Thank you for this video WoA. You really did a great job of overviewing the work done in the region over the last 3-4 decades. Very succinct and easy to understand! I did my PhD on ground/polished stone artefacts from the Late Epipaleolithic and early Neolithic of the Southern Levant. I actually worked on material from the site Shubayqa 1 in Eastern Jordan that you show a picture of at 08:43-09:00! Great to see our site referenced. It appears that people like Hancock and Co. have a really hard time understanding stone tool technology and prehistoric stone masonry and artistry. It is almost as if they forget that stone (in addition to wood, bone, shell, fibres etc.) was the main material(s) people had to work with. Humans and our ancestors have been shaping stone (with other stones) for more than 2 million years. People didn’t much else to do and got really good at it! Can’t blame them entirely, because unfortunately research of past stone technologies (especially within Paleolithic archaeology) has been heavily focused on flaked stone tools, like flint/chert knives, arrowheads etc. Until the 1990s very little attention was given to the study of prehistoric ground/abraded/polished stone tools. This has changed though! And we now know a lot more about how people shaped and used “ground” stone tools like mortars and querns of coarser igneous and sedimentary rock. Another reason we know less about the process of shaping these rock types is also that the process leaves a lot less traces than other methods of shaping (rock). In flaked/chipped stone technology, people flaked pieces of stone like flint/chert and this usually left lots of flint flakes behind on the ground (for us archaeologists to find) and allows specialists to reconstruct the process from the intermediate steps, i.e. the different flakes left behind. This doesn’t happen as much when shaping “coarser” stone types. Here you would also perhaps flake a basalt boulder into a more manageable size or a preform, but from there your main mode of shaping was abrasion, i.e. shaping by rubbing a stone against another (sometimes with water and sand), and pecking, i.e rapid/short percussion/impaction with another stone. These processes should and would rarely result in flakes but rather the byproduct is small/tiny stone fragments and stone dust released from the boulder you were shaping. This dust and these tiny fragments are almost impossible to find during an archaeological excavation, meaning that all the intermediate steps in the production process are lost. Only preforms or accidentally broken pieces are left behind, and again unlike flaked stone tools, mistakes are easier to correct/remove (by pecking/abrading) so fewer mistakes are also found. Anyways, I just wanted to say thank you for sharing this research and letting people know that people of the past were really good at using and shaping all kinds of stone (and other materials as well!).

@craigmorris559

8 ай бұрын

Have you been to Egypt?

@PatRKHC1892

8 ай бұрын

@@craigmorris559 No, or rather I have visited the Sinai, but only on holiday. As an archaeologist/researcher I've mainly worked in Jordan and Iran, primarily on late Epipaleolithic, Natufian and early Neolithic (PPNA) sites.

@klada000

8 ай бұрын

@@PatRKHC1892 can u still tell us smt bout pyramids?

@ivan1u2be

7 ай бұрын

these guys should be invited to Joe Rogan exp

@Bingobanana4789

7 ай бұрын

Shame on you for congratulating him for his lies and misrepresentation of the dating of those sites.

"I don't believe (A) because there is not enough evidence, I must therefore believe (B) of which there is no evidence." Yeah, that makes sense.

@jamesfetherston1190

5 ай бұрын

It is infuriating that no one is calling him out on that.

@paulconnelly640

3 ай бұрын

Yeah but I can write books about B and even get a Netflix series.

@Putnamsmif

3 ай бұрын

Yeah that's Hancock in a sentence...

@user-eh9op4mq4s

2 ай бұрын

@@Putnamsmif Granite Hardrock* 😂

@Dillonmac96

Ай бұрын

Nobody is believing shit… ur taking out of context. It’s about asking questions having an open mind and actually looking everywhere not acting like we just know everything… this is just another KZreadr piggybacking what people want to hear on their side.

I used to be one of these people who thought that the most ancient civilizations had "high technology" because a lot of the megalithic stonework was "impossible", but thanks to your channel I'm actually educated now. The only lost technologies are patience and ingenuity!

@user-un8tv1pp8m

8 ай бұрын

What helped me was the russian experimental archeologist gang "scientists against myth". Wanna see a beautiful young woman grind a stone vase, using only wood, sand and sand stone? They did it. Boring holes? - they show you three dudes drinking beer and lazily cut one into granite with a swinging drill the take turns at, "Cutting stone cant be done with copper? They did that. Then showed the method also works with hard wood and fresh bone as cutting edges. I tended to believe the "ancient civilization" trope for decades, it was popular in my family. At this point ... if I can be bothered I send them links.

@claudiaxander

8 ай бұрын

" patience and ingenuity! " The same skills now needed to hear people talk of lost advanced technology from atlantis without spitting out my coffee! Congratulations for being open to the evidence.

@boatcaptain6288

8 ай бұрын

@@claudiaxander I think one of the reasons people are more willing to embrace those silly theories is because they think our history as we know it is "boring". They want excitement. And they also want to believe they're onto something the rest of us aren't, they're unique, part of a small group of people who know the "truth" and are "fighting for the truth". They want to be the "protagonist" of real life, in a sense.

@DavidRayBurroughs

8 ай бұрын

the GHs are among the number who enjoy the money and fame from these ahistorical popular narratives, and GH is infamous for saying I am saying what these other people say, argue with them, don't pick on me!

@Hakabas01

8 ай бұрын

Might also add "tremendous religious motivation to stack rocks on top of each other" to the list. Oh wait, we haven't fully lost that yet...

It's funny how similar the rhetoric is to evolution denial. "Here's a gap, therefore it *must* be filled with [extraordinary and unsubstantiated thing]." I suppose that and creationism and ancient aliens are really just different flavors of the same thing.

@varyolla435

Ай бұрын

🎯 In a nutshell here is the difference between academic inquiry and pseudoscience: 1 - academics seek to understand based upon all the evidence we see. As such what follows represents basing conclusions upon = *KNOWNS.* These are further subject to outside consensus so as to ascribe plausibility or not. 2 - pseudoscience on the other hand does not seek to provide the individuals answers. Their entire focus is essentially to deny academic conclusions and that is justified by pointing to incredulity-based argumentation premised upon _"what if......"_ What follows however is only subject to = personal belief rather than a consensus view. They create supposed "gaps" in academic understanding so as to justify filling those in with their whimsical assumptions. Hence pseudoscience represents attempting to generate supposedly plausible explanations based upon........ = *UNKNOWNS* - at which point Occam's Razor kicks in. Moral: pseudoscience narratives fundamentally reflect stereotypical _"argumentum ad ignorantiam"_ - or "arguing from ignorance". Conversely as you alluded to religions also therefore represent the same paradigm whereby the individual is assuming validity based upon a desire to "believe" with only themselves as the supposed arbiter of that claimed validity. It results in pure, subjective "validation" which is only real for the person contingent upon a desire to assume thusly. They are 2 fleas on the same dog of assumptive logic. Enjoy your day.

@bobobobos2425

24 күн бұрын

@@varyolla435 so how do you explain that tectonic plates used to be pseudoscience? seems a pseudo scientist is just a scientist who is not in the club

@varyolla435

23 күн бұрын

@@bobobobos2425 A supposed "scientist" who does not abide by principles of proper scientific inquiry when forming conclusions they desire to challenge accepted facts = is not a scientist then....... They represent "fringe opinions" who are misrepresenting science - usually for economic purposes as they stereotypically monetize their specious claims. Moral: there is no "club" = but there certainly are "grifters" in the LAHT industry - and it most definitely is an industry.

@dougcard5241

23 күн бұрын

Except the aliens have had 100's of millions of years to get here and the religious thing may only be a few 100k years old. The idea that we aren't alone or that advanced civilizations can figure out how to travel through space is far from extraordinary. Like suggesting humans will never learn to build computers after it took us thousands of years to learn how to stack big stones. Must be since some 'experts' seem to think they know stuff.

@bobobobos2425

23 күн бұрын

@@varyolla435 I believe we are on the same page - we have very very very few scientists 🤔

I've always wondered why the advanced knowledge brought to ancient people is so primitive.

It does get tiring how inept people assume the people of antiquity were. They were just as capable as we are today.

@mikeharrison72

8 ай бұрын

Probably more so in a lot of aspects.

@v.m.a.d.l.e.6972

8 ай бұрын

They were more capable than today, given than they had to figure out and make everything by themselves, unlike the current era where most people are uncapable of doing so many things, just because they know how to use a computer or a smartphone they believe to be superior when everything they use is really made by a long chain of other people who produce materials parts and assembling.

@danielgregg2530

8 ай бұрын

Just look at the Republican Congress in the fall of 2023.

@davidclark573

8 ай бұрын

tHIS SHOW DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT HANCOCKS POSITION IS.

@Vordb666

8 ай бұрын

you're right, he thinks wizards high on salvia and ayahuasca were so spiritually advanced they built ancient high technology and transmitted advanced esoteric knowledge with their minds, man...@@davidclark573

I do find it interesting that Graham Hancock demands evidence of a gradual progression in human development to believe it. Which does actually exist as this vid explains. Yet he has no problem believing in a high tech civilisation of which we can find no trace. Don't expect a reply from him anytime soon David.

@ihatespam2

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, he’s in no way being scientific. He just feeds like a vampire off the ignorance of others.

@-Gorbi-

8 ай бұрын

No trace? The entire series was about traces of a previous civilization. Balbek, Nan Madol, Sacsayhuaman, Yonaguni, Malta, Bimini Road, Derinkuyu, etc

@craigwatson4413

8 ай бұрын

Clueless , you ever heard of the ice age ? Do you realise how much ice was all over the planet ? Do you realise how much that ice would weigh??? Any trace would of been ground to dust under the glaciers .. Look up the London hammer , then come with an opinion pfft

@brittoncooper1251

8 ай бұрын

@@craigwatson4413 Might be worth your time to look at the extent of the Ice Age glaciers and, more importantly, how far those glaciers were from the areas being talked about. Almost all of northern continental Europe was completely free of ice, naturally everything south was well. Maybe your magical advanced society lived in Norway and managed to remove all trace of their existence from everywhere unaffected by the glaciers?

@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095

8 ай бұрын

@@craigwatson4413 *_"Any trace would of been ground to dust under the glaciers "_* But that is not evidence that there was ever anything there. And it's "would _have_ been", not would "of" been. {:o:O:}

hello I am a French sculpture teacher and passionate about archeology... SO BRAVO!!! finally, coherent and structured work on this founding subject of our cultures. YES we must clearly understand this extraordinary mutation and feel this pre-agricultural human journey.

I love conspiracy theories and alternative history debates for the entertainment value. But, also it then promotes videos like this, where by amazing public education videos are made for general betterment of our understanding of our history. Thank you WoA for this awesome video! ❤

@dougcard5241

Ай бұрын

Where do I get the information about 14K years ago and 500K years ago?

Usually when someone- ESPECIALLY someone who’s expertise is not in the field they are speaking of- disagrees with an overwhelming consensus of the scientific community based on a “lack” of evidence, there isn’t actually any lack of evidence, just their OWN lack of KNOWLEDGE of the existing evidence.

@DavidRayBurroughs

8 ай бұрын

the personal lack of facts and then confusion of hypothesis with conclusion simplifies the theory making of those who cannot be troubled with the pesky problem of learning when it interferes with their making money.

@jzakora

8 ай бұрын

Well, keep in mind that, like the video said, those other sites weren't found yet. That episode was like a decade ago. His right to hypothesize was real at the time. Shermer's prediction has turned out accurate though.

@phangkuanhoong7967

8 ай бұрын

Hancock has already made up his mind. it's very profitable to do his grift, and very popular. he's not the only one either. no amount of evidence will change people like them.

@teodorferseta8254

8 ай бұрын

@@jzakora >His right to hypothesize was real at the time. Not really. Any reasonable person in good faith would have assumed that the missing developmental links just weren't found yet. His explanation was a stretch, even for someone unfamiliar with how painstaking archeological discovery actually is.

@joeluna7729

8 ай бұрын

@JulieJaneSmith57, very well stated.

Graham's line of argumentation strikes me as very similar to that of creationists, asking for evidence of transitional forms and then claiming his own ignorance of those transitional forms as evidence that a much wilder claim with even less evidence is somehow the more reasonable explanation

@SaszaDerRoyt

8 ай бұрын

As both an archaeologist and a religious person who believes in a fully scientific explanation for the world, I find this sort of thing very frustrating, since the evidence is so abundant but is often communicated very poorly to the general public, so so much has to be established to help these people understand. Thankfully folks like Dr. Miano are doing great work in communicating this research to address specific misconceptions like this!

@adamthaxton3157

8 ай бұрын

@@SaszaDerRoyt That's because Creationists don't worship a God, they worship a book, and if they can't cram the handprints of the universe INTO that book, they ignore it. It's infuriating.

@bipolarminddroppings

8 ай бұрын

thing is, like most creationist apologists, Hancock knows the evidence exists, he has been shown it multiple times before and then just claims it doesn't exist whenever there's no-one in the room who can present it on the spot. Hancock wouldn't ever agree to be on Rogan if MiniMinuteMan or Dr M were the guests, you know, actual historians, because they would have already looked up his arguments and have evidence ready to go. Instead, he always goes on opposite a physicist or biologist, someone who doesn't have expert knowledge in the field.

@berniemaopolski4870

8 ай бұрын

Drop the mic 🎤. Great work. Thanks for your efforts to counter all the BS being put out.

@lutherandross3165

8 ай бұрын

This is a false equivalence. Graham is distinctly from the school of secularistic deconstructionism of the postmodern ilk. He uses this methodology to enhance his own bias in a field that requires physical evidence, of which, he has none. Creationists, conversely, are just confused religious types who don’t understand that the scientific method is not applicable in matters of faith, God etc. These subjects are not falsifiable or provable. So its pointless to ask a creationist for evidence & it’s pointless for a creationist to attempt to find it. It’s not pointless to ask Graham for evidence. It’s a requirement given the subject matter.

Thank you for taking the considerable time to debunk the uneducated foolishness of Graham Hancock!

@mnomadvfx

Ай бұрын

IMHO it's not a lack of education - it's intentional obfuscation to keep his source of revenue secure. It's the same reason he regularly defames archaeology so that his fans won't go looking for more detailed knowledge that would refute his flimsy claims.

@dougcard5241

Ай бұрын

That is not possible so a lie. On purpose or no knowledge about the issue?

This is one of the most well-reasoned and evidence-filled videos I've seen about the region and the time period involving Gobekli Tepe.

Graham never asks or answers the question “where did the advanced civilization learn their techniques”. Was it a different advanced civilization?

@beepboop204

8 ай бұрын

tis the basic slippery slope argument, kicking the problem up a level doesnt really solve anything because you basically just CHANGED THE SUBJECT

@lee.morris

8 ай бұрын

No he doesnt thats true. That doesnt mean the advanced civilisation learnt it from someone else though. They might have invented it no?

@TookieMacSpookie

8 ай бұрын

Yes he does!!! Basically the foundation of his work over the last 30 yra. 🤷‍♂️

@PlatinumAltaria

8 ай бұрын

It was "jewish alien lizard people" but everyone laughs in his face when he says that, so usually he keeps it quiet.

@sampagano205

8 ай бұрын

​@@lee.morrisif they're capable of invention autonomously, why are the ancient people whose work they're being credited with incapable of it? It seems very weird that ancient non white civilizations needed someone else to make these things for them, but then it's assumed the hypothetical group who are being given credit did not need outside help to invent these things.

The problem with Graham’s theories is that he often uses phrases like “suddenly”, “just pops up” and “out of nowhere”. Which gives a false impression that these advancements are not a result of technological progression. It replaces all that you’ve explained in this video with a more simplistic but dramatic alternative which caters to people’s imagination rather than sense. I’ve followed Grahams work for several years and I really like the fact that he’s made ancient history and prehistory more popular. But it’s come at a cost. The hard work of people like you and other historians and archaeologists have been over shadowed by a more “fun” and “dramatic” alternative. Thank you for your videos, they are very important.

@loke6664

8 ай бұрын

Well, to be fair do you have a point. Graham do make people interested in the past but he also spend a lot of time complaining about experts in the area not knowing what they are talking about and that is a bit dangerous. Presenting theories without any evidence as facts is becoming more and more popular in many different subjects and far too many people are too lazy to bother fact checking things today. Graham is charismatic and a competent writer, I just wish he started to write science fiction books instead, he clearly have a talent for it.

@tomkus333

8 ай бұрын

Díky, přisvojím si z Vaší reflexe nový terminus technicus přesně postihující povahu věci: "dramatická alternativa", nebo lépe "zábavná dramatická alternativa". Přidám z jiných povedených pojmenování "nevzdělaný křižák" a ze sebe "assasin vědy". Dík! Až Vám bude smutno, sledujte prosím kanály Daniken, Childress, Tsoukalos, Sitchin, Sueneé, Blochová...nakonec ´Úžasný svět záhad" Tom 49/44/29//13/22/57 Thanks, I will give you a new Terminus technicus from your reflection exactly affecting the nature of the thing: "dramatic alternative", or a better "entertaining dramatic alternative". I will add from other hilarious names "uneducated Crusader" and from myself "Assasin Science". Thanks! When you feel sad, please watch the channels Daniken, Childress, Tsoukalos, Sitchin, Suene, Bloch ..... Tom 49/44/29//13/22/57

@jeremysmith4620

8 ай бұрын

The sad thing is that history really doesn't need the added hyperbole or intentional falsehoods used by Hancock and his ilk. There aren't a ton of great ancient history communicators where some scientific disciplines, like those relating to space, are blessed with a plethora of amazing public voices. That's one of the reasons I really appreciate Dr. Miano, he has not only the passion for the material, but the ability to speak clearly, effectively, captivatingly, and with a manner that just oozes with live and respect for the material. Dr. Miano is one of the few ancient history voices I feel comfortable calling anywhere approaching Sagan-esque. Like the great Carl Sagan, Dr. Miano also obviously has such passion for the material the has devoted his life to and is able to infect listeners with that same sense of excitement and reverence. Not to be forgotten, because it may be one of the most important aspects of Sagan's work, but Dr. Miano also never comes across as anything, but patient, kind, understanding, humble, and willing to have a conversation with anyone about the material and always approaches it in good faith. These days those are exceedingly rare qualities for anyone to possess one or even two of, but ancient history is lucky to have someone that happens to embody all those qualities. It is voices like his we so desperately need to push back against Hancock and his fellow grifters in the age of anti-intellectualism. I simply can't thank Dr. Miano enough for what he does because he manages to do all the above and also remain extremely fun to watch, perhaps the most important of all these accolades, because if no one wanted to watch his content the other qualities wouldn't matter.

@jackrifleman562

8 ай бұрын

The strange thing is that in GH's world his lost civilization apparently popped up out of nowhere and then disappeared without a trace because of some catastrophe. He doesn't provide any evidence of its development thru time. It is just there one day and gone the next. Its survivors then went on and introduced overnight technological developments elsewhere even though the evidence in those areas indicates gradual technological development. All without the survivors bothering to simply relocate and rebuild their own civilization which they obviously still had the technology to do if they were spreading it all over the place. GH is so full of logical inconsistencies and cherry picking of data that it is amazing that anyone takes him seriously.

@telebubba5527

8 ай бұрын

@@loke6664 He's a nutcase and a fraud. Absolutely nothing charismatic about him. But then you probably think that Tump was a good president also...

There is always going to be a "most advanced" city in the world. Look at a city like Shanghai, or Tokyo, and compare it to an older, more "classic" city like Detroit, or Boston. If civilization fell and in 5000 years humans found Tokyo, and Detroit and realized they came from the same time period, there'd probably be some disagreement as to why there was such a discrepancy in technology. Just a thought I had.

This is the definition of "I can't imagine them doing it, therefore they couldn't have done it"

@rjbennett3418

4 ай бұрын

Tried that in Vegas. I couldn't imagine Kansas City would beat San Francisco in the Superbowl. Still didn't get my money though.

@lincolnyaco5626

Ай бұрын

It speaks to a paucity of imagination.

@pkrmkn31

Ай бұрын

thats not what he says though.you lot are weird

@davidwhite6479

Ай бұрын

It's the same principle used by people who don't believe that humans make crop circles. "People (i.e. me) can't do that so it must be aliens"

@brucetucker4847

Ай бұрын

@@rjbennett3418 Don't you know the game was rigged? It was all a big plot to have T Swift throw the election to Biden. Or so I've been told. And I can't disprove that hypothesis, so I must accept it as true despite the lack of evidence.

These theories rely on 2 things: 1- criticizing any and all evidence to other people's theories 2- distracting you from their lack of evidence for their own theories Notice that they will just spend hours discrediting archeologists for every little tiny detail, but never put into question if a drawing of a bucket in 2 cultures is proof of alien contact

@Scarletpimpanel73

2 ай бұрын

Occam's razor, when faced with a lack of evidence and multiple possibilities, the simplest explanation is more likely. Complex alien civilizations for which there is literally no evidence - is not a simple explanation - therefore more evidence is required.

@docvaliant721

2 ай бұрын

This works for both camps.

@joshuapray

2 ай бұрын

@@docvaliant721 Except it doesn't, as clearly illustrated in the video.

@docvaliant721

2 ай бұрын

@@joshuapray drink your kool aid bud

@joshuapray

2 ай бұрын

@@docvaliant721 Solid rebuttal. I'll try to remember that one. In the meantime, I'd recommend actually watching the video in question before popping off with your inane platitudes.

GH: "we haven't found that intermediary technology". What we definitely didn't find is a super advanced global civilization and it seems that doesn't bother him at all. Incredible.

@telebubba5527

8 ай бұрын

If you would have told people a century ago that we'd be going to the moon, having tele conferences, computers, self driving cars and stuff like that they would have called you crazy and that there was no evidence of such developments. Hancock is a nutcase who is selling a book, a fantasy book.

@tohaason

8 ай бұрын

@MikTuo- Why don't you actually go and look up what's written about this, yourself? There's not a single unexplained phenomenon around at this point. Workable explanations have been theorized and in many cases experimentally proved. Nobody still believes that the pyramids of Egypt weren't built by Egyptians, to take one, the debate is only about exactly which of the several possible methods were used.

@jamesbael6255

8 ай бұрын

​@tohaason the modern Egyptians are not the same as the classic Egyptians, and the classic Egyptians were not the same as the prehistoric Egyptians. The Egyptians, as you, in the 21st century see them, DID NOT BUILD THE PYRAMIDS. There are workers on the plateau who's ancestors have been excavating for well over a thousand years. They are more connected to the pyramids than anyone in modern Egypt and THEY came from somewhere else.

@tohaason

8 ай бұрын

@@jamesbael6255 The Egyptians back then were the Egyptians of that time, how much or how little the population has changed over time - little or much - is of no importance. The point is and was only that the people of the time, with the (well known) tools at the time, built the pyramids, and there is zero need to involve andvanced-disappeared-without-a-trace civilizations of the Graham Hancock type to explan the pyramids. Or anything else in the ancient world.

@CaliKiwi-

7 ай бұрын

It’s simply a fact.

Some people used to argue that computer technology, especially at the chip level, just sort of appeared so suddenly, that it must have been reverse engineered from recovered UFO crashes. Not so much these days.

We didn't just replace hunting and gathering with agriculture, we added agriculture to our skill set and used them both for thousands of years.

"They were smarter than that!" This is my father's typical response to people always arguing from personal incredulity about the dumbfounding advanced abilities of the ancients. People just assumed because they are ancient that they are therefore "primitive".. My father is an archaeologist and doctoral student at Tel Aviv University, by the way.

@TheMuseumGuyIsrael

8 ай бұрын

@@ALook_at_my_picture_ a recognized institution with international credibility on these matters

@TheMuseumGuyIsrael

8 ай бұрын

@@ALook_at_my_picture_ you want a fight. And I don't give a damn. Happy trolling

@TheMuseumGuyIsrael

8 ай бұрын

@@ALook_at_my_picture_ in the very least they demonstrate that the person who made the statement has some credibility since he has rigorous training from TAU. Anyone who knows anything about archaeology knows about this university

@TheMuseumGuyIsrael

8 ай бұрын

@@ALook_at_my_picture_ you're wasting me time. Have a nice day

@NinjaMonkeyPrime

8 ай бұрын

​@@ALook_at_my_picture_You're saying that nothing can ever be proven? I'm pretty sure this video shows that the evidence Hancock claims he wanted does in fact exist. If you're trying to be trollish about it, you can say that you still need to research and verify the evidence presented is accurate, but that's easily done by a professional reporter such as Hancock.

A long-time Graham Hancock fan here. What a brilliant presentation of facts, it completely changed my perspective on the GT site and its implications for contemporary archaeology. Thank you for putting this together. Would love to see you on Joe Rogan someday! Cheers

@anthonyoer4778

8 ай бұрын

He's saying natufian culture led to GT but GT is dated to 10,000 years older...

@MattGrandis

8 ай бұрын

@@anthonyoer4778Who dated Gobekli Tepe to 25,000 years ago?

@anthonyoer4778

8 ай бұрын

@@MattGrandis Klaus Schmidt, who has since died in 2014...

@anthonyoer4778

8 ай бұрын

@MattGrandis Klaus Schmidt dated GT to 22 000 bc. He died in 2014. It has since been redated to 8,000 bc...odd isn't it? In the very jor rogan podcast episode, Hancock uses Schmidts dating hence his theory for a missing civilization. The new dating oddly makes Gobekle tepe younger than Jericho.

@MattGrandis

8 ай бұрын

@@anthonyoer4778Hm, looks like my comment didn't go through, probably because I included links. I can't find any evidence that Schmidt dated the site older than 11,000 years. There's an interview with Smithsonian Magazine from 2008 where Schmidt talks about the site being 11,000 years old, and on the website of University Münster there are still links to his lectures (2013/2014, right before his death) where he, too, said the site is 11,000 years old. If he ever mentioned an earlier date, his research up until his death must have led him to the conclusion that the site was 11,000 years old.

Magnificent video. I'm myself a scientist in a different field (astrophysics) who enjoys learning of ancient history and coming across a video like this to respond in an educated and sound way to unsustained provocative theories from GH was certainly very inspirational. Certainly I liked it and decided to suscribe to this amazing channel.

@boltzmannbrain6607

5 ай бұрын

I am Bill Gates

Funny how Graham says because archeologists have not excavated the entire earth their theories cant be proven but when Graham has a fantasy without digging up the earth it must be true.

I also used to be one who subscribed to this ancient high civilization idea! Turns out I was just uneducated! The more I learn and the more I research into ancient history, it all makes perfect sense! I was truly a perfect example of Dunning Kreuger. Thanks for all you do to educate us on this phenomenal history! The more I learn the more I realize their is no one hiding the truth, their is no one lying to us! This is our history as humans and its amazing to learn about!

@ladeedaa

8 ай бұрын

However I must add, if it wasn't for people like Graham I would have never became so captivated by our ancient ancestors! Soo thank you Graham and all other confused ancient history buffs!

@MrAchile13

8 ай бұрын

It's very smart to correct one's mistakes as new evidence comes into light. The sad part is these fringe youtubers and writers have a cult following of drone like individuals that you cannot reason with, who will ignore literally all data, will go into heavy cognitive dissonance and nothing will change their minds.

@v.m.a.d.l.e.6972

8 ай бұрын

When we are young it is easier to jump into trends that seem revolutionary from our own naive point of view (and oftenly very simplistic which require no learning or studying), good thing that you could go past that phase, many don't.

@winstonsears6293

8 ай бұрын

I find the more I study and search out answers the more questions appear. It has become obvious to me that neither Hancock or the structured archeologist is capable of satisfying. It is enjoyable looking into all the information available and attempting to sort the wheat from the chaff in my own mind. It is nothing more than a futile exercise for any one individual or group to form a collective agreement on the unknown. By all means do have fun guessing and sharing everyone

@MrAchile13

8 ай бұрын

@@winstonsears6293 Although there are plenty uncertainties, there is a huge difference between fringe pseudo-scientists like Hancock and the scientific method. One should not ignore that. Guessing might be fun, but if it's not in accordance with the scientific data, what use is it?

"You know, we gather here every year, we build some temporary thing, then we disperse and do it all again next year. Wouldn't it be better if we just put a bit more effort in and used rocks? After twenty years it pays for itself. We could decorate it up nice and. . " "Dude! For the last time - we are Hunter Gatherers. We look in hedges, dig up grubs and huck rocks at mammoths. That's that"

OFC Hancock knows about all your examples. But he’s not interested in the truth. Hancock is the Andrew Wakefield of archaeology.

@AlbertaGeek

4 ай бұрын

Oooh, nice comparison. Imma steal that.

@itsadoggydogworld8974

2 ай бұрын

You’re a fool for bringing up Wakefield. He was simply attacked by powerful forces for having an unpopular opinion, which happens to scientists who challenge monied orthodoxy thru-out time. After the BS of covid many many scientists are re-examining the true history of vaccines. I believe it’s obvious that sanitation and access to food is what has enhanced our expected life expectancy. Look how old George Washington lived until his doctor practiced blood letting on him , and now since the covid vaccine was introduced life expectancy has dropped considerably even though the average age of death from covid was like 82.

@dougcard5241

17 күн бұрын

He has never lied once, same as Obama

I love how they claim they had "high technology". Yet they only accomplished stacking rocks. Big rocks sure but they still only stacked rocks.

I would like to point out how much quality work is showcased here. Not only all the historical research but adding additional context to the places and discussions while staying respectful and giving sources. Great work Dr. Miano

@WildAlchemicalSpirit

8 ай бұрын

I concur. 👌

@tolotolo2380

8 ай бұрын

Wow historical research like in real science how could I miss it?

@cattymajiv

8 ай бұрын

@@tolotolo2380 WTF are you trying to say?

@tolotolo2380

8 ай бұрын

@@cattymajiv dude I am saying that most historians are full of shit peace brother

@LudwigVaanArthans

8 ай бұрын

​@@tolotolo2380most "historians" are not actual historians, just grifters with a big ego and a very childlike imagination

"Even Chris Dunn won't be found at Gobekli Tepe putting a straight edge up to one of the T-pillars"... bravo sir! A masterful video, as every. thank you for your hard work and research 👍

@Spielkalb-von-Sparta

8 ай бұрын

I had to smile as well hearing this remark.

A bit offensive to say that a prior advanced civilization (or extraterrestials?) had to have intervened, implying that paleolithic hunters and gatherers wouldn't have been intellectually capable of constructing Gobekli Tepe.

@NinjaMonkeyPrime

7 ай бұрын

It's also been noted that Hancock used to also claim the people from Atlantis were white, which quickly makes it racist to suggest all the non white people needed the white man to teach them how to stack rocks.

@user-ix7lg5ws9c

7 ай бұрын

​@@NinjaMonkeyPrimeand that is exactly why your theories are inferior to someone like Hancock's. You can't imagine an alternative idea because suddenly its racist to suggest the random brown people who claim such advances might be mis- interpreting their history.

@NinjaMonkeyPrime

7 ай бұрын

@@user-ix7lg5ws9c Are you sure you even know what Hancock says? Because he's literally on record in saying that the people from Atlantis were white. Then he's tried to backtrack from the obvious racist implications. It's really hard to take Hancock fans seriously when they appear to have no clue what he's actually said.

@woodcuzz69

4 ай бұрын

I think they white too, it makes sense.

@hedgehog3180

4 ай бұрын

@@user-ix7lg5ws9c It is in fact racist to say exactly what you're saying. You whining won't change that and also proves the obvious, that this was never about genuine curiosity but a need to take away the achievements of all non-white people and assign them to white people. Herman Göring would congratulate you.

It’s cute that you treat GH as if he’s making an argument in good faith.

Hancock's theories are called imaginative, but it seems to me like a severe LACK of imagination. Reality may be mundane, but it is far, far more complex and fascinating than a lost civilization.

I'm surprised by this info and didn't know it existed. You gave me a better understanding. It was well presented, thank you.

@Bingobanana4789

7 ай бұрын

Most of what he showed was built after gobekli tepe

@ravon1982

2 ай бұрын

@@Bingobanana4789 which ones?

@Bingobanana4789

2 ай бұрын

@@ravon1982all bar one site which is contemporary. He basically lied through his teeth

why do some think relief carving is somehow super difficult? It is exactly the same as carving something into the stone except you carve away everything outside the line as well. It is just more work, not more difficult.

@varyolla435

3 ай бұрын

Key word = _"think."_ So people who are basing conclusions upon "assumption" rather than understanding often end up as you noted arriving at what are really implausible assumptions. Because they do not understand they are susceptible to similarly poorly sourced claims - which in this case are premised upon incredulity of what academia accepts. Of course academia took the time to understand whereas they = did not - hence the problem. Moral of the story: as you noted the process is the same save for you are removing more material rather than less. Yet from an artistic/aesthetic standpoint relieving carving can be more appealing - and in the case of ancient cultures like say the Egyptians who were always trying to "stand out" compared to their peers then relieving carving also reflects = "greatness". It tells the observer that this Pharaoh had the time and resources to engage their craftsmen in more labor intensive work to create something special.

Few video's warrant a recommendation for "all" to watch... this "is" one. Amazing amount of rich content for others to build upon... a game changing opportunity. Bravo to the author(s) of this video!

The ritual burial and abandonment of sites is incredibly interesting. I wish an advanced civilization had taught them how to write so we could know what they were thinking!

@dreamtowermedia5301

5 ай бұрын

You're assuming that writing is a sign of a superior civilization.

@dendikke3

2 ай бұрын

I wonder how they know it was a "ritual burial" in stead of other asshole humans fucking other human's shit up. We see that stuff all the time trough out history and even in current times. Just come in, ruin other people's day, break their stuff.. Mind you, I'm just a random guy with a shower thought here

There is a difference between "arguing to convince" and "arguing to win". This has been the former. Thank you.

I had a bias going into this video since I like Graham, but your video was well-made, and you helped me keep an open mind during the video. Thanks for the video!

@otherperson

7 ай бұрын

I'd recommend other videos on this channel!

@iamthebroker

6 ай бұрын

Me too. Exactly what I was thinking!

I think if you look at Gobekli tepe, karahan tepe, and Boncuklu tarla show that Graham really underestimates these people's capabilities. Same goes with Egypt. It's sad how much credit Hancock robs the ancient people of.

When someone's wallet is reliant on certain beliefs, those beliefs are unlikely to change.

@loke6664

8 ай бұрын

Not to mention when someone life work and income is based on them.

This is fantastic. You know, society and technology rarely make huge leaps in short periods of time - it's a gradual process that builds on itself, and I think the same is true for the concept of permanent communities, settlements, and cities. So if you grant that, then you would absolutely expect to see examples along the continuum between pure hunter gatherers and, let's say, Ur or Babylon; Alpha and Beta versions of "civilization" so to speak. What you've shown here is a great example of region where humans truly were beta testing the concept of settled civilization and society. It's so fascinating to me. How did they divide the labor and choose who did what? How did they divide resources? What were their languages like? What stories brought them together? Did people get excited about making the trek to a hub like Gobekli Teppe? I can imagine families and tribes from around the region packing up and making the journey, and how truly amazing it must have been to see a place like that bustling with activity for the first time. Anyway, thanks for the very thorough walk through all of this. I'll never understand why people have to make up fantastical interpretations of human history when it's already so awe inspiring.

@telebubba5527

8 ай бұрын

If you would have told people 100 years ago about rockets to the moon (and it not being of cheese), Mars, Out of the solar system, about computers, self driving cars, tele conferences, they would have locked you up. Only in my life alone, I'm now 67, have I seen unimaginable developments occur and I can assure you that I've always been on top of the game. Changes can happen very fast. Just look at the speed smartphones took off. Unthinkable before the year 2000, you'd have a phone the size of a suitcase and extremly unhandy and no internet. The fact that we can communicate just like this and if need be even in real time, just sitting at home....

@ullrich

8 ай бұрын

@@telebubba5527 To be more specific, what I meant is that on the scale of all human existence, much of our progress has been along a slow, gradual curve for both technological and societal improvement/development. If you had traced average human development in these categories from 300,000 years ago to about 500 years ago, it would be a very shallow curve. There might be a few spots where you could point to faster or slower development, I just mean on average. You're right that in the last 200 years, specifically the last 100, that curve has certainly become very steep, but this makes up a very small portion of the timeline relatively speaking. In any case, my point is simply that you would expect to find all of these gradual stages of development between hunter-gatherers and city states, and that it's really cool to have more and more of the space between those two points filled out with growing archeological finds.

@davidwilliams7552

Ай бұрын

Actually, very rapid technological change is normal and well documented. In about 15 years we completely changed from using horses to using cars for transport as one example.

Thank you! One thing I often come across with people is that they do not realise that while prehistoric people are not creating new sites etc...modern archeology/history/research keeps on discovering and interpreting. Honest scientists are ready to adapt their theories to the new knowledge. The others do not budge. I wonder what Hancock will reply, and if he does reply.

@Papalegba22

8 ай бұрын

That's the whole argument Hancock states. It's the mainstream archeologists that won't budge. If anything this video proves Hancock to be right.

@OrangeNash

8 ай бұрын

Yes, it's amazing how much smarter cavemen have got in the past 60 years! Almost as if it was us that was ignorant, not them.

@jugbywellington1134

7 ай бұрын

@@OrangeNash I remember reading an article about the 18th century oboe. The writer argued it was a coarse instrument that was badly out of tune and had a horrible, harsh tone. I could have forgiven the "expert" for his error but, didn't he wonder why there was a mountain of music for this "dreadful" instrument? Off hand, I think the article was dated around the 1950s or 60s. Experiments had been made, but they used modern oboe reeds to do their tests. Given that the bore and pitch have changed a lot over 250 years, it was like putting the wheels from a mini on a horse-drawn coach and wondering why it didn't function correctly. Now we know better, though there is no oboe surviving from that time with its original reeds intact. I can think of other examples too.

@MatthewBowman

7 ай бұрын

@@Papalegba22, how so?

@wout123100

5 ай бұрын

ofcourse he wont reply. i doubt he sees this channel at all. the guy has such a big ego himself.

It's a revelation to realise my own ignorance that a hunter-gatherer society was sometimes sedentary and well equipped with skills other than a hand to mouth lifestyle.

@varyolla435

3 ай бұрын

Yet it was as you say = "a society"...... - and that is the key. Moral: if you have "a community" of individuals then regardless of their technological level you invariably will have some form of hierarchy in place. This allows for = "division of labor". Thus some might gather food whereas others might be engaged in labors centered upon the cultural beliefs of the group - as likely happened here. The fact they did not engage in planned agriculture did not necessarily make them stupid. It probably mean that the local environment was such as to provide sustenance for prolonged periods of time. Think the Native American tribes of the American Plains. They might stay in place for the spring and summer to upon the migration of the Bison follow that and come winter stay in other tribal lands where ample forests provided wood for the winter = yet they did not sow crops - and still they had a highly structured society.

Good example for such carvings (petroglyphs) are the ones found in the Konkan Coast of India. Some of them are even contemporary with Gobekli Tepe! Look for the sites of Kasheli, Pansaimal, Ukshi

Let's explain this with the 3 little pigs. The first pig builds a house of straw, the second builds a house of wood, and the third builds a house of brick. Then we wait 10000 years. The straw has rotted, the wood has rotted, and the bricks are still around. You conclude that brick buildings came out of nowhere, spontaneously! They must've been taught how to build by an alien race! Stoneworking is a very old craft, and woodworking is probably even older. There's no evidence that any of these things appeared suddenly, they only seem sudden from an archaeological perspective because so much of the contemporary work has been lost to time.

The more of your videos I watch the more I am blown away with ancient humans. Such a fascinating subject. I can't be bothered researching this myself but I really appreciate the time and effort you take to make your videos. All presented in such a way that is interesting and engaging. The world has a shortage of great educators like yourself.

@Radzta

3 ай бұрын

“I can’t be bothered” … a real truth seeker 😂😂😂

@andyf1235

3 ай бұрын

@@Radzta I mean I'm realistically not going to go and send a heap of time researching this stuff myself but I enjoy learning about it. Similar to watching a documentary on something of interest but wouldn't send heaps of time to research it myself.

As one of Graham's biggest supporters, I absolutely love this video! It's really refreshing to get a different perspective on the matter, delivered in this nature. Phenominal video! :)

@warrenny

7 ай бұрын

Good for you. it is good to question everything. Which is one of the (few) things I like about Hancock. I like his persistence in questioning the establishment. But he goes into snowflake mode when he doesn't get enough recognition. And he isn't the first person to ask the very same questions he is asking. My conclusion is that he does what he does to sell books/make money. The truth is we all want to make money....and this is his niche. I respect him for his ability to make money from all this. Everyone making youtube channels are all here to do the same thing.

@weisthor0815

7 ай бұрын

@@warrenny of course he wants to bring some bread on his table, but i also think he is doing this not just for the money, but out of sincere passion.

@user-un8tv1pp8m

7 ай бұрын

@@weisthor0815 "some bread to the table"..... Yeah, have a look at his book sales numbers and what a BBC-Docu-hosting pays? The man has grown massively rich for a writer who claims to do non-fiction. We are talking at least double-digit millions. Personally - I know smart and well-eductated professionals like our dear host here in WoA have been explaining to Mr Hanckock for decades why this or that or more of his points are most probably wrong or not supported by anything. Yet he goes on multiplying the stuff - the same stuff he has been schooled on for decades - over and over, while heaping up considerable riches through that storytelling. I´ve stopped considering him an honest actor long ago. Just like Däniken or similar characters, there comes a point where you either have to assume the person is mentally deficient to still repeat stuff they have been corrected on over and over - or accept they are smart liars and grifters, beguiling their audience with made-up stories they know are false. I dont assume Hancock - or Daniken for that - to be stupid.

@warrenny

6 ай бұрын

I do agree. He does have a sincerity about all of it, for sure. And truthfully, I agree with his general premise: that humans had quite stunning levels of civilizations prior to Gobekli. But he trades on Hollywood tropes and short fiction pulp to garner attention.....I mean, hey, there's nothing wrong with doing it his way. I guess I am one of the "slow and steady wins the race" kind of person. So to each his own. I still dislike his constant whining about how archeology won't lavish him with recognition. @@weisthor0815

@Bingobanana4789

6 ай бұрын

It is good to question that’s why miano had to admit on Reddit that he got most of the dating of those sites incorrect. Spoofed they were older than they really are

Thanks for doing this. Fascinating! The Natufians have been an interest of mine for a long while. My personal hypothesis is that the Natufians expanded north with their wild rye food processing and storage technology and met another culture in Anatolia that had massive einkorn wheat resources to which the same food processing technologies could be applied. The chocolate got applied to the peanut butter and this Anatolian culture bloomed. I read a paper a while back that proposed the shift from circular to rectangular architecture was merely a response to population density and the extra corner space provided more living space in an urban environment.

@cattymajiv

8 ай бұрын

I've seen the same in a few places, and it makes complete sense. Without any population pressure there seem to me to be more advantages to the round buildings, but when space and building materials both become more limited, the square or rectangle can become more advantageous. But whether the issue at the time was space or materials was not addressed by what I read. I'm sure it varies by the site.

@andrewblackard3369

8 ай бұрын

@@cattymajiv Thanks. I guess I didn't explain that remark well. On the topic of a record of cultural evolution, I think I have read that there are both circular and rectangular constructions at Golbeki Tepe. One paper on Israeli settlements proposed the earlier structures were imitations of tents, or just force of habit of building that way from before permanent structures.

I hope people appreciate the level of contextual detail you have compiled in this 45 minute video. Excelsior!

@hattershouse710

8 ай бұрын

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@ashzole

8 ай бұрын

oh boy all of a sudden , a guy with no degree a stranger on the internet , you whole hearted believe him, because he said he did research , oh gee the guy in the videos evidence is a dead baby monkey 24:17 lolololol you never graduated did you 26:48 a relief valve relief hole? yet the picture he shows on the right IS NOT A HOLE , where is the relief??!!!? hi huh mr. oh boy this guy did amazing research

@NinjaMonkeyPrime

8 ай бұрын

@@ashzole It's sad that you edited your comment and it still remains incoherent.

@Bingobanana4789

7 ай бұрын

Why would people appreciate someone lying about the dates on ancient sites?

@Eyes_Open

7 ай бұрын

@@Bingobanana4789 Any incorrect dates would be acknowledged by Dr M. Provided of course that you can prove your statement.

The problem I often see (and I say this mainly as a poet) is that these lost civilization proponents see symbolism in culture as a luxury you develop once you achieved what they consider as essential. But we, as humans, often see the symbolic as essential, ancient peoples would not stop for a second and say "wait, before we develop a symbolic view of the world that provides meaning and purpose to our lives, we must first domesticate plants and animals". For example, carving a beast seems to have been an important symbolic preamble to hunting such beast, perhaps because risking your life necessitates a meaning beyond the risk itself. Besides, it just makes sense to assume the simplest asnwer when presented with absence of evidence. It's backwards to say "I have no choice but to assume the improbable (a more advanced lost civilization) unless I am presented with evidence of the probable (gradual development of skills and crafts)". Come on, mate.

@MarcosElMalo2

5 ай бұрын

About that last thing you talked about, the stance that Mr. Ancient Aliens would eagerly accept a completely unsupported and outlandish theory over much less outlandish one. Even if there wasn’t the massive amount of evidence for slow development, the “Lost Civ” speculation is intellectually and creatively lazy. (I’m of the opinion that wild fantasizing is less creative than trying to figure things out from limited facts. The later is called problem solving, the former is jerking off.)

9:32 basalt is generally 6-6.5 on the MOHs scale. so just above medium hard. in comparison a fingernail is 2.5, iron is 4.5, steel is 6.5, granite is 7, diamond is 10. the hardness of rock depends also on its actual composition and porosity, so hardness can vary. and keep in mind that this is scratching resistance, not toughness. you can smash a diamond with a iron hammer.

Keep up the awesome job, Dr Miano 👏

One problem with the Hancock crew's arguments that sometimes doesn't get enough attention is their fixation with stone. They seem to view stone buildings and monuments as some inherently advanced feature of a given civilisation, apparently because the durability of stone means that the most visually impressive ancient ruins that survive today tend to be stone ones. Hancock and co seem to think of stone buildings like a tier up from wood on a video game tech tree, but in reality whether or not a given culture chose to use stone as a building material seems to have been down to a whole host of factors, few of them directly related to their level of technological development. Most important seems to be the relative availability of stone and other building materials, with the practical purposes of particular buildings and cultural preferences also playing a role. Although it's durable, stone is quite hard to work, and so many peoples will prefer to generally work with other materials, even if they have the technical ability to work it. Medieval Europe clearly had the ability to work stone because they built castles and cathedrals out of it, but the vast majority of buildings were made of wood, thatch, daub and later brick, because those were just more practical and more affordable building materials for most purposes. These practical and economic considerations will apply across whole cultures- if a culture doesn't have a compelling reason to build stuff out of stone, it may just not do so, or do so very seldom- it's not a comment on their technological abilities. With some ancient stone structures it seems likely that stone was chosen as a building material because of a local shortage of mature trees for building wooden ones- e.g. whilst Neolithic settlements in mainland Scotland seem mostly to have been wooden, those in the Orkney Isles used stone as there weren't any forests and wood would have had to have been brought in from a long way away, but stone was locally available. The Mesopotamian city of Ur was mostly built from mud bricks, because it was on a flood plain, and there was comparatively little wood or stone locally available, but cities in other parts of Mesopotamia used much more stone, as they had better access to it. None of this has anything to do with the technical abilities of the people who built them- they just made practical, economic and aesthetic calls about what construction materials to use based on what was available, as all people have throughout history.

@jlewand

8 ай бұрын

I've not seen this misguided of a summary in a while. Ayyyyyyy......... It has nothing to do with durability of stone. The issue isn't who did stone or did trees or the reasons chosen for such. It's the precision and execution as well as all kinds of misc details (knobs, face dressing, tool marks < .1 on some sculptures) that have not been remotely answered as of today. Yeah, understanding that local materials influence choice of material is sooooooo hard to understand. And it's also sooooo hard to understand economics impact decisions as well. Low hanging fruit is chosen by many for a reason. No, I won't tell you why.

@RenaissanceMan29

8 ай бұрын

Hancock was convincing in that he presented his book's stating there was a gap in the literature, to then go on and release a fictional book about this world he created and to his fans, this was his genius, and it really was if you do think his intention was to manipulate people, and he may well be that smart, especially since it would have been one hell of an elaborate lie, making it otherwise unlikely, however, he is essentially a very highly creative person opposed to being logically minded. Those high in oppeness to experience, the personality trait, are creative, but that creativity also overlaps into other parts of their thinking like scholarly issues. He's not thinking logically. He has a sociology degree, so, maybe he realised he wasn't cut out for it, or he used his degree to manipulate people. Either way, he is intelligent, but perhaps in the fictional, creative world rather than the real one. You can apply the same logic to musicians, they tend to be musically creative, though, it overlaps into politics, hence, why they skew to the left.

@ibanborak

8 ай бұрын

u go carve some multi ton stones and move them then dude, 100% harder then cutting some wood gtfoh with your garbage comment. the ppl who carve these megaliths were more advanced then we were, we cant move them today so how did they? the ability to quarry, carve, move and arrange such large stones 100% is a sign of a certain level of advancement.. many ancient ppl choose specific stone they transported for very large distances, which goes agaisnt your argument for just whats close. modern humans dont "just use whats close" if u have the means u can transport the ideal materials from all over the world, the ancients did this too. we the supposedly most advanced ppl ever cant build these stone structuces... carve move these giant blocks... so yes the use of such stone is 100% a sign of intelligence, u trying to say it isnt your either being disingenuous or your just an idiot

@LittleNala

8 ай бұрын

It is a good point - all Japan's historical buildings were made with wooden frames and paper walls, because a stone building would kill people when it fell over due to the earthquakes prevalent in the region. Obs a lot were destroyed in WW2, but they re-built them to the original pattern. And they re-built them of wood. I don't know if other earthquake zones had cultures that knew about the quakes, and chose their building materials accordingly, but it would be the smart thing to do. It didn't seem to worry the Romans though, and Italy has earthquakes.

@ibanborak

8 ай бұрын

the ancients did understand about earthquakes and built accordingly out of stone.... research "keystones" many ancient cultures worldwide used this technique, slightly different shaped "keys" found around the world but the same structural idea. this is why some of these ancient stone building have survived 100s-1000s of years despite being in quake ridden areas @@LittleNala

Love this explanation & elaboration of the gradual growth & development things ! Thank you for the lecture Mr. Miano 👽🙏

Graham Hancock and his ilk really give me "fan of an IP that takes their headcanon theory crafting way to seriously" vibes

@ILikedGooglePlus

8 ай бұрын

SECRET GOOD FOURTH SHERLOCK EPISODE

Wow. Apparently this went up 13 hrs ago, and already it has 29K views. Go you. As for me, I spent the entire video going "Wow!" and "Oh wow!" I think what you have shown is that we have discovered these lost advanced cultures of the past. They might not be aliens, and they might not be Atlantean, but they definitely are far more advanced than even Graham Hancock could imagine.

@cattymajiv

8 ай бұрын

1 day after release it has 61,695 views now.

@tolotolo2380

8 ай бұрын

Do you know how stupid things get millions of views That doesn't tell shit of merit whatsoever

@alexsetterington3142

8 ай бұрын

2 days after release it has 74000 views

@HANKHILLFORTXGOVERNOR

8 ай бұрын

Tbf graham working from the ancients playbook.

Excellent work and I myself am ever so appreciative to have come across this highly informative channel.

One thing of note is that ancient sources if they talked about "technologically advanced" they probably meant it in their own context. For instance, for an ancient greek, parthenon, wheels and chariots might be technologically advanced, they were not talking about microchips and TVs. But when some authors hear of an ancient source talking about technologically advanced they apply their modern concept to it, like TVs, power plants, microchips, etc. That leads to many esoteric theories. Also, Hancock notes ancient disasters but these have happened, such as droughts , younger dryas, sea level rise, ice ages, end of of ice ages, etc. So ancient stories about disasters may be referring to such events.

@Bingobanana4789

7 ай бұрын

One thing to note as well is miano has lied about the dates on those sites in the vid. None of them pre date gobekli tepe

@sampagano205

6 ай бұрын

@@Bingobanana4789 liar.

@hedgehog3180

4 ай бұрын

I mean if you live in a flood plain, as most ancient civilizations did, floods are obviously going to be common so of course they'd feature heavily in your mythology.

@joshuapray

2 ай бұрын

@@Bingobanana4789 Oh? Please do share your evidence.

@joshuapray

2 ай бұрын

What you say here makes good sense. I will add, though, that I have read and taught classical literature for several years and, this may surprise you, never once have I seen any reference by an ancient Greek author to 'advanced technology' of any kind. It's just not a thing. _If_ it were a thing, I would agree with you about its likely meaning. Woo peddlers like Graham Hancock try to pretend like any magical or fantastical elements are actually advanced technology in disguise; they don't point to ancient references to technology.

One piece of evidence id like to put into the record against graham hancocks proposed ancient history is the history channels "Life After People" , both the tv movie and the series. Which in my opinion shows pretty clearly that we would have more evidence of this lost advanced civilization.

@caodesignworks2407

8 ай бұрын

Ah, see, that's where you're wrong. They have a way out of that reality. Often I've heard the claim that, at least for "Atlantis" their culture was so advanced that they produced no waste and everything was made out of some kind of bio degradable material and the like. I'm not sure if that's Hancock's opinion or not, but that's the kind of weird logic that pops up often in the "ancient advanced civilization" crowd

@sampagano205

8 ай бұрын

@@caodesignworks2407 everything they built was biodegradable except for the very specific things they built that were then claimed by others is a fun unfalsifiable claim.

@caodesignworks2407

8 ай бұрын

@@sampagano205 Exactly!

@GizzyDillespee

8 ай бұрын

It also was "crystal technology" instead of petroleum technology (plastics etc). IDK what crystal technology is supposed to mean, exactly, so don't ask me. No, I've never seen any real artifacts that looked like anything I'd call crystal technology. Though, most artifacts are in private collections... I'd assume something like that would've gotten out by now. So... no evidence for any kind of ancient advanced technology, other than moving and carving large stones, and whatever biodegradable stuff they made. Probably no nuclear reactors or worldwide container ships.

@GizzyDillespee

8 ай бұрын

Probably their carved stones were based on earlier carving of wood and hard animal products. So, designs "suddenly" appearing in stone doesn't mean that the designs were taught from outside. It could mean itinerant craftsmen, or it could mean the people transferred existing arts to stonework, at that point, based on older local artistic traditions and development in the region. Trade and long movements go back much further than we knew about 100 years ago... not like modern technology though. People had seaworthy vessels, but nothing like diesel container ships, or electric ray guns, or crystal wands that controlled the weather... I mean, there must be some convoluted way to get from that kind of society to the evidence we find today, but it would require incredible successful conspiracies, and not one piece of evidence making it thru to modern consciousness, and 100% of the evidence pointing g to the contrary... just the fact that we found oil close to the surface. Our type of society wouldn't have left that available for the future. But anyway.

So according to Graham, if we’re missing some artifacts from the timeline between cave art and gobekli tepe, the only possible explanation is the existence of a whole civilization, one that we are entirely missing?

@cattymajiv

8 ай бұрын

And aliens too! So f*cking ridiculous ! ! !

@bchristian85

8 ай бұрын

Yep. Just like mudslides in the northern Sahara at the end of the Younger Dryas is "proof" Atlantis existed.

@mattematsson554

8 ай бұрын

Yes, entirely.

@CoercedJab

8 ай бұрын

Well when y’all characterize the argument like that then yes 🤡

@haircutdeluxe

8 ай бұрын

Basically anything that starts with “According the Graham” is a misinterpretation of his views. That’s held remarkably consistent over the last 30 years.

You, Milo and Stefan all need to go on Joe Rogan

I want Joe Rogan to bring Hancock on and have them watch this together and live react 😂

@MarcosElMalo2

5 ай бұрын

I don’t think that would help. Once the brain dies, it’s dead. You can’t grow a new one.

@fireblade2681

5 ай бұрын

somewhere out there Graham Hancock has his fingers in his ears singing: "lalala I can't hear you"

@Sfhakrn

5 ай бұрын

I’d prefer they both just go away lol. It’s unbelievable to me that people look to them for knowledge.

@tcolley

5 ай бұрын

@@Sfhakrnlol the fucking arrogance. Get over yourself

@ratnoodles7835

5 ай бұрын

@@Sfhakrnwhy

Thank you so much for making this video, Dr. Miano: The KZread "DIY Archaeology," community was severely in need of a comprehensive effort to inform the community of work that has been done (in some or even many cases) many decades ago that paints exactly the picture that Graham Hancock (and others) have been claiming for years does not exist: That the move towards megalithic construction (sites) was a gradual one, and most certainly did not, "appear out of nowhere." I know you put a lot of hard work into this video and judging from a brief glance at the comments section, your efforts were well worth the while. I see dozens and dozens of comments reflecting a lot of, "wow, I never knew that," and, "I used to be a proponent of the lost civilization hypothesis, and your videos have slowly assisted me in emerging from ignorance." Great work, Dr. Miano. You really are a gifted educator and an invaluable member of the community.

@cattymajiv

8 ай бұрын

Best comment here Alex! I would love Dr Miano to know how very important he and his work are, and how much it's appreciated by those of us who are very alarmed that so many people actually believe GH's garbage! Thank you for echoing my thoughts!

@alexcarter2542

8 ай бұрын

@@cattymajiv couldn't agree more. And that's exactly what GH's stuff is: Pure friggin garbage. And I feel so bad for all of the people who are pulled into his sensationalist idiocy.

@CoercedJab

8 ай бұрын

Lmfao: “used to be a proponent of the lost civilization hypothesis, and your videos have slowly assisted me in emerging from *ignorance*." Not very subtle 😂 What’s wrong with a lost civilization hypothesis anyways? Did we not lose a civilization or two along the way? 🤔

@Natef89

8 ай бұрын

​@@CoercedJab if you're going to be completely objective with yourself you must admit that believing in Graham's lost civilization hypothesis requires ignorance of certain archeological facts. I mean, ignorance is basically the crux of Graham's theories. It's all "lost knowledge." What is loss of knowledge if not ignorance?

@hedgehog3180

4 ай бұрын

@@CoercedJab You sound like we dropped civilizations out of a bag while catching the bus or something.

Looks like i should dump all my Hancock books.

Isn't the artifact on the left at 10:48 a completely different level of engineering than all the others shown from that era?. It looks incredibly symmetrical, and the top is super well-polished. Does someone know more info about that item?

@michaelglynn9329

5 ай бұрын

It’s a stone mortar from the site of Eynan, at the Israel museum. Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be much more information, but there are some other pictures online. It does seem to be a particularly high quality piece

Dear sir! I only - so sorry - found your channel only yesterday. Watched the video about sacsayhuan. "If you would only be more direct" and showed sonewhat more tenaciousness" , I thought. And today I saw your reply to Graham Hancock about Gobleki Tepe!: What a joy and strength! Your road could not have been easy. But your self-esteem has won! Thank you so very much! It will be a long fight against the Hancock's ànd their younger successors. So proud of you that you dare to take this on. 🙏

@WorldofAntiquity

6 ай бұрын

Thank you!

The work of this video would be valuable enough if it was a mere debunking of the sensationalism of Hancock, but it tells a more compelling story about what we would think of as precursors to agriculture. Like just think of all the technologies and organization that had to be in place for people to think it was a good idea to start farming. It almost seems obvious now that you would need calendars, dedicated food storage, permanent housing, organized gathering which would eventually lead to organized planting and harvesting

Do you remember when the Pyramids or Ancient Egypt "appeared out of nowhere?" Ya, Hancock has to keep the schtick up. If he lets it go, the bank coffers will empty too fast. He won't be able to keep his Ayahuasca addiction going or, any other new addition.

And why are certain comments being purposefully blocked? Is it because these comments completely debunk this presentation?

@WorldofAntiquity

8 ай бұрын

No comments are being purposely blocked. Sometimes KZread holds comments that are flagged as spam or obscene language. Sometimes comments go through but are not seen by the poster right away. Sometimes comments don't go through. But that's it. Take a look around. You will see many naysayers.

@NinjaMonkeyPrime

8 ай бұрын

Did you think that your comment about CNC machine cuts was blocked because it was irrelevant?

Thank you for this excellent video. What I find even more interesting is the vast timespan between G Tepe and the well known civilisations that only arose 1000’s of years thereafter in the same general area. What happened during those ages? Can you please make a video with more details about this? Or please suggest some sources?

@Bingobanana4789

7 ай бұрын

The video isn’t excellent most of it is blatant lies about the dating. Nothing he shows in that video is dated after gobekli tepe

@hedgehog3180

4 ай бұрын

The channel “The Historians Craft” and “History Time” have made videos like that and I think Miniminuteman also discusses it in his video. TL;DR: Göbekli Tepe and other sites like it likely served as seasonal gathering from which technologies like agriculture would have spread from so you're right to suspect that there is a connection.

Think of the complexity of negotiating trade and communicating what you had to offer and what you required in return as part of that trade. Cultures mingling and being influenced by trade and availability of materials and connections to other areas geographically. Incredible video. Setting a marker for Hancock

@CoercedJab

8 ай бұрын

What does setting a marker for Hancock mean?

But Graham is just asking questions... And then completely ignoring the answers because they don't fit the narrative of his next pseudo-science fiction book.

@craigwatson4413

8 ай бұрын

Rubbish

Looking at all of these fantastic ruins, I can’t help, but think of Minorca and sites like Torre d'en Galmés. Some things that stuck out (haha) for me there were how there was absolutely no art carved anywhere, and the roundness of the building style. And of course, the numerous massive pillars. Even some polygonal big blocks. But so much more recent than Gobleki. 🤔 I know nothing, John Snow. And thanks MUCH for shedding such light on those potbelly hills.

Even without that “intermediary information”… it seems more plausible that there would be a gradual increase of skill from the cave paintings to gobekli tepi, than to assume they stagnated for tens of thousands of years. It’s more in line with how humanity has grown and evolved culturally, isn’t it? While that is by no means conclusive, he seems to be looking for gaps in knowledge so he can fit in a pre-conceived narrative or story that he’s emotionally attached to…rather than genuinely just seeking truth and knowledge. It gets more complicated or even dubious when the gap he invokes is not there.

@NinjaMonkeyPrime

7 ай бұрын

I'd say it's more accurate to say that he's ignoring evidence to create gaps that don't exist.

Graham Hancock's lifelong use of Psychedelic Drugs has molded his brain to expect fantastic findings that'll prove fringe theories. Real archeology is fascinating enough for me.

@gepffmains9333

8 ай бұрын

No that’s just cooked tiger.

Well I believe in an even more ancient advanced civilisation that taught Graham's ancient civilisation all the skills that they know. My evidence is the lack of an intermediate stage.

Be honest, without Gobleki Tepe and the rest o it, what would've have you thought if somebody told you people could've built massive megalithic constructions soon after the Ice Age, 11000 years ago?

@SuperChris1888

Күн бұрын

You can look it up. They called them idiots and grifters. They said it was impossible. Now they say it’s no big deal.

Nice work brother! I’m going to watch this video more times because it has a lot of information, thank you! By the way, the history of humanity definitely needs to be rewritten, as we can see advanced civilizations didn’t start as we are usually taught nowadays.

An excellent presentation. So many times as shown over generations we feel that only those developing towards the modern era knew how to solve social and technical problems. This clearly shows that even the hunter-gatherers were mentally complex and goal directed as we are, just different environments dictating what those needs were.

@Bingobanana4789

7 ай бұрын

The videos full of blatant lies, none of those sites pre date gobekli tepe

@MarcosElMalo2

5 ай бұрын

@@Bingobanana4789 Dude, you’re going by when the sites were discovered, not when they were built.

@Bingobanana4789

5 ай бұрын

@@MarcosElMalo2no I’m not, miano had to admit on Reddit his dating was wrong. Only one of the sites he shows pre-dates gobekli tepe making the video a pile of nonsense

@hedgehog3180

4 ай бұрын

@@Bingobanana4789 Man you really think that lying is a great argument don't you? Like you don't realize that we can just go check the dates ourselves and confirm that they're correct. I guess the idea of researching a topic is so alien to you that you never considered it.

@Bingobanana4789

4 ай бұрын

@@hedgehog3180 look them up for yourself then billy big balls see once you realise I’m correct remove your comment you muppet

Excellent! I'm so happy to see a respectful answer to a question that I think was honest. I am so used to hearing fringe ideas being shut down and silenced without regard or anything but condescension and hatefulness. I really like Graham Hancock because I believe he is genuine, and I really like you Dr. M., because you are fair. I've commented on many of your videos and you always read and respond. You never bashed me for thinking the alternate history hypothesis was plausible. After Ancient Apocalypse came out, I was enthralled with the idea. Graham gets so much hate from scholars, but he won my interest in the subject. It's you, Dr. Miano, that clarified on the facts. You took the time to make a reasonable argument. If scientists shut down fringe ideas without ever respecting the who and why behind them, we'll be hard-pressed to find out something new. Your thoughtfulness and dedication inspires me so much Dr. Thank you for clarifying a magnificent mystery for me. When I win the lotto, we're goin' to Egypt haha.

@PeggyMF2

8 ай бұрын

Exactly! Calling some one stupid does not make a good argument. Dr. Miano makes reasoned arguments and he makes sense.

As regards Graham, once I tried to read a book of his. When read that Rh- comes from Anunaki, I gave it up. In 20-21c. knowledge is interdisciplinary and to write a book one has to have some grasp in all spheres, at least en gros. What about the Rh- of the makaki - does it come from Anunaki or from Kawasaki?

Prejudice about the superiority of the present is very deeply ingrained. The idea that people in the deep past (not to mention many animals) were self-aware, socially complex, and capable of symbolic thought is downplayed dishonestly to privilege the present unproblematically.

Absolutely fantastic! Even setting Hancock aside, it’s a really great piece of science-communication to lay viewers such as myself who are just interested in this paleo-archaeology/pre-history stuff. Great to see the developmental time line all laid out like that. I’ve never seen it set out clearly like that before. Much appreciated!

@telebubba5527

8 ай бұрын

You can throw him in the dustbin. He's a fraud.

@willmosse3684

8 ай бұрын

@@telebubba5527 He presented very strong evidence for his case there. What was fraudulent about it?

@cattymajiv

8 ай бұрын

@@telebubba5527 Hancock or Dr Miano? Be clear in your writing please.

@hpglake3231

8 ай бұрын

So true. This video is a slam dunk. It's a dissertation. This should be published in a professional journal.

@willmosse3684

8 ай бұрын

@@hpglake3231 Yeah. Sadly, as it’s not original research, I don’t think it would make a professional journal. Definitely worthy of publication in a mainstream popular format though! BBC or something!

I find it rather hypocritical for him to ask for so much evidence yet provide none himself of such extraordinary claims. Basically pushing his narrative based on the little information we have on pre history. He picked the easiest part of archeology and history to make millions off since he can speculate all he wants and whenever you disprove his false claims his followers say stuff like “ but what about the precision and perfectly made stuff by such and such civilization which cannot even be replicated to this day”. He pretty much found the best clientele for his product.

@pokie6087

8 ай бұрын

If you actually watch his documentary series you'll realise that he's not making claims. He's simply offering up an alternative explanation of human history. At no time does he ever claim to be right

@InchFab

8 ай бұрын

​@@pokie6087damn dude, that's an absolutely pathetic argument for the garbage that falls out of his mouth. Everything he speaks about is presented as fact. He slithers by the baseless conclusions by offering a weak "if I could see a something" and demading evidence that proves him wrong instead of presenting evidence that supports his wild ideas. It's bad fiction, at best, and he knows that.

@pokie6087

8 ай бұрын

@@InchFab Just a question out of interest. Why has Hancock generated such a vitriolic reaction from the scientific establishment, but yet people who claim that other worldly beings came down from outer space and used their technology to build these amazing structures, get a free pass. Heck they even have prime time TV documentaries like ancient aliens. Why aren't archaeologists taking issue with that.

@maau5trap273

8 ай бұрын

@@pokie6087 If all he was doing was offering an alternative explanation then why every time he has a chance to attack “mainstream academia” he does. Hancock essentially is a snake oil seller. He sells you the idea that for example Gobekli tepe couldn’t have been made by “simple and primitive” hunter-gatherers. He tells you that before he even shows you anything just so that you can have that engraved on your mind that archeologist believe simple hunter-gatherers lived there and then he proceeds to attack “mainstream academia” so that you can think like “ well if he’s being attacked by mainstream academia it must mean he’s onto something” when in reality the academia is extremely strict with any research being done that makes extraordinary claims without extraordinary evidence. Then he makes up a story about the site ( could be anything from it was built to warn us about a apocalyptic event, to save themselves from the flood or for whatever reason) say it was built 12,000 years ago with no evidence and call it a day. Everything you can do in science and archeolgy wrong he’s doing it.

@maau5trap273

8 ай бұрын

@@pokie6087 bruh no one takes ancient aliens seriously that is why, not even themselves. Hancock is the one making claims since a long time ago. Hancock also wrote crazy books about an ancient lost civilization in MARS, bruh in mars. Of course this didn’t work as he intended but then he found the working formula. Make an argument based on no evidence that can change the history of every single part of the world. His evidence is based on a negative which is “well you can’t disprove they didn’t exist therefor it’s possible” instead of doing “ said lost civilization existed and this is the evidence”

the problem is not Hancock, the problem is not the technological leap, the problem is not Gobekli Tepe. The problem is that when I went to school (just the general education), when we talked about the time of 10.000 bc, we were taught that by that time people struggled for survival. Ran the surface of Earth in fur "clothes" and were about as skilled to put together a simple shed made out of branches, leaves and mud, gather berries or kill a hog. Then comes the Gobekli Tepe and its dating to this time... now, thanks to Mr. Hancock, we got to know that the carvings on the pillars are not just carvings but they have a deeper meaning, kind of mirroring the night sky and its particular constellations. But it goes even deeper as the masons incorporated information which greatly oversteps their timeframe... stellar movements that had to be observed for thousands of years before... There are surely other sites dating ever further back... there are sites that were not discovered yet... The thing I want to hear is... the maximum available international archeology force is focused on one thing and one thing only... full examination of the Gobekli Tepe site and changing the scripts from which the students becoming teachers learn. Our focus should be on stopping the bullshit that some old dudes cannot step over, open our eyes and start thinking about our past in a different way... that there might have been people who did things like astronomy and architecture way further in the past than we even dare to think about now because of the flocking peer pressure...

@WorldofAntiquity

7 ай бұрын

*now, thanks to Mr. Hancock, we got to know that the carvings on the pillars are not just carvings but they have a deeper meaning, kind of mirroring the night sky and its particular constellations. But it goes even deeper as the masons incorporated information which greatly oversteps their timeframe... stellar movements that had to be observed for thousands of years before...* All of this is bunk. I have discussed it in detail in two other videos: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qImYrKWPp9SwfrA.html *Our focus should be on stopping the bullshit that some old dudes cannot step over, open our eyes and start thinking about our past in a different way.* This is happening only in your mind.

@JanAnton

7 ай бұрын

Hi David, I appreciate your perspective as a semi-seasoned archaeologist on Gobekli Tepe. It's true that professional expertise is crucial in understanding such complex historical sites. However, I believe that involving enthusiasts and non-professionals in the conversation can be incredibly beneficial for archaeology as a whole. Archaeology isn't just about the excavation and study of ancient sites; it's also about sharing these discoveries with the world. When we open up discussions to include those who may not have formal training but possess a genuine interest, we're enriching the field. This inclusivity can lead to a more diverse range of viewpoints and questions, potentially uncovering aspects that may have been overlooked. The popularization of archaeology through public discourse, media, and education plays a vital role in its advancement. It helps in securing funding, raising awareness, and inspiring the next generation of archaeologists. Sites like Gobekli Tepe don't just belong to the academic community but to humanity's collective heritage. By welcoming a broader audience into these discussions, we ensure that this heritage is appreciated, understood, and preserved by as many people as possible. Let's remember that the goal is to foster a love for archaeology and a deeper understanding of our past. Dismissing enthusiastic voices, even if they lack professional training, might close doors that could lead to valuable insights or support for the field.

I'm an historian by qualification but I can tell you a lot of people are drawn to figures like Hancock because history and archaeology as an academic discipline have a real problem with gatekeeping and snobbery. Keen amateurs who are genuinely interested and perhaps have new insights or new evidence that human civilisation may be older than currently believed are often given haughty and self-important short shrift by professionals in the field, many of them often resorting to insulting or belittling behaviour. Then when it's discovered that actually human civilisation is actually older than previously thought, the professionals forget all their previous hand-waving, and taunts, and degredation of those keen amateurs and again loftily retreat their ivory towers proclaiming that obviously human civilisation is older than previously thought, and only a buffoon would claim otherwise. People like Hancock and his followers see a continuous stream of professional historians and archaeologists berating them for not operating within the rules, only to later shift the goal posts and then loftily claim the rules have changed. This is not common to other academic disciplines. In astronomy, for example, or mathematics, or biology, or sociology, or linguistics, keen amateurs may present their theories, or some esoteric insight, or some anomalous piece of evidence and they're not met with immediate scoffing, scorn, and ridicule. Instead they're patiently corrected, or it's acknowledged that their notions and evidence may actually have merit that warrants invesitgation. They're not immediately kicked to the curb with a chaser of pompous laughter. If history and archaeology as a disicpline wants fewer Graham Hancocks, its professional practitioners have to stop behaving like some priestly class of gatekeepers who will only accept and not immediately scorn the contributions of those they deem worthy or sufficiently qualified. Einstein was a patent clerk. Ramanujan was a sari salesman. Darwin was a taxidermist. Sometimes great insights come from people outside of the fold, and Hancocks will spring up left, right, and centre if they're constantly derided and mocked by their idolised discipline, only for the professionals of said discipline to turn around in a decade or so declaring that they were correct, but never, ever acknowledging that fact merely to salve the disciplines' egos.

@sampagano205

8 ай бұрын

Please provide examples of this happening.

@sampagano205

8 ай бұрын

Even just one example of such an amateur wrongfully excluded would be atleast something. None of you guys give even that because the problem you guys assert doesn't exist.

@WorldofAntiquity

8 ай бұрын

Someone who actually has historical qualifications would know that history is based on evidence, and historians would never say there is a civilization until they found evidence for it. Yet you complain that they waited for the evidence first.

@NinjaMonkeyPrime

8 ай бұрын

Yawn. Sorry but crazy ideas that aren't backed by evidence are ignored in every field of science. And rightfully so. Scientists are not parents that are obligated to entertain children and their fantasy ideas.

@MrDrewmurphy

8 ай бұрын

@@sampagano205 Tommy Flowers Alfred Russell Wallace Frank Calvert Gudea Atra-Hasis The history of civilisation itself is just one long list of embellishments on appropriated ideas the derivation of which is then obscured in an attempt to claim ownership.. 🏴‍☠️

I would like Hancock and others who suggest knowledge transfer from a lost advanced civilisation to describe when, how and where this transfer occured, and how it generated the various results they themselves have pointed towards. Just like with flat earth all this falls apart as soon as the alternativists stop asking questions and have to suggest their own model.

@loke6664

8 ай бұрын

I rather see some actual evidence. Graham have never really showed us a single artifact from this alleged civilization. You can fib descriptions pretty easily, Plato proved that but you would think a lost global advanced civilization would leave some artifacts, maybe even with their writing on, after them. The only thing he showed us from this lost ancient civilization in his Netflix show was the Bimini road and any geologist would tell you it isn't made by humans.

This is a landmark video, David. Extremely well done. Thank you for taking the time to research and present it. Bravo!!

@jenny6253

8 ай бұрын

What the heck. He mentioned that they used a granite pestle and mortar and built structures out of LIMESTONE then 300 yrs later we are to believe they had the ability to cut gigantic stones of GRANITE/BASALT weighting multiple tons cart them up a mountain miles away from where they were quarried?? Come on, your kidding right!!!

@Bingobanana4789

7 ай бұрын

He presented a load of lies about the dates on those sites. None of them were prior to gobekli tepe

@hedgehog3180

4 ай бұрын

@@Bingobanana4789 Liar.

@hedgehog3180

4 ай бұрын

@@jenny6253 Where?

There has been sites around gobekle tepe that have been show to be more advanced and built a couple thousand years before gobekle tepe. The had jewelry. I know that doesn’t seem to suggest much. Just think how did we go from Hunter gatherers to having jewelry that required piercings. Doesn’t seem very essential in the hunter gather process. Jewelry is a sign of a very advanced civilization that has enough free time to make jewelry. Something that provides no actual value and will not help a population in anyway to survive.

It's interesting that Hancock requires evidence of intermediate technology to convince him of an increase in capabilities. But, to claim a mysterious, more advanced civilization bequeathed their advances upon the people of the region, speculation will do just fine.

Cool. I had assumed the preceding generations had built with carved wood, maybe something like a totem pole. Carving soft rock is a jump from carving wood, but not a ridiculous jump.

@loke6664

8 ай бұрын

Well, that isn't exactly wrong. The Shigir idol is a totem pole and 12 500 years old and it was likely not the first of it's kind but since wood rarely survives that long it is impossible to say when that started. I think people probably started with wood but wood never been that plentiful in the area while easy to work stone is. They likely used the wood they had for roofing instead which is way harder to replace with stone. You can see the same phenomena in Skara Brae where they used stone instead of wood to build their entire village due to lack of wood while having plenty of stone. We humans use the easiest material we have plenty of access to when we build stuff, there are exceptions of course but we are practical that way. I mean, no need to import wood if you have lots of good stone and the other way around.

Thank you for the excellent video! I have a strange thought when it comes to Gobekli Tepi - something tells me that it was actually a site that evolved because it was a trading site between groups, almost like the world's first mall.

@shaolin1derpalm

8 ай бұрын

I had stated similar sometimes in the past year a few times but was rebuked. The oldest wet market site to date. Narrow path in and out (good for herding). The carvings representing what was for trade in that spot, like a sign.

I think it's funny that the "ancient civilization" taught people different skills. Why would those people show Egyptians, Indigenous people of the Americas, and the people in this video how to build in completely different ways with different styles of architecture?

@NinjaMonkeyPrime

6 ай бұрын

You noticed that too? Hancock fans like to ignore that observation.

I think the burial of the buildings may have been a precursor of sacking a city. Some rival civilization didn't just want to raid them, enslave them or murder them. They wanted to erase their culture.

How was this technology developed simultaneously across many continents from this one area where it evolved?

@varyolla435

8 ай бұрын

It wasn't...........

@angusscott1783

8 ай бұрын

thanks, very helpful @@varyolla435

@NinjaMonkeyPrime

8 ай бұрын

​@@angusscott1783What technology? Working with stone? Are you going to ask how humans learned to hunt all over the world?

Excellent survey of the literature. I think Hancock raised valid questions but this helps answer them very well. I've wondered how many precursor megalithic structures existed undiscovered in SE Anatolia. You helped answer this. Cheers!

@loke6664

8 ай бұрын

30 years ago, his questions would have been valid, yes. Today, not so much. Already 30 years ago the Natufians were well known but we still missed a few links in the chain. I don't really buy that Graham never heard of the last 30 years of archaeology in the area though, he is constantly looking for anything he can use in his theory so probably just ignored everything that doesn't fit for him and raised his question to win a point with the listeners who doesn't know much about the subject.

@Vor567tez

8 ай бұрын

I will like to know what about rest of the world.

@CoercedJab

8 ай бұрын

Yup agreed. And that’s what it’s all about. Imagine if all the heavyweights were debating this and not just “fringe” people or KZread channel creators 😂

@loke6664

8 ай бұрын

@@CoercedJab Archaeologists aren't generally that happy to discuss strange hypothesis with no actual evidence, it isn't really what they do. Historians might be a bit more interested but they are more experts on areas with written records then pre history. Dr Miano however is an actual Historian and there are some archaeologists like Milo from Miniminute man that also debunks things like this on KZread. But I honestly don't think most professionals really care enough to go on things like the Seth Rogan show, they are more interested in finding out about the past themselves then to educate the masses or debunk any weird theory they hear.

I don't even think that Hancock believes what he's saying. The guy makes a lot of money doing what he does, I think it's pure grift.

@varyolla435

2 ай бұрын

🎯 He does not need to believe it. He merely needs to believe = others will believe it - as that can be monetized as you noted.

@trilbo

Ай бұрын

Yes

One thing is that human brains were fully developed for hundreds of thousands of years before Gobekli Tepe was built. So why couldn't people have learnt the skills without recourse to Atlantis or other imagined advanced civilization. We already had a civilization.

@varyolla435

5 ай бұрын

Where is the evidence......... Also tell me perchance = are babies born with "innate knowledge"?? Methinks not. A child may have a brain consistent with "modern man" but it is as the saying goes: _"tabula rasa"_ So it is not enough to have "a brain". What matters obviously is = what is inputted into said brain so as to form the basis of what we collectively refer to as "knowledge". Homo Sapiens as a species may be similar in its' present form as "iterations" say 50K years ago. Our knowledge base however then compared to now does not reflect what you infer. p.s. - human knowledge as far as "species wide" if you will really did not begin to take off until the advent of the printing press which allowed the average person to access standardized knowledge. Further things upon the development of our modern age of computers and the internet which linked otherwise disparate groups to allow for collective knowledge are a new phenomenon. So it is the capacity to exchange knowledge and build upon that which foments understanding - while our brains are merely the engine to process it all. Yes we have the brains = but the knowledge we've acquired is fairly new.