Very fancy tool. Here i am trying to diagnose vehicles with a stick and a rock.

@scientist100

3 жыл бұрын

Jaja, te la jalaste 😅

@jcmobilediagnostics8611

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t underestimate the tap test!

I need to spend a year with this guy working with him every day! Good find as usual.

@calimesacox

3 жыл бұрын

I have watched every video he has done and find myself pulling info ou of my head and recall the great information he has taught.

@euroauto61

3 жыл бұрын

We all do

Keep them coming they are great training videos and references when we get stuck on stupid thank you for the time you give to your fellow techs that take the time to learn

awesome way to approve a problem. Logic first and then step by step. I like it.

I really like your methodical approach. I tend to second guess myself at times like this, with so many inputs affecting the ECU an it’s output. But you never flinch. It is just awesome Bernie. Thanks so much

Great Video all the right checks performed. Really nice scope ! Thank you for sharing.

top notch work as always ! the art on the back of that hummer is epic lol

Exactly what we needed to make a FAR more accurate diagnosis of an ECM, Or any module for that matter. Thanks Bernie 😎👍

Get down Mr. Thompson ! Thank you for sharing your methodical approach

Very impressive and in depth diagnosis. Instead of throwing parts on it hoping for the best. Pretty sure a new ECU isn’t cheap.

Great video ,thanks for sharing your knowledge Rob mobileman

Dang!! U r the bee's knees. Super diag. What a great tech!! Light years above most all. I'm learning at the foot of the Maestro

@EXOVCDS

3 жыл бұрын

Top notch... VW content to boot!

Great video Bernie .Thanks for sharing

well done, Bernie. Hi level diagnose.

Wow......so good.......best diagnostic guy

Thanks for sharing Bernie... Cheers.

Bernie on another level

Using the EScope causes you to think differently about the data. In a sense it forces you to look at the big picture and not get distracted. Very impressive. Thanks!

@EXOVCDS

3 жыл бұрын

That's the tool I should have bought... instead of all that snap-on junk. Ok, I do love my vantage pro... simple quick easy to use tool. This though, truly is the "one tool does all" (once you master it). =)

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

3 жыл бұрын

I love how Bernie just busts out the scope and uses all 8 channels...BEAST MODE!

Sir...you are very Good!

Great job. Thank you.

Nice work sir

Bernie I love your videos. Be nice to see info that the ecu was replaced and it actually fixed the vehicle. Otherwise these squiggly lines don't hold any weight. This a a summary, not a fix. Mind you, a very high probability that the ecu will fix the car, but unless the ecu is replaced we do not know for sure.

great video ...not a easy diagnoses to make in the shop....there is always some doubt of did i miss something

good info thanks

Awesome !

Awesome

Chido. Mi. Buen. Bernie

The injector you didn't look at has a partially shorted coil when cold causing the voltage regulator for the injector drivers in the ecm to overload and shut down. ----I doubt it, but that's how it would work for me.

Is there any data that we can take a look for those who only have a scanner?

Awesome stuff! As much as I trust that you were right about the cause here, Bernie, the only lingering question: was the computer actually seeing the cam signal at the computer during the stall. You checked the cam signal at the sensor, but not at the computer. Was there something in the data that lead you to rule that out without checking. I’m just thinking that an open in the cam signal before it hit the computer could have been a factor!? Yes? No?

Have you checked ECM relay #460?

which eventually was the cause?

2007 Rabbit 2.5 stalling and at times does,t want to start. 186,000. No codes. Also I ran it for about 2 months with Netflix piping bad so I think it probably affected some things underneath the hood doing so. Ideas. Appreciate

My old Ford focus used to do this. I took it to the dealer and they fixed it, not sure what they did but I think they said some thing with the ground. Unfortunately, it came back within a year.

@kennedysgarage3281

3 жыл бұрын

I had this issue recently on a focus it was the PCM/ECU. You will need an ECU kit ECU, instrument cluster & key. The blade can be changed from the old key to the new one. Hope this helps

@sjn7220

3 жыл бұрын

@@kennedysgarage3281 Thanks. I got rid of that car long ago. I remember the dealer saying something about ECU needing to be reprogrammed and something about a bad ground. They didn't replace the ECU but then again the fix didn't last more than a year. This was a 2000 model, I got rid of it in 2009 with 230k+ miles on it (original timing belt too).

Damm! This is just not old theory but actually good testing methods. As for the power and grounds more detail how was it hook up?

@wrenchposting9097

3 жыл бұрын

Probably backprobed at the ECU. SchrodingersBox has a good video on how this is done.

I wish i could afford that fancy scope and scanner.

@euroauto61

3 жыл бұрын

Can't afford not to in today's cars nlol

great job Bernie the amp clamp on pcm power or ground?

@David-lq2xg

2 жыл бұрын

pwr, he's checking for shorts, current can go through case or other pins, not necessary ground

My wife's car is a 2015 vw gti and we started having this issue since August 2022 and it has been to the VW dealership 3 times for the same issue and they couldn't figure it out. We got it back in mid December and it ran fine for a month and now it's doing it again and we are going to get rid of it tomorrow. Sometimes the engine would stall on us going 55mph and then pull over and the car wouldn't start. And after 10 minutes it will just start like normal and some other times it wouldn't start and we had to get it towed.

@aislinnleblanc8019

Жыл бұрын

THIS EXACT THING IS HAPPENING TO MY TDI. NO ONE CAN FIGURE IT OUT

@aislinnleblanc8019

Жыл бұрын

I mean not exact but similiar

Where do i get an automotive 8 channel scope for less than 11ty billion dollars

What is the likely issue if the car is doing the opposite? Fine on cold start up, stalls when warm

@aislinnleblanc8019

Жыл бұрын

Did you ever find out??

WHY WOULD WE HAVE HIGH VACUUM LOADS? WHAT WOULD CAUSE HIGH VACUUM?

and finally channel 1000 connected to the rim

Everyone double and triple checks to make sure the computer is at fault. Can this also be caused by a wiring issue that it opens when hot? Thanks.

vw produced in 2011 with indirect fuel injection system (petrol engines ), injectors are fired individually, it's hard to believe that all the injectors are shut at once at the same time while the ECU is still receiving input signal from CMP and CKPS, and the ECU power supply and ground are okay, without any proof just simply confirmation of the ECU malfunction is not the appropriate way ,most of the time engine stalls when it is cold due to the fuel filter blockage particularly with indirect fuel injection system on petrol engines. Air filter and mass air flow sensor should have also been taken to consideration,either the injectors blockage, fuel pressure, fuel lifting pum operation too.

@MrS22222

3 жыл бұрын

The proof is in this video.

@zochpeter

2 жыл бұрын

and the well known vw fuel pump relay - cracked solder joints. That relay feeds power to injectors as well. I personally would not judge faulty ECU so quickly.

After nearly a year of diagnostic and (wrongly) throwing parts at my car, I have a feeling this is exactly what is happening in my 2011 jetta se

@X100PRE

2 жыл бұрын

What was it?

@MrS22222

2 жыл бұрын

@@X100PRE exactly this. The ecu crapped out.

@rubyperez1892

2 жыл бұрын

This is happening to my car I’ve tooken it to 5 mechanics they can’t figure it out

@MrS22222

2 жыл бұрын

@@rubyperez1892 can pretty much guarantee the ecu is bad, it's really hard to catch like this guy did.

@thecommenter7201

Жыл бұрын

Have you tried updating ECU firmware to later versions, like one released in 2014??

Still one question remain unclear: Why the car seems to run better or stalls less when it's warmed up??!!!

@jakewrxdrift

3 жыл бұрын

I guess would be a bad solder joint in the ECM. Expands and then makes better contact once the engine bay warms up...

Wait, how did he know it was a computer??…I missed that part…did he verify every other possibility, or he found a smoking gun?

I don't think that is nearly conclusive enough to determine a computer replacement. I'd have to confirm every requirement is met for the injectors to fire. If all conditions are met then see if the command is leaving the computer, at the computer. You measured injector pulse at the injector. There can be faults between the computer and injectors that could pull the entire system down. Not sure if that system has a minimum fuel pressure requirement... but man would that be silly to replace a computer when a fuel filter is plugged, or a fuel pump is weak, or a return valve is malfunctioning. Granted some of those faults I would expect some error codes, but I'm not familiar with VW and would certainly take some time familiarizing myself.

@TheMasterHackUS

3 жыл бұрын

Fairly certain that it would set a fault if there was an issue with fuel pressure. However I am much more familiar with the di VW engines than the 2.5. And with all 5 injectors shutting down I would think ecm related. But you are right, exhaust all options before calling an ecm.

@ssrbob

3 жыл бұрын

So you think a clogged filter or a weak fuel pump will cause the ecm to stop firing the injectors? That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works.

@ShainAndrews

3 жыл бұрын

@@ssrbob Good reason you don't work in my shop, because there absolutely are manufactures that disable injectors below a minimum fuel pressure. Now why would they do that. Gee what if an injector sticks open filling the cylinder for a hydrolock condition, or filling the crankcase with fuel. Or filling the intake tract with fuel. Here is what I do know. ECM's get mis-diagnosed at an astonishingly high rate. Before one gets condemned more data is needed.

@ssrbob

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShainAndrews Can you cite a specific vehicle that would cut out all the injectors because the fuel pressure is low? I've never seen a strategy like that. All the other possibilities you mention would cause other noticeable drivability issues that were not present. The symptom on this car is a sudden and abrupt stall due to all the injectors cutting out. The scope clearly showed this. All the injectors suddenly stop firing with no interruption in the cam/crank signals. That's either a loss of power feed to all the injectors or a ecm fault of some sort. Running pressure tests would be a waste of time. Bernie eliminated things that could cause ALL the injectors to cut off simultaneously. The only thing left that could cause that is the ecm...

@MrXyzasdf

3 жыл бұрын

@@ssrbob Everything Bob said is spot-on. In addition, just picture the running condition of an engine with low fuel pressure, rough idle, on the verge of stalling, but an abrupt stall on low fuel pressure? I think not.

WHATEVER Bernie charged is a BARGAIN for the customer since many other shops would have spent a boatload of the customer's before getting to ECM.

Only thing missing is proof that it was fixed.

Still there are many possibilities that were not eleminated, fuel delivery issues control/circuitry , livedata STFT LTFT, ECT, if the pcm is the cause due to temperature related issue, than i would duplicate that using spray can to cool it or heat gun! Geart scope though

@ssrbob

3 жыл бұрын

Those possibilities you mentioned were eliminated because they cannot cause the ecm to stop firing all the injectors.

Simple solution: Just buy a TDI

@johntran1831

2 жыл бұрын

What is a TDI? The ecm is bad that need to replace.

why not look at fuel pressure

@hxc7273

3 жыл бұрын

The first test proved that the injectors were being shut off. This has nothing to do with a loss of fuel pressure. If we were concerned about the possibility of the PCM shutting off the injectors because it saw a loss of pressure, then we could break it down into two cases based on whether or not the car has a fuel pressure sensor. Case 1: No sensor. Then the computer has no idea that there is a lack of fuel pressure and we would see the crank slowing down BEFORE we lost injector pulse. On this car we saw the opposite. Injectors shut off before there was any slowdown of the crank. Case 2: It has a sensor. Then there would be codes related to fuel pressure and this car didn't have any.

Bernie is way too advance for most advanced technicians

tech nerd .didn't help me none

We need a 30 channel scope