im not really expecting too much from this, i dont want to get myself hyped lol, but i just made a patreon for behind the scenes and sneak peaks so here it is! patreon.com/Naevius?Link

Open VSP can do what you want. Its free software by NASA and allows you to virtually test your designs. I use it to create files for foam cutting and 3d printing as well as CNC cut files. Im working on s similar project if you want any help or just to bounce ideas off of. I also have a full shop to prototype anything you can draw on a napkin.

I Had two ideas for a drone in a swarm . First is basic fighter drones meant to do similar roles to dog fighting and ground assault by adding basic weapons like a pistol into the body of wings but modular enough to use a wide array of pistols be it size, power, ammo count and more, and retains shell castings with explosive inside so to work as last resort harassing ground troops and other enemy drones and if this drone can crash into enemies drone without damaging what's inside would be useful. Second drone is actually based off WW2 Stratofortress bombers and like, as sort of Ariel battleship of sorts with fully AI or semi gun turrets act as heavy muscle to first drone suggestions gunning down ground targets or other flyers, similar role to A-10 and C-130 roles, designed to fire larger caliber ammo but just as modular for different ammo types and weapons used inside as well acting as signal booster to other drones. Both drones are designed to be cheap but reliable enough to do a job and if possible 3D printable, the idea is not just for the big militarys but for situations like the Ukrainian Russian war to rapidly produce and when destroyed to be recycled to build more drones. And if possible easily build, like a simple puzzle a 5 year old can assemble

Im going to share this all over engineering subreddits soon. This is good stuff

You are exactly doing what I want to do! Would love to see more, to learn how I can get into this

On your wings the monitors can be a lot smaller (weight) and your rotors look very small (inefficiency). Consider how much time your drone is expected to hover to reach the right compromise.

This is fantastic!

Nice video and idea

Starting here!

I started doing the same thing for lots of the same reasons about a year ago. Its great to see someone tackling the same challenges head on. Nice work - I subbed.

I can’t imagine building something like this without at least a 6s power system. Maybe more like 8s (two 4s batts in parallel). The other thing that really stuck out to me was the vtol props are so close to the wing they will be very unstable and very loud. They need to have enough clearance to suck as much air as they blow. Also consider dual vane props, honestly I don’t think you’ll find tri-vane in those larger sizes anyway. Dual vane will always be less drag than tri-vane, less static thrust too but once you turn off the vtol motors, all of those become giant wind mills destroying your horizontal efficiency so dual vane is what you want on all five motors. There is no replacement for displacement, a bigger prop spinning slower is more thrust than an equivalent smaller prop spinning faster so at the weights all up weight you mention, you’re looking for very low KV motors, sub-1000 KV with large 15-24 inch props, maybe even bigger. My recommendation for what it’s worth, start with something smaller and then scale up on version 2 or 3. Props that big are very dangerous and things can get real dicey when trying to PID tune, imagine flying a completely unbalanced giant 15kg helicopter without having ever done that before, but you have to fly it to tune it, and odds are you will destroy it first minute in. Smaller is better at first, larger is for more experience imo

@NaeviusUAV

2 ай бұрын

hey thanks for the advice, the first points you mentioned have been worked on in the new videos, and i am thinking about batteries and propulsion in the video i am editing right now. i was looking at the props and motors today, so you comment is timed perfectly. are you talking about smaller props for testing or an entirely smaller drone? i can imagine some of the aerodynamics perform differently at smaller scale. i would ensure to balance things well though before flight, but im aware theres a very high chance the drone will crash within a minute, its valuable information so it has to happen at some point. do you want to email me to talk about this further? maybe you have some recommendations in terms of prop size, motor specs, and lightweight battery options. i did think of going 6s-12s btw. i just didnt know anything yet in this video. my email is in the description

@tacticalFPV

2 ай бұрын

@@NaeviusUAV sounds like you are progressing well. We are talking about advanced engineering degree kind of stuff so it’s too much for chatting really but also pretty impressive that you’re doing it. The warning I had for you was about PID tuning, which you will have to do in order to get to the point of flying it, and it will for sure be unbalanced because you are putting motors and props in a configuration not typically done by others so you won’t be able to google or gpt that information. Learning to PID tune a standard quadcopter is a challenge that will involve many crashes, learning to PID tune a large slow moving prop quad plane is a very expensive way to go about learning, and rebuilding the plane over and over will take so much time. Sort of why I suggested starting version one with a small scale, use standard 5 inch or 7 inch quadcopter parts, ones that are super popular for freestyle quad fliers, this way there is a ton of information available about PID tunes, super cheap propellers and motors and esc’s, also a lower all up weight will significantly reduce the odds of damage from a small crash. A PID tuning fly away situation is incredibly likely and I’ve been there too many times and learned this lesson the expensive way unfortunately. If you build it small or big does not matter, you will need to PID tune the quadcopter part and then PID tune the plane part separately, better to learn this part of drone building with something small, less expensive, and popular so you can look what others have done. I have a 18” quadcopter that I run 15” props on, those props are $90 a pair, $180 for a full set, if it tips while they are running it hurts my emotions lol. The largest VTOL plane I have is 1000mm but it is a vectored yaw tri-plane with 10 inch propellers using iFlight xing2 3110 1250kv motors, 6s powered, iFlight 80amp esc’s, and Matek H743 wing V3. I can tell you that thing is big, and it carries two drop pods that can hold 5kg’s in each pod. It has a thermal camera, night vision camera, and the same facing down for targeting the “cargo” drop zone. Consider that 1000cm size for wingspan, and 10” props, it’s pretty big but not so unique that you can’t find information about it online. You’re on the right track though, this industry has a long future and learning how to do this now is like learning how to transmute lead into gold so well worth the investment if you ask me.

@tacticalFPV

2 ай бұрын

@@NaeviusUAV the other challenge you will have with large scale is that larger propellers on the market, usually have an RPM rating that will be disappointing lol. So the challenge you will have there is that the quadcopter motors will require say 6s voltage but the plane motor is limited to 4s, and the props cannot be spun more than an rpm that that you’d get from 4s, so this is a large scale problem, not a sub-10” prop problem. You’d want a wide motor driving an aggressive thread pitch prop for your plane motor but the quad motors to be fast response thinner motors with lower thread pitch for static thrust and thus stability. Most people I see using two different power systems all together, separating the plane and quad systems completely. That’s kind of what you’re looking at with the large size quad plane, and it will be the availability of props and motors that will force this situation. I’m looking forward to your next video!

fantastic start mate im really impressed!

Keep going!

Love the idea, i'm in !

Cool vid dude!

this really inspired me man

Great Video! I am an aeronautical engineering student and I am honestly super interested in this stuff. I am building an rc plane currently and was even planning on designing a UAV for my final year project so this video was super inspiring. Thank you and Keep at it! :)

learn these design, construction, and control systems with CTOL aircraft first (Conventional Take Off and Landing) before going full send on a VTOL. It will keep things much simpler while you're learning.

Like the idea and enthusiasm 👍 Something to think about: It’s easy to make an rc plane with a single motor that can hover and be fully controllable by a mere human without flightstabilisation. If you lose a motor you’ve got a glider. Don’t get hung up on a quad configuration. If you want to cut costs fewer motors is a great way. Plus smaller components. I have a plane with a regular drone motor running a 2s 550mAh battery that can hover and shoot straight up. It won’t take a lot of payload ofcourse. Epp foam with carbon fibre rods for reinforcement can be very light and durable. Esp32 microcontrollers are powerful weigh 2 Grams and cost 2 USD. An rc ELRS receiver cost 10USD can have amazing range and weigh like a gram or two. Maybe don’t get stuck ”optimizing” ahead of time. For Aerodynamics just make it fairly smooth until you’ve got something that works. Then work on shedding weight and optimizing. You don’t want to make something that barely works and then have to add gear and weight to it. But I am NOT an expert 🙂 Good luck!

I love your VTOL design, however, I have a few suggestions. Your concept has the vertical lift rotors under the wing and front canard, which might seem like it would work, but putting a large surface over the rotor disk would basically kill all of its possible lift because you don't have any undisturbed air coming in, also makes it real noisy. I suggest you move both sets of the lift rotors in a more open space, possibly avoiding adjacent surfaces as much as possible. That way you won't produce nearly as much noise while keeping your motors at their peak performance for the initial climb. I suggest you also look into a swiveling rotor design to see if you can use less motors to achieve hover and then transition to level flight. That way you are carrying less dead weight while in cruise. Good luck!

@NaeviusUAV

2 ай бұрын

Hey! You predicted the future, I just uploaded a video and I did all of that!

Channel gonna explode. Touches really close to a lot of my interests I love it

I honestly thought you had like 100k subs but you somehow have a lot less. You earned a sub!

FULL SEND!!

Subbed! have you thought about payload delivery, getting the drones in the backcountry with a home base, charging, windspeed/direction, or maybe something like the mars landers? also ducted fan or thrust vectoring? Dig the idea! Been thinking about it myself! keep working on it! I think its great tech to be on the bleeding edge of. Think of manufacturing these as well, you will need lots if its a swarm. Make it easier to build! You are going to have to built a ton of them haha.

really like your work, was thinking about doing the same (to document all of my progress on youtube and get some money from it)

what if you would use the first wings as canards, and rotate them when you want the front vtol motors give additional speed?

@duckindustries526

2 ай бұрын

and then the motors on the back wing would rotate on axles so the thrust is equally distributed

@duckindustries526

2 ай бұрын

I'm thirteen so I may be wrong tho

@vacoff2717

2 ай бұрын

it is an actual practice called tiltrotor vtols. but in this case turning the whole canard upright would increase the drag so much

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Have you considered solar panels on it? Idk anything about that, but it might help with range and flight times

@NaeviusUAV

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I did for a future long range model

Noice

You could use a toroidal propeller

@NaeviusUAV

2 ай бұрын

Would this allow for it to be more compact to minimise drag?

@jasonmason5445

2 ай бұрын

It should help, it should generate less vortexes at the tips causing less drag

make the body from fiberglass and carbonfiber because 3d print is not durable and it is very heavy to use on a rc flying

hi, now where did you study and what course ya? I'm now 20 and i study robotics.

@NaeviusUAV

Ай бұрын

Hey! I’m currently studying business, I actually have no experience with engineering or anything. That’s what makes this series interesting.

I was thinking about the same thing, UAV swarms for Ukraine

Time needed to learn electronics and drones = 3 years Time needed to develop prototype = 1 year You just need to get started.

@Willy_Tepes

22 күн бұрын

I do have a background in aerospace and mechanics.

I wanna build one myself but I dont know how

@NaeviusUAV

2 ай бұрын

This UAV will also be available as a kit so that people that are interested can build it themselves without breaking the bank!