So use the red gedore until you can buy the blue ratchet

Dell, I really enjoy viewing your videos for two reasons. 1) they are about motorcycles, 2) you are a master communicator. Please keep them coming. Be always well.

@Moonfleet41

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words Peter.

I bought a tiny Gedore red ratchet bitset from Lidl when they had them in. Been a lifesaver at work and does everything a treat. Even tightened Bosch ebike motor mounts with it using a pipe as extension. No damage yet.

Proxxon also do good rachet sets btw. I think the advantage of some cheaper tool kits is that things like driver bit attachments are something you think to replace, often people will wear ph2 or hex driver bits until theyre round instead of buying a new bit. Having a more affordable kit means people are willing to replace consumable parts more regularly.

The red set sure would look good in my garage! 😃 145 usd from Amazon, now you've got me thinking!

@Moonfleet41

4 жыл бұрын

Ive had mine for a while now, and can guarantee you won't be disappointing.. ! have a good evening Harold, and take care.. D&Px

I have the red kit and its awesome! There is only one weird thing about this set: the 16 mm and 21 mm sparkplug sockets are 1/2 and the 18 mm is 3/8. I needed the 16 mm 3/8 for my torgue wrech so I bought that one extra. But you get a lot of bang for your buck for this set!

@borninjerusalem1969

Жыл бұрын

I have it to and i am happy with it... it's quality and an Allrounder 👌

i still have my Halfords 1/2" drive socket set that I bought about 43 years ago. They have had some brutal use. I'm hoping that something will break so I can see if they will honour the "Lifetime guarantee". To be fair I have bought a few new ratchet drives since then, and I mostly use 3/8" these days.

@darrendesmond5395

3 жыл бұрын

Tom Powell same here, although I bought mine about 31 years ago. Mega tools back then.

36 years after starting my apprenticeship I still buy at least 1 tool a week . Today I ordered a stainless steel spade . Not much use on the bandit but I've got a load of sleepers to set and the fence bloke knicked my old one ! 👍🏻☮❤

@Moonfleet41

4 жыл бұрын

That is awesome!... what kind of weirdo steals a shovel?! ;-/

@springy-2112

3 жыл бұрын

@@NewWorldHoarder yep ! bloody thief ! 👍🏻☮❤

@katlegomohlala5545

2 жыл бұрын

I too buy a tool every week or laybuy it if it upsets my balance. I prefer mastercraft as its cheaper than gedore red and comes with lifetime warrantym

Back in the day when I was on construction sites installing electrical services, I had the cheapest crappiest tools for the job you could find. First reason, it was all I could afford :-) Apprentices didn't get paid much. Second was, if it was stolen, lost or a one way boomerang loan to someone it wasn't a huge expense to replace. What I did find most valuable though, is you didn't thrash your cheap bit of kit, because it would break. As such I guess you could say that with crappy gear, you (well I did) got a 'feel' for the load being exerted. That means a lot when tightening things up, or getting something sticky un done. Certainly helped me look beyond the tool, and more to the task at hand. Cheers Pete'.

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Pete, That's a great philosophy right there, specially the "working around the deficiencies of budget tools".. that will give you a sympathy for the work itself and teach you to take care... and i like the term "one way Boomerang loan"... never heard it put that way before... it seems ive been doing that for many years.. lol (hang on, isn't a one way boomerang called a stick..!? sorry, getting my coat)

@rafaelmoral8053

Жыл бұрын

Never seen cheap tools this way for starters. Very much true for me. Thanks for sharing and greetings from Brazil. PS: In this neck of the woods, a Gedore blue socket set like that costs (converting coins) around a grand. Eye watering expensive.

I have a 40 year old 1/2 drive Gedore,built like a tank,It has a function I have never seen on any other brand,,Put the selector lever in the middle and it becomes a breaker bar,rock solid,the amount of times I was under a truck trying to undo a siezed nut I would put a cheater pipe over the handle and it would do the job,,Gedore the very best tools you can buy along with Swedish brand Bahco.

@alatomalbeth3947

Ай бұрын

+Stahlwille😊

I've got a Gedore socket set that was my dads. Must be around 50-60 years old and still working great.

I bought this GEDORE RED Qty (172) Tool Set and I love it my friend. The tools and case are great quality. I love it!!! Next I will try to buy some GEDORE Blue Tools soon. Thank you so very much for helping me out and letting me know about this Awesome tool set. You are Awesome to my friend. GOD be with you always and bless you always. 😆😆😆😆😆

Buy the Red and replace the bits that wear out with the Blue version. That is basically what I tell the guys starting out in my trade. Buy a complete kit and replace it with better quality as needed.

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

I can't fault that, sounds like the best policy by far!

Great review! I have the Red kit and as a 'Brand conscious amateur' I am very happy and satisfied with that kit.

Excellent review, it s not easy to get the notion of quality across in a review like that where ppl can t experience it themselves but you did it! I think Gedore did a gj with their brand differentiation, introducing the red line giving amateurs an "easier to swallow" entry point into the brand... Wera or others neglect the market for ppl looking for a good yet still affordable entry into the world of DIY. I think many ppl turn their backs on DIY coz either the entry level point seems too high money-wise or it simply hasnt been fun doing your first steps when the tools at hand are a nuisance to get anything done with- cheap nasty stuff can quickly harm the enjoyment of doing one s first steps. So with the more affordable line up that still keeps essential qualities or offers a good package (like a more complete set for ppl starting out), you create future customers for the more premium stuff (even newbies can quickly tell the difference between decent and lovely) instead of ppl that turn their backs to all of it or go like "oh it s all crap either way". I m at a point where I m just getting started, having found the courage to do little jobs at the car and I already want the blue line or look at other premium manufacturers but I m fully aware, it s too early to justify going big whilst I even lack most basics...and it d simply be too expensive at this stage. So I found the Gedore Red kit...a brand I didn t even know about before and already loving their approach. Think I might end up with the very Gedore Red kit that brought me here and if my next car related DIY makes me as happy as the last ones, bah I guess the way you suggested was looking at a ratchet of their blue line...or sth else where I see benefits for the upcoming tasks. No matter what, thank you for this comparison!

Thanks Del, watch the video a couple of times, read through the comments, bought the red socket set! Cheers😉👍🏻

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoy it mate!

still love the sound of an old school 1980s snap on ratchet. I've never found that sound since.

@Moonfleet41

4 жыл бұрын

Well actually.. i have to agree with you.. i do love my old ratchet.. something satisfying about a 32 tooth gear..!

@nigelunsworth5512

4 жыл бұрын

@@Moonfleet41 I still use my 3/8 dr snap on quick release ratchet on a daily basis that I treated my self to as a young apprentice back in 1978. its had a few mechanisms replaced under warranty over the years and the chrome is all worn away, but it still fits in my hand well. I often tease the other techs where I work as a lot of my tools are older than them. {and their parents in some cases}

@chopperguy6661

3 жыл бұрын

nigel Unsworth same here it pays to buy quality they last many lifetimes

Bought a 1/2 inch drive RAC set from Argos bout 20 yrs ago. That ratchet is a monster n I recently counted the teeth coz I was tempted to "upgrade" to Halfords Advanced. 72 teeth. Man Ive swung on that thing over the years, not every day but DIY n its never missed a beat. Only thing that broke in the whole set was a ratchet screw driver pretty early on thena 17 mm socket cracked on a new to me Vectras wheel nut in 2016. Gedore ? Ya can have it mate.

Outstanding video - because You go into the really relevant details AND You got all your facts 100% right - rare these days on YT / the internet. May I add that the shape of the GEDORE ratchet's head is also much slimmer (pear-shaped) than the cheaper version and the overall ratchet weight is low for the larger than normal size.

@Moonfleet41

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your kind words, am glad you approve!

Del, you are spot on regarding stating that the 3/8 is the most popular drive for use on motorcycles. I have been doing my own maintenance since I started biking in 1974 (Yamaha FS1E) and very rarely I have needed a 1/2 drive ratchet. I do appreciate quality tools and because I work for Rolls-Royce I can purchase Snap-on stuff at a discounted rate. I opted for the 3/8 FOD version of the ratchet as I use this at work. The FOD stands for Foreign Object Damage, this means the if the gear mechanism in the ratchet head fails then the ratchet retains all the pieces. This type costs more to manufacture, but the cost of a full jet engine strip to retrieve parts of a failed ratchet far out way the additional cost. I have used Bergen tools and find them very good for the price, although I was disappointed that you cannot buy a repair kit if the ratchet mechanism fails. I also own a Rolex Datejust watch as well as Snap-on tools, does this make me a watch and tool snob??

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Michael, good to hear from you... I have to agree with you, if you can afford to buy the best equipment, then it always pays you back in the long run, and I guess that goes for a watch too, that's the kind of watch you can own for a lifetime and pass on. Thank you for your input, it's good to hear from you Sir, all the best, Del

I have the red kit, as its all in one place, I actually got rid of my origonal Gedore sockets I have had since I was a chimp at the bus depot. We were supplied all Gedore on day one, and a few got lost over the years and I couln't make a full kit so I got rid, tidied the box up with the red kit, only issue I can see is that you might need the multi point option the odd time

I guess that buying a "brand name" should give you some confidence in the quality but it just goes to show that even quality manufacturers cut corners when out sourcing their build. I would probably buy the red as a starter kit for a youngster learning to use tools but upgrade to the blue for more professional or prolonged use. Thanks for the insight.

@Moonfleet41

4 жыл бұрын

I think if you actually saw up close and handled the red tools, you may think again.. there are certainly no corners cut in the quality as far as i can see, and ive been using mine for enough time now to know they are good....there is always 'better' out there obviously.. but i guess it just depends on how much work you put your tools through...

I just moved here to Europe from the usa. I broke more snaps on tools then cheap ones. No wonder the tool man will give you two for one on a trade in on old snap on tools. Meaning 70s 80s early 90s tools. 🤣🤣 I went with sonic. Now looking for a cheap kit to keep in the vehicle. Thanks for the great video.

Gedore Red: "we pass on our slavings to you"

Alot of us in the uk have the Halfords comprehensive set. With a lifetime guarantee you cant go far wrong. Ive had em for years and theyve been absolutely spot on. Im not a mechanic but for the diy occasional use theyre fantastic. Think i paid £150 for a 300 piece set.

@hartley383

4 жыл бұрын

Couldnt agree more Luke, i work on the tools and most of us use Halfords professional, occaisionally something will break, pop into Halfords and walk out with a new tool. Or you can pay the earth for Snap-on, when it breaks argue the toss with the Snap-On man when he turns up once a fortnight. The 300 piece set is the one i always recommend as a starting point.

@BungleBare

3 жыл бұрын

Halfords socket sets and spanners are rumoured to be largely Gearwrench’s Signet brand tools re-badged. Nowt wrong with that - both brands have a good reputation from what I’ve heard. Gearwrench in particular are being recommended by many a US mechanic in KZread videos.

Thanks for the video. I think the cheaper kits have their place, and I will likely buy the red kit to stow in my car for longer trips. I may replace one or two key components with a proper Gedore or Hazet part, but most things in this kit will not be used often.

Grandpa left me Gedore and a few other tools from Remscheid. He bought it 65 years ago. Still working. Still use it. The Germans know to make great tools.

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, and isn't it wonderful to inherit old vintage tools, they have a soul all of their own, not to mention the memories and the sentimental value.

Would have been interesting to see the internal mechanisms of the ratchets. I noticed that they have different patterns on where the assembly screws are mounted. I strongly suspect that the ratchet design is more different than just the tooth count. Thanks for the vid.

Never heard of Gedore, thanks. I bought my 3/8 drive Kamasa set for £15.00 Around early 70's. Still great today.

@katlegomohlala5545

2 жыл бұрын

🤪 here in south Africa its the premium brand

@tonygriffiths2485

2 жыл бұрын

@@katlegomohlala5545 The quality speaks for itself. After nearly 50 years they are still as beautiful as when they were new. The ratchet sounds like new ! Tried to tick the thumbs up but it won't take it. I may have exagerated the price as well, can't remember exactly. Cheers :)

Woulda loved to seen the inside finish on the sockets or mechanism inside those ratchets, just to see the differences in manufacturing/mechanism design and materials to get a more in depth idea of the differences instead of the externals and feel. Got a full facom socket set(1/4 and 1/2), and compared the insides to some cheapo's and even after 10 years of active use the facom insides are looking nicer than any cheap "mickymouse" (loved that one btw!) ones ive opend up! Tools are an investment for life, buy once cry once :)

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Facom tools have come on leaps and bounds in the last 10 years, proper front row stuff now... but TBH i really didn't feel that there would be much gained from opening up and dismantling the ratchets.. you can feel by hand, immediately, that they are a lot better, smooth and solid, not hollow and rattly like the red one... i think the real test will be in use over the years to come.. !

@jesusestrada5543

Жыл бұрын

The Gedore Red socket wrenches use the swing-pawl mechanism, whereas the standard (Blue) Gedore uses a batwing-pawl mechanism.

Very good explanation, agree the Gedore blue hatchet has that satisfying handfeel. Despite having less teeth.

German company but we produce most of the range in South Africa , mostly the Blue Range.

Thanks for the vid. I’ve been seeing Gedore Red here in the states and didn’t know what to think. For the price I think I’ll give them a go.

Hmmm, sort of fed up with advertising!

@robertkvasnika5852

3 жыл бұрын

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@natebath5522

Жыл бұрын

Don't watch the video then

Just setting a scene - sat outside in 30 degree heat looking out over my lovely garden - BBQ turning a nice shade of grey almost ready for the beef brochettes - cold one on the go with another to follow. What could make my evening complete i say? It's Tuesday and another Del video! (the Mrs. groans LOL) Looking forward to this although slightly disapointed no work on the bikes, BUT there's always Friday to look forward to.

@Moonfleet41

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds absolutely idyllic mate....if i had a BBQ id do the same..(and a garden for that matter ).. but i got a beer, so Cheers, and enjoy..

Hi Del & Penny, in this 'puter driven world of lists for everything, do any of the tool makers or dealers compile 'kits' of hand tools specific to known makes & model of bike? eg. 'Fed up fiddling with metric multis & bought a new Sportster, what will I need? Ans. Imperial equiv. sockets & spanners X,Y & Z, & a six foot cracking bar (joking: 5' is fine). Easier to top up your own 'kit' too, if you already know what you'll need to reach some (parentless part), let alone undo it. Comprehensive kits are lovely to look at & comforting to have around, but how many will remain unused on YOUR bike? (Before anyone asks - No, I don't want to sit down & 'work it all out' either, but someone 'useful' might!) Have fun : ) x

@TassieLorenzo

Жыл бұрын

Lod dude, Japanese bikes will generally use JIS (Japanese Industrials Standards) cross-head #1 & #2 (modern DIN-standard Philips head screwdrivers will work but beware of older Philips screwdrivers as they don't fit properly) as well as the JIS bolt sizes: 8,10,12,14,17,19 (3/4"),22mm. You might find the odd Torx on there or the odd 11mm, 13mm or 15mm on European parts, like say a Brembo calliper.

It should come with 3x10mm sockets cause we all loose the 10mm into the 3rd dimension at some point,I've been umming and ahhhing about getting a set since you shown the red a few years back

@Moonfleet41

4 жыл бұрын

Thankfully the red set does have 3 x10mm sockets (one in each drive size)... but TBH, i started buying them by the gross a long time ago..lol ! if you do get the red set, you won't be disappointed mate..

When I start buying/collecting tools in the mid 70's, Gedore tools were my like of tools and the best tools till today according to my opinion, just superior craftsmen ship. There were no Gedore Red tools in that days, only the blue. + - 50 years later, I am still using that same tools, still mint condition and still buying them. They are just manufactures to perfection. I will not buy any other tool than Gedore (Blue), absolutely the best. Look after your tools (Gedore) and they will last forever just as Gedore promise a lifetime guarantee / warranty.

I know exactly what you mean about the ratchet, I love the sound and feel of a good quality one so would have to be the blue one that I couldn't afford! Used to always get Britool stuff but they have gone now but if you're looking for affordable quality I have found Bahco to be worth a look. Treated my son to one of their socket sets and was quite impressed

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy, that's the second time I've heard good things about Bahco, and my word, that's a blast from the past, bring back Britool and King Dick aye... happy days!

@TheCuriousBunny

3 жыл бұрын

@@Moonfleet41 king dick haven't gone anywhere buddy

@TheMickvee

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheCuriousBunny King Dick are still going strong! Just bought a 17mm combo spanner, and it is gorgeous! You definitely get what you pay for.

72 or more teeth ratchets are plenty strong, even on cheaper models. The square itself will be the failure point 9/10. Especially on the quick release models you have there, where the square is drilled to house the pin and ball.

@Moonfleet41

4 жыл бұрын

I have wondered that about the drilled boss itself.. but i guess you shouldn't be hauling on a ratchet hard enough to break that.. time for a solid breaker bar aye.

@TomClark1995

4 жыл бұрын

@@Moonfleet41 Absolutely, with the handle length of most ratchets you'd have to be mighty strong to snap that square off anyway. Just get the right tool for the job

Alright Del, before I was made redundant from Speedy Hire some years ago I had built up a fair size Teng set from thr tool suppliers... As soon as they started shutting down depots I brought in all my cheep shite from home and swapped it with the Teng tools. Sockets, spanners, allen key sets , screw drivers, the absolute works 😂 and the best thing was the manager said to me on my last day "don't forget to take your tools home with you Gaz... 😂 😂

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

Haha result, it was the same when I left the bus industry as a fitter, they were more than happy for me to take all my Gedore tools home!

@garethburningham9467

3 жыл бұрын

I've been in the bus industry for the past ten years now, as a driver not a fitter.. I think they might notice if I pinched one of there deckers 😂

So... It sounds to me like the Red line is kinda the "pro-sumer" grade. Kind of a "both and neither" Good enough that pros could use it, but cheap enough that DIYers could afford it. Another excellent vid, brother. Hope Penny and yourself are doing well, as always. Shiny side up!

@Moonfleet41

4 жыл бұрын

That's perfectly put brother, couldn't describe it better myself... shiney side up indeed, have a great week brother.

Halford Advance has always treated me well in the trade inviroment apart of the plastic case

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

yeah me too, i have some Halfords Professional too, and i always throw the cheap packaging away and lay them out in my tool draw..

Finally somebody did it. Thank you very much!!

Great comparison review Del! I bought the same red set on your recommendation and am happy with it. I would like better but can't afford or justify the expense however, for my home garage and bike servicing, the red set is plenty good enough for what I do. Thanks for the heads up on this set, you're spot on with what you say 👍

@Moonfleet41

Жыл бұрын

Cheers buddy, this is an old video now, and am still using my Red set every day!

@michaelmclarney1994

Жыл бұрын

@@Moonfleet41 you're welcome, I'm pleased to hear it's still going strong. I have been following the channel since lockdown but there is still so much content I haven't seen yet 😀👍

@Moonfleet41

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for such kind support Michael, it's really appreciated !

Lovely video and found a new channel to scavenge to find some info for my motorcycle maintenance! During my latest endeavours with my motorcycle I found my tools to be lacking, e.g. needed 12 and 14 socket for a bigger rachet, and wanted to buy a new socket set to be able to tackle everything. The Red set covers all that, but the Blue seems better suitable for a lifetime investment if I look at the benefits you pointed out and align this to my preferences. Do you have any recommendations on sets of the Blue coming closest to the versatility of the Red?

@Moonfleet41

Жыл бұрын

Hi buddy, great debate and a simple answer to it... it concerns the words 'lifetime investment'... if you're a professional mechanic, working 40hrs a week with the tools in your hand, then nothing will last a lifetime, not even Snap-On (ask any mechanic!), but if you're a say, once a week amateur, then the Gedore Blue is overkill at the price... I would say you need the Red set because as a weekend amateur the set will last a lifetime, just maybe replace the heavily used sockets that get worn on an individual one by one basis, like 10mm and 12mm etc., ... at least that way you haven't spent money on tools that you'll never wear out... just my opionon mate, hope it helps!

@Ultra0wnz

Жыл бұрын

@Delboy's Garage thank you for your reply! That's going to be some additional thinking then. I don't use them professionally, but when I use them, I prefer to enjoy them as much as possible and don't want the tools to be holding me back. I've also come across some discounted Wera sets to consider as well. Any of these sets would then likely last me a lifetime, it just seems more like a trade-off between easy/comfort of using and the costs

You really are an excellent communicator. A very interesting and informative video.

@Moonfleet41

Жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you!

Nowadays there a ratchets with 6 pawls, turning 30 big teeth into 90 steps. (2 pawls opposite of each other per step for extra durability.)

Gday mate years ago in 1976 i bought a cheap socket set to work on my honda 550 supersport from a company called kingchrome at a dirt cheap price , basically a new player /rival for the well established sidchrome brand ,i don't have all the sockets now but still have a fair amount of them and they have seen me through 30 odd years of car and bike mechanical work , now kingchrome tools are some of the most expensive in australia as well as sidchrome which was always known as the profesionals tool .

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

Great story mate thanks for sharing!

So for the price of the red set you can buy 1 (One) snap-on 3/8 ratchet, 80 teeth. But believe me, if you ever worked with that, you never want another ratchet in your life...

@martinamhofer8994

3 жыл бұрын

I also got a old style one like his snap-on, and even this old stuff feels a thousand times better (imo) than all my german stuff (Hazet, Gedore, etc) The newer 80tooth is a whole other universe

@chopperguy6661

3 жыл бұрын

Yea ive got snapon ratchets at home and work they are worth every penny and those multipal tooth ratchets suck in my opinion.they are weaker! But ive used quality tools for over forty years and have tried the cheap ones and there is no comparison. Seen guys buy cheap stuff over and over and im still using the same stuff i bought those years ago.

@peterkramer3814

3 жыл бұрын

Snap on is still overpriced, but lifetime warrenty is applicable. So you only buy 1 ratchet in your life!

@tarkanakagunduz6374

3 жыл бұрын

snap on Overpriced. Buy Hazet is the best

Great review..you pay for quality like most of the time.. Thanks.

@plageran

3 жыл бұрын

I've learned my lesson the hard way a few times from this, there are something's in life you can risk, the rest: Research Research Research

Like for the watch reference :)

If you are a professional spanner Turner, the red kit is ideal for those out and about kind of jobs. I'd rather pick up that case and go, than decant my snap on tools into a tote box and probably lose half of them in the process.

@Moonfleet41

4 жыл бұрын

Bloody good point well made mate... Never thought of it that way.!

Buy the red and what you break replace with the blue.

I remember you doing a review years ago saying no matter what socket you use you will always use your ratchet handle. I went out and bought a decent ratchet handle on that piece of wisedom and have never looked back.

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, am glad that worked out for you, it's still sound advice today, and I see if both these kits, at their price levels, they put good ratchets in!

Great video there with very nice and detailed explanation. Do you know if those sets come both with a lifetime warranty?

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

That question is best researched on the Gedore website under their terms and conditions, you know how it is, all warranties have conditions, even Snap-On! I've had a dozen Snap-On warranty claims refused over the years, so best to look it up to be sure...

@JP-lz4fp

3 жыл бұрын

@@Moonfleet41 cheers mate.. I ve got a suspicion though that from the blue set only the rachets are of higher quality.. Judging from the price of a 3/8 drive rachet set which is 250+ this set including 2 rachets, extentions and screwdriver bits is only 160? Doesn't make sense..

@macvos

2 жыл бұрын

@@JP-lz4fp Yes, only the ratchets seem German made. The sockets seem made in Taiwan. The fully German made Gedore sets sell for €400+.

I dare say that products made in Taiwan are many times way better than many expensive brands. Im a professional and i work with FORCE brand at least for a decade and i never have a problem. By the way thank you very much for the video i already order the red one👍.

Hello, although I listened carefully to your video, I couldn't understand it because I don't speak English 😃 I have a question, which one should I buy to maintain my own motorbike? Is it red? Is it blue?

Well I wasn't expecting that ! What an interesting video '🙂 Two things for me the number of teeth a rachet has , and yes I too have had that where you need more teeth as your in a confined space and 3/8 is the better size when working on a bike. Definitely going to alter my tool kit now. I know you wasn't dissing Snap On and they're tools I have always desired but it is interesting to listen to you comparison with you old SO to these cheaper ones. Whilst I have your attention searched through and couldn't find you have done anything on replacing brake fluid on an ABS equipped bike any chance of doing one. I asked as I want to do it on my BMW GS & none of the videos explain it as well as you do on your tutorials. Stay safe

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

This is the only ABS change I've done, not on a BMW, but the principle is the same, unless you want to fully purge the entire system, in which case it's a trip tot he dealer, hope this helps: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqibsdind8rYlrg.html

@2wheelsrbest327

3 жыл бұрын

@@Moonfleet41 Thanks I will have a look at it.

And then you have the Hazet hiper 1/2" ratchet which is rated for 1000Nm

That was an excellent video Del particularly when you showed us the difference between 36(?), 60 & 72 ratchet drivers. Really good way of showing what is REALLY important and what's not quite so important.

@wobblysauce

3 жыл бұрын

That it is... pay a bit more for the thing that is going to be in your hand, can cheap out on most sockets, but it is a good starting point.

I just bought a Gedore Red Torque wrench, 60-300nm, to do my cars wheels and my bikes axles and I am very impressed. It is a very nicely made and very solid piece of kit, I paid 88 euros on amazon. It comes with a complete test calibration sheet. I have a smaller Kraftwerk 10-60nm torque wrench and it's nowhere near as nicely made but the same price.

@Moonfleet41

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing, sounds like a great endorsement!

Could you open up the ratchet for us to compare the internal mechanism instead of us just listening you feeling it

thanks Del. question: Can we change the headlight of a 2008 Bonneville to LED?

Never been a huge fan of the "chain store" type kits. However, mate of mine recommended the Halfords Advanced with its lifetime warranty 🤔. Anyway, got the big kit on offer and greatly reduced. About 2 years later, one of the ratchets went tits up, time to test the warranty! Went into Halford, no receipt (easy get out for them), went to one of the staff and explained that the item was broken. She took it off me, and with a "just wait here sir" she disappeared. Expecting the usual excuses...... So wrong! Out she came brand new ratchet, "here's your new ratchet sir, anything else?" I was stunned. Well done Halfords! Best ratchet I ever had (before it was stolen 😡) was a gear less Britool, it would engage after the slightest movement. Sorry for the ramble. RSMB. Be safe you two.

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, good job Halfords, the whole company has stepped up its game since shedding the daft "Ripspeed' thing selling all the HiFi and Amps etc... who ever they have placed in charge of tool operations at their head office has truly got it right... they know there is a hill of competition out there from the premium brands, lifetime no quibble guarantees are standard now, and the kind of service you had there is the only way they'll shake off the crappy "Max Power" image they got known for..! like they same bruv, "it's a lot harder to build a good reputation than it is to lose one"..!

So what is the difference then between Gedore blue/red and Carolus Tools by Gedore?. I like Gedore tools as years ago when a first started working in the mid 80's a new machine would turn from Germany with a nice new Gedore / Dowidat tool box, bits of which would disappear into my private collection at home. Now they turn up with Matador a cheaper German brand. One thing i like are the old style Gedore T-bar where the tommy bar goes through the shaft rather than having the 1/2" adapter fitted onto it, with dimples in the middle of the tommy bar making it so you can spin it round and it stays balanced up for speed. Nobody makes them like that anymore and i can't even find a old picture of one anywhere. P.S Any reviews on Gedore, Stahlwille, Wera, Wiha, Knipex and Starrett are most welcome. (BTW...I am a self confessed tool snob and i'm not receiving any treatment for this costly affliction.)

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Ernest, Simply put, "Gedore Red" is the new name for what was previously called "Gedore Carolas".. just a bit of a rebranding kick to bring the two product lines together.. (Red and Blue, that is !)

Very interesting - thanks Del I appreciate hearing your views on the difference, a great way to spend 17 minutes!

@Moonfleet41

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Sir, I guess it was a bit long I'm afraid, but wanted to cover all the bases and give a square opinion, thank you for your support, as ever, it all helps keep the videos rolling, D&Px

@arnybarmy

4 жыл бұрын

@@Moonfleet41 it wasn't too long - it was comprehensive! :-)

Even snapon, matco, mac, and cornwell have an economy base line of tools made overseas that still have lifetime warranty and arent bad products, i use namebrand daily and their cheaper line at home but still use snapon ratchets and quality screwdrivers and extentions. Good screwdrivers are as needed as good ratchet.

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

Wise words well said mate... back in the days i was building up my collection, i spent twice as much on Blue Point as i did in Snap-On.. and still have both in good working order..!

I have to say. Im a sucker for buying the quality tools, even for my home kit. Id be buying Blue. My tools I hope will be past down to my children when Im pushing up daisys . They better appreciate them !!!!!!

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

ha ha yeah, investing in the future aye.. Wise move, i have handed down tools, and they have a special value to me.

@stevecaron6609

3 жыл бұрын

I was proud to inherit my Grandfather's 1965 Snap-On 200pc tool set and I appreciate them but being that they're all SAE, they just set around while I hump around with metric Sears Craftsman tools.

Great review! Thanks a lot

Class review Del really injoyed that just goes to show when u were saying where thay were made the difference in the handels. Keep up the good work 👍🏻

@Moonfleet41

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it mate, just spoke it as I found it.

If you're not impressed with the red I'll have them thank you

Great review and comparison, loved that. I do remember years ago when you referred to tools as house of straw and house of bricks for getting started and I loved that analogy, thought it was going to come up again today. Keep up the great work Del and Penny. All the best guys. 😊

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your kind message mate, we're glad you enjoyed the video... thanks for your support, keep well and ride safe, D&Px

I personally bought the set because i wanted the deep sockets for work as it's what I needed for a good price and if I want to use a heavier ratchet I'd use my old trusty Bahco ratchet. Edit: I really don't care about price but in my view it's a good box to have extra just in case I can't take my large toolcart with me

@Moonfleet41

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

That recovery rate makes a big difference in tight spaces.

I bet Gedore Red are made by Teng tools of Taiwan. many makes and brands are outsourced to them

One differents between the 2 is that the blue version sockets can also be used for impact tools. So i think the red one is more comprehensive, the blue one is more efficient.

@tomasjedlicka7102

7 ай бұрын

Are you sure? I thought that for impact sockets, more suitable chrome-molybdenum steel alloy is used. At least every socket manufacturer / reseller I've come across had it that way.

GREAT! now i want another socket set! haha

The red tool kit would be cheaper to replace when it got stolen from your van, which is much more likely to happen than it breaking due to quality issues.

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

Now that's a sensible and practical man speaking... too true indeed mate.

You had me at made in "Germany" ..Obviously going to be quality ..Everybody knows if you want to have something solid ...always ask a German

@martinamhofer8994

3 жыл бұрын

I like to use „Hazet“ and „Stahlwille“, but i got to say that i like my „Snap-On“ stuff WAY more. Handling and feel is (i.m.o.) superior to all german quality tools. Talking about ratchets, sockets, etc

Hi there Delll boy , what about a comparison between Wurth and Gedore socket set?! What would be your opinion which one of those two would be better? Many thanks!

Hey thanks for the review, 12:10 ratchet comparison - I can assure you the mechanism in both the Gedore and G.RED is the same I have checked it myself by disassembling both. The PAWL, spring sizes and weights are same, however I have observed 8-10gms more weight in the gear of BLUE v/s RED. Furthermore the clicking sound changes as per lubrication - the RED can make the same sound if well lubricated. I have noticed that the Gedore blue Ratchets always come well lubricated with dielectric grease - whereas the RED is not at all lubricated. You can check it yourself. hope it helps. Also the RED ratchet is not hollow. its the lack of lubrication which makes you feel that way :)

Another great, concise explanation. Thank you.

Something still doesn’t stack up. I bought the red set two years ago on Delboy’s recommendation - I’ve not been disappointed but I already had a set of “Conventional” Gedore which comprised a single 3/8 drive, 12 sockets and NOTHING else - it cost just under £200 only six months earlier. At the time, a set like the Gedore “Blue” being reviewed here by Delboy would have been in the region of £1000 and possibly more - no question. So, how come we’re now looking at £150ish for this set?? The answer sticks out like a dog’s nuts 1. Either Gedore realised they couldn’t sell tools at inflated prices and shot themselves in the foot by launching Gedore Red and had no choice but to drop their prices by around 80% 😳 or. . . . . 2. Gedore Blue is an up-Specced version of their tools, designed by Gedore but also now manufactured for Gedore in Taiwan, much like iPhones for Apple, whereas the Red is a generic off-the-shelf set for which the manufacturer offers branding. My hunch is 2. I can tell you with certainty that 2 - 3 years ago, the set you are now reviewing would have been around a grand - absolutely no question!! Great review by the way.

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

It sounds like these are questions for Gedore themselves, perhaps you should pose them to them as it sounds more like a marketing enquiry, I'm not really bothered so much about the price one way or the other, my quest was to see if there really was a physical difference. Thanks for watching mate.

@ybliga

3 жыл бұрын

Apologies Delboy - I didn’t mean to sound like I was slighting your excellent and interesting review and although not your remit, I’m genuinely puzzled by the pricing of this conventional set. Either way, I am happy to buy with confidence because Gedore won’t risk their brand name by applying it to rubbish and I’ve been more than happy with the Gedore Red and another plus is the availability of sockets etc to replace any lost which is a big plus in my eyes.

@macvos

2 жыл бұрын

It seems that the ratchets in this set are made in Germany, but the sockets are made elsewhere. That explains both the lower than expected price and the lack of difference between the blue and red socket. Last I checked, a completely German made Gedore socket set (albeit more comprehensive than the one in this video and a bit closer to the red one shown here) was >€1000 MSRP and +- €750 on Amazon Germany (where German tools are usually prices lowest, not counting potentially unreliable Ebay sellers).

You learn something new every day. Thanks 👍🏻

Good price

Nice review for a great tools factory Gedore of Wuppertal,Germany.

@torstenk.007

3 жыл бұрын

Gebrüder Dowidat Remscheid

Thanks for that.. you defo got my attention ..defo red for me.. one Bike, a shed and more of a selection that is good enough quality for what I realistically need.. 👍 enjoyed your vid.. thanks for sharing...

@Moonfleet41

4 жыл бұрын

Most welcome Sir, glad you enjoyed it!

Great explanation of the visceral difference between the ratchets. Very worthwhile video in these days of more for less is better. Yes a cheap tool may do the job once but sometimes not even that and I am talking from experience... buy sensibly, buy once (normal wear and tear excluded, exclusions apply, the value of your investment may go up or down....)

@Moonfleet41

4 жыл бұрын

Ha ha, good disclaimer at the end there Jason.. !!! but you're right.. a really bad hand tool is like using a worn out tool, it can needlessly round off a fastener and end up costing you ten times the difference of buying a better tool in the first place.. !

I have the gedore red I've had it for a few weeks I keep it in my lorry as I spend alot of time away up to 6 weeks it comes in very useful if I have a minor breakdown it means I can fix it myself to get going again I'd 100% recomend the red to anyone I also have the gedore red 16 piece 1/4 I keep under the seat on my bike

@Moonfleet41

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, great feedback Kelt, there couldn't be a better endorsement for the red kit!

@keltthomas8476

4 жыл бұрын

@@Moonfleet41 I do see what you mean the ratchet mechanism dose feal a little cheap but I must say I've put some of my 23 stone on it and its held up real well so far and the driver bits i use all the time for bulb changeing and not round 1 head off yet

the price difference is not because of different mechanism of ratchets - its because of the precision in sizes of sockets, Forging time & Hardness of metal and of course labor cost

@Moonfleet41

2 жыл бұрын

labor cost ? Nail on head..

Are there many imperial sizes for Harleys. If not which set would you recommend. For price conscious amateur

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, there's an SAE set, but just to be aware, there are metric fasteners on Harleys now, specially on Sportsters.

@HUTProductionsuk

3 жыл бұрын

@@Moonfleet41 cant see a gedore red sae set?!

Extensive mechanical teaching by Delboy DIY Crafts.

Excellent comparison, certainly got me thinking. I have a Draper socket set which was bought for me 40 odd years ago and that is still going strong and has handled some really tough jobs, however, I am not sure if the quality of Draper has gone down hill a bit, maybe they outsource their manufacture similar to the Gedore red set? My kit cost about £50 in the late 70's and was a high quality kit which has stood the test of time.

@BungleBare

3 жыл бұрын

Draper are not what they once were. They do have a more premium brand now though called Draper Expert, where they’ve seemingly got some sort of tie-in with Britool and Facom (all three use the same Expert logo/typeface). It seems to be Draper’s top end brand, and simultaneously Facom’s value brand. Not sure how Britool fits into that though.

@robertmills6497

3 жыл бұрын

@@BungleBare Stanley Black & Decker who own Facom have completely phased out "Britool Expert" now, all you can get is "New/Old Stock". In the USA its just called "Expert" and Mac Tools (Also owned by Stanley) sell it on their tool vans as their answer to Snap-on's "Blue Point" range of affordable(??) tools aimed at the "Prosumer and Apprentice" Markets. Same in Europe where Facom is the Mac or Snap-On competiton brand and Facom Expert is the lower level. Same warranty just made in the far east. Draper's Expert typeface is completely different and they are not a related brand in any way, shape or form.

Great review Del. Many years ago I bought a good quality Craftsman set from Sears, similar to the red kit. The plastic case had plastic-hinged latches instead of the metal type like the Gedores, and broke in the first couple of years. I checked with Sears, and the case wasn’t covered like the tools. Anyway, now you have me going out to the garage at the end of the video to check my socket wrenches’ recovery.

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

Sure thing mate, there is a very small difference between the two plastic boxes, I was going to mention it, but didn't want to make the video any longer, the plastic in the Blue box is very slightly thicker and a bit firmer, and the liner is a cut foam affair, rather than moulded plastic dimples, but they both have plastic hinges...

you said the blue had a recovery rate of 5 degrees. It is really 6... but thats fine haha

Perhaps "Triumph Red" should be a thing from this year on!

@Moonfleet41

3 жыл бұрын

You're not wrong mate, when I bought my Scrambler new in 2013, it was £7k, the same bike now is nearly £12k, granted it's a slightly improved bike, but not five grand's worth more... Harley did it with the 750 Street, and it's worked pretty well for them, so am inclined to agree... if we can get the younger oncoming riders on to Triumphs, rather than Chinese bikes, then that would definitely be bonus! Stay safe buddy, chat soon, D&Px

Great review del 👍. Can't wait till the next video. Keep safe and ride safe. to the both of you.

Great video Del. The red set would be a great value good quality tool box to have in a home garage. And quality lasts so probably a once in a lifetime buy.

@Moonfleet41

4 жыл бұрын

Very true, couldn't agree more Alan.

Don't get the 1/2" Gedore pro set. In about a year time I broke 2 of those ratchets. I think there's something wrong with them. Replaced it with Facom. Their sockets are great tough. The 1/4" ratchet however is absolutely amazing. Very sturdy and the switch is very decent unlike the one on the 1/2" version.

@randomdudeontheinternet9926

2 жыл бұрын

If you really want quality ratchet sets that are actually sturdy and affordable, I would suggest investing in a Bahco ratchet set. Been using it at home for years. They see plenty of abuse and they don't break. If something happens to break, replace it by a high quality manufacturer part and be done with it.