Thanks man! EXACTLY what I was looking for! I seriously appreciate your clarity, effort and creativity!

Give this man a medal, this video would have solved everyone's problem who have bought a twin slot gpu even though it's low profile and thought they stuffed up!! You should also compare the benchmark without the card inserted so you have the default values vs x4 vs x16

@username_1985

9 ай бұрын

This just happened to me, I bought a 1050ti Low Profile for my 5040 and thought I fucked up big but the 8 to 10 fps less doesnt bother me. I'm an oldschool offline singleplayer. So I really dont care, if the game runs at 50 or 60 fps. I grwq up with an old mono crt, a fat lady ps2 and 720x576 at 25 fps and was happy with that.

I had to look away as you cut the back of that case 😬😁

i appreciate your dedication!

You're doing the lord's work out here. Thanks for the info buddy.

@tasnimulsarwar9189

3 жыл бұрын

@Landyn Bobby why would you do such a thing?

@vespirowedet833

2 жыл бұрын

@@tasnimulsarwar9189 because he's giving an alternative solution to GPU surpot on that PC

@tasnimulsarwar9189

2 жыл бұрын

@@vespirowedet833 bruh, my first reply was to the OP but to someone who commented below it.

@gloomboyyt1791

2 жыл бұрын

lol

I was looking for exactly this information for so long for my optiplex 7060 !! Amazing friend you have my sub

@MrWhitianga

3 жыл бұрын

I'm using the card in a 7060 sff right now, its a great combo, cheers

@azisons578

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrWhitianga i have a optiplex 7060 also a sff do you have discord i wanna contact you about it to help me with my problem please?

@azisons578

3 жыл бұрын

i have a optiplex 7060 also a sff do you have discord i wanna contact you about it to help me with my problem please?

@MrWhitianga

3 жыл бұрын

@@azisons578 no I don't use discord

Thanks for sacrificing your case to do this testing, I’ve been running a 1050 in mine and always wondered what kind of difference the x16 slot would make

Excellent video, proves the dell forums wrong at the very least, shows that you are definitely able to run the card through the x4 slot with no external power necessary Keep it up mate

@the.internet

2 жыл бұрын

Thank God I found this video. I took a punt on a gfx card and I bought a refurb pc. All info online said that my card wasn't going to work, I can't put it into an x4 pcie slot, etc. Nuff idiots on Q&A forums throwing out disinformation. Well this video means I'm gonna get it all up and running tomorrow. I have an optiplex 5060 to play with so same case as the OP. As far as I can see as long as the x4 slot or any slot smaller than x16 has an 'open back' you can plug anything in there and it's fine overlapping.

Thanks for the inspiration! I upgraded my old DELL 9020 by adding the same Geforce GTX card as in this video here and the result is fantastic. Two games that my kids are playing are Settlers 7 and Lego Undercover, well the experience after upgrade is "it's a new game" -feeling. From around 7-18 FPS using onboard intel GFX with low level of details and resolution in the game to 60+ FPS when highest detail levels activated. I am running the x4 PCI slot and feel that the 10% that can be added by moving to x16 PCI is not necessary at this point of time. There are "connectors" that can be used if you don't want to break the chassi when using x16 PCI slot... Please share your experience after upgrade. And yes, the original Power Supply Unit is supporting the new hardware setup well. That was my biggest concern when adding new hardware, since the power consumption of the graphic card is close to the max PSU capacity, will there be any power issues after some hours of playing? It works!

@BerserkDoomer

3 жыл бұрын

I guess as long you dont overclock the CPU with the Intel Booster feature it should be fine.

@Death666wish

2 жыл бұрын

I've replaced the PSU with a 315w OEM one from Dell on my 7020 sff, worked great for almost a year and a half now, but I have decided it is now time to upgrade and utilize that extra 10% with a new case, motherboard, and PSU, even though I don't really need to.

@robinschepens6228

2 жыл бұрын

So basically i can use a pcie x16 riser for the full load if i wanna use the full x16 slot and it works perfectly fine?

@filmingstuff7085

2 жыл бұрын

@@robinschepens6228 there are ribions that extend that 16x slot because using that 4x slot reduces performance by 10% and at that point just get the rx 1050 and put it in the 16x slot since is small and fits perfectly.

@randomgamingin144p

Жыл бұрын

@@filmingstuff7085 there isnt a rx 1050

I love the dedication! I was running into the same thing with my 7020 SFF and Zotac 1650. My solution was to take everything out of the case and put it inside a Dell Optiplex 790 "DT" case. Any of those "DT" size cases will work. It not only let me use the x16 slot, but it lowered my temps from the SFF case. The only drawback was losing two usb 2.0 ports on the front. I purchased a different front port part that has the blue connector for the 2 usb 3.0. It matches the 7020(9020 too). The old DT had a black connector. Everything works great. Even the ssd I have in the fake optical drive tray fit. I am getting ready to move everything yet again to a Dell Precision T1700 case for full ATX power supply. The Precision has the same matching blue connector for front ports. Lets hope it all fits!

@MrWhitianga

3 жыл бұрын

Hey great idea, we get old dell precisions turning up from time to time so will try it out if I get a chance, cheers

@stemdeckesupreme164

2 жыл бұрын

This comment you left here is a real diamond in the rough. I really appreciate it. Did you ever swap into another Dell case? I've been trying to research if the SFF motherboards will fit in the mini tower cases with no luck so far

thank you for the video. This is why I love youtube, an indepth video answering my exact question. cheers

Thanks big dog, video still helping 3 years later!

Thank you so much for this video. It really helped me out because I got a huge scare because I thought I couldn't fit it in my 7020 sff. Videos like this just provide solid reassurance and confirmation that it will work.

Hey man! Awesome job with the case mod! Thanks a ton for doing this so others (me) don't have to 😆 I'm making a video on this topic as well and am going to use your video as a reference to the pcie x4 vs x16 slot performance so I just wanted to make sure I let you know. Ill also be linking your video and channel in my description so my community can check your full video out! Let me know if you have any issues with that!

@MrWhitianga

3 жыл бұрын

thanks for the feedback and yeah that's fine if you want to mention or link to my video, cheers

@RAVisuals

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrWhitianga will do brother! Thank you!

@wobblyboost

7 ай бұрын

How I got here, was even better surprise to follow RAVs link and find a fellow aussie PC tinkerer. Thank you both.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! What a stress reliever! Man, I didn’t think it would work in the shorter slot.

The minimum fps score is great info, it means that the minimum performance is not impacted by x4 - only peak fps is - so in real world the x4 will be sweet - thanks so much

thank you for doing this benchmark test and mangling your case in the name of science!

You are a life saver, just upgraded my daughter's optiplex 7020 from a gt 710 to a gtx 1650, pretty much exactly the same case as ur vid, I didn't know I cud use the small pcie lane, she only has a 60hz monitor so the lost frames won't matter as she plays eSports, thank you

I love the small size of the SFF, only thing that sucks is now I feel like my 1650 isn't being used to its full potential

I have a 9020 optiplex running a 1030 and it’s been amazing. Haven’t owned a pc in my life so I didn’t want to break the bank so for 350, I’m playing a lot of games I never got to play and emulate. My optiplex was 1tb sssd, 32gb ram and an intel i7 4770 processor for 250. It definitely struggles with new game but I expected that. I may upgrade my Gpu and get a used one when it’s not 250 dollars

Thanks so much for taking the time to explore this question. The LP GTX 1650 cards are insane in terms of price right now (actually just about any LP card is hard to get). I see below that think it would be a much better bang for the buck to invest in a GTX 1050i card. I agree that if you really want a gaming rig, this is not the system to invest in.

Thanks for the vid!! I used this as a guide to mangle my case to fit my own GTX 1650 inside. Ain’t pretty, but hey, I can game

@tasnimulsarwar9189

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome!

@paulshizzledizzle6180

Жыл бұрын

Was there 10% improvement on FPS or was it more? Any csgo data?

I'm late seeing your video, great info m8. I use the earlier Optiplex 7010 that has the x16 slot where you need it. With this mobo, you can run a XEON E3-1220 V2 processor which has the same if not better specs as an i5 but has a cheaper price on eBay usually. Obviously, the Xeon needs an added video card but a low-profile 1050ti or 1650 like you show works well. I have an i7 2600s in mine which out performs the Xeon with 16gb DDR 3, I`m an emulation freak so love retrogaming and modern gaming at 1080p. I love the idea of a half decent gaming rig in a business PC, like putting a porsche engine in a VW Beetle.

@claudiuvatamaniuc3262

3 жыл бұрын

Does 1650 LP fit inside Optiplex 7010 ? I Currently have Optiplex 7010 with 1050 TI LP and it fits perfectly and I would like to upgrade to 1650.

@retrobox4747

3 жыл бұрын

@@claudiuvatamaniuc3262 I hadxa 1050ti, i now run a 1650 low profile as its definitely the fastest card that fits. Its identical size. I have an MSI version but Zotac and Gigabyte fit also.

@sizzla167

2 жыл бұрын

Hi does a 1050ti fit inside the dell optiplex 9020 i5 sff?

@retrobox4747

2 жыл бұрын

@@sizzla167 as i stated in my comment above, LOW PROFILE 1050ti or 1650 will fit. There are a few brands, MSI, ASUS, ZOTAC. Just the worst time to find one due to world wide chip shortage. Good luck!

For anybody watching this... 2 things... Yep put in the i7-4790, works just fine, with the 32GB of ram even if you have to stuff around starting it... Second make sure to get the optiplex 9010, yep it only has the 3770 which is 5% worse then 4790 but in that you can use the full size 16x.

This guy is a hero, he proved the idiots in the dell forum wrong, it is definitely possible to run the card on the x4 port without external power

Wow you are most definitely the " MAN " total genius I've been wanting to do this and you showed me how ! 🤔🤔🤔

Did exactly the same with a Lenovo M93p SSF though I also updated the processor with an I7-4790 and 16GB od ram. I love those SFF machines

Very great video, guys this man deserves an oscar

Thank you so much for the video! I have the exact dell and just ordered my 1650 and i was wondering if it was gonna work. One question: Did you need an adaptor for the 4x slot? Or just insert the card and let part of it hang? Thank you so much for the video, keep them coming, im subbed!

@MrWhitianga

3 жыл бұрын

No adapter needed, pretty much plug and play, just make sure you've got the latest urgent drivers from dell for your 9020, cheers

Awesome information, thanks for doing the cutting and benchmarking. I have several of these 9020 sff. Been getting along with x4 but now I have aspirations. (where are my metal clippers...:-) ) thank you again.

I just bought a 9020 SFF on ebay for $59 and I was going to use it as a dedicated firewall running PFSense, but I also have an old 380 SFF that I had upgraded the CPU and added memory a few years back. and it runs arch linux very well. Both computers can run a GTX 1030, or I could install a Network Interface card to the PCI e slots in either machine, so now I am thinking of using the 380 as my firewall and adding a graphics card to the 9020. Seems like a waste of processor to use the better machine as a firewall when I only have about 5 computers on my network. The 1030 while not as good as the 1650 also performs well enough to run GTA V at greater than 50 fps on high settings which seems adequate. But nice of you to run this comparison, for me 8fps gain is not enough to justify cutting into the case for me anyway, but good info.

Thank you. I thought I messed up but only seeing a 9% lost in performance, doesn't look too bad. But thanks for testing this!

I didn't even know it was possible to plug a graphic card on these little port. lol Thank you for sharing this (and the benchmark of course)

I'm doing this.. My PC ( tower) broke and I have an optiplex like this I'm using it with gtx 1650 ventus 4 gb that doesn't require extra voltage I've tested everything out of the case ' it runs my favorite games at 60+ FPS.. I mainly play just 2 games. Lol I'm adding some ram too with total of 16 gigs'.

My test on GTX 1650 GDDR5 , 2.0 x4 VS 3.0 x16 Forza Horizon 4: pcie 2.0 x4 : avg fps: 50 fps pcie 3.0 x16 : avg fps: 68 fps Red Dead Redemption 2: pcie 2.0 x4 : avg fps: 44.5 fps pcie 3.0 x16 : avg fps: 62.3 fps GTA 5: pcie 2.0 x4 : avg fps: 64.3 fps pcie 3.0 x16 : avg fps : 72 fps Conclusion: there is a performance loss of about 15 to 20% on the PCIE 2.0 x4

This is what I need to watch, Thank you so much for your effort!

You deserve more subscribers!

Hi, as with everyone else here, I very much appreciate the time/effort you put into this. It was on the back of your early video a few years ago that I bought the 9020 and a 1050Ti. In your opinion, is it worth the upgrade to the 1650? With the same setup (x4 slot) what FPS increase do you see with the 1650? If it's only minor, my next adventure may be with a 3620. Keep up the good work. You're my guiding light

@MrWhitianga

3 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for the kind words. And no I wouldn't recommend upgrading to the 1650, its not really worth it especially with the limited bandwidth on the generation 4 cpu. I think your best option is to keep using that setup and at some stage upgrade the pc and gpu. Hope that helps

La mía está así destapada tengo la RX 550 AMD y ahora voy a personalizar la tapa ✌️🎉🎊

I love your video and what you have done for the Science

Thank you that was greatly informative.

I advise everyone who puts 1050ti and 1650 to install a 1265l v3 processor - it has a very small consumption of only 45w with a video core and about 25-30w without a video core, which gives a supply to the power supply for the video card, it is very important that the power supply does not work at the limit.

I set this up with my kid's 9020 machine a few years back -- I even upgraded the PSU to the best available Dell SFF CPU. The 1650 just died. I think drawing that power on the underpowered rails wore it out. So caveat emptor.

I don't know if you've ever been told this, but man you look like Raymond Cruz, the actor that played Tuco in Breaking Bad

Tuco is seeming a lot more calmer these days ever since he got interested in computers

@FinalVibes

Жыл бұрын

Computers are tight!

Thanks for doing the research!

I'm late to this video, but there's single slot full size 1650 options that instead of cutting the back of the case I trimmed out an almost exact fit of the card in the x16 slot on the side panel. Works great for this ff.

Love your work. I have the same setup and was wondering if anyone else sees the bios fan control failing to work on these properly after Standby/Resume? Only noticeable when running intensive gaming or high utilisation. The fans don't spin up to the same rpm as they do after a fresh boot. It's a weird one but I have seen across multiple Optiplex models...

I was about to buy a new pc just to get some gaming going on my optiplex 7th gen i7, so glad i did some google first and found this video instead of purchasing somthing i dont need

I love you so much!! Thank you for this great video!

Intereesting! Love this video!

Great video! I aprecciate the time you took to show us the benchmarks. I have an 9020 SFF but its an i7 4770; its safe to assume the 255W PSU will work just fine with a 1650? If yes, may I put an SSD too?

@MrWhitianga

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it should work fine, I had an i7 in my 9020 and ssd and 2TB serial SATA hard drives running for ages, no problems

@kauanabrahao2711

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrWhitianga Sorry to bother you again. Could you tell me at what temperature the GTX is running at under stress? Thanks to your video I managed to slap a low profile in my SFF and its running nice! But the temperatures are kinda high (80-85°C) while gaming. It is the same for you? Thanks!!

@dennissinger7880

3 жыл бұрын

You can buy the Dell XE2 power Supply and have 315 watt :)

@martinadamsson3028

3 жыл бұрын

@@kauanabrahao2711 yes around 80°C

@podpahcortes8652

2 жыл бұрын

Hello friend, did you have any problems using the PSU 255w using a GTX 1650?

I don't know how to thank you. Thanks for destroying your computer for us. This was better than any article. You solved my problem bro.

The important point for me in this case is that the lows seem to be more or less stable. I have a Dell 7040 and this machine still has this problem... I don't know whether or not Dell changed the configuration since 😄

Thanks for this. I can imagine the motherboard designers deliberately putting the x16 to close to the psu. Why on earth they were not switched.

Maaaate! I Love the dedication! 👍

nice video thanks - thats helped me a ton!

After going through like 70 different models of office PC between Lenovo, Dell and HP. The one that seems best to upgrade is HP elitedesks G2 6th gen would be cheapest I’d consider upgrading but the G4 makes the most sense if you want a budget gaming PC

Thank you so much! Just for 10% more performance, i think id save my time from cutting and modifying the ps. Again, thank you for this video, otherwise i wouldn't know!

so would the 1630 gtx work in that black slot

Very interesting video! Honestly, before destroying the case i would take the board out and bench the card then. Only when i know the results i would destroy anything.... And the difference between x16 and x4 isnt too much. Depends on the games, so i support your conclusion, not worth it. Serious gamer need newer solutions😀

Just got a Dell Optiplex 390. If you're looking to do this I would recommend the 390 because the card slots are reversed allowing you to get the larger row without modifications.

@mstover2809

Жыл бұрын

Optiplex 390 is a 2nd gen machine and a major step backwards from a 4th gen i5. I plan on replacing a 790 with a 9020.

@RetroCheater81

Жыл бұрын

@@mstover2809 the one I had had an i7

An update to my comment below, the solution that MrWhitianga presented is working fine for me, I am running the PC + GTX 1650 gfx card 24/7 for 5 months now and everything is working just fine.

Thanks for this video, really helpful, aswell as your previous one - you stole your DIY skills from me I think, although I have a bigger hammer, so there! So, I have the 7060 MT (mini tier) which is a slightly deeper pizza box than your SFF I believe. Would you recommend this (or better) gpu for it? Or would you suggest trying to transplant this into a bigger case with a better psu and better gpu ? Or should I hack the case to take a full size card, or even use a riser cable reposition the gpu somewhere (no idea where!) ? It's an i7-8700 so it's quite a powerful cpu. thx for any suggestions. Oh , if you're in NZ, if you see Clive Umbers tell him he's a git!

Thanks a lot!. I had this doubt and now cleared.

I am trying to find a video of this exactly comparing the AMD RX 6400 vs GTX 1650 LP/SFF

Thank you for this video

Kia ora brother. I have one of these and another oldie, a HP Z440.

JUST what i needed! - Ty!

Glad that I came to see this, I was planning on doing this with the GTX 1050 TI Low Profile. Now this one is even Better, thank you! Edit: Does the GPU fit in the 4 pin slot without removing the PSU?

This man is a legend

you should do a case swap and it will work well theirs plenty of small cases out their that will work great. and overall better airflow.

Wonder if when you put a gtx 1650 low profile gddr5 in a 9020 sff, with i7 4790, would it play halo infinite, modern warfare 2 and cyberpunk at 60+ fps?

Your demo is very resourceful. Im wondering: is it possible to install RTX A2000 in PCIe x4 slot in my Dell Optiplex 9020 SFF i7-4770 32GB, after installing Win 11 64bit? I read that Win 11 will not work with i7-4770 on that mobo. Thank you. Well done.

Thank you very much for your work I wanted to ask how are your 16GB of ram? I just ordered a 9020 SFF with 8GB of ram but it doesn't specify how the slots are used, it coud be 4 2GB sticks? I live in Venezuela and the computer + the gtx 1650 will be sent here but I want to upgrade the ram, what is the limit of each slot? I want to buy two 8GB sticks but I'm not sure if the mother board can handle it and also a if you still have the link for your memory sticks it would help me a lot

@VV117

3 жыл бұрын

Estoy igual que tu, tengo esa misma pc y según su manual soporta hasta 32GB DDR3 1600MHz, tiene 4 ranuras, es decir, cada ranura soporta hasta 8GB. Fuente: topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/optiplex-9020-desktop_owners-manual_en-us.pdf Pag. 49

Ah im using a dell optiplex 3020 SFF, so essentially a gpu can fit in the case if the PSU isnt blocking it so putting it outside the case would be fine right?

Also is the X for slot the only option on the 7020 SFF? Obviously that’s true because the PCI x16 slot is so close to the power supply that the card won’t fit unless it is fit into the x4 Slot. But would a x16 adapter improve performance? Doesn’t seem like it but just wondering? And also would it be much of an improvement if I swapped out a GT 1030 Using X16 slot with this GTX 1650 on only a x4 slot?

Thank you.

You can get amd RX 6400, and use x4 slot, as that card uses 4 lanes anyway :)

It's funny for benchmark purposes, no one thought of actually removing the motherboard from the case. Oh well, must have been easier to chop the hell out of the metal.

So I was wondering because what I’ve been told is the black PCI x4 Can only supply 25 W of power. How come this card is working when it’s 75 watts?

Thank you very much!

I don't understand. How do you fit it into the short slot. Do you leave the 16 pins unplugged?

Thanks for a serious, very good and helpful video, because I, recently, purchased an Optiplex 3060 and I'm wordering for a video card upgrade in order to improve its Intel UHD 630 graphics.

@H.EL-Othemany

3 жыл бұрын

Just use a low profile gpu

@larrybreavman4864

3 жыл бұрын

@@H.EL-Othemany Only it fits single slot cards, finally I installed a GT 1030.

@H.EL-Othemany

3 жыл бұрын

@@larrybreavman4864 because they put the Pcie slot on the wrong side. ' it should be on the other side closer to the CPU..

@larrybreavman4864

3 жыл бұрын

@@H.EL-Othemany I know, it happens in Optiplex 30x0 series, next time I'll buy a 70x0 or 50x0. GT 1030 is a good card but I would something better; there's a better one single slot, the Quadro P1000, basically is a GTX 1050 but it's too expensive for its performance (ca. 400 €)

@H.EL-Othemany

3 жыл бұрын

@@larrybreavman4864 I have mine with a gtx 1650 ventus. It's a full size double slot GPU . But I'm running everything out of the case for now. Lol I'm planing on modifying it though

So helpful! Thank you so much! Building something similar soon

@pipsqeak7104

3 жыл бұрын

Would you recommend doing this or getting a pcie riser and leaving the case open at all times?

@ybnhstudiosdesign

3 жыл бұрын

@@pipsqeak7104 Whatever is more convenient for you is what I would say. I didn't use a rise and my card fit and worked fine. If it doesn't bother your to leave it open i guess you can do that. I prolly would advise it in case some with worms in the brian spills pop inside the case

If you touch the power supply will it shock you when it’s on or no since it’s in a metal case

I just want to confirm that you didn't have to upgrade the power supply with the GTX 1650 graphics card and you had no issues with the computer shutting down?

Don't they make extenders so you can extend Pcie to the other slot?

how much power is the PSU ..? is it able to supply the VGA power

@martinadamsson3028

3 жыл бұрын

255 W

Your voice like gaz in cod 4mw

Great video! Thank you!

Great video! I have an Optiplex 5070 SFF and got a LP 1650 GPU. The thing I am not sure of is if the pcie x4 slot can give 75W of power that is needed by the GPU. Can you shed some light here? Thank you

@toomanyfacez

4 ай бұрын

This is a bit late and im not sure if you still need this info but the pcie x4 slot can only supply 25w of power

@pauldomfree

4 ай бұрын

@@toomanyfacez hi and thank for the reply. I can confirm it supplies 75w on the Dell optiplex 5070 with an 1650 tested and a2000.

Hi, i have one question. Can i use the GTX 1650 Super (no low profile) with a dell optiplex 7050 SFF motherboard in a different case with a 750w Power supply?

Have you tried using it on a long gaming session with med-high graphics settings?

@martinadamsson3028

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, works just fine. The temperature of gfx card is around 80°C

Sir is there no problem with on board PSU when inserting and using the the gtx1650GPU?

Are you upgrade for power supply ? it 255W only The 1650 VGA need more 300 W power.

Well.. I finally tested this myself and cannot recommend such a setup. In real life gaming, it stutters a lot, you can feel the GPU is way underpowered and does not perform as it should. The 1650 simply isn't a card for this system.

@johngiam

11 ай бұрын

What's your ram and processor for your test?

@silvanigra

10 ай бұрын

@@johngiam The system I got is a Dell Optiplex SFF with an Intel i7-4770 CPU and 24 GB RAM.

Nice video you encouraged me to move my 1650 on my 7020 on over to the 16xpci slot instead of 4xpci. Question on why you didn't just remove to low profile bracket on your card instead of chopping up the case ?

@MrWhitianga

3 жыл бұрын

Hey good point, ya know that didn't even cross my mind. I'm going to review this card in a 7070 SFF soon. I was going to use a riser card but I'll try removing the bracket first, cheers.

@paulshizzledizzle6180

Жыл бұрын

He had to chop it. There dvi port would have been blocked by metal

Is it just dell cases with this problem or all OEM cases that are unable to utilize the x16 slot for the graphics card?

thank you