Great review! I think PvP has to be weighted against what's out there. i.e. - PoE, D4, etc. In PoE, PvP is very limited and same could be said for D4. In D2R, your ability to PK other players is ALWAYS there, regardless of GM or not. That is missing from so many ARPGs these days, imo. Also to note: D2R def made Vamp Gaze look way worse lol

@meliodasgakill4282

5 ай бұрын

Hey Cooley try playing this on PSN let alone Xbox or switch. Then I want you and llama to redo these rankings and your thoughts on the game. Clearly this is a PC only review/ranking but. Hey you want a real challenge? Get on the consoles bud.

@infamousgamer

5 ай бұрын

Boo PVP. There is enough extraction shooters and PVP focused games out there already. Give the option for PVP, don't force it on people.

@tokin42

5 ай бұрын

@@meliodasgakill4282this game was made for and played on exclusively PCs for over 20 years, the console experience is the last thing on anyones mind. Might as well yell at Mario speed runners for not using an Xbox controllers it’s just nonsense.

@dustysmoke4996

5 ай бұрын

@@meliodasgakill4282 Sorry for your sad situation. Solution? Get on a PC, bud! 🙂

@MrGibbonaben

5 ай бұрын

PVP in D2 is really good and the one thing i really disagree with mrlama in the ratings. It is more like 8-9. PVP is for some the end game of d2, or I go go as far as saying it is THE game of d2.

PD2's lobby and loot filter in D2R would be some final form magic

@Amanik_Capoli

5 ай бұрын

That would be awesome but legendaries need an overhaul. Tired of the fact that I need runewords in every slot that can take it.

@wtbskilllololo

4 ай бұрын

@@Amanik_Capoli By legendary do you mean unique items?Yes i agree if they upgrade/rework some of the more rare/cool uniques you could see a shift of meta and economy and bit and it will rejuvenate the game abit. But i also agree a Loot filter,better lobby and QoL like stacking Gems,Runes will improve the game alot.

@realneighborhoodP

4 ай бұрын

legendary? screw you@@Amanik_Capoli

overall rating feels very accurate. Your biggest areas of improvement tend to be D2’s infrastructure to facilitate ease of trade, community, communication, party play, and access to in-game systems . I’d love an in-game wiki where you could look up runewords, breakpoints, all uniques, drop rates, and more. Or an in-game trading hub like Traderie. Or a filter in the lobby so I can look for just baal runs, or TZ games. Despite the absence of these features, the game remains excellent for the reasons you touched on.

@wtbskilllololo

4 ай бұрын

About Baal and Tz Games you can now write it out and only look for these games only?This been in like 2 ladders ago if not more or did you mean specific filters?

so much nostalgia, my first game was Diablo, and i was running it on a 166mhz which was pretty fast for the time so the characters ran faster than normal lol

24 years and still top of it's genre.

@nomercy8989

5 ай бұрын

Over the last year Grim Dawn has taken over for me. It has much better build variety and the theory crafting is through the roof. You constantly pick up weapons and start making a new character in your head before actually making them. Very cool game that deserves more attention.

@KingxKrabler

5 ай бұрын

@@nomercy8989 Grim Dawn sucked me in pretty hard a few years back and then after that was last epoch for me.

@the1deadman543

5 ай бұрын

​@@nomercy8989 that's me ATM with grim dawn 😆 I literally did a 7 hour straight session tonight. Or until my eyes were burning out of my skull lmao game is actually amazing. I'm playing a necromancer/shaman build. So much variety it's crazy

@ruellerz

5 ай бұрын

Grim Dawn was fun until all of the hacks and exploits killed it for me. Idk if that's resolved but I hope LE holds strong. @@nomercy8989

@LordJaroh

5 ай бұрын

Grim Dawn is top dog for me. I haven't tried Last Epoch yet, (I will when it comes out with the full release), but I find myself returning to Grim Dawn more than D2 these days.

You should totally do this for pd2 as well since it’s an awesome overhaul and I want to see your insight on how some of the lower scores from d2 r compare in terms of how pd2 addresses some of d2rs issues.

diablo 2 and d2r is by one of the best action rpg ever i remember back in high school grabbing the instruction manual for d2 me and a bunch of mates would read it and discuss what builds and skill points we would put in etc those were the days mind you we are talking about the year 2000 i would of been like 12 had my first pc and the two games i had or played was diablo 2 and baldurs gate

Excellent video, thank you!

Great review! I honestly thought you were way too generous with your D4 review, but your D2R review I think was spot on. There is a lot that can be improved such as stash space, etc., but overall it is a fun and enjoyable game.

Curious to see the same rating for Poe, last epoch, grim dawn.

Keep the videos coming Llama, can't wait for Llama rpg

Excellent, thank you for the review. Can you do one on PoE? Is it still worth playing? I've never played, but I'm willing to try it, and I'd like to know if you could share your thoughts on it.

How about recepie scrolls (runewords, crafting,...) that would randomly drop as loot and when read would be added to some kind of a book of recepies which would be shared account wide.

Great reviews! Itemization is great it may need some updates such as so many useless outdated uniques making them more viable and adding to the elites. Somehow not nerfing enigma but just making it not the only endgame option buffing others maybe to make a reason to not want enigma the only endgame armor. Social and guild aspect needs work. Stash needs to be reworked gems stacking or charms becomes a paragon board like stash to open up space to use your backpack to pickup items. I like to pick through lots of different items for crafting ect… and only having your cube for backpack slows me down dramatically in my item hunt. In game recipes encyclopedia would be nice. PvP is a huge endgame aspect for many hardcore players and adding a ladder season for the dueling aspect would be huge. I think the pvp in this game is some of the most fun and can greatly be enhanced with some love.

A no rules PVP would be pretty intense. The best builds VS the best builds with a full belt of rejuvs would be a sight to see.

@awQng89

5 ай бұрын

Real men duels in hardcore.

@foxsmith5718

5 ай бұрын

... Yes, softcore is the demoOo version of the game- ​@@awQng89

Love the video. Would love to see a rating video like this of Path of Exile

Amazing review my man, watched this while doing my Solo Online Grind to try get higher lvl an gear!! 🤣

I would be curious to know how your D4 score has changed since the launch of the game. It has improved quite a bit imo. Maybe after the big expansion it would be worth revisiting

@prestonmurphy283

3 ай бұрын

I agree, the game he played at the start isn't the same one that's out now

How do I check my hours in D2R

Diablo 2's music is good enough to listen to just on its own; it's more like a concept album themed around travelling through the wilderness than it's like a soundtrack to a game. I actually have bits of it on my general listening playlists, and people don't even notice the difference. Which is a lot more than I can say for some of the other game soundtracks I've had on there. Star Control 2 also had some great music, but when you've got your phone hooked up to a speaker and it starts up with something like the Orz or Spathi theme - people notice.

Still love D2 after 20+ years, i totally agree about a huge party! What you did not really speak about is how well party play works, with all the buffs available (auras, war cries, curses, enchant, druid spirits, BoS/fade), and NOT having absurd mechanics that give you more speed when fighting like in D3.

For me the QoL score could go up a point or two if a separate inventory space were provided for charms. More if they automate weapon swap for a specific skill/attack. I would have thought updates like those would be right behind the visual one but it ended up being other things

@ApathyBM

5 ай бұрын

It should drop by 2 points because he didn't even mention how horrible the lobby is. You can't find any games

@ZachIdso

5 ай бұрын

Yeah fair. When I played a lot most games felt inviting though and I ended up gaining lots of experience in finding specific things like where and how to hitch a ride on parts of a rush or a safe space to transfer items to mules. It was almost like a skill and that made it rewarding to do somehow. Maybe something different could be good too

I feel the pvp rating was a bit harsh. What arpg does pvp better?

What a pleasant surprise to see DII content here. Seriously though, great review,

Is there a video where he does this for D4?

I could disagree witch couple points from the list (like builds and endgame should be valued lower for me), but overall it fits my own objective score very well!

Idk if i can agree with the ratings on builds and spells. Half the spells/abilities are almost useless and just used for synergies, 1 pointers to get to other spells, or ignored completely. You can certainly force some builds with the right gear and knowledge. But if you’re new to the game you Have to look up a build online or you may not even get through nightmare let alone hell. That being said i respect your opinion and the review was great and very detailed. I love and appreciate your content and i hope you keep it coming for years to come!

@NuStiuFrate

5 ай бұрын

That's a good point. The game lets you put 20 points into all of the skills but some are absolutely a waste if you ever do that, like the druid's poison creeper or most of the necro's curses. And can you imagine putting 20 points into the barb's increased stamina skill?

love this llama guy! A few things that I think should be rated a little differently IMO -PvP honestly sucks for this game by today's standards. Even back in the day it was just okay. WoW came out only 3 years after LOD and I while I know it's a different game... that had incredible pvp. I would give a 3.5 -Social I think I would lower the score even further because of how dismal the chat/friend and lack of social pane is. I basically have to go back to BNet launcher to chat with someone if I am friends with them. If you haven't played this game in a while, coming back to figure out how to whisper, add friends, etc. is damn near impossible now. 5/10 -Overall I think Llama brings up some great points that really highlight how great this game is. The Ease of Access is solid but the depth of this game is truly incredible. -I think should have had a rating for Support or Updates because that is something that is a bit lacking, even though we all know this is a 20+ year old game.

@JustLikeYou.

4 ай бұрын

Classic WoWs pvp is literally the most “unbalanced” PvP in WoWs history lmao there weren’t even PvP ranks at the beginning and even longer after that before the first BG was released. Huge Open world pvp battles were awesome but that was literally the only thing about classic WoW pvp that was fun. PvP was a literal afterthought for blizzard during classic and will always be the secondary “game mode”

greatest all time music

Just wish i could play. But not enough slots and to little stash space prevents me..

17:00 my one gripe with monster design is that they copy/paste/recolour base models so many times. I get that it was a product of the time in that sense, but I feel like in more modern games, that just shouldn't stand up. On another note though, would love to see you put some time into the now fully-launched Last Epoch and see how that compares cuz I have heard some good things about it.

Overall a solid review. I personally would lower the scores for Itemization, builds and spells to around a 7. For me the real fun doesn't start until I can start farming areas for the loot chase and knowing where I want a toon to end up, a lot of spells and items are only used for a very small portion of that initial journey. After 20 years I keep coming back to D2, but what was a fun challenge to overcome is now a point of frustration I can't wait to be over. Every aRPG is going to have similar issues, and will never be a 10/10 IMO, so even a 7/10 for D2 is pretty incredible in my book.

when will act 6 drop?

The music is so good it alone makes D2 a 9.5 :D the weighting should be a 2-3 for music IMO but this was a great breakdown!

I would take off points for the D2R cinematics. While the CG is more advanced and the voice acting is the same, they needlessly changed Marius's gestures and facial expressions for the worse. Because of that mistake alone, I prefer the original D2 cinematics.

2:40 I prefer the classic campaign more, I always felt like the last act was out of place and killing Diablo should be the end. However the expansion added the druid which is probably my second favourite character after the Barb. I remember being a little kid seeing the expansion in a bin at Walmart and begging my parents to get the expansion.

When will MamaLlamaSC appear on the channel? I’d be there day 1 for that.

i agree on everything you say here Llama, variety and procedural design is still to this day not beaten.

I think the rating is very fair. D2's strength is that there are so many modes within the same game. So SC, HC, Ladder, Non Ladder, SP. There is really something for everyone!

Taking into account that you are a fan boy (which I am too since the launch of D2R) I think this is a fair but amazing rating, especially for a game being that old.

Very well done Llama. I give your review of Diablo 2 10/10! People who downvote a game they played so much probably is because there is a bug or a cheater problem or some gamebreaking issue which developers don't bother to fix and I can relate to that. And Diablo 2 had it's own share of issues back in the day. Especially the inventory management became very problematic with LOD when all the runes, gems and items are taken into account. Biggest offender for me was muling with one account, making game, waiting for it to become permanent, dropping items, exiting and entering with other character. It became worse with every new mule character until I would get IP banned because of "many" exiting and entering games in a short period of time, effectively deleting my long sought after items just because there was not enough space nor was no actual mechanic to allow me to keep my valuable items. No wonder why the shared stash was one of the most requested features of D2R...

It would be awesome if Cain would tell us about runewords per Difficulty. Or we could even go to him with a rune we have found and he could tell us in which runewords we could potentially use it.

Not bad. The thing I love about D2 is it’s not an on the rail experience (Sure the quests are straightforward but) like SO MANY damn games today. You really can play however you want and use the game to create your own challenges or experience. You want to twink out and go crazy? Go for it. Want to teleport around the map in seconds? Go for it. No “sorry you have a 15 sec CD” “sorry you can only go 10% faster run/walk”. It’s simple, you got life/mana, you got skills. No homogenous lazy game design disguised as “balance”. Every class isn’t just build charges spend charges hit big buff on CD... Just a simple, old school arpg.

Soundtrack is amazing. I have it on vinyl. Lol.

It would have been really hard for me to give itemization a 9, when including item balancing in that category.

been playing D2 since 2001-2002 and still playing nowdays alot I agree with what you said and I dream about more stuff new runewords buff sets and more... so sad they just put new Ladder with nothing new

MrLlama"SC" any interest in Stormgate? the SC successor

@cosmicfox5671

4 ай бұрын

SC in this case stands for Softcore, not StarCraft.

@NBCatch22

4 ай бұрын

@@cosmicfox5671 No way, the Llama man is OG StarCraft. 🦙 ⭐️ 🛸

I agree completely with lod having the better lobby system than D2R. Another cool thing to point out about that was the profile system in lod. You could fill out a little profile, pretty pointless but I thought it was cool lol

@Phnxkon

5 ай бұрын

Location: Rite bhind u

I've never been into PvP in Diablo, but I would 100% love to see them implement the arenas that were being created for D3's doomed PvP

Honestly the story of d2 is really good. If you actually talk to all NPCS and listen to them talk and dont skip the Dialogue. I just found out the reason for collecting khalims body parts is because the zakarum tore him apart and stashed them everywhere

@njmfff

5 ай бұрын

It is, it's just that people these days are use to playing interactive cut scenes. Diablo 1-2 is one of the few arpg that actually gave me sense of urgency and importance and understanding why main villain is major threat. You get how powerful Diablo is, who Mephisto is, who Dark Wanderer is and why it's important to stop him and why you chase him, etc. In lot of other arpg they kinda skip on this or it's not really explained, for example I had no idea who the bad guy was in Torchlight or why it's important I stop him. heck, even Titan's Quest is like this, yeah you chase some monsters because of this and that, then Typhoon kinda just shows up and you fight him and Zeus congratulates you on being good boy.

PVP in D2 is quite unique experience because this feature is almost absent from ARPG's today. Duels on classic bnet were common, played on all levels (low level duel, high level duel), there were even some clans and tournament style PVP. I liked it, PVP builds required different itemization and skillplan from PVE farming builds and that is good for an ARPG. In PVE you can get away with low fhr, it will be a little uncomfortable but it's passable. In PVP it's a no-go, you have to invest usually to the second highest breakpoint.

Agree on everything except endgame, it should be a 10. This is why I'm still playing this. That and replayability. Replayability should have been a category even though it interact with many other categories it is such an important aspect of a seasonal game. About endgame, how do you define endgame? By the amount of objectives are in the endgame? Or by how long you enjoy the endgame? For me it is the latter and i think endgame should have this focus in modern arpgs. Many modern arpgs has a lot more objectives to interact with than d2r yet many of them fall short in the long run. Why is d2r fun for so long? Perhaps because it is more up to the player what to do with the endgame than the game itself. Edit: 5 on Bosses is a bit low imo. Would you really whant to make them more complicated in d2? They are meant to be slayed with ease(on a decent geared character) over and over. Im not sure i would enjoy having to dodge kill moves for a 100 times. This might also be hard to balance with such a huge class difference. Imo. Bosses are an 8.5 for the game they are in.

I pretty much agree with most of this…although I do love my enigma, grief and whatever else OP RW. Maybe I missed it but I do want to say please please give us a currency stash tab?! It would be another VERY easy (QoL) change. Hell, a very nice “imagined” one had popped up online…use it. Another very simple (no effort) change could be another level of difficulty

People always underrate just how important music is. That should be weighted at a 3 at least. And given the current state of gaming id weight monetization a 4 or 5. Crafting should be a baseline of one. Your scores were pretty spot on though.

Llama the kind of dude that names his kid after things in a game

@justmike9756

5 ай бұрын

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@benigndetritus2288

5 ай бұрын

Baby Bonesnap 🥰

I love d2 I think it's the goat. But i also think that melee is a huge flaw. Although melee is really fun and I actually like the attack rating system. It would just be better if there was a little more balance there.

My review! The game is better than is was from bug fixes. Some of the blood animations are gone... I want them back. Vicarious visions did amazing job. Bring this game back to life

i think diablo 2 still has the best pacing, groundedness, atmosphere, and exploration to allow you to really get pulled into the world. it makes the rpg part of diablo still the best in arpgs to me.

I don't know about expert. I tend to have expertise from setting up and running d&d all my life. The design of D2 has huge glaring flaws that devs must have overlooked after D1. The system of D1 and many games up to now are based on D&D stat distribution. D1 opted for a simplified version. Carried over into D2. However much better implemented in D1. Because of how D2 implemented casting for each class. For example, as a Warrior in D1, your prime requisites are strength and vitality. With dexterity secondary. So you start off by boarding dex to get decent hits. A bit of energy for mana. Then life and lots of strength. Yet the system got completely screwy in D2 because of how it implemented casting abilities on all classes. So everybody's prime requisite is vitality. Because ability scores just become meaningless aside from the importance of increasing hp as you level up. Including energy meaningless. Because you just need a sufficient amount as a baseline. They guzzle potions for mana. D2 is a really fun game despite being one of the most screwed up implementation of ability scores in the history of games. And an example of how 'professional' aaa games can screw up these types of point distribution and level progression design. Even up to modern games. It should never be like this and not the intention of devs. Something like vitality is meant to be mostly important to paladin and barbarian. Maybe a design for necromancer. Dexterity should be a necessity for classes like assassin and amazon. I play D2 according to design which means Amazon is pumping dex most with str secondary. And vitality third. So i distribute the ratio as 2 vitality - 3 strength - 4 dexterity. Because this is generally what the game intended for how this character is designed. Not exploit this major flaw that everybody and their mom exploits with all their points into vitality.

It boggles me that Blizzard won’t leave 2-3 devs @ 80-100k/year to finish polishing D2R? There are so many stupid improvements that I’d gladly pay another $20-$30 for. Surely the player base is sufficiently large to make that economically feasible?

@wtbskilllololo

4 ай бұрын

Imagine they dont even feel like an Expansion with the QoL features we all want(Rune/Gem Stack,Charm Space,Lobby and Trade improvements,Item Filters),continued 4 act maybe,New Uber boss along 6th act and his finall boss. Probably feel if they deliver something like this they ll have to pay a team to maintain and update it. But theyre corporate i dont think they are willing to spendk 200/300k just so the D2R playerbase to be happy. Other than that i feel like you its so easy to make it work or even add something so they can make money passively out of it.

Itemization was interesting... and then came Mozaic. And we all started to look like that Riddick character played by Vin Diesel - we need super dark glasses or we will die!

Can someone help me out. I am noob in diablo , but I've played a lot in the past, I've always played with runewords, but that for me really made the game boring. It's always the same basic runewords till we get spirit to beat hell. I really want it to play the game without runewords. Do you believe it's possible to beat hell without runewords? Im currently in nightmare with a furry druid and I'm struggling a lot to hit things.

@ApathyBM

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, some sets are pretty busted, you just have to grind to collect them

@wtbskilllololo

4 ай бұрын

It is possible after all the game came out without runewords.The problem you have i suppse is you lack attack rating at your level try to find Angelic Amulet,2x ring combo that will help you alot and also use Heart of Wolverine for more Attack rating.

@ronignino

4 ай бұрын

@@wtbskilllololo I am using hearth of wolverine and the blessed aim aura from Merc . I was lucky to find a deathbit unique throwing knifes. It gives me almost 400 AR. Really lucky .

@wtbskilllololo

4 ай бұрын

​@@ronignino I see welp melees were always slower,jankier and depending on good weapons. I guess if you manage to find a Ribcracker(think Mephisto Nightmare had a nice chance of dropping it)that could boost ur dmg pretty hard.

I still don't know why they didn't reuse the chat lobby/lobby ui we had in the old bnet. It was so perfect. Same goes with the idle stances of the characters / hardcore ones

That's very fair, considering it's a 20 year old game and we're still learning about it. But if you put it into comparison with other games like it, then it's suddenly a _personal_ 10/10

what is weight score ?

@MrLlamaSC

5 ай бұрын

gives more value to that specific. For instance itemization is more important than cinematics so it gets a higher weight and more influence in final score

@Irgistroyy

5 ай бұрын

thnx capt @@MrLlamaSC

Bring back shockwave bear. My boy deserves to live!

you say casuals just give 10/10. Wrong. I give 11/10

3:35 Increasing CB values and put it on more items it would help compete against many caster skills.

Id say this is an overall great review, of course as you said, when you or I quickly think about a rating its a 10. However when you meticulously go over each point you get a more overall score that pertains for everyone. With just simple quality of life improvements this game would skyrocket up and not even including new content. i feel this is a such a lost opportunity that Blizzard is overlooking to keep this game really alive. I however I give Diablo 4 a higher rating, around 7.5-7.8 which equally has a lot of potential i think. It wont be D2 but they can certainly improve it a lot to bring the score higher.

It's funny that when you changed it to your personal preference it got to an 8.5 which is about where I would rate D2R

My mom is almost 70 years old and playing d2r. But she has a lot to learn. I was finally at the right place at the right time. Clone diablo just spawned twice back to back as she gets her 1st char to level 70. Never even started hell mode yet. I believe he spawned 3 times but missed 1st time trying to get in game. Lag spike from everyone creating games. Shout out to all the SoJ sellers. Lol

You and Noxious were the best providing feedback for D4. It's a SHAME they didn't listen

@JustLikeYou.

4 ай бұрын

Man I almost forgot about noxious! I watched him play hearthstone back when it first came out

sure the itemization has some flaws that could be improved but its the best arpg item system weve ever got. It's hard to say it's not a 10.

D2R is the only game I would even dream of playing these days :) (sadly, no time...)

You should do this same review but on Classic and LOD when they actually came out, then compare the two. Rate it based on how the graphics and boss fights were back then, not from today's perspective.

So they only need to fix the chat. If they then implement a trade system that even works for casual players - we have an 11 out of 10...

Now do a Last Epoch review.

The only thing I disagree with is cosmetics. the random coloring of items makes it look cartoony (looking at you Shako) unless you luck out on matching "sets"

My biggest pet peeve in D2R is that troll goblin players can use your TP, immediately go hostile, and kill you while you're trying to just play the game. My main wishlist item is that both players should have to agree to go hostile

I wish we could have one HUGE D2R QOL improvement and this game would skyrocket in playability for me. And I play it all the time. Lmao

We need cross platform play desperately

Forgot to rate most important feature Chat Gem Working as Intended/Working as Intended 0 Working as Intended

Sound Design is a solid 9/10 Support is a 3/10 modability is a 8.5/10

32k hours in one game is insane. Thats almost 4 years of your life in 1 game. I love my d2 but damn thats a lot of hours

@spookzer16

5 ай бұрын

I have 3k hours in Skyrim and I thought that was insane! Which, it is, but still! I dont think a single game could keep me occupied for 30k hours!

I'd give D2R 9.5 if they fix broken chats and remove tons of bots in the lobby

I actualy would like to see you play on Playstation and see how you would grade half the stuff there xD Its same But also different alot of builds just aint for Playstation atleast in terms of build tier list.

Still 10/10 for me

I agree on all your things that could improve the game, and that it would be great if they just happened. But we know that what drives Blizzard nowadays is pretty much purely money. If you had the attention of blizzard, and they said they needed at least $100,000 to make your requests happen, how would you suggest they actually get that money from the audience to make that a reasonable expenditure? The D2 audience seems a lot more resistant to a lot of the money making avenues than gamers in general. I hate a lot of those tactics too, but they do get the work paid for. With the smaller D2 audience though, they do not have a lot of options, and if they choose the wrong monetization model, they could alienate and drive away a significant part of that small audience. I think this is likely the main thing paralyzing them from giving us the changes that could continue to elevate the game. Microtransactions, even just cosmetics, likely alienate the audience. Expansion does not really fit with the nature of the changes, unless they also double/triple the cost so they can add more traditional content that folks think of as an expansion like another act of content and a character class, etc. Even something direct like an in house kickstarter equivalent that once paid covers the cost to make it free for everyone is likely to bring out all the chorus of folks that "these kinds of changes are things we should get for free based on the price we already paid". This shouldn't be our problem, but Blizzard seems unmotivated to find a solution to it, and that means the state of D2R is going to be largely static. So the only path forward seems to be for the D2R community to figure out what they would find acceptable as a solution to fund it, tell blizzard that, and hope they listen.

@MrLlamaSC

5 ай бұрын

I think implementing some sort of stash tabs for $ or additional characters would easily generate 100K

@wtbskilllololo

4 ай бұрын

An smaller expansion with QoL updates such as Rune/Gem stack,Charm inventory,Lobby and Better trade feature,Act4(maybe finish it and add all the quests that they supposed to on release),Act 6 with a new boss and maybe new Uber boss. This will generate way more than 100k for sure but i feel like they ll have to stick and maintain and update any issue with it further so they ll need a team that supervises the game and as you said they dont feel like this would be positive income for them even if i think Selling something like this for 40-60$ dollars would generate a pretty good sum even if the D2R community is smaller in general to most games and that also will clash with their plans on pushing D4 for their maing ARPG.

@eepopgames2741

4 ай бұрын

@@wtbskilllololo Dude. You can't explode the scope like that for the same costs. Llamas suggestions could get done with like a 3 man team of game designer, UI/UX designer, and programmer for 3-6 months. Your suggestion for another act and a half requires story writers, concept artists, 3d render artists, etc, etc, etc while extending the time needed to probably a year. You are multiplying the development costs by more than an order of magnitude. I would love it if those things were on the table, and I would buy whatever they put out, but I am extremely skeptical the audience is big enough to even consider things on that scale. Llama's suggestions for paid stash tabs and character slots seem like a reasonable possibility, but they would also need to factor in the cost to develop those features, the recurring data storage costs to save the characters, etc. I still worry plenty of people are fine just deleting characters to make new ones, etc and would not pay the premium. But dev costs to enable those things should be suitably low, and then you can just wait until the profits of them reach a level that allows you to reinvest them. Of course at that point Blizz probably just pockets the money and moves on.

10 out of 10. Because I don't care about factuality. I care about spending a few more 1000 hours to find me that Ber rune

D2 is my favorite game of all time...which makes D4 seem like a really sad experience =/

Load screens are the worst. Then no item stacking.

Imagine Blizzard making D1R with a Plus: After beating Diablo and turning in him the player would make the Diablo's way does in Diablo 2, fighting knights, warriors, rouges and mages.

blizzard would automatically become the coolest company in the world if they gave us updates to diablo 2. if only they could please the fans who want to love them!

ME BABA ME WHIRL !!!!!!!!!!! Best game ever.

I fully agreed Diablo 2 for me is one of the best games of all times

I love the start of ladder solely becuz u get to play thru the actual game WITH EVERYONE, unlike later in the season where its a get rush or be in an empty game :(.

The RPG part made me think of Diablo 3; to me that was a huge reason I didn't care for D3 and dropped it fairly quickly(itemization being the other). I like the feeling of 'building' a character as you level up; in D2's case that is allocating skill points and to a lesser extent stat points. D3 got rid of all of that and you just unlocked skills as you leveled, to me that is just complete crap, maybe for a mobile game or something, but for a mainline Diablo game that was just a ridiculously bad design choice. I know D2s RPG elements are very light compared to things like Baldur's gate, but I do want them to at least exist; Dark souls also gives you a feeling of progression as you level up and strengthen your weapons along the way. Anyways, had a lot of hype pre release for D3 before they just got rid of those RPG elements, they had skill trees and skill points in pre release builds, but they went pure action, no RPG at release.

Action 9 Campaign 10 Music 10 Graphics 10 Spell 9.5 Completionism 10 I could add items with how runewords hurt them so much Diablo 2 expert reviews Diablo 2 Resurrected* Objectivity as it finest

RPG also means talking/interacting with other people, and like in the name roll playing! with people. which doesnt happen.. compared to games like WoW and OSRS, this should be a 4 or 5. because it literally never happens

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