Jordan was known for gambling, but on the court, he always cashed out.

@BiggzPackinThaHeat

10 күн бұрын

🔥🔥🔥

@ball4life27

10 күн бұрын

He was gambling too much on defense

@NewNormalWorldOrder

9 күн бұрын

I think MJ got caught betting on games and the league suspended him/banned him. They let him play baseball to stay in shape. They saw the ratings without him and the plummeting popularity and just had to bring him back.

@pesky19

9 күн бұрын

no he didn't

@rackball5858

9 күн бұрын

@@NewNormalWorldOrderThat’s asinine & outrageous. First off, letting Jordan play baseball “to keep him in shape” is the opposite of keeping him in shape when it’s a completely different sport. The league wouldn’t ban Jordan unless concrete evidence came out that he was betting on games. Why sacrifice a drop in ratings & not hide it. No, the real reason is simply Jordan was 50/50 after winning the Finals. The disappearance & murder of his father 2 months before the start of the season & the nefarious harassment by certain sector’s in the media most likely influenced Jordan to step away.

Watching this 15 minute breakdown of MJs defense makes me tired already so imagine him doing this for 82 games while averaging 35-6-5.5

@davidfebreeze428

8 күн бұрын

Just remember you’re watching highlight plays and not possession by possession

@jacobfuc827

7 күн бұрын

@@davidfebreeze428these are not all highlight plays he tried to run around screens and being a step to slow to contest is not a highlight. Failing to get a steal isn’t a highlight, overall he’s great on defense tho his athleticism and intensity is infectious.

@davidfebreeze428

7 күн бұрын

@@jacobfuc827 highlights plays in the sense that he tried if you look for it you find plenty of possessions where he didn’t move an inch even if he basically didn’t have any ground to cover to defend

@nonamewillbegiven7228

6 күн бұрын

​@@jacobfuc827be quiet smooth brain

@tylerwilson8615

5 күн бұрын

@@r-jaybolante2144 I swear he’s getting a hand in the shooters face like 40% of the time on the perimeter. Dude was a mad man on defense.

Lets not forget that MJ was voted DPOY 4 times by the coaches, but won it only once because their votes were diluted by the other voters. Coaches know best the impact MJ had on disrupting their own offenses.

@isaacnitta4133

5 күн бұрын

looking at the stats of the runner ups it was clear he still didnt deserve DPOY.

@nonamewillbegiven

5 күн бұрын

@@isaacnitta4133 so he deserved it indeed and you only care about stats instead of impact. Try harder trolll

@johnceliz9061

5 күн бұрын

@@isaacnitta4133 "looking at the stats"...yeah that's all you kids care about. watch the actual games goofy

@reodagreo7637

3 күн бұрын

If that’s true that’s ill

@nathanbartel9442

2 күн бұрын

@@isaacnitta4133 which stats? He lead all guards in bpg and set the highest bpg season for all guards (was top 15 in bpg that season, 14th in total blocks), lead the league in steals and steals per game that year. He was 2nd in Defensive Win Shares that year (1st was Hakeem). He was 1st in Defensive Box Plus Minus that year (almost an entire point above the 2nd place guy). And he was 6th in defensive rating that year. And for guards, he had the 5th most total (tied for 4th in defensive rpg) defensive rebounds that season.

Pretty wild to think that the man who led the league in points and minutes played was also one of the most active perimeter defenders, and also provided above-averge rim protection.

@db-hj9cu

5 күн бұрын

82 games

@isaacnitta4133

5 күн бұрын

really horrid competition

@chazzx1018

5 күн бұрын

​@@isaacnitta4133plumbers and firemen right? Stupid opinion. Stop downgrading an era to make another look better. Jordan would avg insane numbers today.

@nonamewillbegiven

5 күн бұрын

@@isaacnitta4133 try harder trolll

@Larph13

5 күн бұрын

He was a MONSTER in his prime. They don't call 'Black Jesus' for nothing.

Even if Jordan didnt win DPOY that year, hes still arguably one of the best defensive players in that era. Almost every year, MJ was all team 1st defense and continued to play great defense even when he was aging. Its such an obvious ploy to put MJ's resume down, in what I assume is an effort to superficially inflate a modern players resumes 👀

@stupidrules1000

6 күн бұрын

classic MJ goat of the gaps argument. MJ is the goat because of X stat...actually someone else is better in that cstegory....that stat doesn't even matter that much. Yall need to stop. Just admit that your jordan goatness is based on marketing, songs and sneakers, instead of basketball reasons.

@PROTOGgouki

6 күн бұрын

@@stupidrules1000 What gap? Which X stat? What stat "doesn't even matter that much" ?? Be specific lmao Let me highlight a significant 'gap' in MJ resume. Jordan's tied for 1st in most All-NBA defense 1st team selections, he would probably have more if he didn't retire. He obviously didn't but which other player have you seen compete AND DOMINATE on both sides of the game as much as Jordan does. Hakeem was not as dominant, so was Robinson, or Duncan. When Jordan won DPOY he wasn't even in his prime.

@nonamewillbegiven1217

6 күн бұрын

@@stupidrules1000 try harder trolll

@Markbru766

3 күн бұрын

@@stupidrules1000so what stats should we base it on? Hating ass lol

@stupidrules1000

16 сағат бұрын

@@PROTOGgouki Goat of the gaps is a play on the phrase god of the gaps. If you don't know, you don't know. its basically that god exists only where we don't understand things. it also refers to instances where theists will arugue x event proves god's existence for centuries. Then when science gives a natural explanation for x, theists will say...well x was not that imprtant to prove god. I am saying that people have been saying for years that one of the things that puts jordan atop the goat hill is his dpoy. And now that his dpoy is in question, here you are saying that the dpoy doesn't really matter that much. likewise, people will say that lebron cannot be the goat because jordan has more championships....but then when people point out that russell has almost double the championships, the same people will say the championships aren't that important. people will say that jordan has more mvps than lebron...but then people will point out that kareem has more mvps than jordan...and then mvps arent that impotant either. people will say that mj averaged 37 for a whole season...and then you point out that Wilt averaged 50 (and 25) for a season on better efficiency...and then they say one season doesnt prove anything. As soon as an argument for jordan is debunked or weakened, jordan goatists say that argument wasnt all that important. And not for nothing....Dream wasn't dominant? word? I mean, ask shaq if dream wasn't dominant. That claim is so absurd as to render your other opinions invalid. David Robinson...i mean, yeah, all he ever did was be all defense 8 times, win an mvp, win a scoring title (by dropping 73 in the last game of the season to pass up shaq), lead the league in rebounds, lead the league blocks, win rookie of the year and 2 championships. It seems that your definition dominant is basically...wear 23 for the bulls. There isn't logical consistency.

Dale Ellis was a world class sharpshooter 🔥🔥

@charmainebucco951

9 күн бұрын

One of the best pure shooters in any era period. The man should've won a chip.

@mediocreukulele7797

9 күн бұрын

Even Larry Bird is having a hard time thinking Steph Curry is a better shooter than Ellis was.

@robertjacob8765

9 күн бұрын

There is 1 clear G.O.A.T. Lebron has had the most combined all-stars, shooters, veteran minimum notables, and teammates taking paycuts to stack his teams from top to bottom. Always switching to new teams with new prime stars and handpicking players to fill out the rest of his rosters with teammates that he feels will compliment him. Despite having the most help, he's had the most failures, especially for the amount of help he's had... 4-6 in finals (Losing record) 22-33 Wins/Losses (Losing record) Most finals losses (Losing record) Most swept in finals (Losing record) Had the 6th worst +/- in a finals 2004 missed playoffs 2005 missed playoffs 2006 eliminated 2007 swept 2008 eliminated 2009 eliminated 2010 eliminated 2011 eliminated (Biggest meltdown ever) 2012-2013 Wade/Bosh/Handpicked squad 2014 eliminated 2015 eliminated 2016-2018 Kyrie/Love/Handpicked squad 2019 missed playoffs 2021 eliminated 2022 missed playoffs 2023 swept 2024 first round gentelman sweep 2020 Bubble ring favored older players that needed rest/Faced Heat with 44 wins, Butler's 2nd best teammate was an injured Dragic lol, and Lebron had AD along with the rest of his handpicked sqaud... Lebron is 3-4 against 60+ win teams in the playoffs, and MJ is 7-2 against such teams. Lebron is 10-10 against 50+ win teams, and MJ is 20-7 against such teams... Lebron’s rankings... Total points - 1st Points Per Game - 5th Playoff PPG - 6th Scoring Titles - 6th Finals MVP Awards - 2nd All Defensive First Teams - 5th Player Efficiency Rating - 3rd Playoff PER - 3rd Win Shares/48 Min - 8th Playoff WS/48 - 3rd Playoff BPM - 3rd Offensive BPM - 2nd Playoff Defensive BPM - 2nd Game Score - 14th MJ's rankings... Total points - 5th Points Per Game - 1st Playoff PPG - 1st Scoring Titles - 1st Finals MVP Awards - 1st All Defensive First Teams - 1st Player Efficiency Rating - 1st Playoff PER - 1st Win Shares/48 Min - 1st Playoff WS/48 - 1st Playoff BPM - 1st Offensive BPM - 1st Playoff Defensive BPM - 1st Game Score - 1st MJ leads Lebron 21-7 in every Advanced analytic, Per stat, and major accomplishment, which includes scoring championships, all-defensive first teams, MVPs, DPOY, PER, Offensive rating, Defensive rating, O/D Rating Diff, W/S per 48, BPM, Career Winning Percentage, NBA championships, Finals MVPs, Finals losses, Finals W/L record, Playoff winning percentage, Career PPG, Steals per game, Blocks per game, FT%, and less Turnovers per game. Lebron's only 7 categories are TS%, VORP (Longevity), Finals Appearances (Most help all-time), assists per game, rebounds per game, FG%, and 3P%. Kareem outscores Lebron in these categories 14-11, having a better resume himself. Just below is how MJ scores against other all-time greats... Kareem - 14 Lebron - 11 MJ vs. Kareem (16-9) MJ vs. Lebron (21-7) MJ vs. Magic (18-10) MJ vs. Duncan (21-5) MJ vs. Russell (11-4) MJ vs. Shaq (19-6) MJ vs. Wilt (14-2) MJ vs. Durant (22-6) MJ vs. Curry (22-5) MJ vs. Bird (21-6) MJ vs. Kobe (24-3) MJ vs. Hakeem (22-5) Lebron only shoots a higher FG% than MJ due to the number of shots he takes at the rim. Lebron shoots below 40% from beyond 3 feet of the rim for his career. Lebron has the liberty of shooting so much in the paint because of all the floor spacing shooters he has had, and there's no big centers waiting on him in the paint. MJ was a major floor spacer from midrange for his team, having only 1-2 shooters for a select number of minutes in any game. Also, the bigger the position, the higher their FG% is supposed to be. Lebron only shooting a decimal higher is actually bad when it's put into context. Switch Lebron and MJ's shooting charts, and you'll be absolutely shocked how high MJ's FG% would be if he shot from where Lebron does. Same with how low Lebron’s FG% would be shooting from where MJ did. Lebron only shoots a higher percentage at one place from distance, and that's from beyond the 3 point line. But that's only because of the emphasis causing players today to practice and shoot from there more often. In the only 3 seasons that MJ shot 3 or more attempts from beyond the ark, his percentages were 37.4, 37.6, and 42.7 (higher than Lebron ever shot from beyond the ark)... Imagine if Lebron had 1 all-star, 3-4 good role players, and some bums to fill out his roster for up to 7 years of his career while playing in the tougher conference, kind of like MJ. Then Lebron would have what? 2-3 finals appearances max? 1-2 championships max? Maybe considered a top 20 player of all-time at best? Lebron, having the most help all-time to get into the top 3 conversation, has tainted his own legacy and shouldn't be put ahead of Kareem. If people still talk about Bill Russell (RIP) to this day for having so much help and have him all over their top 10 all-time lists, then Lebron’s legacy is also tainted forever... MJ was one of the greatest all-around players of all-time. He once averaged 32.5/8/8 for an entire season, 11.4 assists in the 1991 finals, and a triple double over a span of several weeks while playing PG. MJ handed basketball duties over to Pippen after his horrific rookie season, at Phil's request, to help him grow into a decent teammate for the betterment of the team. MJ would then focus on his two-way specialty game so Pippen could be productive for the team as well. But Pippen never put up the stats mentioned above that MJ put up earlier in his career. Don't listen to the narratives that the media has to put out there for their own ratings. They needed to manufacture a fake goat in MJ's absence for the NBA's ratings and their own. But they'll eventually tell more truth when Lebron’s gone for some time, while they lift a new star for ratings...

@revengeszn8739

Күн бұрын

​@@robertjacob8765 you got issues. Legitimate issues. I dont say this lightly. When i see politics debates where extremely hateful/emotional people participate, this is right up there. Seek help

The simple fact that someone is writing an article to discredit Jordan's DPOY 35 years later is proof that there is a propaganda campaign at play.

@philoubertjeanlouis4682

10 күн бұрын

But is he correct? Because if score keepers were juicing MJs stats then that is a huge asterisk on his legacy.

@ajjamaal646

10 күн бұрын

I suspect Klutch Sports is at work here...

@BurritoKingdom

10 күн бұрын

​@@philoubertjeanlouis4682 Home scorekeepers always juice stats for home stars. This has been known for years. Especially when it comes to assists.

@masoshoujo

10 күн бұрын

@@philoubertjeanlouis4682the 10 games the article highlighted where jordan had “inflated stats” has no video available anywhere. it’s clear that someone *klutch sports🤧* is trying to diminish jordan’s accomplishments and prop up somebody else as the goat *oscar winner of best in flopping*

@masongreen1371

10 күн бұрын

That’s a huge leap in logic. How is that alone proof?

I absolutely love the chaos of congested no spacing games, all the bodies shifting and moving and banging trying to find just a sliver of day light. Sure, it was bad basketball when they forced bigs that weren't very good offensively to get possessions run for them so much, but this is why i love the 90s so much-there was still a lot of this, but now with more 3 pt stretching-but not too much. So in a lot of ways todays bball and 80s and before have the same issues-too much of one thing. Too many post ups/half court sets(with lots of fast breaks for easier pts). Too many 3pt jack ups(with lots of half assed minimally contested layups). They both can lead to very boring bball-but if i had to choose, id elect to watch those big bodies crashing into each other for every loose ball, every rebound etc. As far as it was easier for perimeter defenders back then-well just watch 90s tape when perimeter play really ramped up in large part thanks to Chuck forcing the NBA to implement the 3 sec back to the basket rule. Jordan was all over the floor in his 30s in the 90s as well. Even as a Wizard at 40, he was out there hustling the same you see in his DPOTY season-just not as the same speed or explosion and did rest more at that point, but still more effort than stars in the prime today. Defense ultimately comes down to effort-that's why guys like Marcus Smart, Pat Bev, Klay Thompson, dating back to Dan Majerle, Mookie, hell even Mugsey would be praised for their D despite obvious physical limitations, and that's why versatile guys with size tend to be favored from the eye test including in prime LeBron and even Pippen over Jordan as the better defender. The more versatile does not automatically mean better. Pip and Jordan were so near equally elite that is why they were so dominant. Imagine putting peak healthy Kawhi and Kobe together, they would dominante the same way, but the arguments would be everywhere about who the better defender actually is(it would be Kawhi in this case), if only bc Kobe was far more selective with his effort vs non stop endless energy that Jordan had. When Kobe turned it on for those possessions that mattered, there's not too much the offensive player could do-same with LeBron when he would turn it on. Smotherig on ball when it counted-and the ref allowed more physical defense. (As a Rockets fan, i hated how the refs would let defenders like Smart or Lebron completely harass Harden on ball after calling every ticky tack foul to put Harden on the line the first 3 qtrs. Drove me mad. It's not just star power, but reputation that lets defenders get better at the end of games when the refs are more likely to allow what would not be allowed the rest of the game). I just don't rate highly selective defenders like that very high even if they are capable. Conserving energy for key defensive plays is much easier than the guy who has exhausted all energy reserves for the entire game and still came through in the key moments. The image of Jordan sweating profusely and breathing deeply and heavily, much more than anyone else, including Pippen-is burned into my mind. Argue for Rodman, and he's right up there too but id argue his was also mental. Low ball type of antics that were designed to annoy and instigate-Pat Bev and Draymond two modern examples-but yes Rodman had all out energy reserves as well. This type of defense is kind of cheap to me than the straight up defensive players. The thought of Rodman flopping and creating a charge call and fist pumping is burned in my mind as well. It's smart, and savvy, but just kind of cheap. Just like kids say beating someone up with "hard physical defense" isn't real defense, neither is flopping and it's now such a common strategy in todays game used by the games biggest stars down to the nobodies. No rule changes or fines is going to truly get rid of it. It's a cultural mindset that needs to be changed. Leave that stuff for soccer.

@nonamewillbegiven1217

9 күн бұрын

It was not bad basketball smooth brain since that was not the case

@nonamewillbegiven1217

9 күн бұрын

LeBron aint a versatile defender and no eye test favors them over Jordan

@nonamewillbegiven1217

9 күн бұрын

If you were a actual Rockets fan, you would know Harden flops his way to the line

@nonamewillbegiven1217

9 күн бұрын

You need to get over yourself egg brain

@GurtonBuster07

9 күн бұрын

That's how you feel. As somebody born in the year 2000, THANK GOD basketball has evolved because the spacing right here in this video is downright disgusting i have no idea how MJ averaged 35 lmao imagine he played in a 5 out offence holy moly you feel. As somebody born in the year 2000, THANK GOD basketball has evolved because the spacing right here in this video is downright disgusting i have no idea how MJ averaged 35 lmao imagine he played in a 5 out offence today holy moly

Alvin Robinson averaged 1.5 more steals per game at home and MJ had 1.7. Back then, the schedule on the road was vicious. Adam Silver has made the downtime between games today far more lenient than it was in the past. As a result of poor scheduling back then (especially for road games) players were more fatigued and didn't play as well on the road. The stat difference of those games really doesn't prove they were "wildly inflated."

@jtremaine23

7 күн бұрын

Yep...I brought up that Alvin Robertson had more home steals too on another video.

Jordan won DPOY. Simple as that. This is as stupid as questioning MVPs that were awarded decades earlier. And the difference between lebron and jordan come down to more than awards

Lebron and his Klutch Sports' propaganda is amping up. What you failed to mention here, coach, is that the current players today have the same discrepancy on their home/away stats.

@alfasiger4178

3 күн бұрын

Thats the point of propaganda, exclude what inconveniences you.

lol Im fascinated that someone, who's probably on Rich Paul's payroll, felt the need to scour the archives to find six whole games THAT ARENT ON KZread already mind you, where the scorekeeper wasn't one hundred percent perfect....I mean I wonder if we find out that someone elses stats have an extra couple of steals as well...is this the new thing now, rewriting the stat books to change them just a TINY itty bit....Lol....I mean its kind of funny...turns out Wit didn't really have a hundred points one game he ONLY had just 97...now Im not impressed? Lol...maybe Westbrook didn't actually average a triple double he averaged 9.9 rebounds that season...guess he should give back that MVP too...he had ten less rebounds so the whole year was a wash now LMFAO....like this is a WILD waste of time.... especially considering Jordan was his teams best point of attack defender AND THEIR RIM PROTECTOR AS A GUARD... something unheard of...ALSO HAD JORDAN NOT RETIRED HE WOULD HAVE WON ANOTHER DPOY so who cares if for a couple games the dude gave Jordan a couple extra steals ONE season...If we wanna be technical the leauge and sports writees came out and said the onky reason they didn't give Jordan like ten MVPS in a row is they wanted to grow the sport and highlight other players but that he absolutely deserved them.

The disrespect is crazy 😂 People trying to diminish what he did. Next they're gonna be like 'Did Jordan deserve MVP? Did Jordan deserve to win? Did Jordan really score that many points? Was Jordan really from North Carolina?' 😂

@lawrencebello6177

9 күн бұрын

Was he really from NC is crazy 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@NewNormalWorldOrder

9 күн бұрын

Was Jordan really bald?

@NewNormalWorldOrder

9 күн бұрын

Was Jordan even human?

@akeme25

9 күн бұрын

Did Jordan really exist?

@robertjacob8765

9 күн бұрын

There is 1 clear G.O.A.T. Lebron has had the most combined all-stars, shooters, veteran minimum notables, and teammates taking paycuts to stack his teams from top to bottom. Always switching to new teams with new prime stars and handpicking players to fill out the rest of his rosters with teammates that he feels will compliment him. Despite having the most help, he's had the most failures, especially for the amount of help he's had... 4-6 in finals (Losing record) 22-33 Wins/Losses (Losing record) Most finals losses (Losing record) Most swept in finals (Losing record) Had the 6th worst +/- in a finals 2004 missed playoffs 2005 missed playoffs 2006 eliminated 2007 swept 2008 eliminated 2009 eliminated 2010 eliminated 2011 eliminated (Biggest meltdown ever) 2012-2013 Wade/Bosh/Handpicked squad 2014 eliminated 2015 eliminated 2016-2018 Kyrie/Love/Handpicked squad 2019 missed playoffs 2021 eliminated 2022 missed playoffs 2023 swept 2024 first round gentelman sweep 2020 Bubble ring favored older players that needed rest/Faced Heat with 44 wins, Butler's 2nd best teammate was an injured Dragic lol, and Lebron had AD along with the rest of his handpicked sqaud... Lebron is 3-4 against 60+ win teams in the playoffs, and MJ is 7-2 against such teams. Lebron is 10-10 against 50+ win teams, and MJ is 20-7 against such teams... Lebron’s rankings... Total points - 1st Points Per Game - 5th Playoff PPG - 6th Scoring Titles - 6th Finals MVP Awards - 2nd All Defensive First Teams - 5th Player Efficiency Rating - 3rd Playoff PER - 3rd Win Shares/48 Min - 8th Playoff WS/48 - 3rd Playoff BPM - 3rd Offensive BPM - 2nd Playoff Defensive BPM - 2nd Game Score - 14th MJ's rankings... Total points - 5th Points Per Game - 1st Playoff PPG - 1st Scoring Titles - 1st Finals MVP Awards - 1st All Defensive First Teams - 1st Player Efficiency Rating - 1st Playoff PER - 1st Win Shares/48 Min - 1st Playoff WS/48 - 1st Playoff BPM - 1st Offensive BPM - 1st Playoff Defensive BPM - 1st Game Score - 1st MJ leads Lebron 21-7 in every Advanced analytic, Per stat, and major accomplishment, which includes scoring championships, all-defensive first teams, MVPs, DPOY, PER, Offensive rating, Defensive rating, O/D Rating Diff, W/S per 48, BPM, Career Winning Percentage, NBA championships, Finals MVPs, Finals losses, Finals W/L record, Playoff winning percentage, Career PPG, Steals per game, Blocks per game, FT%, and less Turnovers per game. Lebron's only 7 categories are TS%, VORP (Longevity), Finals Appearances (Most help all-time), assists per game, rebounds per game, FG%, and 3P%. Kareem outscores Lebron in these categories 14-11, having a better resume himself. Just below is how MJ scores against other all-time greats... Kareem - 14 Lebron - 11 MJ vs. Kareem (16-9) MJ vs. Lebron (21-7) MJ vs. Magic (18-10) MJ vs. Duncan (21-5) MJ vs. Russell (11-4) MJ vs. Shaq (19-6) MJ vs. Wilt (14-2) MJ vs. Durant (22-6) MJ vs. Curry (22-5) MJ vs. Bird (21-6) MJ vs. Kobe (24-3) MJ vs. Hakeem (22-5) Lebron only shoots a higher FG% than MJ due to the number of shots he takes at the rim. Lebron shoots below 40% from beyond 3 feet of the rim for his career. Lebron has the liberty of shooting so much in the paint because of all the floor spacing shooters he has had, and there's no big centers waiting on him in the paint. MJ was a major floor spacer from midrange for his team, having only 1-2 shooters for a select number of minutes in any game. Also, the bigger the position, the higher their FG% is supposed to be. Lebron only shooting a decimal higher is actually bad when it's put into context. Switch Lebron and MJ's shooting charts, and you'll be absolutely shocked how high MJ's FG% would be if he shot from where Lebron does. Same with how low Lebron’s FG% would be shooting from where MJ did. Lebron only shoots a higher percentage at one place from distance, and that's from beyond the 3 point line. But that's only because of the emphasis causing players today to practice and shoot from there more often. In the only 3 seasons that MJ shot 3 or more attempts from beyond the ark, his percentages were 37.4, 37.6, and 42.7 (higher than Lebron ever shot from beyond the ark)... Imagine if Lebron had 1 all-star, 3-4 good role players, and some bums to fill out his roster for up to 7 years of his career while playing in the tougher conference, kind of like MJ. Then Lebron would have what? 2-3 finals appearances max? 1-2 championships max? Maybe considered a top 20 player of all-time at best? Lebron, having the most help all-time to get into the top 3 conversation, has tainted his own legacy and shouldn't be put ahead of Kareem. If people still talk about Bill Russell (RIP) to this day for having so much help and have him all over their top 10 all-time lists, then Lebron’s legacy is also tainted forever... MJ was one of the greatest all-around players of all-time. He once averaged 32.5/8/8 for an entire season, 11.4 assists in the 1991 finals, and a triple double over a span of several weeks while playing PG. MJ handed basketball duties over to Pippen after his horrific rookie season, at Phil's request, to help him grow into a decent teammate for the betterment of the team. MJ would then focus on his two-way specialty game so Pippen could be productive for the team as well. But Pippen never put up the stats mentioned above that MJ put up earlier in his career. Don't listen to the narratives that the media has to put out there for their own ratings. They needed to manufacture a fake goat in MJ's absence for the NBA's ratings and their own. But they'll eventually tell more truth when Lebron’s gone for some time, while they lift a new star for ratings...

Now we need a breakdown of Lebron’s defense in 2013…. If he deserved dpoy over Marc gasol

@marcosyfeliciano-ortega2815

10 күн бұрын

for sureee

@jd3thegreattm380

10 күн бұрын

DPOY*

@arizona_anime_fan

10 күн бұрын

he did not. in fact the fact the voting was even close was a travesty against marc gasol. marc had one of the greatest defensive seasons of all time, and lbj didn't even have his top 3 best defensive season. the year prior was probably lbj's best year. stop listening to the lbj stans citing what was probably the biggest travesty in dpoy voting... the 2013 dpoy vote. and it wasn't a travesty because lbj lost. it was a travesty because gasol should have been unanimous that year.

@urbaindelva7869

10 күн бұрын

He definitely deserved MVP over Marc Gasol. You mean DPOY.

@urbaindelva7869

10 күн бұрын

​@@arizona_anime_fanTbf, Gasol was surrounded by a number of good defenders, so that's probably why so many people argued against him. It's similar to the Rudy-Wemby debate over DPOY from this past season.

They need to nitpick every little detail for Jordan and overlook every flagrantly obvious bad detail from LeBron in order to try and make people who have watched both forget what they already know, which is that Jordan is the better of the two.

It's one thing to exert that much energy on defense like your hair's on fire. It's another to do it with such purpose and relentless pursuit. I think he's still deserving of it. GOAT

@B3YONDOM3GA

9 күн бұрын

I battle with him and Bron damn near everyday, but his defensive activity mixed with his physical gifts and I.Q is beautiful to watch

@robertjacob8765

9 күн бұрын

There is 1 clear G.O.A.T. Lebron has had the most combined all-stars, shooters, veteran minimum notables, and teammates taking paycuts to stack his teams from top to bottom. Always switching to new teams with new prime stars and handpicking players to fill out the rest of his rosters with teammates that he feels will compliment him. Despite having the most help, he's had the most failures, especially for the amount of help he's had... 4-6 in finals (Losing record) 22-33 Wins/Losses (Losing record) Most finals losses (Losing record) Most swept in finals (Losing record) Had the 6th worst +/- in a finals 2004 missed playoffs 2005 missed playoffs 2006 eliminated 2007 swept 2008 eliminated 2009 eliminated 2010 eliminated 2011 eliminated (Biggest meltdown ever) 2012-2013 Wade/Bosh/Handpicked squad 2014 eliminated 2015 eliminated 2016-2018 Kyrie/Love/Handpicked squad 2019 missed playoffs 2021 eliminated 2022 missed playoffs 2023 swept 2024 first round gentelman sweep 2020 Bubble ring favored older players that needed rest/Faced Heat with 44 wins, Butler's 2nd best teammate was an injured Dragic lol, and Lebron had AD along with the rest of his handpicked sqaud... Lebron is 3-4 against 60+ win teams in the playoffs, and MJ is 7-2 against such teams. Lebron is 10-10 against 50+ win teams, and MJ is 20-7 against such teams... Lebron’s rankings... Total points - 1st Points Per Game - 5th Playoff PPG - 6th Scoring Titles - 6th Finals MVP Awards - 2nd All Defensive First Teams - 5th Player Efficiency Rating - 3rd Playoff PER - 3rd Win Shares/48 Min - 8th Playoff WS/48 - 3rd Playoff BPM - 3rd Offensive BPM - 2nd Playoff Defensive BPM - 2nd Game Score - 14th MJ's rankings... Total points - 5th Points Per Game - 1st Playoff PPG - 1st Scoring Titles - 1st Finals MVP Awards - 1st All Defensive First Teams - 1st Player Efficiency Rating - 1st Playoff PER - 1st Win Shares/48 Min - 1st Playoff WS/48 - 1st Playoff BPM - 1st Offensive BPM - 1st Playoff Defensive BPM - 1st Game Score - 1st MJ leads Lebron 21-7 in every Advanced analytic, Per stat, and major accomplishment, which includes scoring championships, all-defensive first teams, MVPs, DPOY, PER, Offensive rating, Defensive rating, O/D Rating Diff, W/S per 48, BPM, Career Winning Percentage, NBA championships, Finals MVPs, Finals losses, Finals W/L record, Playoff winning percentage, Career PPG, Steals per game, Blocks per game, FT%, and less Turnovers per game. Lebron's only 7 categories are TS%, VORP (Longevity), Finals Appearances (Most help all-time), assists per game, rebounds per game, FG%, and 3P%. Kareem outscores Lebron in these categories 14-11, having a better resume himself. Just below is how MJ scores against other all-time greats... Kareem - 14 Lebron - 11 MJ vs. Kareem (16-9) MJ vs. Lebron (21-7) MJ vs. Magic (18-10) MJ vs. Duncan (21-5) MJ vs. Russell (11-4) MJ vs. Shaq (19-6) MJ vs. Wilt (14-2) MJ vs. Durant (22-6) MJ vs. Curry (22-5) MJ vs. Bird (21-6) MJ vs. Kobe (24-3) MJ vs. Hakeem (22-5) Lebron only shoots a higher FG% than MJ due to the number of shots he takes at the rim. Lebron shoots below 40% from beyond 3 feet of the rim for his career. Lebron has the liberty of shooting so much in the paint because of all the floor spacing shooters he has had, and there's no big centers waiting on him in the paint. MJ was a major floor spacer from midrange for his team, having only 1-2 shooters for a select number of minutes in any game. Also, the bigger the position, the higher their FG% is supposed to be. Lebron only shooting a decimal higher is actually bad when it's put into context. Switch Lebron and MJ's shooting charts, and you'll be absolutely shocked how high MJ's FG% would be if he shot from where Lebron does. Same with how low Lebron’s FG% would be shooting from where MJ did. Lebron only shoots a higher percentage at one place from distance, and that's from beyond the 3 point line. But that's only because of the emphasis causing players today to practice and shoot from there more often. In the only 3 seasons that MJ shot 3 or more attempts from beyond the ark, his percentages were 37.4, 37.6, and 42.7 (higher than Lebron ever shot from beyond the ark)... Imagine if Lebron had 1 all-star, 3-4 good role players, and some bums to fill out his roster for up to 7 years of his career while playing in the tougher conference, kind of like MJ. Then Lebron would have what? 2-3 finals appearances max? 1-2 championships max? Maybe considered a top 20 player of all-time at best? Lebron, having the most help all-time to get into the top 3 conversation, has tainted his own legacy and shouldn't be put ahead of Kareem. If people still talk about Bill Russell (RIP) to this day for having so much help and have him all over their top 10 all-time lists, then Lebron’s legacy is also tainted forever... MJ was one of the greatest all-around players of all-time. He once averaged 32.5/8/8 for an entire season, 11.4 assists in the 1991 finals, and a triple double over a span of several weeks while playing PG. MJ handed basketball duties over to Pippen after his horrific rookie season, at Phil's request, to help him grow into a decent teammate for the betterment of the team. MJ would then focus on his two-way specialty game so Pippen could be productive for the team as well. But Pippen never put up the stats mentioned above that MJ put up earlier in his career. Don't listen to the narratives that the media has to put out there for their own ratings. They needed to manufacture a fake goat in MJ's absence for the NBA's ratings and their own. But they'll eventually tell more truth when Lebron’s gone for some time, while they lift a new star for ratings...

@B3YONDOM3GA

9 күн бұрын

@@robertjacob8765 Too much bro. Honestly..

@mrmacross

9 күн бұрын

And he had all that defensive activity while leading the league in points and minutes. What a motor.

@thegreatrainman2336

9 күн бұрын

@@dunmatta2670 was highly overrated defensively. Always had others defending players then he would jump in the lane or come off the weak side to help.

Jordan really should have won more than 1 DPOY.

Some ignorant says Jordan was gambling too much on defense. Players who play that kind of gambling defense usually have high steal numbers but aren't rated as good defenders (ex Iverson). In Jordan's case, he mixes in some gambling defense with good fundamental defense, which is why he won Defensive Player of the Year and earned 9 Defensive First Team honors. And speaking of inflated stats, it doesn't take long to realize how ridiculous the assist numbers are for players these days. I've seen LeBron get credited with a block when he hit a player in the head, not the ball, and the player spilled the ball.

@keegan3472

8 күн бұрын

Wrong they retroactively fix stats these days

@cameronl1859

8 күн бұрын

​@@keegan3472 You remind me of some guy who told me the NBA puts magnets inside the ball

@keegan3472

8 күн бұрын

@@cameronl1859 I’m not sure what to tell you. It’s a literal fact…

@cameronl1859

8 күн бұрын

@@keegan3472 I see what you're saying now, I thought you meant "fix" as in rig, given the context of the video and the original comment, my b

@keegan3472

8 күн бұрын

@@cameronl1859 all good

MJ is the real goat.

The 6 games they said had inflated stats aren't even available for us to watch. It's all hearsay Let's take a look at ppls assists. They really bend the rules for that

@ricosauve5

10 күн бұрын

6 games sample that isn't available anywhere to watch. Some guy in Latvia has them on VHS tapes apparently. If that doesn't sound like a hit piece against Jordan I don't know what does.

@MrJ1S

10 күн бұрын

@ricosauve5 exactly. Somebody needs a video on assists cuz the rule on what defines one has changed and scorers are absolutely puffing those up

@ricosauve5

10 күн бұрын

@MrJ1S nba changed how assist are now counted. What counts as assist today, definitely wouldn't have been a assist 25 plus years ago. And the only reason to change how they count assist is to inflate players stats today.

@MrJ1S

10 күн бұрын

@ricosauve5 exactly but they won't investigate that

@ball4life27

10 күн бұрын

The NBA is hiding it and Yahoo got to it, why do you think they don't release those tapes??

The dude writing the article didn’t prove anything because the 6 matches he talked about can only be watched by himself. How convenient… Edit: Jonny Arnett got his hands on the footage and did a video. Basically on the 6 games hand picked by the “journalist” he was more right than wrong ( he made the gap appear bigger, but they were inconsistencies). But then Jonny watched some other random games from that season and MJ should have had more stocks ( blocks + steals) than what he actually received. So the “journalist” hand picked those 6 games on purpose to write a hit piece.

@anthonybrown5177

10 күн бұрын

Comment of the thread right here!! And people took this faulty information and ran with it smh. And why didn't this man post the video evidence?

@MrGyonex

9 күн бұрын

2 of the games have been going around since then and apparently there are even more steals for MJ if they wanted to be generous 🤷‍♂️

@cjloo5134

9 күн бұрын

@@awesomereviews1561 exactly

@cjloo5134

9 күн бұрын

@@MrGyonex links please 🙏🙏🙏😊😊😊

@Illtechnica

9 күн бұрын

Read the article and watch his interviews. Haberstroh's research team watched the games independently of each other. A several-game stretch where Jordan was credited with 28 total steals. Each researcher, including Tom, compared notes afterward and saw only 12 steals. So, this wasn't just Haberstroh watching 6 old games and coming to his solo conclusion.

not Jordan gambling again 😭

@slinkybeans2442

10 күн бұрын

I do not think it's called that

@wazzup233

9 күн бұрын

Meanwhile Lebron is taking PEDs lately and no one talks about it for now. 🤑🤑🤑🤑

@Terymorgkingcreeper

9 күн бұрын

@@wazzup233proof?

@robertjacob8765

9 күн бұрын

There is 1 clear G.O.A.T. Lebron has had the most combined all-stars, shooters, veteran minimum notables, and teammates taking paycuts to stack his teams from top to bottom. Always switching to new teams with new prime stars and handpicking players to fill out the rest of his rosters with teammates that he feels will compliment him. Despite having the most help, he's had the most failures, especially for the amount of help he's had... 4-6 in finals (Losing record) 22-33 Wins/Losses (Losing record) Most finals losses (Losing record) Most swept in finals (Losing record) Had the 6th worst +/- in a finals 2004 missed playoffs 2005 missed playoffs 2006 eliminated 2007 swept 2008 eliminated 2009 eliminated 2010 eliminated 2011 eliminated (Biggest meltdown ever) 2012-2013 Wade/Bosh/Handpicked squad 2014 eliminated 2015 eliminated 2016-2018 Kyrie/Love/Handpicked squad 2019 missed playoffs 2021 eliminated 2022 missed playoffs 2023 swept 2024 first round gentelman sweep 2020 Bubble ring favored older players that needed rest/Faced Heat with 44 wins, Butler's 2nd best teammate was an injured Dragic lol, and Lebron had AD along with the rest of his handpicked sqaud... Lebron is 3-4 against 60+ win teams in the playoffs, and MJ is 7-2 against such teams. Lebron is 10-10 against 50+ win teams, and MJ is 20-7 against such teams... Lebron’s rankings... Total points - 1st Points Per Game - 5th Playoff PPG - 6th Scoring Titles - 6th Finals MVP Awards - 2nd All Defensive First Teams - 5th Player Efficiency Rating - 3rd Playoff PER - 3rd Win Shares/48 Min - 8th Playoff WS/48 - 3rd Playoff BPM - 3rd Offensive BPM - 2nd Playoff Defensive BPM - 2nd Game Score - 14th MJ's rankings... Total points - 5th Points Per Game - 1st Playoff PPG - 1st Scoring Titles - 1st Finals MVP Awards - 1st All Defensive First Teams - 1st Player Efficiency Rating - 1st Playoff PER - 1st Win Shares/48 Min - 1st Playoff WS/48 - 1st Playoff BPM - 1st Offensive BPM - 1st Playoff Defensive BPM - 1st Game Score - 1st MJ leads Lebron 21-7 in every Advanced analytic, Per stat, and major accomplishment, which includes scoring championships, all-defensive first teams, MVPs, DPOY, PER, Offensive rating, Defensive rating, O/D Rating Diff, W/S per 48, BPM, Career Winning Percentage, NBA championships, Finals MVPs, Finals losses, Finals W/L record, Playoff winning percentage, Career PPG, Steals per game, Blocks per game, FT%, and less Turnovers per game. Lebron's only 7 categories are TS%, VORP (Longevity), Finals Appearances (Most help all-time), assists per game, rebounds per game, FG%, and 3P%. Kareem outscores Lebron in these categories 14-11, having a better resume himself. Just below is how MJ scores against other all-time greats... Kareem - 14 Lebron - 11 MJ vs. Kareem (16-9) MJ vs. Lebron (21-7) MJ vs. Magic (18-10) MJ vs. Duncan (21-5) MJ vs. Russell (11-4) MJ vs. Shaq (19-6) MJ vs. Wilt (14-2) MJ vs. Durant (22-6) MJ vs. Curry (22-5) MJ vs. Bird (21-6) MJ vs. Kobe (24-3) MJ vs. Hakeem (22-5) Lebron only shoots a higher FG% than MJ due to the number of shots he takes at the rim. Lebron shoots below 40% from beyond 3 feet of the rim for his career. Lebron has the liberty of shooting so much in the paint because of all the floor spacing shooters he has had, and there's no big centers waiting on him in the paint. MJ was a major floor spacer from midrange for his team, having only 1-2 shooters for a select number of minutes in any game. Also, the bigger the position, the higher their FG% is supposed to be. Lebron only shooting a decimal higher is actually bad when it's put into context. Switch Lebron and MJ's shooting charts, and you'll be absolutely shocked how high MJ's FG% would be if he shot from where Lebron does. Same with how low Lebron’s FG% would be shooting from where MJ did. Lebron only shoots a higher percentage at one place from distance, and that's from beyond the 3 point line. But that's only because of the emphasis causing players today to practice and shoot from there more often. In the only 3 seasons that MJ shot 3 or more attempts from beyond the ark, his percentages were 37.4, 37.6, and 42.7 (higher than Lebron ever shot from beyond the ark)... Imagine if Lebron had 1 all-star, 3-4 good role players, and some bums to fill out his roster for up to 7 years of his career while playing in the tougher conference, kind of like MJ. Then Lebron would have what? 2-3 finals appearances max? 1-2 championships max? Maybe considered a top 20 player of all-time at best? Lebron, having the most help all-time to get into the top 3 conversation, has tainted his own legacy and shouldn't be put ahead of Kareem. If people still talk about Bill Russell (RIP) to this day for having so much help and have him all over their top 10 all-time lists, then Lebron’s legacy is also tainted forever... MJ was one of the greatest all-around players of all-time. He once averaged 32.5/8/8 for an entire season, 11.4 assists in the 1991 finals, and a triple double over a span of several weeks while playing PG. MJ handed basketball duties over to Pippen after his horrific rookie season, at Phil's request, to help him grow into a decent teammate for the betterment of the team. MJ would then focus on his two-way specialty game so Pippen could be productive for the team as well. But Pippen never put up the stats mentioned above that MJ put up earlier in his career. Don't listen to the narratives that the media has to put out there for their own ratings. They needed to manufacture a fake goat in MJ's absence for the NBA's ratings and their own. But they'll eventually tell more truth when Lebron’s gone for some time, while they lift a new star for ratings...

@nonamewillbegiven1217

6 күн бұрын

@@felixicuss everybody gambles egg brain

In 89, Jordan and Pippen had over 100 blocks and 200 steals... that's defense. Pros don't just allow you to block their shots and they damn sure don't just want to give you the ball. MJ is exceptional at defense. I can make a video of everyone getting caught on a screen or not knowing where the ball is...

@willellis9417

9 күн бұрын

Ball handling has increased markedly since then though. Those steals numbers should be contextualized. Derrick White had 87 blocks this year. Only a handful less than Scotties best season (and better than 8 other seasons). Plus guys in the 80's (with the obvious exception of Alex English and others) were still shooting jump shots without jumping. I'm not trying to downplay Scottie or MJ. Just saying you simply don't see Jrue or even Caruso getting BADLY caught up on pins or screens. The thing that sets Jordan apart is just his wild athleticism. It's funny how he almost always jumped off two feet, but LeBron only ever of 1 (when attacking the basket)

@theflyingkaramazovbrothers6

9 күн бұрын

@@willellis9417 contextualized how? What was the offensive pace back then? Faster than later in the 90s sure, but how much faster? as far as blocking shots a lot of the ones MJ is famous for were for drives and attempted floaters and layups or quick shots.

@1JamesHunter

9 күн бұрын

@willellis9417 you have to be a great help defender, a team defender, to accumulate those stats. You have no stats or data to go with that statement. Guys were very solid with the ball security back in the day, unlike today where they throw the ball on the stands and dribble too much.... The fact remains. No one just allows you to block their shot and no one just hands the ball for you for steals. How do defenders get most of their blocks and steals??? Not from the guy they are directly guarding. You get steals and blocks from helping g your teammates. That's how championships are won. WE help each.other... NOT just man on man. It is a crime anyone would call Lebron a great defender and he can guard all 5 positions. Bro, I can guard all 5 positions, but what are the results 🤔 Go watch Levron try to guard Derrick Rose... He had no chance. Go watch him oin 2009 try and guard Dwight Howard. He had absolutely no chance. Go watch him try Tim Duncan... They even said he stopped Tony Parker in 2013. Tony Parker had 13 points in one game but averaged 20 ppg for the series that Ray Allen absolutely saved with that miracle 3pointer. Lebron is 6'8 all athlete... How can't he get 200 steals once in 22 years?? 100 blocks?? He can't do that in 22 years?? Derrick White and Jrue Holiday are awesome help defenders. Team defenders. Lebron doesn't put that team defense effort out their. Ever.

@robertjacob8765

9 күн бұрын

There is 1 clear G.O.A.T. Lebron has had the most combined all-stars, shooters, veteran minimum notables, and teammates taking paycuts to stack his teams from top to bottom. Always switching to new teams with new prime stars and handpicking players to fill out the rest of his rosters with teammates that he feels will compliment him. Despite having the most help, he's had the most failures, especially for the amount of help he's had... 4-6 in finals (Losing record) 22-33 Wins/Losses (Losing record) Most finals losses (Losing record) Most swept in finals (Losing record) Had the 6th worst +/- in a finals 2004 missed playoffs 2005 missed playoffs 2006 eliminated 2007 swept 2008 eliminated 2009 eliminated 2010 eliminated 2011 eliminated (Biggest meltdown ever) 2012-2013 Wade/Bosh/Handpicked squad 2014 eliminated 2015 eliminated 2016-2018 Kyrie/Love/Handpicked squad 2019 missed playoffs 2021 eliminated 2022 missed playoffs 2023 swept 2024 first round gentelman sweep 2020 Bubble ring favored older players that needed rest/Faced Heat with 44 wins, Butler's 2nd best teammate was an injured Dragic lol, and Lebron had AD along with the rest of his handpicked sqaud... Lebron is 3-4 against 60+ win teams in the playoffs, and MJ is 7-2 against such teams. Lebron is 10-10 against 50+ win teams, and MJ is 20-7 against such teams... Lebron’s rankings... Total points - 1st Points Per Game - 5th Playoff PPG - 6th Scoring Titles - 6th Finals MVP Awards - 2nd All Defensive First Teams - 5th Player Efficiency Rating - 3rd Playoff PER - 3rd Win Shares/48 Min - 8th Playoff WS/48 - 3rd Playoff BPM - 3rd Offensive BPM - 2nd Playoff Defensive BPM - 2nd Game Score - 14th MJ's rankings... Total points - 5th Points Per Game - 1st Playoff PPG - 1st Scoring Titles - 1st Finals MVP Awards - 1st All Defensive First Teams - 1st Player Efficiency Rating - 1st Playoff PER - 1st Win Shares/48 Min - 1st Playoff WS/48 - 1st Playoff BPM - 1st Offensive BPM - 1st Playoff Defensive BPM - 1st Game Score - 1st MJ leads Lebron 21-7 in every Advanced analytic, Per stat, and major accomplishment, which includes scoring championships, all-defensive first teams, MVPs, DPOY, PER, Offensive rating, Defensive rating, O/D Rating Diff, W/S per 48, BPM, Career Winning Percentage, NBA championships, Finals MVPs, Finals losses, Finals W/L record, Playoff winning percentage, Career PPG, Steals per game, Blocks per game, FT%, and less Turnovers per game. Lebron's only 7 categories are TS%, VORP (Longevity), Finals Appearances (Most help all-time), assists per game, rebounds per game, FG%, and 3P%. Kareem outscores Lebron in these categories 14-11, having a better resume himself. Just below is how MJ scores against other all-time greats... Kareem - 14 Lebron - 11 MJ vs. Kareem (16-9) MJ vs. Lebron (21-7) MJ vs. Magic (18-10) MJ vs. Duncan (21-5) MJ vs. Russell (11-4) MJ vs. Shaq (19-6) MJ vs. Wilt (14-2) MJ vs. Durant (22-6) MJ vs. Curry (22-5) MJ vs. Bird (21-6) MJ vs. Kobe (24-3) MJ vs. Hakeem (22-5) Lebron only shoots a higher FG% than MJ due to the number of shots he takes at the rim. Lebron shoots below 40% from beyond 3 feet of the rim for his career. Lebron has the liberty of shooting so much in the paint because of all the floor spacing shooters he has had, and there's no big centers waiting on him in the paint. MJ was a major floor spacer from midrange for his team, having only 1-2 shooters for a select number of minutes in any game. Also, the bigger the position, the higher their FG% is supposed to be. Lebron only shooting a decimal higher is actually bad when it's put into context. Switch Lebron and MJ's shooting charts, and you'll be absolutely shocked how high MJ's FG% would be if he shot from where Lebron does. Same with how low Lebron’s FG% would be shooting from where MJ did. Lebron only shoots a higher percentage at one place from distance, and that's from beyond the 3 point line. But that's only because of the emphasis causing players today to practice and shoot from there more often. In the only 3 seasons that MJ shot 3 or more attempts from beyond the ark, his percentages were 37.4, 37.6, and 42.7 (higher than Lebron ever shot from beyond the ark)... Imagine if Lebron had 1 all-star, 3-4 good role players, and some bums to fill out his roster for up to 7 years of his career while playing in the tougher conference, kind of like MJ. Then Lebron would have what? 2-3 finals appearances max? 1-2 championships max? Maybe considered a top 20 player of all-time at best? Lebron, having the most help all-time to get into the top 3 conversation, has tainted his own legacy and shouldn't be put ahead of Kareem. If people still talk about Bill Russell (RIP) to this day for having so much help and have him all over their top 10 all-time lists, then Lebron’s legacy is also tainted forever... MJ was one of the greatest all-around players of all-time. He once averaged 32.5/8/8 for an entire season, 11.4 assists in the 1991 finals, and a triple double over a span of several weeks while playing PG. MJ handed basketball duties over to Pippen after his horrific rookie season, at Phil's request, to help him grow into a decent teammate for the betterment of the team. MJ would then focus on his two-way specialty game so Pippen could be productive for the team as well. But Pippen never put up the stats mentioned above that MJ put up earlier in his career. Don't listen to the narratives that the media has to put out there for their own ratings. They needed to manufacture a fake goat in MJ's absence for the NBA's ratings and their own. But they'll eventually tell more truth when Lebron’s gone for some time, while they lift a new star for ratings...

@nonamewillbegiven1217

6 күн бұрын

@@willellis9417 no. Try harder trolll

coach really pulled the i was there fr lol great vid

Just to be clear, the article did not prove that Jordan’s defensive stats were inflated. The author uses 6 games that you cannot find video of to fact check, and on top of that most top defenders that year had much better stats at home, defensively and offensively, and other years Jordan still had similar steals and blocks averages yet the article only claimed that it was that year that the stats were inflated. Mj also deserved multiple DPOYs not just the award in ‘88.

@leechrec

9 күн бұрын

Just another case of Lebron and his cronies being devious and despicable. Seriously evil fuckers.

This video perfectly encapsulates the issue with Haberstroh’s critique, and the limitations with the analytics and stats obsession. There’s no metric for effort, hustle, quickness, and anticipation. The eye test. Haberstroh found a statistician who admitted to inflating some home stats (and you’re naive if you think only MJ got this treatment), and then watched a very small game sample that had some stat discrepancy, and, based entirely on basic box score numbers, wants to completely overhaul MJ’s reputation as an elite defender. It’s hack ‘journalism’.

@Петърчо

9 күн бұрын

The thing is, there was a disparity of away vs home stats on 2nd and 3rd players in the DPOY voting this year, which means everyone was doing it, which means that doesn't really change anything for the end result 🤷‍♂

@jumpnam

9 күн бұрын

@@Петърчо exactly! Alvin Robertson had a big discrepancy too. As did Hakeem when he won it. And there’s no doubt that Stockton’s assist numbers were inflated. Fortunately, the greatness of these players was never because of stats alone. I’ve seen people now desperately claiming that MJ’s whole career is a lie, because of 6 games where the stats MIGHT be inaccurate 🤦🏽‍♂️ I’m like, are all the championships, MVPs, FMVPs, clutch performances, game winners etc inflated too?

@Illtechnica

9 күн бұрын

How is it "hack journalism" when the reason he began this statistical journey had *nothing to do with Michael Jordan, to begin with?* Did you even READ the article? This began from a tip that Jaren Jackson Jr, 2023 DPOY, had massive discrepancies in his block totals from the road to home. The NBA has data verifiers after games analyze and correct stats if errors occur, but Habserstroh and his team analyzed game footage of JJJ anyway. And, the blocks were accurate. But that began the pulling of the string on a tapestry that ultimately led to more discrepancies going back to the 80s; an era where there were no postgame data verifiers to correct statistical errors. He and his researchers watched the 6 games independently and compared notes afterward realizing the stats Jordan was getting credit for didn't happen. Such as 28 steals were recorded through these games, but all independent viewings of the games found only 12 steals. If it was 26 steals vs 28, call it a wash. But a +16 delta is MASSIVE. Ask yourself this; If this was LeBron, had he won the 2013 DPOY and it was found some of his blocks/steals were inflated unbeknownst to him, would people be clamoring for his DPOY to have an asterisk or even be removed? OR, would they say "it doesn't matter..."

@saltymonkey8874

9 күн бұрын

​@@IlltechnicaLebron gets credited for assists where guys take multiple dribbles before they score. His assist numbers are as bloated as they can get.

@jumpnam

9 күн бұрын

@@Illtechnica You missed the point of my comment.

Imagine Jordan being a "gambler" on defense 🤣

@hansonlee5847

9 күн бұрын

The only gambles that he could cash out 😂

@nonamewillbegiven1217

9 күн бұрын

Imagine thinking decision making on D is gambling. Trolll

@nonamewillbegiven1217

9 күн бұрын

​@@hansonlee5847try harder trolll

@taylorsilver2566

9 күн бұрын

+1.5 steals paired with +3.5 fouls = easy 💰

@robertjacob8765

9 күн бұрын

There is 1 clear G.O.A.T. Lebron has had the most combined all-stars, shooters, veteran minimum notables, and teammates taking paycuts to stack his teams from top to bottom. Always switching to new teams with new prime stars and handpicking players to fill out the rest of his rosters with teammates that he feels will compliment him. Despite having the most help, he's had the most failures, especially for the amount of help he's had... 4-6 in finals (Losing record) 22-33 Wins/Losses (Losing record) Most finals losses (Losing record) Most swept in finals (Losing record) Had the 6th worst +/- in a finals 2004 missed playoffs 2005 missed playoffs 2006 eliminated 2007 swept 2008 eliminated 2009 eliminated 2010 eliminated 2011 eliminated (Biggest meltdown ever) 2012-2013 Wade/Bosh/Handpicked squad 2014 eliminated 2015 eliminated 2016-2018 Kyrie/Love/Handpicked squad 2019 missed playoffs 2021 eliminated 2022 missed playoffs 2023 swept 2024 first round gentelman sweep 2020 Bubble ring favored older players that needed rest/Faced Heat with 44 wins, Butler's 2nd best teammate was an injured Dragic lol, and Lebron had AD along with the rest of his handpicked sqaud... Lebron is 3-4 against 60+ win teams in the playoffs, and MJ is 7-2 against such teams. Lebron is 10-10 against 50+ win teams, and MJ is 20-7 against such teams... Lebron’s rankings... Total points - 1st Points Per Game - 5th Playoff PPG - 6th Scoring Titles - 6th Finals MVP Awards - 2nd All Defensive First Teams - 5th Player Efficiency Rating - 3rd Playoff PER - 3rd Win Shares/48 Min - 8th Playoff WS/48 - 3rd Playoff BPM - 3rd Offensive BPM - 2nd Playoff Defensive BPM - 2nd Game Score - 14th MJ's rankings... Total points - 5th Points Per Game - 1st Playoff PPG - 1st Scoring Titles - 1st Finals MVP Awards - 1st All Defensive First Teams - 1st Player Efficiency Rating - 1st Playoff PER - 1st Win Shares/48 Min - 1st Playoff WS/48 - 1st Playoff BPM - 1st Offensive BPM - 1st Playoff Defensive BPM - 1st Game Score - 1st MJ leads Lebron 21-7 in every Advanced analytic, Per stat, and major accomplishment, which includes scoring championships, all-defensive first teams, MVPs, DPOY, PER, Offensive rating, Defensive rating, O/D Rating Diff, W/S per 48, BPM, Career Winning Percentage, NBA championships, Finals MVPs, Finals losses, Finals W/L record, Playoff winning percentage, Career PPG, Steals per game, Blocks per game, FT%, and less Turnovers per game. Lebron's only 7 categories are TS%, VORP (Longevity), Finals Appearances (Most help all-time), assists per game, rebounds per game, FG%, and 3P%. Kareem outscores Lebron in these categories 14-11, having a better resume himself. Just below is how MJ scores against other all-time greats... Kareem - 14 Lebron - 11 MJ vs. Kareem (16-9) MJ vs. Lebron (21-7) MJ vs. Magic (18-10) MJ vs. Duncan (21-5) MJ vs. Russell (11-4) MJ vs. Shaq (19-6) MJ vs. Wilt (14-2) MJ vs. Durant (22-6) MJ vs. Curry (22-5) MJ vs. Bird (21-6) MJ vs. Kobe (24-3) MJ vs. Hakeem (22-5) Lebron only shoots a higher FG% than MJ due to the number of shots he takes at the rim. Lebron shoots below 40% from beyond 3 feet of the rim for his career. Lebron has the liberty of shooting so much in the paint because of all the floor spacing shooters he has had, and there's no big centers waiting on him in the paint. MJ was a major floor spacer from midrange for his team, having only 1-2 shooters for a select number of minutes in any game. Also, the bigger the position, the higher their FG% is supposed to be. Lebron only shooting a decimal higher is actually bad when it's put into context. Switch Lebron and MJ's shooting charts, and you'll be absolutely shocked how high MJ's FG% would be if he shot from where Lebron does. Same with how low Lebron’s FG% would be shooting from where MJ did. Lebron only shoots a higher percentage at one place from distance, and that's from beyond the 3 point line. But that's only because of the emphasis causing players today to practice and shoot from there more often. In the only 3 seasons that MJ shot 3 or more attempts from beyond the ark, his percentages were 37.4, 37.6, and 42.7 (higher than Lebron ever shot from beyond the ark)... Imagine if Lebron had 1 all-star, 3-4 good role players, and some bums to fill out his roster for up to 7 years of his career while playing in the tougher conference, kind of like MJ. Then Lebron would have what? 2-3 finals appearances max? 1-2 championships max? Maybe considered a top 20 player of all-time at best? Lebron, having the most help all-time to get into the top 3 conversation, has tainted his own legacy and shouldn't be put ahead of Kareem. If people still talk about Bill Russell (RIP) to this day for having so much help and have him all over their top 10 all-time lists, then Lebron’s legacy is also tainted forever... MJ was one of the greatest all-around players of all-time. He once averaged 32.5/8/8 for an entire season, 11.4 assists in the 1991 finals, and a triple double over a span of several weeks while playing PG. MJ handed basketball duties over to Pippen after his horrific rookie season, at Phil's request, to help him grow into a decent teammate for the betterment of the team. MJ would then focus on his two-way specialty game so Pippen could be productive for the team as well. But Pippen never put up the stats mentioned above that MJ put up earlier in his career. Don't listen to the narratives that the media has to put out there for their own ratings. They needed to manufacture a fake goat in MJ's absence for the NBA's ratings and their own. But they'll eventually tell more truth when Lebron’s gone for some time, while they lift a new star for ratings...

You know you did something right when people are trying to discredit you years after you've retired

Lol teams needing to set 3 to 5 screens just to try and get your best shooter open off of one person's defense, speaks volumes. A crazy part, too, is when it was MJ one on one with a player. It became a struggle since he had the ability to recover so well even after being crossed. That would be annoying to anyone who thought they had handles to deal with a player like MJ.

Dang, what an awesome video. Love the way you broke it all down, and acknowledged his weaknesses while praising his unique skills. Great stuff!

@nonamewillbegiven7228

6 күн бұрын

No weaknesses found. Be quiet egg brain

At the end of the day, those imaginary steals that were credited to him doesn’t impact the game. You can’t score off an imaginary steal. And one thing they should have looked at is the turnover of the players. A steal would mean that someone turned over the ball. You really have to watch the entire game to determine how he played defense. MJs energy on both ends of the floor is unparalleled.

@nonamewillbegiven7228

6 күн бұрын

No imaginary steals found

Compare how MJ hustled on defense to how Lebron stands like a statue on the other side of the court.

@Illtechnica

9 күн бұрын

This is a non-sequitur argument. You cannot compare a 39-year-old LeBron to a 25-year-old Michael Jordan.

@victor-pw9im

9 күн бұрын

lol u can only see jordan played like that for like 5 possession a game, stop judging a player by a watching KZread highlight casual. No one could ever play that hard on both ends every game, u have to sacrifice something or u might die on the court.

@NewNormalWorldOrder

9 күн бұрын

@@Illtechnica Jordan played 37 minutes a game, ALL 82 games, in HIS LAST SEASON WITH THE WIZARDS AT AGE 39/40 I don’t wanna hear it. MJ’s hustle and effort was always UNMATCHED even at age 35-40. And if LeBum is too old right now to play defense, then why is he even on the damn court??? And why do y’all give him credit when he does anything “at this age” but when his age is a problem, you excuse it away??? Y’all LeBron jock-sniffers literally destroy yourselves with your own bad arguments. It’s hilarious.

@NewNormalWorldOrder

9 күн бұрын

@@Illtechnica Michael Jordan NEVER stood there like a statue on defense the way LeFraud has the last 5+ years. BTW MJ had a BAD knee injury with the Wizards the first season, and he went onto play 10 games with that injury… at age 38 or whatever. Again: just stop. no one is buying the lies you’re pushing. LeFraud is no where near Jordan. He’s not even close to Tim Duncan. Stop it.

@Illtechnica

9 күн бұрын

@@NewNormalWorldOrder Using ad hominem rhetoric to denigrate others is always a telltale sign of the uncouth and emotionally unintelligent.

Firstly, Habrstroh's article DID NOT prove that Jordan's home stats were gifted or inflated, his article simply established that the biggest majority of DPOY candidates in the 1987/88 season (and throughout NBA history) have recorded more steals and blocks at home than on the road and that Jordan's home steals and blocks in 1987/88 are marginally higher than the number of steals and blocks his fellow DPOY candidates recorded in their home stadiums. Establishing a disparity between home and road stats is NOT PROOF of home stat inflation, players generally perform better at home, that’s not unique to MJ and it’s not unique to one NBA Era...less back-to-back games, no travel, more rested, often more energised in front of a home crowd etc. Also, that home/road disparity being slightly lower in today's Era in comparison to previous Eras can be attributed to tougher road scheduling in previous Eras, more back to back games and of course the steady increase of load management in today's Era. Logic dictates that the ONLY way to conclusively prove that Jordan's 1987/88 home steals and blocks were inflated is to complete the following 3 steps... 1) Analyse the game footage from ALL FORTY ONE of his home games in 1987/88....evaluate each steal and block on film and compare those findings to the official box score. 2) The process in step 1 then needs to be completed for each of the other DPOY candidates from that season, in order to prove that home stat inflation (if it occurred) was limited to one player. 3) The footage from ALL 41 home games, for ALL DPOY candidates, then needs to be made public for independent review. Haberstroh did not complete ANY of the above 3 steps, ergo he failed to prove that ANY of MJ's home steals and blocks were 'gifted'. Though BBALLBREAKDOWN made some good observations in this video, it's disappointing that he too works on the assumption that Jordan's steals and blocks at home were 'wildly inflated', despite the fact that this has NOT been proven. Until the above 3 steps are completed, there is ZERO justification for disregarding ANY of Jordan's home steals and blocks, from ANY of his seasons. Secondly, in order to assess if MJ was deserving of the DPOY award in that 1987/88 season, or to compare his defensive abilities to those of DPOY players today, it's obvious to any rational person that a full analysis would need to be carried out on ALL of MJ's 82 games from his DPOY season. That same analysis would then need to be completed for all the DPOY candidates who have won the award, not only in 1987/88 but throughout NBA history...ALL 82 of their games from their DPOY seasons would need to be dissected and analysed, with the specific rules of that Era taken into consideration. It's grossly unfair to target Jordan alone, analyse just 10 of his 82 games from one season and then draw comparisons to other DPOY candidates/winners and attempt to conclude how effective he would be defensively outside of his own Era...what about the other 88% of his games from that 1987/88 season, what about his other DPOY caliber seasons, MJ finished Top 5 in DPOY voting for 7 years and Top 8 for 10 years, this included a 2nd place finish in 1993, 3rd place in 1992 and 4th place in 1998 aged 35. Unsurprisingly, he has 9 All Defensive 1st Team selections. The fact that his 1986/87 season has yet to be dissected in all of this is outrageous, given the fact that his defensive stats in that season were ALMOST IDENTICAL to his DPOY season stats and far superior to DPOY Winner Michael Cooper, yet Jordan didn't even win a selection to the All Defensive 2nd team...also his % disparity between home/road stats in 86/87 was just 25%! The limited sample size of 10 games that was covered in this video may show some plays where MJ's gambles failed or times where he seemed unaware of the location of the ball but he most likely learned from those instances and made improvements in those areas as the season progressed, which is why a full analysis of ALL 82 GAMES needs to be completed. I'm not saying that MJ had zero defensive weaknesses but in order to definitively establish exactly what his defensive weaknesses were (and his strengths), the sample size needs to be significantly increased! That same analysis then needs to be carried out on all the other DPOY candidates too! Anything short of that amounts to cherry picking and carries ZERO weight! Period. If we were to analyse other All-Time Defenders in a similar fashion, they too would have some weaknesses, some defensive lowlights, moments where they failed to get a steal or block or experienced momentary lapses in judgement. MJ played defense according to the rules within his Era. Gambling is a part of defense and more often than not, it paid off. How often he gambled on defense in the 80's was a testament to how poor his supporting cast was in those early years of his career but it was also a tactic he employed to keep his opponents on edge and this proved incredibly effective throughout his career, it forced many of his opponents to turnover the ball, they always needed to know where he was on the court, this added an extra layer of pressure on his opponents when executing their offense. Did every single gamble pay off? No, of course not, but it was an effective tool in his extensive defensive arsenal, especially when employed in important moments of the game, one iconic example is the final sequence of the 1998 NBA Finals, game 6, that final steal was a gamble and it essentially sealed the Bulls 2nd 3-peat. And finally, to those out there saying that Jordan's defense would not be as effective in today's game...it's ridiculously absurd to assume that a player with Jordan's blend of high basketball IQ, impeccable fundamentals and freak athleticism would not adjust and mold his defense to evolve into today's game.

The spacing back then was insane. I watched 90's ball growing up, but its crazy looking back and seeing all 10 guys inside the 3-point line, and at times all 5 defenders inside the paint.

@GurtonBuster07

9 күн бұрын

2 bigs on each block LMAO crazy right? Whats crazier is MJ averaging 35 w this lack of spacing im gonna bring lebron up since ppl wanna call him the goat but im sorry lebron could never ever average 35 with this lack of spacing especially earlier in his career. he is just not that type of scorer lol. GOAT my ass

@kyoumeister8996

9 күн бұрын

@@GurtonBuster07 Lebron couldn't even handle Hibbert in the paint, yeah that mf Roy Hibbert who managed to score 0 points 0 boards in the playoff. Let alone Duncan, Yao Ming, etc. Lebron would never survive the era where there was a young Shaq, prime Olajuwon, David Robinson and Ewing competing in the league. People easily forgot a so called 'prime' Lebron is so lackluster in his skills because the Lebron fans nowadays are just too young or don't know how to actually play basketball at all.

@dododump3144

9 күн бұрын

@@kyoumeister8996this is so dumb and you’re so wrong

@akeme25

9 күн бұрын

⁠@@GurtonBuster07LeBron was actually averaging his highest PPG earlier in his career when there was less spacing. I still think Jordan is the GOAT, I’m just disproving your comment lol

@nonamewillbegiven1217

8 күн бұрын

@@GurtonBuster07 be quiet trolll

You know that Michael Jordan is easily the greatest and best basketball player of ALL-TIME because now in 2024, 21 years after his retirement in 2003, we are still having very deep discussions and very serious meticulous conversations about Michael Jordan’s near-perfect career in Chicago. Even that Nick Wright dude and Shannon Sharpe spend much more time in their respective lives talking, discussing, conversing, arguing, and debating about Michael Jordan’s near-perfect career in Chicago than they spend time talking about their favorite player’s career - LeBron James. Michael Jeffrey Jordan is on the Mount Rushmore of American professional sports, so Michael Jordan is VERY EASILY the greatest and best basketball player in human history. In fact calling Michael Jordan the GOAT of professional basketball is honestly a gross understatement at this point. Michael Jordan has been the undisputed GOAT of the NBA since 1988 (for 36 years and counting) and all GOAT debates have been far beneath Michael Jeffrey Jordan since 1998 (for 26 years and counting). 🐐

Can we get one thing clear? The article didn't improve that the stats were inflated. It only proved that players play better at home than away Which is especially true for back then with the back to backs and zero load management. There isn't any proof of any type of foul play when it comes to stats.

@Illtechnica

9 күн бұрын

Another person who didn't read the article by Haberstroh... You'd completely rethink what you typed if you had.

@Rickiwitdasticki

9 күн бұрын

@@whenisdinner2137 what?

@robertjacob8765

9 күн бұрын

There is 1 clear G.O.A.T. Lebron has had the most combined all-stars, shooters, veteran minimum notables, and teammates taking paycuts to stack his teams from top to bottom. Always switching to new teams with new prime stars and handpicking players to fill out the rest of his rosters with teammates that he feels will compliment him. Despite having the most help, he's had the most failures, especially for the amount of help he's had... 4-6 in finals (Losing record) 22-33 Wins/Losses (Losing record) Most finals losses (Losing record) Most swept in finals (Losing record) Had the 6th worst +/- in a finals 2004 missed playoffs 2005 missed playoffs 2006 eliminated 2007 swept 2008 eliminated 2009 eliminated 2010 eliminated 2011 eliminated (Biggest meltdown ever) 2012-2013 Wade/Bosh/Handpicked squad 2014 eliminated 2015 eliminated 2016-2018 Kyrie/Love/Handpicked squad 2019 missed playoffs 2021 eliminated 2022 missed playoffs 2023 swept 2024 first round gentelman sweep 2020 Bubble ring favored older players that needed rest/Faced Heat with 44 wins, Butler's 2nd best teammate was an injured Dragic lol, and Lebron had AD along with the rest of his handpicked sqaud... Lebron is 3-4 against 60+ win teams in the playoffs, and MJ is 7-2 against such teams. Lebron is 10-10 against 50+ win teams, and MJ is 20-7 against such teams... Lebron’s rankings... Total points - 1st Points Per Game - 5th Playoff PPG - 6th Scoring Titles - 6th Finals MVP Awards - 2nd All Defensive First Teams - 5th Player Efficiency Rating - 3rd Playoff PER - 3rd Win Shares/48 Min - 8th Playoff WS/48 - 3rd Playoff BPM - 3rd Offensive BPM - 2nd Playoff Defensive BPM - 2nd Game Score - 14th MJ's rankings... Total points - 5th Points Per Game - 1st Playoff PPG - 1st Scoring Titles - 1st Finals MVP Awards - 1st All Defensive First Teams - 1st Player Efficiency Rating - 1st Playoff PER - 1st Win Shares/48 Min - 1st Playoff WS/48 - 1st Playoff BPM - 1st Offensive BPM - 1st Playoff Defensive BPM - 1st Game Score - 1st MJ leads Lebron 21-7 in every Advanced analytic, Per stat, and major accomplishment, which includes scoring championships, all-defensive first teams, MVPs, DPOY, PER, Offensive rating, Defensive rating, O/D Rating Diff, W/S per 48, BPM, Career Winning Percentage, NBA championships, Finals MVPs, Finals losses, Finals W/L record, Playoff winning percentage, Career PPG, Steals per game, Blocks per game, FT%, and less Turnovers per game. Lebron's only 7 categories are TS%, VORP (Longevity), Finals Appearances (Most help all-time), assists per game, rebounds per game, FG%, and 3P%. Kareem outscores Lebron in these categories 14-11, having a better resume himself. Just below is how MJ scores against other all-time greats... Kareem - 14 Lebron - 11 MJ vs. Kareem (16-9) MJ vs. Lebron (21-7) MJ vs. Magic (18-10) MJ vs. Duncan (21-5) MJ vs. Russell (11-4) MJ vs. Shaq (19-6) MJ vs. Wilt (14-2) MJ vs. Durant (22-6) MJ vs. Curry (22-5) MJ vs. Bird (21-6) MJ vs. Kobe (24-3) MJ vs. Hakeem (22-5) Lebron only shoots a higher FG% than MJ due to the number of shots he takes at the rim. Lebron shoots below 40% from beyond 3 feet of the rim for his career. Lebron has the liberty of shooting so much in the paint because of all the floor spacing shooters he has had, and there's no big centers waiting on him in the paint. MJ was a major floor spacer from midrange for his team, having only 1-2 shooters for a select number of minutes in any game. Also, the bigger the position, the higher their FG% is supposed to be. Lebron only shooting a decimal higher is actually bad when it's put into context. Switch Lebron and MJ's shooting charts, and you'll be absolutely shocked how high MJ's FG% would be if he shot from where Lebron does. Same with how low Lebron’s FG% would be shooting from where MJ did. Lebron only shoots a higher percentage at one place from distance, and that's from beyond the 3 point line. But that's only because of the emphasis causing players today to practice and shoot from there more often. In the only 3 seasons that MJ shot 3 or more attempts from beyond the ark, his percentages were 37.4, 37.6, and 42.7 (higher than Lebron ever shot from beyond the ark)... Imagine if Lebron had 1 all-star, 3-4 good role players, and some bums to fill out his roster for up to 7 years of his career while playing in the tougher conference, kind of like MJ. Then Lebron would have what? 2-3 finals appearances max? 1-2 championships max? Maybe considered a top 20 player of all-time at best? Lebron, having the most help all-time to get into the top 3 conversation, has tainted his own legacy and shouldn't be put ahead of Kareem. If people still talk about Bill Russell (RIP) to this day for having so much help and have him all over their top 10 all-time lists, then Lebron’s legacy is also tainted forever... MJ was one of the greatest all-around players of all-time. He once averaged 32.5/8/8 for an entire season, 11.4 assists in the 1991 finals, and a triple double over a span of several weeks while playing PG. MJ handed basketball duties over to Pippen after his horrific rookie season, at Phil's request, to help him grow into a decent teammate for the betterment of the team. MJ would then focus on his two-way specialty game so Pippen could be productive for the team as well. But Pippen never put up the stats mentioned above that MJ put up earlier in his career. Don't listen to the narratives that the media has to put out there for their own ratings. They needed to manufacture a fake goat in MJ's absence for the NBA's ratings and their own. But they'll eventually tell more truth when Lebron’s gone for some time, while they lift a new star for ratings...

@Rickiwitdasticki

9 күн бұрын

@@robertjacob8765 nothing you said is wrong but it’s a very skewed way to view history

@keegan3472

8 күн бұрын

@@robertjacob8765cherry picking stats doesn’t prove much

1998 Jordan (could make a case for 1987 too but 88 was peak) was the first time ever a wing defender impacted the others teams offence on a TEAM SCALE. Paint defenders had been great before shutting down and slowing down their man - but Jordan impacted the other team like a big getting in passing lanes, help defence, coming from behind - while also being a lockdown defender. This shits ridiculous. Anybody who watched knew what they were seeing. 88 Jordan is the best wing defender we’ve seen. Sorry to disappoint haters. Inflated stats? Has anyone watched ball today? Guys are getting stats easier than ever. Guys are throwing passes to guys on the 3 point line - that guy drives and scores at the rim - and the passer is getting an assist 🤦‍♂️ this inflated stats bullshit is being blown way outta proportion. 88 Jordan was blocking shots and getting deflections and steals all over the place. If someone wants to say “Jordan shouldn’t win DPOY because a guard isn’t as valuable as a big defensively” go for it - but all this “Jordan was an overrated defender shit is just that - shit. Do “analysts” call out every time a big back in the day went for a block and got dunked on? Or went for a block and they guy passed the rock instead for an easy bucket?? No. That would be ridiculous - it’s the same thing here. No Jordan didn’t get every steal and block he went for - but as I said - it’s the first time a guard had the impact of a big. 1 last point - hand checking making it easier to be a great defender?? Haters have been saying for decades hand checking didn’t do shit - now it helped allow guys be great defenders??? Bruh. All the other defenders played under the same rules as Jordan and weren’t as good defensively. It’s like when guys like Nick Wright point to game 3 1993 against NY were Jordan shot poorly - imagine having to point to single games to discredit someone. Not an overall season thing - but single games. Needing to focus on single games against elite shooters to discredit him?? Insane.

It's very sad when some people just can't accept the fact that Michael Jordan was just that good and I disagree with the so-called gambling on defense most of the time it paid off and it was not a deficit

3:52 LOL "It me." I believe it, considering Coach Nick's penchant for bad Christmas sweaters.

Let's just stop. I'll put it like this, my mom who is a soccer person first and foremost, her favorite line when the Bulls on defense (born and raised Chicago native) was, "come on Jordan, steal the ball!". That's every game of 82 game season from 87-98. My mom didn't understand basketball at first but she knew defense. I love defense because my mom would break it down during games. Defense is and will always be an effort stat, it's why I laugh when people say LeBron guards all positions. MJ was a SG, his responsibility is 1-3, and help on the bigs. LeBron sags off and ultimately is looking for chase downs and nothing else. Off ball blocks is the easiest defensive play you can make because you are rotating after the ball handler has picked up their dribble.

@NewNormalWorldOrder

9 күн бұрын

LeFraud will stand around on defense the entire game, get ONE easy block from behind, and the ESPN’s of the world will only focus on the block.

@sherwinferguson5080

9 күн бұрын

@@NewNormalWorldOrder Bro you can make a highlight reel on "lapses" on defense or just plain being exposed. I hate how since 2010 defense is now an attribute. Before if you didn't play defense, you weren't thought of. Defense is all about effort and when I see blow bys or half ass steal attempts, I cringe. It's sad and why I love watching Wemby.

@alfasiger4178

3 күн бұрын

Its a myth that Lebron can guard 1-5. Berea and Terry got the best of him. I've never seen him lock down a power forward or center. Name me 1 center/PF that lebron locked down or limited to 10 points. Duncan, Gasol, DeAndre, Jokic, Garnette, or even Simmons? No one can, because he never did it.

@sherwinferguson5080

3 күн бұрын

@@alfasiger4178 My point exactly. He has never had a game where you can go, "He really shown his defensive prowess this game." Defense is always important but today it's an afterthought.

@alfasiger4178

3 күн бұрын

@@sherwinferguson5080 Jordan: 9 All Defense awards DPOY 200+ Steals 100+ Blocks twice (only player) 3x Steals champion Kobe: 12 All Defense awards Lebron: 5 All Defensive Awards

The hating chasing catch and shoot off ball players makes sense. Bird's winning record vs Jordan. The Rex Chapman game. The Abdul-Rauf game. The battles with Reggie. I dont recall Ray Allen ever really burning MIke, though. It was rare that this resulted in losses-thats why i can name the infamous few and in no way does this hurt him for the modern game. Most of todays stars are zero to low effort ball watching defenders that are liabilities in switch everything defense. If it came down to it and it was asked of him, Jordan would at least put in the effort, but ultimately Jordan would defend a C or PF as he often did in switches, or non off ball perimeter player. So you bet your ass Jordan would stick on the star today bc those are perfect for him to defend. The guys that are the system and the ball runs through them all game long. The Lebrons, the Lukas, the Hardens, the KDs, the Bookers. He wouldn't need Pip for them. Pip would take the perimeter switching and have more length to recover to disrupt outside shots.Of course Jordan would get burned by prime Steph and get switched off. Even Kawhi and some of the best PG defenders in the modern game got burned too. Worrying about Stephs handles and shooting while also constantly anticipating the screen is no easy task. I've always claimed screens as a punk way to celebrate/talk smack. I grew up watching guys in iso going head to head or through a double-triple team. To watch someone get open through screens and then hit a shot and talk shit is so weak, man. Same with any potential MJ vs Dame type of matchup. Dame just pulling up from deep...idk it's not exciting and it's not really going at someone before they can set...it's just not basketball to me, but Jordan or Pip would hound him the whole floor, so it would turn into a screens fest and MJ would switch off as well.

@shamwaw336

10 күн бұрын

I agree with jordan defense doing well in todays game but to think he is going to switch well with todays bigs is a stretch. The biggest MJ ever got was 215-220lb which is a big guard back then. That's the same size of demar derozan who's also 6'6. Mj's not going to be able to consistently defend the paint nor the post if he faces proper bigs.

@Chief_Indo

10 күн бұрын

@@shamwaw336 The game was still pretty elementary at the time that Jordan played as well. I think by 2012 most of the NBA has figured out how to positionally and tacitcally cheese any team. The warriors became a dynasty for that reason. If we took those two dynasties, 90's bulls and late 10's warriors, from their respective time slots and added them into a game in a vacuum.. I think that the Warriors would handily beat the Bulls. Modern NBA is just too good.

@HailKingCeezer

10 күн бұрын

@@shamwaw336 Well you're thinking in literal size terms, but it didn't stop Jordan from switching on to 7footers back then. Hand speed with those giant hands. Vertical with his wingspan and quickness to front would still allow him to be effective enough today as then to not be a liability-same way we've seen small ball SF's play C in recent years. Not saying he'd be a world class post defender, im just saying this is how he was put in an effective position vs being forced to chase screens all game long which is only going to be a concern with a few teams because off ball movement is actually not a strong suit for todays league either. Steph is highlighted for it b/c it's actually very rare esp in superstar players. Lets not forget Jordan was tireless off ball on offense as well so his defenders getting tired chasing him too which in turn makes it a battle of stamina and Jordan is infamous for never running out of energy. He would prob strategize this so that the off ball player runs out of gas and Jordan can more defend him straight up as he tries to catch his breath or gets subbed out. The best off ball players are high stamina players, though. Reggie. Ray. Steph. Rip Hamilton. Bird. MJ. Rauf.

@shamwaw336

10 күн бұрын

@HailKingCeezer MJ is an amazing off ball player so he could punish defenders like that. If anything, the only thing people need to argue regarding MJ's defence is if he can ever stop his habit of gambling on steals or overhelp in defence. It was easier back then because teams were used to iso defence, and not many players outside of point guards had good court vision. Today, though, that's an issue players and teams will easily exploit. I'm sure MJ can tone it down, but a lot of his impact is that ability to generate turnovers

@mjsup1

10 күн бұрын

​@@Chief_IndoThe Game is not mot more complicated and not more elementary, it's still give an go, pick roll, look for the miss matches. What people like fail miserably to understand is the the NBA is also entertainment and so the rules favor the talent, its not about X's and O's, analytics and lack of instincts has actually hurt the game and it makes now a day's look like they don't know the game. There are trade offs, not one being way more advanced that is so dumb like saying we've evolved in 20 years, that's just plain stupid.

Good defense of any kind requires constant and ongoing decision making, great defense takes this decision making up a notch. Constantly referring to this decision making as "gambling" is only adding to the brain rot of people who don't know much about basketball or are relying on these videos to learn about previous eras. That's like saying a quarterback is "gambling" every time he decides which receiver to throw it to. Especially when you look at certain games and you can CLEARLY see that it was part of the team's defensive strategy for Jordan to play as an active roamer, that wasn't gambling, that was his RESPONSIBILITY. In certain games, when Jordan was on the bench, you can clearly see Sam Vincent taking over as the "roamer" and leaving his man to attempt the exact same back blocks and help that Jordan did.

@Josh-sk5xd

9 күн бұрын

FACTS!! To be fair BBallBreakdown did mentioned this a little bit in this video. Wish he stated it more though.

1 minute in and we're forgetting Hakeem, won MVP, DPOY and Finals MVP in the same year...

He blocked post players as the held defender and could jump so high he could miss his block, readjust in the air and still block shots. So he was smart and highly athletic. Sounds like a helluv combination to me....

name a player who has ever been this intense on BOTH sides of the ball.

@md.221

10 күн бұрын

Kobe Bean Bryant

@Dredoc10

10 күн бұрын

hakeem

@tlxxlt4745

9 күн бұрын

@@md.221Kobe’s defense is overrated, even Phil Jackson said so. He had inconsistent effort, missed rotations, and gambled his fair share. At best he should’ve had 2 selections. Wasn’t a ball thief like MJ was either.

@md.221

9 күн бұрын

@@tlxxlt4745 Some of those all defensive teams selections after 04 were but his DRAPM from 07-11 was as good as Wade's and everybody here thinks Wade was an elite defensive guard over that stretch. Also, his defensive impact metrics in 2010 were elite for a guard. He clearly saw a defensive resurgence from 08-10. He also has a couple of defensive seasons where his +/- numbers are absolutely elite for a guard (2001 and 2010). And I dunno why you people always bring up that quote from Phil, but ignore him praising his defense on other occasions. I'd say he was good over his prime and elite at his best.

@IamDoomed15

9 күн бұрын

​BuMJ and KoBrick overrated ASF on D, Dwade is the best for sure ​@@tlxxlt4745

Yeah, I'm sure Jordan was so concerned about freakin Witman taking over the game with his scoring. Come on, obviously if you can turn Witman into their best offensive weapon then you won the game. If you focus your defensive effort on making sure Witman never has a single decent look, it actually helps the other team.

Hey coach Nick, there has been some discussion that the "inflated" games that were highlighted were watched, and not inflated as what has been reported these few weeks. Any chance of getting links\footage of a couple of these home games?

@WopJr

10 күн бұрын

the person who actually wrote the article already did that. they were inflated 100%.

@cjloo5134

10 күн бұрын

@@WopJr the stuff that I read states that he didn't. He was basing it off box scores. I'm not sure. And it's exactly why actual footage (I want to watch the games myself LoL) would be the best ☺️

@cjloo5134

10 күн бұрын

@@WopJr let me go recall where I read that, and paste it here......

@WopJr

10 күн бұрын

@@cjloo5134 yes it was based off box scores as well as real games, i believe he said he watched 6 entire home games and compared them with the box scores and that’s where the discrepancies screamed out at him. not saying jordan deserved it or not but it’s definitely fishy.

@Dotsetc

10 күн бұрын

@@WopJrYeah bro you could look at about any players stats and they'll have better stats at home, just like how teams win more home games than away games. This is mostly due to being on road and playing multiple games in a week span while traveling tires players out. He also used 6 home games compared to a road trip of the Bulls in which they played 3 back to backs in 14 days while playing 2 more games during that span, something which this NBA doesnt even do anymore because its too much for players. Point being, he purposefully created an argument that doesnt exist. Virtually all players and teams have better stats playing at home, just like Lebron does. Basically did a study on a whole bunch of nothing. Especially considering how lenient they are with giving assists to players today, which happens both in home and away games, I don't think this should even be an argument favorable to Lebron.

As a certified Jordan hater (pulled for EVERY team he faced in the finals), yes. Yes he deserved it. Consistently better than Kobe and LeBron isn't close.

Jordan was a better off-ball defender during his 2nd 3-peat. I remember it was Game 7 against the Pacers in 97 and it was the closest I saw the Bulls get knocked out as defending champs. In the 4th quarter, Phil put Jordan on Reggie and he went scoreless that 4th quarter. He kept chasing Miller around endless screens and never once lost him. He either denied Reggie the ball, drew offensive fouls, or didn't give Reggie enough room to shoot as he had only 1 attempt in the entire 4th quarter despite scoring 17 in 3 quarters.

@msftynm9600

7 күн бұрын

Chasing someone off the ball takes so much energy it made him shot 28% from 9 attempts himself. Imagine if he hard to guard 3 Reggies in steroids. Man, '17 Dubs would run circles around him.

@BaXiStA

7 күн бұрын

@@msftynm9600 except that was 97 MJ, 33 years old I believe. It was a trade-off because he wasnt younger anymore but make no mistake, a younger version with that same tenacity and effort? Even Delly gave Curry a hard time, why can't MJ? Also if MJ played today and he would be forced to load manage? He's shutting them down easily.

@NoNameWillBeGiven-sj2ib

6 күн бұрын

@@msftynm9600 try harder trolll

@msftynm9600

6 күн бұрын

@@BaXiStA Delly almost died guarding skinnier, less polished Curry. Was thinking more on 96 Bulls vs 17 Warriors matchup, by then he was nowhere near agile 88 MJ.

@msftynm9600

6 күн бұрын

@@NoNameWillBeGiven-sj2ib Nah, just stating hypotheticals based on facts.

11:57 "The Bulls will play a little 1-3-1 zone in the halfcourt." No they didn't. That was illegal, so it didn't happen. Nobody played zone then. If it wasn't whistled, it wasn't a zone. ...People have seriously told me this.

@Josh-sk5xd

9 күн бұрын

Facts 😂! These haters and their lies about 80’s&90’s not playing Zone Defense & MJ not facing Zone Defense as a Bull have always been a ridiculous straight out lie that’s always been easily debunked 😂 Fact of the matter is MJ always faced & destroyed Zone Defenses throughout the 80’s & 90’s and even as an old injured man with the Wizards. Nothing could stop MJ especially a Zone Defense he would just dissect & destroy it with his jumper & elite mid range game!

@lamefart

9 күн бұрын

The sliding zones that the Hoyas used was also known in college and MJ played against it. Heck they won a ring against that system! It was a full touch hand check zone unlike today's no-touch ticky tacky foul era.

@spicydoodlesoup

9 күн бұрын

I've heard "double teams were illegal back them" multiple times, yet there's countless footage of Jordan dismantling double teams and dunking on multiple opponents at the same time.... The best moments was when he didn't pass to the open man, and instead ran around to somehow use the 2nd defender as a screen on the first defender... not to mention people like him, larry, and Shaq would admit they were offended if they weren't double teamed.

@lamefart

9 күн бұрын

@@spicydoodlesoup he was known to do that. He was so quick he basically let 2 teammates of opposing team bump each other. Kobe was good with splitting screens but MJ was a whole new atmosphere. He was strong af that he could slither through triple and quadruple teams! Lol

@jtremaine23

7 күн бұрын

@@Josh-sk5xd True...here's MJ beating a 3-2 zone from the Pat Riley's Knicks who used to employ it against him in the early 90s & especially the playoffs. kzread.info/dash/bejne/c2qTqcmRiLWapqQ.htmlsi=JaVrXdxmzgkwmVJe

Without comparing Jordan to the other players in the DPOY running, this video would be better titled "How/Was Jordan a good defender"

I think it's safe to say MJ was a beast. Excellent analysis, btw.

35k of those 40k were from uncalled travels, wardoffs, shoulder tackles and his finishing move the dancing traveling tornado

I like this keep observing the old era of basketball it’s different

His hands are insane in this breakdown, the ability to hit ball only is nuts

I played in the CBA. I got to scrimmage with Michael a few times. He showed me the secret to playing on ball defence was to watch the feet, the feet dictated where the player wanted to go.

1987 Advanced Defensive Stats M. Cooper: DBPM 37th DWS 79th stls 61st blks 72nd TMDRTG 7th TM OPPG 12th - won dpoty Jordan : DBPM 6th DWS 3rd stls 2nd blk 15th TM DRTG 11th TM OPPG 2nd 2nd runner up 1988 Advanced Defensive Stats Eaton : DBPM 9th DWS 4th DRTG 12th TM DRTG 1st TM OPPG 5th. - 2nd runner up MJ DBPM 1st DWS 2nd DRTG 4th TM DRTG 3rd TM OPPG 1st - dpoty

11:57 woah woah woah wait…… 1 3 1 zone?? A zone defence?? Zone??? I thought that didn’t happen back then 😉😉

@okcrw0608

9 күн бұрын

Hilarious how people genuinely believe zone defense/double teaming/trapping didnt happen before the “modern” era

@fatboy5926

9 күн бұрын

@@okcrw0608 people just believe whatever they wanna believe whatever suits. In 20 years time Bron fans are gonna be doing the same shit when some fan base comes along to discredit the shit outta him

Major kudos for looking beyond the numbers and into the actual game footage, coach! That required many hours that attest to your love for the game.

Beautiful video as always!

What Jordan did that year is what I used to do on NBA 2k with a 2 way player. I would run around everywhere and chase the ball haha. This is back before NBA 2k started capping everything to be either defensive or offensive and push out the 2-way player.

Hakeem and Giannis also got dpoy and mvp in the same year

@atlien1988

10 күн бұрын

But they didn't win the scoring title, which was also the point. Jordan is still the only MVP to win scoring title & DPOY in the same year.

@xavierb9061

10 күн бұрын

Scoring title and guard not big men, make his alot better

@cnelsonlv99

10 күн бұрын

When Jordan did it, it had never been done before.

@robertjacob8765

9 күн бұрын

There is 1 clear G.O.A.T. Lebron has had the most combined all-stars, shooters, veteran minimum notables, and teammates taking paycuts to stack his teams from top to bottom. Always switching to new teams with new prime stars and handpicking players to fill out the rest of his rosters with teammates that he feels will compliment him. Despite having the most help, he's had the most failures, especially for the amount of help he's had... 4-6 in finals (Losing record) 22-33 Wins/Losses (Losing record) Most finals losses (Losing record) Most swept in finals (Losing record) Had the 6th worst +/- in a finals 2004 missed playoffs 2005 missed playoffs 2006 eliminated 2007 swept 2008 eliminated 2009 eliminated 2010 eliminated 2011 eliminated (Biggest meltdown ever) 2012-2013 Wade/Bosh/Handpicked squad 2014 eliminated 2015 eliminated 2016-2018 Kyrie/Love/Handpicked squad 2019 missed playoffs 2021 eliminated 2022 missed playoffs 2023 swept 2024 first round gentelman sweep 2020 Bubble ring favored older players that needed rest/Faced Heat with 44 wins, Butler's 2nd best teammate was an injured Dragic lol, and Lebron had AD along with the rest of his handpicked sqaud... Lebron is 3-4 against 60+ win teams in the playoffs, and MJ is 7-2 against such teams. Lebron is 10-10 against 50+ win teams, and MJ is 20-7 against such teams... Lebron’s rankings... Total points - 1st Points Per Game - 5th Playoff PPG - 6th Scoring Titles - 6th Finals MVP Awards - 2nd All Defensive First Teams - 5th Player Efficiency Rating - 3rd Playoff PER - 3rd Win Shares/48 Min - 8th Playoff WS/48 - 3rd Playoff BPM - 3rd Offensive BPM - 2nd Playoff Defensive BPM - 2nd Game Score - 14th MJ's rankings... Total points - 5th Points Per Game - 1st Playoff PPG - 1st Scoring Titles - 1st Finals MVP Awards - 1st All Defensive First Teams - 1st Player Efficiency Rating - 1st Playoff PER - 1st Win Shares/48 Min - 1st Playoff WS/48 - 1st Playoff BPM - 1st Offensive BPM - 1st Playoff Defensive BPM - 1st Game Score - 1st MJ leads Lebron 21-7 in every Advanced analytic, Per stat, and major accomplishment, which includes scoring championships, all-defensive first teams, MVPs, DPOY, PER, Offensive rating, Defensive rating, O/D Rating Diff, W/S per 48, BPM, Career Winning Percentage, NBA championships, Finals MVPs, Finals losses, Finals W/L record, Playoff winning percentage, Career PPG, Steals per game, Blocks per game, FT%, and less Turnovers per game. Lebron's only 7 categories are TS%, VORP (Longevity), Finals Appearances (Most help all-time), assists per game, rebounds per game, FG%, and 3P%. Kareem outscores Lebron in these categories 14-11, having a better resume himself. Just below is how MJ scores against other all-time greats... Kareem - 14 Lebron - 11 MJ vs. Kareem (16-9) MJ vs. Lebron (21-7) MJ vs. Magic (18-10) MJ vs. Duncan (21-5) MJ vs. Russell (11-4) MJ vs. Shaq (19-6) MJ vs. Wilt (14-2) MJ vs. Durant (22-6) MJ vs. Curry (22-5) MJ vs. Bird (21-6) MJ vs. Kobe (24-3) MJ vs. Hakeem (22-5) Lebron only shoots a higher FG% than MJ due to the number of shots he takes at the rim. Lebron shoots below 40% from beyond 3 feet of the rim for his career. Lebron has the liberty of shooting so much in the paint because of all the floor spacing shooters he has had, and there's no big centers waiting on him in the paint. MJ was a major floor spacer from midrange for his team, having only 1-2 shooters for a select number of minutes in any game. Also, the bigger the position, the higher their FG% is supposed to be. Lebron only shooting a decimal higher is actually bad when it's put into context. Switch Lebron and MJ's shooting charts, and you'll be absolutely shocked how high MJ's FG% would be if he shot from where Lebron does. Same with how low Lebron’s FG% would be shooting from where MJ did. Lebron only shoots a higher percentage at one place from distance, and that's from beyond the 3 point line. But that's only because of the emphasis causing players today to practice and shoot from there more often. In the only 3 seasons that MJ shot 3 or more attempts from beyond the ark, his percentages were 37.4, 37.6, and 42.7 (higher than Lebron ever shot from beyond the ark)... Imagine if Lebron had 1 all-star, 3-4 good role players, and some bums to fill out his roster for up to 7 years of his career while playing in the tougher conference, kind of like MJ. Then Lebron would have what? 2-3 finals appearances max? 1-2 championships max? Maybe considered a top 20 player of all-time at best? Lebron, having the most help all-time to get into the top 3 conversation, has tainted his own legacy and shouldn't be put ahead of Kareem. If people still talk about Bill Russell (RIP) to this day for having so much help and have him all over their top 10 all-time lists, then Lebron’s legacy is also tainted forever... MJ was one of the greatest all-around players of all-time. He once averaged 32.5/8/8 for an entire season, 11.4 assists in the 1991 finals, and a triple double over a span of several weeks while playing PG. MJ handed basketball duties over to Pippen after his horrific rookie season, at Phil's request, to help him grow into a decent teammate for the betterment of the team. MJ would then focus on his two-way specialty game so Pippen could be productive for the team as well. But Pippen never put up the stats mentioned above that MJ put up earlier in his career. Don't listen to the narratives that the media has to put out there for their own ratings. They needed to manufacture a fake goat in MJ's absence for the NBA's ratings and their own. But they'll eventually tell more truth when Lebron’s gone for some time, while they lift a new star for ratings...

The whole DPOY thing was started by Clutch Sports. Don't take it seriously.

You were watching MJ in the ‘88 season at Old Chicago stadium? That is a pretty awesome addition to the validity of your perspective! Great video!

1:44 yo he SWATTED that. That was on the dream thoo

@colinforsecs3393

10 күн бұрын

Yeah, but those blocks were cheap. Like a sucker punch. The steals I get though

@AbiV31

10 күн бұрын

@@colinforsecs3393 na, those were blocks that were clean. Basketball is a tough sport; if you ain't paying attention and get ya shot, that's on you! Good defense to me!

@nonamewillbegiven1217

9 күн бұрын

@@colinforsecs3393 try harder trolll

@meekmeads

9 күн бұрын

@@colinforsecs3393 Hakeem had a lot blindside blocks as well, what are you talking about!

@ryankayombya7576

9 күн бұрын

That's not Hakeem genius

the fact that someone was paid to do this prove that Lebron and his cast are feeling the end without yet catching up to a ghost he always dreamed he was better than. MJ is truly on a different level.

@RatedRex1

9 күн бұрын

The guy who wrote the article is a client of Klutch Sports

@robertjacob8765

9 күн бұрын

There is 1 clear G.O.A.T. Lebron has had the most combined all-stars, shooters, veteran minimum notables, and teammates taking paycuts to stack his teams from top to bottom. Always switching to new teams with new prime stars and handpicking players to fill out the rest of his rosters with teammates that he feels will compliment him. Despite having the most help, he's had the most failures, especially for the amount of help he's had... 4-6 in finals (Losing record) 22-33 Wins/Losses (Losing record) Most finals losses (Losing record) Most swept in finals (Losing record) Had the 6th worst +/- in a finals 2004 missed playoffs 2005 missed playoffs 2006 eliminated 2007 swept 2008 eliminated 2009 eliminated 2010 eliminated 2011 eliminated (Biggest meltdown ever) 2012-2013 Wade/Bosh/Handpicked squad 2014 eliminated 2015 eliminated 2016-2018 Kyrie/Love/Handpicked squad 2019 missed playoffs 2021 eliminated 2022 missed playoffs 2023 swept 2024 first round gentelman sweep 2020 Bubble ring favored older players that needed rest/Faced Heat with 44 wins, Butler's 2nd best teammate was an injured Dragic lol, and Lebron had AD along with the rest of his handpicked sqaud... Lebron is 3-4 against 60+ win teams in the playoffs, and MJ is 7-2 against such teams. Lebron is 10-10 against 50+ win teams, and MJ is 20-7 against such teams... Lebron’s rankings... Total points - 1st Points Per Game - 5th Playoff PPG - 6th Scoring Titles - 6th Finals MVP Awards - 2nd All Defensive First Teams - 5th Player Efficiency Rating - 3rd Playoff PER - 3rd Win Shares/48 Min - 8th Playoff WS/48 - 3rd Playoff BPM - 3rd Offensive BPM - 2nd Playoff Defensive BPM - 2nd Game Score - 14th MJ's rankings... Total points - 5th Points Per Game - 1st Playoff PPG - 1st Scoring Titles - 1st Finals MVP Awards - 1st All Defensive First Teams - 1st Player Efficiency Rating - 1st Playoff PER - 1st Win Shares/48 Min - 1st Playoff WS/48 - 1st Playoff BPM - 1st Offensive BPM - 1st Playoff Defensive BPM - 1st Game Score - 1st MJ leads Lebron 21-7 in every Advanced analytic, Per stat, and major accomplishment, which includes scoring championships, all-defensive first teams, MVPs, DPOY, PER, Offensive rating, Defensive rating, O/D Rating Diff, W/S per 48, BPM, Career Winning Percentage, NBA championships, Finals MVPs, Finals losses, Finals W/L record, Playoff winning percentage, Career PPG, Steals per game, Blocks per game, FT%, and less Turnovers per game. Lebron's only 7 categories are TS%, VORP (Longevity), Finals Appearances (Most help all-time), assists per game, rebounds per game, FG%, and 3P%. Kareem outscores Lebron in these categories 14-11, having a better resume himself. Just below is how MJ scores against other all-time greats... Kareem - 14 Lebron - 11 MJ vs. Kareem (16-9) MJ vs. Lebron (21-7) MJ vs. Magic (18-10) MJ vs. Duncan (21-5) MJ vs. Russell (11-4) MJ vs. Shaq (19-6) MJ vs. Wilt (14-2) MJ vs. Durant (22-6) MJ vs. Curry (22-5) MJ vs. Bird (21-6) MJ vs. Kobe (24-3) MJ vs. Hakeem (22-5) Lebron only shoots a higher FG% than MJ due to the number of shots he takes at the rim. Lebron shoots below 40% from beyond 3 feet of the rim for his career. Lebron has the liberty of shooting so much in the paint because of all the floor spacing shooters he has had, and there's no big centers waiting on him in the paint. MJ was a major floor spacer from midrange for his team, having only 1-2 shooters for a select number of minutes in any game. Also, the bigger the position, the higher their FG% is supposed to be. Lebron only shooting a decimal higher is actually bad when it's put into context. Switch Lebron and MJ's shooting charts, and you'll be absolutely shocked how high MJ's FG% would be if he shot from where Lebron does. Same with how low Lebron’s FG% would be shooting from where MJ did. Lebron only shoots a higher percentage at one place from distance, and that's from beyond the 3 point line. But that's only because of the emphasis causing players today to practice and shoot from there more often. In the only 3 seasons that MJ shot 3 or more attempts from beyond the ark, his percentages were 37.4, 37.6, and 42.7 (higher than Lebron ever shot from beyond the ark)... Imagine if Lebron had 1 all-star, 3-4 good role players, and some bums to fill out his roster for up to 7 years of his career while playing in the tougher conference, kind of like MJ. Then Lebron would have what? 2-3 finals appearances max? 1-2 championships max? Maybe considered a top 20 player of all-time at best? Lebron, having the most help all-time to get into the top 3 conversation, has tainted his own legacy and shouldn't be put ahead of Kareem. If people still talk about Bill Russell (RIP) to this day for having so much help and have him all over their top 10 all-time lists, then Lebron’s legacy is also tainted forever... MJ was one of the greatest all-around players of all-time. He once averaged 32.5/8/8 for an entire season, 11.4 assists in the 1991 finals, and a triple double over a span of several weeks while playing PG. MJ handed basketball duties over to Pippen after his horrific rookie season, at Phil's request, to help him grow into a decent teammate for the betterment of the team. MJ would then focus on his two-way specialty game so Pippen could be productive for the team as well. But Pippen never put up the stats mentioned above that MJ put up earlier in his career. Don't listen to the narratives that the media has to put out there for their own ratings. They needed to manufacture a fake goat in MJ's absence for the NBA's ratings and their own. But they'll eventually tell more truth when Lebron’s gone for some time, while they lift a new star for ratings...

The problem with this video is it isn’t comparing Jordan’s defense against the other runner ups for DPOTY. We already know Jordan was an elite defender. The question is was he the best in 1988? This video failed to answer that.

@rackball5858

7 күн бұрын

Does it matter? It’s written in stone. It’s a media award. It’s subjective. Players with shit Stocks win, and players with amazing Stocks have lost.

@NoNameWillBeGiven-sj2ib

6 күн бұрын

He was. Try harder smooth brain

Your segway to commercial is so smooth

actually coach Hakeem and Giannis got DPOY and MVP in the same season as well.

@steveshin820

10 күн бұрын

At the time he got it Jordan was the only one

@stambo1983

10 күн бұрын

MJ got the scoring title too

@b3nt0t

9 күн бұрын

But no scoring title.

Ah the lost art of defense...basketball was so beautiful then.

@zoomdoof6107

9 күн бұрын

i mean MJ kinda just look like ANT on defense, theres just better offense nowdays. basically the art of defense your talking about was compared to a 2 YO drawing. now its compared to the mona lisa, or what you would call todays offense.

@YZ-PIXELS

8 күн бұрын

@@zoomdoof6107 it's not better offense they literally took every tool from defenders to make offense easier no hand check whistling on every contact and in the lakers case going to free throw line on wireless fouls 🤷🏽‍♂️

it's why players nicknamed MJ, The Black Cat. You always had to be looking for when he'd come and block/steal your shot.

Coach Nick, where are you getting this archived footage?

There has never been a season where somebody played at that level on both ends as 1988 Jordan plain and simple

2:12 Maybe 6'5 in shoes? When did he lose "maybe" two inches.

@JohnnytNatural

10 күн бұрын

For the Barcelona Olympics, he was listed as 6ft 4.75 without shoes

@nas5017

10 күн бұрын

@@JohnnytNaturalso he’s 6f6 in shoes

@JohnnytNatural

10 күн бұрын

@@nas5017 yeah I'm assuming he thought the Barcelona measurement was in shoes, I think people are still confused on that one because NBA was measured with shoes

@sld1776

9 күн бұрын

Jordan and Barkley were the same height. Almost 6'5" without shoes.

Great video as always Coach Nick!

Bro can someone please tell me where I can find old bulls game footage with THIS good of quality?!?!?!

If 'defense is easier in the Jordan era' then offense is harder. So MJ's offensive stats are worth more than LBJ's era. If he can hand check on D that means he can get hand checked on O... When you play this out, does that really help LBJ's case for GOAT? I also bet if someone validated all MJ's competition for DPOY would find those people had their home stats inflated as well.

@sportstalkonly1442

9 күн бұрын

I fail to see what lebron has to do with this

@nonamewillbegiven1217

9 күн бұрын

​@@sportstalkonly1442trolll

@GurtonBuster07

9 күн бұрын

the fact that michael jordan a slashing mid range scorer averaged 35 in the NBA back in the day is insane w the lack of spacing. Imagine what this demon would do if he played in a 5-out offence LOL

@r.mcdonnell8614

9 күн бұрын

LBJ's case for GOAT is that the Cavs won 60+ games in the 2009-10 season and 19 in the 2010-11 season. When Jordan first retired the Bulls still won 55. LeBron is undoubtedly more impactful

@kyoumeister8996

9 күн бұрын

@@r.mcdonnell8614 You're comparing apples to oranges. When Jordan left the Bulls in 1994, the Bulls were reigning champions from 91-93. When Lebron left his team multiple times, he never left behind any team that has a 3-peat, let alone reigning champions. Lebron left the teams when the teams were already losing with him (even though Lebron always had way above average teammates).

The funny thing is, people would have called this shit out back then if it was bullshit. All of a sudden 30+ years later guys who werent even there got a problem. Foh.

@rickharrison1737

10 күн бұрын

The tape speaks for itself. Don’t be mad that the footage can be seen by a wider audience nowadays.

@stambo1983

10 күн бұрын

@rickharrison1737 6 from 82 is not a statistically significant sample size man. Also, which games were chosen, why were they chosen? None of this has been answered. All put forward by clutch sports employees.

@vindigga6

10 күн бұрын

@@rickharrison1737 1 no ones mad but bron fans, 2 no ones showing a tape and even if you did, you gotta go through the complete season. This is the most half baked shit i have evr seen lol. Just like saying LBJ is better then MJ with only 4 weak ass chips. Even if you take away his Dpoy hes still that much better lol. Yall stay reachin.

@rickharrison1737

10 күн бұрын

@@stambo1983 I agree only 6 games is not enough to come to a conclusion about how good or impactful Jordan was on defense, but it does give a decent baseline on his tendencies and playstyle, especially when you see similarities in different games.

@vindigga6

10 күн бұрын

@@rickharrison1737 dude he literally says at the end "mike was deserving". All dpoy players have game where they get lit up. Look at gobert, isnt he a 3x dpoy and he got lit up against the mavs. Mike won because: 1-he was everywhere and a disrupter, he was always in a passing lane and always coming weak side for blocks. Coincidentally he finished with 131 blocks and 236 steals. Even if its inflated, thats still a fuck ton, and has never been duplicated.

i love your videos but “michael was MAYBE 6’5 in shoes” has to be the wildest load of bulls*** i’ve heard all day.

Bro, Jordan was blocking shots and grabbing rebounds from the two guard position, thats ridiculous.

MJ still 🐐

awesome work as always coach the narrative created of Jordan being a overrated defender has to be over after this breakdown even tho Micheal had his weakness of getting around pindowns and gambling a bit his activity and ability of being a defensive playmaker can’t be denied

@nonamewillbegiven1217

9 күн бұрын

No getting around pindowns and gambling found. Nice try egg brain

Most awards are stats are arbitrary. All he cared about was winning. He played 13 seasons in the NBA and his wish was to have been 13 time champion.

Underrated video. This deserves a multi million views 👏 thanks for this vid ❤

Young mj’s motor was on another level

The way these Lebron Stans look for anyway to discredit MJ is honestly adding even more to MJ’s legacy if you ask me

Jordan did deserve it but either way he has more rings and mvps. He’s the goat regardless.

Nice work.

I mean, Gobert is 4-time DPOY as well, so...

@clover7726

10 күн бұрын

Gobert is a CONSIDERABLY better defender than Michael Jordan, it's not even close lmao.

@urbaindelva7869

10 күн бұрын

​@@clover7726I wouldn't say that. Rudy has been targeted on defense by opposing offenses in the playoffs in recent years. That NEVER happened to Jordan. They also have much different responsibilities on the court defensively. Jordan was a perimeter disruptor. Gobert is mainly a paint/rim protector.

@NBWDOUGHBOY

10 күн бұрын

@@clover7726 Luka would Say Different. 🤣🤣

@sawdum

10 күн бұрын

@@urbaindelva7869 That's because he's a center and have to guard the perimeter. Rudy would be a monster in the 80-90s.

@cnelsonlv99

10 күн бұрын

Gobert is a 7-foot center, and Gobert has never come close to winning MVP or the scoring title... so.......

Hakeem won the MVP and DPOY in the 93-94 season, Jordan’s not the only one

@urbaindelva7869

10 күн бұрын

And Giannis in 2019-20.

@HailKingCeezer

10 күн бұрын

Hakeem won MVP/DPOTY/FMVP. I want to say he was the only one in history until Giannis did it?

@HailKingCeezer

10 күн бұрын

Nope. Giannis did NOT win the ring the year he was MVP and DPOTY. Hakeem is the only player in NBA History to win the MVP/FMVP/DPOTY in the same season

@cnelsonlv99

10 күн бұрын

Jordan was the only won at the time he did it... and is still the only one to do both while winning the scoring title in the same season. Giannis also won MVP and DPOY, by the way.

@timocruz510

10 күн бұрын

@@HailKingCeezer True, but Mike won the scoring title in '88, which neither Giannis or Hakeem did in their DPOY/MVP seasons. All three are incredible seasons

Totally fine with Jordan getting DPOY, but to know whether it was fairly awarded or not, I'd like to see a similar breakdown of the other contenders and their defense. Wouldn't be fair to give to Jordan if there were others with as much or more impact and even less flaws in their defensive game.

@NoNameWillBeGiven-sj2ib

6 күн бұрын

Yawn smooth brain

How funny that this dude conveniently is the ONLY person who has seen this “proof”, and cannot provide a single shred of anything to prove this it’s in any way correct.

Not over Eaton or Hakeem. Also it seems MJ had very strange home stats that season

@briansims7510

10 күн бұрын

His DPOY shouldn’t exist because Eaton and especially Hakeem were better than him. With or without his controversial stats he wasn’t anywhere near as good as those two defensively. That is the biggest problem with him getting the award.

@userb72

10 күн бұрын

​@@briansims7510😂

@maartenvz

10 күн бұрын

The funny thing is we hold this argument against Jordan, but did you check Hakeems stats at home and on the road ;)

@Whatsyourpointfacts

10 күн бұрын

@@maartenvzright 😂

@HailKingCeezer

10 күн бұрын

@@briansims7510 You could say that every year, though. Especially when you want to use advanced metrics that didn't exist back then and especially favor bigs and stocks anyway. You could say Admiral was better. Dikembe and Ben wallace have more DPOTY awards than them combined. Pippen never won and lost out to GP with no Jordan in the way as Pippen loves to use as an excuse that people were too busy watching Jordan and not Pippen(BS bc everyone praised Pip as one of the goat defenders even back then). What was the excuse in 94? Were GP and Pip better than Hakeem or Admiral in 94? Any way you want to try and take away Jordans accomplishment, it can go in reverse and add accomplishments he should have won such as at least 3 more MVPS. BTW if you're a lebron fan, lebrons defensive metrics didn't even rank him anywhere near the best when his fans claim he should have won whereas Jordan actually was incredible by defensive metrics as well. That race should have been down to Gasol and Duncan, both of whom were robbed of first team which was the real story that didn't make sense. LeBrons best chance to win DPOTY (as well as MVP) was 08-09. He was off the charts offensively and defensively in advanced metrics(which will always favor SF/PF/Cs over SG and PGs). He got the MVP. The stage was set for an epic showdown of Kobe vs LeBron Finals with those puppet commercials. The world waited in anticipation...except...like so often through his career. He failed to show up to his own party losing to the real DPOTY in the process who Kobe would easily take care of.

Jordan deserves defensive player of the decade award

@Reanimator14454

10 күн бұрын

You deserve Deepest Throat Of The Millienium award

@brendanbloom3366

10 күн бұрын

No he doesn’t. That would go to Hakeem.

Yeah. Let's have an argument about something that happened 37 years ago. Maybe we should debate something instead of 1987/88 and more modern like 2020+ makes more sense. MJ already proved he was the best defender. He's already the GOAT. Case closed.

Perfect...outside of the fact that Pippen was never a better all around defensive player than Jordan (even in the second 3-peat). And Pippen didn't "took notes" but he was trained by MJ to become a better 2- way player. Amazing video!

The one who wrote that article is a Klutch Employee.

@WopJr

10 күн бұрын

because you can’t handle the truth?

@WutTheDeuceGaming

10 күн бұрын

​@@WopJrsays the guy who clearly cannot handle the actual truth by ignoring this entire video.

@MaverickZ007

10 күн бұрын

@@WopJr Dont be late son burgers arent gonna flip themselves :D

@WopJr

10 күн бұрын

@@WutTheDeuceGaming so when people come with evidence that you can’t wrap your mind around because of your love for a person you just ignore it?

@butchapolinar2305

10 күн бұрын

​@@WopJrthis video is also evidence that you cant wrap around your mind 6 games vs 10 games😂

That off ball defense would be big issue today. And if he had the same offensive responsibility today hed likely give less on that end also.

@atlien1988

10 күн бұрын

Some of the flaws may remain, but he'd also be better prepared to play more against the screens & pindowns. As someone who watched most of his career, I know that he'd be active and give effort. That was rarely questionable about Jordan on the basketball court.

@trollking4058

10 күн бұрын

Depends. If he's on a team with good defenders and a good system, he'd be able to do it. Just look at the T Wolves, OKC, Celtics, etc. Tons of teams with two way stars.

@TheRaidernation33

10 күн бұрын

MJ gave his all to the game his mental makeup is what made him the GOAT there was no resting taking plays off on either side of the ball just because you see offensive players today that rest on defense doesn’t mean MJ would do the same smh

@j_quan2594

10 күн бұрын

@@TheRaidernation33 Unless u just think he has the most stamina and endurance ever then no

@xavierb9061

10 күн бұрын

No illegal defense...hed be more dangerous

I knew you would do this! Love it

Micheal Jordan 1988 was one best season every , who gives a fuck what happens 35 years ago.