I think another major problem with all this monetization is that the original D2 story along with 2 DLC's that we payed for were removed too. That's another gut punch.

@joebk44

Жыл бұрын

Seriously? I haven’t really played d2 since the original game came out. That’s fucked up. Tbh I stopped playing destiny when I realized that initial game they launched was basically an expansion. For $60. Glad I jumped ship because I guess it’s just gone downhill. I even remember bungie blaming micro transactions on Activision. Man I miss Destiny 1.

@betasector

Жыл бұрын

Nothing of value was lost.

@dakineprotoss

Жыл бұрын

@@joebk44 i quit the same exact time, for the same exact reason. I played Destiny 2 from launch every night with my roommate for a month or so, but then its just running down the same chorelist every week and its not fun. Then they released an expansion for $40 and I realized they are drip feeding the game for expansions every 3 months and thats not a model I want to play. Also, its a boring game after you get to the point where its just doing yhour weekly ingram checklist blah.

@cameronmason4452

Жыл бұрын

@@dakineprotoss Games as a service do always reach this point: Wow dailies, Apex weeklies, etc

@aaronfox5747

Жыл бұрын

I payed for d1 three times because of their bs. Along with a PlayStation store issue. After foresaken. I took a break, and when I came back have been completely lost, and have no clue where to start.

The actual price to experience all of the Destiny 2 content as a brand new player is astronomical. They really need to bundle things in some reasonable way to catch up

@brmawe

Жыл бұрын

Patty! And yeah for a new light they just wouldn't know where to start

@sp00kdagul

Жыл бұрын

Patty is here too! Well said. Paying full price (when theyre not on sale) for dlcs more than a year ago is ridicolous, its so hard to convince new lights to buy a dlc if theres one really good weapon specific to that dlc, looking at you divinity and shadowkeep

@fredxu99

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention that the older DLCs that they're still selling at FULL PRICE have 95% of their content stripped out and deleted..

@wasdincasey

Жыл бұрын

Game can go on sale and dlc but never dungeon keys. You can only buy the keys with silver or a deluxe edition.

@daviddeusinger5184

Жыл бұрын

I’ve had at least 4 friends try destiny 2 in the last year and all of them quit within 48 hours. I think after around the 4th time I said “Yea but you have to do this, this and this before you can do that” they just lost interest. Really sucks to be in this state

These games are becoming more and more like "Go to work, do your job list of meaningless tasks to occupy your mind and time, then pay your boss for the privilege of doing said tasks"

@CeraphineLuna

3 ай бұрын

Fr

@chillpengeru

2 ай бұрын

True, however I will say Destiny's core gameplay is great. Too bad everything else sucks. Never got into it because of the awful story, monetization, etc etc

Line was drawn 2 years ago. 2000-3000 hours in the game. When the content got removed that I already payed for, plus nothing new in pvp. Is became a job and not at all fun anymore. Uninstalled, never went back to it. And seeing that nothing has changed, no plans to go back.

@coltonwilkie241

3 ай бұрын

Barely anyone brings up the content vault. It's the worst case of anti-consumerism I've ever seen. It's bad when Fortnite does it with free content and it's about 1000x as bad when Destiny does it for PAID content.

@adenlaible7066

2 ай бұрын

I stopped a week after Lightfall because the bullshit from Bungie at this rate already buried you so deep you couldn't even see the sky. I was a diehard lover to Destiny and was a childhood gem, it broke my heart in so many ways once Bungie went down this road.

@ViktorSilver-qj5wp

Ай бұрын

Same

@joemamma953

26 күн бұрын

the moment this happened in season of the deep i left

I think the reason this video is popping off so much is because people see a lot of similarities with other live services. People are just fed up with getting an unfinished game with a battle pass at launch. Nothing is ever gonna last forever.

@alexdolezalu9066

Жыл бұрын

Sad but true. And let's not forget PAID Early Access games that get microtransactions implemented before the rest of the game is finished. an ARPG on steam comes to mind that i forgot the name of.

@compostsmurf5519

Жыл бұрын

​@alexdolezalu9066 have u noticed that the stores for these early access unfinished games generally work flawlessly but nothing else does 😂

@Jabinc

Жыл бұрын

I think its because Destiny is the leader in live service games, so almost every other gaming company is looking at what destiny does and taking notes so to speak. So anyone paying attention is looking at what bungie is doing even if they don't play the game.

@thefreeman5653

Жыл бұрын

@@Jabinc Nah, Fortnite is the leading live service game and the one that started the Battle Pass Madness, Collabs and Skin Packs

@dylr7883

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Sadly, Destiny 2 is one of the earliest adopters of this model, and it's really been emblematic of the disappointment of the last ten years in gaming itself. Destiny has actually managed to put out good content every other year, but it's undeniable the monetization model (and poor initial releases) truly is the black mark on Destiny 2 and this era of gaming in general.

Asmon reacting to Aztecross is something I NEVER knew would happen. That’s crazy.

@superfinalsmash6821

Жыл бұрын

why? aztecross literally sponsored by asmons cock pc company starforge

@leandromadeireira8840

Жыл бұрын

Being honest, this video was like a perfect bait for him to react.

@Arctis326

Жыл бұрын

Rage baiting is the best way to get views

@Tom-bi4ci

Жыл бұрын

Slap that like button like yo momma taught ya right

@DMR_MAK

Жыл бұрын

We just need both of em on a Theo Von Podcast

The problem is that over time, instead of creating items just for micro transactions, bungie has been pulling cosmetic items that are typically in the paid version of the game and then locking it behind a pay wall. They adopted all the worst traits from Activision when they left.

@milkycannon444

7 ай бұрын

they could keep the scummy shit they do as long as we got a forsaken every year. But we only got that because of acti and the additional support from vicarious and the other dev teams. We got more quality content and the monetization was less than it isnow. Never thought id actually miss activision being involved but this is a prime example of the grass isnt always greener.

@FingerBreakerWu

7 ай бұрын

Not even remotely true.

@xSoulhunterDKx

6 ай бұрын

Jokes on you, bungie did that before activision 😂😂😂 Activision never had the rights to decide such actions in the first place with destiny as a whole. Bungie was in control of everything basically. Stop excusing this bullshit

@knightofnightside

5 ай бұрын

@@xSoulhunterDKx activision did have the rights to demand a return in investment though and all bungie was able to come up with is the "eververse" because "making content is hard" and another forsaken was never going to happen again

@xSoulhunterDKx

5 ай бұрын

@@knightofnightside Activision wasn’t in control of dlcs and prices directly and what is being monetized. Bungie did that.

The thing with cosmetics being behind a paywall in destiny 2 is that the cosmetics were typically one of the big things people loved to grind for and tended to be locked behind challenging content, so the move to having the majority of them being in the eververse shop is extremely disappointing and lowers the amount of things in game to grind for. The year of triumph or whatever update in destiny 1 added some of the best armor ornaments in the game and they were earnable by beating the 4 raids.

@trey_dizzle4161

5 ай бұрын

thats why i miss Destiny 1. Destiny 2 was a big let down for me as a HUGE destiny fan

I miss the days where seeing a player with a unique skin made you go "wow, what super difficult challenge did they pull off to unlock that?" instead of "wow, they must have a ton of money to burn to buy that".

@Ioganstone

11 ай бұрын

I remember making rune chainmail and being satisfied with that, knowing each little ingredient and level that went into rune plate. And when you made the chainmail, it was like no we're going back to weapons or another metal type, you don't just leap one armor to the next. Now we're out of the realm of cosmetics though..

@gerardorodriguez3430

11 ай бұрын

This is exactly why I quit destiny I remember when I would hours or days grinding for exotics, armor and cosmetics only to see that they could just be purchased with zero effort later there is actually no point in even playing anymore

@Daniel-wz3yv

11 ай бұрын

When getting a title meant something... game died for me the moment it went f2p.

@lebigmac1426

11 ай бұрын

Like in souls games with the white spirits of other players

@sclapple3192

11 ай бұрын

@@Daniel-wz3yv Yeah they fucked up super bad setting light levels to 1000 off rip and locking old content behind dlc's. The light level thing literally made me quit on the spot. I was level 600 or something i think after playing for a good while about 3 years ago and came back to the game a year later. All my characters were lvl 1000, but the actual gear I had was garbage to continue playing the game. Reset my characters to "try again" and that shit didn't last more than a week

Crazy to realize that Activision wasn't actually the problem.

@KT-83

11 ай бұрын

Remember how happy we where when they split? O man how wrong we where, they are even scummier!

@itsyouuu3152

11 ай бұрын

well they where the problem and then after they left bungie drop a banger like forsaken and then they slowly became what activision was

@elseggs6504

11 ай бұрын

​@@itsyouuu3152 Nope, you can thank Activision for that Banger too. Their studios also did the seasons and Opulence is universally loved. The first thing Bungie did on their own was Shadowkeep, so the first genuinely good expansion they made (by themselves) is Witchqueen and everything else varying degrees of mediocrity

@itsyouuu3152

11 ай бұрын

@@elseggs6504 dang

@syllawblood

11 ай бұрын

I mean. Bungie is doing a lot of Activision stuff now. They definitely learned from them. I hope it all works out. Because they have so much control now. They're not enslaved to whoever bought them. They are profitable

I tried to get into Destiny 2 a year or so ago. After I beat the tutorial "campaign" (really just a few missions that don't give you any info on anything going on at all) pretty much all there was to do without paying was repetitive grinding activities. The gunplay was decent, but got boring pretty quickly without a reason to keep playing. Apparently there used to be another free campaign but it was deleted from the game. There wasn't even a story to latch onto to get me into the game, I was told I was a guardian but to this day I still don't know what I was supposed to be guarding.

@Ocelcinion

7 ай бұрын

Hold the fuck on. Are you telling me there's no main campaign anymore?? I played for a few hours some years back, I don't even remember when, but I at least had a story mode to slog through.

@avaliantsoul5408

7 ай бұрын

The base game's campaign, the Red War, was "vaulted" when Beyond light (Y5, I think) was released. because the size of the game was "too much to manage".@@Ocelcinion

@fel524

6 ай бұрын

​@@Ocelcinionyeah it got content vaulted, it's not in the game anymore because "game too big guys". Reminder people payed €60 for that trash at launch

@thecrypticstench

4 ай бұрын

@@fel524not only that, I payed for both subsequent expansions (which were trash as well lmao) that also got vaulted, then bungie turned and sold all that shit again. This franchise is dead to me.

@treeleaves1995

4 ай бұрын

@@avaliantsoul5408 thats because they changed engines tf you mean... like bro please talk shit when you know the shit youre talking about. they are just too lazy to remake year 1-4 of destiny

This is by far the most confusing game I have ever played because of all the expansions, staying on main quests and upgrades. I totally understood when he said "what do I buy???" because I felt the same way.

@GhostlyShadow

4 ай бұрын

I wanted to play the game, but when i noticed the expansions were going to be expensive themselves, i never got into it, cuz i saw i couldnt afford it then, and i cant afford it now, fuck gaming, i miss the days where it was fun and you didnt have to worry about how much money you had to have to play a game

@Nicolo-ue9xu

17 күн бұрын

​@@GhostlyShadowyou can take the older DLC for 12 euro and the eclipse DLC for like 20 euro at least one week ago

Its actually slightly worse than it seems. Due to 'sunsetting' theres a LOT of content that I have paid for that is no longer even in the game. I mean multiple expansions worth of content. So not only do they milk the playerbase, the content that was already in the game they took away to force players to buy new content. I miss the mini Argos raid :/

@ipsom1968

Жыл бұрын

This shit is exactly what made me quit Destiny 2.

@ekscalybur

Жыл бұрын

Oh, that thing you bought 3 years ago? You're not allowed to play it again. Why in the hell would any customer see that and not immediately rage is beyond me. We live amongst absolute idiots, and you should hate them.

@305backup

Жыл бұрын

​@@ekscalyburOh i do. People actually act like they did us a favor by removing shit we paid for then doubling the price of everthing going forward

@zideane1

Жыл бұрын

@ekscalybur5247 it's why i stopped playing and why I probbably won't play marathon. The whole gaming industry is a shit show

@polski8bit

Жыл бұрын

I caught up quick with what was going to happen with the game. As soon as I got 2 absolutely shit DLCs in the deluxe edition (which I didn't even pay for, a friend got me the game to play together, and I still want "my" money back) and they announced more, I was out. It was even more ridiculous to see people saying how they "fixed" the game with Forsaken - like I'm going to spend ADDITIONAL $40 just play a game like it was supposed to be at launch. Nah man, I ain't sinking money into a game just to make it "good". Give me a good base experience and I'll consider dropping more for GOOD content. Unfortunately Bungie isn't doing the former and is inconsistent with the latter.

As someone who was a day 1 destiny 1 and 2 player I was so sad leaving destiny for good. It’s like a friend into gambling/drugs always asking for money.

@Jacobb..

Жыл бұрын

D1 was peak miss those days

@5HITBOX

Жыл бұрын

@@Jacobb.. I remember wanting micro transaction cosmetics 😂 so excited for D1 taken gear. That was the beginning of the end.

@kaiseale10

Жыл бұрын

fuck it im not. I still play destiny 1 every now and then, far more than I've ever played destiny 2, i immediately abandoned destiny 2 once the bullshit that curse of Osiris was, came out, i went back to it once forsaken came out, hoping that the game would FINALLY get completely new content, which it did for a short while but i lost interest again within the first couple years and even then later with the following dlcs, destiny 2 never made any kind of impact on me or drew my interest into the game consistently enough for the last 3-5 years now. I go back to the game solely when im bored out of my fucking mind (which is very rare for me since there are so many better single player and multiplayer out games anyway), but other than that i could care less for destiny 2. Players and content creators alike should've seen the writing on the fucking wall once the whole "free to play" aspect started with destiny 2, and now its finally making people realize how bone fucking dry destiny 2s pool of content actually is without microtransactions or purchased dlc content. Bungie has shit on the OG destiny community and the games eco system for the last several years now and i think its a good thing more people are dropping this sorry ass excuse of a continuation of destiny 1.🤷‍♂

@mikabakker1

Жыл бұрын

I also stopped playing a couple seasons ago. I also started D1 day 1. I even convinced my friends to play it too after a few weeks, we all had a different class as our mains so it felt like we were like a standard fireteam . Fast forward a lot of years and we were all tired f what Destiny had become. The slow weekly story advancements, battlepasses, increase in price for cosmetics. the overal story (like how many times are we gonna beat some god only for it to be topped by another god) It's a shame what Destiny has become and that we decided we didn't had fun anymore we played for so long and cared about so much lore and stuff but now we don't care anymore

@andrew-rn9ui

11 ай бұрын

​@@ChickenJoe-tq6xddefinitely halo 3 custom games for me, halo ran so destiny could walk , Halo custom games and matchmaking in halo 3 was peak console gaming online wise , halo 3 , gears 1-3 , mw 2 , black ops 2 , Destiny was kind of a let down tbh, good game but not at all what bungie promised everyone

Its sad and disgusting at the same time that Bungie became what they tried so hard to get away from (ie Microsoft and Activison). I admired these people for all the work they put into their Halo games...How the mighty fall.

@themythicx8735

6 ай бұрын

Activision poisoned them

@alexsynthesis

3 ай бұрын

I remember celebrating when they left activision. I think I prefer them being part of activision 😭

8:49 what an amazing use for the emotes lol. 47:26 exactly, sometimes I open a game and it looks like I'm seeing a store's website. It's terrible, I miss the old days where I would just play and get excited to be unlocking things from my hard work. Not by unlocking things with the money I earn from a actual work.

@baronsengir187

6 ай бұрын

Then buy games that do that. Plenty of them.

Speaking as a former player: Most people that are still making excuses because they have already sunk so much money into this game, that they can't face what they've done

@wilhelm2112ryan

Жыл бұрын

No matter the game I go by dollar per hour. I've played for almost 4k hours and have spent nowhere near that so I'm gucci

@timothymoore2966

Жыл бұрын

They addicts but won’t admit

@matthewcaimbeul8722

Жыл бұрын

@@wilhelm2112ryan Delete your characters and you’ll realize how little you actually care. 15k in the game gone.

@wilhelm2112ryan

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewcaimbeul8722 I'm not sure I follow. If I delete a character I still have played destiny for the same amount of time. I wouldn't delete characters as I have played on them for years at this point ( minus my hunter ). I'd delete any of my diablo 4 characters and not give a shit at all

@-The-Golden-God-

Жыл бұрын

It's called the sunk cost fallacy.

Wow never expected to see asmon react to aztecross, a pleasant surprise for sure

@skyj451

Жыл бұрын

Why ? Are you a fanboy ?

@TheOneAndOnlyLUUUU

Жыл бұрын

@@skyj451 Because the Destiny content creator community is kind of insular. Not many of them are that well know outside of the destiny playerbase or generally even do anything aside from destiny content. So someone like Asmongold reacting to Destiny content is not something you see every day.

@SudsyFistPiston

Жыл бұрын

@@skyj451I’m a fan of them both ❤

@bdiax

Жыл бұрын

@@skyj451says the fanboy 😂

I remember trying to play free thinking I could do the basic release campaign. Found out they removed it to save space for the paid stuff. I bought Witch Queen for 10 bucks, started it up and had no clue who anyone was, or what any of the terms and locations were. So I just uninstalled it.

"seasonal events are not included in the seasonal pass" "each shoe sold separate" (?)

I am glad this video exists. As a huge destiny fan the game has been a major letdown for the amount of money they have been charging. Hope videos like this raise awareness for consumers

@LuanS012

Жыл бұрын

​@@zogwort1522space cowboy goes pew pew

@AngelLee162540

Жыл бұрын

@@zogwort1522Most people don’t use the armors as a set, you could make some interesting looks if you mix & match with other armors and shaders.

@micah9988

Жыл бұрын

@@zogwort1522lol… what is a visually appealing game to you then? Anime girls with huge tits? 😭😭

@impoopnrightnow906

Жыл бұрын

Too bad the message is "oh well, sucks for D2 players, let's gooooo Marathon!". Like they won't do the *exact* same thing to that game. F Bungie, and I don't even play Destiny. I don't want to see this bs infect anymore games than it already has. It's a losing battle though.

@Battlefiel97

11 ай бұрын

@@zogwort1522 Then you must have seen people with ass Transmog

I remember listening to my friend talk for 2 hours about why grinding 80 hours a week on Destiny 2 is worth it

@baronsengir187

6 ай бұрын

Holy shit. Full on addictive behavior. Hope they do ok.

@dunkawunka2278

5 ай бұрын

Bro 80 hours a week is 14 hours a day wtf 💀

@nolimitjason5546

2 ай бұрын

​@dunkawunka2278 do you realize who we are watching. Among has negative vitamin D

@derrickkinney5399

2 ай бұрын

So basically a fortnite player

And this the problem with modern AAA game monetization. They say the insane prices are to support the game, but there is absolutely no way to determine how much content you are getting for that money at the moment of paying. "This skin has to be 20 euro, we want to support the game in the future" is a sales tactics, not actual reality

@Yodah97

Ай бұрын

It drives me nuts how expensive stuff is in some games. I booted up SWOTOR and a single weapon skin costs $20. Why would I spend that on a single skin? If I could spend that and buy 10+ shiny new toys I'd be much more willing to open my wallet. It's all just digital goods, why wouldn't you emphasize volume? I mean a whole expension in GW2 costs $30. Hell, 1 month of premium in SWTOR is $15. But $20 for a single skin that came out years ago? Yikes. Say what you want about crappy mobile games. But I've caved and paid for more than one cheap game because they offered piles of useful stuff for just $1 or $2 as a first purchase deal. Warframe gets me too with their 50% and 90% plat discounts on PC. I can spend $15 there and go absolutely ham on their online store, it's great.

Cross has just hit the big time. This will undoubtedly be his biggest video to date.

@TryHardGary

Жыл бұрын

A half baked truth and lies video will be his biggest video. Yep slimest Destiny KZreadr. What a great video to remove context and act like certain things actually affect the average Destiny player. "Pay 2 Win" lmao what a shit ass section.

@Arctis326

Жыл бұрын

Rage bait is the way

@immoralboi3158

Жыл бұрын

@@Arctis326 So being honest about a game is rage baiting now?

@mattcubed9658

Жыл бұрын

@@immoralboi3158 People will always defend garbage if they're invested enough

Dungeon Keys are where I completely drew the line, I wasn't a serious Destiny player by any means before they added them but when I learned of the dungeon keys I decided I would never return

@michael-pg8fi

Жыл бұрын

that's strictly in place so they can get you to spend $80 (or a extra 40) on the deluxe version. This game has the scummiest business model.

@JGburneraccount

Жыл бұрын

Dungeons have always been paid, Bungie gave us a free dungeon once as a gift and then went back to making them a paywall.

@michael-pg8fi

Жыл бұрын

​@@JGburneraccountwell dungeons were included in the expansion you bought now they are separate lol

@icantsleepman

Жыл бұрын

​@michael-pg8fi And that was just for witch queen. They upped the price this year despite the whole package being worse in quality.

@sirnonsense5033

Жыл бұрын

Well u just have to add these things slowly and steady then they don’t mind some dropping out cuz most already paid for the game. Same will happen with Diablo 4 cuz it’s also an activities live of service.

"You're not gonna convince me that 3 skins should cost 60$" (Side-eyes OW2) Hard agree with that.

@kempolar9768

15 күн бұрын

**Valorant** peering around the corner.

I remember I bought a package for Elder Scrols Online where it was explained to me that it came with all the DLC but when I got in game it came with the expansions but not the DLC which are different. I got a refund after asking if there was a way for me to buy it all in 1 purchase and the support told me no. They literally lost me as a customer because buying all that content would force me to buy 2 bundles that share half of their content or buy each DLC by itself which is stupid af.

I’ve been in the destiny franchise since Destiny 1 Beta, and it’s so sad how horribly worse the monetization has gotten.

@ThaRajaTrilogy

Жыл бұрын

I’m surprise he didn’t mention the xp throttle incident they pulled destiny made a lot of greedy grimmey moves over the years I loved the game so much I would take the abuse but finally I said enough and had to retire my guardians

@fluidintelligence1

Жыл бұрын

I was too, then I stopped playing when they forced you to buy new DLC packs to actually play anything…

@nimmer4749

Жыл бұрын

It's funny to think back to all of the hope everyone had when Bungie split from Activision. Only to realize Bungie was the real villain all along.

@rezzy3964

Жыл бұрын

​@@nimmer4749 destiny could be so much more, probably the opus magnum of bungie, corrupted by activision and lobotomised by bungie itself. I'm still gonna play marathon, since nobody does scifi games like bungie, not even close, tried to find several times, but the excitement that early destiny days gave me is all but dead

@IPromiseTomorrow

Жыл бұрын

how do you survive in there?

I always find it funny when ppl call the slippery slope a falacy. See corporations call it a business strategy.

@aznhomig

6 ай бұрын

People who claim that slippery slopes aren't real are trying to gaslight you as they push you down the proverbial slippery slope.

@altonb.1396

6 ай бұрын

​@@aznhomigPrecisely. I heard once that the slippery slope argument is only a fallacy if you have no evidence of prior behavior. If u do, then its an obvious pattern.

@smitty215able

3 ай бұрын

The "slippery slope fallacy" doesn't mean slippery slopes don't exist. It's a fallacy when you claim a slippery slope exists without sufficient reason to believe it. Slippery slopes absolutely exist, nazi Germany was an example of a slippery slope

In terms of getting cosmetics from the actual game. This is how it works. 95% of all customization items come from the eververse store, but lots of Raid and Dungeon armor still looks fucking sick. HOWEVER, the transmog system sucks. If you want to be able to use an armor piece you have as an ornament, you have to spend 1 Armor strap token. You get these from doing a bounty. So it cost 5 tokens/bounties to transform 1 armor set in a cosmetic one you can equip over your gear. But here is the kicker, you can only do 10 bounties per season, and after that you'd have to pay for synthweave straps in the eververse store. Also, exotic weapon skins do not drop in the game, eververse or pre-order dlc is the only way you can get new skins for exotc weapons and armor

The day it went free to play is the day I stopped playing as they locked behind a second paywall that I had already paid for, active missions and raids that 24 hours before I could play I suddenly needed to pay for again, I was 'F this SH*T I'm out."

Aztecross is to Destiny as Asmon is to WoW. Really amazing to see them kinda cross paths.

@WanBelltrum

Жыл бұрын

@@Fadaar Ion know about that

@JetskiChucK

11 ай бұрын

Nobody ever mentions Clyde he is the goat

@topical6574

11 ай бұрын

Sometimes heroes brush shoulders.

@smithereenss5840

11 ай бұрын

​@@JetskiChucKhe ain't got no neck

@spartancaptain

11 ай бұрын

@@JetskiChucKdoesn’t he kill kittens or something? He shit talks everyone even though he’s been riding sweat’s coattails since they met

It's cool to see someone as big as Asmon reacting to Aztecross' video, especially with how dire the issue being addressed is.

@he8535

Жыл бұрын

Buys "Club pass" but "Club house" is $20 more

@acesonflush346

Жыл бұрын

I agree, but sadly I know this won't change shit. Too many gaming companies care about money more than creating good games.

@hazeytom9133

Жыл бұрын

"how dire the issue is" brother its not dire its just annoying life is far to complicated and difficult for a video game monetization to be a dire situation for you

@ChazzyPhizzle1

Жыл бұрын

Dude if you play 750-1000 hours in a year it’s $0.10-$0.13 a HOUR for entertainment. If you waste money on cosmetics that’s your problem. I haven’t spent a dime on this game outside of DLC and have soooo many cosmetics and enjoy the game just fine. This is not a dire situation. The dire situation is people deciding to spend $10 for a damn skin.

@mattux9705

Жыл бұрын

​@@ChazzyPhizzle1 new people have 0 hours in the game and have to spend 400 fucking dollars to play the full game. And then they play the new light campaign and nope the fuck out. -400$

The beginning transitioning mixed with twitch chats reaction was perfect…

The obvious moral of this story is don't be poor.

Aztecrosses level of production in his videos is insane especially with the amount of content he pumps out im glad to see him get the recognition he deserves!

@Bazzabazeman

Жыл бұрын

Even before Asmongold's attention to this, his video almost hit 1m views while his normal videos get around a 100k. He made a masterpiece.

@oxsila

Жыл бұрын

@@Bazzabazeman Negativity sells

@ipoml3804

Жыл бұрын

@@oxsilano he talked about some negative topics before and it didn’t hit like this video…

@starlightrains

Жыл бұрын

@@oxsilayes but negativity towards big corporations is always fun and cool, so this time it’s very justified.

@wilhelm2112ryan

Жыл бұрын

​@@Bazzabazemanhe made negativity....that ALWAYS gets clicks

I remember how back in D1 people were saying 'silver is only in the game because of greedy Activision'

That’s one thing I love about Warframe, you can do literally everything without paying a dime and if you want the currency, you can trade items to other players for it.

Tried Destiny 2 about 6 months ago, ran around for 30 minutes with no idea where to go, what to do or which DLC package I had to buy and pay. Uninstalled within the hour of started.

One thing i would like to point out: some people have seen this happening ahead of time. Those people were raising the point Cross has put here, also ahead of time. Some have even been blacklisted by Bungie themselves for going public with their predictions, and a lot of players were mocking them, and pronouncing them haters. Ever since Cross has posted this video, BDF (Bungie Defense Force, a.k.a. most loyal players who tend to excuse every single Bungie decision, no matter how shitty, scummy and toxic it can be) has been weirdly silent.

@WozLee

Жыл бұрын

Most of the Destiny 2 content creators are gladhanding cowards, all pretending to be friends in order to climb the greasy pole. They would glady shank Aztecross in the back if they thought it meant they could take his place in the community and get further in with Bungie, problem is we all love Cross, so they stay quiet as they rightfully should. If Cross was less popular, they'd have been doing what they did to SayNoToRage, which... people talk about cancelling and stuff, what they did to him was obscene.

@zachrohler1047

Жыл бұрын

​@@WozLeedatto giving bungie sloppy every time they add some new shit to buy

@rusty4265

Жыл бұрын

@@WozLee Yea Lono got the short end of the stick. He gave off kinda sorta creepy vibes with a few girls in the community, one who happens to be married to a Bungie VP, and they banned him from the community and game. I was thinking he had at least harassed or abused someone, but no! Such a pathetic circle of people.

@SpikeRazzor

Жыл бұрын

​@@zachrohler1047Why I said some of these guys are getting flown out in secret, like IG models and shown shit WAY ahead of time (like the dude who was dropping spoilers and got too comfortable recently).

@FadedMaple07

Жыл бұрын

@@zachrohler1047 I don't really like the guy but that statement is just false. Datto literally have been complaining about how scummy destiny's microtransactions since 7 years ago.

I quit this game four years ago when I felt the microtransactions were getting out of control. Little did I know how good I had it back then.

A wise person once said: I used to go to the store to find a game. Now I go to a game to find a store.

@0Rosanna

Жыл бұрын

56:49

Modern day Bungie:"Halo? Never heard of it. Who are you?"

Destinys whole problem is that you cant play the season content without buying the battlepass. It is a battlepass system that undermines the whole point of a battlepass system which is to downplay the importance of microtransactions. If you make it all a choice, players are more willing to make that choice. In fact, Destiny's monetization system actively makes people not want to spend money

The worst part of destiny 2 was that they removed the campaign you actually bought.

@starlightrains

Жыл бұрын

And the raid you actually bought. And another raid you actually bought. And another raid you actually bought. And another raid you actually bought. And another raid you actually bought. Literally. 5 raids have been removed (leviathan, eater of worlds, spire of stars, scourge of the past, and crown of sorrow.)

@MusMasi

Жыл бұрын

they removed content that people paid for and the frogs stayed in the pot, well most of them.

@WozLee

Жыл бұрын

@@MusMasi Because most of the "frogs" had already done that content to death. Removing an old raid like Scourge of the Past sucks, it makes the game less of a value proposition for new players, and creates massive contextual holes that get plugged in the laziest ways imaginable. Back in the day if you wanted the Whisper of the Worm sniper rifle you went on this awesome mission to find a hidden portal that only spawns in certain circumstances, then you have a timed jumping puzzle to complete that finished in a massive boss fight, which not only gave you the gun, but also unlocked the master mode of that mission which you could farm for the catalyst and achievements to get the best looking ship in the game. Now, because they removed the planet that mission was on, and the mission itself, if you want to get the Whisper of the Worm sniper rifle? You go out and do the most monotonous content you could image, save up resources which as a new player you need for literally everything, and in huge quantities... and you buy it from a vendor. Almost every exotic weapon in that kiosk used to have some kind of mission or event tied to it, and they were all removed, so that the content they were attached to could be dismantled, repackaged and sold back to us, saving costs and dev time whilst Bungie apparently plough all their resources into Marathon. All of these things suck, but they really don't affect veteran players that much. For us it's the principal more than anything. This is why I find it so hard to recommend Destiny to people, because whilst I would happily recommend the experience I had, that experience is unavailable to anyone playing the game today, and the experience that's on offer? The entire New Light experience? You'd have to be a masochist to put yourself through that.

@derrickkinney5399

2 ай бұрын

​@@WozLeeThe problem with this video is he doesn't go out and say anything positive about anything so he just looks like a ranter. He also doesn't go into any detail with most of the problems with the game, probably because he himself has no clue. Basically to me who also still plays every once in a while I know what's been sunset, what not to do etc, but he for some reason has no idea of anything

@Cab8819

2 ай бұрын

100%what stopped me from buying it. I heard I couldn't actually play what I missed out on, and realized I only wanted in on what I heard about, not what was new

The worst thing is that game has such potential, world first raids, competitive pvp, clan vs clan pvp, gambit competitive... But Bungie destroyed every single enjoyable part of the game.

@N.O.A_YT

Жыл бұрын

Competitive pvp????? YOU SERious LMaoooooooo.

@johannes1432

Жыл бұрын

​@@N.O.A_YTit had in D1 especially in the Taken King. There was a very elite and competetive scene around trials

@choke-

Жыл бұрын

@@N.O.A_YT at some point in destiny history the pvp was very good, trials was sick content

@J3wFro69

Жыл бұрын

​@@N.O.A_YTpeople are wild, PvP was never competitive lol I'm with you on this. Going to die on this hill

@NATSIRT_45

Жыл бұрын

@@N.O.A_YT Trials was unironically a starting point for some major pvp streamers prior to fortnite and pubg

Its the player driven market that saves warframe for me, i remember when i had gotten a piece of the saryn prime, and i guess its the one everyone wanted or is really hard to get, and someone gave me the entire set of volt prime (which is who i wanted at the time) in exchange for that one piece

@derrickkinney5399

2 ай бұрын

I don't think the people making this video have spent any true amount of time playing games if they think this is new

Damn after 6 months, the game is dying again, atleast steamchart shows everymonth a decrease in the playerbase and as a hardcore destiny 1 player i really hope it keeps on dying.

@Kr4v3rd

29 күн бұрын

Destiny 1 isn't playable at all anymore right?

@xxcristianxx3418

29 күн бұрын

@@Kr4v3rd Not sure, honestly last time I played it was on the xbox 360 a decade ago

Anyone who has quit playing Destiny, knows about these problems... Hopefully videos like this, prevent new players from falling into the same trap.

@-The-Golden-God-

Жыл бұрын

Feels good being free 🙌

@ISesseriI

Жыл бұрын

I can't believe the game got worse. I stopped playing in Forsaken for good and I couldn't believe DUNGEON KEYS are a fucking thing

@midnightblue3285

Жыл бұрын

@@ISesseriI What happends if you stop playing the dungeons

@jdvsjboy

Жыл бұрын

​@@-The-Golden-God-brother we're all free, they showed they're true colors last season and now it's way worse lol

It's crazy too because I feel like it's made this way to prey on people who don't just buy the Expansion + Annual Pass. If you get that bundle, you basically don't have to worry about buying anything until next year/the next expansion. But the minute you decide not to get that bundle, you have to start doing mental gymnastics and going on an Amazonian expedition to fill in the gaps of what you don't have. It's terrible.

@SkellyHertz

Жыл бұрын

You do need to worry, or at least be annoyed by, the event pass being waved in front of you every season.

@theexternal2352

Жыл бұрын

This is well said

@diinvolg4838

Жыл бұрын

@@SkellyHertz just dont play the events, theyre garbage anyway

@jimmyjab8090

Жыл бұрын

Yes and no, the dungeons are extra content we never used to get we get 2 a year more work = we need to get paid! what if they just increased the cost of the seasons but only those including a dungeon? People would lose their minds! Just as they have now with the relatively small price increase. I agree it’s confusing and badly done and The fragmentation of legacy content is bad but also bungie knows that they specifically said the next on boarding point would be after light and dark ends. What’s the solution we don’t want to pay for it? Then they will stop making it saying that the 30th anniversary would of been free in d1 is BS because there were massive content droughts in d1 they simply wouldn’t of made it!

@turkizno

Жыл бұрын

Not only that but for the balkans the game is still full price, meaning those countries are paying 4x the amount for the same content as everybody else. Imagine you want to play a game but you have to buy 3 of your friends the same game, thats the price.

It took me a couple of weeks to figure out how things worked. Until a friend guide me to understand things

I was a full time player of Destiny 2 (Cayde6sSonAce). And it’s funny you said you need to go lay down and take a nap. This games was exhausting with all the daily laundry list of things to do. And then they give you limited vault space to manage 3 characters. I had to give it up for awhile. I was worn out and I’m just tired thinking about it.

I enjoyed Destiny and Destiny 2 back in the day; tried to get back into Destiny 2 and just got completely confused by all the different expansions for sale. No idea what I had already included in the 'base game', what old content was relevant, what gave me access to new classes, what the best (if any) bundles were to pick the content up. Logged back off again and uninstalled, felt too much like hard work just to shoot some aliens.

@iinsomniaaaaa

11 ай бұрын

As someone who just got into it a month or two ago I had to read the reddit FAQ on what each purchase gets me and Google extensively to see what I needed. That willingness to research alone already sets me apart from most players so I'm in a very small minority of potential new players who will actually stick around. Bungie needs to change it.

@MikkoSimila

11 ай бұрын

​​​@@iinsomniaaaaabungie should first stop deleting content from the game. 😂 everything from Vanilla game to 2018 expansion are gone. You can still buy them on steam, but they add nothing. There is no game to play. 😂 Free to play content in Destiny 2 is just Destiny 1 content. 😂 And every expansion you have bought gets deleted when new expansion comes in. So you can't even replay the game, because content is not there anymore. 😂 they scam you.

@MikkoSimila

11 ай бұрын

​@@iinsomniaaaaanot to mention you have limited time to enjoy expansion before it get deleted. Because it gets deleted. 😂 like Forsaken DLC is not there anymore. You can buy it. But that campain and weapons and places regard to that campain are deleted.

@DrMattHH

10 ай бұрын

​@@MikkoSimilaI started on Forsaken, the 1st explanation, and they had ALREADY deleted huge portions of the campaign. It's crazy that the game is still alive at all, much less still making money.

@T0TALLYAWESOMEGUY

8 ай бұрын

Destiny 2 was one of my first XBox One games. I had a lot of fun with the first raids and liked using the currency to get the shaders from the store. It was MTX for cosmetics only back then. I don't remember buying a battle pass. Actually really sad to see the state of the game now. I loved guns like Sweet Business for questing and it's crazy to see them recycling old exotics as "new" content.

Destiny 2 is the only game I've ever played that had such an Astronomical price tag that i felt like a bad person for trying to get others to play with me

@cosmicthought3419

11 ай бұрын

You shouldn't. Like if anybody just buys out cosmetics, expansions and what so not just to get into it, that's the equivalent of throwing your money in the garbage bin. Like at that point, just donate it to a homeless person with a drug addiction. On the other hand if you spend roughly a couple of weeks or a month or so to see if you want to play the game, then you can decide to invest for your own consumption. It's business and only a product. By the time you're in your 60s, that money is digitally wasted, t'was good trip though.

@derrickkinney5399

2 ай бұрын

Bet your going to have people pay $100 for gta6 lol

It's actually very easy to phrase: microtransactions are totally fine, like in PoE where you can buy a supporter pack, so basically a huge donation to the devs, but what most "game companies" do is completely unacceptable and borderline criminal. They create problems and sell you solutions for real money, basically bullying you into buying stuff that makes sense to be there in the first place. They abuse some players' gambling addiction and other horrible disorders for profit. They don't care about the enjoyment of the product. They create the shiniest possible candy wrapper, sell it for a huge load of money, but there's just feces inside.

I can't afford to enjoy video games anymore.

@greatgirros24

20 күн бұрын

Same

as a d2 player im so ready for this video

@beanenator

Жыл бұрын

My mind still goes to Diablo 2 when people say this 😂😂😂😂

@AceofBlood94

Жыл бұрын

Haven't played since new light

@tnerty6087

Жыл бұрын

Same

@elvindejesus8584

Жыл бұрын

D2 will always be Diablo 2.

@douglasnevins1598

Жыл бұрын

Same, I adore d2 so much, but fuck thos video needed to be made, and with how Asmon talks about microtransactions n stuff I was interested to hear his take

Aztec is worth watching even if you don’t play destiny, love the guy

@oNextq

Жыл бұрын

Yea quit playing destiny but still watch some of his stuff

@Zelisius

Жыл бұрын

It's the energy he has. Shits contagious

@woonsish

Жыл бұрын

Destiny doesn't deserve Cross tbh that man is a goat lmao

@Herringboner

Жыл бұрын

If he branches out that guy can be as big as Tim the tat man, Doc, Nickmercs Ect.

@gambeano

Жыл бұрын

​@@Herringboneri think asmon reacting positively to him and subbing on stream will be that bridge. Hopefully anyways. Love aztecross

What is crazier than this are the players who ignore or defend the state of the game. Especially after the gutting recently copium is high. But Bungie had it coming when you think about how they have handled Destiny 2.

I would have gone with certain ideas being lock behind expansions like the stasis subclass it just so happens that stasis is the best subclass for pvp

I remember playing the Destiny 1 closed beta... I was hooked immediately! (Void Warlock since Day 0) I stopped playing last season as I saw the writing on the wall. Sad to see what's become of Destiny, a franchise with so much potential.

@3zoozQ80

Жыл бұрын

Same even made a tribute vid for d1 . Stopped playing d2 sadly .

@Gamma_Labs

Жыл бұрын

Same man. When I took a break during d2 I had to drop like $200 on dlc

@castlesbard1547

Жыл бұрын

Right there with you.

@FrogOf4Chan

Жыл бұрын

Fellow day 0 player and a voidlock as well, I'm finishing the final shape and I'm done with bungie after that. I've watched the lore over the years and loved the mystery at first, but after I applied skepticism I realized mystery wad a thinly veiled disguise for laziness and a lack of a coherent story with more plotholes than Swiss cheese. I played WoW for over a decade before I quit and destiny feels the exact same to me, its predatory and disgusting to see.

@adamcrowl8845

Жыл бұрын

I remember playing the pve alpha and getting excited over playing in the beginning earth area and having 20 minutes of stuff to do lol

I don't like the "it's only cosmetics" argument for micro transactions. Especially when the best customization options keep getting set aside and sold via in-game stores. Game fashion is a huge market. Devs and publishers know this. That's why they keep defending the "but at least its not pay to win! Amirite!" arguments. Slowly, the best customization options keep getting pay walled.

@Castitalus

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget, they took what should have been raid cosmetics and put them in the cash shop in Shadowkeep.

@gorebutt

Жыл бұрын

gone are the days you can show off a cosmetic you achieved by playing the game

I haven't stepped over my micro transaction line, but I'm acoustic.

“Have I ever been wrong” in regards to the 3 minute cinematic- yea this time you were thankfully. Thank fuck bungie is down 45% on revenue after the final shape showcase. People finally voted with their wallets.

Destiny 2’s monetization is less about micro transactions and more about dividing up content into seperate purchases to get more money out of a dedicated player vs buying them all together at one, slightly lower price but with 0 idea about the quality of the content.

@TheAluvisify

Жыл бұрын

Yep, that's my biggest issue.

One scummy thing about Destiny 2 I found that no one talks about is how the Devs can essentially delete expansions or dlc to make room for newer expansions because that’s why the og campaign is not there because they felt the game is too big.

@nobelissimos8719

11 ай бұрын

Had no interest in Destiny 1 or 2 and heard they had issues and whatever, but 2 seemed to get better and I saw it on for a pretty good sale with expansions so I bought them against my better judgement. Not long after they gave the game and expansions out for free because they were planning on deleting them for the new expansions. I managed to go through the main story but I didn't get to touch any of the expansions I paid for before they were deleted and I never bothered playing the game again. Im glad I quit before I really got into the game. Still mad I got robbed of 60 dollars.

@BarredRock

11 ай бұрын

Yup additionally I go by the Opinion of Red War being the single BEST Destiny Campaign and it got removed

@oxsila

10 ай бұрын

Basically they removed a bunch of planets and content so they can use it in future for seasonal content lol. They just reskin it and hope noone notices. It's crazy

@Thesavagesouls

10 ай бұрын

Dude i had no idea they removed old campaigns. I'm never going back to that game.

@DrMattHH

10 ай бұрын

​@@ThesavagesoulsI started playing at the first expansion (of 5 so far), and they had ALREADY deleted huge portions of the campaign because of the stupid way they forced the single player campaign to be part of the multiplayer world, which is constantly changing. I skipped an expansion & tried to get back in, & it was a nightmare trying to figure out what you were supposed to be going. Literally impossible to follow any part of the story because they're constantly deleting things.

No surprises there. I have obviously zero loyalty to free-to-play games as life service titles with microtransactions with a lifespan of a goldfish

If bungie wants to treat the game as free to play then campaigns should be free!

Watching the state of the VG industry slowly deteriorate is like watching the love of your life slowly rotting into a zombie. You keep hoping they'll recover and ever so often you see something that resembles what they once were and then it fails again.

@gothmogthrac4457

11 ай бұрын

Plug in the old ps2 and play some Socom

@senounatsuru6453

11 ай бұрын

This is why I'm mostly done with western devs. They might occasionally put out something good, and I hope for that, but if they're not indies, I stick to japanese devs. They still care about quality products, not endless monetization.

@masonnasty8596

11 ай бұрын

As long as the zombie is Ed and I can go out in my shed and sort of play playstation with him

@tylerpearson9754

11 ай бұрын

This was eloquently put

@DSkulle1

11 ай бұрын

its wild to me that ea of all companies released a no nonsense no microtransaction single player game in 2023

how crazy is it that Bungie left Activision/Blizzard only to adopt a similar, if not downright identical business model, and take it to the nth level... I honestly never thought Bungie would ever resort to these sort of methods. This was probably the most heartbreaking react to sit through only because, much like Blizzard, Bungie was one of those companies I literally grew up with as far back as the original Marathon. We're talkin' some ground zero action here! Unbelievable...

@Unchainedful

11 ай бұрын

Money corrupts, Bungie seen all that money Activision was making off of them and Bungie said they wanted ALL of the money. And now that they have Sony over them and allows them to not only continue their business practices, but also highly encourages them to do so. Times are changing, it’s simply the way how things are now.

Yeah, friend was telling me all about how he worked to unlock things on Destiny 2 and it was giving me flashbacks to another friend describing how he had only spent a couple of hundred to buy a $1k ship in star citizen...

Halos ligma armor was the best armor set I have ever layed eye on.

Aztecross has been my destiny guy forever. His contact is always great. Still watching him and haven’t played destiny in 4 years

@TheSplicedBread

Жыл бұрын

I'm with you there. Pattycake comes number 2 for me

@Kenji-117

11 ай бұрын

I stopped playing at the end of S19 (which was really great and reason why I wanted to finish it) and i also still watch him and some other creators just because they are great creators. Destinys content creators im general are really great. Aztecross, Wallah, Datto, Fallout, etc. These guys saved the game many times for me actually.

Love seeing an Aztecross video covered this widespread

I loved playing Destiny 4-6 years ago on my Xbox One s Yes DLC's were a bit pricey, but I could still play stuff (also remember progression with power level) I recently logged alin and suddenly was at power level 1000+ (I was 304 when I last actively played)

12:00 this kind of mechanic can be convoluted but still good. For example, Dark souls weapon upgrades. In DS1, you have to have souls to upgrade a weapon, but you also need titanate shards. There are 4 levels of base titanate, but before you can go to each level, you have to give a blacksmith a coal. If you are going for base power/scaling, you need both the large and very large ember to give to Andre. If not, you have to find the specific ember you need and give it to the blacksmith who takes said ember. THEN there's the colored titanite... Anyway, the point is that convoluted systems aren't always bad, but usually gets bad ONLY through added content to a base game. A base game like Dark souls has convoluted systems, but is still easy for the player to navigate. D2 is impossible to navigate as a new player because content has been added specifically for max level characters for a long time. This also happens to a lot of MMORPGs.

One thing I learned from playing online games. Don't get too attached to your account and Don't spend too much money on an online game that can be gone in a year or two. Live-service, mmos, or any game tied to a server to play is where you should always draw a line.

@tophatsntales

Жыл бұрын

yup. any game thats a service. thats always online or something like that? i try not to get too invested in it. cause one day itll just be gone and you can never play it again.

Asmongold having microtransaction overload at 40:55 is HILARIOUS 😂

@smithereenss5840

11 ай бұрын

This is when I realized Asmon rocked a ponytail 😅

They locked SKILLS behind a paywall...? respect.

"Wallets open Guardians!"

It all goes back to the gdc interview for me. It was the tipping point and really clued me in too their motives and where the mindset is at bng. That was there story sure…but that’s also them telling you they are setting the new norm. And thats them telling all other devs get less is more and it’s working for us 10 fold.

@victormonte5881

11 ай бұрын

Till yhey stsrted getting bad review and less sales

I really hope that since this is reaching beyond the Destiny community, that a conversation can really start about this. Lets hope.

@petervalvo1186

Жыл бұрын

Bungie isn't interested in having a conversation, doesn't matter how much people complain. We can only make a statement by not spending $, but people are terrible about not spending $ on games so it's never going to happen lol

@gerardddd

Жыл бұрын

​@@petervalvo1186Bungie is too busy being woke

@J3wFro69

Жыл бұрын

​@@gerarddddno they're too busy making money don't be stupid lol

@torao8821

Жыл бұрын

@@petervalvo1186 the people complaining aren't the people that're buying up bungie's stuff, so bungie doesn't care lol. Only thing that'll get them to stop if the whales stop buying

@mattcubed9658

Жыл бұрын

@@gerardddd Can you morons stop using buzzwords incorrectly lmao

I feel like I’d need to study a textbook worth of info before playing as a new player lol.

Also in POE you dont need currency tab. Its just neat thing for people who love order.

As a destiny slave, I'm so happy to see asmon reacting to cross, it's a gift from the heavens

@115DELDE

Жыл бұрын

just stop playing Destiny man, its not worth it.

@largestbigman5267

Жыл бұрын

@@115DELDEI have to see the end man

@sneaklone_

Жыл бұрын

@@115DELDEno other game has raids/dungeons in an FPS format sadly. If another game does those specifically I’ll consider quitting.

The seasonal items (season 21) total will cost around 44k silver. The communal archived items will cost around 260k silver. The combined exotic cosmetics of each class (Hunter, Titan and Warlock) in the archived section is around 22k silver each, so 66k silver for all 3 classes. So if someone wanted to buy everything currently on the Eververse store with silver, it is roughly over 360,000 silver.

@FelisImpurrator

11 ай бұрын

And how much is that in actual money?

@omniadoc

11 ай бұрын

@@FelisImpurrator So if its around $10usd for 1,000 silver. so thats like $3,600 USD give or take.

@FelisImpurrator

11 ай бұрын

@@omniadoc Man. That's nasty.

@AETHEREALMINDS

11 ай бұрын

None of the stuff you can buy in the store has any effect on gameplay. I know Cross makes the argument that loot is the endgame so it’s “pay to win,” since loot is “winning” but the cosmetics you get from the store are aesthetic only. It’s ludicrous to say that d2 is pay to win. Unless you mean paying for the game itself, which is… most games? The real shit that you need, that you want, comes from playing the game. I don’t know why people are acting like micro transactions are brand new… every live service game has it, and a lot are much worse than this. Inclusion of season pass was just an optics shift. Before season passes, before the game was “free to play,” you’d simply buy the season, buy the content. You’d still get all the same shit, it was just dispersed through vendors and challenges and stuff. When the game went “free to play,” they introduced the season pass ladder. Same content, same price. But now instead of buying the season you’re buying the season pass. No difference in content. But the “season pass” has a much more negative imprint. They should’ve never gone free to play, because it isn’t really, and just confused things even more. The seasonal armor you get in Season of the Deep (by playing the game) is some of the best armor they’ve ever released in the game. I’m not even rank 100 yet (used to get there in a week or two) after a month and a half of the Season. But I’ll still get the coolest armor by playing a few hours a week. Barely a grind.

@omniadoc

11 ай бұрын

@@AETHEREALMINDS I know its all cosmetic and it has no impact on game play and you dont need to spend a single dime in it. I haven't. But the point is that Bungie is putting a most of their effort or time on the store instead of elsewhere. And lastly, I just rough calculated the store total just for information. No one is going to buy everything from the store.

And they fucking reset your light level every new season

@keroseno-po1pw

4 ай бұрын

and the leveling on destiny is the dumbest lvling on any game not make your feel more powerfull have more ligh level is pointless is just a cap to lock endgame content every season and make you replay the same old activities again and again just to get the chance to get the pinacle you need D2 progresion is the worst progresion i ever experienced on any game and a waste of time

@GazHD

4 ай бұрын

@@keroseno-po1pw I hear you it's one of the many reasons why I quit after light fall

I was very close to going all in on Destiny 2 since I missed the first game's train. I'm glad I didn't hop on the second time around.

Played a little D2 but was big on D1. Destiny 1 got me back into gaming. Very sad to see what its become. Think about going back from time to time but not anymore 😢

@creepsus24

Жыл бұрын

this thing started on year 3 but wasn't this bad. Y2 of D2 was the best one in entire destiny era

@ravagerxiii5488

Жыл бұрын

Same.

This is why I've been playing alot of my older single player games lately, I'm sick and tired of MTX being in all games including latest single player ones, The last week I have put 70 hours into Yakuza 0 and im only on Chapter 7 out of 14, there is so much content in the game at no extra cost to me that I am happy to keep doing this.

@vandalm9311

Жыл бұрын

Good decision, we all should stop supporting these bullshit greedy live service games that's ruining the AAA game industry and just play good single player games. On the other note, If you're a fan of the series, you should continue with kiwami 1 and kiwami 2. They're not as good as 0 but still a fun yakuza games nonetheless. I've also heard good things about 3-6, but haven't had the chance to play them. I'm currently playing yakuza 7 tho, the new turn based combat is very refreshing and it's on the way of becoming my favourite yakuza game like zero haha

@o0kingmoney0o

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been playing this series too I’m on Kiwami 2 it’s extremely fun

@Sentinel82

11 ай бұрын

​@@yyyhhh8481You're barking up the wrong tree here

@kingofrannoch

11 ай бұрын

70 hours in one week?

@kaira9094

11 ай бұрын

@@kingofrannoch A week or so, anyway...

I was a D1 veteran all the way to the end (Rise of Iron), and played D2 from launch but by the end of Shadowkeep bungies monetization of this game had almost single handedly killed every last ounce of interest I had in the game. I came back off and on during beyond light but every single time I did it would last 1 maybe 2 weeks at most. It's almost depressing knowing just how much potential this game had only for it to be completely squandered away out of greed. And I don't say this lightly at all but this game very easily had more than enough potential to be one of the greatest games of all time.

The thing people often forget about cosmetic only mtx is that they take dev time that could’ve been used for really good content. And we see this issue with destiny 2 a lot. For years we haven’t had any new vendor armor sets but every 3 months we get 2 brand new dope ass armor sets for silver. Along with a few exotic weapon and armor ornaments. We get way more character customization options for silver then we can actually earn in game

am i the only one that thinks paid for cosmetics ruined games? the thing i most enjoyed about games like destiny was getting the rare and hard to get shaders and cosmetics. theres no point now with 99% of games on the market, you can't show off your achievements, you're just showing off your pocketbook.

@fredxu99

Жыл бұрын

I bemoaned this years ago and was met with the response "but the devs have to fund the game". Now look at where we're at, spend $30 for a dev-designed outfit to stand out from the crowd and people complain that there's nothing to grind for anymore cosmetically... yayyyy.

@linguotgr

Жыл бұрын

You aren’t alone. “It’s just cosmetic” was always a bad argument, because cosmetics are an important part of games. I would argue just as important as gameplay. I mean people would be pissed if something like playing a female character or a black character was locked behind a paywall, but strictly speaking that’s just cosmetic. Digital self-expression is important (note: I’m not saying playing as a pre-designed character is bad, or less than a customized character). Cosmetics, are important. If they weren’t, people wouldn’t spend so much on them.

@frank-b6169

Жыл бұрын

Nothing but facts

I am mainly a PVP player and I agree with this part The fact that we've had no new maps in years is ridiculous. They keep giving us back old maps. They keep returning game modes that they took out of the game. Give us some new maps. That's all I really want.

@bellcross9985

11 ай бұрын

dude , they have never put our a new enemy race.. NEVER!!! only re-skins.

@WeebDragon42069

10 ай бұрын

There's new items in the shop tho ^_^ 💀 😔

@blinkq_530

9 ай бұрын

what was scorn? @@bellcross9985

@JG-dh2km

9 ай бұрын

Don't forget to mention that they keep nerfing high skill ceiling weapons just to cater to the cry baby casuals in PVP.

29:53 you used to in destiny one when you got the dlc. The ornaments used to come with the dlc

I actually love that they put a 15 second unskippable ad at 6:15 when they spoke about the ads being like twitch I fucking died laughing 😂 first time I enjoyed watching an ad lol

It was tough but after 6k hours I left destiny this year and won't be returning. The direction of bungie has been wrong for a while now and it's becoming more obvious by the day, it's a shame because it really did so well for so long and at one point even looked like they were going in a better direction... The fall from grace

The tilting point for me was the introduction of paying for transeweave materials for your transmog you earn in game. Each class is capped at 10 to earn per season, after you use your 10 (split between helm, gauntlets, chest, legs, and class item) you have to purchase the material to unlock your in-game earned armor to transmog. Blows my mind.

@howdoyouevenknow6526

Жыл бұрын

Yea this is fucked another reason why I stopped playing literally the only game to charge the player money for fucking transmog is unreal

@TheOneSivalus

Жыл бұрын

sunsetting planets was it for me, taking away content we payed for

@Weeb32460

Жыл бұрын

@@TheOneSivalusbUt nObOdy pLaYS iT!!

Honestly you can buy all the dlc’s you need with roughly 120$ if you wait for sales which come very often to epic and steam

As an avid Destiny fan, thank you for spreading this message to a bigger audience. Cross deserves all the praise, and maybe this nonsense getting exposed out into a more general gaming audience will force Bungie to respond...maybe.

@hyez3671

Жыл бұрын

P and

@Fefnefef

Жыл бұрын

who cares anymore. if people had an ounce of integrity they would abandon bungie regardless of any "acknowledgement" at this point. can get stabbed in the back only so many times before having to admit that they are purely acquisitive

@hhaste

Жыл бұрын

@@Fefnefef That's the incorrect mentality to have. Why just abandon something, if you still enjoy it? Just abandoning it won't solve anything, it'll just make the entire game we all enjoy disappear. We just need to not purchase anything, until they fix it. The problem is, these addicts won't stop buying stuff.

@Ioganstone

11 ай бұрын

@@Fefnefef -fill their coffers so I can get Marathon- They are fixing everything as we speak. Just be happy you can still login for free. The excitement and satisfaction just from logging in is great on its own.