Wait Roxy constantly reminds you she is not an expert in Star Wars yet she wants to hold an opinion on the state of Star Wars

@CynicallyObnoxious

4 жыл бұрын

I love how she gets angry that we shit on the ST and honestly its not even hard to do

4 жыл бұрын

At least she move the conversation

@lexis4490

4 жыл бұрын

CynicallyObnoxious You don't need a degree to talk Star Wars.

@CynicallyObnoxious

4 жыл бұрын

STans think you do lol

@merlin9943

4 жыл бұрын

You don't have to be an expert about Star Wars to talk about it.

Roxy has no clue.... she doesn't want to admit that Disney dropped the ball.

@bradwright9477

4 жыл бұрын

They didn’t lol

@michaelcullen7401

4 жыл бұрын

@@bradwright9477 Did you even watch The last Jedi!

@deanminer

4 жыл бұрын

Roxy has NO CLUE ON ANYTHING! Insufferable C...!

@marvinthefilmnerd9259

4 жыл бұрын

It’s not a fact that Disney dropped the ball. It’s an opinion. People really need to go back to school

@benjaminmanzanares358

4 жыл бұрын

@@marvinthefilmnerd9259 it's a fact, did you watch TLJ,solo or how empty galaxy edge is, catherine powell got fired because of that. Even a new article reports how George Lucas felt betrayed. Here's a piece of the article. ........when Disney first met to discuss the future of the franchise with Lucas, director J.J. Abrams, screenwriter Michael Arndt and Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy at Skywalker Ranch, he expressed disappointment "that his story was being discarded." Lucas even balked at the lack of originality in The Force Awakens, making it clear this isn't what he had in mind."Now, in the first meeting with him about the future of Star Wars, George felt betrayed

I understand that Roxy get confused but damn can she shut up for once and voice confusion after? Stop interrupting so much

@Jwarddesign-ca

4 жыл бұрын

Man - she's really annoying. Maybe she's high as eff. I dunno. But ya, she needs to shut up.

@deanminer

4 жыл бұрын

GET. RID. OF. ROXY! Goddamnit she's insufferable!

@casey-capri2914

4 жыл бұрын

She makes it so hard to watch these. Bring in Perry and lets go!

@BlackWolfInc277

4 жыл бұрын

@@casey-capri2914 Yeah I agree with having Perry in her spot or Amy, Grace, hell I am not fond of Emma when she goes into the posivity bs but she's not unbearable plus she is at least a good opinion to hear from

@joeortiz8068

4 жыл бұрын

No no no Perry. Perry doesn't like making opinions. She wants to stay positive. Dorina would my choice.

Roxy is probably a nice person so I’m not trying to attack her character... but she literally brings zero insight or significant point of view to this conversation and most others.

@travissmith6380

4 жыл бұрын

well said my friend

@jaysway9251

4 жыл бұрын

E. Norma Stitz outside voices are sometimes needed to shed light in what others, with more insight, have said.

@nicrage92

4 жыл бұрын

No matter what though, josh is worse

@rscristiano8

4 жыл бұрын

I could be wrong but she’s hot and bows a little and I think that’s what their channel thinks the show needs BUT it definitely does not

@F4RR3L2

4 жыл бұрын

@Notorious1503 Her vocabulary: "what if", "is that because", and "do you think?"

Jesus christ, if Roxy wasn't bestfriends with these dudes we wouldn't have to slow down for her every week

@kangarookomedy8573

4 жыл бұрын

Bruh

@keitht24

4 жыл бұрын

I don't even know why she's on the show. She adds nothing.

@renegade4288

4 жыл бұрын

@@keitht24 cuz they're all friends on some friendly bullshit

@woodley2

4 жыл бұрын

Everytime Roxy is on I just want to skip the entire show.

@deanminer

4 жыл бұрын

GET. RID. OF. ROXY! Goddamnit she's insufferable!

I tried really hard to like Roxy... She seems like a good person but she asks the dumbest questions

@reyalexandro

4 жыл бұрын

Shes making me not want to watch this.

@kennywnorthkennorth6579

4 жыл бұрын

Hey be nice, she’s not the fastest to realize problems

@StanvilleBrown

4 жыл бұрын

@@kennywnorthkennorth6579 No Shit! 😆

The Rocky series did a better job of passing the torch than Star Wars did.

@michaelcullen7401

4 жыл бұрын

Pretty freaking much!

@elcarter213

4 жыл бұрын

Very True!

@A-Dubs398

4 жыл бұрын

I think Karate Kid did it the best of handing the torch to a new generation, with Cobra Kai. While Star Wars did that the worst.

@tampamovieguy8565

4 жыл бұрын

Creed and Creed 2 = $400 million grand total worldwide.

@tampamovieguy8565

4 жыл бұрын

@Movie Crazed If they had made it all about the original characters, people would be bitching about how it's nothing new. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I'm looking forward to TROS and the streaming shows they have coming.

My god!! Is Roxy still on these shows? She is insufferable.

@hereontatooine4623

4 жыл бұрын

Yes

Just put Roxy on time-out whenever discussing Star Wars. Please.

@cooldude3240

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

Roxy is absolutely clueless

Can someone explain to me what is Roxy's actual contribution to this channel? I just don't get it.

@woodley2

4 жыл бұрын

Nothing

@adriansuarez8245

4 жыл бұрын

She’s hot

@Playhouse76

4 жыл бұрын

She literally just asked the questions to clarify the discussion for the audience on the whole. You don't like her, fine. If you can't see the value in helping to break down the discussion so that there's actual worth in having and filming it for others to see, well, that's really on you not her.

@henryk.5192

4 жыл бұрын

Jim O'Neill she’s there to ask questions to clarify things that “non-fans” might not understand.

@deanminer

4 жыл бұрын

GET. RID. OF. ROXY! Goddamnit she's insufferable!

My god! Someone shut Roxy up!! She doesn't have a clue!!

Christ! Roxy has no idea about Star Wars!! Why do they entertain her thoughts on a property she has no idea about

@deanminer

4 жыл бұрын

GET. RID. OF. ROXY! Goddamnit she's insufferable!

@JuanGarcia-qp7it

4 жыл бұрын

I agree can’t stand roxy so annoying and brings nothing to the table

@silverbullet9615

4 жыл бұрын

She's not the worst, when she does her movie reviews and talks DC she does alright

@gabl4157

4 жыл бұрын

because the force is female, for the same reason shes trying to defend sw when she doesnt even like it.

@daltonio6001

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao you guys are so salty just because she disagrees with your opinion

You guys are dropping the ball, by still having Roxy on the show😡😡😡😡

@hereontatooine4623

4 жыл бұрын

She's so awful

@EthanDeRose

4 жыл бұрын

Glad I'm not the only one. Dam shes an idiot.

@mattrismatt

4 жыл бұрын

You'll find that she's right about Star Wars not needing saving.

@onsokumaru4663

4 жыл бұрын

They can't get rid of her, she's a wahmehn

@captainsisko7629

4 жыл бұрын

@@mattrismatt you are just as delusional as Kathleen Kennedy

Man Roxy talks so much and has so many questions I feel like they can't stay or get through one subject

Ahh Roxy always comes through with the most useless and pointless questions that derail every topic. Great...

@CynicallyObnoxious

4 жыл бұрын

I hope TROS doesnt pull numbers like the last two just so I can tweet her "Check yourself because you wrecked yourself STan fan"

@tracychretien

4 жыл бұрын

Yea, she messes up the flow sometimes

@dondraper3898

4 жыл бұрын

Can't deny that. Is that sexist? She brings up Alan "Wiccan" Moore- the cause of DC Comics demise since DiDio is still chasing that dragon despite Johns, basically breaking the 4th wall saying "THAT is why you are the villain to HEROES and I need to do this to show you cuz you do not get it!" with Doomsday Clock #10. Dave gibbons art was great. Moore is a hack. She does not understand. Lucas was the hero/ Johns. Iger was the villain/ DiDIo. How are those I.P.'s lookin' in their absence? BATMAN is being outsold by Vampirella. Solo is being outsold by Carl Manvers.

@marvinthefilmnerd9259

4 жыл бұрын

People who go after roxy are idiot losers who haven’t lost their virginity

@casey-capri2914

4 жыл бұрын

I seriously wonder how much more successful they would be without her. I dont watch the episodes shes in for more than like 2 min because she always finds a way to be a dumb ass. Im sure Im not the only one.

"Did Disney drop the ball with Star Wars?"......"Depends on if they invite us to their next premiere or not"

Tell me how everything with Disney Star Wars is fine when: 1) no one is going to Galaxy’s edge 2) merchandise sales are poor 3) Solo lost money overall including its costs

This girl lives on some other planet for sure. Glad that you shills are waking up.

TFA was okay, nothing great. RO delivered. Han solo was okay, nothing great. TLJ, they dropped the ball.

@protector_of_the_realms

4 жыл бұрын

3/4 of those failed for me, Rogue One being the exception and being okay till the great last 30 minutes

@Rian-zf7ye

4 жыл бұрын

TFA - I enjoyed a lot, but was so much of a rehash I can’t say I loved it RO - a+ Solo - was okay. not as bad as people make it out to be, but was alright TLJ - was okay, nothing too great (although Luke/Rey lesson 1 is in my top 3 favorite Star Wars scenes ever) ROS, Mandalorian, Obi-Wan, Cassian, Clone Wars 7..... Disney/Lucasfilm A++++++++

@tonyg6691

4 жыл бұрын

Eh I thought the last jedi was just okay. I feel like it could have been better. The worst of the new films to me is solo

@krisj827

4 жыл бұрын

I agree

@manniman82

4 жыл бұрын

They were all shit. Not an ounce of creativity. That was made obvious to me in the first half of Force Awakens and the subsequent productions only reinforced that. This Lucasfilm is creatively bankrupt, nothing good can come out of from this crop, they'd need a huge overhaul to turn this around but that won't happen so it'll just die slowly and people will bitch and moan every step of the way.

I believe they did. The sequel trilogy just feels like we’re retreading the OT to a certain degree. While some new things are added in terms of force abilities, and well that’s pretty much it it doesn’t feel like the mythology is being expanded as a whole.

@CynicallyObnoxious

4 жыл бұрын

Its exactly what they did and the fact Iger got miffed that George criticized it tells me all I need to know funny how the STan fans are the same way

@chrisolivo6591

4 жыл бұрын

Ron Crawford I agree, but that’s sort of what the fans asked for in 2012 when Disney acquired the franchise. I remember fans saying at the time: -No CGI -We want the movies to feel like the OT -No politics -No Jar Jar -No 10 year old Protagonist Disney was obliging as the fans would have rebelled again in 2015 if Episode 7 had more Senate Scenes, more CGI worlds, and Lucas also wanted younger teenage Protagonists. The bottom line with our fanbase is when you give them something new, they whine it’s not like the OT. When you give them something familiar, they whine it’s too much like the OT. You can never win.

@User3Ds

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Olivo I don’t really remember anyone saying that they want movies that felt like the OT, regardless though that could mean numerous things, such as more practical effects, less CGI, and no politics. Looking back on it even though the prequel movies weren’t the greatest, they had their moments, except AOC that will always be my least favorite I just hate 90% of that movie And the prequel era as a whole really expanded the universe. I just don’t see that coming from the sequels, and it’s upsetting. Because Star Wars is such a great universe, with such great lore, there’s so much to do with it, but we’re just sitting through Rebels 2.0 VS Empire 2.0.

@chrisolivo6591

4 жыл бұрын

Ron Crawford I cant argue that the world building in the PT is much better than the ST (which is pretty much non-existent). Again, the fans always complained about stuff like that back in the day. I still remember the common phrase, “Nobody wanted Episode 1 to be about taxes and trade disputes.” or “There is no Han Solo character in the PT” is another common phrase. I just remember the PT got ripped to shreds from 99-05 as fans have a short memory. Trust me, I argued with my best friend when he was so down on the movies and on Lucas saying Lord of the Rings were light years better. Now he says that Disney needs Lucas back? I will never understand our fanbase.

@A-Dubs398

4 жыл бұрын

@@chrisolivo6591 Saying we want the new movies to feel like the OT, isn't the same as saying we want the plots to be the same as the OT. Those are 2 totally different things. You're an idiot if you can't get that. Force Awakens is generally hate cuz it's obviously a retread. Last Jedi sucks cuz it's also a retread in some parts, but it also just straight-up sucks, edgelord, boring, and insulting. Any great saga has progession with each installment(no retreads), yet all still have the same feeling/vibe. You obviously can never please everyone, but that's how you please the majority, like how the Thrawn Trilogy is. That's how you please most fans. Why can't Disney do that?

Yes, Disney and Lucasfilm dropped the ball on not just the films but other forms of media within the Star Wars franchise. I will point out my issues with Disney Star Wars below through several points. 1. Lucasfilm already had a Kevin Feige on their payroll in the form of Dave Filoni. Filoni was George Lucas' Padawan when he developed the Clone Wars television series and is probably the closest person who understands the universe of Star Wars better than anyone. Filoni could have been the overseer for creative input in the Star Wars universe while Kathleen could have handled the financial portions. It is clear that Kathleen Kennedy has no concise view on Star Wars, despite her story group, and considering her handling on the movies, which leads me to my second point. 2. Kathleen Kennedy should stop hiring and firing directors on a whim. Her indecision on how a Star Wars movie should be has dejointed the franchise. She originally had three different directors to write and direct each installment of in the Sequel trilogy only for her to fire Colin Treverow from Episode 9 and have JJ Abrams to pick up the pieces from Rian Johnson's mess he left in Episode 8. Kennedy forced Rogue One to have massive amounts of reshoots and this behavior bled into the second Anthology film, Solo. She hired Lord and Miller only to fire them when they were eighty percent done filming and replaced them with Ron Howard to reshoot most of the movie. How can a person hire a group of directors only to fire them when they were almost done with filming the damn movie? If Kathleen had such a creative problem with Lord and Miller, then perhaps she shouldn't have hired them in the first place. Add to Iger putting Solo in May between Infinity War and Deadpool 2, and Solo's fate was sealed. That decision costed Lucasfilm millions and Solo is the first Star Wars film to flop. For as much crap Lucas got with the Prequels, he was not as financially incompetent. 3. Disney, in all of their infinite wisdom, gave the Star Wars video game license to EA, a game company that was awarded the worst company in America. This decision made Star Wars a joke in the video game industry and a far cry from Lucas Arts. Before Disney closed them down, Star Wars video games were flourishing with games like the Jedi Outcast series, The Knights of the Old Republic, Republic Commandoes, the OG Battlefront series, and the Force Unleashed. What video games have been released under the Disney regime? Two. One was a Battlefront game that had little to no single-player content and lacked content from other eras like the Clone Wars. It's sequel had such a controversy surrounding loot boxes and micro transactions along with bugs that have plagued the game since launch that EA's only hope to win back Star Wars fans is the Jedi Fallen Order game. I hope Respawn kept EA far away from this game because their meddling turned the Battlefront series into a joke. 4. The world-building in the Sequel trilogy is utterly atrocious. The Force Awakens is awful with explaining the events after Episode 6, hitting the reset button without putting any effort to do so. How did the First Order rise to power? How did Snoke do it? Why is the New Republic so inept that the First Order, a supposedly tiny portion of the Empire, achieve resources to create an even bigger Death Star? No answers at all. The Force Awakens is a shallow, empty movie with no attempt at world building as JJ used nostalgia like a set of keys to dangle in front of the audience to distract fans as the questions above, as well as Rey's sudden mastery of the Force, remain unanswered. The Last Jedi gained a notorious reputation for a reason, with Rian Johnson spending more time getting the audience surprised by subverting expectations that he failed to give fans anything meaningful in return (no answer to the world-building, no answer to Snoke, no answer to Rey's Force mastery, Kylo Ren flip-flopping like a pancake, etc). By subverting expectations and not giving the audience anything to buy these subversions, he created an uproar from the fandom. It probably doesn't help that Johnson admitted in an interview years ago that he wants to make movies that half the audience loved and the other hated. If that was his intention, well he got what he wanted. This uproar within the fandom could have been avoided if he and JJ should have collaborated from the start cause right now Episode 9 looks like it's trying to retcon Episode 8 all together. This Sequel trilogy is a freaking mess. 5. The argument that the Star Wars fan base being toxic recently is a lie. OT Star Wars fanboys have been toxic to Prequel fans like me for years. Toxic fans like Simon Pegg, who stated he has no respect for those who enjoys the Prequels and said those films were akin to George killing his own kids, and Patton Oswalt, who joked about going back in time and killing Lucas for making the Prequels, have been toxic for years and years. When fans turned on the Last Jedi and attacked Rian Johnson, Simon Pegg and fans like him had no right to demand angry fans to move on when he was a toxic fan for years. Why is it okay to crap on Lucas and the Prequels but not okay to crap on Johnson and the Last Jedi? I hate double standards and to hear from toxic fans like Pegg makes me laugh when they have been doing it to Lucas and Prequel fans for years. In summary, the state of Star Wars is a mess, in the movies and video games at least. Perhaps TV is the way to go for Star Wars in the future. While Rebels wasn't as good as Clone Wars, Filoni did a decent job nonetheless and I am genuinely hopeful that Clone Wars season 7, the Mandalorian, and the Obi-Wan show are good. Odds are, I'll probably skip watching Episode 9 in theaters and just wait to rent it like I did with Solo. Episode 7 and 8 killed my investment in this trilogy so I would rather watch the Prequels and Originals in a marathon instead.

@albericponcedeleon2696

4 жыл бұрын

Probably the most level-headed take in this comment section. To me the biggest mistake they made was the lack of planning. There seems to be no discernible direction for the films, unlike the next comparable franchise, the MCU, who at the very least had the goal first of getting to The Avengers and then getting to Thanos. Also their "everything is canon" approach backfired as soon as they decided to publish like 20+ books and comics within the span of 8-10 weeks. There's no way they could've carefully edited that many books simultaneously without knowing detailed plans for the films and TV shows.

@panthergod

4 жыл бұрын

Excellent comment, best of the video hands down

Please replace Roxy.

@hereontatooine4623

4 жыл бұрын

Yes

Roxy has no clue about Star Wars! Good stories are what fans want! Before Disney, Books and video games have used old and new characters that are loved! It is the story and storytelling that Disney has ruined!

Wow, Collider is finally catching up to what the Fandom Menace has been saying for years.

@Composer19691

4 жыл бұрын

v ...Way too late. I can’t trust these guys who will whore out for access.

Haha it's fun to watch Josh when Roxy keeps questioning everything.

Short answer: yes. They’ve botched the easiest lay-up in the history of media.

@manchegocheese8529

4 жыл бұрын

citiZen by failing to tell a cogent story with engaging and compelling characters. They were given the most valuable and celebrated IP in media... and one good film (rogue one), one serviceable film (TFA), one incredibly divisive movie (TLJ) and one disaster (solo) are the sum total of their efforts. This says nothing of the behind the scenes issues that have seen other films shelved, directors fired etc etc. Lucas’ stories might not have been the answer, nor were they necessarily better, but what they’ve given us - bearing in mind they had a canvas on which to tell sequels to the greatest trilogy of all time - has been extraordinarily derivative and underwhelming. I hope TROS is phenomenal. I hope it wraps up this trilogy and the overall saga in an extraordinary way... but can we really have faith they’ll pull it off after what they’ve served up thus far?

@mindartis4081

4 жыл бұрын

Manchego Cheese I agree!

@manchegocheese8529

4 жыл бұрын

citiZen I think the proof is in the pudding. I love Star Wars, but if I didn’t I’d have pretty much no idea a new film is coming out. We’re inside 3 months from the release of (apparently) the final film in the skywalker saga and... where’s the buzz? Where’s the hype? Especially now we’ve cleared Avengers, Lion King et al, their other massive properties and have nothing but clean air through until release. Flashback to October 2015 and the excitement was at fever pitch. Yes, the marketing will ratchet up in coming weeks, but Disney’s handling of the TROS roll out suggests they know they’ve an issue.

Me: "hmm this is a good discussion, maybe I should subscribe"... I hear she says " I love last Jedi, star wars don't need saving"...me: " nope sorry, not gonna subscribe to listen to people who don't think"

Yes they dropped the ball. The Force Awakens was serviceable but didn’t provide anything new to the franchise. Rogue One was completely soulless with underdeveloped characters and janky pacing from last minute reshoots. The Last Jedi didn’t expand upon any of the story threads set up in the previous film and wasted Luke Skywalker’s final appearance. Solo was a movie that nobody asked for and also had sloppy storytelling after dropping directors mid-shoot and not delaying the release. Disney is currently responsible for the important franchise in movie history and the crap they’re putting out is a disgrace.

@folsum53

4 жыл бұрын

OldPervertedHerbert disagree about the Last Jedi. All other complaints are fair

@bradwright9477

4 жыл бұрын

No they didn’t. Sorry kid The Force Awakens was a classic Star Wars adventure film with fantastic new characters and a lot of fun. Rogue One was an epic war story about trust and sacrifice that tied into the OT very well The Last Jedi, while flawed, went to some daring places and is one of the most well made Star Wars films Solo is just a ton of fun from start to finish and not being asked for isn’t a criticism. Alden Ehrenreich was also great.

@CynicallyObnoxious

4 жыл бұрын

@Brad Wright is your meds wearing off? Because you seem delusional at best

@bradwright9477

4 жыл бұрын

CynicallyObnoxious Damn I wonder how many times you’ve had to copy and paste that response against people you’re trolling lol

@Rian-zf7ye

4 жыл бұрын

If episodes 1/2 came out today, Lucas would’ve jumped off a cliff. Star Wars is just fine. Now that there is more of it, some things are gonna be better/worse then others. That’s the nature of it. The MCU has a crap ton of duds, even if fans won’t admit it, and I still love it. All this is is dramatization and over reacting

unless its bad boys or Rambo nonsense Macuga has nothing to offer this show

@WayneE42

4 жыл бұрын

Haha! I agree with you on that one.

I would have made a trilogy about the Jedi knight series. I mean, the main characters could have been Jaden Korr, Rosh Penin, Kyle Katarn, Mara Jade, Luke, Leia, etc. The villain could have been the spirit of Marka Ragnos or Darth Plagueis. Maybe instead of having Desann, Jerec or Tavion as dark apprentices, they could have used Jacen Solo (as a Kylo Ren type of character)

This is like ... me and my friends watching football and my wife keeps ask ..who's pitching ? DID HE THROW A home run ? What if a kick was 5 points ? ..... Roxy is that person that has a statement/ question for everything even when she should be listening ..she adds value but not after every sentence spoken by others .

Roxy?! Really?!! Dear girl..

I'd at least love to see a graphic novel treatment of a Lucas approved 7,8,9. Or full-fledged novels.

Love how passionate Kristan is! And ignoring Mucuga with his annoying huffing and puffing

We need a Star Wars flash point

It’s the biggest mess up of any franchise in movie history

@christianarchambault6111

4 жыл бұрын

The Farrell it's not even close. And they keep saying divisive instead of saying it was shit

@christianarchambault6111

4 жыл бұрын

Season 8 of Game of thrones was shit not divisive

I liked rogue one. And I also thought Disney dropped the ball completely in all categories for this property. Crushed my Star Wars dreams

@protector_of_the_realms

4 жыл бұрын

I think they did all right in the tv show category until Resistance but then I think they are again on the right track with everything that's been announced for Disney+. I also think the comics have been mostly good and the books have been meh to some of them being great. All movies apart from Rogue One have not been at all good so yeah overall, with movies being weighted heavier than anything else, Disney have dropped the ball

@JJGaming2010

4 жыл бұрын

If you liked Rogue One than Disney didnt drop the ball. You dont get to say thay Disney Star Wars is bad but still like the content they put out

@protector_of_the_realms

4 жыл бұрын

@@JJGaming2010 yes you can say Disney is still bad, 25% right or accuracy is a fail. You don't pass a test if you get 25% and you don't get paid if you do 25% of your job, you get fired

@alejandrocisneros7442

4 жыл бұрын

@@JJGaming2010 nah rogue one was the only good film. The characters where flesh out and likable. Then they fucking killed them off which is even worse since they think of doing a show about them on Disney+ (even though they are still dead and people aren't invested due to their future) on the other hand the new trilogy is hollow and the new characters are trash.

Roxy seems to be in dire need of a pre-show discussion before they start recording these things if only to fill her in for the small stuff she doesn't need to ask.

I'd like to see Timothy Zahn write Lucas' 7, 8 & 9 treatments into books.

The hate towards GOT and SW its 100% deserved, its not like fans just turn on the franchise bc they want to hate it cuz its cool. GOT S8 and TLJ are legitimate failures when it comes to story and respecting what came before.

@witchingroom

4 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU. You're 100% correct, yet so many fail to see it. Bad storytelling is bad storytelling.

@Welsh_Dragon756

4 жыл бұрын

If you have read the books pretty much everything after season 4 of GOT was bad. 8 was the worst but the further they went from the books the worse it got. It's just that 5, 6 and 7 had a few big moments that managed to keep it together but the writing was terrible.

That WW2 plot idea about hiding the daughter sounds similar to a plot line in MAN IN THE HIGH CASTLE....

As someone who enjoys the Disney Star Wars movies overall, yes, they did. They rushed to get them out too quickly, hired all the wrong people (not just Rian all you TLJ haters, but everyone they hired), and so we ended up with no vision, no plan, and a bunch of movies that feel like rough drafts. I fully agree with whar you always say, Dave Filoni should always have been who they got to helm everything. He should have been the Kevin Feige of Star Wars.

To make it short. Yes they did and now we are never gonna see any other takes on star wars other than disney.

@bradwright9477

4 жыл бұрын

No they didn’t. And they’ve given a new director to nearly every new SW film so you can go home with that “only Disney takes” nonsense

@eliminator173

4 жыл бұрын

@@bradwright9477 disney still has to approve of their ideas so stfu.

@bradwright9477

4 жыл бұрын

eliminator173 Disney funds the movies. Lucasfilm handles the ideas. Check your facts

@willierann7534

4 жыл бұрын

eliminator173 most of the time they let 2 directors work on each film!

@eliminator173

4 жыл бұрын

@@bradwright9477 no if they have an r rated idea disney wont allow it wtf are u talking about.

“Feel like Star Wars” is not enough. It has to *be* Star Wars, and these sequel films aren’t. They’re sci-fi films that happen to have the SW skin on it. Sure, Disney owns it now and can do whatever they want with it, but it is still George’s IP, and they must abide by the rules that he had established, something they’ve failed horribly at.

@JohnReedy07163

4 жыл бұрын

They also told you that they were changing rules, it's not like they didn't tell you. All of the last Jedi trailers told you what was coming.

@lukaviwifalc1119

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnReedy07163 Bend it into something it was never meant to be.

Bob Iger knowingly released this now to add to Disney’s excuses of why Ep 9 will be lower at the box office! Haha you aren’t fooling us Disney lmaooo haha 😂😂😂

These Roxy white knight replies are something else lol

damn! people dislike Roxy more than I dislike last jedi

Yes. Recycling an expired story from 1977, while innovative in its time, failed to cultivate new audiences. Lucas was 100% on point when it comes to crafting movies only made for fans. Zero innovation and zero cultivation of new audiences is the result of Abram’s / Iger and Kennedy’s decision to make “We can do George better than George” The Force Awakens Johnson rebelled and NEGATED the first film and then asked fans to “let go” of the remaining valuable IP in the Star Wars portfolio. Can you believe that? Iger can take accountability for agreeing to be “spooked by fans that he forgot good old fashion IDEATION and Creativity But Kennedy let someone Infiltrate the franchise and craft a film solely for critics at the expense of growing the franchise across Disney’s 4 quadrants (theme parks, licensed merchandise, film, etc) Bringing in Feige is testament that nobody at Lucasfilm understand the fundamental “franchise management checklist”

I get more confused when Roxy talks then when she just lets the others talk

Bob Iger is taking one for the team. KK had George's trust. She convinced him to sell in order to protect the viability of LucasFilm and its employees. He wanted to ensure the future of the legacy they created with him. KK flat lied to the man's face. George is guilty of being blinded by trust in an industry with no morals.

@bradwright9477

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao take off the tin foil hat

@dwally4198

4 жыл бұрын

@@bradwright9477 it's not tinfoil. Go watch the interview George did with KK when he sold lucasfilm. She straight up lied to him and the fans

@RGC-gn2nm

4 жыл бұрын

@@dwally4198 Thanks I appreciate the support. Good to see Bob at least take the blame for pissing George off.

While I agree there’s a natural trollish sect in fandoms that exists just for the sake of it I think Roxie is low key being dismissive of the current environment in the Star Wars fandom and the genuine reasoning for why it’s come about.

@marvinthefilmnerd9259

4 жыл бұрын

Show me evidence that the fandom is divided. The hardcore Star Wars fans who are online are divided but how many people is that?

@bradwright9477

4 жыл бұрын

There is nothing that has called for the creepy and obsessive toxicity that has come out of the fandom lately. And they are a small few who just troll social media. They aren’t fans

@lexis4490

4 жыл бұрын

Star Wars fans made documentaries and videos tearing George Lucas apart. Let's. It act like the fandom was always great.

@protector_of_the_realms

4 жыл бұрын

@@marvinthefilmnerd9259 In person from all my family and friends I literally know not one soul who liked TLJ (actually just thought of 1 guy that likes it and his Dad apparently did as well so 2 out of 22) all of them dislike it and are fans to varying degrees I'd say only about 8 of the 20 I can think of are hard core fans and most of them aren't that put off and are going to see TROS. As for evidence well maybe audience score on critic sites and comments but yeah that would only be the hard core group so as for casuals would you consider Solo's disappointing box office? I wouldn't because I think there's too many variables surrounding it but it can server as an indicator, guess there won't be an answer until ep 9 arrives but by then the disdain would have been drained out with hype for the most case

@rockyseverino9230

4 жыл бұрын

I dunno, me and none of my friends liked TLJ. And comment sections all over the internet are full of discontented fans. And I think star wars is unique in that it has the largest hardcore fan base of any franchise. If that's the case star wars is in much greater danger from a fanbase civil war because it has fewer casual fans who just wouldn't care about any of this. Other franchises it seems to be the opposite. They have a small hardcore base and very large casual fanbase. So... Disney is in the best and worst position. They will make 80 percent of their revenue from the hardcores. That's just business As an example it seems the biggest spenders on star wars are 35-55, male and spend 500-1000 a year on star wars. They see the movie nine times, play all the games, buy all the merch etc. The casual fans spend less than a hundred a year and that's usually only in years with episodic films being released. So Disney has a lot to lose from dividing the hardcore fanbase. Have they actually tho? Toy sales for TLJ plummeted, Solo flopped hard, the executive in charge of Galaxy's Edge resigned today because no one's going ... Yeah I'd say there's a lot of evidence of a serious rift between Disneys star wars and a not insignificant portion of their hardcore big spending demographic of fans. All that said I'm rooting for JJ to make a film that delights all star wars fans and sticks the landing. But ask yourself this. Is his ending going to be a better ending for the Skywalker saga than Return of the Jedi? Anakin redeemed, Luke the Hero, the empire defeated... Because if we're being honest all episode 7 did was say that our heroes failed in everything. The dark sides back, the empires back, palpatine is back, there are no Jedi... Did Disney even pay attention to the title of the previous movie? Return of the Jedi? There should be Jedi. And Vader as the chosen one... That's not canon anymore? Like he didn't really accomplish much as a chosen one considering the current state of affairs. I think they needed to have a New Republic, a New Jedi Order, and a new threat. Essentially resetting us to Ep IV just feels insulting. I already watched a starry eyed desert waif overthrow a totalitarian government and it's black robed wizards... I already saw black robed wizards overthrow a galactic republic too. George's treatments for eps 7 8 9 dealing with the microbiotic world, the whills, midichlorians, etc would have been weird, but at least it would have been new and not Dishonored what came before.

They absolutely dropped the ball, they launched a trilogy but did no planning for it!

Lucas isn't the only one that feels betrayed. A lot of fans are as well and I am too for being deprived of a good Sequel Trilogy and good movies which have also stubbornly refused to develop and expand the Star Wars Mythology and Galaxy instead force into their films lazy unoriginal plots and stories that come at detriment to the longevity of the saga and canon universe, which incompetent and in some cases idiotic characters with no relatability or believeability take part in

Bob Iger seems to have more direct involvement with The Mandalorian than Kennedy does, because it's a lynchpin for Disney Plus's launch

This is a great Topic but Josh is bored outta his mind, or tired, or drunk. and Roxy is literally on ALL the weed.

They started off on the wrong foot with how they treated the EU. They put themselves in a hole to begin with and then didn't do a good job climbing out of it. In fact the handling of legacy characters just made those people they upset to begin with more upset and made them look correct.

You guys used to have the best Star Wars shows and I really used to care. Not anymore.

5:26 when you have no idea what everyone else is talking about but you really really wanna join in....🤣😂

Financially of course not But I can say I used to love Star Wars and now I’m just completely bored with it

@jaysway9251

4 жыл бұрын

Buck Bumble YES! That’s the word I’ve been looking for to explain my feelings towards the ST. Even my siblings, who are lifelong SW fans are like “just let it end already”. Bored that’s the word.

It always feel as if Kristian, Roxy & Josh are all blustering. Only the glasses guy seem to have a clue.

Is Roxy trying to start an argument? It really felt like it.

That Macuga stare at 16:28 is priceless 🤣

It’s not like they completely scrapped his ideas. GL had a female protagonist and Luke as a hermit in his treatments.

@krisj827

4 жыл бұрын

Yes but he did want Luke to save the day at the end of ep7.

@CynicallyObnoxious

4 жыл бұрын

yea they did such an AMAZING job lulz

@Playhouse76

4 жыл бұрын

And had a Jedi Killer character that was the model for Kylo Ren. Plus, the story was about the next generation and also dealt with the role of the Force in the galaxy.

Jesus am I the only one who doesn't mind having Roxy there ? Why does she have to get murdered every video by the comments? I think it benifits the show having someone who has a more casual audience opinion, you people need to grow up

Question - Did Disney and Lucasfilm drop the ball with the new star wars films? Answer - Yes.

What bothers me the most is that fans HATED the prequels for being bad but guess what at least it brought new ideas to the franchise, new stories. The disney ones are the same damn thing, by the end of the last jedi they even called it the rebellion again.

JJ, KK, & Bob thought they knew better than George Lucas... 😂

I agree, I think Disney dropped the ball. Aside from Rogue One, I haven’t enjoyed this series of Star Wars films.

Yes. They mismanaged Star Wars from the get go. All the evidence points to that. TFA should have been the 3 OT characters on a last adventure that hands over the torch to a new generation, the following 2 films should have been new characters only. Star Wars land being sequel era only is a huge mistake.

@tonyg6691

4 жыл бұрын

Yes!!! Star wars land should have been OT themed.

These guys all praised the force awakens. Now they seem to look back on it with a bitter memory.

A million times yes they did

@bradwright9477

4 жыл бұрын

No they didn’t lol

@silvasurfa7962

4 жыл бұрын

@@bradwright9477 Neil is correct.

If it keeps on rainin', levee's goin' to break

Just interesting from the conversation yesterday. We don’t want to talk about controversial things, we want to have fun. Reads the title of the episode, uhhmm. Just be upfront about it, we want to talk about the things we want to talk about. I’ll still be here listening, have a great Tuesday everyone.

Mcu at least had Stan Lee cameos to honor source material and his contributions. with the exception of rouge one and most of solo Disney shit on Lucas. Marks right after last Jedi people realized prequels were not that bad.

if there's one thing i really hate... it's pandering to an audience. we're not stupid. it's interesting to hear Mark Reilly admit to Disney dropping the ball. I remember when he was a staunch Last Jedi defender, shilling any which way he could for Disney. and I like Reilly. It's just that when he shills... it's disappointing to say the least because i know he offers intelligent in-depth analysis when discussing film. Shilling sucks because it's clearly being deceptive and biased. Josh and Kristian kind of lay low regarding their "honest" opinions... but you could tell they're speaking the same language as those of us who respect OT Star Wars and feel Disney (specifically Kathleen Kennedy) has completely dropped the ball, destroying legacy characters just to save on some Lucas residuals. They just speak "safely". and for Roxy... saying that she doesn't think Disney dropped the ball with this sequel trilogy? I mean... that to me sounds like a token female response to protect her own job over at Collider. She brings absolutely NOTHING to these conversations, and don't care to listen to her opinion AT ALL. If a female must be on the show... try to find someone who knows what they're talking about. I wish Kristian and Josh would start their own podcast, free of the shillycuffs. They're way too good to be on Collider at this point. It's changed a LOT in the past two years.

Roxy loves every movie and clueless about movies.

In short... Yes

@bradwright9477

4 жыл бұрын

No they didn’t. And Lucas isn’t entitled to anything after he sold it

It says it all when they have to speak slowly to her.

I swear he wrote the dialogue for your precious OT 😂

disney gave us fan service retro movie and we ate it up

They created an impression that the treatments would be used. They told George Lucas they would respect his characters and allow them to live in the galaxy he created. In other words they lied!

Star wars been garbage since force awaken.... and people in collider always the first to hype the garbage....

@mewhowhatwherehow7221

4 жыл бұрын

@@JNeedleVids used to watch them but realized they were bought to say positive thing about a garbage product

I didn't mind the way Luke went out because 1, I assumed he'd be back in episode 9 anyway and 2, I didn't expect him to be this uber powerful Jedi when in episode 8 he pretty much said he'd turned his back on the ways and hadn't really been keeping up his training in the Force. Just to project himself took a huge toll on and it made sense that it would. That's like having an athlete retire for years and then ask him to come back and go up against people that are in their prime. I felt he reached a higher status projecting, knowing what it would do to him, in the same ranks of Yoda and even Anakin. The older Jedi way is out and a newer one will present itself in 9, especially when it seems that Luke/Rey had awakened the Force in the end of 8, as seen by the child sweeping with the Force.

Harloff is being over-optimistic with Mandalorian..... Just like he was with TLJ before the movie came out. He used to say "It's Rian Johnson..... it'll be great" Then reality hit him

They did drop the ball with the episodic ones

George had full control for Episodes 1/2. 7/8 are FAR better than those. So I think it’s pretty obvious. Also, now we get regular Star Wars movies/shows with them showing signs of listening to the fans. Lucas would’ve sat on it for two decades again. So Disney is just fine. Not everything is gonna be a hit, but you also don’t have to watch everything. Look at the MCU. Half those movies are mediocre at best, but it just so happens that they have some great ones as well.

No matter what, it's a hot take.

Is "Resistance" even a thing still ? I rarely hear it mentioned

100% they have dropped the ball massively

Abrams bears a lot of responsibility as well for embedding the sequels from the start with OT cameos and plot remixes. Ep7 was the time to approach it like Kristian is saying with a fully conceived arc with new characters set in a familiar world.

The didn’t just drop the ball. They shat on it, burned it, and buried it at sea

Why all the animosity towards Roxy??? I mean... Goddamn!?

I grew up with the prequels, and absolutely loved them, when TFA came out I was expecting George Lucas type story telling, but no we got nothing like that. The score was not epic in nature just a type beat of the OT. The score for the original trilogy fit because of the time it came out in, the prequels added a more epic score and as a kid it connected with me more, the sequels have not connected to me on any level

As Alan Harper once said " I would order a Glass of Crack if it was on the menu" .... My response If I was forced to sit at the same table as Roxy.

Finally some of you at Collider are seeing how bad they treated Lucas and the SW franchise. Ep7 & 8 will not age well imop. TLJ was a disgrace.

@Composer19691

4 жыл бұрын

Mindartis ...I know, right? I unsubscribed months ago to the hacks in Collider... but this title showed up in my feed and I’m like “Huh...?” They’re going to criticize Disney Star Wars?

Can you get some younger people on here that actually like The Last Jedi? Kristian and Fernandez’s negativity is so toxic when it comes to that movie. A whole new generation of Star Wars fans love the new movies.

@kryten09

4 жыл бұрын

Judging by merch sales, reviews and overall fan engagement outside the fanatics... Younger generation isn't nearly as find of SW as the older generations. But since this is the internet, a small but vocal group of fanatics thinks the lager population sides with them. I liked ( not loved) the last Jedi.. Most people I know are indifferent towards it and my nephew's and their friends don't care about it. It's all marvel and fortnite nowadays.

@kryten09

4 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah... Look up star wars toy sales over the last few years.. on a long downward slide.

@casey-capri2914

4 жыл бұрын

I dont know if there are enough people that liked The Last Jedi to fill a panel. It sucked balls.

@user-kt4cg2fn7l

4 жыл бұрын

@@kryten09 Same thing happened during the prequels, though. It's almost scary how similar the drop for the ST is to the drop for the PT.

@user-kt4cg2fn7l

4 жыл бұрын

@@casey-capri2914 That's disingenuous. More people liked it than disliked it. Numbers back that. But we all live in the internet bubble and sometimes we needed to be reminded that there's a world outside of it.

Disney dropped the ball 100%... The sequel trilogy is poorly written, forgettable, does nothing to expand SW lore and mythos, disrespectful to the most iconic characters ever on screen, and the movies are all disconnected The theme park should have been built around classic star wars not the sequel trilogy. Imagine a theme park with Jabbas Palace, the Death star, Mos Eisley Cantina, Dagoba, Endor Moon, Hoth...With Luke, Han, Leia, ewoks, Jabbas rogues gallery walking around the park. A timeless theme park instead of one based on a polarizing movie. Resistance Cartoon is unloved Rogue One was ok

@christophermarabella5683

4 жыл бұрын

Critics love the movies

@thekevinwrightshow7032

4 жыл бұрын

@@christophermarabella5683 That appears to be true. Im just answering Kristian's q about did disney drop the ball?

You really needed 21 min to say, yes they definitely did.

Sorry but yep another comment about Roxy, why is she on this show?