Checking price in europe: starts at 1800€ Welp that's another one crossed out

@jeremyphillips3087

Жыл бұрын

Lol europe

@HansenLaMoose

Жыл бұрын

@@jeremyphillips3087 probably one of the better places in the world, tbh.

@jeremyphillips3087

Жыл бұрын

@@HansenLaMoose Yeah, I hear things are great in Ukraine right now. 🤣

@HansenLaMoose

Жыл бұрын

@@jeremyphillips3087 honestly i’d rather be in ukraine than america tbh.

@vqlcano1698

Жыл бұрын

@@jeremyphillips3087 Yeah, I'm sure Ukraine is the entirety of Europe in the same way that Florida is the entirety of the United States.

As a Surface Pro user I have one observation. The kickstand is not attached to the tablet. So you have to attach the keyboard when you want to put your tablet up somewhere. Also for note taking the surface can be leaned a bit with the attached kickstand. I make a lot of use of that attached kickstand. It's a great solution by Microsoft. I wish other manufactures could just use that design.

@geese5170

Жыл бұрын

It might seem great, but moving parts that are thin and flimsy create a lot of issues. It’s great until one day it becomes loose and doesn’t hold place, or eventually breaks. Although I agree the option would be nice, it makes sense why Dell decided against it

@hectorvivis3651

Жыл бұрын

@@geese5170 As someone that used a Surface Pro 4 for 5 or 6 years, the kickstand is still as stiff as the beginning.

@isaiahandersen9269

Жыл бұрын

@@geese5170 I use the surface pro 7 and haven't had any trouble with the kickstand. I have put this laptop through a lot of traveling, and moving around and would say that I change positions on the kickstand at least 10 times a day and have never experienced any issues with stiffness or broken parts.

@DoctorNemmo

Жыл бұрын

@@isaiahandersen9269 It's a great design ! I wish they invented something like it for the iPad.

@nasiridrishi7298

Жыл бұрын

@geese5170 wrong, been using surface pro 4 since 3 years, it’s hinge still feel like the way I first time used it. You must experience before dropping your criticism

And the only thing they didn’t compare side by side is the very same Surface

@kaths_rockxbye5601

Жыл бұрын

prolly will be a whole video

@lilboo07

Жыл бұрын

Yup and I was waiting for why it's better than the surface.

@chs9627

Жыл бұрын

@@lilboo07 It's not, different tools for different applications.

My work actually just got me this as a desktop/portable replacement. I’m a wine and beverage manager for a large country club. I have a dock for my desk, but am able to use it also as a portable POS station, and work wirelessly from the wine cellars and control our inventory and beverage lists on the fly during service from the restaurant. I’ve only had it three weeks or so but I love it already.

I would 100% prefer the headphone jack over that camera...

@qjtvaddict

Жыл бұрын

Cute laughing in Bluetooth

@therealstupidwaffle

Жыл бұрын

@@qjtvaddict maniacal laughing in actually having a headphone jack

@Carnyzzle

Жыл бұрын

​@@qjtvaddictit's a fucking laptop, not a phone, there's no excuse for it to not have a headphone jack

@gamerxvc3055

11 ай бұрын

People that are stuck on 3.5jack is stupid. All the better consumer headsets are Bluetooth now. No one really want to have that stupid jack.

@ViXoZuDo

11 ай бұрын

@@gamerxvc3055 lol... you can't have the same audio quality of my sennheiser HD800 with bluetooth... and I have some top tier bluetooth headphones and no one is even close.

I'll still go with the Surface Pro because the Kickstand is built into the body. This enables you to easily angle the Surface in Tablet mode.

@explodingevo

Жыл бұрын

surface pro is still better

@MarcosParreira525

Жыл бұрын

I'll still go with the Samsung Tab S7...

@incognitobandito244

Жыл бұрын

@Marcos Parreira I'm using my s7 plus from 2 years ago. Don't know why they didn't just do what samsung did and just had the folio magnetised to the back of the tablet.

@dethtour

Жыл бұрын

I've had my surface pro for a few years and still going strong. But I ended up getting a z13. The performance is insane for a tablet. It has a separate cpu and gpu so it does an excellent job at gaming and productivity

@wyw201

Жыл бұрын

@@MarcosParreira525 Does Dex support Windows desktop applications and does Dex’s version of Office support Powerquery?

As somebody who used to main a Surface Pro 4, I immediately see two (Edit: four) major downsides that would prevent me moving to this if I were in the market for a new 2-in-1 (which I'm not right now): 1) While there are several magnets on the back to hold the case, it simply cannot have the range of the Surface Pro's kickstand in that form factor. Also, couldn't hook the not-a-kickstand over my knees while lying on a couch, something I used to do frequently with the Surface! 2) Flat keyboard my beloathed. The thing that made the Surface Pro keyboard not awful was the fact it clipped up to have a decent angle and therefore actual comfortable typing experience. That extra cm off the table really helps it feel like a normal keyboard! Edit: 3) You could actually use the Surface Pro on your lap 😛 Well, I could at least, and did. Most of the time I used it! Edit 2: 4) The movement to open this 2-in-1 and have it set up for typing seems a lot more involved than on the Surface. For the Surface, you open the keyboard lid (as with every laptop) and then just have to flick the kickstand back with the back of your middle fingernail in the little grooves on either side, then you're ready to go. Actually having to stop and adjust the back of the case, both pushing it into the right shape down the bottom and then adjusting the height up the top, is significantly more involved. I'm sure if you swapped between the two as a daily driver for a week or so, these little design decisions would add up. I'm sure the XPS computer part is great, but I do want to give a massive shoutout to the UX team who designed the Surface Pro for so many simple QOL decisions that you don't appreciate until they're suddenly not there! In fact, trying to use my old Surface as Just A Tablet now I have a new laptop, and it's interesting seeing how difficult it is because of _software_ design decisions that seem to have been made with far less care than the hardware. So no, I don't think the XPS has "DESTROYED" the Surface Pro, but it's good to see another serious competitor and I can't wait to see the learnings on a version 2. Little tip Dell: Great designers steal!

@alley8780

Жыл бұрын

Do u reckon the surface pro is good for programming?

@Respectable_Username

Жыл бұрын

@@alley8780 It's fine. Depends on your use case. If you're at Uni/college, it's handy to have the extreme portability plus the pen for those maths courses/anything that requires diagraming. But beware that the heat dissipation is limited and if you're doing anything particularly intense, you can run into problems, though I only encountered this once or twice (mainly in my AI course). Also, Windows ain't the greatest programming OS, and the linux compat isn't amazing. But on the other hand, WSL 2 is getting better all the time. So if you're happy programming within Windows in general, you'll do fine. Overall, I had very few problems using it as my only computer during my CS degree. Moving to full time work, I had a separate work laptop for that, so can't say how it'd perform on a truly meaty codebase. If you like the form factor, there's nothing that I'd particularly say "no avoid this because xyz". The main thing is just those thermals aren't so great if you're pushing it very hard (though maybe they've improved since the 4) and there's no way to open the chassis to dust the fans. Also, if you crack the screen, you need a full replacement computer (ask me how I know, I started with a SP3). And though I might be sounding quite negative here, I've really loved that little laptop and if I could have my time again, I would definitely choose it again. Just wanna be very clear of the tradeoffs that do exist so you can make the decision that's right for you 😊 Oh, also, the pen functionality for being able to sign documents without owning a printer? Makes adulting so much easier!

@user-yj3mf1dk7b

Жыл бұрын

destroyed by price. you can have logitech mx mini and type whatever you want on good keyboard. 40% of price is huge. tabletop - is the issue,but if you accurate it will be possible to use legs as table. anyway, it's just more affordable for massmarket.

The built in mic on the 2-1 is exceptional and the camera is excellent from your video sample. Look like a better buy especially if it's cheaper than the Surface pro.

@wandpapir

Жыл бұрын

Way more expensive

@sapper_12_z16

Жыл бұрын

Surface Pro is much more powerful. Paired with a docking station it rivals many desktops. Really no comparison especially considering Dell's horrible customer service and shady business practices. I tend to steer as far away from Dell as possible.

@Way2go926

Ай бұрын

@@sapper_12_z16but I’ve seen many companies using dell laptops for their office workers lol

It was strange not to have a conversion to kg when you were weighing the notebook, I always thought it was very good that you guys did the conversion for us

@KayvonJavid

Жыл бұрын

It would be nice if us in the US would switch to metric. I hate using imperial here in the US.

@tiago98bastos

Жыл бұрын

Yeah... I think you're not very lucky at this point, but it would be good for the whole world if they changed, it makes more sense.

@Sharp_Stone

Жыл бұрын

If you bring out international video's you should be using scientific units. Like Milimeter, Centimeter, Meter, Grams, & Kilograms. It's outrageous.

@LeandroTravaglia

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. I guess they just forgot this time. Usually they always shows both units.

@khaledm.1476

Жыл бұрын

@@KayvonJavid The US have already dug their graves, as an engineering major so much engineering formulas are built with imperial so they would have to rewrite so much

I recently learned Colton is head of ShortCircuit so thanks for deciding to add the pricing part Colton! Hope you don't get fired! Oh and thanks for greenlighting the Linus body pillow, that shit was hilarious!

@JeremieBPCreation

Жыл бұрын

Not sure where I heard Colton was head of ShortCircuit, I think I misheard a part of Jeff's Extreme Tech Upgrade. Anyway, thanks to whoever decided to add the pricing segment!

@ChaoticAuthority

Жыл бұрын

Previously it was jono, he went to mkbhd Guess it's Colton now

@samdussia

Жыл бұрын

@@ChaoticAuthority Oh really?! Where did you hear that?

I just got the Asus ROG Flow Z13. Absolute beast for the size, has better specs than a similarly specced Surface Pro, has an Nvidia GPU, costs less than both the Surface Pro and the MacBook, oh and it has a headphone jack and USB-A port. You can also expand the storage with a micro SD card, and the hard drive is user upgradable. It's a bit thicker and heavier than the other 2 in 1 devices, but it's WAY more versatile. I'm glad I went with that one.

@scotthayes5386

Жыл бұрын

I love my flow too! It’s such a better deal than the xps or mac, and has such better performance and fearure

@tams805

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but the battery life is dire.

@kimyang5422

Жыл бұрын

I got My Rog flow x13 with egpu 3080,the best for My 3AAA gaming with 3dwork

@ADeeSHUPA

Жыл бұрын

@@kimyang5422 김金 양養

@user-co7mi7zh7z

Жыл бұрын

"and it has a headphone jack"

I have the XPS 13 2 in 1 from 2019 when it was a dual core with passive cooling. I absolutely love the form factor and function of the 360 hinge, this new tablet style just looks cheap in comparison. Now I barely use that laptop because I never got to travel with it due to the pandemic and a dual core machine struggles to update windows or launch Chrome, but it's such a pretty device.

This time the clickbait title actually disappointing, because I really hoped they did something cool with the surface form factor, but this is not actually better then Surface Pro. Just the Surface's hinge alone makes it better then any folio case combo. And Surface 8 has good improvements over previous generations (and still has a headphone jack). (Surface 9 though ditches the jack and just adds 5g and that's it)

@jonevansauthor

Жыл бұрын

The 9 doesn't really have 5G though does it? It's got their own special processor which I'm sure isn't great, and 5G. You don't seem to be able to get 5G and the intel chip for some unknown reason (unless they've done the dirty on the UK which is a possibility I suppose). Plus you did miss the price. The whole price of the Surface 9 package is vastly higher than this. So it might be a better choice for people with less spare cash.

@yokayoksven

Жыл бұрын

@@jonevansauthor I understand the price argument, but "Sufrace but cheaper" wasn't what I was expecting based on the clickbaity title. Also, you don't have to re-buy the pen and the keyboard between Surface generations (most of the time). As for 5G, I actually did know something. Surface 9 comes in 2 versions, Intel (without 5g) and SQ3 (with 5g). SQ3 is a Qualcomm Arm-based chip which has 5g and some AI cores for AI voice isolation and stuff, but it's also Windows on Arm with all downsides that come with it. Most programs do run on it, but everything that has to go through a translation layer runs like crap.

@jonevansauthor

Жыл бұрын

@@yokayoksven yes that's the weird bit about the the 5G. I really don't get why you wouldn't want it as an option on the Intel one too. It seems the wrong way around, given that everyone is excited about Windows on ARM being good one day but I've yet to hear anyone rave about it now. Sorry that you were disappointed that this isn't the same price, but much more powerful somehow. I can see how that would be more exciting for some people. Personally, I've just been hoping for something that's powerful enough for office productivity, has the correct detachable form factor so it can be my tablet as well as my laptop and potentially even serve as my work (not gaming) PC. But... without the enormous price tag. I'm very much looking forward to an LTT Lab future where I can easily compare such things. I know Lenovo and Huawei have a version (or three) atm but it's such a pain trying to work out what''s current and where the flaws are.

I'd love to see comparing them to Thinkpads. The 10th gen Carbon is lighter, more upgradable, with more IO and even cheaper on sale...

@drishalballaney6590

Жыл бұрын

hopefully 11th gen has better cooling

@rafalxyz

Жыл бұрын

X1 carbon feels miles better than the xpses

@jmhm17

Жыл бұрын

@@rafalxyz disagree by a long shot. the keyboard, trackpad, display and frame build of the XPS blows the X1 away all day long. XPS feels way more premium, and a level up in that regard over the X1

@Captain_Cinnamon

10 ай бұрын

I eyeballed the carbon, if its for you - thats great but im personally not a man for that connection system. My sister had hers broke off

Have an 9510 and looked at the dell website while looking at this video. their prices exploded here in germany. the 9520 is five hundred euros more then my 9510. im shocked i have to say.

With only two I/O/Power ports and no post purchase upgrade options for storage and RAM, these are a really tough sells at any price point for me. Bluetooth can take care of headphones, but being capped on storage and RAM from the day it is built, is just really close to a deal breaker.

Great video Alex. Dell is definitely off my list of options if they keep choosing to keep this lack of io port path.

I’ve always loved these laptop reviews just to stay up to date with tech, but I’m finally finding my life has gotten to the point that I NEED a laptop. Thanks for these!!!

@AntonioNoack

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but please check out the HP x360 with over this one... my R7 4700U, 16+512GB, has more IO, a headphone jack, non-soldered storage, is cheaper and otherwise functionally identical... also a 2-in-1, 13" in size

@CricketEngland

Жыл бұрын

I have the XPS 13 Plus (9320) with a core i7, 1TB ssd and 32gb memory and it’s a very good compact machine and does all I need very well and much better than my old 17” HP Spectre x360 Love the fact it automatically starts up when you pull the screen up

@javanmonroe6064

Жыл бұрын

@@CricketEngland oh I’m not looking at anything like this, I just like their laptop content and have always watched it even when I thought laptops were dumb.

Fantastic piece for testing e-gpu use with external dongles etc. What a nice opportunity to test it like that.

as a work laptop sometimes sound with teams is screwey and i need emergency headphone jack access. this would be a no go. Oh well, my other dell has been very good for work. onedrive works for storage. idk why someone would use a 13 incher as their personal laptop. upgraded to 15 inches for work because excel on 13 inches is pure suffering

@Fabio53443

Жыл бұрын

i went from a 13in to a 16in and it's soo much better.... for everything, even just writing word docs or a spreadsheet - or like using a browser while doing either of those things.

@bipbop3121

Жыл бұрын

They spend more time carrying it around, traveling and or in meetings than heavy use (when they do really use it they dock with monitor(s).).

@bar1721

Жыл бұрын

@@Fabio53443 same as going from 22 inch 1080p to 27 inch 4k. Working with many or big documents is always better up to about 27 inches.

@kindlad6087

Жыл бұрын

@@bipbop3121 I travel and walk around a lot with my laptop, 15 inches is not a serious difference for me when it comes to weight and whatnot (for a work, non gamer laptop). Easily mobile. I do dock it at desks. Cheers to usb c it has changed the docking game in a great way. Also-every laptop sleeve space I’ve encountered handles 15 inches. The designers are enlightened too. Down with 13 inchers

@carltonbanks5470

Жыл бұрын

It has a dongle adapter that has DAC that comes with it.

Soldered memory, soldered SSD, barely any I/O. I'd hate it if I got it for free.

@joelconolly5574

Жыл бұрын

@Garrus Vakarian cause having a H series on that would be make it an oven. Go figure.

@CovenantArmada

Жыл бұрын

Soldering the ram REALLY pisses me off on devices

@cameronbosch1213

Жыл бұрын

You hit the nail on the head. If anything, the Surface Pro 9 (Intel version) kills this Dell XPS tablet. If only there was an AMD Surface Pro 10! 😬

@joelconolly5574

Жыл бұрын

@@CovenantArmada like tablets and smartphones?

@strix3055

Жыл бұрын

@@CovenantArmada I agree... But I had to get one with soldered RAM, because the alternative was over 1000€ more expensive.

I can always trust Alex to properly rip ANY laptop apart verbally as much as Steve at GN rips into any Prefab desktop.

I have the XPS 13 Plus (9320) with a core i7, 1TB ssd and 32gb memory and it’s a very good compact machine and does all I need very well and much better than my old 17” HP Spectre x360 Love the fact it automatically starts up when you pull the screen up

Would love to see your take on the Thinkpad T14/16 compared to the XPS, apparently they made their keyboards worse to make it thinner again.

Thank God! Maybe we can finally get rid of the surface pro devices at work! They are awful and we aren't allowed to do repairs on them.

@pieceofshitzu2

Жыл бұрын

I expect dell not to make a sequel to this. Basically every company has made a surface knock off and they all failed

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

Жыл бұрын

Dell allows self repair?

@upsilon1

Жыл бұрын

Dell will let you do repairs on theirs?

@silasmayes7954

Жыл бұрын

@@upsilon1 Yes. For some stuff we can't due to TPM chips like motherboards.

@Caidezes

Жыл бұрын

This isn't any better. In fact, it might be worse.

The omission of a headphone jack would be bearable if wireless headphones worked decently on windows... Despite having windows 11 and 2 bluetooth 5.3 perhipherals (both the laptop and the headphones), I cannot get rid of audio delay... Extremely annoying.

@mihailoaleksic3330

Жыл бұрын

My dad has used wireless headphones on his Windows 7 PC and the delay was so big that he got new wired ones

@amunak_

Жыл бұрын

It's still inexcusable. Like ... why? There's plenty of space, it costs nothing. And I'm pissed about the lack of USB-A, too.

@gqqggq7127

Жыл бұрын

The io is just straight up shit

@BlindMango

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps it’s time for USB-C headphones to become more prevalent

@StellarJay77

Жыл бұрын

@@BlindMango This is the real answer as the DAC would move into the headphones so could be properly tuned for whatever driver setup and acoustic profile fits for that particular headset provided the manufacturer actually knows what they are doing.

The screen ratio of the 2-1 isn't actually that weird. It's pretty close to the ratio of the Din A format. So this was probably chosen to display documents more true to nature. This will help a lot with the pen input.

@LloydDunamis

Жыл бұрын

Agreed 3:2 is not that uncommon; though Alex speaks about the resolution (2880x1920).

How's the thermal throttling on the 2-in-1? One of my biggest complaints about the Surface line was that it throttled heavily which tanked performance.

Hearing this, besides the 6 hour battery 😉, ik so happy with my asus flow z13. Actually usable as laptop , more power than the 13+.. and a headphone jack (but not much more ). Also , that type Cover from Asus is somehow the keyboard i beat my monkey type record with ...

@vivekvs1992

Жыл бұрын

Kinda weird the asus flow series is just ignored in most comparisons... Its possibly one of the best ways for someone who wants to work and game but don't want to keep 2 separate systems for it..

@jorismak

Жыл бұрын

@@vivekvs1992 far from a perfect device... But by far the perfect device for me :). And the pricing is a bit steep , but the boss paid . This 13" laptop/tablet replaced my Ryzen 2700x/gtx1060 desktop machine , since it beats it just in performance (without dlss ). And i can do photo work on it, and i can use it for work... I just need a battery bank when i have to sit 6 hours in a train for a conference

@mcslender2965

Жыл бұрын

@@jorismak Are you considering the ROG external graphics dock? I imagine it would boost your gaming experience even harder

@vivekvs1992

Жыл бұрын

@@jorismak I was telling my brother to get that when he went to college and give me his ancient alienware(gtx980mobile)... Unfortunately it was out of stock and we ended up with an Asus tuf series.. Still pretty good..he can take them for presentations without anyone raising an eyebrow.. And I can push for 1-2 more years on the alienware as a desktop replacement..

@Xfade81

Жыл бұрын

Also 500 dollars more.

14:38 I can see right there that they could easily, easily used M.2 2230 as other devices like the Steam Deck the latest Surface/s etc.

They should have used lights to ilumine the touchpad on the pro, add option to turn off when not in use. It would still look futuristic and sleek while also being more usable!

Every new laptop destroys old laptop.

Personally as someone that uses there 2 in 1, HP Envy x360, I prefer the build of an actual 2 in 1, where I can use it as an actual Laptop, and when I am at school, I can use it as my tablet that i write on. The fact that mine has 2 USB-C, 2 USB-A, a Headphone jack and SD card reader, both i have never used, as well as the HDMI, that i also use occasionally, all just for £780 pounds, so i found this an amazing deal, also, the radeon processor, is also pretty good for some light gaming, such as fortnite at middle to low but nice settings!

@4n0nmann5

Жыл бұрын

same, but the one mistake (maybe?) I made was buying an 15'6 display. This thing really can't be used as a tablet to take notes, it just doesn't fit in my tiny hands.

@sillypig212

Жыл бұрын

I do this as well, I bought the previous year's model so I got mine for around £650. I use the headphone jack to listen to music when studying between classes (cheap wired as a student has got to save when they can! 😂)

@BakrAli10

Жыл бұрын

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On a phone removing the headphone jack to save space isn't great but I can live with it. But on a laptop, it's a deal breaker. Windows/Macos handle wireless headphones A LOT worse then phones do, and on top of that when I'm using a full computer there's a very good chance I'll want to use my studio headphones, maybe I just want an audio out to some speakers, any number of things.

@bosstowndynamics5488

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention that Bluetooth headphones don't switch over very nicely between Windows and Android (or Windows and anything for that matter)

@bosstowndynamics5488

Жыл бұрын

@@passive101 They work fine with Bluetooth *in isolation*, the problem is the instant you want 2 devices to both talk to a set of headphones, because for some reason proper multi target pairing support is still tricky to find in Bluetooth headphones.

@StellarJay77

Жыл бұрын

USB C to 3.5mm is still included and having the DAC external like that and you can litterally use whichever one you want which is typically miles better than any internal DAC included with the audio chip in a laptop.

@bosstowndynamics5488

Жыл бұрын

@@StellarJay77 That tiny dongle makes me think that either the DAC is still internal and they just don't have a separate jack (there's a USB C extension that lets it carry analogue audio signals) in which case the signal routing through the laptop would leave it more prone to interference than a dedicated jack, or that it's going to be worse than a modern integrated DAC, since it's way too small to have the same kind of hardware as a high end dedicated DAC.

I wish LTT also made reviews with developers in mind, every developer I know is always thinking about buying a new laptop :D

I recently bought an ASUS zenbook pro 14 duo OLED for 1840 euros. Every single laptop showcase on shortcircuit of laptops from the same price category have made me feel really good about my purchasing decision. It honestly baffles me how little you get for such exorbitant amounts of money.

6:05 metric measurements too, shortcircuit! metric measurements too! XPS 13: 1.169 kg XPS 13 Plus: 1.266 kg XPS 13 2-in-1: 1.315 kg

I'm dying to see Alex try the Yoga7 gen7. Especially with an eGPU

Just bought a sky XPS 13 with the core i7, 16gb ram and 512gb of storage (with the non touch display) and it’s great so far. I bought it on sale at JB HI FI here in Australia where it was $480 off, but I managed to negotiate $30 off for a $510 discount off of full price (RRP $2399 aud, I paid $1890 aud) which is a huge saving

I wish we can have thin and light devices like the XPS but using amd apus, they would actually be able to game. Especially the new phoenix range apus with zen 4 and rdna 3 those would be amazing especially when compared to these current devices

I thought you switched to metric? 🤔

Why are you not using metric measurements (for weights)? If you're gonna use one. Use the one that's widely accepted. Or show both. How hard is it?

@jkr9594

Жыл бұрын

YES.

@xqcLoL.

3 ай бұрын

just as hard as you just searching it up on Google 🤣

XPS 13 2-in-1 is a pretty cool and affordable(by comparison, not that it has a great value for money) hybrid. That is actually surprising.

Thanks for the great sense of humor and touching the important specs on the Dell and Surface pro - very interesting and informative and you happened to be funny twice.

6:05 where did the Kilogram measurements go? Thats a step backwards :(

It's great to see more 3rd party's doing a kind of Surface of device but with their own engineering to them. I still think the surface kickstand is one to beat but Lonovo, Dell and HP all have some nice alternatives on the market.

you should really consider check out Lenovo Duet series, not the Chromebook one but the 12th gen intel

Nice Video but I wished Lenovo and Acer had been included. It reminds me of the Thinkpad L13/X13 or Yoga, as like as Acer Spin and Swift. Don't know how they do now, but 2 years ago they did very well. Also Lenovo has often covered many ports and/or docking stations with even more. I use Lenovo since I studied and some buddy of mine (around 200 kg) sat on his T60 by mistake which was curved after this and we sure thought the display was broken. But after hours it got its form back slowly and the next day we could open it and it worked well. My Flex14-2 works fine since 2016, my X220t has issues but had also to survive many construction sites, natural environments and me. And the last one, most can not stand very long. I'm not easy going on these devices. Not on the software side of things nor the hardware. Coke/Coffee on keyboards, throwing them in the backpack like they are, using solar to charge, change the OS every now and than, making backups from whole laptops, using them as servers and the list goes on and on and on. Acers can't survive me myself, but most people I know. They'd been superior to Lenovo in displays and graphics mostly. I may sound like a Lenovo fan and obviously I'm by now. But Dell had devices which could stand me to some years ago. And many manufactures don't can survive outdoors. Most can't even survive indoors if you have kids, cats or alikes. And why the hell is the camera so important? I know since Covid everybody had intruduced itself to working from home and video calls, but does the prof/boss/... really need to know the correct color of your pyjama? Not sure about that one. I think than graphics would be important too to as many people. Or should I say how many of the popular games from the last 2 years can be played on these? And what about wireless? If I haven't the ports I should use mouse, phone and such via these. And has the pen different pressure levels? So again: Nice video, but space for improvement. ;-)

Previous 2in1 was objectively better. More screen angles, better processor, better ports and placements.

No conversions from lbs to grams? I thought you were better than this

great video. thanks for this alex for breaking it down

"its a very slightly larger laptop" good job man

My surface 8 has a audio jack and integrated kickstand. I feel that the surface 8 is a better deal overall.

It is so annoying that less gadgets have headphone jacks now I can kind of understand on a phone but not large tablets or laptops

@amunak_

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Clearly there isn't enough space and it can't be waterproofed! /s I'm actually pissed it doesn't have USB-A ports either. Like, there's no reason to not have those (and the jack and maybe an SD card reader). I'd otherwise be probably buying it.

14:10 I have a 2018 XPS 13 9370 and it plays Minecraft fine at low settings. Being able to play Minecraft is a valid perk but it can be down with older higher end notebooks.

I'm using an Asus Zenbook flip 13 OLED for about half a year, and it don't have headphone jack as well. But for the last 2 years i'm using wireless headsets and headphones on the go. But when i'm at home, I have a thunderbolt dock with ethernet and jack, so it's not that bat of a situation.

Presumably the dual usb c arrangement on the 2 in 1 is for the macbook air style dongle hubs? Also how strange does the phrase dongle hub sound?

@Zantrop64

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"dongle hub" sounds like just acceptance that the free market can't bring nice things to the table 😭

@Baggytrousers27

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Sounds about right. Would rather have something included, and not need it, than need it, and not have it.

You guys forgot to censor the address with the XPS 13 at the beginning (0:17)

@pieceofshitzu2

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Linus personally moons every trespasser on LTT HQ. I believe the tally of deaths is over 100.

It'd be nice to see these reviews show how well it does software engineering tasks like run a VM and docker. See how well the cooling works under load, how loud are the fans. I don't think this is a common thing people look for but personally I find the 2 in 1s very interesting because I don't want a laptop keyboard. I have a 40% keyboard I love and don't want to use anything else. Thanks for the review LTT.

@FlyboyHelosim

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Depends what you mean by "run a VM". There's too many variables there to be able to just give a definitive answer. You can run VMs on 10+ year old laptops, so this thing shouldn't present too much trouble so long as you don't go trying to virtualize resource-heavy tasks on resource-heavy guest operating systems.

@anthonytyler025

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@@FlyboyHelosim tbh it doesn't matter that much. My point was just that I'd like to see a somewhat demanding software engineering task be done. At the very least a fan noise comparison would be nice. 🤷‍♂

@FlyboyHelosim

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@@anthonytyler025 Well these laptops aren't really meant for software engineering anyway. The XPS line was always a home multimedia one, only more recently has it become a semi-business line. For software engineering you'd be looking at the Precision line.

@mkteku

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I love using a separate mechanical keyboard with my Surface Pro too. Just dig the look and feel of the setup.

Good luck finding a protective case for the Dell.

When you guys preview a 2 in 1 other other laptops with a pen, I'd love to get some artists impressions on the quality of the pen!

@AmstradExin

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Tho 50 days of charge is actually not good at all. My Chinese crowdfunded tablet uses XP Pen pens that use regular AA Batteries and one lasts me over a year with drawing 2 days a week and the ones using Wacom technology don't need to be charged. Pens that need their own power source have been hit and miss larely. The HP Pen technology has been really bad but the iPad pro pen is really good. You can't really show it on youtube, you have to go to some kind of Best Buy and try it yourself.

The second I saw that it was a Dell XPS in my notifications, I knew Alex would be the one covering it.

could we get a comparison video on screen types of different tablet/laptop/2-in-1 devices and how they "feel" for notetaking

One thing I’m curious about the 2in1, or surface pro is, can they install programs off of internet browsers like a normal computer running windows? Or does it require special applications from app stores like iOS or google play? Want a tablet that can run blender since none of the good design apps I’ve come across on iOS are free or one time purchases. There’s some free options available but they all have certain key features missing. Also for the potential to be used as a laptop like what was tried around 8:05, dell could pretty simply design a different keyboard that supports the screen.

15:20 you could still compare it to the M1 Air with 16GB RAM which is in that price range and is still an exceptional laptop, the M1 is also still a bit faster than the i5 1230U (at least according to the benchmarks I found). The only issue is the dated design of the M1 Air.

@BH4x0r

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well the design isn't the only issue, Mac is another one of 'em, especially when you're not in the Apple ecosystem either way and most programs you use often don't exist on Mac and you've always used Windows or Linux it makes very little sense to buy something with Mac.

@mkteku

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A great design is a timeless design. So how is that an "issue"?!

@mkteku

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@@BH4x0r I got a Mac after using only Windows. Most apps are available on the Mac too, I found, and for those that are not, there's great alternatives. (And I have and Android phone, so no ecosystem for me.) Also have a Surface Pro. I cobble together my own ecosystem and I love it.

@Lumilicious

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@@mkteku The ginormous bezels on the old Macbooks are extremely dated by todays standards and by no means timeless... this is even more apparent when you have both a new MBA/Pro and the old one and see them side by side. It's kinda like putting the 2018 MBA besides the 2016 MBA... you know, the 2016 which had the humongous white bezels.

@BH4x0r

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@@mkteku Mac is nowhere near as broken/locked as iOS is, you can actually easily transfer stuff between Mac and Android, but iOS and Windows or Linux is a living nightmare, i'm pretty sure thats almost intentional to get people to buy everything Apple after they paid way too much on their iPhone and iPad i still don't like Mac personally but it's decent enough, especially compared to the mobile counterparts I don't like cloud based file transfer, so i would need to install iTunes to move files, and if you'll ever want your contacts to move to Android for example you'll have to log in on iCloud and download them manually via the website, ánd with Android devices you can generally just connect one to another via usb to transfer all apps, photo's, contacts and stuff much easier

I wish you could get an attachable keyboard for the 2in1 that it slots into, containing a bigger battery, which effectively turns it into an actual LAPtop.

@nolanplaysyt2976

Жыл бұрын

Surface Book before it got discontinued

Was looking to replace my older HP Envy, but no 3,5mm is a dealbreaker, AND in adition to that there is just not enough ports. Like, if you are charging you got like one port before you end up in dongle hell. I am far enough into dongle hell as it is. If only there was an higher speced variant similar to the Envy that have a 16;10 screen.

I really enjoy those quick look at those different laptop .

Good job LTT! Keep up the great work! I love your videos, the dell xps has always been a laptop on my wishlist!

Also the 2-in-1 is the perfect quiet option since it's fanless! Perfect choice for auto booths! 😎

Does the 2 in 1 allow you to put the tablet in portrait mode and magnetically stick to the keyboard dock to allow for tilting it back?

The XPS 13 Plus comes with a 1920 x 1200 screen too. You don't have to get the UHD screen that drains the battery.

should have rolled credits as soon as alex revealed the headphone jack dongle

they removed the headphone jack on a laptop???

@1:21 you didn't blur the shipping label. I think earlier you did though. Just a heads up if you didn't know.

I had the same speaker issue with the 2-in-1, an audio driver reset fixed the issue and it's much louder and clear now(ipad level).

I am literally just looking at one on their website for $1449 with i7-1250U, 16gb ram, and folio + pen 😭😭 Perfect timing Might be my next laptop cuz I really want a good 2-in-1 but Surface sucks (overpriced and underspecced) and any other use either ARM or the latest level cpu possible

@lonelyone69

Жыл бұрын

I got the huawei matebook e i5 for £600 maybe look at that

@dip1697

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@@lonelyone69 I live in the US :(

@lonelyone69

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@@dip1697 f

@Vegatablez

Жыл бұрын

Maybe look at the rog flow or wait until the new lenovo yoga with ryzen 6000 comes to the US

@dip1697

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@@Vegatablez the Yoga's aren't 2-in-1 tho right? Already have a 360 hinge laptop

I must have seen another video because I fail to see where it "destroys" the Surface Pro... Just like with the Surface Pro 9, it doesn't have any headphone jack... I'd stick with the Surface Pro 8! The kickstand of a Surface Pro is amazing! I use it a lot without the keyboard attached. The angle is not only wider but also more smooth. And I've simply never liked magnetic stands. I own four Asus portable monitors and although three of them supports the fancy kickstand (and other compatible mounts) I only have one of those and the magnetic stands are just horrible. The Surface Pro 9 even have a better CPU 1255U vs 1250U for the i7 versions and 1235U vs 1230U for the i5 versions. They both have a 3:2 screen @ 2880 X 1920 but the Surface Pro 9 is 120 Hz while the XPS 2-in-1 is 60 Hz... If price is a concern and you can get the XPS cheaper, then do that. But you're comparing apples to oranges. I had to dislike this video because I'm tired of clickbait. I really though Dell had made something impressive, but it's nothing but a Surface clone. It's fine, but not really destroying anything!

I was sitting on my porch watching this and at the moment of the segue a large pickup drove past and revved its engine, I was very confused and for a moment impressed by my phone's speakers when he told the truck to shut up.

I wonder how durable the XPS hinges are? I have seen the hinge mounts break away from the backcover.

No 3.5mm socket (get f-ed Dell). Not Wacom EMR. That stand is not going to be fun, but will do (I use a Samsung with a similar way to prop it up - it's okay at best).

I would say, if you're going to go with the "only two USB c port" route" at least it's on on each side unlike MACs where both are on the same side

@heroninja1125

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oddly enough, macs have gotten better IO now. Latest MBA has a magsafe charging port, 2 thunderbolt 4/usb4 ports, and a headphone jack. so it wins by a headphone jack, still not great IO though.

Nice video. Odd that you would want a 3.5mm jack built in. If you are an normal user, then use Bluetooth. If you are an audiophile than use a plug-in Digital to Analog converter, like the Audio Engine D1.

Still rocking a Latitude E7470 for work. has all the ports that I need, even a ethernet jack

Anything where the kickstand is not part of the tablet isn't a full Surface Pro contender for me. A major use case for me is only tablet with pen, and using the tablet at a very high angle. Feels like you're on an angled writing desk, and is the most comfy thing ever in meetings and lectures to write on.

WTF is this port selection?! My flippin' tablet has more IO than both computers combined! (I have a Dell Latitude 5175 from 7 years ago.) I have USB-C, USB-A, 3.5mm jack, SD slot, SIM slot (LTE baby), and a reaplaceable NVMe 2280 inside while the tablet is opening from the back! I was about to find my new tablet for the last 2 years. Basic expectations: USB-A, Jack, replaceable storage and back entry. Every time a new tablet gets introduced I get more and more attached to my Skylake-4GB latitude. Disappointing. Edit: Yeah, 10.1" 10h battery (when new) and extended battery (double the runtime) in one of the 2 keyboard options.

@kyhlnuar

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Same opinion here.

@IIISentorIII

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You safe production money and make more profit you Facebook /Fortnite generation sheep.

@szalaigabor1714

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@@IIISentorIII Considering it's a business class device (Latitude) profit should never be the number one consideration. Make it more expensive I don't care. Just make it good.

Can you do a lap tablet shoot out, like I pad pro vs xps 2-1 vs surface pro and so on

Watching this on my Samsung Galaxy Tab S8 Plus 12.4 Screen with the detachable keyboard and Stylus that I got for a discount Price ! Nicely Relaxed Watching this.

Whenever you have a tablet, could you please bring in someone from your creative team that uses an Ipad pro and pencil to test the tablet and stylus?

I’d be more interested if they started putting ARM processors in these kinds of machines, I really do prefer battery life and cooler temperatures over x86 compatibility

@kenzieduckmoo

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they cant until the stupid qualcom idiocy expires

@LetrixAR

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@@kenzieduckmoo and Windows for ARM gets better

@WackyFolf

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@@LetrixAR I have an ARM Windows laptop, honestly it’s not terrible and if you didn’t tell me a Qualcomm processor was in it and made me use it, I wouldn’t notice until I tried to install a program

@mcslender2965

Жыл бұрын

The 5g version of latest Surface pro should interest you. Although performance is still mid thanks to QUALCOMM

@milesfarber

Жыл бұрын

Then why not get an android tablet? You don't care about software compatibility anyway.

Man, great review enjoyed it a lot! Thanks man!

after a couple of years the hinge on both mine and my brothers xps 15 broke on one side. So it would push open the bottom plate when i opened or closed the lid, also dislodging the power slot

The stylus looks pretty similar to samsung's s-pen

@scio7838

Жыл бұрын

Not really, the s-pen is a lot thinner and it also uses much better tech for the tracking

@AmstradExin

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@@scio7838 Depends on the generation. The old ISD pens were interchangable with slates, usb monitors and the old Surface. They also didn't need to be charged.

Spazzes out. I don’t think people say that anymore, sorry 😬

I've had the 9315 XPS 13 since June. Its a little underpowered but other than that l, love it.

In the USA, I paid $1099 + $220 for SP9 i5 16/256 and Signature keyboard with pen by purchasing it at Costco and having Bestbuy Price match amazon for the keyboard/pen. So far I love this thing. And the price wasn't too bad. Plus Costco includes an additional year of warranty.

Because Windows standby is still a problem (I'm asuming), maybe you could disable the P-Cores and only let the E-cores be enabled.

Too much unnecessary talks rather than reviewing the product.

I have an older Dell XPS 13. It has a phone jack but I prefer the DAC as an audio output because of superior audio quality.

BUT, does the trackpad support momentum/inertia/trackball mode? ability to throw the cursor is really nice.