These two have a strangely wholesome dynamic... let's examine: It's assumed that Adam got his job because of Megan's research, but if that was true, then his role was already fulfilled. They don't need him. They already have the data they needed from his blood. But when he was basically broken, this guy had him put back together and over this conversation, notice how careful he is with Adam's feelings... The power dynamic between them is not equal. David holds the actual authority in the room, but the Adam is the one in control, Adam is the one who's directing the conversation because David is afraid of offending/hurting Adam's feelings. This is even his main reason for avoiding telling Adam about what he sends to his email. Another point: Adam and Sarif stay in touch after this game, and David goes out of his way to help him even though they're not co-workers anymore. Adam and David are friends, or were at one point... and clearly, that friendship still means a lot to David. It's almost touching, isn't it?
@seanfleming7206
Жыл бұрын
I personally have a different take on their dynamic. When Adam was hurt and needed augmentation to survive... to say Sarif went overkill would be an understatement. Adam didn't need most of what they put in him but Sarif invoked Adam's contract and took an executive decision while he was unconscious to absolutely stuff him full of tech. You could argue he did it because he knew Adam would need that tech to stand a chance against their enemies. But I think the real (possibly subconscious) reason was that Sarif was simply curious. He was presented with a subject who was fully compatible with augmentation with no negative side effects, so he stuffed Adam with SARIF tech to see just how far he could push the limits of augmentation and transhumanism with the right body. Adam wasn't a friend to Sarif, he was a proof of concept. Sarif's dreams and ambitions of transhumanism made manifest.
@inkvixen3141
Жыл бұрын
@@seanfleming7206 you may be right, but that's kind of the point of both of our analyses: 'May'.
@primkup
Жыл бұрын
@@seanfleming7206 "Adam wasn't a friend to Sarif, he was a proof of concept." Honestly, by the time of Mankind Divided, I think he was both.
@samg.5165
10 ай бұрын
@@seanfleming7206 While I agree that Sarif is no saint (well, compared to every other cyberpunk CEO, he actually is), I think the true reason why he went overboard with Adam is that he cannot imagine why someone would scorn the gift of augmentation. He made Adam a superhuman, healthier, stronger and smarter than he ever was, with no major side effects and with the company footing the bill. Being an ardent transhumanist, Sarif would have made that decision for himself in a split second, but it probably never crossed his mind that Adam might feel differently.
@ReplicatorFifth12 жыл бұрын
ever notice he fiddles with the baseball when hes nervous or agitated..thought that was interesting. decided to replay this to get all the achievements anyway, thanks for this!
@justderp57133 жыл бұрын
Adaam you’ve gotta stop reading these comments in my voice
@krzosu
Жыл бұрын
lol i actually did just that xD
@samaepl
Жыл бұрын
We're getting sidetracked here bo---- Son of a bitch!
@mrbigsauce99844 жыл бұрын
Now I realize how TYM absorbed Sarif industries
@slippytrippy8122
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. And why adam was taken and possibly cloned
@bobpage6597 Жыл бұрын
4:57 "You WHAT?!" - I love the bite in Adam's tone here. You can tell he's pissed; Elias Toufexis did a great job voicing Jensen!!
@JustinCage56 Жыл бұрын
3:40 "She did break your heart, after all." Massive hint that he knew she was alive out there.
@NaneRulz7 жыл бұрын
Meh, the best way is when you tell him you are going to quit the job. Hint: Adam is something more than security officer. Kek
@FallenxMalo
5 жыл бұрын
Hah yeah i like how he freaks out, knowing he can't let that happen because of reasons. :D
@thinkingofHim.
2 жыл бұрын
He was a prototype of a much larger system.
@Lajos_Kelemen2 жыл бұрын
God I love these converstations
@tylertheultimatebadass875 жыл бұрын
Sarif is a fool You cannot assess a threat if you do not know about it.
@MaxUltimata
4 жыл бұрын
He was trying to prevent Adam from learning the truth about himself because of what he might do if he found out. Adam was genetically modified in a science lab as a child to be 100% compatible with augmentations, and Sarif used a loophole in his security contract to modify Adam with far more augments than was necessary. That's why he hired a freshly fired SWAT member with noted problems with authority and the chain of command.
@QuintaFeira12
3 жыл бұрын
@@MaxUltimata And Sarif then used that DNA research as the basis of a lot of his newer augmentations. The same augmentations that caused the issue at the end of the game. Adam even confronts Sarif about it if you talk to him twice (and you can shoot Sarif in the face if you think Adam should feel insulted about this man's rampant attempts at manipulating and using others, particularly Adam himself). This is one of the most important scenes in the game, because Adam is literally asking and trying to find out about how he got turned into a tool of war and societal change against his will. Even his relationship with Megan was fake, just one more way to keep Adam under surveillance. There's too much at stake in not letting Adam know.
@victuz
3 жыл бұрын
@@QuintaFeira12 Oh man that's sad... So Jensen was modified in the 90s and early 2000s?! That's deep.
@jakie55512 жыл бұрын
seeing as nobody has been able to say so....Thank you. this is very helpful.
@lumalilies10 ай бұрын
the character designs are so beautiful
@Dflowen4 жыл бұрын
Steve Goldblum can play Sarif
@novemberalpha6023
4 жыл бұрын
Yup.... That's true....
@edgonzaliz11 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@FuPlaayz10 жыл бұрын
Ty
@HunterShows Жыл бұрын
Sarif reminds me of my boss at work. Sounds like him too.
@swordofthebezerk12 жыл бұрын
@jakie555 You're welcome.
@LeozynhoMaligno063 жыл бұрын
Great guild buddy!
@isyo14432 жыл бұрын
ooo, Serif is such a kitty-kitty!
@TheLivingTempest2 жыл бұрын
So get this. DX: Human Revolution movie. Keith Urban as Adam Jensen (I have to wonder if Keith's age would be a factor in playing Jensen, tho), Jeff Goldblum as David Sarif. Who wants to continue the cast? Edit: Karl*
@seanfleming7206
Жыл бұрын
Did you mean to say Karl Urban? Because I could definitely see that.
@TheLivingTempest
Жыл бұрын
@@seanfleming7206 Yes! I got his name wrong lol.
@MelkorHimself
Жыл бұрын
Elias Toufexis could fit as the on-screen actor. He's been in live action (The Expanse), and he bears physical resemblance to Adam Jensen.
@boredepicgames10 жыл бұрын
When does this happen? After the first mission and before you have to get the implant from the police station?
@nathanstamper8149
7 жыл бұрын
Nah, takes place after that, when Malik flies you in to an unmapped Merc operation mission.
@nathanstamper8149
Жыл бұрын
@Stefano Pavone I'll be honest, I straight up don't even remember what I've commented on here. I haven't played this game since I made this comment, I gotta get back round to it at some point.
@Dennis-nc3vw2 жыл бұрын
This game needs a remaster. Artistically its amazing but the graphically its terrible.
@Ladnir98 жыл бұрын
Sorry man, didn't work.
@hipster_tacos
8 жыл бұрын
It just worked for me ;)
@vladivanovici510
7 жыл бұрын
Depends on how well you do on the mission beforehand when you tell him that you proved yourself that day.
@novemberalpha6023
4 жыл бұрын
The outcome depends on more than the inputs you give
@Ziomaletto
3 жыл бұрын
You need to pay closer attention to how he starts the rounds of conversation. deusex.fandom.com/wiki/David_Sarif_Dialogue_Challenge
@UltimatePiccolo
Жыл бұрын
It seems to be random. I argued with him a bit, then refocused and he gave me the info I needed. Incidentally it's how you get the win an argument with your boss steam achievement.
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These two have a strangely wholesome dynamic... let's examine: It's assumed that Adam got his job because of Megan's research, but if that was true, then his role was already fulfilled. They don't need him. They already have the data they needed from his blood. But when he was basically broken, this guy had him put back together and over this conversation, notice how careful he is with Adam's feelings... The power dynamic between them is not equal. David holds the actual authority in the room, but the Adam is the one in control, Adam is the one who's directing the conversation because David is afraid of offending/hurting Adam's feelings. This is even his main reason for avoiding telling Adam about what he sends to his email. Another point: Adam and Sarif stay in touch after this game, and David goes out of his way to help him even though they're not co-workers anymore. Adam and David are friends, or were at one point... and clearly, that friendship still means a lot to David. It's almost touching, isn't it?
@seanfleming7206
Жыл бұрын
I personally have a different take on their dynamic. When Adam was hurt and needed augmentation to survive... to say Sarif went overkill would be an understatement. Adam didn't need most of what they put in him but Sarif invoked Adam's contract and took an executive decision while he was unconscious to absolutely stuff him full of tech. You could argue he did it because he knew Adam would need that tech to stand a chance against their enemies. But I think the real (possibly subconscious) reason was that Sarif was simply curious. He was presented with a subject who was fully compatible with augmentation with no negative side effects, so he stuffed Adam with SARIF tech to see just how far he could push the limits of augmentation and transhumanism with the right body. Adam wasn't a friend to Sarif, he was a proof of concept. Sarif's dreams and ambitions of transhumanism made manifest.
@inkvixen3141
Жыл бұрын
@@seanfleming7206 you may be right, but that's kind of the point of both of our analyses: 'May'.
@primkup
Жыл бұрын
@@seanfleming7206 "Adam wasn't a friend to Sarif, he was a proof of concept." Honestly, by the time of Mankind Divided, I think he was both.
@samg.5165
10 ай бұрын
@@seanfleming7206 While I agree that Sarif is no saint (well, compared to every other cyberpunk CEO, he actually is), I think the true reason why he went overboard with Adam is that he cannot imagine why someone would scorn the gift of augmentation. He made Adam a superhuman, healthier, stronger and smarter than he ever was, with no major side effects and with the company footing the bill. Being an ardent transhumanist, Sarif would have made that decision for himself in a split second, but it probably never crossed his mind that Adam might feel differently.
ever notice he fiddles with the baseball when hes nervous or agitated..thought that was interesting. decided to replay this to get all the achievements anyway, thanks for this!
Adaam you’ve gotta stop reading these comments in my voice
@krzosu
Жыл бұрын
lol i actually did just that xD
@samaepl
Жыл бұрын
We're getting sidetracked here bo---- Son of a bitch!
Now I realize how TYM absorbed Sarif industries
@slippytrippy8122
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. And why adam was taken and possibly cloned
4:57 "You WHAT?!" - I love the bite in Adam's tone here. You can tell he's pissed; Elias Toufexis did a great job voicing Jensen!!
3:40 "She did break your heart, after all." Massive hint that he knew she was alive out there.
Meh, the best way is when you tell him you are going to quit the job. Hint: Adam is something more than security officer. Kek
@FallenxMalo
5 жыл бұрын
Hah yeah i like how he freaks out, knowing he can't let that happen because of reasons. :D
@thinkingofHim.
2 жыл бұрын
He was a prototype of a much larger system.
God I love these converstations
Sarif is a fool You cannot assess a threat if you do not know about it.
@MaxUltimata
4 жыл бұрын
He was trying to prevent Adam from learning the truth about himself because of what he might do if he found out. Adam was genetically modified in a science lab as a child to be 100% compatible with augmentations, and Sarif used a loophole in his security contract to modify Adam with far more augments than was necessary. That's why he hired a freshly fired SWAT member with noted problems with authority and the chain of command.
@QuintaFeira12
3 жыл бұрын
@@MaxUltimata And Sarif then used that DNA research as the basis of a lot of his newer augmentations. The same augmentations that caused the issue at the end of the game. Adam even confronts Sarif about it if you talk to him twice (and you can shoot Sarif in the face if you think Adam should feel insulted about this man's rampant attempts at manipulating and using others, particularly Adam himself). This is one of the most important scenes in the game, because Adam is literally asking and trying to find out about how he got turned into a tool of war and societal change against his will. Even his relationship with Megan was fake, just one more way to keep Adam under surveillance. There's too much at stake in not letting Adam know.
@victuz
3 жыл бұрын
@@QuintaFeira12 Oh man that's sad... So Jensen was modified in the 90s and early 2000s?! That's deep.
seeing as nobody has been able to say so....Thank you. this is very helpful.
the character designs are so beautiful
Steve Goldblum can play Sarif
@novemberalpha6023
4 жыл бұрын
Yup.... That's true....
Thanks!
Ty
Sarif reminds me of my boss at work. Sounds like him too.
@jakie555 You're welcome.
Great guild buddy!
ooo, Serif is such a kitty-kitty!
So get this. DX: Human Revolution movie. Keith Urban as Adam Jensen (I have to wonder if Keith's age would be a factor in playing Jensen, tho), Jeff Goldblum as David Sarif. Who wants to continue the cast? Edit: Karl*
@seanfleming7206
Жыл бұрын
Did you mean to say Karl Urban? Because I could definitely see that.
@TheLivingTempest
Жыл бұрын
@@seanfleming7206 Yes! I got his name wrong lol.
@MelkorHimself
Жыл бұрын
Elias Toufexis could fit as the on-screen actor. He's been in live action (The Expanse), and he bears physical resemblance to Adam Jensen.
When does this happen? After the first mission and before you have to get the implant from the police station?
@nathanstamper8149
7 жыл бұрын
Nah, takes place after that, when Malik flies you in to an unmapped Merc operation mission.
@nathanstamper8149
Жыл бұрын
@Stefano Pavone I'll be honest, I straight up don't even remember what I've commented on here. I haven't played this game since I made this comment, I gotta get back round to it at some point.
This game needs a remaster. Artistically its amazing but the graphically its terrible.
Sorry man, didn't work.
@hipster_tacos
8 жыл бұрын
It just worked for me ;)
@vladivanovici510
7 жыл бұрын
Depends on how well you do on the mission beforehand when you tell him that you proved yourself that day.
@novemberalpha6023
4 жыл бұрын
The outcome depends on more than the inputs you give
@Ziomaletto
3 жыл бұрын
You need to pay closer attention to how he starts the rounds of conversation. deusex.fandom.com/wiki/David_Sarif_Dialogue_Challenge
@UltimatePiccolo
Жыл бұрын
It seems to be random. I argued with him a bit, then refocused and he gave me the info I needed. Incidentally it's how you get the win an argument with your boss steam achievement.