Getting that stuff out and back in as a royal PITA. So many simultaneous fitments and engagements most that you can't even see. Hard to feel anything ether because things tend to just stop moving. Extreme exercise in persistence, patience, and vocabulary.

Man O man, there is no way in the world I would be able to figure out how to take all that apart and put it back together again. Nice seeing you use your new press already! Pet Bailey for me. Thanks

Very interesting repair Brian, it's a pleasure to watch your mechanical skills in action. Cheers and thanks!

Your combination of engineering knowledge and 'feel' would give me every confidence in commisioning complex repair jobs to you - wish you were local

Good to see you making use of the barn/shop now for these jobs. I am sure that was the original objective, and what a long, strange trip it's been!

Your a one stop shop Brian. Not only the re-build but repair and machining as well. Nice to have the capacity and capability to do it under the one roof. Cam

I believe this is the first time I’ve ever watched your video where you worked on a fresh clean work surface! Cheers!

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

It can only last so long! lol Honestly I hope to eventually have many nice clean workspaces.

some over easy barrings and enough room for a little welding pre-heat there on the grill. great way to start the morning brian and little transmission on the side

Don't be so modest Brian. You did it with magic!

Mmmm. Nothing like bearings on the skillet. Great job Brian. Haven’t seen the innards of one of those before. Hope you’re doing well.

I see you're putting that new big press to work. Watched you bring it home.

Brian, maybe you heard me yell from Chicagoland " Brian, move your elbow so I can see!". LOL!! Thanks for all you do for this online Machinists community!

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Try louder next time! lol

Good Job Brian. I notice you seem to know a few people in tractor pulling and work on a descent amount of pulling equipment. Have a great day. God Bless!!!

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I know many of them.

Like trying to herd cats using a wolf. The cussing is what helps! Nice job Brain.

#shopppppp Love your videos watch them all the time - from Northern Ireland you are some craic

Shop looking good Brian

Great Video Brian!! Nice to see your equipt being put to use. As far as getting your shop finished, Maybe you should try the Keith Rucker model. Pick a date for a shop work day and let your viewers know over the course of a few video's. It seems to work out well for him. I'm sure you'd find many viewers eager to pitch in and help you out. Best of luck

@DSCKy

5 жыл бұрын

I'm only about an hour plus away... could possibly swing that.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Will see what I can work out, got some volunteers from Tennesse and Indiana too.

Rats! When I was in high school and college, I worked on my uncle's farm in the summer. He had a 4020 and a 4330 that I used to drive, and I always wanted to see how the shifters worked--and your arm was in the way, so I still didn't get a chance to see it! But at least I saw the shifters, so I kind of have an idea... Oh, well, it was a very interesting episode anyway, Brian. Thanks for sharing. Joe

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

OOPS! My film crew is not the best. lol

ha that busted gear brought back some memories of my 944 Turbo when i blew second gear on the track, only thing was it was an integral part of the main shaft which made it an expensive booboo. nice video , much enjoyed and really looking forwards to meeting you on saturday

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

You should have been easier on that trans!! lol

Another paying job the shop. Good to see .

It will work. I saw Bailey walk through on an inspection tour and it must have passed.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Baily wagged it off!

Now we are building John Deere transmissions. A man of many talents.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Never know what goes on here from day to day!!

Some footage later of the trans in action would be cool! Also when your tightening bolts in a transmission you must make the "click, click" sound with your mouth to ensure proper torque. Pro tip. LOL

Nice work. I would rather do an automatic over a manual trans most days. Smashed and cut fingers, pressing everything apart and together, lost detent springs and balls, locking up as the slide dogs bind on the synchro blocking rings .... ahhh the fun of it. Always fun to watch the friction elements draw in the oil and push out air. I submerge mine on automatics. That is where the half quart bottles of leftover fluid wind up. You seem to have it well in hand. Press seems to be working just fine with very nice control-ability. I heard that you may be in Illinois on Saturday. If so I will see you there - God willing and the creeks don't rise. _Dan_

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Yep should be in beautiful Streator Saturday. :-)

So many times I've forgot to turn on the camera . Or The battery goes dead and shuts down the camera in the middle of a operation. Fun stuff. Those transmissions are pretty HD looking.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I had a battery cutout on this job too. Also don't forget memory card is full and it shuts down too!

@SteveSummers

5 жыл бұрын

@@bcbloc02 The fun never ends.

@WatchWesWork

5 жыл бұрын

You guys are better than me. Number one problem I have is forgetting to push the "record" button. 🤔

Right on, Bearing sep. needs to turn 90 degrees. Keeps from bending bolts.

Sounds like a two man job at times. Nice work nonetheless! Thanks for the video.

Them bearings is done!

enjoyed Brian ATB, Robin

Personally, I like the smile that goes across the face when a customer brings you their trans with the teeth peeled right off the gears and the customer is barking "That damn engine you built me is making too much power!!" "Quiet you mortal and pull out thy checkbook....the big feature is next weekend...there is work to do!" hehehehe :-D

You always make a great 👍 video.Did Bailey help.from the UK

Cussing is ok as long as there's no tool abuse ;-) Unsure of how much ram force you were applying to those shafts but have found that bearing separators are much stronger if used 90 degrees to way you had them.

This looked to be a very frustrating job.......Nice vid.

enjoyed

Good information to know about using the cheap oil . Is there a specific oil that should be used ? I would enjoy some footage of these pulling tractors you work on. Thanks again for sharing your time with us.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

I use John Deere Hy-Gard but in general the manufacturers suggested oil is the best to use.

I remember those snap rings on the bottom shaft, I had wedges made up for them. When you bolt it up there is no washer on the top r/h bolt or it will jump out of D range If I remember correctly. Dont ask me how I know, lol. I used to enjoy that work, I was always the gearbox man. I remember them splitting the rear gear on the top shaft from going reverse to forward without stopping. Or vise versa cant remember now. The press is paying for itself. I always have a big block of wood under mine in case I miss catching a shaft.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Back a big load in B or C reverse that will usually break one for sure. These gearboxes are a bit more than the Fergies have. LOL

@BundyBearsShed

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah these were my bread and butter for many years. The Fergies are more of a hobby as they are light to cart around. Wouldnt pull the skin off a rice pudding.

The first thing we did in the spring after the tractor sat all winter was crawl under and pull the plug on the gearbox. It is amazing how much water comes out. All condensation.

@notsofresh8563

5 жыл бұрын

This is it. The heat of running regular will drive off the water, but let her sit for a year and you end up with a lot of condensation in there. Better oil will cling to surfaces longer in storage, preventing the rust. On first start, the water will burn off once the engine warms up however when you first start it the oil pickup will first pickup the water because it is at the bottom of the pan. During first startup, the engine is getting water or water/oil foamy slurry until it warms up and drives off the water..... This wears the engine fast. Draining the water in the spring is a great practice. In addition, if you check fluids in the spring before running the machine, the water could make a low oil level look normal on the dipstick. Always recheck fluids after the first run due to this.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

All so true, good advice!

@DSCKy

5 жыл бұрын

Would be nice if it had a water separator plumbed into it...

That looks like something you'd have to be a mechanical engineer to get all figgered out. You know anyone :) lol

Brian, the other problem is when you don't heat the oil up enough to drive off the water, so it stays emulsified forever. This is a common problem with forklifts running propane too, because the propane converts to CO2 and H2O, which makes it into the oil.

@wallacesaan

5 жыл бұрын

EFormance Engineering CO2 and H2O are the primary product s of all hydrocarbon (propane, gasoline, kerosene, diesel) combustion ... Propane is not special in this regard.

Congrats. Great job. I try to avoid messing with a transmission. That work makes me nervous. Seems to be relatively small, for this amount og torque.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Well it was only designed for torque in the 500ftlb range but to last for 10000hrs doing it.

FWIW turn the guillotine puller 90° to reduce chance of bending the threaded rods on a hard pull

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

I had them well supported and it only took about 3 ton but yeah the other way is stronger, just harder to manipulate by yourself at least for me.

When ya cookin yer bearings, are you a turn em once man, or a keep on flippin em man?

You need a big logo sticker to put on your work. Perhaps a cube (or two) in isometric view with your initials, one on each surface in view, and imposed over symbols recognized for mechanic, machinist, and welder.

Looks like you need a longer pull handle on the press actuator. Maybe an old high-mount toilet tank flush chain and hande. :-)

on the clutch pack you assembled.. is that mechanical force being applies some how to squeeze the clutches and steels.. or is there a hydraulic piston on the shaft that we missed. how big a super magnet do you stash down in the bottom of the transmissions to collect the fragments.. since i have been using super magnets. my gear oils don't turn color..

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

That big drum looking thing on the top is what applies the force to the syncronizer clutches when you shift it.

@waynep343

5 жыл бұрын

so the pressure on the clutch pack is applied by a shift fork then.. not a hydraulic piston. ok.. oh.. that a syncronizer...to slow the shaft to match speeds for spline engagements .. not actually a engine torque transfer clutch pack... the missing friction material in some areas must be what caused the random wear to the splines or teeth faces. .. now it makes sense...

After watching a very interesting video on an intricate piece of machinery, I have one question.....is that a new shirt?

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

No it is not.

Brian, You mention the problems caused by cheap oil. I want to know what oil you recommend? Thanks for the information and entertainment.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Anything that usually says"universal" on it is bad. In the case of these transmissions I would reccomend John Deere Hy-Gard only. It is especially designed for equipment that can sit for long times and has excellent corrosion inhibitors as well as extreme pressure lubes for when it is being used hard.

If you're sure you got it, that's good enough for me.

I currently have a john deere 4350 with a quad range split. Whilst it's split my dad wants to swap gears in the quad-range for a faster top speed when on the road than 18mph. Do you know if this is possible and what gears we would need. Thanks, William

@bcbloc02

2 ай бұрын

I am not familiar with a 4350 because we Don’t have those in the us. I assume it is like a 4250 and uses an under drive/direct 2spd. You get put a 4440 or 4455 2spd in it which is direct and overdrive and that will increase your ground speed 27% in both lo and high.

Nice video! ....13

Putting that press to work i see is this that project you was talking about? The old man at the shop I help out in has a few transmissions I have to rebuild so I feel your pain Brian, but like any thing else somebody has to pay someone to do it and if they really want it right they can have us build it to suit their needs the first time.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, you gotta pay to play as they say!

Where are you from . First time seeing your work Thank you

@bcbloc02

3 жыл бұрын

Shelby County Kentucky USA

What do you mean by “cheap” oil? Saying I should be using only synthetics? Can you recommend a brand-name? Love your videos.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Anything that usually says"universal" on it is bad. In the case of these transmissions I would reccomend John Deere Hy-Gard only. It is especially designed for equipment that can sit for long times and has excellent corrosion inhibitors as well as extreme pressure lubes for when it is being used hard.

@sheph7ceo799

5 жыл бұрын

thanks

Hola buenas tardes amigo yo tengo un 4020 y el engranaje de la reversa se jodió me lo podrá conseguir usted y en cuanto sale

2 things a shop that deals with bearings that are pressed on a freezer and an oven

To handle any real hp you need to build 3 speed transmissions for these john deeres. If guys are serious pullers though they usually don't use a quad. The usually use a syncro. I have built many 3 speeds but never one for a quad. The new top shafts that I build are 1 3/4" dia where they come through the front bearing and I use a coupler to attach to the 1 3/4" clutch shaft. Not sure how that could be coupled to a quad 2 speed. The 3 speeds I build are usually all faster than the original road gear. They use the 7th gear slot, 5th gear slot, 8th gear slot and 1 reverse.

@TheJohndeere466

4 жыл бұрын

Here is 3 speed i made. "i.ibb.co/fd9cB9h/Screenshot-20200414-190040-Samsung-Internet.jpg"

@bcbloc02

4 жыл бұрын

Yep about 800hp is the limit on a 4430 based rear before you start breaking stuff all the time. Keeping the quad is an advantage in the RPM limited classes because you can get more ground speed mid track vs bouncing off the governor. The 4640 based trans I built had 2 road gears for a 17.5 and 18.5 final. It has lived hundreds of hooks with 1500+hp and 3000ftlbs of torque in a 10000lb class. 3 spds are for sure the way to go for the RPM unlimited classes unless you want to really get fancy and free up some hp using a Profab or SCS box to eliminate all the stock design stuff.

Hi I'm from Greece.I have a 4020 with problem in this shaft and I can't take it out.Can you give any idea?

@bcbloc02

2 жыл бұрын

Which shaft? Top, counter, or bottom?

was it necessary to set the pinion gear height in addition to the backlash?

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Same gear and pinion were put back so it was already set.

nice work ..ready for some more punishment ,,

how much would a full transmission build be on a 40 series john deere

@bcbloc02

4 жыл бұрын

Depends on the condition of the parts you have. Send me an email of what you are planning. bcbloc02 at yahoo dot com

Didn't think they would leave the rockshaft ( 3 point ) load sense shaft lever in.

on the friction disk would it be a good idea to soak them in the good oil ?

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

It wouldn't hurt, I just put as much on them as they will absorb.

@328DaveGTS

5 жыл бұрын

thank you for the reply

7 thou backlash is pretty tight - maybe im to used to caterpillar specs !!!

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

It is for pulling so deep is better as the tooth is stronger, just need oil clearance.

Nice vid sir..but ive always wandering how this power shift really works...

@bcbloc02

3 жыл бұрын

This isn't a powershift transmission they are made totally different.

@isidroabatayo923

3 жыл бұрын

@@bcbloc02 got it sir..sorry..faster quad range right?.. if possible ask some favor how it works..coz my 4430 JD has a 1st and 3rd gear slippage..2nd & 4th gear are working and reverse..i was thinking to bypass the slippage gears 1&3, is it ok.? Thanks

Some work i do, when someone happens along, I explain that is normal to cuss at the machine i am working on. It's called having the balls to do difficult work.

That press is just about the right height for something to fly out of it and kiss you on the forehead lol

Why is the draft sensing in there for a pulling trans?

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Farm stock rules require working 3 point hitch.

@mrhp434

5 жыл бұрын

bcbloc02 ah ok..but do they check for draft sense function?

That rust and bad clutch material does not come from bad oil, it comes from the John Deere pissing itself when those Case IH tractors pull more distance. HA HA

How can I contact you? I have a project you might be able to help me with. I am located in Kentucky.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

email me bcbloc02 at yahoo dot com

It's not the cost of the repair; it's the cost to repair the damage you have done.

5:00 In case of fallout put back in and take shorter strokes.

Pro fab time

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

If only it was that easy, can't run a 2spd with the profab.

I guess, you need some type of part catcher under the press....

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Yes normally I like a big cardboard box full of paper.

@deltamachine2059

5 жыл бұрын

I think it's called his left hand. Hahhaah

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

It was that day!

@wlogue

5 жыл бұрын

I like an old radiator core under there

what speed did the new gears obtain?

@bcbloc02

4 жыл бұрын

6% faster than factory road I think.

@jimcrocker5183

4 жыл бұрын

So all of D range was only faster, A,B,C the same? Are those gears still available?

@jimcrocker5183

4 жыл бұрын

I have a 4440 that is needing some hi/low work and it does a lot of road work. Was curious about a little faster road gear

@bcbloc02

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimcrocker5183 The bottom shaft gear is still available from Deere the countershaft is not so you would have to find it in a salvage yard. If you didn't care about all the gears changing you could speed it up 27% by putting 4430 finals and brake plates on it. That is a much easier job than a complete transmission teardown to change the 2 gears.

Why do you "Cook your Bearings" ? What is the purpose of doing that?

@yqwgjsg

5 жыл бұрын

Jack Keller That’s not cooking, its expanding them for the press fit.

@jeffkeller1669

5 жыл бұрын

Oh, I see. Ok, thank you.

Something tells me you gave that Engine its 2300 # of torque.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Just parts of it.

Lack of stroke, or your ram is too short..........story of my life. Be interested to see what your pulling specific mods are.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Just do it twice that is what I do. :-)

Is this your tractor?

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

No it was for a puller.

If that tractor is going to be a puller, the spider gears need to be needle bearinged !

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Needs a needled 3 pinion!

Gee Brian, I guess you'll have to tear it all apart again so we can see what you didn't show us. Remember we all learn from mistakes...Just kidding. BTW I hope you tightened that loose nut in your shifter quadrant.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, did you not see it in the last shot? ;-)

@stevengarner3479

5 жыл бұрын

So is there supposed to be a gap between the nut and the main shaft selector quadrant?

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

I thought you could see it at the 15:40 mark that they had been tightened up but they are blocked out of the shot.

0:41-0:45 I hear ya cutting one loose 💩

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Nope just sounds like it, actually my boots.

@infoanorexic

5 жыл бұрын

the people I used to be around would have said "Did ya' hear that? He said it was so bad that it got clear down into his boots!" All in fun, of course, but there always seemed to be one that had to give that horse another lick or two every time he walks by ... long after it was dead and buried.

maybe they wont tear it up again

800 HP but 1600 FT Lbs or torque I would guess.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

No more like 2300ftlbs or so.

@madmodifier

5 жыл бұрын

Right on! That's what destroys drive lines!

I think John Deere sells lots of synchros because of cheap oil.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

If it is a powershift you get to sell the whole trans!

Do you work for John Deere

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

I work for a Deere dealer.

@jakestover9482

5 жыл бұрын

Which one? I work for Koenig John Deere in Indiana.

@bcbloc02

5 жыл бұрын

Meade

@jakestover9482

5 жыл бұрын

Oh neat I’ve heard of them they are a big dealership