I can never get away from this channel.

@xazz4844

3 жыл бұрын

Do u want to tho?

@Hxrii

3 жыл бұрын

I always see your comment

@Voideddd

3 жыл бұрын

same lmao

This play felt like poorly written fanfiction.

@bookworm7076

3 жыл бұрын

I agree! Thank God there are much better fanfics on the Internet.

@matejmatuska6700

3 жыл бұрын

@@bookworm7076 can you recoment something

@nicholasrohde1402

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t insult poorly written fan fiction by comparing it to that play.

@mjb6442

3 жыл бұрын

thats exactly what I thought when I read it. loved 'seeing' Snape again though

@mattchew8mealey921

3 жыл бұрын

I think what ruined it the most for me was the depiction of Harry. He grew up in an abusive home and was never taught love. But despite that he was a loving and loayal friend. He had so much love that when he "died" it gave everyone at Hogwarts the same protection his mother gave to him. Fast forward to the Cursed Child and we see that Harry has grown up to be an emotionally abusive father. He even threatened Mcgonagall and tried to force her to stop his son and Malfoy's son from being friends. He even threatened to get the ministry involved and have the school shut down. Harry would never want the school shut down, that was his real home, and he had nothing but love and respect for Mcgonagall. Seems like a bit of a stretch to say the least that the Harry we read in the original books would become such a horrible father.

It is clear that Gilderoy Lockhart wrote this book, obliviated JK Rowling and made her think that she wrote it and that it's canon.

@KillSwitch215

3 жыл бұрын

This is actual facts.

@LivesInHerBooks

3 жыл бұрын

smh even Lockhearts ashamed of it that he wrote it and obliviated someone

@lylaamin8819

3 жыл бұрын

That’s just not true at all

@abizerzohair6592

3 жыл бұрын

Lockhart's stories had quality

@all-caps3927

2 жыл бұрын

“The world will know our story”

Pretty sure JK ROWLING was under the Imperus curse.

@kapiltaak4154

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with that

@theradgegadgie6352

3 жыл бұрын

And that comment just won the internet.

@raghavparanjpe9556

3 жыл бұрын

I heard from my sources that voldy's daughter put it there

@ffixial_axma7753

3 жыл бұрын

Im guessing it was Gilderoy or Rita who wrote the weird fanfic

@mery5989

3 жыл бұрын

pretty sure she still is right now 😂

I just choose to treat it as non-canon, like season 8 of GoT

@pendragonshall

3 жыл бұрын

you're very generous. I stopped where the book stopped.. Though there were several scenes and a few episodes that were very good.. up until 8

@emilycurtis4398

3 жыл бұрын

Ah, my work buddies and I were so hyped for GoT Season 8. The pain.

@arthemis1039

3 жыл бұрын

@@pendragonshall I never stopped because the quality of the series production, visual, costumes stayed high even though the writing went downhill.

@pendragonshall

3 жыл бұрын

@@arthemis1039 Oh I understand that and agree on that fully. Much like Star Wars, sound quality and visuals were literally cutting edge. But I get tired of the ooh and ahh and want an actual story. BUT I'm not degrading you for watching it. I stomached it for too long and choked on Star Wars. Just no need for the piss poor writing.. We're starving for quality in writing

Can we call it by it’s proper name? “the play that shall not be named.”

@cassiemontgomery45

3 жыл бұрын

I suppose it bumps "Macbeth" out of the way. Instead of not mentioning the name of that Scottish play, now we're not going to mention the name of that cursed play!

@afsanaashika4878

3 жыл бұрын

Yes please!!

@Queenhaylihill

3 жыл бұрын

Haha

@Queenhaylihill

3 жыл бұрын

@@cassiemontgomery45 I don't like Macbeth. Not a fan of shakespeare. 😖 To tragic

@simonspajzer

3 жыл бұрын

You-know-which

Here's my take. As the story relies so heavily on time turners and even has alternate timelines, I see "Cursed Child"as a sort of "what could be" scenario. So Scorpios and Albus do go to Hogwarts as seen in the epilogue of DH, they do become friends and this does effect how they're treated at school. If Delphi exists, she's the daughter of a death eaters who either genuinely believes she's Voldemort's daughter or makes it up for prestige, fame. Anything else is a sort of "possible" happening . Perhaps a fantasy made up by Delphi, or maybe by Albus who, as a way to cope, creates this fantasy surrounding himself. My biggest problem with it is Delphi as Voldemort's daughter. Voldemort from Harry's time, during the BoH seems so unlikely. So my head canon makes it so Bellatrix went back in time and seduced a younger, more impressionable Tom Riddle, perhaps while he was working at Borgin and Burkes. This is my head canon, please don't take it seriously. To sum up: the characters are canon. That they attend Hogwarts and become friends, interact is canon. Many of the events are distorted or exaggerated in an fantasized way, from Albus's troubled mind. I will say though, plot aside, the play is a magical spectical. It's amazing to watch, really well done and a joy. I'd love it if they recorded it and released it that way rather than make a film adaptation. Or film and broadcast it live on cinema screens, like they do with ballets sometimes.

@tracyz9155

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this. I knew there had to be a way that all the “Cursed Child” happenings could make some sense. I have not seen the play but would like to do so. I believe I can appreciate it as a play while still not totally “buying into” the events as hard reality. We can have imaginings that seem very real to us. Again, I appreciate your thoughts.

@timrob12

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe someday I make a video about how a movie adaptation can work if you alter elements of the story.

"Potter Puppets Pals" is more canon than the Cursed Child (or rather the Cursed Book)

@ella.swift13

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@SoraMatt

3 жыл бұрын

@Sanish Poudel look it up.

@FaltaziusLalotte

3 жыл бұрын

🎵 Snape. Snape. Severus Snape 🎵

@Voldemort321

3 жыл бұрын

@@FaltaziusLalotte DUMBLIDLEDORE

@timrob12

3 жыл бұрын

@Sanish Poudel Seriously? You don't know. This thing was HUGE.

I don’t think I’ll ever consider the cursed child cannon it breaks cannon rules

Can we just take a moment to appreciate on how hard HP theory works to inform and entertain us

Fans: Can we have a book about the mauraders? "hmm..No" fans: can we have one about the other wizarding schools? "let me think, no" Fans: Can we at least have- "aight fine im adding another story, and its a stage play..." *Fans getting exited thinking its gona be like The very otter musicals* "...About the non-existent child of Voldy and Bella then we 'justify' Cedrics death by making him evil" Fans: 👁💧👄💧👁👍

@simplymudblood4370

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah.. I sooo agreee

@RoaringMind

3 жыл бұрын

LOL yoooo that is so true...

@emilycurtis4398

3 жыл бұрын

I love the Very Potter Musicals so much. Scarfy!

@cityman2312

3 жыл бұрын

@@emilycurtis4398 How would the hat and scarf sort you? They are much more meticulous than Dumbledore: "I've been putting everyone who looks like a good guy in Gryffindor, everyone who looks like a bad guy in Slytherin, and the rest can go wherever they want, I don't care..."

@emilycurtis4398

3 жыл бұрын

@@cityman2312 lol, I think I would end up in Ravenclaw as a kid, but as an adult I'm a idgaf Hufflepuff. Scarfy would label me as bicurious.

If J. K. Rowling wrote the cursed child, then she must’ve had ghostwriters for the original Harry Potter books because they are clearly not wrote by the same author

@xasthur98

3 жыл бұрын

It's been proposed that the HP books aren't actually written by Rowling but that its all a front and she's just a face for the story behind the writing. Could be true. Could not be. Cursed Child and the countless inconcistensies with the books could be an argument in favor of this statement..

@whatsmynameagain4839

3 жыл бұрын

@@xasthur98 yeah I’ve heard that before, I get it and it wouldn’t surprise me considering the crazy success the Harry Potter franchise has had But to me the books all read like they were written by 1 author But maybe she wrote the bulk of the books and had help from some ghost writers

@CometStar100

3 жыл бұрын

@@xasthur98 Wait what? How can that be?

@ArnoSchmidt22

Жыл бұрын

@@xasthur98 or maybe Cursed Child was written by ghost writer and J.K. is contractually obligated to take the credits.

@xasthur98

Жыл бұрын

@@ArnoSchmidt22 Could be. Lets be honest, we have yet to see anything from her that has half the artistic integrity and structural technicality that the Potter books have. I wouldnt be surprised if there is at least some truth to these accusations. My guess personally is that she had more people involved then she lets on, but has probably written over 90% of stuff in there. And yeah like you entertained as well, i wouldnt be surprised if she wasn't really involved w the Cursed Child and just greenlit it for the money or contractual obligations. Because honestly. The decisions made for older characters in Cursed Child don't even sound like it was greenlit/contributed to by the writer of the 7 books that preceeded it.

I don't think the cursed child is cannon... Delphine was never mentioned in the original series

@emilycurtis4398

3 жыл бұрын

And I can imagine it being hard for Bellatrix to conceal a pregnancy and give birth in the timeline. (Unless her pregnancy weakened her physically, making it easier for Molly to kill her) I still think she'd be fighting in battles because she's badass, but unless she has good concealing maternity robes, I think it would've been noted in a book.

I also agree that it doesn’t fit well with the cannon of the 7 Books. With how Harry grew up without love and with at least verbal abuse by his Aunt and Uncle I can’t really see Adult Harry treating any of his kids like he does in the Cursed Child. You would think Harry would treat his kids the way he never was.

@jeffk.9075

2 жыл бұрын

That's a nice thought but reality shows that often most abusers were at one time themselves abused. Also as we see in literature time and time again heroes who often went through traumatic circumstances don't always process those issues and they can and often do take it out on those they love most. We like to idolize fictional characters like Harry and put them on almost Jesus like pedestals but the fact remains that more then likely after all the years of horrific abuse and trauma that PTSD is going to come out somewhere.

@Bman-dr8hx

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffk.9075 Well technically harry could represent Jesus in the 7th book he died to save others and came back to life like Jesus.

For myself I can’t put it with the book but I say it’s Alternate universe.but that is my opinion,

PLEASE make a long video about all magical beasts in the Harry Potter world. Also another idear make a video about all Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts character s potronus and why you think think the character should have a different potronus for example I think Hagrids potronus should be a hipagrif.

@timrob12

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't that video being released in cinemas in five parts?

@kamrulhassan7179

3 жыл бұрын

you can read fantastic beasts too

@timrob12

3 жыл бұрын

@@kamrulhassan7179 It's not the same as the Potter books though.

Did you answer the question about whether it’s canon? I didn’t see a clear statement about your opinion. I still think it isn’t canon. It’s not simply that I don’t like the direction - it’s that the direction clashes with the rest of the series and doesn’t make sense.

@indedgames4359

Жыл бұрын

That happens when you mehr the og creatours ideas with Fan writing. She should have had total control of the plot and Jack and the others wrote the scripts without any input. Rowling is a planer. In a weard way Delphie was Set up in Goblet of Fire. Time Turner beeing a secret project makes sense with the ministrys Natur The troll Lady seams like the Kind of funny joke lore rowling wrote for herself but never thought would be revealed. So yes alot of stuff fits in this Story. But ther Was abit of rule breaking and its clear rowling would have written Dialoge better ( i wish ther hattest let her write ginny Ron and Harrys Dialoge)

From what I've seen of The Cursed Child, it looks like the kind of fanfiction that someone would write about Harry Potter with only reading the footnotes of the books and not the actual books themselves, kind of like a much less extreme version of what happened with Game of Thrones after D&D went beyond the books with the story, coming across as them making it up as they go while trying to follow the footnotes of the books George R.R. Martin hasn't finished yet

@vikingshelm

9 ай бұрын

They threw away their entire career to run to Iger and Kennedy. Whoops. Bob threw them away because they failed. Funny how that worked. That last season was 🐎 💩

Can u make a vid on top 7 quidditch players

Who else is excited about the new hp t.v. Show 🙋

@StaticBlaster

3 жыл бұрын

🖐️

@arc4751

3 жыл бұрын

Warner bros are in early stages of creating a Harry Potter show. Hp theory has a video on it you should check it out

@fumuso

3 жыл бұрын

warner bros. claimed that there is no tv show happening, its just someone who faked it

@yuvrajchhugani8593

3 жыл бұрын

@@fumuso no it is happening but it is in a too early stage they will do it on hbo max

@iamcreative9299

3 жыл бұрын

Name?

"Long time super fan"? Not even close. He didn't seem to understand the fundemental aspects of the wizarding world at all. I agree, Harry Potter is about grief and death, but remaining in it's own world is what a good story makes at the end of the day.

it is just abusing the names of the original and is the worst fan fiction ever. What is making me wonder is how they tricked Rowling into setting her name under this disgrace. This Rowling took part is 100% unbelievable. The writers being Harry Potter fans doesn't make sense either, somebody writing such rubbish can't hardly be a Harry Potter fan. It can't be canon anyway, because it contradicts the original books so much this is simply impossible.

This is the weird instance where just because writers say something is cannon, fans usually don't accept it due to faults and discrepancies. Happens in manga and anime all the time.

@halam899live8

3 жыл бұрын

So true bro and Attack on titan ending May be the time one for anime and manga do you agree with me?

@halam899live8

3 жыл бұрын

Also you should read the manga Spy X Family if you haven't yet

@matejmatuska6700

3 жыл бұрын

i thing if harry potter have anime it will be way better than cursed child but cursed child is very good story wise if we unthing voldemort child and cedric evil plan

@timrob12

3 жыл бұрын

@@matejmatuska6700 Cedric's evil plan can be ignored, considering it's a parellel universe. The only thing they need to explain further is how Voldemort could have a child. My main theory is that he never had one and that Rodolphus lied to the child in order to set her up against Harry and have revenge on the death of Bellatrix.

@matejmatuska6700

3 жыл бұрын

@@timrob12 or maybe belatrix has child with other death eater

I absolutely don't see the problem with the Cursed Child and "veering off canon". In the books Bellatrix even mentions to Cissi that if she had a son, she'd gladly give it to the dark Lord's service. Reading that all those years ago, made me wonder for the first time, if she'd have wanted a child by Voldie. As for Voldemorts unfeeling nature - you do not need love to procreate. Full stop. And while he was focused on himself, he blathers a lot about the noble Slytherin legacy, hence the need for an heir (or a body to possess if he was unlucky again) might not have been so far fetched. Unfortunately the play fell into the "born evil" trap, and did never really try to make something else than a baddie out of that child, which actually is the true problem I have with this story.

@cammythompkins4379

7 ай бұрын

There's a lot of problems with the cursed child. I'm not sure how you don't see them, because the issues are pretty blatant and straight forward, with little to no nuances.

Yes, as a stand alone play that was a production made by fans to honour something they spent years loving, Cursed Child deserves respect. Its one of the best plays ever, for this particular niche. But its not canon. J.K said in interviews that she did things in the books (destroy the time turners) so that it wouldnt be a problem later down the timeline. Yet she has allowed the play, which is meant to be canon, break all the rules she wrote into the books by randomly creating all new time turners that operate by different rule sets to the old time turners... and this came out nowhere because reasons. Cursed Child fits a niche, and is amazing in that niche, but its not canon

@superseven4177

3 жыл бұрын

Most people are fine with it being a play. The problem is that Rowling said it was canon

@trollingjkheh7622

3 жыл бұрын

I hope Hermione being is just a representation and not canon...

@deborahminter6231

8 ай бұрын

@@superseven4177 she said it was canon, because it would have destroyed the reputation of the play if she would have said otherwise. Still doesn't make the plot congruent with her previous lore.

Welcome to another installment of Harry Potter theory : calm (The cursed child) Everyone's favourite aspect of Harry Potter :immense panic *Kidding* : calm

See, I always looked at it from the darkest place. Voldemort was the epitome of evil personified. He killed without compunction, on a whim and just out of ire. He would do things if irked that most people couldn't or wouldn't do in a towering rage. Given that he is this anthropomorphic vision of evil and he is a man with a man's anatomy and presumably physical needs plus the overwhelming urge to dominate, would it not stand to reason that he would just slate this also, without compunction, on a whim and just out of ire? Even if it was his most loyal and devout sycophantic follower. I don't think emotion would play a part. And if everything functioned as it should, then a child could be the result. This should be viewed as a standalone, just my opinion.

Yess new vid from you= Day carried

i always think logically and try to appreciate cursed child, but the moment i c the content my brain tells me "u have to hate it man!!!! u got no other choice!"

@Badruddoza942

3 жыл бұрын

Me too. I also have the same problem

@emilycurtis4398

3 жыл бұрын

I like certain elements. The play really emphasized the abuse and childhood trauma Harry had, Ginny and Harry's PTSD from their Voldemort interactions, Scorpius being a generally kind person (perfect foil to his father as a child), and Ron being stupidly funny. But the actual story? Nope.

@Badruddoza942

3 жыл бұрын

@@emilycurtis4398 agreed

@raghavparanjpe9556

3 жыл бұрын

@@emilycurtis4398 no obviously from that pov its certainly different nice but I m talking as a potterhead and there it seems to not fit a bit 😐😏

I really hope to catch the play someday to see if they've updated elements from the script and if that experience is better than the book, because a lot of people who seen it have spoken quite well about the play.

For those who don't know... J.K rowling is writing a new book called "The Christmas Pig" about a boy called Jack who has a toy dur pig which goes missing on Christams Eve. The book is to be set released worldwide on 12 October 2021. Looking forward to it :D

@simplymudblood4370

3 жыл бұрын

I dont know jk's books other than the hp series have been a huge flop...

I dont think changing the race of some characters sits well with me. Since if it is supposed to be a continuation, we had a reverse Michael Jackson with Hermione granger

@trollingjkheh7622

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed but i think she will still be white in future movies

@blackflagsnroses6013

2 жыл бұрын

Personally I’m fine with blind casting as it’s how it’s usually done in stage. They get an actor that fits the character, the melanin isn’t a factor. Her ions is still Hermione and however she looks in your head canon will always be her, but you can look past that so long as the character is the character

Great video today keep it up your doing amazing job

I love your channel! I subbed.

This channel is so good

So let's get this straight. 1. JK wrote the story with others and had input when something did not match her idea of things. 2. JackThorne took all of the story and input/vetos from JK Rowling and wrote into a stage play. 3. JK Rowling, the author and owner of the IP says treat this as canon. 4. Fans refuse to treat it as canon. Yeah makes a lot of sense. Sigh. But I did like this videos softened take on the situation.

@deborahminter6231

8 ай бұрын

It actually sounds like a sloppy creation by merging many ideas.

While I quite flatly DESPISE the story of the Cursed Child from stem to stern, there ARE things I liked and were touched over in the previous fan attempt that was endorsed by Rowling: The James Potter novels. These too have an entirely unique take on 19 years later and much like the Star Wars franchise - thanks to Rowling signing off on them to a degree (though admittedly not as BIG a one as what would later turn into the Cursed Child) - can be considered in some ways the original "Expanded Universe" of stories before JK Rowling came back and began the Fantastic Beasts films... And the Cursed Child. So with all that said, what do I accept as canon that happened 19 years later? 1. Albus is a Slytherin. It was done in both cases. 2. Scorpius Malfoy and Rose Weasley do get together (or hint at it), as it was once again established in both cases. 3. Harry being not great shakes at being a father because he had none and the closest things he DID have to having one all ended up dead except for Hagrid (... who is Hagrid. Not exactly a role model as a parent when he tries to raise dragons). 4. Scorpius and Albus being friends. They're Slytherins, it makes sense. 5. Albus being perhaps the MOST like his father in terms of his introverted nature and an example of the route Harry MAY have gone had he not been sorted into Gryffindor. 6. Draco and Harry becoming friends. Harry's greatest ability is his ability to love and befriend people. Sure, their childhood school days and Draco going Death Eater were a sore spot for years, but I think their sons becoming friends really showed them BOTH what could have been and through them forged a new bond. 7. Hermione going Minister for Magic and Harry being more or less the Top Cop of the Wizarding World in the United Kingdom while Ron and the rest of the Weasleys become one of the most famous families of all time? Yes. 8. The idea that ONE of the Potter boys would kind of suck at magic at first (in the JP books it was James, though he got better, and here it's Albus. It's fine). But the plot with Voldemort having a daughter? Even IF I accept that Voldemort had sex with Bellatrix (which I DO NOT), the only way it works is if he did it as a POWER move and little else. A lot of people don't realize that everything in life is about sex, but sex itself is an act of power. An act to dominate one in such a way that you control them. And Voldemort would never be one to shy away from what different types of POWER feel like. I also accept YOUR idea @HPTheory that Bellatrix could have drugged him with a love potion (which is poetic in terms of the plot), but what UNDOES this notion is why the Diggory family? The play never explains this in a way I as a fan would be truly satisfied (not even slightly), why the Goblet of Fire redux? And for heaven's sake, the bloody TIME TRAVEL made me want to wretch because even IF you could explain they invented a Time Turner that allowed a user to go further back in time than five hours, Rowling fully set up the CONCEPT of time in Harry Potter (at least in terms of travelling through it rather than just a bloke getting his head stuck in an hourglass) as a casual time loop. IE. IF you are travelling through time, the events you "changed" are occurring at the EXACT moment you are already experiencing them PRIOR to travelling through time! The Prisoner of Azkaban movie showed this off quite beautifully in fact. All in all, the story is a hot mess that skips, stalls, and goes braindead in multiple places and in short? I reject the play as "canon" even if I fully accept ELEMENTS of it as so.

@theradgegadgie6352

3 жыл бұрын

What do you mean that everything in life is about sex? What a depressing thought.

I can appreciate Voldemort felt the need to carry on the bloodline of Salazar Slytherin...and i can appreciate the Career choices that the characters made as adults. But there are still other problems with the story that are difficult to dismiss. I wish Rowling would adapt a long form Anthology television show for the Harry potter universe that could include a new version of this story!

@curtislangford3181

3 жыл бұрын

@@ijustwatchvideos5920 well that's the POINT of an adaptation...they can make the Cursed Child more in line with Canon. I'm pretty sure they can tell the story of Book while adjusting the Story to resolve any Glaring inconsistancies.

@blackflagsnroses6013

2 жыл бұрын

@@ijustwatchvideos5920 Fantastic Beasts already shows inconsistencies. But I take it as only being canon for the movies not the books. Like Minerva being a teacher, Dumbledore being so young even though he’s more than a century old by the Harry Potter series. I mean we see a much older Dumbledore interacting with Tom Riddle yet in Fantastic Beasts he looks in his 30s. Either he gets old real fast by 1945, the year he defeats Grindelwald and Tom Riddle graduates from Hogwarts, or it’s all just inconsistent to accommodate the story

@Crackpot_Astronaut

Жыл бұрын

Why would he feel the need for an heir if he was sure he had mastered death and would live forever?

@curtislangford3181

Жыл бұрын

@@Crackpot_Astronaut He wouldn't...but immortality doesn't change the amount of PureBlood 🧙‍♂️ Wizarding 👪 families left In Britain!

This channel let me still have some hope that harry potter is still haunting the world

An idea is you could do shorts like animation or from the real movie Keep up,the good,work

Can we have a video relating to the fantastic beast series?

Would be interesting to see a video about which Hogwarts cohort was the most powerful, was it the Marauders, Lily and Snape, was it Tom riddle and his first generation of Death Eaters or was it the year of Harry, Hermione and Draco or even another all together?

@tr3way70

3 жыл бұрын

dungledoor most powerful

@carterhall8678

3 жыл бұрын

That would be an interesting video if he ranked it like he did top 5 Hufflepuffs and stuff. But I feel like Voldy would automatically be at the top.

@MasterTMO

3 жыл бұрын

Think it'd have to be Tom Riddle & Death Eaters. 1- more of them. 2- The Marauders were talented, but not ambitious. 3- The Chosen Trio didn't beat Voldemort because they were more powerful, but because they exploited his weaknesses and let him defeat himself. (Don't get me wrong, they were strong wizards, just not as strong, they didn't have to be) I don't think Lily & Snape were ever really a 'team'. If they'd been in the same house, maybe, but it sounds like they spent most of their time separated and hung out when they could, until they grew in different directions and the friendship ended.

@kaimagnus5760

3 жыл бұрын

Dumbledor was indisputably the strongest. Harry had to exploit Voldemort's few weaknesses to take him down. No one else could even stand up to him. Dumbledor just straight up dead named him and fought him to a draw. And its implied that Dumbledor could have won if he didnt need to protect Harry and just gone all out.

@jamesnoble246

3 жыл бұрын

@@MasterTMO yeah I meant The marauders lily and snape as in they were the most powerful that we know of in their year not saying they would make a good team in reality :)

personally, I see the play tries to tie itself into the cannon but fail horribly since they didn't understand the character of the Dark Lord and how he feels about Bellatrix, then they set this after 19 years later after the last official book ends and tries to tie it to the cannon again that way. Those two points can't be the anchors to make this play into cannon however if we look at it as something along the line trying to keep the HP story going, from that standpoint sure it can be seen that way, and more than likely people will accept it more instead of the whole idea of forcing it into cannon of the story. Stand-alone story idea seems it is the only way we can accept it.

Someone help me! This channel has used a summoning charm on me!! 😂 Accio!

Whoever wrote that play did it while watching "hot tub time machine" really high on some illegal drugs, and thought it would make a good plot for a Harry Potter sequel.

@ellebell9139

3 жыл бұрын

Literally this.

Harry changed into a different person though. In the play.

Wait... I have a child!

@mayukhdutta9393

3 жыл бұрын

That's an underrated comment.

I would love to see that pitch meeting

I don't think there is any issue with voldemort having a child, just how it's executed. I mean what if one of the relics like the cup was in the possession of some other individual and as a young adult riddle, tom starts a relationship in order to get the artifact and that produces a child.

@grandmyotismon

3 жыл бұрын

@@zharth. it really depends on the situation, if the person in question was required to be alive and had to be the one to retrieve said object or that persons absence would imdiately noticed putting him under susspicion. Remember he is a psycopath, a manipulative narcasistic egomaniac, and many people in history with this personality have used and abused relationships of a sexual nature in order to get what he wants. To someone like voldemort sex is mechanical, if performing it would get what he wanted easier then he most certainly would have no quams with doing so.

I saw the play performed in San Francisco a few years ago and I thought that the performance was very good. As a theater and philosophy major in college, I thought the actors,set design,special effects,etc were very good. I also liked the whole “what if?” bit with the time-turners which opens up another whole rabbit hole of possibility regarding what is real. However, as a devoted HP fan I just didn’t feel like it belonged alongside the books. I sort of lean that way regarding the movies, as well.

Well I can only say that as far as Voldemort’s daughter I think it’s possible since the way I interpreted the “no love” situation with Voldly I always thought it meant he couldn’t be romantically attracted to someone, but sexual attraction that was something that I thought was out the window too and maybe it is, or maybe Voldemort didn’t have his daughter out of love, but more to provide himself with a heir to continue Salazar Slytherin’s noble bloodline I mean think about he could do just about anything magically yet I think deep down he wanted to prove he could have and raise a child proving he wasn’t just great magically, but in everything the world could throw at him I mean he was already a master tactician in his own right and he definitely had an ego so why wouldn’t he want to prove he was the best at everything

@oohbootiga7649

Жыл бұрын

"Enemies of the heir beware"

@ArnoSchmidt22

Жыл бұрын

I have no problem with Voldemort having a daughter with Bella, I actually think it's wickedly twisted to think of them having horrible sex, it actually makes a lot of sense. Bella probably liked it rough too, but Voldy doesn't strike me as an alpha who takes charge, he probably just gave her a quickie, lol.

@Crackpot_Astronaut

Жыл бұрын

It makes no sense. Why should he feel the need for an heir if he was sure he was going to live forever? Also, he didn't even have a _nose_ when he came back. I highly doubt he'd have a sexual organ, let alone sexual function. It's just so nonsensical.

@vikingshelm

9 ай бұрын

​@@Crackpot_Astronaut Purely speculation, but he wanted to continue on the bloodline. Just that.

I thought it was a great idea to see what happens to the characters 19 years later and how Harry's children, particularly Albus, get through school, but I admit it wasn't as gripping as the original stories. A lot of the plot didn't make sense like there still being Time-Turners after we know Harry and his friends smash them all in the OOTP, but we learn Hermione saved a few, but it was still exciting.

If the creator of the original says its cannon, then its cannon. If the creator of the original says its not cannon, then its not cannon. I feel like its pretty simple

@deborahminter6231

8 ай бұрын

It's actually not that simple. Many creators will sign of on allowing their creative projects with little to no participation.

I got one point to make about this. In the video games all lessons was based on a obstacle course and the player found a book that thought the character a spell. This is within rowling's universe but not canon. There isn't a bunch of dangerous obstacle courses for students to attend classes. So I don't mind it's existing just that its not supposed to be considered "truth". Voldemort had no child and no child he has.

pls talk about James Potter Series by G. Norman Lippert too. Consider it as a non canon but it's definitely more worth it than the Cursed Child. Many surprises in it.. Pls do talk about James Potter Series. thanks

May I suggest a video explaining why the cursed child should not be considered cannon, and how differently it portrayed it's characters? It could be a video essay.

I fell in love with the original seven books. They were beautifully and carefully written. Then turned into great movies. If Rowling had written fantastic beasts or cursed child books with the same intensity I think we would have enjoyed the movies or play more.

@seugikop583

2 жыл бұрын

But why do you think, Fantastic Beasts isn't good?

There is a principle called the sensus fidelium in Catholic thought in which teaching had to be accepted by ‘the faithful’ to be authentically Church Doctrine. It might not be a perfect analogue, but applied to the HP world, the dislike among the fans for the plot of the Cursed Child and the rejection of it as canon would make it hard to maintain a high status for it in terms of what one has to believe about the Harry Potter world.

I've seen the production of Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, and it was AMAZING. There were many moments where I got shivers. I would strongly recommend it to anyone thinking of seeing it. As to the plot, yeah maybe it does vear away from the original plot but for most of it Albus is in a different dimension people!!

@heidinorth528

3 жыл бұрын

@@ijustwatchvideos5920 yeah but it was amazing. All of the effects were sooooo cool but no one can know how they work 😔

I don't think that the play is a part of the fandom. However I appreciate that so many fans do. However I also liked it only just because it gave us a bit of character development. But it would have been better to see an 8th book.

I'm pretty sure those who have seen cursed child live, reads the script differently then those of us who have not. If I where them I would release the play on streaming etc

@sinnattugaq

3 жыл бұрын

The story is still not good, the only Ok parts are the visual effects.

I just saw the play in Hamburg last week. It was phenomenal. The story was completely off-the-wall, but the actors were great and the delivery and effects on stage were absolutely amazing. I had a lot of laughs and was often creeped out. I really enjoyed the show! If you want to see a spectacular play: definitely go! If you are a fan of HP and love the story, try not to take the play too seriously - just go for the show and the great job the actors and people did on the play.

The very basic common lines of our real world and the magical world are disturbed by this play with this abuse of time travel, since without the laws of time, no human characters or any recognisable kind of world can stand. And along with them, I am disturbed too. But I would love it if Joahn gave us some writing (possibly more adult) about Herpo the Foul, the Peverells, Ekrizdis and more...

Remember "Harry Potter and the Jade Walk-Up-To Dragon"? That was quite the controversy...

If you want a fanfilm that is more canon than Cursed Child, check out Sisters of House Black by Kelsey Ellison.

We all know it's not canon

So it literally was a fanfic

just because delphi said (and maybe was told) she is the child of voldy, doesnt make it so. chances are she lied, was lied to, or someone who wanted to sleep with belatrix used polyjuice potion to make himself look like voldy because it was obvious to all the deatheaters that she had the hots for voldemort, and gave her, her fondest desire and theirs at the same time.

@abizerzohair6592

3 жыл бұрын

How can you make polyjuice portion Voldy didn't have hair ? Unless you can use his toenails But how are you going to get those off him ?

@davidaltman3867

3 жыл бұрын

@@abizerzohair6592 the same way hermione got what she thought was millencent bulstrodes hair in chamber of secrets

@abizerzohair6592

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidaltman3867 off someone's robes? But the point is she had *HAIR* Voldemort didn't have any hair So how are you going to impersonate him

@davidaltman3867

3 жыл бұрын

@@abizerzohair6592 actually what i meant by how hermione got the hair was doing it clandestinely. going through the book again (and judging by the feedback i must be the only person who liked it.) i see that draco made harry look like voldy through transfiguration. also just because voldy couldnt love doesnt mean he cant make love to someone. after all hitler never truely loved eva braun but he did keep her around all those years and i`m sure there was something going on behind the scenes that we may never fully know about

Not first but love ur vids

I think the Cursed Child is just like a fun fanfiction role to read and play to watch. I don't want to speak negatively about it or anything but things in there do clash with JK Rowling's true books. I feel as though only stories written by the author completely from their own mind and ideas are to be truly canon. Yet she approved that the Cursed Child was part of the actual series. I'm not gonna judge or get mad at it being written. It's a good play, I must admit. I really enjoyed it. All I can say is that I wish that parts of the story was more true to the actual series JK Rowling had written. For example, going back in time and changing the past just doesn't seem to work out at all. And also Lord Voldemort having a daughter? Yes, you can have sex for different reasons other than love, but seriously. I always think of Voldemort as not being the type to do such a thing... unless there is something about him JK Rowling hasn't revealed yet... lol, that would be funny! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@augusto____

Жыл бұрын

i agree, respecting the creator of the franchise to decide the canon should be something basic because is her universe, we can don't like it but with the hate trend people don't analyse the good parts of the story, i also don't like other parts but it has some interesting things

It seems like marketing the stage play as the eighth book was the biggest - but financially advantageous - mistake. Because from what I've heard the story works in the medium of theatre and the production is great. As a standalone bit of fiction. But not as a continuation of the very detailed and extensive 7-book story.

I hope ONLY JK Rowling may rewrite the whole Harry Potter and the Cursed Child.

@raghavparanjpe9556

3 жыл бұрын

exactly.

@trollingjkheh7622

3 жыл бұрын

And let Hermione stay white please

My personal front to JK Rowling's writing is JK rowling. As a wiccan, I read her stories and saw aspects of my religion portrayed. For the most part, that betrayal wasn't something I took offense to, because I could see the underlining intent of what she was doing. The wiccan and Celtic communities did not take offense to the stories because she was using it to try to create an allegory for social injustice. And then she turns around and uses the notoriety she created for herself using our traditions to go after a group that is very special to my personal religion. It is no different than if I created a book about Catholic school and the things done to help improve society, and then use the notoriety I created from it to say that all nuns are evil. And maligned the Catholic Church on all it could possibly do as bad. I have a feeling most Catholics would take deep offense to that. Even if the story written was good. As far as I'm concerned the stories are completely divorced from her. I will invest in creators of content like yourself, and other folklore creators. But I will not give my money in any way to her. She doesn't deserve it. Unless she's willing to take back her statements, and actually learn about the plight of the transgender community, I don't care what she says about anything. And she owes the Wiccan religion along with the transgender community an apology.

I was a bit skeptical I read it but seems so out of place how come albus didn't have that many other adventures with him only dracos son scorpius. And voldemort offspring that took me back and the time travel. Not my favorite book perhaps last of the compilation

I think we’re being a little harsh in my opinion. There will always be new writers, that some people will not agree with. Though, for me I have found that most of the spinoff’s that weren’t written by JK, still have some of her writing styles.

Madam Pomphrey is the nurse not Hannah Abbott who should have been. Could have been Hannah was on Vacation. I heard she did not write it she endorsed or approved it. I enjoyed it as did my 12 year old nephew.

A glorified fanfic is all it is

@cityman2312

3 жыл бұрын

Glorified? It's a bad fanfiction, on the level of My Immortal!

@lener6345

2 жыл бұрын

You mean "wretched"?

@Caannnnoonn

Жыл бұрын

@@cityman2312 Internet Historian's read of My Immortal is leagues ahead of the professional stage play of Cursed Child.

I very much enjoy the idea that bellatrix used a love potion on Voldemort and essentially rap*d him like his mother did to his father. It's not a good thing to think about but it does tie in with the story quite well ( it would have been before Bellatrix died so it's unlikely)

@EstherHulst-Artist

3 жыл бұрын

Actually i tought lust and love are not the same thing. Voldemort might still have some human desires and who else but bella

@gwc6953

3 жыл бұрын

@@EstherHulst-Artist nah she literally drugged him like cardi b but honestly they probably flirted because he thought it was funny that she was into him

@alwaysfknlix4633

3 жыл бұрын

I dont think a love potion would have any effect on him, since hes unable to feel that emotion, although you could argue that a love potion isnt real love. Plus it seems unlike Bella to give him one, since she was very much in awe of him and would never try to put herself in the position of power.

I thought Voldy just had the child so that the Slytherin bloodline doesn't come to an end. But the more I think about it, I deny that he would have done that because he had fate he was immortal. So, I don't think he thought of the bloodline ending.

I think the best way to think about the cursed child is similar to how I think of think of the Star Wars sequel trilogy. They might be canon to the people who made them, but to me they aren’t. It’s just so much simpler when you eliminate the things that are breaking the universe.

I lierally just completed Harry potter And the Cursed child td. Coincidence I think not!

who is cursed child and why?

I always listen to the HP audio books and I would have given this CC book an honest try, but I couldn't stand the name script thing. "Albus": "bla bla bla. "Ginny": "bla bla..... Especially when the characters said each others names, it just got confusing. For example "Albus: Rose?" "Rose: Albus bla bla bla"

People are starting with the wrong premise when it comes to the cursed child, indeed I would argue it alludes to that in the title of the play. "Voldermort can't have a child because he can't love" Seems to miss a major part of his make up which was his need to control and to demonstrate that control over others, what better way to keep the deatheaters in line than taking one as a lover and ridiculing her partner another senior deatheater. An example of that which is unquestionably cannon, think of the wand scene in Malfoy Manor, yes he wanted a new wand, hell he had Ollivander in his basement!!! but he chose to take Malfoy's why? because it was some kind of unique wand....no because by doing so he could demonstrate his control and belittle a powerful person at the same time. I feel a Dumbledore moment coming on, what greater curse can a child have than one created without love?

They fed her this silly dream about being a Broadway level theatrical production, probably sold her on the idea based on the fact that they won't touch her story and just place it years in advance. So from her point of view, she wasn't messing with anything she had already created and instead just letter some people use her ideas. She'd get a lot of money and people would enjoy a play about Harry's adulthood. Yeah it was freaking terrible, the entire premise is a joke and really they shouldn't of bothered.

@deborahminter6231

8 ай бұрын

Agreed! She might have even felt like a poor sport to stop the project.

The issue with that story is it's format. A play is even worse than a movie for telling a story. Had they gone with the same basic idea and written a book saga instead, I think they could have made it work with our current HP universe by tying it all back.

Though it wasn't on the same level as the novels, it was still a good story. And Voldemort was searching all avenues for a way to be immortal, there is nothing to say he didn't have a child to further that ambition, at least not yet.

_"...and if something truly veered far enough away from the universe that we know and love, she could have, at any time, vetoed it."_ You mean like breaking the literal laws of physics that she established for her universe? That's kind of a big one, don't you think? People bring up that the time turners were destroyed. Yes, while going against that is annoying and lazy, it's not as big of a deal as _literally breaking the laws of time and space._ In PoA we see how time works in the HP universe: it's closed. There is 1 reality. It's a HUGE deal for Harry casting his full patronus and saving Sirius from the dementors. He knew he could do it because he'd already done it. If you go back to change time, you've already changed time. You've always 'changed' time, without time actually changing at all. It's already happened. This whole thing they did with the alternate timelines goes completely against the way the entire universe was established to work. It's nonsense. And what about aging back up to your current timeline? There was no zipping back and forth through time; you went back and lived up to the time your other self went back in time, then stepped back into your place. Closed system. And if time turners allowed you to go decades back in time, why wouldn't _anyone,_ not a _single_ adult, ever have done that to stop Voldemort in the first place? Ridiculous. It's absurd to think that _nobody_ would have done that, and it's even _more_ absurd to think that they would allow a literal child access to a magical device that could bring about the destruction of their world if they felt like going back in time and mucking about. There are so many things wrong with Cursed Child, but this is the biggest to me. It breaks everything.

The important question is this- what (or who) determines what is or isn’t canon? I personally think for something to be considered canon, it must check two boxes while the original author / creator is still alive: 1. The original author must “co-sign” the new work as canon. 2. The new work cannot be at odds with canonically established facts, themes, and character development. I think Cursed Child checks the first, but not the second. I truly think that when a piece of entertainment lore is adopted by a lot of people (in this case, millions.... maybe even billions), they should get a say in what makes something canon or not- hence bullet #2. Because Cursed Child does not meet both [of my] criterion, I do not consider it canon.

I read "The Cursed Child." And I have to say I didn't much like it. I thought the plot was a bit too contrived, or strained perhaps. That Voldemort had a daughter was a bit of a stretch, I think. Using the time turner to undo Cedric Digory's death wasn't the best plot idea. But what else could the son of the famous Harry Potter and Malfoy Jr. do? Voldemort's dead, there aren't any important threats from death eaters anymore. Basically the wizarding world is at peace.

I like some aspects of it but not much to be honest

No it's not canon

@annalisageiger

3 жыл бұрын

that's an opinion I hope you know

I have a question for you. Is it possible to use Pollyjuice Potion to turn in to a DEMENTOR using there Skin ?. Respect and keep up the epic work. Never mind it was Laxa Blishen who was she ?.

Honestly, I think the Cursed Child is overhated. As much as it may be a difference from the novels and films and it may retcon or change a few things we’re used to, I honestly don’t care about any of that because I went to see the performance for myself in London, and it was the best performances I had ever seen. I get people cling onto what’s established and they may not be happy with Rowling today, but I don’t care if the Cursed Child is canon or not because in all honesty, does it really matter? Plus, while watching the performance back in 2019, I could tell they were very passionate about it, and I respect them for it. And if Rowling agreed with the pair when she asked them what they thought of Harry Potter, then it’s quite clear they have a thorough and deep understanding to it than we are giving them credit for. And after watching your videos, MovieFlame’s videos on Harry Potter, I honestly agree with all three of them.

why would there be a need for a stage version of any of the Harry Potter books?

There are things I believe should be changed about this show. Firstly, I don’t fully hate Voldemort having a child. It’s just not well executed. I would’ve liked it better if she was still related to Bellatrix but was Rudolphus Lestrange’s daughter. I know she didn’t love him but if Voldemort wanted an heir she would give him one without question. Upon meeting Albus and Scorpious she has two options. The boys would trust her and possibly try to help change her. Saying something probably around this “Don’t be like Bellatrix Lestrange or Rudolphus Lestrange! Be like *Leta Lestrange!”* Wether you want her to change sides is up to you.

I appreciate it for what it is, as a stand alone play, but I don't consider it canon

Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality should become canon XD

I totally think it's fine if fans enjoy The Cursed Child. However having a lot of influence still doesn't make it a creation of the original author. She simply participated and allowed it, it was never meant to be the next novel installment. The bottom line is, fans can personally choose whether they consider the play canon or not.

I love it. It’s not as good as some of the other Harry Potter books but I still love it