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@user-hn1el1ck7c

2 ай бұрын

He sure did. He even had a Wife.

This is so difficult for our sinful minds to comprehend. We project our sins onto Jesus.

Of course He had. He "has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he did not sin" (Hb 4,15).

@martanieradka4675

Ай бұрын

You think some puny pretty woman would move him when he made every single of them and knew every nasty thought they had that pierced his heart?

@tonywallens217

Ай бұрын

@@martanieradka4675yeah.

@andrewpatton5114

Ай бұрын

@@martanieradka4675 I picture Satan sending a prostitute to tempt Jesus only for Jesus to convert the prostitute.

@danielsanchez3260

Ай бұрын

⁠@@martanieradka4675Jesus did not create people because he is not God the father. John 6:38 states “for I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but to do the will of him who sent me.” It’s important to remember that God the father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit make up the trinity of God, but they are each separate beings.

@bleach4052

Ай бұрын

Didn't Jesus eat fish? How will you justify that?

Thank you for your analysis. Now, the part of the Anima Christi makes sense because "Blood of Christ, inebriate me" makes perfect sense in relation to the blood of love. Thank you.

yk, sometimes i wonder where my soul would be without your soul.

@fisherofman01

2 ай бұрын

Where would his soul be without the soul of the one true Lord Jesus Christ! ❤

@jonathangermain4143

2 ай бұрын

Same. All praise be to Jesus Christ.

@oliverwolf7262

Ай бұрын

Amen brothers and sisters. Amen!❤!❤!❤!❤!❤!❤!❤!

I’ve actually wondered this! Thank you for the explanation!

Beautiful imagery and helped me understand Jesus more. Love the humor as well

Best course commercial ever! Love this way of approaching TOB for beginners.

You’re blowing my mind right now but I LOVE IT!!🥰

@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute

2 ай бұрын

We're so glad it blessed you!

I always learn something very deep and new from Christopher, thank you!

Meeenn!!! I love this channel😊😊 Be blessed

Excellent explanation

He *knew* sinful conduct: He saw and sees it *all the time* yet He hates it; it frankly thoroughly disgusts Him beyond no limit!

God bless you Christopher 🙏🙏.

@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute

2 ай бұрын

God bless you, too!

Thanks Chris.

Praise to Jesus! I know this stuff is good, even im struggling so much.. 😢

You did a video with a friend of yours Christopher many years ago. Your friend was speaking about the loss of his father who was a mechanic I think, and abiding in the Father's love. I loved that video and can't find it anywhere. Did you delete it? Can you send me the link?

I never had to wonder about this, I found out what Lust is slowly after turning 26, maybe even a couple years later. It's so disgusting. I don't know how people give in to it, it's just a very rude sensation I don't endorse. Looking at someone with Lust seems rude as hell to me, heck feeling Lust in itself feels degrading, actually letting yourself enjoy it and give in to it... My goodness how twisted that would be. Either way, I've found that redirecting the data from the loins to the forehead in a crescent moon tends to help convert at least part of it into more uplifting sensations and allows to appreciate the sight in its ethereal beauty rather than its carnal nature, to a varying degree. It looks like a skill to be honest and I haven't trained it. Either way sexual desires without Lust are like a playful longing, in case somebody needs a baseline, and have no aspect of compulsion to them. It's not unlike you'd feel when you start craving playing a game of beach volley after getting to the beach, not exactly like it because it's a different activity and probably you aren't that much into seasonal beach volley, but close enough.

Hebrews tells us he was a full human, faced with every struggle we face.

@MrTournemire

2 ай бұрын

ok...but what does that actually mean?... is "every" like really "every"? if it is...this "explanation" from this guy is nothing else than a lot of nice words with no concrete meaning...only a lot of blah blah Either he IS fully human or He IS NOT....

@307cavalier5

2 ай бұрын

@@MrTournemire yeah, that's why I brought up Hebrews.

@MrTournemire

Ай бұрын

@@307cavalier5 sooo...did Jesus (in your opinion) had sexual desires like us?

@307cavalier5

Ай бұрын

@@MrTournemire Yes.. However, Christ illustrates that you arrest every thought to God. Sexual desire and Lust are the same thing, if you don't treat them as such your taking a moralistic/legalistic stance. The tendency for most Organized Religion, is to approach from the perspective of Sin being a moral failing as opposed to separation from God...If we are living as Christians then we are no longer separate from God and we can CHOOSE how we look at people and situations And that is what Christ illustrates. references Hebrews 4 and 2 Corinthians 10

@alonsoACR

24 күн бұрын

​@@307cavalier5... Sexual desire is not a sin. The Bible fully and wholly approves of marriage, which is defined in a million places as the act of joining bodies. St. Paul even mandated married couples to not deprive each other, meaning it's not like sex is a compromise... it can actually be sinful to not have sex, when you're married. I'll be honest, brother. To make marriage a sin is one of the worse kinds of heresies to fall into. Everything natural has its place, and it is good when it is in its proper place.

May God have mercy on you for making such a video

@Stoyd333

Ай бұрын

For answering a common question?!? God bless!

This was wonderful. I wish I was as articulate so that God could use me.

@fritzbarbour5402

2 ай бұрын

God can use you no matter what man❤

@monkaZETTA

2 ай бұрын

@@fritzbarbour5402 But I have got social anxiety, and I'm not articulate.

@fritzbarbour5402

2 ай бұрын

@@monkaZETTA same I’m socially awkward too. But you don’t have to do something like this you can serve in any way. The best way to serve is just by loving and being kind to others.

@monkaZETTA

2 ай бұрын

@@fritzbarbour5402 true. Thanks for the advice

@GodSoLoved.Yeshua

2 ай бұрын

Moses had a speech impediment, God greatly used Him. Don't discount what God can do with a willing and humble heart.

I agree. It is unimaginable to see how we are not the same though we still want and think of us as just and sinless. But we live by our death. We still need to have sexual relief or 'fighting' relief or meat eating or consume whatever, from stress and we are still procreating. Dead men making dead men. We still love others partially, but we cannot change our body anymore before ressurection. Everyone has at least one imperfection of body and mind, no metter what cures we got and whatever we've done...

He has a desire for us to unite with Him and it’s greater than having sex it’s even more intimate, it was perhaps offered to Him and he probably gave a pity look back. His body was absolutely in tune with his pure mind

Hi Cristopher. Are you planing to release your book “eating the sunrise” on audible. That would be amazing if you do :)

@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute

Ай бұрын

Hello! We're working on it. Christopher has already recorded it, we're on editing phase right now.

@bobmorozov9912

Ай бұрын

Great! Thanks!!!

Amen brothers and sisters. Amen!❤!❤!❤!❤!❤!❤!❤!

Interesting. God loves you. Jesus loves you. On your journey beware of traps and snares. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Don't become lost in the ways of the world.

Unbelievable 🤯

I can’t wait to clap clap clap clap clap in the mighty name of Jesus Christ and by the blood of Jesus Christ I pray, Amen. 🙂

Brother, this subject puzzles me such way, it's been many of your videos I'm tryna understand. Comparing to the studies of my ongoing psychology graduation, it seems, briefly speaking, the way we experience sexual arousal is purely sinful, cuz it's rooted on the desire to consume that prohibited different body from mine. And I specially don't get both ways, the holy and the ungodly "sexually active", as I'm a former porn addict, now privated from everything I've been conditioned to be turned on (still struggle not to check out on immodestly dressed women). All of it bugs me with questions. How is it all supposed to work the pure sinless way? What is its practical substantial difference from this twisted way *the whole world* is used to? Even tho protestant, I'm so curious about all of this, which I don't hear *anywhere* being so widely discussed about! Hope I learn how to be passionate with godly love, not sin.

@jasonpreston4976

2 ай бұрын

I think it comes down to this: do you give a woman pleasure while concerned for how it makes her vulnerable to heartbreak later, and hoping it only brings her good things, brings her closer to trusting God? And do you receive pleasure from a woman concerned that it might make her feel used, and hoping it makes her feel empowered as an active servant infused with agape like yourself?

If that is the case, the question is: Towards whom?

@alfonsuskristo1624

Ай бұрын

I think the answer of that question is difficult. In my opinion, if Jesus has sexual desire to a woman, that woman can't felt the same sinless desire as Jesus, therefore it's not mutual. And since Jesus knows that women's desire is not pure, he can't have a desire for them. Second theory is since sexual desire is originally for married couple, and Jesus is not married to anyone, then having desire for a woman is a sin.

@enammemberseptember7366

Ай бұрын

There's hot girls everywhere throughout history in every civilization, if Jesus was FULLY human, surely He would have wanted to bone some particular girl or girl, being attracted to them purely due to their physical appearance. If He didn't, then He wasn't ACTUALLY God in human form, just God shape-shifted to look human. Now, He obviously didn't act on the desires, but I still think He likely had them.

I dont think Jesus did lust. He is sinless and a sin is already to think of a woman with lust, meaning He did not think about lustful thoughts because He wouldn’t be sinless.

Im scarred of blaspheming

I think Jesus was fully human and fully God. Any philosophical equivocation we do to lessen Jesus's experience of the human condition lessens that Truth and makes God unrelatable. After all if God didn't fully overcome everything we experience as humans, then we might as well worship Zeus or Krishna, etc. because they also never experienced the human condition fully.

@giovannimartini6405

2 ай бұрын

"He has been tempted in every way, just as we are" (Hb 4,15)

@MrTournemire

2 ай бұрын

And what does that mean in practical terms in relation to the question above?

He was the Word of Abba. His mind had no room for such impure mundane thoughts. He was constantly in the presence of the Father, receiving divine revelation 24/7. All his desires were of the Spirit.

Jesus taught that some individuals are born as eunuchs (Matthew 19:11-12). It's likely that Jesus was one such individual Himself; that Jesus was essentially asexual, thus never having sexual desires towards others.

@andrewpatton5114

Ай бұрын

No, that would mean that Jesus suffered a defect in His Body. The Torah says that a eunuch cannot function as a priest, so it cannot be that the High Priest and Second Adam was a eunuch.

I wonder where appreciating someone’s physical beauty and having sexual desires ends and lustfulness begins.

@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute

Ай бұрын

Thank you for your honest question! We have a video addressing just that: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dWaTk7N6fMLaaLA.htmlsi=KD9OucNnaj-MmvDj

How can this work in practice? Sexual desire has an object which is wanted, otherwise it is not desire but observation. This means that if Jesus had sexual desire someone was the object, so who was that? Seems a really significant detail. Not mentioned in scripture.

@dantedelgadillo7090

Ай бұрын

There is a verse where Jesus was talking in the temple and one of his disciples tells him that his mother and his brethren were looking for him and desiring to speak with him. Then Jesus told the people “who is my mother and my brethren? Them who do the Will of my Father is the same my brother, my sister, and my mother.” I believe this could pinpoint the feminine nature that Jesus Christ was attracted to. No lust, no evil, but only Holy, and righteous daughters of God. 🙂

I guess that's just the sad thing. The devil has distorted every beautiful thing, so even though we might be able to recognize some obvious lustful thoughts and actions, it's more difficult to know where exactly the lines are drawn when we are such deeply sinful creatures. Even when we're trying to do good, we've grown up in a world where normal sexual desires have become so intertwined with lust due to our sinful nature, and culture we're exposed to.

Answer without watching this video, no.

Just curious but didn’t Mary maintain her virginity after Jesus was born since the sexual act is a taste of the beauty of eternal life? Similarly, I initially thought the answer would’ve been no because he was already apart of that eternal beauty.

While I think this can be something that be a helpful meditation for those in the married state, or those discerning it, it is only possible by looking past those things and seeing the good of God’s Will in so far as He blesses the sexual union between man and wife … this explanation does not take into account the notion of antecedent concupiscence and consequent concupiscence. Jesus did not allow Himself to feel anything improper to His Divine Mission as the Son of God and the will of His Father and allowed Himself to be tempted at times for the sake of His Father’s glory and love, which is all He cared about (which includes our salvation). However, I really don’t believe that (since there is no need for such a desire and the Hypostatic Union with the Divinity is so powerful) Jesus experience sexual desire. It makes so much more sense that He would look upon it in a way of appreciation for the goodness with which He created it, as His creation, having full knowledge of its true nature and ideal as God Himself. However, I don’t think that He would have experience this because, since He was in total control of His Passions and Concupiscence, it would’ve meant that He would’ve had to will directly to feel that way, or permit it, and this had nothing to do with His Mission as the celibate Son of God. So, to me, this is more interesting, as when Jesus seems to be moved in the Scriptures by some situation, in a very human way (and it is indeed human), it means that in virtue and love He chose to allow Himself to be moved with that compassion, mercy, sadness, etc. God chose to be sad and allow Himself to feel it because of His infinite charity. But, sexual desire, I don’t think so. He certainly has an ideal for those who are meant for it, and this ideal is divine and has its origin in Him. But, I think He appreciated it as His creation, not something He experienced. These are my thoughts.

my follow up question is how do we get drunk on the spirit? what are the practical things that we must do to achieve this?

@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for your comment! Prayer and the Eucharist are very practical ways to get drunk on the Spirit! These videos might help: kzread.info/dash/bejne/h2WKtLWBmdWapKw.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/eJOAz8d-Zte9otY.html

No

I believe he did because if he did not he could not identify with the desire s of my heart the bible says he identify with us .

@martanieradka4675

Ай бұрын

The only desire he had was pure love for people, anything unclean would suggest he was a sinner!

@GodSoLoved.Yeshua

Ай бұрын

"we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he did not sin." Hebrews 4

The difficulty is that the Church says sexual desire and pleasure are only right within marriage. I know we do not sin if we experience and reject such desires outside marriage, but what I have read still seems to say such desires are not rightly ordered. Now, Christ did not even experience even the slightest internal temptations to sin. However, we do not read of Christ ever being married. How can we reconcile the idea that Christ had sexual desires with his never been married?

@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute

2 ай бұрын

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@GodSoLoved.Yeshua

2 ай бұрын

"we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he did not sin." Hebrews 4

@FoundSheep-AN

2 ай бұрын

If you burn with desire you have to marry. Have a sacramental marriage. Find a good girl and marry her. St Paul said it’s better to marry then to burn with passion

@vaderkurt7848

2 ай бұрын

​@@FoundSheep-AN Easier said than done to find someone to marry.

@mrjkstark

2 ай бұрын

@@vaderkurt7848That’s not to say it’s impossible and not worth the effort though. Nearly everything is easier to say than to do. But good things are worth the effort.

The summary is that He was tempted in every single way that everyone else is: and what're sexual temptations? Simply put: they're the desire to become a parent and have a family; almost always disordered, but still there: everything that's evil is a corruption, not a privation, of something good, simple as that: otherwise it will NOT be tempting at all: nobody is tempted by something that comes across as harmful to them of and by itself: you only get tempted by that once you become fully convinced you yourself are a *monster* who needs to be controlled and/or killed out of duty to your neighbor to keep the least of us all safe! Now, those would NEVER have come from his own flesh, but they'd come, as all evils inevitably do: from the "spirit", namely suggestions, no evil ever comes from the flesh: it simply *sits there*, it is incapable of being harmful *in and of itself*, all evil, bar none, therefore, comes from the *spirit*, maybe *via* the flesh, but the source is the spirit, so the spirit, namely the immortal, is what has to DIE off completely!

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I believe he did not because he was the son of God. There were temptations but he didn't go the temptation sin way.

Jesus , was the son of God, he knew much more than we do. Sex was probably the furthest from his mind knowing he was going to be put to death, in a horrible way. He had one agenda.

@herbertkizito6992

2 ай бұрын

Not furthest. He was, and He is God and that DID NOT happen

Of course not, his mind is in a state we can’t comprehend, he has been there there since the beginning of time and gave beginning to anything material every known law of physics, it’s actually even stupid to ask such a question. It basically says a lot about the person asking, like no reflection and shallow understanding of reality I guess…

@enammemberseptember7366

Ай бұрын

Jesus was God in human form, He suffered all the temptations we do. He was hungry, tired, angry, etc., so why would He not have the most base human desire if He truly was God in human ,not God who created an illusion to look human?

I'm not yet convinced. Attraction is different than desire. Without original sin (and actual sin), God's grace would permeate the human mind and will, allowing the will to perfectly govern the passions according to reason, i.e. the true and the good. Thence, it seems that the movement of the passions governed by a perfectly enlightened reason and untainted will would be that sexual desire would be ONLY for one's spouse, not attractive women in general. Jesus was called to be a celibate single and He always knew this. Hence, since He was single and knew He would never marry, and although He would find women attractive, would it make sense that He had sexual desires?

@andrewpatton5114

Ай бұрын

The fact that He knew He would never marry (in a human sense) doesn't mean He had no desire to marry. He suffered not only in His Passion, but throughout His Life, experiencing every aspect of the fallen human condition except for sin and concupiscence. Yes, the dissonance between desiring to marry and not being able to causes suffering, but He was, "A man of sorrows, accustomed to infirmity (or grief)."

We don't HAVE TO conclude anything. We regularly presume to know WAY more than we have any reason to assume we do. Jesus didn't just not have sin, he was an unfallen man. This means he was not subject to any of the effects of the fall of man. When we can give a full account of those effects then we can presume to know these things not laid out in scripture. We also don't know about Jesus particular disposition as an individual. There are fallen men with very little to no sex drive. One thing is clear though. He did experience sexual desire once he took on man's sin

@giovannimartini6405

2 ай бұрын

"He has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he did not sin" (Hb 4,15)

It makes no sense to think Jesus had sexual desire. He's God and is self sufficient with His relationship with the three persons of Himself. He wants more people to love because He knows how that feels, because He is multiple people. Sexual desire is not part of the love God has for His persons. Jesus desired food and drink so He could show what to do with our basic needs. Sex is a want, not a need. If Jesus had sexual desire He'd be favoring one person in a way He couldn't love anyone else. That wouldn't be fair because our value comes from Him.

@SemiFitCatholic

Ай бұрын

I'm no theologian, but I think there are two main things to consider in response. 1) Christ is FULLY God, but also FULLY man. I think you would be right in saying that He does not experience sexual desire as such through His Divine Nature. However, to say that He had no sexual desire in His human nature would be limiting the humanity of Jesus. He had all human desires. However, he had perfect mastery over them by being perfect. Which leads to 2). I think there is a lot of difficulty picturing what a purely perfect sexual desire might look like, and that bears reflection for sure, because an imperfect desire is so ingrained in our imperfect humanity ( as sexuality is so ingrained in human nature). What I'm considering atm is that you could exchange "sexual desire" with "authentic masculine urge to love." There's more to unpack with the word "masculine," but this comment is already too long.

Another interesting question is was there any girl attracted to Jesus?

Question. Humans are are still humans if they are asexual. Are you suggesting then that If Jesus was so, would he be "less human" or more sinful in any way?

Short answer, no. Long answer, no.

@jasonpreston4976

2 ай бұрын

I feel sorry for you.

So you say Jesus wanted to sex, but didint?

People acknowledge asexuality can be a thing so I think Jesus could have been freed from sexual desires and still be fully human. Honestly, a god being attracted to humans is the equivalent to a human wanting to have sex with a dog. Besides, being sinless didn't make Jesus inhuman. We were supposed to be made innocent in Eden and Mary proves a person can have free will and be sinless.

@giovannimartini6405

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, but God became a real human, so it would have been a dog being attracted to another dog. Asexuality is OK, but asexuals are free from one kind of temptation and Jesus "has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he did not sin" (Hb 4,15).

@abbeymensler7274

Ай бұрын

@giovannimartini6405 no this is incorrect he was both God and man.

It is simple: He wasn't tempted *by* the flesh, but He sure was tempted *in* the flesh; it is as if He's a ruler who's got complete ideological control of his country: but it does NOT mean that He will not have His settlements accosted by foes; as His own testamony of His own temptations confirms. I mean: He was tempted to break a fast that He shouldn't break as one of the *earliest* of His temptations; and His tempter *knew very well indeed* that it was tempting Him: they had met long before the human race had even *begun*, these two foes *KNEW EACHOTHER* very well indeed! He also knew His foe was basically a socialist megalomacial tyrannical *idoitic fool* about managing production, and a gangster/mafia don for short.

If He did have it, towards whom?

@jeromevadackel8146

2 ай бұрын

I think it's as much connected to his spirit even as West emphasises here his physicality predominantly. His spirit would have guided him in using the gift of attraction prudently and usefully for his mission. If you are serious.

@fedorindoukaev3361

2 ай бұрын

@@jeromevadackel8146 I am serious, I still don't get it, it's too vague for me. The sexual desire is usually directed at someone, and the only person in the world that it can be directed at without sin is your lawful spouse, otherwise it's lust. I guess one can also have sexual desire which is not directed at anyone in particular, I guess it can be described as "being horny", which is also sinful. Jesus didn't have a wife and he never sinned, so I don't see in what way he could have sexual desires.

@jeromevadackel8146

2 ай бұрын

@@fedorindoukaev3361 I think by sexual desire here is meant that difference a man appreciates in a woman being womanly. The reason why it could be vague can be a cultural problem, as to confuse the differences that exist between a man and a woman can lead to a tyrannical distortion of the "holy" perspective on sex that it's God-given and that He wants our good. To give an example, the Bible says Jesus used the money given by holy women for his mission. While he may have received donations from men, it probably was not to the extent that women funded him. This can be considered a manner in which how being of opposite sexes can lead to a certain dynamic that can be used to the Kingdom's advantage by the Spirit of God. Further, Jesus distinguishes a man's love in Simon the Pharisee and a woman's love in the sinner who washes his feet and kisses them at Simon's house, thereby hinting at the hypocrisy men's love can descend into if uncharitably judgmental of women's sexuality and sexuality in general. I am from India.

@euclidesribeiro8810

2 ай бұрын

Careful there, physical desire, by itself, does not constitute sin. Coveting somebody else married as your wife/husband is the infringement against the 10 Commandments, that is a very specific predisposition of the mind/will, and that is very close to greed/envy. Now, in the New Testament, the principle Jesus extrapolates from that is that a married man desirering a woman in his heart, as he should his wife, is adultery commited in the mind. That is also very specific, and not just physical attraction and so on. We should not extrapolate sins by analogy, that often leads to sin itself (for example, self righteousness). These analogical ways of thinking are risky

@hc192

2 ай бұрын

John the Apostle

I think Jesus's body functionated just perfectly. However He is God, I have trouble in thinking He would have "desires" of any sort, I mean... I always thought this was a non issue for him. God's mind certainly have more important things to think about, don't you think? "Jesus is equal in everything to us except in sin". And where does sin start if not in our minds? First we have to think about sin to commit an act of sin. Hence , Jesus not thinking about sin because His Divine Mind wouldn't have sinfull thoughts or desires... Imo

@enammemberseptember7366

Ай бұрын

Then, He wasn't God in human form

But what need would Jesus have for sexual desire if he himself remains cellibate? Or does he just experience it through us? Sorry, I might not have understood the video too well 😵‍💫.

@milagroscapomasi8525

2 ай бұрын

People that are called to celibacy also have sexual desire. Sexual desire is something that is intrinsic to humans, since we are male or female. It is a good thing, it is like an energy, and impulse that let's aprettiate each other's beauty, and it moves us towards love.

@HimekoIzayoi

2 ай бұрын

@@milagroscapomasi8525 I know, but unmarried people cannot act out on that desire, if they do they sin. So, what should be done with a desire that is good, but bad when acted upon? Should it just be repressed?

@giovannimartini6405

2 ай бұрын

​@@HimekoIzayoiYou're not repressing it if you accept it in peace and find a way to channel that energy into productive non sexual activities.

@abbeymensler7274

2 ай бұрын

@milagroscapomasi8525 except christ was true God true man, free from original sin. Just because he experienced what we feel does not mean he felt tempted that way. Jesus could never have a sexual desire because he was free from the stain of original sin which gave people the need for sexual desire or erros love. Sexual desire falls under Eros love and christ could only attain agape where there is no one's self desire; He never thought of himself. This is not accurate at all

Jesus Christ of Nazareth...

What’s the difference between temptation and lustful desire? Jesus was tempted but temptation isn’t sinful but lustful desire is not temptation but is sin?

@giovannimartini6405

2 ай бұрын

You don't sin when you find a person attractive, when you find sexual thoughts in your mind or when you feel horny. Lustful desire would be feeding these thoughts, looking at a woman/man to recreate on them, making the phantasies grow, etc. You can have erections as well as sexual urges and thoughts and manage them in a holy way. Jesus did that so that doesn't make Him a sinner.

@JeanV1986

2 ай бұрын

Entertaining a desire is a sin. Having a though going through your mind isn't.

@roshinvarghese6879

Ай бұрын

@@JeanV1986 good point

Probably the only reason god came down as a man. Wanted some action.

He's God and He hadn't the Original Sin...so He didn't prove sexual desire...as the Immaculate Virgin Mary

Yes he was tempted to lust, but he did not. My question is what would it be like to have a pure sexual desire for the beauty of the person of the women he encountered? He must have felt strong erotic love for these women, but resisted perfectly the urge to sin even in His mind. It makes sense when He says that He has prepared a room for each of us to consummate our mystical marriage with Him in heaven. There the erotic love is at least spiritualized and universalized. I wonder then did He also experience erotic love toward the men in His life? Obviously it would be disordered for man to do so, but not for God surely (Song of Songs)? But since He is both God and Man fully, then perhaps the erotic love for the men in His life was of the Godly spiritual kind and the erotic love for women was both spiritual and physical? Just thinking out loud. Has anyone seriously studied this or is it too taboo?

@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute

Ай бұрын

Hello! Christopher has a book where he goes deep into the Song of Songs. It might provide more insight into your question. You can find it here: shop.corproject.com/products/heaven-s-song-sexual-love-as-it-was-meant-to-be

You can not have sexual desire with out having lustful thoughts... That's what sexual desire is... The fantasy or thought of having sex with another person... So if Jesus had sexual desire.. He also had lustful thoughts... Which means he committed the sin of adultery in his heart.... If Jesus did not have sexual desire.. Then he was not like most men and did not go through what most men go through... Jesus never even married.. He said it was good not to marry, but to be celibate like him... He also said it was good not to touch a woman.... But in all truth, Jesus should have married to give an example of how a man should be with a wife... God created Jesus with no sexual desire which to me does not count... That's cheating in my eyes... And not fair for us to be judged for if he creates us with sexual desire, but not Jesus.... If you created someone to be sinless... No wonder he was sinless....

@neortik7

2 ай бұрын

it was good not to marry, but to be celibate like him Paul said that not Jesus

@neortik7

2 ай бұрын

take care your last words its blashemy for me Also if for you sexual desire come with Lust then Lust is okay in marriage what kind of logic is that ?

@giovannimartini6405

2 ай бұрын

Adultery in your heart means indulging in sexual phantasies. That's not the same as feeling horny or feeling sexual attraction. Jesus "has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he did not sin" (Hb 4,15). Jesus felt sexual urges. You can do that and no sin.

@jackhammer4387

2 ай бұрын

@@neortik7 WRONG... Jesus said in ( I CORINTHIANS 7:8 NIV ) ~ Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do..... The verse you are talking about is not Paul it is ( Matthew 19:10 ) ~ His disciples said to Him, “If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry.... They were asking Jesus a question, not telling an answer.... Pay attention to what you read....

@jackhammer4387

2 ай бұрын

@@neortik7= Personally i could care less what you think is blasphemy... And the meaning of sexual desire is ( Sexual desire is an emotion and motivational state characterized by an interest in sexual activities, or by a drive to seek out or to engage in sexual activities ) ~ So if Jesus would have had sexual desire that is what he would have felt... And if he did feel sexual desire... He would have lusted in the heart... And i think its perfectly okay to lust after your wife... If you do not lust for you wife or have sexual desire for your wife... Then why marry her.. The main reason to marry is to have sex legally... Everything else you can do out side of marriage....

Sex is from god . All sex is good in the confines of marriage. He made it it is good .

A big NO. Jesus was Divine and I don't think he has those desires. He is God and that couldn't happen

Is this a joke??????

"I know you aint a drug but you get me so high" - Doja Cat

I fully understand this mind but what is not known from this mind is what sin is, sin is breaking the law, specifically God's Law, Jesus was fully human with humans desires, it's taught that Jesus was tempted in every way man was only never sinned, the whole point of Jesus becoming human was to have a understanding of why man sinned, the flesh being the cause or the desires of the flesh, here's the problem with everyone's thinking, Jesus never sinned and no doubt He never did sin but He was tempted, right?, where does the temptation come from, people want to say the devil and in one sense you could say that was right however if there was no flesh, there would be no desire, now not all desires are evil concerning the flesh, right?, so which one's do we say is evil, sexual desire, can't be because God created it, right?, the only thing or power the devil has is in telling a lie, he lied to Eve about the tree of knowledge of good and evil, Eve was deceived, Adam was not deceived, Adam knew what God told him, Adam told Eve, Eve didn't doubt God, Eve doubted Adam, Eve was guilty of iniquity, being deceived, Adam was guilty of sin, going against God's command to him, SO, why did Adam sin? the woman, he blamed the woman, in this is where you'll find out why Jesus became a man, His question that's not recorded, HOW the HECK did she make you sin!!!! I NEED to KNOW, He did NOT KNOW because He had no flesh and you cannot know anything you haven't experienced, you can only believe someone that has that told you so, period. Now this is really going to upset some of you but you need to know this for your own good, a man that's never had sex either with a woman or through self love ( I hate that other word ) it's entirely impossible for him to KNOW what it is that the man really loves, everyone thinks it's the woman but that's not entirely the truth, what the man really loves is the orgasm and the one that gives it to him, could be his hand or it could be a woman, God forbid if it was something else like the same sex or an animal, here's what's going to mess up many minds, sin and what it is and what it's not according to the law, the " forbidden" sexual sins, I will list most of them but will use a word they used to describe them to keep from having to list them ALL, Adultery, incest, rape, sex with an animal, man on man sex and obviously woman on woman sex although not specified in the law but equal to man on man sex, no chance of procreation which so many believed was the reason God made her female and him male, that's true but not the whole truth, He also made her for a helpmeet, now notice I didn't say whoredom, the reason why is whoredom is covered by the prophets, Moses didn't condemn whoredom, the prophets did and for good reason's, remember these two things which Jesus never did and Jesus agreed with the prophets so their included ( the whoredom ) so many were committing, I got to make this short or it won't get posted, Jesus never sinned according to the law or the prophets, right?, that doesn't mean He never has the thought, it only means He never acted on it, NO ONE is going to be judged by their thoughts, the thoughts are only where the sin originates from, Now to what will really blow your mind, a single man and a single woman that's NOT a child still living under their fathers rule nor married were forbidden from having sexual relations with each other, IN THE LAW, Lev. 15:16-24 explains this and tells each other what to do to be clean after an emission, either the man during self love or the man lying with a woman and the emission gets on either of them, WASH in water and be unclean until evening, it's a cleanliness law that's no different from any other cleanliness law that pertains to any discharge's from the human body and what to do about it, that's ALL and most people already with any common sense know to do this, wipe, wash, blow your nose, etc. it's to keep germs and bacteria from multiplying and spreading and coming into contact with the innocent person, whoredom is NOT prostitution, whoredom is having MORE than ONE lover and it's directly specifically towards the unmarried, the unmarried know it as cheating, they can't call the cheater an adulterer because that's related to the married, fornication is only a word used to describe unlawful sex acts without having to list them all and it was NOT unlawful for the single man and single woman to have sex, neither in the law nor in the prophets, people adding to God's word have created this law which God said don't do that, whoredom is NOT forbidden in man's law, it's only forbidden in the prophets, prostitution is forbidden in man's law although not in every state but should be, there's NO LAW to protect a man or a woman NOT married that will stop the spreading of some diseases, STD'S, God's judgement is on it, it would be impossible to enforce because there's so many cheaters, what do you do, put them all in jail? that's not the point, the point is there's NO JUDGEMENT on the faithful, only the unfaithful and if you don't know the person your sleeping with or married to them ( although not all ) you put your life at risk, there's never in the course of history of any countries law at any time in history where single adults are forbidden sexual relations, Jewish Law included, getting too long here, short version, Jesus could have had a " woman" only not married and would NOT have been sinning, I suspect He did for the very reason of KNOWING why man sinned, I also suspect Mary Mag was probably the woman but that's assumption, those given to customs and traditions will be clueless along with those trusting KJ translators that didn't have a clue concerning many words written in ancient Greek, just some food for thought

Of course not Get a Christian Orthodox theology

@endthelogin

2 ай бұрын

Fr this is such a trashy topic

Christopher, this video is misleading, and you should really take it down. The "assumption doctrine" of Gregory the Theologian and its application does not lend itself to a pithy response in a comment section. Was Christ fully human? Yes. Did his Incarnation and Passion heal our desires? Yes. Just because we fallen human beings have sexual desires does not mean that Jesus did. Sexual desire is a passion. Did Christ have the passions? Yes, but in a way different from us, because the passions as we know them are affected by sin. The presentation here misses the distinction between Christ's full assumption of the human nature and the manner of Christ's existence in our human nature. Our experience of the passions is irrational and involuntary, whereas Christ's experience of the passions was rational and voluntary. So he never would have been drawn to a woman for erotic love, nor would he have voluntarily elected something not based in reason during his sojourn in the flesh. A good way to illustrate this is the Fathers' approach to the question of Christ's fear. Christ experienced timidity in the Garden of Gethsemane, but not in the way that we fear something. His fear was completely voluntary. This is the teaching of the Fathers: Athanasius, Cyril of Alexandria, and Maximus. In Christ, ALL the passions are subordinated to reason. He would not have willed to have sexual attraction in our manner, even in the manner of Adam for Eve before the fall. He would have had no reason to have such a desire. His desire was for the salvation of our souls and the growth of the Church.

@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute

Ай бұрын

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@KevinClarkes

Ай бұрын

@@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute Thanks for the response. Indeed, it is challenging to address Christological issues with precision in a brief video, but it is important to do so. If he searches the Fathers and doctors, especially St. Thomas, he will see that his claims of Christ's necessarily experiencing "sexual desires" do not align with how the Church has understood Christ's assumption of human nature or his experience of the passions. I see no need to submit a follow-up question as the above fraternal correction should suffice to identify the difficulty. Thank you for relaying to him my comment, which I offer in charity.

No jesus did not have sexual desires. He married the church. God did not intend sex before the fall of original sin. Therefore its not called a sexual desire. Please choose your wording carefully. This is borderline heretical

@euclidesribeiro8810

2 ай бұрын

That is not actually biblically true, God separates "the Human" (Adam in Genesis I) into male and female prior to the fall, and the curses in Genesis III, and He also commands Adam and Eve to cleave to each other and become one flesh also before the fall. Last, but not least, birth (which implies sex) is also pre Fall, the curses of Genesis III modify birth to be a painful struggle, but that is it, it is not created per se after the fall. See Genesis 1:28, and Genesis 2:24

@giovannimartini6405

2 ай бұрын

Jesus "has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he did not sin" (Hb 4,15). Sexual temptation is not a dishonor.

@abbeymensler7274

2 ай бұрын

@euclidesribeiro8810 this is not biblically accurate, it does not state or imply that Adam and eve were having sex before the fall. Cleve does not literally mean have sex it means be joined as one which saint Paul elaborates and explaines you have to become one in mind heart and soul under the same mission of christ both subordinate to Christ's mission in their different gender roles. It's very ironic you're back argument to me is a statement that is not biblically accurate just your interpretation

@euclidesribeiro8810

2 ай бұрын

Let's suppose you are right in that Genesis I-III does not explicitly show sex existing pre-fall (which I disagree with, I think the text is quite clear), you have made a very strong claim that there isn't sex pre-fall,you made that claim categorically, and the thing is, there is nothing in the text to suggest that (quite the contrary), so I will state the mantra: absence of proof is not proof of absence. Now, I am curious as to how you explain, from your position, the command given to Adam and Eve, after they have been made male female (what for, if there is no sex? Is God making entirely useless biological sub systems for no reason?) that they should "be fruitful and multiply", how? Were Adam and Eve supposed to multiply by mitosis? Lay eggs, maybe?

@abbeymensler7274

2 ай бұрын

@euclidesribeiro8810 the same way mary conceived by the holy spirit... plain and simple for you. Mary did NOT have sex and she was free from original sin as well. The holy spirit came upon her. Pre fall that is how God intended children to be conceived, would they need a womb for that without having sex with a birth canal to birth the child like baby Jesus? Mary both mother and ever virgin. It's a very weird flex that you would like to think Jesus had a sexual temptation. Not biblically based at all

Is oral sex a sin for married couples?

@GodSoLoved.Yeshua

2 ай бұрын

Maybe Christopher will chime in. It's a personal conviction for me not to participate in those acts. Oral or a*al it's not natural it's imitation of the culture around me that says it's normal. The Bible says not to imitate the nations around us. So again, now deeper in my walk with Christ, it's a no for me.

@markcobuzzi826

2 ай бұрын

From what I looked up and heard, pretty much any kind of act/foreplay is allowed, as long as the husband’s “haploids” are delivered to their intended destination upon him “finishing”. With that in mind, I heard it generally suggested that the husband can perform that on his wife all the way up to completion, anytime before or after he delivers his “haploids”. However, the wife can only perform it on her husband partially and not all the way to completion, lest the couple have a much more difficult and awkward time getting the “package” to its proper destination.

@deprecated8036

2 ай бұрын

What kind of question is this? Are you serious asking this question? What answer do you expect to such simple question? How about I answer your question with a question, is sex allowed in marriage? If you answered yes, you answered your own question.

@maten146

2 ай бұрын

Only sodomy is prohibited, otherwise, as part of a preliminary (and not as a main act) basically anything that serve the purpose of Sex that respect the dignity of the other person and that is looking to unite both of them without preventing procreation is permitted.

@hc192

2 ай бұрын

@@GodSoLoved.Yeshua An*l is allowed but only if the man is receiving

I want to go to back to the dark ages. What in the - What kind of stupid 🫏 question is that?

@abbeymensler7274

2 ай бұрын

I literally asked the same question... this is high key blasphemy

@petrichor5294

2 ай бұрын

You’re going to Hell. Bye.

@neortik7

2 ай бұрын

yeah there is questions to no anwser there is better questions to answer