Almost at 100k!!!

@TimothyJRBranch

Жыл бұрын

YESSIR

@zirotsero6951

Жыл бұрын

Can’t Valentine just try to find a Diavolo without a stand or when in his Doppio form, put him in this universe and eventually Diavolo gets tired and of avoiding his other self while fighting

@mr.quirrel4982

Жыл бұрын

HAHAHAH

@TimothyJRBranch

Жыл бұрын

@@zirotsero6951 true true but the chances of that

@jaymercer4515

Жыл бұрын

@Zirotsero That would be nigh impossible as one, Diavolo is far too reclusive and mysterious, and searching for him would just put Valentine in the sights of La Squadra. The second and biggest factor, assuming it's just Valentine vs. Diavolo (as in Doppio did not change into Diavolo right in front of Valentine), Valentine would have no possible way of knowing or finding out that Doppio is Diavolo and the main personality.

I like the idea of Valentine using his stand ability during the timeskip and suddenly becoming aware that he had jumped into a different world without realizing.

@DudeManBoySon2059

Жыл бұрын

John Pork

@error-4269

Жыл бұрын

Moby Dick

@noahabella

Жыл бұрын

Hubb😢t😢😢😂😢😢 g bbhunter

@Zeipio

Жыл бұрын

@@noahabella this speech got me emotional

@H3reditay

Жыл бұрын

@@noahabella fax

Ok, but how does Diavolo fair against Funnier Valentine?

@fathermc249

Жыл бұрын

When the whole Valentine family pulls up: Funny, Funnier, and Funniest.

@prasant6533

Жыл бұрын

fellow jorge joestar reader

@nova_supreme8390

Жыл бұрын

Or the final boss: Gay Valentine.

@dayrocket7372

Жыл бұрын

@@nova_supreme8390 we dont talk about gay valentine

@kn1ght90

Жыл бұрын

Guys I haven't read the light novel so i gotta ask how strong is Funnier Valentine and Funniest Valentine

They both have a lot of similarities, they fight dirty, they control fate, etc

@METAsMETAs

Жыл бұрын

Real

@poketdoom

Жыл бұрын

@@cat3847 which is crazy because King Crimson can overpower the Passione gang with sheer physical strength alone

@aiereeee6223

Жыл бұрын

@Metallica that's what I actually like about Diavolo, he just wants to end things fast, giving a real cryptic mafia Boss vibes

@Jonathan-lz7fp

Жыл бұрын

@@theodresoos when what??

@tailpig6417

11 ай бұрын

This is the reason I believe Diavolo might be a parallel Funny Valentine in the same way as Koichi is a parallel Yasuho. However, that doesn't mean Funny Valentine can use Diavolo as an extra life, since Diavolo already has a Stand, and thus cannot receive D4C

Jojos powerscaling: Strength: child flicking his legs Hacks: multiversal

@bananabanana484

5 күн бұрын

You get it!

Pitting the guy who has infinite amount of lives vs the guy who has an infinite amount of deaths

@wurmrave6831

2 ай бұрын

Thats a pretty funny to think about

@josuen1818

10 күн бұрын

If he dies an infinite amount of deaths, does that mean he has died after 20 years of a happy marriage just do die because he looked at a certain 4 pixels of an image.

Thank you! Feels like literally NO ONE seems to notice valentine's mortality when oneshotted or when prevented from getting between objects like the diego fight Edit: important to note, D4C and KC both manipulate timeLINES as opposed to time TRAVEL. I wonder if epitaph would interact somehow, like Underworld and Burning Down The House.

@captainb.mccrea5480

Жыл бұрын

I love when people just ignore Love Train because it proves Funny Valentine is stronger 😁

@yucatancallejero

Жыл бұрын

@@captainb.mccrea5480 this is King Crimson VS base d4c, no love train bro. King Crimson is just stronger than him without love train, cope

@NotPork

Жыл бұрын

@@captainb.mccrea5480 Even if I was talking about love train, that brings it to a losing stalemate at best.

@MB-eh2kp

Жыл бұрын

Because it’s usually easier said than done. Bro was able to escape using water droplets and he’s survived a lot of things that should have killed him with bs jojo logic. Theoretically he should be able to use even his own clothes

@definitelynotamantis4346

Жыл бұрын

Yeah after reading part 7 it really got put into perspective how over scaled Part 7 usually is in vs battles. Valentine just like Johnny definitely has oneshot potential but without love train if you can just one shot him or are faster than he is by a large margin you've practically won already.

Since the events do happen, Valentine is at a major advantage in that Diavolo can see him hopping dimensions but can't stop him from doing it in many cases. Furthermore, Valentine would keep switching bodies. Not to say this would be an easy battle for Valentine though, he is smart, but it would take a minute to figure out Diavolo's abilities. On the flip side though, Diavolo's Time Erasure seems to only excel against single targets (for counters) When being bumrushed by multiples or in a position where attacking might compromise him, he'd faster retreat. However, not to underestimate King Crimson's strength, I'd say it is one of if not the physically strongest we've seen (Star Platinum does its damage in a barrage of punches, King Crimson donuts and vivisects people with a single strike), it is highly possible Diavolo gets the idea he needs to instantly kill Valentine, and say, uses King Crimson to lop off Valentine's head.

@lisboah

Жыл бұрын

Here's a question. What if Diavolo decides to use King Crimson against D4C itself? Instead of attacking Valentine, he punches a hole through D4C. Valentine gets the hole in his torso as well, and D4C is left weakened and is thus unable to use his ability. And, taking advantage of this, Diavolo crushes Valentine's head.

@enenra6417

Жыл бұрын

​@LISBOAH considering that's Diavolo's second move that'd give Valentine enough time to bring in another Valentine which would make Diavolo skip time and get a safe distance to think wtf just happened

@zoro59611

Жыл бұрын

​@@lisboahkc stood still to long uh oh! He spawned another KC and they got mixed and died

@jaymercer4515

Жыл бұрын

@LISBOAH That's a good question, but given Diavolo's arrogance, that wouldn't be his first move, at least, as we see he immediately goes for a fatal blow to the User that usually isn't instantly fatal in almost all cases. Believing he'd won by that point, the just barely alive Valentine would have just enough time to dimension hop with how lax the activation requirement for D4C is. With Valentine now disappeared, Diavolo would be momentarily shaken, as we've seen him panick quite often when things don't go as he plans (believing Epitaph and Fate to be 100% undefeatable, so something seemingly disregarding that would have him shook for a bit as he tries to process what's going on.). From here, I see two scenarios happening, but both would likely result in Time Skip: Valentine reappearing instantly; or Diavolo regaining his composure and using Epitaph out of paranoia. This would result in him seeing Valentine re-emerge with multiple Valentines after a few moments as Valentine has to gather them. In the case of multiple, Diavolo wouldn't engage as he would think it were a trick. Then, I don't know how the fight would go. Grabbing another Diavolo wouldn't really work, given Diavolo's mysteriousness, reclusiveness, and the fact Valentine wouldn't know Doppio is Diavolo. That last part alone kinda makes the argument of using another dimensional version of him extremely unlikely to actually work.

@emssasukeisunderrated7946

Жыл бұрын

Star Platinum and The World can easily do that in time stop we’ve seen it. A pissed off Jotaro can do a barrage of donut holes to a vampire whose physicals far exceed a humans

These two villains have on their stands the shenanigans, they can do literally anything and it would work! Diavolo with his huge power can kill Valentine in OHKO, but Valentine can switch to other universes if he can have some sorta of surface to pass inside and so every damage is null. Valentine it's also a trickster, he can just spawn with other copies and overwhelmed Diavolo beating him easily. There are so many situations it's impossible to say who can win. On my opinion, Valentine can have high chances to win the fight.

@TotallyNotSena

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you buddy. Imagine though, Diavolo sees a future where he blows up and suddenly grenades start showing up from random places. Like, Valentine could just hide in another dimension and blow him up lol

@scratchsketch1879

Жыл бұрын

I'm of the mind that if Valentine can find a universe with a Diavolo that doesn't own a stand he could just take him hostage and win instantly.

@Afraidofwomen

Жыл бұрын

ti ho visto in un video di fakedub ita. bella.

@il3fortunato664

Жыл бұрын

@@Afraidofwomen Bella!

@awsomno

Жыл бұрын

Here is the thing though with future sight he would just never get caught in valintines traps mobing him wont work as his stand would easily elimate the clones hiting him with an alternate version of himself wouldnt work as he would just see into the future and know not to do that and his stand should be fast enough to catch bullets so that wont work the only thing valintine has is infinite lives which is somewhat countered by precognition as he would see that he is about yo disapear and kill him before he could he would know valintines ever move before he makes it

Diavolo interacting with objects in skipped time happens multiple times. He can do this only if he sees himself performing an attack via Epitaph. Then, even if he activates King Crimson's ability, the attack he is fated to do will still happen regardless. When that happens it's just instant game over for his opponent.

@Far-Reez

Жыл бұрын

So you said. If fate let Diavolo somehow killed Valentine in one shot, Diavolo can skip it?

@leandroandong7400

Жыл бұрын

​@@Far-Reez yup

@widowsxpuser45

Жыл бұрын

@@Far-Reez Exactly. But he doesn't need that anyway. Diavolo litteraly cannot lose no matter what. Only way he can lose is if fate itself intervines in the form of the beetle arrow. Otherwise, he is completely invincible.

@chyumiming.

Жыл бұрын

Is 50/50 chance, i mean, sure, he can do that, but, like in the fight against rissoto, what if he see himself being hurt,risk,

@leandroandong7400

Жыл бұрын

@@chyumiming. he will just erase that moment of time, adjust his position to a favorable spots. He needs to be very cautious about this because he can only skip 10 sec of time and he may accidentally erase nuisances moments and leave that moments he see in Epitaph which is what Diavolo is aware of advicing Doppio to don't us KC ability yet when he see in Epitaph his heads blows up.

I do wonder if Diavolo could possibly avoid being destroyed by his copy self by skipping time, since it kind of takes him outside of reality (unless they both get the same idea and skip into the same place outside of reality)

@Thecumgobler

Жыл бұрын

he definatly could avoid it since during timeskip he isnt part of existance and fate itself anymore

@asmagamer728

Жыл бұрын

Same logic with timestop, but after Time skip ends he will die

@MalosiAudios

Жыл бұрын

I'd like to think both Diavolo's with Epitaph would immediately figure out their both dead if they get close

@catching.rainbows

Жыл бұрын

@@MalosiAudios I didn’t even think of that, that would be pretty cool

@admiralkizaru7925

Жыл бұрын

​@asmagamer728 Wait why will he die?

Imagine Valentine with D4C Love Train VS Diavolo if he got the arrow with King Crimson Requiem.

@nicolasleal5644

Жыл бұрын

King crimson would never get the arrow since that goes against valentine. or the arrow would just reject him sending it to valentine instead. love train literally changes land to give him the advantage and does other crazy shit.

@fanetox2898

Жыл бұрын

THE WORLD

@Thecumgobler

Жыл бұрын

Diavolo can also stand in the barrier of love train and no harm would happen to him, then the misfortune would be sent away to another person

@saifkhan-kc9ec

Жыл бұрын

@@nicolasleal5644 dawg now how love train works it can only manipulate direct misfortune and requiem stands like chariot requiem and ger seem to be stronger/have an major advantage over love train

@theoneaboveall1677

Жыл бұрын

@@Thecumgobler that's not how it works bruh. You need something like the infinite spin to pass the LT barrier, you can't just step into it. The love train light is a dimension in itself not a random beam of yellow light

I just thought of something for Valentine. When he goes to alternate realities, the stand users around him can vary with their abilities. (The, obvious example being Diego having the World in an alternate reality) This could mean there’s three potential states Valentine could find Diego in, within alternate dimensions. Regular Diavolo, Requiem Diavolo, and infinite death Diavolo. The reason I believe these three different types of Diavolo could exist in other dimensions is because, it’s inevitable that they would be worlds were events would lead up to that fate. This is running off the logic that The way Diego got the World is because in that alternate world, he never was affected by scary monsters’ infection. Finding another regular, Diavolo would just cause a normal interaction between the two characters. Finding Requiem Diavolo is more than likely just a losing condition for Valentine. Because of all the evolved villain stands are usually far, far beyond everything else in the verse. (Made in heaven, the world, over heaven, bites the dust in comparison to killer queen) In the opposite case finding infinite death Diavolo could be an instant win condition. Mainly because that death could be funny valentine’s Instant kill. Which Diavolo wouldn’t be able to overcome due to it being fate, because GER. But that’s complete speculation on how alternate realities and versions Diavolo would work.

@goroakechi6126

Жыл бұрын

Remember, Valentine can’t choose the universe he goes to. Getting all of those is gonna take hours, minimum.

@thunderspark1536

10 ай бұрын

​@@goroakechi6126He's got infinite time though. He's the president of the US after all, he's got even more resources than Diavolo could ever hope for. Hell he could probably bride infinite other Diavolos who have their own kcs and say something like "hey want the US to support and keep you going for centuries?" He could do that and have an army of kcs on his side.

What I would like to know is how Valentine would even be able to find another Diavolo from a different universe, since his identity is a secret and finding him is the entire plot of part 5. Can he just make D4C summon a Diavolo? But what if he can only find Dopio. Can a Dopio and Diavolo coexist in a universe since they are not the same soul even though they share the same body?

@fathermc249

Жыл бұрын

It's said in the video, Valentine hops into dimensions where roughly the same thing is happening at the same time and place. If he hops dimensions, he'll most likely find another Diavolo and another Valentine that are fighting or are together in some way, but think about this: There's only One D4C, and we've seen Alternate Universe Johnny's with Tusk, so trying to get a *second* Diavolo to use as a weapon against our Main Diavolo might be a challenge in itself, because you'd probably now have TWO King Crimsons to fight, and if you've inflicted a wound against Main Diavolo, the Alternate one from another Dimension assuming he tries to go and get him, is just a fully healed Diavolo. I can only see Valentine successfully capturing an Alternate Diavolo is by tackling him from behind, because Diavolo probably won't expect someone to just come from the ground. I'd say King Crimson and D4C are roughly the same in strength, as we've seen D4C chopping limbs off as well, but D4C's may be weaker? I only remember him chopping Johnny's hand clean off, but I'd say he'd be able to dice an Arm or Leg off, It can really go either way, but I'd say Valentine could win because of the infinite lives, and if he actually manages to *hit* Diavolo, then he probably can't do much when he lands more overtime, the only challenge is, y'know, hitting Diavolo. Another thing, I'd say Diavolo and an AU Doppio would end up merging, we've seen stuff like a Gun merging, if it's the *same* body, then surely it'll have a negative reaction.

@RealKingFloppa

Жыл бұрын

@@fathermc249 I ain’t reading allat 🗿

@thunderspark1536

10 ай бұрын

​@@fathermc249It's also possible he could find a universe where he lost and be like "hey want immunity from any US investigations?" And just get a kc army that way.

@user-zr7cm3ni3s

9 ай бұрын

@@RealKingFloppa the reason for people exploding is overlapping matter not souls

Just a note that's worth taking: Both of King Crimson's abilities are tied specifically to the timestream of a single universe. As D4C and Valentine can cross different universes and therefore enter into safe spaces that can't be effected by Epitaph or time skip, that's automatically a huge advantage for Valentine.

@error-4269

Жыл бұрын

Bruh when you realized that his abilities are more similar to causality and fate manipulation then having to do anything with time and when you also realize that fate is literally helping him and would only fuck him over if it finds a individual more Worthy like giorno then talk to me my boy instead of speculating what is connected to the time stream or not you should try to connect your meet with some 🐩🙇‍♀️s

@KingOfFools784

Жыл бұрын

@@error-4269 I am not reading that long ass sentence

@error-4269

Жыл бұрын

@@KingOfFools784 lazy ahhh slow ahhh failed Kindergarten look ahhh ni¶¶a how is that long? i can read like 700 words in 6 minutes and understand what is happening on the page you should be able to read and Digest that information in seconds.

@purplehaze2358

Жыл бұрын

@@error-4269 I have literally no idea what you're going on about. I'm used to.. subtly unhinged rants in the replies of my comments, but yours is particularly intriguing.

@Thecumgobler

Жыл бұрын

that is an asumption

I like to imagine a situation where Funny figures out epitaph and purposefully brings in another-self to get it killed and so Diavolo turns confident, Like when he saw himself Killing GER. So in the 11-12 second mark, Valentine can strike. I don't really know If that would win him the match but it's interesting to think about the shenanigans these two could keep bringing to keep a fight going, classic Araki style.

Confusion vs confusion.

@goldenboilelz6945

3 ай бұрын

Con- *skip* -on vs confusion confusion confusion confusion confusion

What stops Valentine from just going to new universes and coming back with like 100 Valentines to all just run at Diavolo at the same time. I feel like Valentine is smart enough to also use this as an opportunity to gain more information on King Crimson's abilities and it's limitations and maybe even come up with some sort of plan to beat it.

@sup_ernova

Жыл бұрын

By the time he gets 100 Valentines, Diavolo will get bored and leave ngl.

@mystrenula3911

Жыл бұрын

Better yet 100 Diavolos who never unlocked King Crimson littered around the field, you can't be in time skip forever and if you're out for a second in that environment you're dead

@lazyapple_

Жыл бұрын

@@sup_ernova I would assume in this scenario both parties are trying to kill each other no matter the cost, so maybe Diavolo would try to set a trap for Valentine but I doubt that he would expect 100 Valentines to show up out of nowhere lol.

@Facebones2391

Жыл бұрын

If they all came at the same time, it would be within the span of timeskip. However Valentine just needs to summon 11 diavolos, one a second, nearby him. They don't have to rush him, they attract one another.

@Thecumgobler

Жыл бұрын

What you forgot is that Funny valentine needs to visit 100 dimensions to get 100 valentines, and that Diavolo could follow him into the dimension. after the 4rd dimension and with epitath diavolo has him probally figured out

Diavolo specializes in single death blows. He could probably blow Valentines entire head off in one blow. If that isn't an "instant kill", idk what is

Of all the villain fights, this is the one I'd wanna see the most. I gotta ask... Would dragging numerous Diavolos into the same reality be a benefit or a hinderance for Funny Valentine? I mean, I can see multiple King Crimsons using their Time Skips to prevent alternate reality Diavolos from touching, and then we just have two or more measurably stronger stands able to gang up on D4C. Also, can D4C be destroyed separate from Funny Valentine? I mean, the main rule is that a stand user needs to be taken out to take out the stand, but D4C is a separate case where the stand can jump to a new user... Kinda like Anubis from part 3. If D4C can be destroyed, maybe after losing one host but before it can attach to another, then that further synchs it for Diavolo as King Crimson's able to out-stat D4C and pummel 'em.

I was waiting for this video 🔥

W vid like always🔥

Araki should do a what if series like this, possibly doing two parts for each fight, with each part being a different winner

8:27 diavolo can’t interact with anything during time skip but you are probably referring to stuff like Trish’s hand getting cut off but diavolo didn’t do that fate said Trish’s hand was going to get cut off diavolo saw this in this future vision and since he knew this was going to happen in the next 10 seconds he skipped the time and events of him cutting of Trish’s hand and only the results of Trish’s hand getting cut off were left same when narancia died diavolo saw he was going to die and skipped the events that needed to happen in order for him to die only leaving narancia’ death diavolo also tried this in the G.E.R fight he saw giorno was going to die so he tried to skip time so he would just die but giorno used G.E.R to reverse diavolo’s time skip and actions to catch him off guard and kill him

i love your theory‘s. You just earned a new sub! i hope you reach 100k very soon! love y‘all

Okay this video finna be nuts 😂😭

very excited to see how this turns out

Diavolo one shots if Valentine can’t use Love Train

@error-4269

Жыл бұрын

*He

If the Universe and Reality itself doesnt like two objects in one place, does that mean if diavolo touches another diavolo while in timeskip, he will still explode, since reality is a greater being than that of time itself?

@dopaminvitamin

Жыл бұрын

Yep. I think even Giorno would explode.

Funny Valentine to Diavolo: "I can die indefinitely, you will die indefinitely. We are not the same."

Cold off the jump thoughts, provided we’re talking base D4C and not D4C Love Train I think I gotta give this fight to Diavolo. Epitaph and time skip is pretty cracked.

I think (with the amount of time he can burn through with clones) Valentine would figure out decently quickly that Diavolo has Epitaph. And once Valentine uses some more dimension hopping to figure out the specifics, he can bait out an epitaph > Timeskip combo and blitz the man with 18 different Valentines

@Thecumgobler

Жыл бұрын

The thing is people think funny valentine can just magically bring clones. Bro has to go to each dimension and he can be followed there

@thunderspark1536

10 ай бұрын

​@@ThecumgoblerNo, he can't. We've explicitly seen that valentine can CONTROL who he brings in or not.

It could go either way. Depending on why they're fighting. Diavolo might trying running away if he can't just 1 shot him.

I think Funny Valentine wins. The main reason being that the future king crimson sees has the exact faults of Oingo's book: you see what is happening, but only from one point of view. He can see "in 10 seconds, Valentine will try to stab [me] in the back" but there is no way of knowing which Valentine is the one trying to do it. He can skip all he wants, but he can't kill more than one Valentine at a time. Thus, he can't maintain the momentum he needs to win. He'll either get fatigued out, or lose due to failing to interpret the future properly.

heys metas i am enjoying your jojo videos and i been thinking of a cool idea for a side story which delves into more of how things are with the speedwagon foundation. we never got a clear look at the group itself. i think it be cool to see how it was ran, maybe like from the prospective of an agent who does behind the scenes work like finding the evidence of the stand arrows for jotato for part 4 or investigating ancient pillar man village sites

@METAsMETAs

Жыл бұрын

Mmmmmm this is a good idea

@justan324

Жыл бұрын

@@METAsMETAs also i was thinking about that its shown that before and during part 3 that joseph was the director of the speedwagon foundation, then sometime before part 4 jotaro is made director. which would show why both of them was able to access the foundations resources with ease. could be a idea for a video if you wanna use it too

Good video

I love hearing about Diavolo, he's one of my favorites from JoJo and I adore his Stand and it's ability. I'm gonna give this win to Diavolo, there's just no counter to being able to skip past anything you don't like and being able to predict whatever shenanigans Funny would try, no matter how many Funny there are. Funny is busted, but Diavolo is on a whole-nother-level. Funny would've been the one to start the fight since he gotta take the napkin, but Diavolo would end it. EDIT: Based on the argument that Funny could bring another Diavolo and make them come into contact. Remember what that means, it means there are two King Crimsons with Epitath that can see that it's a bad idea to touch since they would die; so Time Skip it and gain distance. Based on the argument that Funny could predict 11 seconds ahead and make a killing move; just Time Skip it and monologue about how nothing affects you while King Crimson is active. How is Funny even gonna be able to kill him when he can Skip bad outcomes, meanwhile Diavolo just needs one proper instant kill to end it. It would be the toughest fight ever for Diavolo though, I can imagine him saying something like ''I suppose your ability is not trash, but it is insignificant when compared to KINGU CURIMSON NO NORYOKU, the apex.'' Also when he cut Giorno's arm, in the anime you can see the Time Skip ended at the moment of contact. And that time against Giorno's body, remember that everyone looked away from him the moment the Time Skip happened, I think he did it using his A speed stat. If he did have the ability to interact with objects during Time Skip, then he's even more broken beyond belief. Lastly, think about it, if both figured each other's ability out, who would have the advantage? Knowing that someone can predict the future perfectly, can Skip any death and doesn't have a counter will only hammer home how effed one is fighting this Beast of a Stand. Funny's dimension hopping trick can only work against two surfaces, so Diavolo just decapitates him the moment Time Skip ends before Funny can counter. Just, THINK ABOUT IT; *Diavolo can predict 10 seconds ahead, and on top of that, he can Skip 10 seconds; he has 20 seconds of absolute security.* Funny doesn't technically have extra lives, there are just an infinite number of him in each universe; that's why instant death works on him, it's over if he can't bring any extras in. Funny can put up more of a fight than almost any JoJo character, but in the end he just doesn't have luxury of instant kill working on Diavolo, because he'll know when it happens and he can Skip it; if an ability doesn't counter Time Skip, he can just pull the ''I erased 0.5 seconds of time'' to avoid anything. If Doppio is the one to start the fight I can see Funny easily stomping, but this is Diavolo vs Funny, and King Crimson is invincible. To bring up the age old ''Time Skip Vs Time Stop'' debate, I just want to bring to everyone's attention that Epitath can see what happens after stopped Time Stop ends; and if he would die from that attack, he'd be able to Skip that death. DIO could likely beat Diavolo, but Diavolo would beat Funny Valentine or Jotaro. Kind of funny since DIO actually did lose against Jotaro and would likely lose against Funny too. Do you see now? King Crimson was born to be on the apex of this world! The only reason it was defeated was because Time Skip itself was nullified, without stopping Time Skip; there's no stopping King Crimson. Love the video! Have a Like! Sorry I can't subscribe twice.

I agree that diavolo wins but you don't understand king crimson 1 he doesn't interact with anything during time skip at the end of part 5 fate does it for him he removes the cause and leaves the effect fate does the cause for him 2 he doesn't have a cooldown on his ability like Star Platinum does for example and he can use Epitaph inside of time skip actually his ability is more similar to causality manipulation then skipping time but that is a another debate entirely 3 the stats difference if you wank the hell out of both character Funny Valentine is barely faster-than-light and his AP and durability is only multi-city block level + on the other hand diavolo has immeasurable++ stats you can scale him off GER which you would have to scale off MIH so MIH has immeasurable speed GER surpasses MIH and has the same stats king crimson absolutely destroyed GER in a future prediction but obviously GER said NO that never happened because of his hax but he still had to punch diavolo multiple times to kill him it is my personal Theory that Diavolo got those stats at the end of golden wind when he had his resolve boost when he overcame his fear and decided not to run away that's just a speculation though but yes Diavolo wins.

Valentine was able to find out Tusk Act 4's ability extremely quickly, he states something along the lines of "shoot me with another bullet of the opposite direction, I can still save them"

Video invalidated Diavolos loss is one of his infinite deaths therefore making it cannon and the only true way that this fight will end. Unless in the death he beats valentine and then trips and breaks his neck. Wait. Technically they both win because there will be a diavolo death in which it happens one of both ways at some point.

8:32 what i think happens with Narancia, is shown when meeting Polnareff. what i think happened, is that he was destined to say all of those things to Polnareff by Epitath, we the audience hear him saying "this is a test" monologue, but Polnareff only hears "This is a test, wouldnt you agree" because he was destined to turn into Diavolo in those seconds, the fact that he skipped time didnt affect himself, so he was able to take his shirt off and turn into Diavolo. This is also backed up by the fact Polnareff was confused from where Diavolo appeared because he saw a kid down with Bruno. Without Time Skip, he would have saw from the beggining Doppio turning into Diavolo. Later he still figured it out, which i belive was part of fate to Polnareff to figure out how Diavolo and Doppio worked. Now what i belive happened with Narancia, is that he saw from Epitath he was going to kill Narancia, he skipped time, and that event happened without moving a finger because it was destined to happen. This also explains the elevator scene with Bruno and Thrish too

I think I remember someone who said if you didn't understand King Crimson the simplest explanation was to think of it like skip a video in youtube by 10 seconds. the footage still exists and what happened still happened but you the viewer/victim has no knowledge of the skipped footage and what happened during.

I spent like a week or 2 arguing with a guy on how diavolo his the only main villain with a chance to beat love train and you make a video about it, can't wait to watch, btw my conclusion is a stalemate bc diavolo dodges everything with time erase and epitaph while d4c stays unharmed bc of love train

I remember hearing a summary of the Who Shot Johnny Joestar? arc. I feel I should put emphasis on the "hearing" part because I could not listen; I lost track of the spaghetti of information about 1/4th of the way through and everything after that went into one ear and out the other.

Can you make a smash or pass video on the stand designs and or abilities? That would be sick

I gotta give it to Diavolo, I can see during the fight Valentine brings an alternate Diavolo but using Epitaph he'd know *"Oh crap im going to die if I get close to myself."* and evade. And that alternate Diavolo probably has Epitaph too, so then he'd know not to come close too Despite the chaos & shenanigans Valentine can create hopping through dimensions, and even pulling multiple Valentines, but I believe Diavolo can weather the storm. WIth Epitaph, Time Erasure & the sheer power to overwhelm Polnareff is enough to put him ahead.

@KyoryuDiabolos

Жыл бұрын

That’s assuming if the alternate Diavolo also has the same stand. Diego didn’t so it all comes down to who can get around the other other’s ability first.

@Aaa-vp6ug

3 ай бұрын

Both would have to use KC but that’s neither here more there

8:22 What are you talking about? In that scene he's shown clearly outside of the skipped time attacking Giorno...

All Funny Valentine would have to do is just bring a second diavolo in, easy one shot.

@Saibotedits747

2 ай бұрын

Epitaph

Just saw the vid with the comment that inspired this vid - nice 😎

Hey, What Would Happen If Dio Used The Red Stone mask Of Aja?, im subbed so i can get notified

very cool

Metas, please make a video on Jotaro vs Johnny. Please, man! I really need to know whta you think about this. It will be great to hear your opinion on it.

I wrote an entire essay here talking about how bad KC really is,but deleted it and instead I will just give Valentine's ultimate winning condition. It's confirmed that liquid counts as an object that can activate D4C. If it rains during the fight Diavolo is permanently f*cked. He would constantly summon his clones and Diavolo needs to be damaged only once for his performance to drastically decrease, imagine Valentine landing a shot on his leg,Diavolo is f*cked.

Thing is is funny valentine leaves the dimension they are in i am pretty sure epitaph would just see his disappearing and if he tried to erase time it wouldnt effect funny valentine while he is in that other dimension meaning like he could trick epitaph by just sending a clone to attack and then attacking right after in many different ways. Funny valentine may also just run away and when diavolo chases after him and crosses through that portal he just runs into a clone and insta dies. Remember that like funny valentine also comes packing heat with guns so he does have that as a advantage just having a buncha clones who shoot one a sec making it so that no matter when he time skips to he is going to have to get shot. Theirs also a good chance that just clone spam could tire diavolo mentally where valentine is fine since he can just change to a fresh body and then he looses due to that. Also a big one it seems that he can also trap people in the middle of objects so they are in both dimensions. This might mess with his timeskip and epitaph as he would have to skip time in 2 different worlds and see 2 different fates so it could half his ability while stuck messing him up a lot both mentally and ability wise.

8:20 it's the same thing about the elevator thing If someone was destined to get his arm cut by diavolo and time erasure is activated, the arm would be cut the same way, but diavolo doesn't need to do the attack

I have a video suggestion. Ikuro Hashizawa aka Baoh vs Kars two rounds One is Kars base form and another round with Ultimate Life Form Kars

The two best villains with the two most notoriously complicated stands

I think it would be funny if Diavolo saw himself and he would just be like "It's time for a liitle trolling" and then he would proceed to do the whole touching your future self (pause) projection on Valentine

Love Train D4C vs. (hypothetical) King Crimson Requiem would be even more whack

If you see this Can you explain the fence thing on how he manged to impale someone there or was that just fate or him. Also why can kc spray blood in people eyes during time skip

I agree both are tied with both being able to come out victorious either way, I think one thing to consider is Valentine requires prep time, not long but seconds in order to put himself between something to pull out more of himself. With Epitath I think Diavolo would be able to see where Valentine would be going to smush himself and or maybe even see Valentine go into another dimension

Do you think we'll hqve a sbr adaptation? Can you make a video abt this?

This is an awesome video but now the question that I always try to find an answer is: The World vs King Crimson. Who would win?

@louiscarl7629

Жыл бұрын

I think the world, because once the you figure out time erase, all you need to do is stop time right after the time erase concludes.

One thing to consider is if Epitaph actually helps here. It seems that, as it simply reads fate in Diavolo's timeline, it would give nothing but false information (or no information at all) the moment Diavolo would be transferred to a different timeline by D4C -- something we know can happen pretty much instantaneously, and without the person even realizing it, woth a very loose requirement for it (being between two surfaces -- which can even just include two droplets of water as we learned in the fight in the rain). If that's the case, as suggested by Diavolo's grandstanding and other info we're given, then Diavolo is actually in a pretty rough situation. If it would take him more than 10 seconds to realize he's in another world, or the fight goes into an alleyway, or water/blood splashes around for 10.1 seconds, or anything like that, he's getting moved, and suddenly his reliance on Epitaph is either no help or actively a *hindrance*, giving him false information and making him jump the gun with time skips. And thinking about it, being moved isn't an interaction, the way D4C does it -- it's just moving from point A to B through a temporary portal. There's a good chance that time skip wouldn't prevent it, since it's not a physical interaction. That all said, i dont think this clinches it for Valentine -- it just makes it more of a 50/50. KC is still ridiculously powerful compared to D4C, but moving a timeline reader to one they can't read is going to massively disorient them, and leave them much more open to blunders and attacks -- and even moreso when we know how Diavolo instantly panics when Epitaph gives wrong or misleading information.

Valentine gets blitzed

@error-4269

Жыл бұрын

Agreed finally a man with sense.

@KaizenisMajestic22

Жыл бұрын

Valentine Love train > diavolo

@yucatancallejero

Жыл бұрын

@@KaizenisMajestic22 Diavolo >>> base valentine

@gentilhomme6696

Жыл бұрын

Valentine is invincible. If diavolo defeats him, he will just transfer his memory to a clone, amongst his stand. With enough trys, he will beat the boss.

@sup_ernova

Жыл бұрын

@@gentilhomme6696Not if he gets killed before doing that though.

The big thing I think is that it's not just D4C vs King Crimson, the real strength of nearly every Stand is in its user, and Valentine is straight up the strongest Stand user in the entire series. Johnny made this point after Diego was killed, that as dangerous as D4C is, the real reason Valentine won was his decisiveness and his absolute lack of hesitation in making whatever sacrifice or gambit is needed, even ones as brutal as throwing himself under a moving train just to bring his opponents with him. Diavolo is certainly pretty strong as a Stand user even aside from the power of King Crimson, but Valentine is in a league of his own

They can both win so rlly Depends on the writing. Diavolo can time skip donut u or head chop for instant kill, and Valentine can bring another u for instant kill too. Valentine can body hop which gives him the edge harder to kill permanently. Would love to see them fight, wana see diavolo win

I was honestly thinking it was gonna be a wash but Diavolo can hold his own in this MU

Bro this is just like Wonder of you VS GER there is no clear winner and its all up to interpretation 😅but still an amazing video

If you meant he interacted in time erasure with his blood, I have a theory. I think its like with crazy diamond, and once the blood exits and gets off his body, it is no longer a part of his body, and could then interact with the people and evironment.

I’m sure if 6 Valentines is no problem under 10 seconds but what about 20 or 100? I don’t think even with King Crimson, can Diavolo maneuver around a mob of the same person all with the intent to kill him with D4C transferring each time and all they have to do is tag him with an alternate version of Diavolo, who’s probably confused to what’s going on. The alternate version probably won’t have the same stand though since Diego didn’t but it could go either way.

two of the most confusing stands ong this is gonna make my brain explode 😭

What if because diovolo is technically two people the ability doesn’t work or takes out just one of the personalities so the one shot of D4C doesn’t work? Or he uses epitaph and finds out before hand. Or if dopio meets diovolo or the diovolo that valentine brings doesn’t have dopio so he wouldn’t get erased? But that would only apply if epitaph is dopio’s ability or he controls a portion of that ability. I’m genuinely interested on the video you would make.

On the Diavolo side, there's also the weird physics/metaphysics involved with him being a second soul inside Doppio. This fact messed with Silver Requiem's soul-swapping power and there's the potential for it to mess with other stuff. Like if Funny Valentine tries to destroy Diavolo with an alternate universe clone, but only finds a clone of Doppio without Diavolo in him as well, or Diavolo's alternate universe body is someone completely different. Or in an extremely weird case, we find that in one universe there's a Funny Valentine with that universe's Diavolo inside his head... which would probably result in the two Diavolo souls canceling each other out while leaving the Doppio and possessed Valentines physically unharmed (or destroying them as collateral damage). I mean, there's no guarantee one way or another, but it's just another odd thing that could result in a twist during a battle between the two.

Take a drink everytime Meta says Diavolos name wrong

Btw, if your referring to the part where narancia dies when you say diavolo can interact in skipped time. I don’t think it does since it seems that in skipped time the actions diavolo would have done still exist, so diavolo saw that he would kill narancia with epitaph, and skipped to after he had killed him. So he’s didn’t actually interact with narancia in skipped time

3:23 Good thing funny valentine doesn't know of ultimate versions of himself like if he did then he would just swap bodies with ultimate life form version of himself making him broken

I think funny takes this overall his hacks are much better and as we’ve seen diavolo’s time erase isn’t unbeatable. We’ve seen people put up counters to it in the case of his second fight with polnareff and Bruno. Another thing to consider is diavolo’s only instant death was with the help of chariot requiem against narancia. All other deaths, those being abbachio, polnareff, and Bruno, all had time to do a final action against diavolo. This is all without bringing clones into the mix which could allow Valentine to gain information or the ability to transport parts of himself between dimensions to avoid attacks. My last point is a bit of a hypothetical. If there are two diavolo’s on the field, could he even skip past it as the only one who can interact in time erase is diavolo but would that apply to this other diavolo. It’s sad we’ll never get to see anything like this as we’ll never get to see what happens when two people erase time.

I used to not get King Crimson until I read something somewhere that his stand is essentially a disconnect of the Ends and the Means. If the Means create an undesirable End, he can just disconnect the two causal events so that the means do not manifest those ends. And this is how Gold Experience Requiem works but in reverse. By setting things to 0, it guarantees that the ends are always the same, no matter what means happen the end cannot be changed. King Crimson's ability is to disconnect means from ends. Gold Experience Requiem's ability is to make the means irrelevant by assuring the same end every time. It's why it's the perfect counter to King Crimson. If his ability is to skip the means, but the means are made redundant, then his ability is basically turned off, locking him in a loop of fate/destiny, unable to escape or skip over it.

Really just boils down to one question: Does time skip and epitaph work in just this dimension, or all? If it's just this one, funny wins due to KC not being to see other dimensional funny's pulling a sneak attack. If it doesn't, Diavolo can see funny jumping dimensions... Predict then merk.

Diavolo can definitely attack during timeskip. Narancha felt that one. He can choose between being intangible and being able to punch your during timeskip. Or seemingly both.

I was going to point out the fact that it took tusk act 4 to beat Valentine, not because of love train but because of the fact that infinite rotation can follow D4C anywhere anyhow, but then I remembered it took Gold experience requiem to take out Diavolo since he can just skip past most attacks we know of in jojo Another point, though, is how they fight, I dont remember Valentines fighting style too much, but I know that Diavolo does a lot more killing than actual fighting. He never engages in long-term fights. He tries to end the fight as quickly as he can using lethal chops and impaling tactics and neglects longevity. Thanks to his ability, he can leave the defence up to future sight and time erasure. Against a stand whose only way of killing it is a near instant death, Diavolos' style of fighting can work quite well against Valentine

Diavolo can interact with things during timeskip as long as its fated to happen

@hainguyn948

Жыл бұрын

No he can't, he literally said it himself

@hydrasent563

Жыл бұрын

@@hainguyn948 how did he cut off trish's hand and kill narancia then?

@hainguyn948

Жыл бұрын

@@hydrasent563 he didn't interact with them, but since they are fated to happen, he time skip and it happened

@hydrasent563

Жыл бұрын

​@@hainguyn948 I guess that makes sense.

Diavolo being able to damage others in time skip is probably because he involves himself in the skip. The reason he was able to take Trish in the elevator was because he was fated to. So he skips time and what he does plays out as it would have. Basically what I'm saying is Diavolo has two options: Erase time by going into a sort of "spectator mode" and watching everything play out while nothing affects him Or Skip time by skipping his own actions and only leaving his results.

its all hypothetical but i think just the fact that diavolo can use epitaph to see what he usually wouldn't be able to see i.e. invisible rissoto, he could erase time then avoid all other valentine obstacles and distractions and get close enough in range to attack before he knew it. if valentine did send a alternate diavolo to present diavolo its likely timeskip would allow the alternate version to hit the erased version of diavolo hence it would be likely it would cancel out the clone leaving the actual diavolo safe. Now D4c love train that's another rodeo.

8:29 this only happens if said thing is fated to happen. This is how "Diavolo" cut off Trish's hand while breaking through the elevator and killed Naranica with the gate. It was was technically fate that did it so it's basically just some weird stupid loophole.

The who shot johnny arc made me explode

My head couldn't even comprehend time stop vs. time skip and expect me to understand this-

I'm still pissed by the fact Diavolo just somehow violated the rules of his own stand to somehow impale our orange boy

@IciWhy

Жыл бұрын

Narancia? Narancia was destined to die, so Diavollo didn't really needed to appear physically there and cheated out by time erasing.

Diavolo is literally invincible and unbeatable only GER can really stop him

@shirogami4224

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and moon is made out of cheese.

@error-4269

Жыл бұрын

​@@shirogami4224 and your name is actually Shinigami.

I hope I'm not asking something that was said (bad memory lol) but is Funny Valentine subject to the rule of their being two in the same area that cause others like Diego to merge in on themselves?

Now that we know this… don’t be shy make one with d4c love train :>>>>>>>>

Wtf why aren't i subscribed to you???( i have been for over an year )

Now make a video explaining how Funny Valentine lost all his weight and became buff in the span of a few panels.

i could be wrong but if there are multiple universes with the same person but with a different personality or not have a stand that means there could be a universe where dio has made in heaven or other stands as his main stand the same could also be said with other characters that you want just a theory but it could be true

can we get more stand/character match ups?

In my personal opinion, I would go with Valentine, only due to the point you brought up with the confusion factor of beinging in another Diavolo. But another point I believe is that, and dont quote me exactly cuz i havent really read all of SBR yet, but what if Valentine could just like.. pull in multiple other Diavolo from other universes? If im wrong about the last statement, please dont get like super super mad at me bros, I haven't read it all okay :')

Hey metas here is a mistake that you made in the video about peak dio vs peak jotaro which is that they can fly and if you’re wondering why jotaro did not use flight again well ykyk and if you don’t know the answer is well araki just forgot about it

I wonder if pre-cog would even work. Given that prediction was only on this dimension & Valentine is not really part of this dimension given he can replace himself. Yet would he need it? I do wonder if time skip could let him skip another ver of himself exploding him as if he can skip that time & the interaction was short, would the other Diavolo even effect the main Diavolo or would they both need to use skip at the same time to interact with each-other? It is not like Valentine can force both Diavolos to use a skip, & he would need to get lucky & there for Diavolo could also get Lucky more often & the other Diavolo would not know to use skip & could not react as fast. I also wonder how fast Valentine can switch to a new body & if he could do so with in a time skip. It is unclear to me if time skip stops him from switching until the end of the skipped time.

Could you please do this with star plat and ger or just comment pn this because I am a bit conflicted of wether return to zero would work in time stop or not. I think that rtz would not work in time stop because no other forces than the time stopper and the time stoppers actions is able to exist if you understand what I mean. I still think that GER/Giorno would win because of the stats although there is still the p6 star platinum statement about it being the strongest. Please inform me with your godlike knowledge and no hate pls.