I feel no one seems to talk much about how Eris Morn's actions once again pull us further away from the Dark Timeline. In the Dark Timeline, according to Elsie Bray, Eris Morn became the new Witch Queen. With her current actions, she REJECTED all the powers she could have had.

With her throne abdicated by force, Xivu Arath looks to Kelgorath once again to take her mantle and fight as her mighty champion.

@WrathNebula321

9 ай бұрын

I doubt Kelgorath will take up the mantle of the God of War after what we saw of him back in Season of the Deep, but then again, Kelgorath has always been a persistent foe.

@silverthekitsune7007

9 ай бұрын

Most likely to make herself feel better

@spicyprovolone4986

9 ай бұрын

God I freaking hope lmao

@Notyourstodisclose

9 ай бұрын

It would complete his Taniks arc if he was the final boss of a raid that would have take place in Xivu’s throne world.

@peterdubinsky5389

9 ай бұрын

Xivu should take her hive and proceed to worship and offer everything possible to Nezarec to resurrect him and TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT INSANE POWER DYNAMIC OF XIVU AND NEZAREC JUICING EACH OTHER UP BUNGIE DO THIS PLEASE!!!!!

Damn I loved that scene Witch Queen: "All according to my plan" Eris: "This was never your plan"

Since they're are still lore pages and a few more recordings left, that gives me hope that we'll either hear or read Xivu's reaction to her banishment.

@bigbangrafa8435

9 ай бұрын

Imagine the loudest scream ever recorded, but being transmited through the 5th dimension. That's what I imagine It to be.

@gargathulothhastur4981

9 ай бұрын

​@@bigbangrafa8435Should she not be happy? That's the sword logic.

@jsmaster4779

9 ай бұрын

@@gargathulothhastur4981 lol yup. But from what Savathún mentioned this season as well, Xivu’s sort of a hypocrite.

@gargathulothhastur4981

9 ай бұрын

@@jsmaster4779 Savvy is a liar

@ThyBigCheddar

8 ай бұрын

​@@gargathulothhastur4981 Not in this case. Wanting revenge isn't sword logic. We proved our right to exist by killing oryx yet she wants revenge for his death.

I’m fully expecting Toland to take over a throne world sometime soon. He’s been a background player for so long I can imagine him getting a shine in the episode called Heresy

@jamesbonds3058

9 ай бұрын

You sir have my attention🧐

@Acheron420

2 ай бұрын

Right been saying the same thing for years, Toland needs to claim the dreadnought as his throne world and come back into being, being real I don’t want him to end up evil, but seeing him be the first person to go from losing his light to gaining darkness to gaining a throne world and then maybe gaining prismatic

While the most likely outcome is that either Tolan will move in, or more likely another powerful Hive in the future, I'm thinking it's also possible that the Throne World might just fall apart if left unoccupied long enough. Like threads in clothing slowly breaking and becoming undone, or parts of the earth slowly being eroded by water flows. If it's not filled up or found and destroyed it's possible that it'll simply wash away.

@farismallah5740

9 ай бұрын

I mean yeah the black terrace could…decompose? I don’t know if it’s literally a living thing or if it’s just xivu being dramatic

@Noblesix84

9 ай бұрын

@@farismallah5740 I'm basing it off the logic of there needing to be a powerful will to form it, I'm assuming it also needs said will to keep it together, and if no one is there it'll kinda fall apart before just becoming part of the Sea of Screams again.

@flamingscar5263

9 ай бұрын

this probably is the case, looking at savathuns throne when she was MIA while in custody of mara sov her throne world was decomposing, we see her old throne world in ruin in the swamp area the area there is all the destroyed buildings, so it probably is the case that Xivus throne world will fall into similar ruin

@voltus20

9 ай бұрын

​@@Noblesix84as far as we know, throne worlds can decay to a certain degree, but they cannot fully undo themselves. Drifter has access to a vacant throne world where he pulls the taken he uses for Gambit, he has access, but not control or ownership over it, as it is vacant. Now we also know that smaller throne worlds, like the mindbender's, cannot be sustained without it's creator's will and end up collapsing upon themselves. This leads me to believe that a throne world can only remain by itself, uncontrolled, if it's large enough or has been controlled by a powerful enough being, while smaller throne worlds do not have the raw energy necessary to maintain themselves.

@mozeytown

9 ай бұрын

​@voltus20 if you're referencing Bright Side of a Bad Idea, it's pretty clearly _not_ a throne world being discussed: "He's secured a pocket of the Ascendant plane. Not a throne world, nothing that grand, but a big enough chunk to matter-and he's gone and caged an army." I believe this would have been part of the Nine's gift of the Haul (Malphur assumes Drifter set it up himself, but he's obviously seen the Haul and never mentions the Nine, so this may just be his own misguided conclusion). However, I'm not entirely certain on that point.

Eris spoke of cutting off a “field of open graves” that may mean many ascendant hive of Xivus brood also lost their thrones. Remember “failures chisel shapes as much as victories hammer” to quote Xivu herself I’d just like to say how much I love the voice of Xivu

@christophertidwell2422

9 ай бұрын

I think that was in reference to the fact that xivu can no longer gain power from war but thats just me

@hazeltree7738

9 ай бұрын

​@@christophertidwell2422Xivu is still the god of war, she just has no backup for when she dies

With Xivu Arath now banished from her own Throne World, no doubt losing a lot of her power, and the Witness currently in the Traveler, I could see Eramis try to take advantage of the situation and try to get what’s left of her house away from the Witness and Xivu Arath’s remaining forces. However, she’ll need help, and while she doesn’t trust the Guardians or Mithrax, she is desperate and might turn to Eido for help. This could potentially be a plot next season

@christophertidwell2422

9 ай бұрын

I hope not lol that would be nothing like erimis she is made to be jaded till the day she dies this is shown by here nearly killing all her people when she opened up the vex gate.

@voltus20

9 ай бұрын

We still have to deal with accessing the portal in the traveler, so that's 100% going to be the focus next season. I do see Eramis being more relevant *after* The Final Shape, maybe in the second episode, as it seems to be related to the scorn, and one of the big things she feared from the witness was how he was turning her old friends and allies into scorn. Maybe there could be some tie in there.

@orangesoda51414

9 ай бұрын

Xivu hasn't lost any power, she's just lost access to her immortality, which knowing her she'll find some way to force her way back into her throne world or a way to make a new one

@MrVidman14

8 ай бұрын

@@orangesoda51414 she’s powerful still yes but without her throne world, or access to it she can never unleash the same terrifying power she once had, like how invaded Torobatl

The banishment might make Xivu desperate. She might lash out, hoping to take as many down with her as she can. I think this situation made her even more dangerous.

@GO-sz1nv

9 ай бұрын

So glad you aren't writing for the story.

@renewalacumen1770

9 ай бұрын

​@@GO-sz1nvHe added some realism into it, its mutual assused destruction. If she's going to die, then she'll do so following her idealogies.

@drsaddomia

9 ай бұрын

@@GO-sz1nv I'd lose my mind.

@drewleer7854

9 ай бұрын

Dangerous but vulnerable

@drsaddomia

9 ай бұрын

@@drewleer7854 Right, she either dies to another ascendant Hive, her worm or us. Might as well cause the most death and destruction before her end.

Some possible outcomes of these events are that A) Xivu will beg Savathun to help rid her of her worm before it devours her. B) She will attempt to take Oryx's Dreadnaught and claim it as her new Throne World (the fact that the dreadnought is basically a throneworld twisted inside out to manifest in the material plane could help with this). C) She will go all out and try to take as many of us with her as possible.

@rollingtides1768

9 ай бұрын

Tbh id love to see her take oryx's throne either pre or post final shape especially since it's a material world throne world

@gilgameshlancer88

Ай бұрын

by doing that wouldn’t that resurrect oryx?

@xerraticdragonx4401

Ай бұрын

@@gilgameshlancer88 No, Oryx died in his own Throne World. It is impossible for him to revive via his Throne. The only possible ways he could come back is through the light or by hive necromancy. The problem with both methods is that necromancy is forbidden by hive law, and with the light the lucent hive did attempt to revive Oryx by giving him a ghost however this was stopped by the guardian in ghosts of the deep dungeon and afterwards Oryx’s body was taken by the vanguard to contained in to prevent the lucent hive from making another attempt.

Hypothetically, if Xivu had forces lying in wait in the throne world, would they now be trapped inside due to Eris's influence?

@voltus20

9 ай бұрын

It's possible. That could also open the possibility to whoever is left inside forming a new brood in her absence, and taking ownership of the throne world, if they are powerful enough, especially after her failure.

@orangesoda51414

9 ай бұрын

no cuz she only banished Xivu not other hive, they'd be able to go in and out freely

@casartherandom3010

9 ай бұрын

​@@orangesoda51414eh, but the way Throne Worlds work, we may see a new leader arrive in the throne world.

Something I haven’t seen much talk about is whether or not other Hive could try to ascend to godhood. What’s stopping Paul the Thrall from performing a ritual and becoming the hive God of Hallways. Bungie has an opening to create future powerful hive villains that can rise to power in their own domains

I literally screamed laughing when Eris explained what she did. Xivu is vulnerable now. We're gonna suplex her into the sun.

This. THIS is the biggest "Fuck you" we have done to Hive so far, and I LOVE it.

I think my problem with this season is it felt like it should have been a whole expansion with xivu being the raid boss

@patrickbo2045

9 ай бұрын

That's what I've been thinking as well.

@TheRealJohnux

9 ай бұрын

They probably needed to do something along the lines of trickery first because To fight Xivu head on is war on her terms and practically unwinable.

I feel like Mara is going to find the Black terrace and make it her own. She's already proven her ability to navigate the ascendant planes and spaces. Loved the vid. Good job bud.

This story this season was money.

@silveroseyoutube

9 ай бұрын

Cash money

@squadass99

9 ай бұрын

Gonna have a wonderful time with the post final shape stories w/ Xivu. Her dealing with this AND the witness possibly losing? goot shit incoming, that is for certain.

@haroldvazquez

9 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@L1qu1d-2qu1d

9 ай бұрын

She does like Callus

@reev3417

8 ай бұрын

I mean duh, it's a business.😐

I think Xivu's banishment may have her do something risk, maybe try to take over what was once Oryx's throne world as her own, after all Oryx's throne world was the dreadnought so she may try to take that and in one hell of a thing try to ram the earth and maybe the traveler with the dreadnought to take her enemy's with her and to hopefully be finally free to join her kin.

@throwitouttheairlock9556

9 ай бұрын

Seems a bit too “almighty” esque for them to do

@SpoopySkelemans

9 ай бұрын

​@@throwitouttheairlock9556You're right, but Xivu is desperate and it'd be the best temporary thing to spike her power and assault her enemies, Savathūn and us the Guardians. Anything will do, and that is what makes her especially dangerous at the moment

@quincyquincy4764

9 ай бұрын

​@dyuschtheprotonarrator4957 With no safety net, I expect her to go balls to the wall

@gargathulothhastur4981

9 ай бұрын

Seems likely considering Bungie is a company that do not want to overdeliver and are masters of reused assets.

@varlak9061

5 ай бұрын

​@@throwitouttheairlock9556while you are completely right it also just sounds bad as as fuck for her to do as she's piloting it not plotting of course and leaving

It’s important to note that Toland’s quote wasn’t referring to a Throne World vacancy. He was referring to a vacancy in the Hive power structure. When Oryx was killed in the Taken King campaign he was banished to his own Throne, trapped within until he could return to physical form. This is why Eris sent us to kill Alak-Hul, as he was a prime candidate to take up the reigns while Oryx was indisposed. Honestly this entire situation had better be explored in greater detail in the coming weeks, because it’s bad enough that the banishment was lacklustre. We have no idea whether Xivu’s connection to the Throne has been severed entirely, or if she simply cannot return to it. Even that fundamental distinction has wildly different knock on effects.

@MrVidman14

8 ай бұрын

Eris did say “now and FOREVER, you are banished” So I take that meaning that Xivu is permanently locked out of her Throne World

@seanmurphy7845

8 ай бұрын

@@MrVidman14 Not the point. Whether she’s just been banished or had her connection severed is the issue at hand. The connection being severed means her Throne World would have likely collapsed as Oryx’s did. Being banished ensures that Xivu is still maintaining the Throne despite not being able to return. Both have wildly different implications.

@MrVidman14

8 ай бұрын

@@seanmurphy7845 you really think Eris would not consider that when Banishing her, if she can still use her throne world that would mean that she can still have her forces invade the Sol system

@MrVidman14

8 ай бұрын

@@seanmurphy7845 also Eris tells us she Severed Xivus connection to her Throne World, meaning she is fully cut off

We havent seen Xivu in full render in-game right? Did I miss that? I know we've seen her in the drawn cutscenes, but not in game? Do we think thats next season?

@octagonPerfectionist

9 ай бұрын

my best guess is it'll be one of the post-final shape episodes

@ross6789

9 ай бұрын

I bet the hive themed episode will be some sort of Torobatl ‘campaign’ with Caiatls cabal against Xivus forces.

@sniclops15

9 ай бұрын

We'll most likely get our first good look at her either in The Final Shape as a cutscene or cinematic, followed by some real action in the Heresy episode

If one of the bosses doesn't proclaim: 'Boy!', in the dungeon or raid for the Black Terrace, we need to riot.

It’s a shame that the third season has always been my burnout phase, bc both Season of the Plunder and this season have been some of my favorite with content

@fishnutz5196

9 ай бұрын

Just take a break, im taking my break doing my weekly raid for red borders then playing other games until the next season. Always helps with my burnout and means i go into the next season fresh

@B1izzardHawk

9 ай бұрын

Yea, I also play ffxiv, so if I ever get burnt out on one, I have the other to goof around on.

@agripinaa8684

9 ай бұрын

@@fishnutz5196 oh no, I’m fully invested into AC6 and World of Tanks now, I come back for some basic weeklies and the plot

@fishnutz5196

9 ай бұрын

@@agripinaa8684 best way to do it this time of the year! Too many players dont take a break even when burntout and make things worse! Im loving Lies of P and AC6 atm

I dont know if such a thing would even be possible, but wouldn't it be wild and extremely ironic if Caiatl were to take the throne of Xivu's throne world? If Caiatl became the new "god of war". That would be bonkers.

@justcallmeness

9 ай бұрын

I don't think she can. The Cabal aren't paracausal.

@koldraxonofthefirstseven5718

9 ай бұрын

Hiraaks, the Mindbender, was just a random Fallen once until he fell into the Hellmouth and came back talking Hive. He also built a small Throneworld out of Cayde-6. Mara, relying on a Wish for a Throne, proves one alternative route; you can do other things to make a Throneworld, you don't just have killing or a specific action. Caiatl, with help from Eris, Osiris, and Toland, could move to claim the Throne of War, and turn it into the equivalent of Valhalla. Basically... Cabal Heaven. That's if everything goes to plan for this route.

@Crimson_Loki

9 ай бұрын

@koldraxonofthefirstseven5718 I don't know if this is the route they're going for, in fact I highly doubt it, but if this were to happen it would be hilarious, awesome and absolutely friggin wild.

If Xivu were to find her way back into her throne world, would she be able to reclaim it by default? Oryx had absolute control over his and was able to conjure his wipe mechanic despite our fireteam proving that we were the strongest in the throne world and not him

what a wonderful dorky joke right at the end 🌺 im excited to see what comes from the vacant lot. landlords are always tryna sweep in when its hot

All of this sounds so interesting. Its really making me hope they go for big with Heresy as I keep thinking the things that make the most sense with that title it is either an attempt to retake a Hive infested Torobatl or Xivu's Throneworld being overtaken and corrupted by someone (Fikrul, Kelgorath, etc.).

@ASpaceOstrich

9 ай бұрын

Xivu being overthrown by a former subordinate would be very interesting. The hive pyramid scheme has never been disrupted that badly before. Despite being essentially an entire civilisation of power hungry backstabbing nutters, the Hive have been surprisingly stable and loyal within their factions. If someone managed to take Xivu's position, that could spark a massive internal conflict as individual high power hive suddenly realise that being a new Hive god is practically possible.

My question is how permanent the banishment is. Obviously Xivu is not as cunning as Savathun or even Eris. So I don’t expect to her to out think this banishment. But If there is some way to regain access to her throne world, Xivu will kill everything and everyone in between her and it. I could be missing something, my knowledge on the awoken and Mara and her throne world is very limited, so it could have proven that once the connection is broken it is permanent, but if we don’t have certainty here, its more than a little possible someone will try.

@MrVidman14

9 ай бұрын

It’s possible, but I reckon Xivu would need to acquire enough tribute to be more powerful than Eris was

This sounds like Xivu will submit to Savathun and use the light. Savathun will then work towards getting Oryx revived by light. Likely already finding out that the hidden has his body.

@mose3775

9 ай бұрын

Even though it’s completely absurd, I feel like something very similar to this will happen. I mean, oryx called both necromancy and using the light heresy…

There's always another option for Xivu's forces ad be it a unlikely one....and that is to realize the sword logic has failed again and now been made mockery of and join Savathun in search of a different path forward seeing how Savathun as of right now is the only Queenpin of undying power left on the board and one with a path that leads to all hive not just the top gaining strength.

I like how you slipped the Dynasty art into this video. Really loved it.

I'd like to see how Kelgorath reacts to this power shift. Despite being taken maybe there's still a bit of his soul in there somewhere.

I hope that post final shape well have a season where we help Caitil retake torobatl and maybe a separate season where we explore and the claim Xivu arath’s throne world

@Notyourstodisclose

9 ай бұрын

I think that the Black Terrace would be suited as the setting for a Raid, but we might be repeating Taniks with Kelgorath serving as the final boss.

Thank goodness we have you for the story and lore. I CBA with reading lore pages. I’d rather watch a dope cutscene to illustrate the story, but I’ll gladly listen to you explaining everything

Bruh the gaurdians have been the greatest foe for the hive. We havent been around for nearly as long as them, andvwe have completely shattered their understanding of the world.

It would be really cool if ultimately the Black Terrace becomes the new Cabal Homeworld, shaped by Caital.

Your comment near the end of the video on Kratos being a contender to Zivu Arach’s position and throne world made me chuckle.😅

What if we the guardians and vanguard take the throne world and use it as a way to access the traveler. Xivu and witness already had direct contact. Obviously most likely not but man that would be cool

If the Witness had Rhulk as Savathun's babysitter, it would stand to reason he has another Disciple that chills out at the Black Terrace. One that wasn't beaten down and imprisoned in his own Pyramid or hastily resurrected. With her banished, he may take the quaint little fiefdom of hers and put it to more creative use.

@Barrett1

9 ай бұрын

Rhulk was there to train Savathun to become a disciple

@S3Cs4uN8

9 ай бұрын

@@Barrett1 Also to keep an eye on her because the Witness knew she could be a problem, Rhulk also only got the job because Savathun had been making a fool of him thanks to Rhulk's galaxy sized ego.

I think that while savathoun has her issues she ultimately wants to be our ally. She did try to take the traveler but not because she wanted to harm us but because she wanted to stop the witness and before that she helped us set the foundation for alliance with the cabal, fallen house of light, and the awoken

i dont know why but you have the perfekt story teller voice its sooo good

Im curious if Xivu will make a new throne world. She's still very powerful and a devout follower of the sword logic. She was banished from her throne world specifically, and not the ascendant space. Itd be interesting to see if Eris gets a throne world too for following the sword logic and becoming the strongest hive god for a moment. Also wondering if it would be possible for Xivu to try and reclaim her throne world, thatd make for an interesting dungeon/raid.

@cezel1030

9 ай бұрын

I like the thought, yet it begs the questions: is the throne world tied completely to the entire being of its creator and is it even at all possible for an ascendant Hive to possess two throne worlds. The throne worlds act as not only refuge for the being to regain power but also a space completely composed and subjugated by the Will of its creator. For instance, Savathun at all times and each point in her throne world is aware of what is being done by all things, thus her throne world is fully tied to her mind, ordinarily if it was only an aspect of her mind it would be plausible to think it too much of a demand on her psyche, but the thought of the throne world being an extension of her being: She is the throne world and the throne world is her (hence her awareness even in death), is a much more desirable viewpoint. The same can be said for Mara, Oryx and Crota as well as they all enacted their wills/logic upon their throne worlds. So with Xivu losing her TW, one could say that she was cut off from a significant portion of her power which could mean the next person who claims her throne world could claim that power as well. This thought presents a problem though: the original thought you presented about Xivu making a new one. Since Eris rejected the Sword logic entirely in the banishment, its likely the claim of the TW is no longer based in Sword Logic, but Vengeance which is owed to Eris morn. One thought that is in question for me is that if Eris’ Vengeance can be its stand alone logic since Sword Logic somewhat dictates that to earn more power one must die and kill to reach the next stage of power?

Could you do a breakdown of the relationship between Hive magic and the Darkness itself? I’m still a little confused as the relationship between the two. From what understand Hive magic is a framework that uses darkness and the darkness is just a paracausal force.

RELOAD YOUR TRACTOR CANON lol Great video. I don’t even really play Destiny anymore but I always keep up with your videos.

This is a great video. The ramifications of Eris’ gambit are multi-layered.

It might be far fetched, but I could see the Cabal trying to invade the throne world.

@Mattsen87

9 ай бұрын

Yeah I hope Caiatl moves into Xivu's house

I'd be intrigued to know what happened to any forces she had in her throne world at the time of banishment. Are they stuck? Are they warring to assume control? Could she make another?

Without a throne world the Hive will smell weakness and will descend into full blown civil war. Xivu may very well come out of this bloodbath stronger than ever.

@patrickbo2045

9 ай бұрын

Not if the lucent hive has a word to say in that. Savathun's also back.

@Radiant_Silverback

9 ай бұрын

Paul's a scrub, my money's on Dwight the Knight.

I couldn’t help but chuckle when you mentioned Kratos of all people. Take my like!

Let's face it... Kellgorath is gonna take over Xivu's throne world

@Notyourstodisclose

9 ай бұрын

And he will complete his Taniks arc by becoming the final boss of the raid taking place there.

Sounds like a vacant throne world is an opportunity for player housing. 😊

Loving that briar bind gameplay, at full power they shred nezquick

Something that immediately jumped out to me was when Ikora spoke to us over the radio in the HELM and she said something like “we can deal with Xivu later, for now we need to stop the Witness” which makes me think next season will just be about preparing to enter the portal, we’ll do Final Shape, and then it will be one of the episodes that follows (Heresy?) where we get back to dealing with Xivu. Which would kinda stink to delay such a big event for so long, but also it would be good to not defeat such a major character in the next season or just as a side-deal in Final Shape.

I think Toland's overdue for some new digs, and I'd love to see him take advantage of a vacancy in the ascendant real estate sphere

The chances of Torobatl being recoverable seem miniscule to me: the idea that Xivu Arath didn't turn it into a War Moon seems unlikely. So the Cabal are truly homeless right now. If the allied forces of the guardians, Cabal and Eliksni were able to seize control of it, surely it would be a fitting place for the Empire of War that is the Cabal to call a more permanent home? That being said, the only reason that seems even vaguely reasonable is because of Caiatl: she is the General-Empress who has shown that she can be diplomatic and level-headed with the right counsel. Caiatl would be one to allow those like Eris Morn and Mara Sov to attempt to cleanse the throne world before they moved in, otherwise they would all just become Xivu Arath's adopted brood, really.

I suspect that this will be the thing that finally shatters Xivu's belief in the Sword Logic, and that she will now be willing to do things that she previously would have considered heresy. Noticably, there's a large, very powerful hive asset in the Sol system that has been left unclaimed. The dreadnought. Xivu never took it before because she had not earned it. It wasn't hers to take. With an episode called Heresy planned for post Final Shape, I suspect Xivu will be the threat for that season. As for Xivu's throne. What's happening to it depends a lot on what exactly "being banished" entails. It could be that its still perfectly intact but impossible to enter. It could be that Xivu can't enter it, but her forces or other forces can and it's now a battleground for warring former subordinates who are taking their shot at the top position. It could be that being banished has the same effect that being dead does, and her throne is collapsing like the Mindbenders did. In that case, we have no idea how long it will take to collapse. Savathun's hasn't collapsed but she's also using the Wellspring to keep it intact. Mara's has begun to collapse and after only a short time it was almost indistinguishable from the environment that makes up the rest of the ascendant plane. Hive lore has also been a bit... inconsistent recently, mostly around Savathun having access to power she shouldn't. Everything we know from Forsaken era hive lore says that her Throne should probably be collapsing into the rest of the ascendant plane, but everything we know from Forsaken era hive lore also says that Savathun can't gain power from cunning, Savathun is no longer a hive god at all since she's gotten rid of her worm, and that Xivu should probably starve to death within a few weeks or months of such a large defeat, just like how Oryx was basically on his deathbed back in D1.

First a Rant: Xivu just pulled a Navota. Second: I like how Xivu went from Hating Savathun, to liking her for making Eris a hive god (Tempority) and probably hating her more after the finale. Third: Hey Byf, I had this question that's been in my head for a long time, IS it possible that we guardians can have our own Throne world, given all that we done and after what happened after this season's finale? or Can Erin have her own TW with all the Tithes she collected?

Kratos being there setting up shop is hilarious.

honestly if there's one thing this video has taught me. it's that the now vacant throne world, would make some epic player housing; literally transforming it to our will like a proper throne world *even more feasible since we've been becoming increasingly more masterful of hive magics

If it wasn't because of byf I wouldn't know this lore existed

I hope one of the future "episodes" takes us to Torobattle.

a amazing mission i just thought of, we help the cabal take control of Torobatl. We help the cabal defeat Hive there, idk just a thought but it seems like a cool idea.

13:32 Lol not the first time the Ghost of Sparta has taken office. 🤣

Really crazy stuff happened this season and I am excited to see where it goes. I am really hoping it comes out that Toland takes Xivu's throne world for himself and finally gets control of the hive.

God of War: Final Shape. What a legendary idea you just created. Kratos going through and taking down the Nine or whatever sick adventure those writers could fathom. love it

Now the question. If she can't access her throne world. How much of an army does she have left since she had her whole army waiting to come out from her throne world

Kelgorath and taniks are going to fuse using the power of scorn mutations and take up their ultimate position of kelgorniks the throne reaper.

I’m gonna be honest I was distracted by the reload speed of those weapons and remembering the horrors of reload speeds in D1 before mods that you could slap on whenever you wanted instead of a full armor piece

I kind of think Eris messed up just a bit. Sure, she banished Xivu from her throne world, but that might not necessarily mean Xivu can no longer traverse the Ascendant Plane, nor does it mean that she could not create another throne world. The new one might not have the same level of logistical support as her old one, but it would put her back on the immortality board once more. And all she would probably need is one Guardian having a bad day to do it, if the Mindbender is any indicator...

you should make a destiny lore iceberg explained there is already ones on destiny as a whole from other channels but a lore one would be cool

I wonder if our guardian can make a throne world now and that is perhaps how we survive against the witness? We were literally using hive magic, rituals and tithing via the sword logic this season and we now have a greater understanding of how it all works, so its actually possible we now have the knowledge to make one...we already have the power with all the gods we've slain over the years.

I have two things. Firstly, couldn’t Xivu just create another ascendant plane in a bargain to feed her worm? It’s stated in lore that the worm gods had a huge part in the throne worlds being built, so couldn’t Xivu have this happen? Secondly, I wonder if The Witness will have any part in aiding Xivu, possibly getting a throne world a eeing as she is his strongest general for him. Whatever it may be, I want there to be consequences, and Xivu come at us being stronger than ever. I personally hate how Bungie essentially is writing Xivu out without ever showing her in game without any sort of dialogue or character arc of some grand degree.

The thing that makes me most excited about her being lock out of her throne world is…. When she has her dlc it’ll be WAR MOONS

We need to talk about that insane Rift build.

How much do you wanna bet that when Eris ejected Xivu from her throne world, she tied US to it to keep it stable and make sure that no matter what, we would survive our fight with the witness.

i hope we still get to see Xivu's Throne World at some point even with this banishment stuff

I can't believe Byf made a God of War quip. Then again, that probably should've been expected, given the topic of this video...

Now that Xivu is banished from her throne world, is she still able to access the ascendant realm, and is it possible for her to create a new throne world?

I want fanart of Kratos just sitting on Xivu's throne now XD

@bigmanbub

9 ай бұрын

Just wait until bungie decides to reference the original god of war games by making a hive knight boss in Xivu’s throne world and his name would be Kratos, Protege Of War. (Successor to the hive god of war in Destiny continuity)

I love the fact that xivu has to be tactical now after losing her throne world

kind of curious of the folktales for lack of a better term will reflect and retell eris' act as a god and her return to mortality in the future of the hive and their culture

Black Terrace: "for rent" Kelgorath: *rubs hands* "My time is now"

How awesome would it be that if next season we went to Torobatl and got it back for the Cabal.

Would it be possible for Eramis to occupy Xivu’s throne world? She’s always on the hunt for more power it seems.

I hope we get a reaction from Caital regarding the events that unfolded

I wonder, we know very little about banishment from a Throne World. Could Xivu build up a new one or retake the old? If that could be the case this might not be as easy as we believe. On the other hand, the banishment could actually be a complete lockout from a space that can only be clamed once. We would have to find out. Probably in the episode Heresy after The Final Shape

It sucks that we will never see the black terrace now. It sounds very grand in all the lore cards

Byf has a very good sense of humor when he mentioned the other god of war 🤣

Mara is looking at Xivus throne world like “it's free real estate”

An empty, potentially customisable space that can allow travel to new far off locations and can bring key NPCs to be claimed by the strongest. Sounds like player housing that can enable new stories in episodes after the Guardian kills the witness.

Possible xivu throan world dungeon? Sounds pretty cool

What if the throne world is the path to the witness, and Savathun's 'Heirloom' is the means of access?

The ending cutscene could've been better but this season was great

The witness will offer her the power of a disciple. Considering it an offer while she's literally most vulnerable. She will take the darkness for the sword to strike us and her sister down.

Toland's going to take it over. We haven't heard from him in a while

hello good morning Byf

I do wonder just how much damage to Xivu's court we really did. Not only has she been evicted from her throne world, but the one hive most likely to be in a position to take over it, the leviathan eater, is dead at our hands too. Also, I really enjoyed the fight against him. And as drifter always suggests, I brought a sword, specifically the lament. Turns out I had the stronger sword. One thing I think would be interesting is to have us navigate our way into Xivu's throne world via the ley lines. I imagine there'd be a lot to learn about the witness aligned hive in there.

@caldarilogi

9 ай бұрын

i enjoyed the fight as well. i also like how eris had a plan every time immaru said to run. which i assume might have been on purpose to try and kill us

9:35 those swords are like arc staff combo. light. light. heavy. that wizerd would be dead 80% of the time, with plenty fo sword ammo to spare to kill another one, or 2.

I'm curious if Oryx's remains are going to become important again anytime soon.

]]]Xi Ro never had any ambition of her own. She will look to her fallen subjugators for inspiration. The worms: Eir, Ur, Yul. The Upended. The Veil. She will take all that she can from what remains. It takes no imagination to see where she may go next. But the question remains: will you have the resources to stop her on all fronts, or will you see yourself stretched too thin?[[[

I'm hoping at least a little bit that caiatl takes over the throne world maybe with her new power she changes it to be like a pvp hotspot with shaxx and saladin