My decision to keep watching this video was determined by tomorrow's exam in philosophy

@tadm123

6 жыл бұрын

Yet you choose to watch it to get a good grade.

@soysource768

5 жыл бұрын

How did it go?

@amenramuxikllc5658

5 жыл бұрын

@@tadm123 and he or she choose to take the class...

@dianaowusu6182

5 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@redbanner17

5 жыл бұрын

My decision to like your comment was because I laughed out loud when I read your comment, and whenever I have read comments and have laughed out loud in the past, I have liked those very comments. Checkmate Free-Willers.

If Oedipus had had a talk with his adopted parents, the entire story wouldn't have happened. That's why communication is important, kids.

@sudeepjoseph69

4 жыл бұрын

It would have happened anyways. You can't escape fate

@Luxonv

4 жыл бұрын

Sudeep Joseph Sirivella Imo if he had done anything else then it wouldn’t have happened but the point is that everything is determined so he never would have spoken to his parents

@patrikwihlke4170

4 жыл бұрын

@@Luxonv This is exactly the point many are missing :) It may all be reduced to the Anthropological Theory. The question with Oedipus is how the oracle knew...

@theordinary1059

4 жыл бұрын

@@sudeepjoseph69 no, it was impossible for him not to do what he did. Just like is impossible for me not to write this right now

@adrianrobinson7144

4 жыл бұрын

@@theordinary1059 while its possible for you to delete it.

“Alright! I’m gonna stop abiding by determinism!” “So what made you think that thought.”

@Zoova

4 жыл бұрын

O_O

@carolinecodilla8580

4 жыл бұрын

There is no escaping everything. 😑

@harrison85

4 жыл бұрын

Well, just because the methods of picking your outcomes are chosen (for example: flipping a coin, asking a friend, or just doing it yourself) does not mean the outcomes are in your control. You chose to do said outcome, but to you, your friend picking strawberry for your side is random to you, however, not to her. Also, in determinism, you may have trusted the person enough to let them do the decision for you. Although your methods of outcomes may be random, the outcomes are random, at least to you.

@jeromedevecais2751

4 жыл бұрын

Bcause it chains

Ive been preaching hard determinism to my friends while stoned for years now and Im only just realizing I didn't come up with it.

@maxrequisite

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I've thought about it before and figured out it was a famous idea

@Casperski1312

4 жыл бұрын

@@maxrequisite I used to think I was secretly a genius for it, but its more likely that determinism is simply a logical endpoint for modern scientific paradigms taught to us in school these days. We're probably just a couple of the relatively small number of people to think that deeply into philosophy without reading about it first.

Thanks for the existential crisis, Hank.

@gamerN77

7 жыл бұрын

Glad I'm not alone.

@TheFoodtubers

7 жыл бұрын

Actually it's a deterministic crisis.

@samjohnson3287

7 жыл бұрын

+overTIMe ditto

@Shangori

7 жыл бұрын

It really never bothered me. It doesnt change my feelings of happiness, anger or sadness. It just means that I was always meant to feel that way at that time. Also, the idea that there is no reason to do anything then, is determined as well. So, if you think it's useless, sure, it's useless. I'm _determined_ to experience as much as possible, no questions asked. Or to quote The Great Rick: Don't think about it.. ..eventho that would be determined as well

@mickeynotmouse

7 жыл бұрын

Shangori, you are a soft determinist.

probably my favourite thing that has happened since starting university is the fact that my lecturers actually use Crash Course Philosophy and Psychology videos as aides in class.

@arifzworld

5 жыл бұрын

@Michael Enquist hehe

@bernardalexander4526

5 жыл бұрын

Quit school and come to KZread then.

@theflash9735

4 жыл бұрын

OMFG THATS SOOOOOOOOO COOL!!!

@gerrynightingale9045

4 жыл бұрын

*And that devalues your 'Class' into meaningless psycho-jargon*

@moodsmoody4936

4 жыл бұрын

Crash course really simplifies things for people like me, but I think in college you should study them in depth and with more complexity

“There is no escaping fate.” “...or is there?” *vsauce music starts playing*

@TaunellE

4 жыл бұрын

"There is No Fate but what we make" -Sarah Conner ❤

@fuadadan5786

4 жыл бұрын

Ah , a man of culture

@farber2

4 жыл бұрын

Fate determined by the properties of an object and by the circumstances an object finds itself in, other fate is prophecy.

@user-yg2ic6bc3c

4 жыл бұрын

Most people are not likely to escape but definetely there is way out of the fate. Lapalce said that the future is predictable as long as precise location and momentum of all matter ia known. Unfortunately, it makes sense within macro world. In micro world based on quantum not classical mechanics, the location of electron in the future is random. It is because we cannot measure both the location and momentum of electron at the same time. More information and reasoning regarding determinism vs. Free will may refer to 'what determined our lives' trillogy in my channel.

@j-dog7767

4 жыл бұрын

But what is THERE? *vsauce Music intensifies*

"I recently failed my existentialism exam. Well, actually, my teacher made me fail."

@adgharoussama7186

4 жыл бұрын

Well, I guess your previous actions made you fail, sorry for you

Just ask yourself "Why?" untill you get to the big bang

@HabibChamoun

5 жыл бұрын

Then you ask another why, and you get the supernatural uncaused cause, the infinite, wich you can call God

@ramdaschakraborty1610

5 жыл бұрын

There's no answer to why.

@HabibChamoun

5 жыл бұрын

@@ramdaschakraborty1610 You are breaking the law of non-contradiction , sir! Your answer to the question is quote on quote: "There is no answer." Absurd, right? 🤔🤔

@arifzworld

5 жыл бұрын

@@HabibChamoun God or Supernatural being or whatever... But yes, there was/is/has to be something. This episode and the episode on Divine command theory etc point out that God does exist.

@ujjalshill6442

5 жыл бұрын

God doesn't exist if you keep asking why

Are you saying Harambe HAD to die?

@eeveedude632

7 жыл бұрын

Its the only exception to determinism

@pietrocelano23

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, but bitching about it makes great memes!

@Alexaflohr

7 жыл бұрын

I understand this is a joke, but I enjoy killing jokes with gut-wrenching cynicism. Yes, that is exactly what determinism is claiming.

@adnanaliable

7 жыл бұрын

yes , dicks out for harambe.

@Adam-wm4ys

7 жыл бұрын

LMAO

The weirdest thing about this is that I chose to see this video when I was eating oatmeal.

@gaston1484

4 жыл бұрын

@@kimhsamh7024 Oh! I'm sorry!

If we are determined, let's hope we are determined to greatness.

"Yes, I have free will; I have no choice but to have it" - Christopher Hitchens

@henrymatthews5809

5 жыл бұрын

That statement is self refuting.!!!

@vedranmiric7534

5 жыл бұрын

@@henrymatthews5809 no.....its not

@gomiladroogies5951

5 жыл бұрын

I guess it was determined that someone would miss the joke woooooosh

@hocuspocus3256

5 жыл бұрын

The definition of Will (noun) is "the faculty by which a person _decides_ on, and _initiates_ action." A Decision (noun) is "a conclusion reached after consideration" which would imply some reasoning behind it. And Action doesn't need to be defined because typing this is an action. If I'm looking at this correctly, I think it's wise to assert that Will is the beginning of a chain of events that leads to an Action, such as writing this. However, what's left to ask is: When did that chain of events begin?

@pottingsoil

5 жыл бұрын

Man is condemned to be free.

If we feel free in doing what we do, does it even matter if all's determined?

@acvarthered

7 жыл бұрын

If you feel like you are walking on level ground does it even matter if you are about to walk off a cliff?

@NefosG

7 жыл бұрын

+acvarthered The difference in your analogy is that we can't EVER know that we're about to walk off a cliff. A perfect prediction of the future seems and probably is impossible, so while everything is determined, we can't ever access that until it already happened.

@AsianCalamariSQ

7 жыл бұрын

Very Matrix-esque. If it really, genuinely *feels* like it's real, does it matter if it isn't?

@NefosG

7 жыл бұрын

Simon WoodburyForget And there is a reason why we're locking them up.

@NefosG

7 жыл бұрын

Simon WoodburyForget More like lock them away so they can't do it again, but I can understand your point.

If someone asked me if we live in a universe of determinism or free will, I would say yes.

@docsspot1953

4 жыл бұрын

Zed Williams yes. No doubt

@darklogic6998

4 жыл бұрын

If that statement is true, you are determined to say yes when presented that question.

@kimhsamh7024

4 жыл бұрын

I guess we will never know for sure. We feel like we have free will but when we try to logically prove that, we can't, what a conundrum!

@aarontan2197

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. Fate is true, there are just multiple times lines for each of the choices you made. Therefore yes.

This is so concise and coherent. I've always been fascinated by the debate of free will and, despite it being a very abstract and complex subject, Hank did an excellent job of explaining it with incredibly clarity.

Why doesn’t Oedipus like to curse? Because he kisses his mother with that mouth.

@mauriciolinares1182

4 жыл бұрын

R. Kayn 😐... 😆 nice

@freepointsgals609

4 жыл бұрын

Nice.

@dokidelta1175

4 жыл бұрын

Nice dude.

@seanshack1872

4 жыл бұрын

Lol😂😂😂

@bluejay6904

4 жыл бұрын

that actually made me chuckle. Thanks.

For some reason hard determinism has been playing on my mind a lot lately. It's like I now feel that my life is like a movie and the beginning and end has already been predetermined. It's like I now feel that all of my thoughts and ideas are now worthless and I'm just some machine that is a part of a much larger machine. Seriously! I am really depressed right now because of this.

I think the point of oedipus is also self fulfilling prophecy. Its like that scene in the first matrix when neo goes to the oracle and she tells him to watch out for the vase, which he then bumps in turning to look to see what vase she was talking about. She then asks "Would you have bumped the vase if I never told you to watch out for it?"

If we live in a deterministic world, why punish criminals for actions they cannot control?

This vid made my determinism hard.

@pedrobravo4404

7 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahahahaha

@bjorntheviking6039

7 жыл бұрын

I found this comment way funnier than I ought to.

@cezarcatalin1406

7 жыл бұрын

+Bjorn The Viking to bad hard determinists can't deal with quantum mechanics and it's multiple worlds interpretation... if everything is pre-determined why can't you just tell the entire future or why can't you tell all that happened in the past? ... the truth is that just by saying "everything is pre-determined and I arrived at this conclusion because it was pre-determined to happen" you should get a metaparadox red light blinking somewhere in your brain... think about it: you know that your knowledge of pre-determination was pre-determined by the pre-determination principle... and if everything was pre-determined by this rule of pre-determination, did this rule pre-determined itself ? ... is like choosing or not choosing to be born, it's absurd ! ...but I have to give you credit Hank, ...you really did tried very hard to give us a existential crisis - but hard determinism got busted anyway... best of luck next time !

@maxwellsimon4538

7 жыл бұрын

Predeterminism only works if you think about time backwards or as if the future is already there, affecting the past in order to "guide" it somehow.

@Fromdeno

7 жыл бұрын

I think the basic concept is one things started everything and everything that followed was predetermined by that very first thing. So like, if I hit a ball and that ball hits a car and that car crashes and person in the other car was on his way to claim the lottery but ruined the ticket then the next person in line won all the money and instead of spending it all on himself like the other guy would've he spent it saving the world and one of those people he saved invented a rock ship that took us to mars and then to venus and then to another galaxy and then lead us into a point of civilization that we started to simulate our existence and you know, so on and so on. So now you think everything else that was influenced by this, like people in the crowd of the baseball game, or people in the streets, and again so on and so on. These would all seem like random things and every action a person made, every choice on an individual level would seem like a choice entirely, but we know that it all was influenced and determined for them based off of the very first thing starting everything. Now of course we have to believe that nothing else existed until that batter actually hit the ball, which is hard cause things like wind and gravity guide the ball, but just pretend. Also it's 3 am. Also also I Just watched something on Elon Musk about simulation and reality that's where I thought it would be entertaining to veer off into that in my example. Also also also it's still almost 3am.

So if I'm a failure in life it's not my fault cause I didn't choose to be? Right? At least that's comforting...

@MrHoeBow

7 жыл бұрын

Reuben Taylor Well, the failing would be caused by a number of events which in turn is caused by a number of events. For example, you are poor because you were under educated because you went to a bad school because your parents lived in a poor region because they were were poor because they blew their lottery winnings too fast because they were poor at money management because they had never had great sums of money because they had worked minimum wage jobs because they were under qualified because they had a poor education because they went to a bad school and so on. I am excluding a number of other variables for simplicity, but the point is made. Also, if you aren't a failure, your successes are also not your doing.

@anananwar

7 жыл бұрын

Failure is infinitely more forgivable and hubris all the more unattractive.

@nocucksinkekistan7321

6 жыл бұрын

That's not comforting. Libertarian free will is comforting because if you're a loser you know at least you aren't a victim.

@stacirivera799

6 жыл бұрын

Lol i love you papi.

@micahwright6008

6 жыл бұрын

Right. And what's even more comforting is that in a parallel universe your not a failure in life instead your successful as a Bill Gates... Idk how many parallel universes parallel to this one where that is true though.

Every decision in your life has lead to you reading this comment 😟

@mr.grantelkade4073

4 жыл бұрын

I... I like you!

@Nucc3

4 жыл бұрын

It all depends where I came from to read this comment, which was to learn something and I didn't because of where I came from.

@adamdreke

4 жыл бұрын

LOL! Perfect!

@marinmaric9583

4 жыл бұрын

Well i didnt read it so that proves... Wait god freakind damn it!

@merikijiya13

4 жыл бұрын

🤔 I think I made a wrong turn back in 6th grade. Shouldn’t have eaten those gummy worms in gym class then maybe I wouldn’t have read this.

1:06 "one often meets His destiny on The path he takes to avoid it"

@aljazkordic6287

4 жыл бұрын

~Master Oogway

“He would kill his father and marry his mother” *ALABAMA 100*

@JoeSnodgrassworks

4 жыл бұрын

ROLL TIDE!

@lisapriola7927

4 жыл бұрын

That's funny 😂😂😂💯

@HNfilms

4 жыл бұрын

reddit moment

@mrmoth26

4 жыл бұрын

Sweet home Alabama.

@lucascampana2993

4 жыл бұрын

Santiago del Estero for us in Argentina

Your honor I don’t have free will therefore I didn’t kill my wife. The universe killed my wife

@kenniagonzalez3647

5 жыл бұрын

that has to do with LaPlace's Demon. which is an argument FOR free will.

@dant5349

5 жыл бұрын

You joke but look up Clarence Darrow

@trelane985

5 жыл бұрын

There is still a conscious reason behind why you killed your wife, even if that conscious reason was determined by the universe. You still did kill your wife and there still will be consequences implemented. But to follow your argument, even these consequences themselves were determined by the universe, so in a sense the universe is punishing itself and we’re mere puppets who play it all out.

@moxfredrikmoxnes2561

5 жыл бұрын

Trelane true

@rhiannonc5616

4 жыл бұрын

It seems intuitive to think, well if there's no free will then I can't be punished for something I had no control over! There may be a lack of moral judgement in the case of no free-will, but determinism IS compatible with policies of punishment. Hearing about someone else being punished for doing something illegal may cause another to avoid doing the same action. Cause and effect!

My philosophical argument: 1) Everything in the universe is governed by physical laws 2) Physical laws can be expressed as a mathematical formula. 3) We - our brains, our bodies, everything - are part of the universe. Conclusion: There is a mathematical formula that can express everything in the universe. So, there is a formula that can describe how every neuron in every person's brain will fire and how everything around them in the physical world will move and create input, etc. This formula is far too complicated to ever calculate, but it exists. Ergo, there is a formula that describes the future, and therefore the future is predetermined, and therefore we don't have free will. It's a very uncomfortable conclusion, but I see no way out of it - we don't have free will.

@SageofPHY6Paths

4 жыл бұрын

Quantum Mechanics is not deterministic. It saves us from determinism. Small particles will behave according to probabilities. So even on large scale determinism will be false.

@shuntpics

4 жыл бұрын

I do agree with you, that we don't have free will. What is the self that has free will? What exactly is taking ownership of that sense of free will? Everything can be expressed in a mathematical formula? What is the formula for the formula? In other words, what is the mechanism for the mechanism itself and so on? Mathematical formulas are part of the universe, would it be possible to construct a mathematical formula that explains all phenomena? If so, what is the metaphysics that lays underneath each formula? It is purely infinite. The universe is nothing but an infinite mind, with limitless imagination. There is no self that exists in truth, that is there to take ownership of having free will. Therefore, both arguments for determinism vs free will are true in a merely relative sense rather than an absolute sense.

@killoffman

4 жыл бұрын

@@shuntpics Just asking here, given that we give meaning to the scientific progress we make as humans, if there is a theoretical mathemtical formula to the workings of the universe and a possibility that we figure it out, will using it to author the destiny of reality be a transition from determinism to free will or will the previous events determine how we author the destiny of the universe?

Whether we live in a deterministic world, or one with free will, it has no actual effect on the experience we have. You still get to choose every day what you do, it's just that whatever you choose it's what you always would have chose. If you choose bad, You always would have chosen bad. If you choose good, you always would have chosen good. So choose wisely.

There's NO way to refute hard determinism. Even if you add in some kind of quantum randomness, which I have heard some people do, you are not in control of that randomness. Likewise, adding variables like preference, genetics, or whatever, does nothing to make your "decisions" less deterministic. They are simply factors involved in the compulsion to act in a particular way.

@kyledolor5257

7 жыл бұрын

"There's only one constant - causality. Action, reaction; cause and effect.."

@matbroomfield

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@TheKeyote

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Quantum randomness doesn't mean your actions aren't predetermined, it just means the universe as a whole isn't predetermined.

@MoreAmerican

7 жыл бұрын

Word. Would you say propensity or proclivity to act/react in a certain way?

@Gold161803

7 жыл бұрын

Couple the quantum randomness--and the tendency for quantum objects to behave differently when observed--with chaos theory, where small changes in initial conditions quickly create huge changes in the resulting process... and you'll end up with something which is built from a deterministic universe but looks enough like it isn't to be able to ignore the distinction.

Well then...Its upto fate to get me a girlfriend...

@Akshatgiri

7 жыл бұрын

Cool...

@matbroomfield

7 жыл бұрын

No, that's not how it works. Determinism does not go out and hunt down a girlfriend. You might be a loser who will never get one. Or, the comment I just made might change something in you, and you are so affronted that you go get someone beautiful. Or accept that you are gay. Or stop caring. Yo do not CHOOSE how to respond to my comment - your programming does. But statistically, there's a girl out there that you'll be happy with and will meet. :-)

@Morec0

7 жыл бұрын

Or not.

@Akshatgiri

7 жыл бұрын

Mat Broomfield What you just described is not determinism...its free will...Determinism states that everything is determined...every decision i make is because of the other things that happened to me ..and those other things happened to me because of other things...i dont have a "free will" to chose whether i want to make myself better and find a girl who is suitable for me....or stay single and live my life.... I do believe in free will because ..well it is just more peaceful and soothing thought.. My comment stays true.. if you believe in determinism..I was mainly trying to mock determinism because that comment is ridiculous if you think about it...

@waltermcmain3461

7 жыл бұрын

I'unno, if not getting one gets you dissatisfied enough to make yourself better as a way to change that did you make a choice to change or were you forced to by deterministic circumstance?

This is really fascinating to me. Philosophy is just such a interesting topic to talk about, all from moral dilemmas to things like this.

"Time to purposefully go mad to prove that I'm free!" -The Underground Man

@TaunellE

4 жыл бұрын

I had to. Go mad to prove that I'm free. It's not fun. That freaking abyss is real..

@IshiFishiPlayzGamez

4 жыл бұрын

Literally saying "to prove that I'm free" is suggesting a cause.

@moodsmoody4936

4 жыл бұрын

But that was because there was a cause "wanting to prove that he was free" meaning he in fact wasn't

@davycrockett8886

4 жыл бұрын

Don't worry his deterministic viewpoint is totally flawed. Our brains don't totally determine our thinking, our thinking determines a lot of our brain activity.

I think the important thing to remember if you, like me, started feeling Determinism a long time ago but weren't sure how to rationalize it to yourself: you're a product of your genetics, your environment, your experiences, the people you happen to meet and the places you happen to go, but your experiences, feelings, and memories are very real and they are yours. :)

Hard determinism seems like it would also have some positive implications. For example; instead of punishing people for committing crimes we could see more value in rehabilitation, forcing inmates into a carefully crafted series of experiences designed to alter their personality in a way that is conducive to the rule of law.

@Starcrash6984

7 жыл бұрын

Have you read David Eagleman's book _Incognito_? I think you'd enjoy it.

@WarriorJRD97

7 жыл бұрын

You don't need to have a free will discussion to understand the positive implications of rehabilitation vs retribution. Hard determinism is helped by the fact criminology and psychology are further finding common factors in criminals in how they were raised, their social status, beliefs, etc.

@RandomAcronyms

7 жыл бұрын

ah man, you beat me to this comment. although, me being first was an impossibility, so no worries mate.

@tom70077

7 жыл бұрын

Well, most people exposed to the philosophy of hard determinism develop a sort of 'the devil made me do it' attitude. Which is the last thing you want them to have since it might be used to remove the 'burden' of personal responsibility. All this is probably not very practical anyway...and if it fails, well, then that'd be determined

@tom70077

7 жыл бұрын

Also....that whole proposal sounds very ominous

So turns out there’s a word for what I’ve been believing. I’m a determinist. I always get into discussions about “we don’t actually have free will we think we do but the choices we make is backed up by other thoughts and so on and so forth that lead us to “choose”” but people always fought me saying lno We do have free will because I chose this I could’ve chose the other thing “ but i’m like “but you chose it because of other factors.” I’m glad it led me to this I was watching something about solipsism and got here lol. I can just show this to people so they can stop fighting me. Thank you crash course

@monsymont9139

4 жыл бұрын

I didn’t get mad at this at all lmfao cuz turns out I already believed in it I was just agreeing the whole time HAHAHA.

I think that because my belief that CrashCourse is great and educational and my desire to be smart and educated and my temperament to watch something funny yet not unuseful has determined what I am doing right now, and also congrats for the new Play Button. You guys deserved it.

We can act on our desires but we do not chose our desires. Our desires come from our genes and experiences which shaped our personality which determine how we will act in every situation. Our genes were given to us without any choice on our part. Our experiences at least in our younger years were beyond much of our control since our parents had a big part in them. So the personalities we have we did not chose and yet we make all our decisions based on it

@improvgenius2810

5 жыл бұрын

Personality is a choice based on habits and rituals and its the very reason people can change. In fact, if you don't want to believe me then explain why sociopaths exist. Sociopaths are created but it is not a mental disorder. There are a lot of people in this world that let their parents be their main influence including I who decided to have their own interests in the future. Another thing is our brains are hardwired to tell us to play it safe and stick to what was familiar with. However, we adapt and evolve. Anyone can do what they want and the cold hard truth is the only thing holding them back is fear. Once you can get past that you can become the next Albert Einstein. So there really is no side to pick, it's rather what you make of it to be. It is the very explanation of why Albert Einstein became well known and did not go to college.

@lennydelgado2501

5 жыл бұрын

Sam Harris is that you ?

@paulableier2305

5 жыл бұрын

That is compatibalismus. Its when you belive that determinismus and free will are compatbal and can coexist in the same timeline.

@andrewbart2515

5 жыл бұрын

@@improvgenius2810 you disagree with the video I'm guessing. Also we adapt and evolve. How do we do that? Maybe that question could be answered the same way "what determines what decision we make". We make decision. We make decisions based on things. We are a brain. A brain takes information and processes it. The brain processes information depending on your experiences and what kind of brain you have. You take in information that is not yours, you use a brain that is not yours and make a choice with a mouth that is not yours. Which begs the question. What are you? Nothing.

@roro-mm7cc

5 жыл бұрын

we are just survival gene copying machines and genes program in things like pleasure and pain to control our behaviour so we do whats most likely to get the genes passed on. sex is the most pleasurable feeling for this reason - our genes program the orgssm to feel good so we are motivated to spemd huge amounts of effort and time to acheive this goal.. we are all slaves ut dont care because the slave work feels good. we should probably learn from how our genes control us and think about using this kind of system to control AIs so their consciousness enjoys working for us and feels connections/freindship toward us.

If we don't choose our actions, how can we be held accountable for them?

@marvinedwards737

7 жыл бұрын

TheRoodio, If we don't choose our actions, how can we avoid holding people accountable?

@TheRoodio

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, you have a point. So basically it's determined that the murderer will commit his crime and that he will or will not go to jail. There's nothing we can do. Because we don't "do" anything per see. Things just happen.

@marvinedwards737

7 жыл бұрын

My point is that universal inevitability changes nothing. The final "prior" cause of our deliberate actions is still the thoughts and feelings we had that led us to that decision. The point of "holding responsible" is to identify what caused the harm we are trying to prevent so that we can correct that cause. Rehabilitation changes the prisoner's thoughts and feelings through counseling, addiction therapy, education, job training, post-release follow-up, and so forth. Determinism doesn't actually change anything. And those who think it does are wrong.

@adense13

7 жыл бұрын

+TheRoodio We *can* do something about it. It's just that it is already determined what we will do. There is, I think, no point in trying to apply determinism on morality. Mortality is a very abstract concept that is far removed from the more basic workings of the universe.

@azark.973

6 жыл бұрын

We choose - we only are determined too do so. We can decide to change our attitude or to act in an other way - but how we will have eventually acted, is sure. You can decide whether you kill that person or not, but your decision is based on everything that happened before. And think about it - if everything was random, wouldn't we be determined by this exact randomness?

Me: Happy about life Crash Course: let me ruine this man's life.

@davidbloxham5062

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah determinsm is the final kick to a humans balls. First you hear your going to die. Santa is fake Yours parents aren't perfect Religion is a lie We evolved and are not special We have no free will and nothing we do matters. Dude determinism is the final kick to our balls. How much more can we take? 👊🤕

@jeromedevecais2751

4 жыл бұрын

Thats life -Joker

Beautiful narration, graphics, most importantly interesting content. Best philosophy classes. Thank you

This fills me with determination. sorry

@fish_citizen

7 жыл бұрын

Lol

@meowdynyall9284

7 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately.

@Zeuts85

7 жыл бұрын

Hahaha. Man I love that game.

@zixitix3374

7 жыл бұрын

nice one)))

@benshoemaker1318

7 жыл бұрын

moony fills me with scapegoats

It’s not that you don’t choose anything. It’s that you don’t choose your self from the beginning.

Never watched or studied about Free will in this cool way. Loved it!

God! This video is so dark, insightful, stimulating and humorous! Thank you Hank and team! 😂😂😂

Just here for my daily existential crisis

You pass butter.

@F4rl30d

5 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the club pal 😉

@fyr3st0rm35

5 жыл бұрын

I substitute your reality and replace it with my own.

@njabulomlotshwa6810

5 жыл бұрын

Sanchez

@balajisridhar

4 жыл бұрын

Wrong video mate. "You pass butter" is about existentialism

great video this presented ideas which i had, long standing problems with putting into words and you put them into words........i love determinizim

This is amazing. Well done on this.

I KEEP TRYING TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS IN ORDER TO EXERCISE MY FREE WILL BUT I DONT HAVE ANY

@DrBrainTickler

7 жыл бұрын

3rd option... freewill braided with determinism. ;-)

@isillor529

7 жыл бұрын

+Beyond Psychology 4th option, none of this is "proven" enough to utilize beyond a simple mental exercise in the act of comprehending it.....

@isillor529

7 жыл бұрын

Beyond Psychology but still fascinating.

@marvinedwards737

7 жыл бұрын

It was inevitable that you would choose to do so of your own free will.

@technolus5742

7 жыл бұрын

Marvin Edwards what free will?

If you make something happen, it was already determined to happen that way. Don't be afraid to go out and chase your dreams and see if you were destined to live those dreams. Although free will is an illusion, it doesn't change that whatever you "make happen" is going to be your reality. If you fail, well, you were destined to fail. This leaves no guilt behind and would help you move on. This is good because I never seen anyone getting better off by holding onto pasts. Good philosophy!

@tadm123

5 жыл бұрын

You're smuggling a lot of free will action words in here. If you are determined then anything you do doesn't matter, you will end up at the same conclusion that if you tried or didn't because everything is 100% outside your control.

As a post-grad student of philosophy, I have to say this conversation goes way deeper than this video. Even some of the claims of the video (mind, body, the functioning of the universe) are based upon prior assumptions that affect the way the whole free will v. determinism is understood and thus I find it has an uneven take. However, this analysis probably comes from me overanalyzing a video that is intended to be a very basic look on this topic lol. P.S. those who like to fight over everything, don't @ me because I will ignore. Trying to get you trolls on a diet 😂👍.

I just discovered that I was a hard determinist for the past 2 years. Honestly I know my every action, decision, thoughts are unavoidable but there's no problem living as if I had a free will.(which again was predetermined.)

We're not here because we're free, we're here because we're not free. - sincerely, Agent Smith

@stephennalewanyj6904

6 жыл бұрын

You have no choice except to believe in free will.

@MaxPower-cf9sq

6 жыл бұрын

Stephen Nalewanyj well said my friend.

@pango4425

6 жыл бұрын

Stephen Nalewanyj My brain hurts. Stahp.

@warrensmith792

6 жыл бұрын

Stephen Nalewanyj or no choice but to not.

@hamzaahmed3066

6 жыл бұрын

Love that movie

We're inventively going to make a lot of of great, bad jokes down here.

@benaaronmusic

7 жыл бұрын

It's already been determined.

@BingeWatchers

7 жыл бұрын

And I inevitably wrote the wrong word in my comment.

@MikeFromOz

7 жыл бұрын

Don't worry, you were fated to do as much :) Or destined. Your choice really, it matters not either way :)

@thelordscorner8502

7 жыл бұрын

People have the limited Free Will. People can decide when to eat, when to sleep, when to sin, however, people do not have the power to tell God he is going to save you today because of your free will. John 6:44 King James Version (KJV) 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

@liamc3995

6 жыл бұрын

Hey! I love your channel!

This was so great I even watched the ads at the end.

Who else is watching Devs and wish to understand determinism? Bear in mind, your arrival to this channel is pretty much determined. :P

@gwendolyncourtney9198

4 жыл бұрын

baba yaga oh my gosh, I know right! I wonder if it was determined that I’d pause devs in Episode 5 and watch a crash course of Determinism and then proceed to read the comments which lead me to here! This show is messing me up!

@elijahclaude3413

4 жыл бұрын

Lol Im watching this to prove that determinism doesnt exist. But in this version of reality, I did indeed choose to watch this video :P

"Free will is just an illusion. Life is a game that plays us."-

@Rogersensei93

7 жыл бұрын

joking. We have the ability to choose how we feel and what we think at any present moment despite what has happened in our past or what is happening in our now. That is free will.

@Noschool100

7 жыл бұрын

to be fair, it could just feel like that due to ones ignorance, like of a coil flip feels random due to chaos theory but if we knew all of the physical forces at work you could know what the could flip would result in 100% of the time. if you knew how all the chemicals and cells were interacting in your you head then the veil of ignorance and your thoughts would be just as deterministic as a coin flip, or just random if quantum mechanics has an actual impact on the macroscopic world, neither case is really free will.

@Rogersensei93

7 жыл бұрын

these are "if's" that you're talking about. If you know that you are in control of your actions, thoughts, and feelings despite what has happened in your past or what's happening in your present than you know that free will is. A belief is only a thought that you keep thinking about. If you think that you have free will and prove it to yourself over and over again in your life, than free will is your reality.

@Rogersensei93

7 жыл бұрын

there is no right or wrong. I choose to believe/know that free will is in my reality.

@Noschool100

7 жыл бұрын

RogerTHFC believing in something doesn't prove it to be true, i could believe a coin flip will be tails even if all the calculated forces interacting on the coin says it will be heads. my beliefs won't change reality, i'll just be living in denial.

Love the videos, thank you so much for compiling information in such a creative and fun way :)

not sure why you got all the thumbs down. Great job presenting a very complicated topic. Did you resolve the issue? No, but neither has thousands of years of debate. This was the first time I came across your channel and really enjoyed the production. Nice work!

“Rather than give you the illusion of free choice, I will be choosing for you”

@wolfbenson

4 жыл бұрын

A: Do you believe in free will? B: I have no choice.

Determinism can make you feel more compassionate

@socrates4002

7 жыл бұрын

Instead of blaming people, we should blame conditions.

@CHollman82

7 жыл бұрын

Indeed, that is the most significant effect this understanding has had on me personally.

@Monochromicornicopia

7 жыл бұрын

The justice system is a natural and determined outcome, too. Punishment is a necessary mechanic for our social culture.

@socrates4002

7 жыл бұрын

GDI Although your argument is an appealing fallacy, You're right. It's necessary to keep society safe from bad behavior. But if we blame conditions, it will be easier for us to prevent them.

@Monochromicornicopia

7 жыл бұрын

Chaos Theory You can't accuse someone of committing a fallacy without describing the exact fallacy. You basically said "You're wrong" without following it with any actual reasoning or evidence. "But if we blame conditions, it will be easier for us to prevent them." - I don't believe you.

Why do i laugh when realizing im tied to fate and everything i do doesn't have meaning except for the one i give it

Watching this video was because I have chosen to write an article on Dalida's song "A Ma Maniere". Comparing different cultures i.e. Western vs. Eastern or French and English vs. Arabic. Thanks a million for the simplified yet informative educative video.

Thank you Crash Course! For giving us such good lessons and making me go through an existential crisis!

Today's existential crisis was brought to you by SquareSpace! Make it beautiful.

We can all make the theories we want but none of us will really knows whats happening,everything is possible

Nothing makes me feel less in control over my life than going on a KZread video binge, watching some videos that make me think I out of nowhere want to rewatch this video, and the first search result before I type anything in is the crash course determinism thumbnail… KZread knew what I wanted to search, I was set on a path that I couldn’t see, but the algorithm was following perfectly.

Love your stuff! Thanks for posting

I remember when I used to believe in just Free Will. Then I remember being a Determinist. Then I realized the entire debate rests on language so misguided and so silly it blew my mind that I had not understood earlier than I did. The truth is while the world, existence, is deterministic, our experience is free. CrashCourse shrugs off the statement, "But I feel free" and this is so absolutely important that it's stunning that we classify this as useless. Our experience is free. We cannot experience experience as anything but that. There's no such thing as experiencing determinism. At all. So the truth is while all is determined, while even my experience is determined, experience in itself, what is essentially us, is free. We are free in a deterministic world. It's beautifully. So God damn beautiful.

@freddygomez8051

5 жыл бұрын

Check out the free will episode from Mind Field, it talks about an experiment where they connect some sensors to people's heads and ask them to press a right or a left button, each one with a light, and what they see is that it seems that machine detects their decision and the light turns on right BEFORE they feel like they made the decision, and an explanation for this could be that the decision is made deterministically by our body being a biological machine, and then our mind just convinces itself that it made that decision right after it happened. Something interesting to think about

@bonappetit822

5 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t make sense. There’s no freedom in determinism

@crimsonmask3819

5 жыл бұрын

"Feeling" free is not significant. That is an illusion and has been _proven_ so through physical testing that reveals we determine our actions and reactions _before_ we translate that back around into the sense of agency. That is, we're constantly justifying our actions to ourselves. We _can_ take control of our actions, just not _in the moment._ In order to change your behavior in any way from whatever your genetics or environmental reinforcement have established, you must *stop* and take time to determine what behavior you want to exhibit across a spectrum of possible situations, and then take time training, or re-training, yourself to respond in the new way. This can be as limited as breaking a single bad habit or as complex as logically re-constructing your personal moral/ethical philosophy from the ground up and building consistency with that framework into _your_ actions going forward. Either way, there are still many deterministic factors -- from all the philosophy, human reasoning, and firsthand life experience you have to draw upon in constructing your new framework, to this fleeting post on KZread suggesting the possibility. Yet, this is as close as _I_ have been able to find to _"free_ will."

@5Cats

5 жыл бұрын

I totally agree, this guy is just "whistling Dixie" here... Being predetermined to think you are free doesn't actually make you free: it makes you a mindless robot.

@dokidelta1175

5 жыл бұрын

As poetic and beautiful as this comment is, personal feelings in fact have no implication in the science behind them.

Soft Determinism all the way.

@Search4truth488

7 жыл бұрын

Soft determinism makes no sense.

@besmiraalija8990

7 жыл бұрын

Chris P. Bacon Soft determinism asserts that humans aren't completely free due to agents such as poverty, laws, mental health, etc. Why do you believe it doesn't make sense?

@Search4truth488

7 жыл бұрын

Besmira Alija You used exactly the correct word, 'asserts', ie. concluding without any evidence or argument. The concept of freewill makes no sense. There is no place for it in any interpretation of reality. Every choice can be explained completely by physical process. Neuroscience is advancing quickly, and will soon erode your beliefs.

@besmiraalija8990

7 жыл бұрын

+Chris P. Bacon you didn't explain why it "doesn't make sense" though. You said there are no arguments/evidence for it...but there are. Also, can't that go for a lot of things? Since you brought up neuroscience, there was a bug in a system being used for brain analysis, meaning everything we know about the brain could be a fallacy. Everything we know about anything could be completely false in general. Do humans actually KNOW anything? I got a bit existential there but anyway, what do you believe in? I'm curious.

@besmiraalija8990

7 жыл бұрын

+Chris P. Bacon The flip side of this argument is indeterminism. Complete entropy/disorder. The idea that every event is completely random. I'm pretty open minded, both of them seem pretty logical to me.

I like this SO MUCH more than his other channel. Suits him better

If we think about it we don't control anything about our lives. Where you born, when you born, how you born are all matter. Your country, your family, your culture, how your family raised you, experiences you have, opportunities you encounter, your friends, your talents, your health, your intelligence, your genes, people you meet, your thoughts and beliefs and all things that determine your life aren't in your control. 99% of the time life is all about chance. It's all about time and place. You have no control what so ever. We just react and try to move or do something in our limited box. Life is just random. It just plays it's numbers and some people are lucky and most of them aren't.

5:57 sums it up quite nicely.

If Oedipus had any sense he would have never killed or married ANYONE, thus making it impossible for the prophecy to come true.

@99baking

7 жыл бұрын

Also, how are humans brains any different that the rest of the universe? They are made up of particles and neurons, and a subject tot he laws of physics. The whole "agent" thing doesn't make much sense to me.

@AsianCalamariSQ

7 жыл бұрын

The theory is that there's something metaphysical about humans which gives them free will (a mind, soul, whatever).

@emmanueladeniji3719

7 жыл бұрын

or he just shouldnt have married someone that much older than him

@ToqTheWise

7 жыл бұрын

Or better yet killed himself. ...Jesus Christ that's dark! Nevermind!

@de132

7 жыл бұрын

+Toq The Wise Or just not kill anyone, if he doesn't kill any man, he couldn't marry his mother because his mother would've been married. Unless he died... Okay, so don't marry any widows or women 9-20 years older than him

i couldn't get off this video cause it was aesthetically well done and entertaining this was you determined to do as a video for me.

This video helps me to really understand Determinism Vs. Free will. God bless for me for reporting this in the class tomorrow.... I hope that I am determined to be successful..

One question I have is does this take into account quantum mechanics? Because at the very small level, things are probabilistic, and there are multiple possible outcomes, right?

I was determined to really love this video :)

awesome video. i determine to continue watching the rest as i need to write and essay.

I came to these conclusions a while ago, but it was a KZread comment on another video describing my beliefs of the real world as something called “determinism” that ultimately led me to this video.

A happy hard determinist here. Hello.

@metallsnubben

7 жыл бұрын

hi

@jayskiv4125

7 жыл бұрын

You people can't be happy

@aBigBadWolf

7 жыл бұрын

+

@josephburchanowski4636

7 жыл бұрын

+Prentice Darlington So how does quantum mechanics work? Also why are supposed gears in a cog (humans I mean) conscious if consciousness isn't necessary for gears to work? Hard determinism seems as crazy as those who believe in Newton's Clock.

@monkeibusiness

7 жыл бұрын

DERTERMINED TO BE HAPPY

Something in my mind determined that I should comment that this is easily the episode that has me thinking the most from the series so far. Good work!

Yes!!! Thank you!!! -- explaining the point of Oedipus - "Fate", Freud notwithstanding.

Arg my head hurts so much!! haha :D Way to go, Crash Course Philosophy! Thanks for making me think about this!

It is also possible that the structure of cause and effect isn't an entirely accurate representation of what is really going on, but only a tool we have for mapping out sequences of events. To say that the world is determined can only be an induction, and it would be really difficult, if not impossible, to actually prove that cause and effect are intrinsic elements of reality. This would imply that the dichotomy of freedom vs determinism may both be reliant on questionable assumptions, and that we ought to think about the problem in new ways.

@thomasmeinhardt9793

7 жыл бұрын

We can make that argument about just about anything. We may have a flawed understanding of gravity, yet we're able to determine the gravitational constant to a great enough degree of certainty that we can launch satellites into orbit and safely return payloads through reentry to the earth's surface. Our conceptualization of cause and effect and the flow of time may be imperfect, but we can understand cause and effect in the physical and chemical world that we inhabit well enough to be able to ignite jet fuel in rocket engines to launch said satellites into orbit. From a reductionist view, everything about ourselves boil down to similar physical, chemical, and biological processes. Common examples of cause and effect when it comes to a person's behaviors would be... knowing how to push someone's buttons to make them angry, or taking a dose of antidepressants to alter the chemical makeup of your brain to make you less sad, or respondent. Barring any new discovery that upends everything we know about the laws of physics, cause and effect is a very suitable way of understanding the world that we see and interact with. The laws of physics (as we know them, whether or not there are more that we don't yet understand) apply to everything in the universe, ourselves included.

@nts4906

7 жыл бұрын

+Thomas Meinhardt I don't understand your point. I never said that using patterns of cause and effect weren't useful. This argument is about understanding whether we are free or are determined, but while we can map certain patterns to varying degrees of accuracy, you are mistaking the tool for the world. Just because using formulae of cause effect is useful doesn't mean that the world itself can be understood deterministically. Like I said, it is no more than an induction. If you are doing philosophy, following popular and simple views of the world like determinism doesn't really do anything to further your understanding of the world or yourself, and is lazy.

@DrBrainTickler

7 жыл бұрын

Nate Saint Ours no, the argument is one of semantics... You can't prove free will or determinism either way and apply it to our choices so really all we are doing is deciding what we want to the words free will to mean. Every other debate is a waste of time. It only leads to more debate. Opinion plus opinion equals opinion.

@nts4906

7 жыл бұрын

You don't debate with opinion. You debate with reason...

@DrBrainTickler

7 жыл бұрын

Nate Saint Ours when we have all the evidence because we've done our research thoroughly and we have logic as well as cause and effect analysis locked down; we end up with the same answers because we can suss out what the most likely truth is... There is no debate. The only reason for a debate is when people have nothing but opinions and they don't know what they're talking about. It's a child's game. It's psyops. You're brainwashed with high school debate team BS. You are emulating all the other brainwashed sheep. You are distracted and you will never achieve accurate thinking until you escaped said brainwashed. Just to be clear, I'm not playing your pathetic childish game. I'm telling you what the truth is and then you think that you can debate the facts with your opinions. You create debate points for an argument that doesn't even exist and I most certainly am not having with you. This is very common that people think I am offering up a point in some debate... That I am making an argument rather than stating the facts of the matter.... I hate to break it to you; just like I hate to break it to everybody else but I don't bother with anything but the truth and if I don't know; I just quickly admit that I don't know... Because of this I'm almost never wrong. It's very simple. Get good at admitting when you just don't know and you'll never have any pointless debates and you'll almost never be wrong about anything.

Hank has really good comedy chops; he had me cracking up during the hard determinism bit. T'was *DETERMINED* that I leave a comment, so there ya go.

I decide to watch thus video because I have a debate later and I am team up with determinism so Thank you for this video 😅😅 I just learned something from this video I mean not just like something it's like all the learnings here 🤩 thank youu

This is one of the best videos I have ever seen 🤯🤯😂😂🤯🤯❤️❤️❤️

Determinism is real, there is no way around it, but the good new is that it doesn't matter. We have the illusion of free will so it doesn't matter what is true, most people no matter what will always live their lives like we have free will.

@marvinedwards737

7 жыл бұрын

There is a woman sitting at a table in a restaurant. She looks over the menu, thinks about what she'd like to eat and perhaps what she should eat, and tells the waiter her choice. We empirically know that a process of choosing actually happened (multiple options were input and a single choice was output). And there was no one else at the table urging her to choose one rather than the other. All of the voices influencing her decision were coming from her, and her alone. And if a neuroscientist did a brain scan during the process, he would confirm that the event actually occurred in her own brain. So, where's this "illusion" you refer to?

@mfpope7431

7 жыл бұрын

Marvin Edwards while it looked like multiple options there was really just one, she will make the same decision, she will come to the same conclusion, unless some one interferes. It was all determined by herself and things around her. It was not her choice, even though it seemed like it

@marvinedwards737

7 жыл бұрын

Muhammad Pope Let's see. You say she "had no choice" even though (a) there were multiple choices on the menu, and (b) she considered more than one of them, and then (c) she chose the one she wanted? I'd have to say your claim that she had no choice is empirically false. Do you have any evidence at all to back up your claim? Your evidence so far, "It was all determined by herself and things around her." seems to support my claim that she, herself, as she was at that time, was the only meaningful and relevant cause of her choice. (Okay, I'll give you the menu as the "things around her", but it did not do the choosing for her).

@mfpope7431

7 жыл бұрын

Marvin Edwards I feel like you just don't understand determinism

@marvinedwards737

7 жыл бұрын

Muhammad Pope Determinism is the belief that objects and forces in the universe behave in a rational, reliable, and theoretically predictable way. A corollary of determinism is universal inevitability. All events will roll out in precisely one and only one way. Everything that happens is always inevitable. However, determinism itself is not an object or a force, but rather an assertion about the reliability objects and forces to cause and their effects. Determinism itself is not a cause, but we humans have a tendency to anthropomorphize concepts (to speak of them as if they were people). Among the objects in the universe you will notice that some are non-living, inanimate objects while other objects are animate, living organisms. Both are made out of the same inanimate smaller stuff (molecules, atoms, etc.). However, living organisms display properties that are not found in non-living matter. Living organisms actively seek out the materials in the environment that they need to survive, thrive, and reproduce. Still with me? Certain properties emerge in living organisms which do not exist in the inanimate material of which they are made. One of these properties is a biological drive to survive, thrive, and reproduce. They do not merely interact passively with the environment according to physical laws. They are also behave purposefully. The biologist can explain to you why they breathe, why they seek out food, why they have intercourse, and so on. If you poke a tiger you'll get a very different reaction than if you poke a billiard ball. The billiard ball will simply go along passively according to physical forces. The tiger is likely to bite your hand off to remove the irritant poking at him. The tiger's actions are still deterministic. But the tiger is no longer acting passively at the whim of external forces. It is acting according to a purpose uniquely encapsulated in its being. To predict the tiger's behavior, you have to know how a tiger is likely to react when it's hungry, when it feels threatened, when it is caressing its cubs, etc. The same is true for humans. Our decisions are still deterministic, but they are also decisions driven by a purpose uniquely encapsulated within us, a "biological will". And, as an "intelligent" species, we can imagine different ways to satisfy our drives, and choose among them the option that seems best to us. And it is in this choosing that we control what we do next. Again, our choosing process is still deterministic. Given a range of choices we will always select the one that best suits our own purpose and our own reasons at the moment. And if we decide for ourselves what we WILL do, FREE of coercion or other undue influences, then we humans call that "free will". Every choice we make of our own free will is also causally inevitable. But of these two facts, autonomy and inevitability, only the fact that it was us making the decision is important. The fact that it was inevitable is always irrelevant, because, heck, everything that happens is always inevitable. But what we inevitably do is still up to us.

Thanks, now i feel so conflicted. I guess that's determined too

My decision to watch this video was spontaneously determined in the suggestion box.

@wingsuiter2392

5 жыл бұрын

But was it really spontaneous?

I really love this channel

Thanks for creating the philosophy crash course. Its brilliant.

This sounds like Sam Harris and Dan Dennet arguing all over again...

@logicalphilosophy841

7 жыл бұрын

and?

@johannesgh90

7 жыл бұрын

What is this, improv? What's your question?

@cholten99

7 жыл бұрын

Which is a shame - I know there's only so much time but compatibilism is super interesting.

@SolarShado

7 жыл бұрын

From the line about next episode, it sounds like compatibilism is on the to-discuss list

@johannesgh90

7 жыл бұрын

Yes that's the problem, I feel. I completely get it that you would want to hurt someone that has hurt you or someone you love, but I think it's dangerous to think that's like the right thing to do.

thank you!!! everything makes s much sense!!

The video fills me with determination.

How is this even debatable? Determinism, at least on a macroscopic level, is proven. If human thoughts follow free will then explain the study of human psychology. Your actions are predicted by almost every psychology book that exists.

@MrDanygonc

7 жыл бұрын

while I do agree, even in a psychological level there still can occur unpredictable things

@jayjones5234

7 жыл бұрын

you do realize that psychology deals more with the likely-hood of a decision therefor there are actions people chose and the same cause will never effect the same person or anyone else the same

@justtheouch

7 жыл бұрын

Psychology cannot determine precisely what any one person will do with 100% accuracy, it is not that advanced. That does not deny the possibility that it might one day be able to however, but it certainly cannot now.

@ForOrAgainstUs

7 жыл бұрын

Because say you accept determinism. Now what? You are going to still act as though you have free will in the way that free will is defined. You accept that people are responsible for their actions. You will attempt to convince people that they have a choice to choose determinism, regardless of the fact that you're determined to try to convince them and they are determined to deny it. Determinism is pointless because it has the EXACT SAME outcome as accepting free will, other than the fact that you have these small bits of your life where you argue for determinism over free will.

@jayfreck2

7 жыл бұрын

can you give an example?

another conflicting viewpoint is how determinists explaim the big bang. how did the big bang start if no physical actions preceded the "first onr" known as the big bang. and if an action did really precede it, then, hypothetically, how did the first ever action take place? (of nothing?)

@shadowling77777

7 жыл бұрын

thefreedomofchoice.com/ Free book, give it a read. :D

@metalcake2288

7 жыл бұрын

There is no such thing as nothing, if nothing existed it wouldn't exist.

@marvinedwards737

7 жыл бұрын

Well, since we all agree that something cannot come out of nothing, we must accept that something is eternal. I call the eternal thing "stuff-in-motion". Stuff would be all the various forms of matter and motion would also include stuff transforming into other stuff due to physical forces, as when a super-colossal black hole gets one straw too many and explodes into a new universe of atoms and molecules which eventually get swept up into other black holes until the last straw and you get another big bang.

@ColinTherac117

7 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure recent experiments conducted by Stephan Hawking and a couple of others with the Hubble telescope (I remember the article mentioned there was some kind of bet invloved with the experiment which was part of why i remember it existed) that have concluded that the idea of the eternal cyclical universe is debunked. But I don't know where I read that so take it with a grain of salt. But since the existence of matter and its spreading out in the big bang is contingent upon the expansion of space itself (not the expansion of matter), why does it make sense for things that affect matter such as gravity to also affect the expansion of space itself such that space would then necessarily contract back to its previous state as a single point? All scientific study relies upon understanding the mechanisms of physical reality. And as yet there is no observed phenomenon to support that there is a mechanism that will cause space itself to contract again, at least as far as I have heard yet.

@marvinedwards737

7 жыл бұрын

Colin Theriac I don't know that infinity can expand, but, given infinity, there would likely be an infinite number of universes, with big bangs occurring all over the place like a pan of popping corn. It may be the case that material expanding out from the outer edge of one universe combines with matter from others to create more super-massive black holes and new universes. But there's no way to confirm any of this. It's pretty much all speculation.

I see it as we are jus spectators watching a game but we relate to the characters so well that we think were in control

In a way this makes sense I remember watching this video a while back when I was still confused about a lot of things I watch this video now and it makes a lot more sense. The only thing that can’t accept it hard determinism is the being in your head also know as the ego.