cookie-cutter

@amysill3815

6 ай бұрын

Modern screenwriters also erroneously assume that the sassy, mouthy girl boss is superior to a sensitive thoughtful woman as well as something all modern women aspire to or should aspire to. I personally do not admire the modern boss girl stereotype. I find her shallow, grating, and obnoxious. Traditional femininity is still very appealing to many of us.

Hot take 1: Feminism is for supporting and celebrating all women with differences in personalities and circumstances. Hot take 2: The reason we keep getting the same sassy "girl boss" protagonist, is because people in executive positions can not understand this fact OR the fact that women are actual, complex human beings.

@CursedCatTruffa

Жыл бұрын

Two very good hot takes. And adding a third one; The whole girl boss thing in recent media is just misogyny with extra steps if one thinks about it enough

@rochellevanderhelm4944

Жыл бұрын

@@CursedCatTruffa Fourth hot take: The beloved female characters that came out of Hollywood before the recent obsession with "feminism" and "female representation" were so much more interesting, feminist, and representative than the "girl boss" characters we see now.

@lucilesautot7740

Жыл бұрын

On the feminism topic, I think XIXe century book adaptation are missed opportunities. In my opinion, if you want make a feminist movie with this kind of material, you can't drill modern feminism into these main characters. Because it makes no sense ... Why this story happening if every one is in a 2022 mindset here? The more interesting way to do it could be "okay girlz, that is what patriachy was in the good old days, and guess what, it was not fun".

@tymanung6382

Жыл бұрын

@@lucilesautot7740 To be accurate, writers, producers, directors need to study THAT era' s REAL feminists, like Mary Wollstonecraft of England or Olympe De Gouge of France.

Жыл бұрын

People in executive positions don't think beyond money. If there are 2 character types that work, they'll apply those to everything and everyone for as long as it brings them money. That's all they care. Same for storylines. They have line 1 or 2 stories lines, and everything has to fit that. Anything outside that is considered "too risky" and will be discarded.

I used to have a Netflix account, and let it lapse. When I heard they were doing an adaptation of _Persuasion_ I thought about getting a new one. Then I saw the trailer.... I couldn't even sit through that the whole way through. I have no problem, *in theory* with modernizing the story. My problem is that I found it *insulting* that they thought people today can't understand or identify with a main character (especially a woman) *unless* she's "Sassy," and sarcastic, and quirky. As if there aren't middle daughters alive in 2022 who are reserved in temperament, sensible in mind, patient, and the responsible one in their family. Not every single woman of seven and twenty can be a manic pixie dream girl (which is a dated trope, now, even in the 21st Century)

@maryhamric

Жыл бұрын

10000% agree!!!

@ella7637

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more! I love Ann Elliot's character, she's so thoughtful, intelligent, perceptive and considerate. I identify strongly with her (although I don't have her qualities). If the new Dakota's sassy version should be a role model for women today, then it is a really FU world...

@CapriUni

Жыл бұрын

@@ella7637 I can understand the filmmakers wanting to do an Austen adaptation that *wasn't* yet another take on P&P, and instead do one that fewer people know. But if they *also* wanted a film with a self-aware, satirical, comedic, and over the top narrative feel, then _Northanger Abbey_ was right there! Originally published in the same volume, too. _Northanger Abbey_ would have fit so well with the tone they wanted here. And it's a novel I also love. And it's a novel that also deserves more recognition.

@Mei-Ling-Li

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I would have maybe been able to get over the modernization. Especially since I love Henry Golding. But I cannot forgive them making Anne a completely different person. She's one of my favorite Austen characters, and there was no need to change her personality to modernize. Like you said, there are plenty of women like that today and they're not lesser than just because they're not outwardly sassy. As such, I can't even bring myself to watch this. Sorry, Henry.

@truthwhatisthetruth

Жыл бұрын

@@CapriUni I’m big fan of Tolkien’s world, and currently, Amazon is destroying his world by shovelling 21st century mindset

I never found Austen's characters hard to relate to, quite the reverse. Austen shows Mary to be a bored wife who only moans about her health when she has nothing to do. She is not very bright and needs lively society to keep her entertained. Anne is highly intelligent (the only person in her family who is intelligent), she sees all that is wrong with her family, but as a woman of the time, she has no ability to act on what she sees. Although forced to be passive she has moral lines that she will not cross. Lady Russell persuaded Anne to break her engagement by convincing her that it was to Wentworth's benefit as much as to her own. Anne is unwilling to enter a loveless marriage (she turned down an offer from Mary's husband) and that is pretty brave and radical for her era. I think that this production suffers from lazy screen writing. They are calling this Persuasion, but they have thrown out the subtlety of the novel and kept the character names and relationships, done some pretty cinematography, and given everyone modern attitudes and trite speech. I think that I will just go and reread the book as a better use of my time!

@artemiciat566

Жыл бұрын

yes, that kind of threw me as I think Austen , even if you don't know how the women were treated at the time, gives you an understanding of it . The rest are simply personality characteristics of her characters and its not unbelievable to have a person that acts like Mary or Anne or whoever .

@nancygoodwin6989

Жыл бұрын

me, too, girl. 😊

@agospei

Жыл бұрын

Now that you mention it, I think Dokota's Anne would absolutely have married Charles. This Anne doesn't have a strong moral compass or boundaries. We're talking about a woman who out right said at the table that Charles wanted to marry her first. That's unthinkable for the real Anne. I think this version of the story would never happen because the Anne from the 2022 movie would absolutely be married to Charles.

@sengarics

Жыл бұрын

@@agospei Correct, while in book we see Anne suffer due to Wentworth's growing fondness with Louisa, she is never jealous or objects of tries to secure his attention for herself.

@lizjoyce5

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Well said.

Movie people: We're modernizing Persausion! Us: Oh, so you're setting it in a contemporary period? Cool. Movie people: No. We're updating the dialogue and Ann is a free spirit. Us: 😐

I'm surprised no one has mentioned how they actually REWROTE his letter. As if Austen didn't write well enough to be understood. They took something that was already romantic, tried to make it seem more romantic and failed completely. It also baffles me that they tried to make it so modern that a character actually says "the Universe has a plan" instead of saying something about God or Providence. I'm not even religious but that was ridiculous. Other than the cinematography (and Ellie providing us with interesting commentary on deep culture) this movie was a waste of time.

@irenalovesart4064

Жыл бұрын

Omg yes that was so obviously batty

@misstweetypie1

Жыл бұрын

I noticed that too! It was jarring.

@brighidmcmullen9577

Жыл бұрын

They changed his letter?! Oh no they didnt!!! 😱 that's it! I am never, ever watching it! That part had me in tears! The book was not easy for me to read and it was my first time reading anything by Jane Austin but that part made it worth every bit of it for me and they butchered it!?! The vile monsters!!!

@gisawslonim9716

Жыл бұрын

I doubt if the word "Universe" was even in use in Austen's day. Had it been coined? Wouldn't one have said "world"...what did the people of Austen's day know about a "Universe"?

@annek3296

Жыл бұрын

@@gisawslonim9716 They must have known about "the Universe", since the novels are filled with "universal truths"!😊

With my BA in English, I found this movie incredibly painful to watch. And this is my favorite Austen book! You give the screenwriters way too much credit...I don't think they gave a crap about Austen, her time, the culture, or anything about the original story or time.

@perdidoatlantic

Жыл бұрын

True. They are just trying to make money piggy-backing on someone else’s hard work.

@lovetolovefairytales

Жыл бұрын

👏👏👏

@PatriciaHFD

Жыл бұрын

There are better ways to work with these texts, for example makin all modern, not this mixed thing. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Odontecete

Жыл бұрын

You hit it on the nose. I think she gave the screenwriters WAYYYYYYYYYYY too much credit. Considering the screenwriter that wrote it is 80 and clearly out of touch with a 27 year old female (heroine or not). I found too much in the small portion of the movie I viewed as a throwback to things we said in the 80's that were then, in today's terms, cringe. But given that the 80 year old would have been in their 40's at the time, probably thought they were "hip" and "cool". I wouldn't be surprised if "Slip me some skin" was cut from the screenplay. The largest issue I have with this adaptation isn't the screenwriter's being so out of touch it was the rip off of a British comedy and a blatant rip off at that, which tells me that they didn't give two sh&ts about this movie, they just wanted to cash in.

@tarihatari

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think the screenwriters read the book at all. Just the cliff notes. Lol

I think one of the main reasons I hate (yes hate) this version is because I have always connected with Anne Elliot. She is a quieter heroine and I appreciate her personality. Not everyone is a Jane Austen or Elizabeth Bennett.

@nds.gdspts

Ай бұрын

What adaptation do you recommend? 🙏 thx

I am so offended ny the way they butchered Anne supposedly in the name of "modernity." They completely misunderstood her character and turned her into someone unrecognizable. The thought that someone shy, reserved, insecure, neglected and abused by her narcissitic father and sisters turning around to be this girlboss, one-line swinging, banter machine is absurd. Anne is not dull. But she is shy. She's more internal. She has suffered from constantly being bandied about by the more outgoing, large personalities in her life. But she is sweet, kind, and intelligent. She cares about the feelings of others. There is absolutely a way to make that character work- because I dare argue most people are like that, and not Fleabag, Emma or Lizzy. That's what it feels like they wanted. To adapt Persuasion, but with a different heroine- in which case the story fails, because Persuasion is only Persuasion because Anne is Anne. It's maddening!

@krissyk9767

Жыл бұрын

Yes they completely changed her personality - trying to make her more like Emma or Lizzy Bennet because that type of character is perceived as being more exciting and interesting to a modern audience. I can understand changing her a bit for the film, but they went too far and made her a totally new person.

@donnakennedy430

Жыл бұрын

@@krissyk9767 Hubby was in the living room while I watched. So, he sorta had to watch too. He turned to me at one point and asked what was the big deal with Anne that any man would want to marry her, let alone all the men she meets. I explain book Anne, and what wasn't being shown in the movie about each man. He got it then, but said the movie did a very poor job of covering that stuff.

Pride and Prejudice is my favorite Austen novel, but I identify with Anne Elliot more than I ever could with Elizabeth Bennet. It's sad that Anne Elliots personality needed to be "modernized" when so many women can relate to Anne.

@barbarafrings9231

Жыл бұрын

Same 🙂

Yes they not only ruined Persuasion they butchered it and then spat on the corpse! It is beyond awful. I hate that they made it a modern take. Why not set it in modern times. I loved Clueless. This...I loathe.

@lovetolovefairytales

Жыл бұрын

Clueless was great.

@kimmyisgreen2929

Жыл бұрын

Clueless is an amazing modernization. I appreciate that they didn’t call it Emma or keep trying to remind us that we were watching an adaptation of Jane Austen. It lets the viewer see parallels between the stories and draw their own conclusion. It isn’t continuously dumbing things down and assuming the audience won’t be able to follow the story. Persuasion doesn’t seem to acknowledge their audience is capable of understanding what’s happening in the story. I think clueless was more clever and respectful of their audience.

@hadrianryan4179

Жыл бұрын

Because some producer somewhere saw Bridgerton, and immediately following that, big ol' dollar signs is why, if you ask me.

@sengarics

Жыл бұрын

@@hadrianryan4179 fair point. Felt like Bridgerton influence a lot many times

@mariemakesstuff

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more. It was absolutely horrendous.

This is definitely not the first adaptation to attempt to 'save' the heroine by infusing her with Austen's personality and wit ('99 Mansfield Park is the most egregious example of this) but it always betrays a lack of imagination and creativity. If you aren't up for the challenge, don't make the film!

@kenna163

Жыл бұрын

I mean I doubt they thought about Austen at all while making Persuasion

@kohlinoor

Жыл бұрын

@@kenna163 I've read interviews where the writers claim that the whole team behind the film love Austen deeply, but they don't back that up with their actions and choices.

@amyquinn4141

Жыл бұрын

I immediately got Mansfield Park vibes

@lizajane2971

Жыл бұрын

@@kohlinoor You can't love someone's work if you completely alter it the first chance you get! Maybe they love her popularity and ability to draw an audience, but they don't love her!

@kcjd8659

Жыл бұрын

99 Mansfield made me so angry I’d paid to see it.

One of the biggest mistakes I feel this rendition of Persuasion made was that in attempting to modernize Anne and her response to the events of her life, they inadvertently stripped her of agency. An important distinction about the end of her engagement to Wentworth is that she was persuaded to end it, not forced. A passage that has always stuck out to me in the novel is near the end, after Wentworth and Anne have (finally!) reconciled, Anne reflects on their history and says; "I have been thinking over the past, and trying impartially to judge of the right and wrong, I mean with regard to myself; and I must believe that I was right, much as I suffered from it... I was right in submitting to her, and that if I had done otherwise, I should have suffered more in continuing the engagement than I did even in giving it up, because I should have suffered in my conscience. I have now...nothing to reproach myself with; and if I mistake not, a strong sense of duty is no bad part of a woman's portion." In the novel, Anne accepts that it was her decision to take this path in life and acts with maturity, despite her continuing longing and heartbreak. In the Netflix version, Anne wallows in her circumstances and doesn't seem to acknowledge her own role in the past, thereby passively putting blame on Lady Russell. One thing I love about Jane Austen's works is that her heroines get to have their cake and eat it too. Anne doesn't have to sacrifice her relationship with Lady Russell, her family or her self in order to find love. If that doesn't align with modern feminism, I don't know what does.

@andreataylor5983

Жыл бұрын

That was one of the most infuriating parts of the movie for me. In the book she never varies from accepting that it was her decision to break things off with Wentworth. It was the right decision at the time and she acknowledges it at every turn. She may regret it, but she never thinks to blame Lady Russell for her choice. This Anne not only blames Lady Russell, she doesn't even have the guts to say that to her face. Just kinda shrugs and lets her friend blame herself. Excising Mrs Smith from the narrative robs Anne of another act of agency. In the book she refuses to social climb at the Dalrymples and instead chooses to spend time with her chronically ill disabled friend instead. It showcases not only Anne's good heart, it shows that she has grown and will not be persuaded to drop an acquaintance because her family wants her too. She also chooses outings with the Musgroves and Crofts over the Viscountess. No, this is not a modernized Anne in 2022, it's a butchered buzzwordy Anne who hasn't half the original Anne's strength of character. And seriously? How is cutting a canonically disabled character a good look in a modern adaptation? Netflix, Cracknell and the writers should be ashamed of themselves for that if nothing else.

@hannahmdearest

Жыл бұрын

@@andreataylor5983 Yes!! Why cut a female friendship from a supposedly feminist adaption, especially one that could give good representation to a group that doesn't often get it in period pieces!?! Also, please tell me how this Netflix version of Anne is feminist when she spends the majority of the movie rolling her eyes at and cutting down the adult females around her in the asides to the camera.

@EdithEsquivel

Жыл бұрын

Regret is complicated. I'd say the book portrays a weaker disposition in Anne, unable to turn regret into remorse for the suffering she also caused her lover. The Anne in the movie is understandably regretful, and struggles with that, and tries to put some blame on others, but that is more human. The Anne in the book is missing that realness. I Don't know if you have ever regretted something fundamental, but it is very very hard.

@DizzyBusy

Жыл бұрын

Riddle me this, if Anne is so confident and can be outwardly witty with people she barely knows, why was she persuaded by Lady Russell and her family in the first place? She seems to know her own mind, what was the big deal? This Anne would have eloped and simply proved everyone wrong. I don't understand the underlying concept the Netflix adaptation is trying to sell us here.

If they went ahead and named it “Cheap PG Bridgerton Knock Off” instead of Persuasion do you think we would all be less angry…?

I watched 15-20 minutes of the new adaptations and was so annoyed with the modernization of behavior I had to stop. Period drama lovers KNOW it sucked for women back then, but we still enjoy reading/watching more accurate period dramas! We don’t need to make all heroines girl bosses just to appeal to non-period drama lovers or the modern viewer with no appreciation of period pieces. I enjoyed your dissection video so much! ❤️

@sophieruby9135

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! I'm all for women being bold and confident, but when I watch a period drama, I want to see how things really were back then, not how some people wish it was. It's like this version takes place in the same alternate universe as Bridgerton.

@hadrianryan4179

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, what you get when you make a Jane Austen movie for audiences not interested in Jane Austen is... no audience.

@gibbersking6575

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Mrs. Croft's statements are among my favorites. It's not in-your-face or so outlandish because of the life she's lived. She's clearly a rational lady, AND... Austen makes sure the Crofts have a solid and mutually respectful relationship. Same for me with Jane Eyre's declaration to Mr. Rochester that she won't be seen and treated like a machine, that she has a heart and soul, equal with Rochester before God, regardless of society and class. I am instantly irritated by female characters who sport too much sass or perhaps have a morning ritual, reminding themselves that they're "fierce."

@CynDiaz

Жыл бұрын

I only got to 4 mins. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a heroine like Anne. She is what she is because of her time period, but still strong enough to fight for her happiness in her own way, like a true protagonist!

@banannakis6723

Жыл бұрын

I always found it annoying, that the writers are trying to "correct" history instead of seeing that those types of women were just as impressive and awesome in their own rights outside of the modern woman today.

I haven't watched Netflix persuasion but I think that accepting and appreciating only one type of woman, nowadays the extremely dynamic, self-confident, assertive woman, is as problematic and actually misogynistic as its equivalent of the regency Era, that is to self-sacrificing, super religious, self-effacing. I find both these perspectives equally non feminist because they both negate the multifaceted personalities of real women. Real women as well as real men can be both dynamic in certain aspects of their lives and shy or introverted in others and that doesn't diminish their strength one bit. It actually took a lot of strength on Anne's behalf to put up with her family and help them as she invariably did or to stand up to Lady Russell the second time although she was the closest thing to a mother she was going to get.

@thepresence365

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@Spaced92

Жыл бұрын

It's the boomers writing for millennials thing, strong female character means eliminating "feminine" traits like sensitivity. This actually just ends up making every female protagonist a one-dimensional girl boss character, not to mention a pivotal trait about Anne is her lack of agency, she's a non-traditional protagonist. If Anne wasn't as sensitive to other peoples needs and wants as she was, there would be no story to begin with.

@thepresence365

Жыл бұрын

@@Spaced92 That makes a lot of sense.

@cmm5542

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely spot on!

@funkyfranx

Жыл бұрын

Can we stop throwing around the word 'misogynistic' like it has no meaning? This film used short cuts to make the main character more 'likeable'. That is not hating women. That's lazy writing. All sorts of films do it for all sorts of characters, because the film industry cares more about cash grabs than art.

Why did they ruin the whole Mr.Elliot subplot? He actually reveals to Anne what he’s up to almost immediately. It made no sense. He’s the novel’s Wickham you needed to feel he was up to something and have the reveal with Mrs. Smith who is missing completely.

@L.Spencer

Жыл бұрын

They probably ran out of time and didn't think the audience would understand how he could lose his inheritance.

@naomi7503

Жыл бұрын

Worse, the made Anne totally OK with his plot. In the book she is suspicious of him and she worries that he is taking advantage of them (which is why she has no intention of accepting him). It shows that she is intelligent and compassionate. Here, you wonder why they both don't just end up together if she also has no morals.

@b0tias

Жыл бұрын

Maybe they were bothered by the wild coincidence that one of the few ppl to have all the dirt on Mr Elliot with written proof happens to be Anne's old boarding school roommate and happens to be in Bath when Anne is there and needs her info. Every Austen novel has such a wild coincidence or even a few.

@gisawslonim9716

Жыл бұрын

@@b0tias Remember that cities such as Bath were not large at the time of Jane Austen and if you came during the "season" to take the "cure" (drink the waters) you were sure to run into many of the people you met up with in town (London) during the season. In fact the elderly did this every year in order to take care of their health and a great deal of socializing would of course take place evenings to add to the beneficial effects of the waters.

Thank you for mentioning Jane Austen's faith, as a Christian, I feel her deep Christian faith is often minimized or ignored outright by critics and commentators.

@cmm5542

Жыл бұрын

True. The same thing happens with Shakespeare, a lot. I had a class I was covering for another teacher once, and all the girls (it was a girl's school) were completely confused about the issues and connections they were supposed to be exploring and answering questions on in Macbeth when they completely didn't get it. I gave a five-minute explanation on how the religious views of the times informed the concepts of the witches, kingship, ambition and hierarchy, and even the weather (that was what one of the questions in the curriculum was on, believe it or not). The students were literally beaming at me and exclaiming 'Miss! That's the FIRST TIME this has made any sense! Oh, and can you be our teacher all the time now?' Darlings.

They wimped out on the portrayal of Wentworth: in the book he shows a degree of bitterness to Anne that wouldn't be out of place on today's internet (and hates the idea of women on a ship!)

@juanitajones6900

Жыл бұрын

He did express bitterness toward Anne, until he made that attempt to put her in the "friend-zone" at Lyme. Frankly, I rather liked that scene.

@kohlinoor

Жыл бұрын

@@juanitajones6900 I liked the intent of friendship, but the script was so stilted in that part... If your main male lead is going to pour his heart out to Anne halfway through the movie, what's the point of the letter scene? Where's the suspense?!

@juanitajones6900

Жыл бұрын

@@kohlinoor Oh for Pete's sake. Are you referring to the scene in which Wentworth tried to put Anne in the friend . . . you know what? Never mind. It's obvious we don't agree on this matter. The next time I express my opinion of a movie or a film, I will not engage in a debate over my opinion. I just it irrelevant and not worth the effort.

@meretchen

Жыл бұрын

They left in the letter scene? I wonder why he didn't just text her on Snapchat?

@juanitajones6900

Жыл бұрын

@@meretchen Snapchat didn't exist in 1814-1815.

I like modernised versions of classics, but I really didn’t like the way they modernised Persuasion. I feel like if you’re going to modernise a movie you need to stick to it, not modernise some dialogue and keep almost everything else set in the regency era. It’s all right to make the dialogue more accessible, but “we were worse than strangers, we were exes” is just ridiculous

@rebeccaholcombe9043

Жыл бұрын

You can absolutely modernize but if you butcher the personality of the characters than you've murdered Jane Austin's work because the entire story revolves around the accuracy of the characterization

@sengarics

Жыл бұрын

Hehe yeah

@athag1

Жыл бұрын

This quote was the last nail in the coffin of any curiosity I might have had to see this movie. Thank you for sparing me the agony.

@AmatistaMoon

Жыл бұрын

The most painful part of this was Wentworth's letter. Not only because of the horrid delivery, but because up until this point, there had been no attempt to maintain that type of speech, and the alterations they made to it were so ill-fitting even if they were not as egregious as the example above. That said, though, I would've loved Mary's character if she'd been in a different movie.

@cheri-gh6jc

Жыл бұрын

Right, I think this would have been interesting if they had modernized it like the movie "Clueless"

What is utterly infuriating about this version is the way they took away Anne's growth, and they stole the qualities that many people could identify with (and that we so seldom see in good heroes or heroines): Anne is a person people don't think of as the heroine. Anne at the start is meek, overlook and emotionally neglected. She is a victim of emotional starvation, always having to serve a family that doesn't appreciate her. Because of this, she clings to the approval of those she feels actually do care about her (like Lady Russel). She isn't "strong" at the start of the story. Anne, when 19, of course was persuaded: she had been so utterly downtrodden that it was easy for her to listen to others, to not trust her own judgement (and, maybe, it was hard to beieve anyone could truly love her). Years later, she is still downtrodden and neglected by her family, but she has had to live with the consequences of her actions. Throughout the book we see her grow: she begins standing up to her family (visiting friends instead of the Viscountess), her self sacrifice and experience caring for others makes her the level-headed person in a crisis (from the martyr with Mary's son to the assertive leader after Louisa's fall), Anne sticks to her own intuition against Lady Russel's endorsement of Mr Elliot, and resists the emotional manipulation she gets from multiple sources. Finally, she gives herself permission to listen only to herself and to what she wants. This is also made extra poignant and noticeable with the fact that Wentworth declares himself through a letter the second time around: it gives her time to think, to collect herself (she is even upset there are people talking around her so she decides to go home! She starts protecting her mental wellbeing). By the end she is still meek, still self sacrificing, but she has learned to trust herself, to believe in her own thoughts and to know her own mind. They stole that growth from her, and from the audience, with this version

@AJansenNL

Жыл бұрын

Yes, yes, yes! 🎯

@reikun86

Жыл бұрын

A thousand times Yes!

@AJansenNL

Жыл бұрын

@@reikun86 Someone's been watching Pride and Prejudice 2007 a few times? 😉

@reikun86

Жыл бұрын

@@AJansenNL Maybe...🥰 It’s my favorite movie.

@atrelanor4876

Жыл бұрын

so well said

I think the deep v shallow culture part is the biggest issue with the movie. The deep culture would not let them discuss their feelings so Wentworth only realized how Anne felt when he overheard her at the end of the story on a seemingly unrelated topic. Them discussing their feelings multiple times in the movie makes that realization make little sense and makes it very difficult to understand why they do not get together much earlier.

When Anne’s character said the word ‘Exes’, I died. It’s giving Boomer Male Gaze on Young Woman Energy.

@sengarics

Жыл бұрын

We all did🤣

@pennyvdl

Жыл бұрын

Me too. And also when she talked about something being “electrifying”

@abigailtrumbo178

Жыл бұрын

As soon as I heard that word in the commercial I thought, I am NEVER watching this literary crime! 😡

@ClaudiaGonzalezKinkyFloyd

Жыл бұрын

OMG noooooooo

@bethanyjoy75

Жыл бұрын

And her “playlist” Wentworth made for her 😳😖

Also, is it just me or did Anne Elliot give anyone ‘Not Like Other Girls’ Energy in the trailer? She’s not that person.

@studiogru3649

Жыл бұрын

TOTAL "pick me girl" energy, so....yes.

The whole thing had 'Yikes' written all over it for me ever since I saw the trailer. I love a modern adaption. I love an update. But set it in the era you feel like representing and DON'T change the heroine in a way that makes her the character she is based on in name only. Anne Elliott isn't Deadpool, she has no business smirking into the camera and talking about '10s' & 'playlists'.

I love your balanced review of the movie! I'm not sure how I feel about Anne being "empowered" or relatable in this movie with so-called modern traits. I didn't find her an empowering, strong female in any way. Who would? She was essentially a lemming. She pined for a man for 7 years, is full of bitterness and remorse, has a subtle victim mindset, stoppled living, drinks all over the place to cope with her feelings and can be condescending to those around her she doesn't consider her equals. Anne in the book is discerning, sagacious, pragmatic, resolute, kind and selfless. To the end, she is confident she made the right choice based on the dicey circumstances at that moment in time and while she does have conflicting feelings and some self-doubt throughout the book (and who could blame her?), she doesn't live in a sea of remorse and self-deprecation. I find her characterization in the book more empowering. The writers and producers must not have thought people relate to or admire that or are smart enough to understand this. Great video, as always!

The fact that they cancelled the Sarah Snook and Joel Fry version that was already in production. Truly painful. Sarah and Joel would have made an incredible Anne and Wentworth

@pm6730

Жыл бұрын

I'm still hurting over that. Maybe the production company will think again now that the Netflix one was hated by the fans. I can only hope!!

@hydraxisfrimon9785

Жыл бұрын

That would have been interesting!

@Terryterryterryterryterry

Жыл бұрын

@@pm6730 they better bring it, though. Take Netflix's failure as a lesson to learn from. Avoid everything they did. If they were going to do something that the Netflix version did, change it.

@likesunset03

Жыл бұрын

We had 2 Emma's come out in the same year, why can't we have the same for Persuasion?

short: yes they did long: it wasn't a totally modernized version of the movie, it was so anachronic it turned bizarre. the movie makes it clear that we're supposed to take this 'cool modern' anne as intelligent and insightful. but to me, she just seemed to be an unlikable loser. how am i supposed to take this ~modern anne~ as someone who is still pining for a guy she dumped 8 years ago? and then this same modern anne being completely unable to tell him how she feels? it doesn't make sense. it makes sense for jane austen and the regency era, not for a woman who rolls her eyes when another character says marriage is a woman's greatest achievement. you either decide to go 'modern' or you don't. i couldn't suspend my disbelief once during this movie because of the bizarre anachronistic effect caused by it all... idk also, i hated every single second of anne's weird hairdos. would it really be that unattractive to not have seemingly dirty bangs covering half her eyes for the entire movie? is it that cheesy and gauche to give the heroine hair that doesn't look 100% disheveled all the time? it's like movie anne has never had the opportunity to spend some time with a nice hairbrush... i don't get hollywood, i really don't *oh, and why did they change anne to a drunk? and yes, i didn't like modern anne's wardrobe, but could have gotten past it if i had liked the story and how it was told

@lizajane2971

Жыл бұрын

They made her a drunk?! Good grief. 😒

@bailegatita

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. How the screenwriters thought a drunk and bitter Anne is an aspirational heroine really says more about them than anything. I don't think anyone involved in the screenplay ever finished a Jane Austen book. Let alone enjoyed it. The source material is treated with contempt.

@gracie9658

Жыл бұрын

I've only skimmed the trailer but yeah the hair is truly atrocious 🤢 Also THEY MADE HER A DRUNK ??? huh ?

@andreataylor5983

Жыл бұрын

@@lizajane2971 I wouldn't say she's a drunk, more of a (barely) functional alcoholic. She constantly has a glass or bottle of alcohol in hand, drinks alone on the regular and is shown at least once trying to hide that she's stealing entire bottles of wine. Not to mention her hangover scene. Oh, and she drinks in the bath too. She'd fit right in on Sex and the City.

@lizajane2971

Жыл бұрын

@@andreataylor5983 That's awful. They've made her ridiculous and cringy, like everything else in entertainment these days.

I was telling my wife about this and she was like, "So it's the opposite of the Baz Luhrman Romeo+Juliet, kept the setting but overhauled the text?" She was spot on. I watched it and I have to say I don't hate it.

@bertuccigirl

Жыл бұрын

😊I was surprised to find that I didn’t hate it either. I had to kind of detach myself from it being an adaptation, though, lol.

Had a realization when you mentioned the deep culture idea, that the “visible parts” are often the ones that get appropriated, while the deep parts don’t, but then the visible parts are affected by the deep parts

I was waiting for this review. You did not disappoint. I rarely stop watching movies partway through, but this was so bad that I realized I would never stop cringing and it wasn't worth continuing. When Anne tactlessly blurted out at the dining table in front of everyone present that Charles wanted to marry her first...I was done. It wasn't funny or cute. It was incredibly rude and thoughtless and made the character unlikeable to me. When Jane Austen's Emma was rude in public, she felt guilty and tried to make amends in every film version I've ever seen of the book. This character didn't.

@wpa83646

Жыл бұрын

I know what you mean. I stopped at the 3 minute mark, where Anne is introducing her family. It was just too disconcerting. I could sit through the 2020 version of Emma but this was too difficult for me. The Anne Elliot in the first 3 minutes of the movie is entirely unlike the character in the book. You can modernize the way she acts and talks but don’t change her character and personality completely.

@JR-sx3gl

Жыл бұрын

It was the same moment for me. 5 minutes before I paused when Louisa explained her flirting method of acting dumb about cutlery. I thought I'll give it another chance and that dinner scene happened. 🤦‍♀️

@rachellerachelle2931

Жыл бұрын

The dinner scene was the exact moment I stopped watching as well. It was so horrible - not only for an adaptation, but even if this had been it's own original rom-com movie, it was still cringe-worthy.

@TerribleLotus

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I also couldn’t watch the whole thing. I started skipping and then just gave up

@jogilcab9616

Жыл бұрын

Mine was when she said “we’re worse than strangers, we’re exes” and I only got that far because my friends and I were having fun roasting their Wentworth.

I hate this adaptation so much. I was unironically expecting some character shouting "yasss queen!" at some point. The stupidity of the writers has no boundaries and they totally missed the point of the book. I don't understand why they have to alienate JA fans in favor of appealing to an empty headed audience that does not care for JA and that equates sassiness and one liners to liberated women. I say this as a sassy woman that likes to deliver one-liners, this is not feminism. It's just pandering to the pseudowoke.

My problem is that there was a lot of options to modernize the story without compromising the themes and the characters. Mary is a great example, she is more or less the modern version of the Mary from the books. I also could say that Mr. Elliot carries the essence though not as much. Anne could have been a capable, quiet but still strong and very competent woman who is still kind and smart without sarcasm or strange remarks that only made her look like a jerk. The relationship between Wentworth and Anne could also be one of anger and miscommunication, because in the modern world I think we can understand grudge. But the filmmakers weren't interested in telling this story. They just borrow some plot and got rid of everything else.

I don’t like how world views from past times get dismissed and scoffed at so easily when we are comfortably enjoying the blessings of that progression. However, if someone who hadn’t been into Austen before gives one of her books a try after watching this latest iteration, then that’s pretty cool.

@cmm5542

Жыл бұрын

I agree with both your points. 🙂

@alexandria1663

3 ай бұрын

Right! The sad thing about modernized renditions like this is that, historical movies are the only way some people will ever really “learn” about history, and if we are only ever dismissing or distorting historical views in our media we will lose the ability to evaluate our own culture well, or understand how those cultures achieved certain “surface traits” that we like.

This new adaptation was the ultimate let down. Poor screenplay, poor acting, poor wardrobe... I couldn't even make it half way through. Every Austenite I talk to agrees.

I loved a tweet that said that Dame Queen Emma Thompson as Elinor Dashwood was more Anne Elliot than the latest version.

@viatrix03

Жыл бұрын

Oh! That is spot on!

Netflix clearly got overconfident after the success of Bridgerton. It's a very different world to Austen's novels, but the characters in Bridgerton still act and speak somewhat like people in the Regency period, even if the vibe is more like a daytime soap opera. If people can understand the language of Bridgerton, the screenwriters should have trusted their audience to understand Persuasion

I think that "modernizing" Anne Elliot means they are overlooking a pretty strong, fairly modern theme. She learns to fight for what she wants while balancing that with respecting those around her. Truthfully, they could have done SOOOO much better! Loved the choices for Mr. Elliot and Mary, but even in the trailer, everything else comes across as "yeah, no one actually wants to see that, so let's update it!" Also, making the two leads talk so much destroys the absolute agony of their silence! Last point of my rant, silent characters should be seen as a boon to directors because it means they can be more artistic with their choices. Persuasion has so much characterization shown through the setting and that would have carried well to the big screen.

Frankly, this adaptation was a travesty, more of an appropriation than an adaptation. The writing was just bad and the dialogue was cringeworthy. It was the opposite of witty and clever, as in the examples of Anne's ridiculous comment about the Octopus, and the shocking rudeness of her comment pointing out to everyone at dinner that Charles had proposed to her first. Anne Elliot would never behave with such a crass lack of manners and cruelty. I agree with all those who suggested in their comments to this video that this is not a modernization (like Clueless or Bride and Prejudice which are successful modernizations), but rather an outrageous instance of lazy and careless screen writing. I would be totally happy to see a modern version of Persuasion, provided the characterizations, social dynamics and relationships were respected. This was not that. First there was the total character assassination of Anne, turning her into a wine-guzzling, obnoxious, self-pitying and mean crazy ex-girlfriend. Wentworth was wooden and not romantic at all (both the leads were miscast in my opinion). Louisa Musgrove made no sense and in general the Musgroves had no personality. I did like the Elliots, including Mr. Elliot, as well as Lady Russell (even in spite of that one ridiculous sexual innuendo she made). On the whole, though, the script did them no favours, meaning that none of the characters were that consistent or believable and even the clothing was deeply problematic from a historical point of view. I also disagree that this adaptation was in any way feminist, nor was the characterization of Anne feminist, unless you understand feminism only in the most superficial sense as encouraging women to be brash and pushy. Anne seemed to have no self-respect and was forever embarrassing herself. Anyway, I am not very worried that this adaptation will "ruin" Persuasion. I have no doubt that if it is remembered at all, it will be as one of the worst book to movie adaptations ever, and definitely the worst Austen adaptation. There was a certain amount of hype around Netflix's Rebecca before it was released, but a couple of years later no one even remembers or mentions it. It certainly has not supplanted the classic Hitchcock film or affected the popularity of the novel. In the same way, people who are interested in watching an adaptation of Persuasion, will ignore this embarrassing version and will go looking for either of the excellent 1995 or 2007 adaptations.

You can still do a modern Anne who has been walked over people her whole life. There are still people who have trouble standing up for themselves and who are co-dependent. That's a very modern problem for many people. 🤷‍♀️ Also, there's no way the Anne in Netflix Persuasion would let someone talk her out of marrying Wentworth. It makes no sense any more, if she's so outspoken and strong willed, why'd she turn him down?

@TheMemoryPolice

Жыл бұрын

yes. I'm one of them. This is why I love Anne so much. This movie totally butchered her character.It's so unfair.

@amyquinn4141

Жыл бұрын

100% agree. If I referred to someone as a doormat, the majority of the US would understand what that meant. There are plenty of "yes" people out there.

@etherealtb6021

Жыл бұрын

@@amyquinn4141 Yes! Think how interesting an actual modern take, with modern psychology would've been! The Netflix Anne had been a dormat, who gave up what she wanted for nothing and she had to learn to stand up for herself to not lose what she wants forever. Pretty compelling and a true modern update on Austen's themes in Persuasion, right?

@amyquinn4141

Жыл бұрын

@@etherealtb6021 exactly! Watchable for everyone! The Austen fans won't be sitting there comparing to their beloved novel. They'll be watching it a la clueless and 10 things to I hate about you. The spirit of your beloved character translated to how the story would look in today's society.

I appreciate what you're saying about the relative inaccessibility of 200 year old cultural norms and how they affect an individual's or character's personality, but if they wanted to translate Austen to a modern audience, they went about it completely backwards, modernizing the story and characters themselves instead of giving us a window onto their view-- I think the adaptations of the 90s, like Clueless sure, but *especially* like Romeo and Juliet where they kept the word-for-word language and story of over twice as long ago intact and made the *setting* something a modern person can relate to, were so successful because they actually made the language accessible and brought it within arm's reach, really demonstrating that these were popular, relatable media of the time which give us a human connection to the people of the time, and not something that's still around just to look fancy and be purposefully inaccessible. Imagine getting an Austen adaptation where it's physically set today, but not a word is changed. I'd watch the heck out of that!

They could have perfectly done a story from this time inspired by persuasion, the fact that they merged it was a big mistake. One of the things that make us love Austen is her loyal depiction of her era, and the way she makes us feel with her witty remarks because we get to know what the era she lives in is like. They could even have made this modern version based on influencers and be called Influenced. With Louisa's falling to get a selfie. I mean it's right there!

@barbarafrings9231

Жыл бұрын

Oh, that's a great idea! Would be interesting to watch. 🙂

I gave it 2 chances-found it unwatchable. I have no problem with GOOD modernizations, updates. The videography was good. And I don’t blame the acting. I blame the script, storylines, character development decisions, overall vision. I felt little chemistry between the leads. And the lead character Anne is unrecognizable to me from the Anne I got to know in Austen’s book.

@EllieDashwood

Жыл бұрын

So many good points. And the leads had zero chemistry! And the main actress had such a powerful screen presence that she totally overshadowed Wentworth every time they were in a scene together. They were not equals for sure. At least in my opinion. 😂

@LadyAhro

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Clueless is brilliant. This was a mess.

@ccburro1

Жыл бұрын

@@EllieDashwood I agree. And (per the book), Wentworth is supposed to be magnetic, brilliant, immensely attractive (not just physically) person. Even though Ciarin Hinds was not the right age for Wentworth, he was all those things.

@heriette

Жыл бұрын

@@ccburro1 Oh yes, I can forgive Ciarán Hinds being too old for Wentworth since he has such an immense charisma in the 1995 version, you just have to watch him every time he's on screen. Like, I can really believe that Anne wouldn't be able to move on from him for 7 years. The 2022 actor felt just totally replaceable to me.

@youramericanfriend9478

Жыл бұрын

💯% agree with your analysis.

I went into it open minded and decided that I'm going to just try and enjoy the movie for what it is. But then they had this scene where Mary talks about her misfortunes and Anne is "explaining" the joke to the audience. It's like the writers had 0 confidence in the viewer's intelligence to pick up on the joke themselves. Even when not compared to the source material, it's just not good. I did love the cinematography.

This was such an interesting essay on feminism, the deep/surface culture, and evolution of thought. None of the other Persuasion reviews I watched discussed it in this way. Excellent job!

@tashmoore3825

Жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@cmm5542

Жыл бұрын

Oh yes, yes, yes!

@melissacorbett4180

Жыл бұрын

100% agree. The analysis in this video was exceptional 👌

Liked the orca with the iceberg, so cute! As someone raised in secular, progressive and feminist Sweden, I still can't grasp why anyone would struggle to understand that 200 year old characters are different from people today. And they don't act that weird, people today still struggle to communicate even if we have Iphones. I think book-Anne is more relatable than this drunk-Anne. And as a feminist, I find it terrible that they disrespect proto and early feminists and their efforts by making them so modern in style and jargon. I would have loved to keep the original Mrs Croft quote, but alas.

@barbarafrings9231

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree! 🙂

You're way too kind. It was painful to watch. I remember almost crying watching the trailer, I was so incensed. But thought I'd give it the benefit of the doubt. But unfortunately it made me want to cry even more.

Starting out by saying that I watched it on a chaotic Saturday with children running in and out and I was only paying half attention, but some of this stuff was glaring. I think the way the father and sisters were characterized was hilarious, but I didn't appreciate how Anne was so snarky and #winelife. Anne isn't a Lizzie Bennet, full of lively thoughts, she's more subdued and more earnest. I also liked how it showed her relationship with her nephews and her sister's sisters-in-law. I didn't like how Wentworth walks through the movie looking completely bewildered and constipated and I didn't like the modern vernacular peppered throughout.

@EllieDashwood

Жыл бұрын

😂 Why was Wentworth so bewildered? How did this guy survive the navy? 😂And I literally had a friend text me to ask if Anne really drank so much in the book!

@mrosestep

Жыл бұрын

If Netflix wanted to make a movie about Elizabeth Bennet so bad, nothing is stopping them from remaking Pride and Prejudice.

@saraa3418

Жыл бұрын

@@EllieDashwood I was shocked to find myself rooting for her father's heir because he seemed to appreciate her in a way that no one else did, plus it would really thumb her father and sister's nose.

@sengarics

Жыл бұрын

You paid half attention because it couldn't be watched otherwise. I just couldn't focus on it for 5 minutes straight.

@mybookishdelights4767

Жыл бұрын

Seriously... Wentworth was so stiff! I felt zero emotions for him.

I thought it was a fun movie but did injustice to the book. They had a great opportunity to bring an introverted woman to the spotlight and show her to be as much of a heroine as the outspoken and brash extroverts. It would have been a step for our culture to start appreciating people with Anne Eliot’s personality traits. What a waste. It saddens me. Loved your discussion and explanations Ellie!

Anne's character is so completely changed that it doesn't feel like the same story. And breaking the 4th wall (while Emma did it well)...this felt like a Fleabag fever dream. Watched it once and ugh.... If I want modern(ish) Regency, I'll watch Bridgeton.

Before I even watched your video I want to say YES!!!!! I watched it last Sunday and it was trash TRASH TRASH ‼️‼️‼️ I’m so infuriated!!! It’s my favourite book of Jane Austen 😭

@EllieDashwood

Жыл бұрын

Persuasion is much too beloved to be adapted so lightly! 😭

@KariinSama

Жыл бұрын

@@EllieDashwood exactly!!!! 👏🏻

I think you are 100% correct in that this adaptation was not intended for Austen fans, especially not for those who might follow your or other Austen channels, who have gone deeper into the worldview underlying Austen's (or other) period literature. You mentioned "Clueless" at the beginning of this Video. The makers of "Clueless" and of this adaptation both intended to modernise Austen novels. However, in "Clueless", the Director/Producers chose to simply tell the Emma story in a modern setting. In this adaptation, they wanted the frocks and castles and furniture, but not the Story/Characters. Definitely NOT the best Austen adaptation, though, 2007's sprint through Regency Bath was hardly "quality" adapting either>

Fun fact: A few years ago, I script supervised an indie comedy feature literally called "Modern Persuasion," which set Persuasion in the modern corporate world. It came out in 2020 and starred Alicia Witt. (I'm sure Netflix would have heard of it.) I haven't seen this adaptation, yet, but it's obviously jumping on the Bridgerton trend.

@shellymavs3725

Жыл бұрын

I saw “Modern Persuasion”. I really liked it a lot! So much better than this version of Persuasion! Anne’s character when she sees ( I forgot what they called him cuz the cat is Wentworth..lol)… but it’s awkward, and she nearly hyperventilates seeing him. In this version she is very bold and says You’re old! When she sees him!!! What!! Even Lizzie Bennet wouldn’t do that! So yes Modern Persuasion is definitely better!!❤️❤️

I understand that this movie wasn’t made for me, but I don’t think it was made for teens/Gen Z either. What everyone seems to ignore is that GENUINE-FEELING period dramas that are DONE WELL are captivating for audiences of ALL AGES. They didn’t “modernize” Downton Abbey because they didn’t have to - they made great cinema. The 1995 BBC version of Pride & Prejudice was a huge hit BECAUSE it didn’t talk down to people. I fell in love with Jane Austen’s books when I was 15 and had to look up some of the words in the dictionary - most of us were pretty young when we discovered her - we didn’t need “modern jargon” (and frankly didn’t want it). AND C’MON - look at the success of Twilight - they didn’t make Bella a witty boozer and give Edward a 2022 worldview AND KIDS LOVED IT.

So, what's next? Shakespeare's "Macbath" as a comedy series? The stories of Mickey Mouse as family drama? A new adaptation of "The Sound of Music" as an erotic thriller?

@helenhotchkiss8973

Жыл бұрын

Hi Ellie - I've been watching your videos for quite a while now but have never posted before. I just felt I had to say how much I appreciated this critique of the clash of worldviews evident in the Netflix version of Persuasion. Extremely insightful and helpful - many many thanks! And I love the new studio and, of course, your cute kitty....

@antonellamR2D2

Жыл бұрын

The point is all of the above could be done e.g. Odyssey by the Coen brothers = oh, brother! But it would need the ability to write with wit and to "tune"the original material with the chosen tone.

Dakota Johnson and the actors deserved way better, Henry Golding is Captain Wentworth Material and can we just stop the Ahistorical ‘Let’s be modern and use the word ‘Regency’ as a costume’ Media? It’s really getting saturated. P.S. Credit where it’s due, the Production Design was absolutely fabulous!

@EllieDashwood

Жыл бұрын

Yes!!! Why did they have him as Mr Elliot instead of Captain Wentworth?!?! 😭

@etherealtb6021

Жыл бұрын

Omg, right? What a wasted opportunity of Richard E. Grant as Mr. Elliott, for example! 🤷‍♀️

@cjseckinger8796

Жыл бұрын

Apparently Henry Golding asked to play the part of William Elliot (instead of Wentworth). Read that somewhere, but not sure where. Sorry.

@iri2be

Жыл бұрын

I was concerned about Henry Golding as Mr. Eliott, but I thought he was rather good. He captured the attractive yet sketchy vibe I get from that group of Jane Austen characters (I.e. Crawford, Willoughby, and Wickham.) Kudos to him and Richard E Grant. I also liked the Musgrove daughters, both played as very endearing instead of a couple of airheads like in some adaptations. That better explains Anne’s attachment to the family. I never thought of this before, but it also echoes Jane’s brief engagement when she accepted the brother of good friends but repented almost immediately. She gives Anne the strength to refuse what would have been an advantageous match to Charles.

@PokhrajRoy.

Жыл бұрын

@@iri2be That’s why I didn’t rail against the cast. They just deserved a better script.

Thank you for mentioning the changes in Louisa Musgrove's character and arc. I think so much focus has been on the changes to Anne, ignoring the complete overthrow of the Musgrove storyline including the sibling rivalry as well which is an interesting reflection of Anne's own sibling relationships. And Louisa is suddenly perceptive of Anne's position and sympathetic to her? It's another character that doesn't work when so changed.

If they had called it “inspired by Persuasion” I wouldn’t have had an issue with it. Calling it an adaptation feels wrong, because the subtleties of Persuasion were lost in the new translation. Anne’s shyness and conservatism is gone and she longer the same character. Essentially, they’ve dumbed it down to make acceptable to people who haven’t read it and they way in which it’s been done means they never will or will be disappointed in the novel. It doesn’t have the cleverness of Fleabag, even though it’s been called the Fleabag version of Austen, it feels like an insult to both. I suspect that in the U.K. we’re even tougher on adaptations of classic writers, as perhaps American would be tougher on adaptations of American classics. The most recent Emma adaptation was a far better modern adaptation.

I didn’t watch this because I refuse to reaffirm Netflix in their terrible creative decisions by adding to the view count. Still, the irony is that the modern world view represented in the film is just as exclusive, skewed and forced as its regency counterpart had been and we clearly still aren’t self-aware enough to recognize if these things get produced. We think our social culture and norms are the best and only right way for a society to be, which is not one bit different from the thought process of the regency culture we rewrite because it’s “wrong” (to the extent that it’s not even allowed to exist in fictional entertainment productions).

@leannewheeler5351

Жыл бұрын

If only the rest of us had been so wise.⚘️

@cmm5542

Жыл бұрын

Oh my goodness, you took the thoughts right out of my mind and wrote it so much better than I could have! 👏👏👏

I thought it was wierd, the thing that called my attention the most was Anne drinking wine to forget her problems, a bit like Bridget Jones.

It's yet another example of the mindset that an audience will reject anything featuring characters that don't think and act exactly like they do.

When I taught literature, I'd put forward John Greene's "Reading is always an act of empathy." Invariably someone would argue that wasn't true because a character might be "someone I can't personally relate to, so how can I have empathy." Yeah, dear, you can. It takes exposure and practice. And not folks like this. I'm NOT dismissing here or suggesting the film had some obligation it didn't fulfill. But I do find this kind of stuff too easy and shallow to take seriously.

This wasn’t for me-Anne Elliot is my favorite-I was not prepared.

@kohlinoor

Жыл бұрын

None of us were, to be honest.

OMG Ellie thank you for this. It feels like a family meeting; we all need to gather and "talk about what happened," share our feelings so that we can all find peace and move forward....

This is so incredibly entertaining and thought provoking. As a historical fantasy writer your perspective here is giving me life!

@EllieDashwood

5 ай бұрын

Aw, yay! I'm so glad you enjoyed it! And thank you so much!

My biggest problem is that they completely changed Anne. The completely missed the mark on her character and the point of the story. Anne is not an antiquated character that is not relatable. The filmmakers are on social media enough to add in the trendy sayings (like "I'm an empath") but apparently not enough to hear the conversations that are happening on social media about all the millennial and even Gen Z women that grew up being Anne Elliot. There's a reason even more and more people are understanding and seeing themselves even in Charlotte Lucas these days.

I just thought the same thing about Louisa, I thought they would change the situation of her fall since she was so mature, but no! her character makes no sense. On the other hand, it seems to me, in fact, an anti-feminist speech that they changed Anne's character for one more "appropriate" to this era 🤔 it seems that things have not changed much, a woman should not necessarily be talkative and cheeky, a woman should decide her personality because that doesn't make her any more or less empowered, oh but they left out the part where she decides to go see her friend instead of her cousin, this part shows Anne's empowerment. Look at Keanu Reeves he is like a male and current version of Anne and people love him, but if he were a woman she would not be appreciated because she does not fit the cliché of feminists 🤨

@iluvmusicals21

Жыл бұрын

I don't want a modernized Austen story. I enjoy Austen's world view.

@JR-sx3gl

Жыл бұрын

You're so right! That's a very accurate comparison.

I never thought there would be a more annoying adaptation of JA than Mansfield Park 1999, but here we are. At least MP let me look at Jonny Lee Miller in Regency dress for two hours.

@maryhamric

Жыл бұрын

You can look at him for four hours in Emma. 😊

@lovetolovefairytales

Жыл бұрын

@@maryhamric I know! 😁

I couldn’t get past Anne breaking the fourth wall. I kept thinking, is this “Persuasion” or “Anne Elliot’s Day Off?” (I’m dating myself with this comment-yes, I’m old.)

I enjoyed this version of Persuasion after I realized the they were Bridgerton/Gentleman Jack -izing the story. I'm not sure the Gentleman Jack breaking of the 4th wall was really necessary in this production, but it was amusing nonetheless. I was hoping for an actual production of Persuasion, but this was a fun movie whatever it was.

I hated every minute. No issue with modernizing. But it’s not persuasion - not the characters, not the motivations. They should have just called it something else and there would never have been half this outrage. Overall, the film was a major fail. If the leads had better chemistry, it might have helped. But that was a fail too 😬

I loved the side characters, the main characters were awful. The shift in Anne's character ruined the movie for me and Captain Wentworth and Anne had no chemistry at all. I think it's mostly the script's fault. Because of the shifts in characters they were just no longer compatible.

I enjoyed the new Persuasion, but my favorite film version is the one with Amanda Root. I thought this new version was fun and light. It can be really hard to find anything new to watch that isn't excessively violent.

@piratefrenchey6222

4 ай бұрын

The Amanda Root and Ciaran Hinds Persuasion will forever be my favorite.

Why is a quiet, self-sacrificing heroine not seen as acceptable by modern audiences? Anne is essentially an introvert, and I think many women/people would identify with her character today.

If I was making this video, I’d start with: “Janely Beloved, we are gathered here today, with KZread as our witness…”

P.S. I have a friend who 100% was a wall-jumping dare devil at Louisa's age. They aren't dumb. They're just fearless adventure seekers who have no understanding of their own mortality. 🤷‍♀️

When I watched this movie, I had never even heard of the book "Persuasion" by Jane Austen. I loved "Pride and Prejudice" (2005) as well as "Sense and Sensibility" (1995), "Mansfield Park" (1999) and "Emma" (2020), but aside from those four movies, I'm not very familiar with Jane Austen's body of work. So, to me, it just felt like a period piece with a modern, quirky twist to it and anachronistic elements ("my ex", "he's a ten", etc.). And I actually enjoyed the movie; it was pretty entertaining and fun to watch. I even had a good laugh here and there. Needless to say, I was surprised to read so many negative comments on "Persuasion". That being said, I understand why this movie is a big disappointment for a lot of people. If I had been more familiar with the work of Jane Austen and/or a fan of the book, I would probably have been very disappointed, too.

I’ve put off watching this movie because I’m afraid I’ll be disappointed. I love Anne Elliot just the way Austen wrote it, and they could have modernize her respecting her character (introverted people do exist). I feel they didn’t put any effort into understanding the characters or the story, they just wanted some public domain book to turn into the next Bridgerton and they happened to chose this one because Austen is famous and it’s been a while since the last movie adaptation of Persuasion

I'm so glad you did this review! I've been waiting to hear your take on it and you made some points I hadn't thought of. Spot on! I watched the movie and the whole time I kept thinking "WHAT?!" Persuasion is my favorite Austen novel and I tried to look at this adaptation with an open mind, but I just kept getting second hand embarrassment and cringing. I felt zero chemistry between Anne and Wentworth and if I didn't know the story, I would have no idea WHY she wanted to be with him. She had more chemistry with Mr. Elliot. The 4th wall breaking drove me crazy, the modern language itself was out dated, and all the telling instead of showing completely pulled me out of the film and was rather insulting. The reason I love Anne's character so much is because she's so different from Lizzy and Emma. The modern idea that a woman has to be a bold, sassy, wine drinking "girl boss" in order to be seen as strong and worthy of affection is infuriating.

I agree with everything you said. The movie looked like a beautiful regency era story but the words/lines the characters used brought me right back in 2022. It took away the escapism in history that I love about Jane Austen's world. The only thing I disagree with you about is Anne's pet because I have two bunnies and I think that was awesome 😊

I didn’t just hate it, I LOATHED it! Only the names and costuming had anything to do with Jane Austen’s PERSAUSION.

Granted I never read Persuasion, so I may be bias, but I cannot STOP watching this film. I love it so much 😭❤️❤️! Now I will say I would have taken out the term "exes" and left out the little joke about "the reason why I go on so many European tours." However, this movie is an intoxicatingly sweet pleasure to watch. Tonight will be my 5th time watching.

@MishezzieMay

Жыл бұрын

Same, I love it!! X

Modern filmmakers these days all make the same movie. I don't agree that society has changed as much as it appears to have in the movies. Jane Austen still resonates because the majority of people who love her books still have similar values. Most filmmakers these days want to take something established and change it to their particular viewpoint. Jane Austen is a classic and will continue to be classic for a reason. This movie (with apologies to Ben Jonson) is of an age, and not for all time.

@danielrobinson7350

Жыл бұрын

Are you really saying the majority of Austen readers now are Christian, believe travelling on a Sunday is wrong, believe women having sex before marriage is wrong?

@JR-sx3gl

Жыл бұрын

I agree. They have only one template to portray a woman and will use it regardless if it fits or not. I hate this adaptation, because it cut out one of the most relatable characters in Austen's writing and pasted in a Bridget Jones (who is likable in her own film, but less and less with every next appearance for the past 20 years).

@cmm5542

Жыл бұрын

@@danielrobinson7350 No, but they do tend to have some respect for others' religious beliefs and rights to uphold and express them. It's discriminatory to say we must change the values of a period piece because they are not consistent with those of our culture. I would not attempt to make a Muslim or Hindu classic work of literature support a Christian or secular worldview; that's bigoted and cultural appropriation and just plain wrong.

And now having see the video, I add: I'm not against modernizing books, but only if they do it as in Clueless, as you said. I read once that Bridget Jones' diary is loosely inspired in Pride and Prejudice (they have a Darcy that is ... "THE" Darcy). And that movie didn't shocked me. My husband, poor thing, watched first the Netflix version. He said that something was off... So now I'm showing him the real ones ❤️😀

I just watched this video and it was the first time I’ve seen one of your videos. I am now going to stay up into the wee hours to watch as many as I can before my eyes refuse to cooperate any longer. I have loved Jane Austen since the wonderful, amazing Sr. Mary RSM introduced us to Pride and Prejudice in 1968. As a teen and young adult, I, of course, loved P&P since those long ago days. But as I matured, so did my reading of our beloved Jane’s works. I now still love P&P, but it is Persuasion that speaks to both my heart and my mind. Thank you so much for a brilliant deconstruction of the newest Persuasion- yours is the first review I have read/seen that understood JA well enough to make a reasoned description of this film and it’s problems. I am sure I will enjoy my binge tonight.

I haven't seen it. I probably won't. No. I'm not "anti-Netflix." However, I really appreciate the effort you went to in linking the old and the new. I also appreciate your use of deep culture / surface culture linkage. You put a lot of work and a lot of thought into these videos. I always come away with some new perspective to think about. Thank you.

I love Persuasion too much, to watch this new adaptation 🙄😳👎🏻😭 Glad to hear you are making positive changes!😎🤩🥳

For someone who supposedly has stepped back and won't "be doing as much", I regret to inform you that your review of Persuasion 2022 has the most original "take" of all the ones I've watched (I'm up to a half dozen, and all are pretty good). Your discussion of "translations" between the Regency and modern views was fascinating, and it is the best explanation for why most of these translations don't work. I summarized what we see (in 2022 Persuasion) as being neither fish nor fowl, and agree with you that the target audience was not Janeites, but the young, woke (and mostly female) movie population that wants to see empowered women doing what they want, and hot, but apologetic and submissive guys. And if there are any charming "Johnny Bads" around (like Elliot Junior), the audience can wonder and sigh about why Anne didn't go for him. They would if given the chance, but doesn't that merely return us to realization that Persuasion 2022 really IS about modern society, not Regency England? Thanks for the intelligent content, and glad to hear you're being well.

@danielrobinson7350

Жыл бұрын

Woke - alert to racial prejudice and discrimination. Surely that’s something that everybody should be?

@kevinrussell1144

Жыл бұрын

@@danielrobinson7350 Absolutely, Dan, facts be damned. We should be alert to racial prejudice and discrimination in everything, at all times, no matter what the venue, or when the material was produced. And anything that doesn’t have BLM sensibility should be instantly cancelled. The US Constitution should be cancelled, and virtually all books written by white people before 2000 (pre-modern, and most since) should be burned, since they benefited from white privilege. What could be more reasonable? You should get after that right now, buddy.

@cmm5542

Жыл бұрын

@@danielrobinson7350 I don't think that's what the word means. It's certainly not applied that way, either by people who believe in it or don't. It usually means writing off everything people did well in the past because they don't live up to our modern achievements. If past cultures had achieved everything for us, there would be nothing left for us moderns to do to make the world a better place. Doesn't mean our ancestors didn't do their bit too, just in a different way; and if they made mistakes in the past, they should be forgiven because we moderns are also human and make mistakes too.

@danielrobinson7350

Жыл бұрын

@@cmm5542 Merriam-Webster ‘aware of and actively attentive to important issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)’ again, something everybody ought to be. It does often seem to be used in the context of ‘you’re not allowing me to be racist, sexist or homophobic, so I’m going to call you woke.’ Not saying you’re being any of these.

@kevinrussell1144

Жыл бұрын

@@danielrobinson7350 Dan, I’m sure you’re a good guy and mean well. I also appreciate you not immediately jumping to the conclusion I’m racist or homophobic. I would never give thumbs down to Fire Island's claim it is a modern telling of Pride and Prejudice (if the show runners claim that as their inspiration, how can one argue?), nor do I question the need or desire for more diverse casting. We live in a diverse world. But if someone WANTS to cast a movie that looks like the actual world of Jane Austen, or doesn’t want it to include currently popular gender themes or intersectionality, or the casual hookups of modern rom-coms, that should be accepted as well. As an example, we watched the new Midway movie a few days ago. All the Japanese sailors and soldiers were played by…..Japanese actors, and virtually all the American sailors and airmen were white. Is it racist or coddling to white (or Japanese) supremacy to cast it that way, since that actually was the way the contestants stacked up? Everything does not need to be woke/aware. Sometimes we actually need to see real representations of how things really were, not how we wish they would be. Truth is a wonderful and precious (and rare) thing. Appreciate it when you see it. I like trying to understand (for myself) how and why Jane Austen viewed her world as she did. I don't need a post-modern sensibility telling me I've got it all wrong.

I so appreciated your view points of this adaptation! You articulated what I could not about how the modernization robbed this version of the beautiful love story. How Anne’s quiet and painful loneliness and lack of hope created a burst of freedom when Wentworth professes his longtime love for her. It also took away how her returning his love gave him what he really desired which was a true wife instead of a pet.

If a screen writer is looking for a key dramatic moment to explore in Persuasion, the Luisa fall and injury is one such moment. Setting aside Luisa's behavior, Anne's response to Luisa's injury is critical to how Wentworth views her as a strong person. Wentworth sees Anne take charge, and is inspired by her. He insists that she stay while he goes on the errand and this could present so many opportunities for the two characters to connect on a meaningful level. It also allows the two characters to relate in a less formal setting. In any movie, it has the potential to be a powerful moment for the couple.

But general people have watched period drama and understand it , i feel like the screenwriters are treating us as if we were that stupid . Changing the personalities of the main characater and dinamics makes the story having zero sense if they were going to modernize everything but the clothes and places just to have a pretty looking movie well that is lazy filmmaking

@lovetolovefairytales

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I feel like this movie treats me like I'm slow.

@ilmaba1756

Жыл бұрын

YES, many things are being dumbed down, when it would be more entertaining and educational to stick to the original.

@cmm5542

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention that you could make a modern movie with nice clothes and settings if you wanted to promote a modern message. Shoot a scene at Paddington Station with everyone coming in all dressed up for the office in cute summer clothes on the one hot week we got in the UK this year!

I think you absolutely hit the nail on the head with this review, Ellie. We Janeites and history buffs tend to forget that the vast majority of mainstream readers/watchers are not deeply knowledgeable or invested in all the historical accuracies of Regency life, and at the end of the day just want a feel good movie inaccuracies be darned. This movie was most definitely geared towards the mainstream bc they knew us Austen lovers would watch anyway and so needed to try and draw in the masses as well lol. All that being said, I didn't absolute hate the movie, I just class it with other modernized historical rom coms like Bridgerton (though I actually liked Persuasion quite a bit more).

Persuasion 2022 is the first ever Jane Austen production I have ever watched. Even I had no idea about the regency era before, it was easy to work out that this movie has modernised it massively. What it does is that I became intrigued by what the original work was like and ended up falling into the amazing (and authentic) universe of Austen! So if the future generation watched this, I think the cinematography itself is pretty enough that, hopefully, this will open the gate to the truly great literature of the master. This is how I got to your channel btw. Thanks to your clarification, I have a much better appreciation of her other work. Oh Mr Darcy xxx

@wendymontie5660

Жыл бұрын

Please watch the 1995 Persuasion with Amanda Root and Ciaran Hinds... it is stellar. Full disclosure: I refuse to see this Netflix 'thing' called "Persuasion".