Engi's primaries are really Personal Defence Weapons, as their main role is to allow him to defend himself at close range, not to contribute to the team's DPS output. His secondaries, turrets, and grenades do the jobs that the team really needs him for, which is area denial and quickly deleting high HP targets or clumped up groups of trash mobs.

@dnighthawk204241

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. His primaries are built so that you don't die to swarmers and grunts because your turret is targeting different enemies. They aren't intended as a competitor to a minigun/flamethrower/etc.

@thenightingale7405

Жыл бұрын

This sounds good, but the Warthog is awful. I can't come up with any reason, beyond personal preference, for using it in Haz 5.

@battleoid2411

Жыл бұрын

@@thenightingale7405 I can't think of any reason anyone would choose any weapon aside from personal preference, its not like there's anything stopping you from choosing anything, aside from certain toxic people perhaps?

@thenightingale7405

Жыл бұрын

@@battleoid2411 It's a close range weapon with low ad clear potential which means you're probably going to get swarmed if you use it. At least, that is my opinion.

@p_serdiuk

Жыл бұрын

@@thenightingale7405 Dunno, I use mini shells and had no problems with it on deep dives. It's a bit underwhelming otherwise though, the reload is too long.

As a player whose only maximum ranked dwarf and whose main dwarf by extension is Engineer, his primaries (I think) are “supposed” to have synchrony with the turrets, if that makes sense. I presume the devs have an assumption that, when playing Engineer, your turret or turrets (depending on how you build your turrets) are “supposed” to compensate/offset what firepower the primary weapons bring to the table. When you consider Engineer has access to overclocks such as mini shells, turret em discharge or turret arc, explosive chemical rounds or executioner, and mods such as turret whip, the electric mods on stubby, and the range buffing lenses on the lok-1, there is an impression that your primary weapons are aimed to put in work that the turrets do not. The same reasoning can be applied with the secondary weapons, but while the secondary weapons are known for their overkill power in numerous regards, the primary weapons complete the jobs the turrets do not necessarily specialize in. I’ve found the turrets being best at residual damage, swarm slow down, and area control, and this goes for either a one turret or two turret build. Whatever the mission, I am prepared to have all my weapons and tools do work, and I don’t feel like my primary weapons are going to do an undermined job. If I got the warthog, I’ll be reliably taking down the health of larger enemies, which is something the turrets can do, but not always efficiently, especially when the turrets can handle swarms and smaller enemies with more idea efficiency. If I got the stubby, the electricity offsets the raw bullet damage of the stubby, so the ammo efficiency is top notch, and my turrets aren’t wasting ammo inadvertently, and this makes swarms less costly toward ammo. If I have the lok-1, my range is far superior than the range of my turrets, therefore my turret’s longevity is increased, and depending on what overclock I have on, the health of various enemy types are drained quickly with minimal danger. I’ve played and main many engineer type characters in multiple shooters, and from that I’ve learned how much the turret-part of the character is not the main course; rather, the turrets are side dishes and the main course is how well you, the actual engineer, utilize and bring the entire meal together, if that makes sense. If you think a part of your meal is underwhelming or a different part of it is too overwhelming, it’s not necessarily the part of dish at fault, but the synchrony and offset BETWEEN them all that is the reason why for these senses of being underwhelmed or overwhelmed. Do I see why people say Engineer’s primaries are underwhelming? Yes, sure. Do I agree? No, not really, I’m used to the holistic aspect of finding full use in each function of Engineer’s kit. I hope this helps, as long as this comment was! Rock & Stone! Edit 6-1-23: It’s really cool to see all the positive feedback and I’ve since then got every class to Legendary tier as of yesterday!

@jakiru8783

Жыл бұрын

Nice analysis. Playing Engineer is a juggling act and understandably it isn't for everyone. Would still love to see the Warthog get the GK's recent treatment 😅

@StormEagle5

Жыл бұрын

synergy might be a better fit for the word than synchrony

@emmettblackburn8809

Жыл бұрын

Good analysis also i feel that the meal comparison but the turrets are more of a cherry on top then a side dish but it works

@emmettblackburn8809

Жыл бұрын

@@jakiru8783 better not take my minor adjustments

@samuelfaiman1387

Жыл бұрын

I'm not an engineer, I'm a chef. And you're just a part of my 5 course haz 5 BANQUET.

Engie’s playstyle is less of being the “wall” that bugs have to get through, that’s Gunner’s job, but rather being the guy who thins down the hoard, giving his teammates some extra leeway. His secondaries and turrets excel at that, but his primaries are more focused on supportive roles. The Warthog is good at clearing smaller groups of grunts, Stubby debuffs the bugs, slowing them down, and the Lok-1 clears flying enemies quite nicely.

@ketra1504

Жыл бұрын

the Lok can also be a very very effective weapon for both single targets and groups when using the Explosive Chemical Rounds overclock

@jakeryan2805

Жыл бұрын

As someone who has just started gunner. I can say I feel like anything but the wall. I feel more like the liability. Mini gun is not good for groups, and I think I miss almost everything. I miss my flamethrower.

@andreacarnevale3152

Жыл бұрын

@@jakeryan2805 May I introduce you to: Area Damage Autocannon

@jakeryan2805

Жыл бұрын

@@andreacarnevale3152 I haven't unlocked it yet. Will that help me more if im used to driller weapons? I cant aim for the bloody life of me with the tiny line of minigun. Only hit big boys or dread rumps. Lmao

@themarlboromandalorian

Жыл бұрын

Look at neuro lasso. It's a debuff which works best when you're not actually firing your rounds.

I think Engi's primaries are perfect, because if you try to defend yourself with JUST your primaries, you will run out of ammo very quickly. Your primary is not for horde clearing, it's for mopping up after your team and your turrets. Whenever I go back to engi after playing other classes for a while I always die a ton, because I forget that turrets are this classes bread and butter. They can be unassuming and you may not notice them when they're there, but you DEFINITELY notice when they're not. With OCs and experience of course this can change a lot, but at baseline this is how the game wants you to think. You are a master of area denial, so while other characters like to hop all over the place during hordes, you are at your strongest when you dig your boots in at one spot and fight like hell.

@elispencer760

Жыл бұрын

100% agree with you. Adding on, I love Engi because their role really brings results when you for utilize their whole kit. The idea of them is that they have a right tool for any wide variety of problems. I mean sure I can play Haz 4 or 5 on gunner or even driller without touching my secondary, grenades, and utilities if I have the right set up for the primary. (Interesting enough challenge btw.) But it’s satisfying to use the whole tool belt efficiently and effectively vs 1 tool that can do it all. They say engi can perform all roles the same if not better than the other classes. While I don’t completely agree with that statement, I do agree that they are versatile and have an answer for most situations. Can’t tell you how many times my turrets saved me when I got grabbed. I’m not an engi main but I do love them and the results they bring.

@wellingtondacruz4082

Жыл бұрын

I don't think this is the way intended to play as eng, if you remove shield from Gunner he is still gunner, same as flares and C4s... but with eng without the Turrs u've only your secondaries to rely on. Maybe some changes in the class overhaul

@Baphelon

Жыл бұрын

@@wellingtondacruz4082 I disagree with your point about the support tools. Gunner without shield is no longer a revival ace, scout without flares can no longer efficiently comb every inch of a cave, and driller without c4 couldn't teamkill nearly as efficiently (joke, but also not really a joke lmfao)! At the risk of sounding like I'm sucking GSGs dick, I really do think they've balanced each classes entire kit insanely well so that everything TOGETHER gives the class its identity. In my 12 days and 20 hours of in-mission time as JUST engi, I've personally very rarely run into serious ammo issues, so long as I play smart. Though I could be in the minority.

@jesuschrist7499

Жыл бұрын

Fatboy says hi.

@cysheep8261

11 ай бұрын

Stubby clears hoards and never runs out of ammo

Engi is built around his ability to control the flow of the bugs, with his Turret at the heart of it all. That's something i think new players might have to learn, as it's not immediately apparent when first starting. Engi has a "loop" to his play, in that you're meant to be traversing the cave while always looking for places for your Turret(s). If you're not proactive with your turret you're going to feel underpowered. The primary is meant to be your "mop up" weapon while you get from one vantage to the next, and to clean up heavier targets your turret is focusing. Engi is very much a class you have to use every tool to make the most of the class, and the primary is just one part of that ensemble. In a vacuum the primaries will look bad in comparison to the other class primaries also in a vacuum. But together with the Turret, grenades and even the platform gun with the bug repellent, that's how you make Engi be the most OP in the game

@newrecru1t

Жыл бұрын

Based take here *edit:* autocorrect...

@TheAbyssalStorm

Жыл бұрын

Scout picks off priority targets, Driller and Engie thin down the hoard with DoT and numerous guns respectively, and Gunner is the literal wall that the bugs have to get through. Every class has its role and you described Engie’s role better than I could have.

@Omegaset

Жыл бұрын

As an engi main, you do not need to completely play around your turret. Most of my builds, the sentry is just a support and area denial tool.

@swolzer

Жыл бұрын

its too complicated when you realize you can just shoot as gunner and achieve identical results.

@workinprogress8978

Жыл бұрын

@@swolzer True, but some players enjoy the complexity of engineer. I know, I do.

Engi’s primary’s are his *second* line of defence. He was designed to work around his guns, so his primary (which isn’t meant to be his main damage source) takes a backseat to the aimbot guns.

@russellfrancis813

8 ай бұрын

No, it takes a back seat to the SECONDARY, which is the actual primary, and the "primary" *synergizes* with the turrets, making them both stronger.

I feel that the raw power you can get out of Engie's secondaries make the primaries have to be a little underpowered to balance them, but the small pool of ammo for their secondaries makes them run out quickly, while the primaries sometimes feel like they're not doing much. So green beard engie's may be struggling to play the class well from underusing their turrets.

@urazz7739

Жыл бұрын

And then there is the turret(s). They are almost a 3rd gun by itself.

@shimadabr

Жыл бұрын

My PGL (11121) with RJ250 Compound overclock disagrees haha. Shoot one in the middle of a hoard and all the grunts burn until they vaporize in a few seconds (when not they are severely weakened). The fact it has 22 rounds makes sure you're never out of ammo on tricky situations.

@birdmustard7098

Жыл бұрын

@@shimadabr green beards. My comment was discussing green beards playing engie.

I think if you're overusing Engi's primaries it can really feel like you have a bad ammo economy, but if you're taking full advantage of your turrets, secondary, and throwables it's not bad at all.

Engineer's damage and contribution to his team is spread out across his entire kit, rather than (mostly) condensed into their weapons like gunner/driller, you gotta use your whole kit to make the most of it.

I've been playing Engi for a long time and I had forgotten how rough it feels to play him without upgrades and overclocks. As a fully kitted out engi I don't find I have these problems. My warthog damage and ammo management is pretty good. Better than scouts. With experience you will end up fighting along with your turret when the horde arrives and you're only using your primary on its own when moving between caverns.

@ReapeeRon

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I noticed that when I played a game where I brought nothing, and it was a bit of a rough mission.

I believe Engineer's primaries exist to eliminate the survivors of those targeted by his secondary weapons and turrets, his primaries are the sidearm to the power weapons of his secondary slot. That's how I use them anyway, and as general personal defence between large waves of enemies, but whenever there's more than a handful of grunts, the secondary comes out to obliterate them, the sentries deal with swarmers, and the primary extinguishes the survivors that slip past it all.

@akreid4614

Жыл бұрын

Now you can also use the swarm grenade to eliminate the swarmers!

@russellfrancis813

8 ай бұрын

Yes. 100%

As an Engineer player- primaries are terrific. Even the stubby which I consider the weakest is still extremely good. His primary can be built anyway the player wants. Engineer is a jack of all trades type dwarf. Single target dmg? Executioner/CycleOverload Swarm clearing? EM Refire/Turret whip. Want infinite ammo? Light-weight rounds. Want a better Warthog? Magnetic Pellet Alignment. Don't even want to aim? ExplosiveChemRounds. This is without accounting for his secondary (which is even stronger in most cases) and his nades (plasma and mine, VERY GOOD STUFF) Whoever complains about ammo issues are forgetting to put down their sentries, lol.

@creeperizak8971

Жыл бұрын

I hate it when I run out of ammo for my sentries

@ketra1504

Жыл бұрын

Explosive chem rounds + plastacrete catalyst = being able to clear dreadnoughts and big hordes of literally any kind of enemy in 10 seconds max

@mehmettekeli5706

Жыл бұрын

@@creeperizak8971 Same. If I choose the fast build mod for the sentries, then I run out of ammo quickly. If I choose the ammo mod, then setting up the turrets becomes a chore because both turrets take 4 seconds to build.

@poccer7722

Жыл бұрын

@@creeperizak8971 I had this problem because I used the sentries as a independent damage source (as in I let them cover angles I wasn't looking at), which led to them facing multiple bugs alone which eats through their ammo fast. My playstyle now is to run defender system and play in the cone they cover, getting stuck in the fight while they support me. That way, I found myself running out of ammo around the same time my sentries were.

@aquapotato..

Жыл бұрын

tbh light-weight rounds is kina weak. idk which one is better LWR or minishells but imo if u want a primary with lots of ammo i would go with stubby and if u want to be able to spam it all day then put the ammo mods or the ammo oc on it.

Engi's primaries are very good as an all around tool, his secondaries are where his big burst damage lies, the others are more support tools than anything.

I have only played like 30 games with random at most so my sample size is small, but I noticed a lot of engineers usually forget about their turrets, platforms and relied on their primaries and or the damn grenade launcher (usually of the nuke variation) It's a bit frustrating since their primary doesnt help a lot and the nuking get old fast when they are used mindlessly and end up hindering everyone. I understand that setting up turrets is a hassle and requires some planning which many seems to lack (or dont take the fast build upgrade)

@-John-Doe-

Жыл бұрын

1. teams run around. 2. You have to build the turrets 3. If they’re built, they have to physically move from their last location to the new location. 4. They have low ammo capacity. Their turrets are also very low damage.

@LordTrashcanRulez

9 ай бұрын

Part of the reason why turrets are underused is because, on the surface, they lack damage. Turret whip shows you absolutely no stats, so you can't tell how much damage it does or if it even has AoE. The same applies to Stubby's turret overclocks.

I honestly haven’t been paying attention to this video but I want to say thank you for the background noise, your tone and delivery is really well done for someone I don’t think is using a script.

@ReapeeRon

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

One thing I noticed about Engi over my time playing it is that he's not ammo inefficient, at least not to the point most players tend to believe. He is simply very fast to kill stuff, which obviously burns a lot of ammo. After all, your turrets passively engage everything at the range, providing constant firepower. Sometimes it's better to stop pulling the trigger at every enemy that enters your line of sight and let turrets and other players take care of it. You let the guns rip during swarms and dangerous waves, and at High-Value targets.

@doublewideshine5410

Жыл бұрын

Exactly my thoughts as well. On Engie the TTK is insanely low for most bugs, making it REALLY easy (and satisfying) to just ammo dump and kill everything in sight. I too thought ammo economy was trash on Engie in the beginning, but the problem was just me blowing my load in every fight. Took me running flat out empty on several missions before I learned that I don't HAVE to kill every bug in the cave, and to remember there are three other dwarves with big guns too.

Gotta love the question of "What's the problem with the Engineer Primaries?" being answered with "There is no problem."

I think my favorite combo for engie is shock stubby and diffractor with bonus vs shocked. Incredibly simple, but versatile and effective.

@ReapeeRon

Жыл бұрын

That is pretty nice.

For the engineer Lok-1, I’d love to see a toggle mode between manual fire and lock on, something like that would be interesting. Another concept would be an overclock that removes the lock on entirely, and automatically hits enemies at a certain range or something like that. For shotgun, would absolutely adore slug rounds as an option or something like that. For stubby, always didn’t like it too much. Would be interesting to see it fire something like little nails instead, plenty of fun ideas to mess around with there

I've been testing stub builds and it is by far my fav of the 3 primary guns. Running with either the bonus damage for shard and electricity or a nuke build grenade launcher to better hit vital spots after stun. ALL the ammo is needed to make up for lack of damage. Short bursts to mitigate spread and I end with top kills most missions.

For the Lok-1 There is a overclock i got that make up with the ammo consumption it have. And that's the OC that make target explode at the last bullets locked to them (min 3 stacked locks). The thing is if the bug die before the last bullet is shot, the bug explode anyway allowing you to chain effect or to eco some ammo.

@ReapeeRon

Жыл бұрын

That is really true, ECR is a crazy strong overclock for the Loki.

What is your opinion on building a stubby for electricity and then also making your shard diffractor do more damage to electrified enemies? Shreds larger health enemies when I use it

I feel like Engineer's primaries are fine, same with the other classes. I agree with having trouble balancing Engi cuz he also has the turrets. The turrets I feel like kinda take away from the ammo Engi would otherwise have had on his weapons. Rock and Stone!

@jakiru8783

Жыл бұрын

Maybe the solution could be to make a couple new slot options in that category for Engineer, one of which could be some sort of ammo pack?

@SpaceDwarfNova

Жыл бұрын

@@jakiru8783 Perhaps yeah, that might work

@ReapeeRon

Жыл бұрын

Rock and Stone!

Stubby all electricy upgrades+shard diffraction with the bonus damage at electricy=a pretty insane combo in my opinion

I really like to play engineer. But how can I get the angle of my turrets shown before placement? I tried to find a mod but was unsuccessful

@ReapeeRon

9 ай бұрын

You can select your turrets and then look down at the lines. That should give you an idea of where the turrets will target. Hope that helps.

Maybe some tweaks for the stubby and definitely some more interesting warthog overclocks, (Dragon's Breath shells or single Slugs would be really cool) but other than that they do their job. Love your videos, ron!

@aquapotato..

Жыл бұрын

ong i would love different ammo types, and birdshot would also be cool lmao.

@Her_Imperious_Condescension

Жыл бұрын

@@aquapotato.. I'd love birdshot for taking down Macteras, and those stupid jellyfish.

My struggle with engineer is always ammo management. I often wind up sticking with my primary for too long and placing turrets at every opportunity, so typically I’m left with the secondary and the nades I always forget to throw. To solve this I’ve started switching more often or looking for opportunities for the secondary to take out a large group with one shot, remembering that I have grenades, and deciding whether to use 2, 1, or no sentries for a given encounter. For some reason, the LOK is the easiest for me to ammo manage. I go for max ammo grenade launcher so I can use it more freely and mostly engage priority targets and that seems to disappear my issues with ammo.

In the DRG board game, any class can equip any secondary. But Engineer's primaries have become his secondaries and vice versa. So you could be Gunner with his Lead Storm minigun primary and Warthog shotgun secondary. Or you could be Engineer with a Breach Cutter and a Bulldog. I feel as though this strength in secondaries is reflected in the actual game. His primaries are fine.

@ReapeeRon

Жыл бұрын

That sounds interesting.

I mean, they could make an OC for the Lok that turns it into a slow automatic with increased reserve ammo. Not sure that it'd be an amazing OC but at least it could be a different new way to play the gun.

@newrecru1t

Жыл бұрын

The Lok-1 needs an Unstable OC that turns it into the Smart Gun from Aliens.

@jimmybuba2683

Жыл бұрын

Thats almost like high accuracy minishells shotgun

@TooFewSecrets

Жыл бұрын

Make it a tier 2 mod (replacing the zoom lens that I don't think anyone uses) and have it fire in bursts of 3, triggering ECR and... ECR.

I like this video format pretty much, would like to see the same for other classes! For exemple, i love the reworked GK2 on the scout, especially with a boosted fire rate, but damn, i can't help but feel like you run way too quick out of ammos with it, especially compared to the Drak. Drak is very powerfull, and seems to have a waaaay better viability for ammo consumption needed to kill anything( except for very big targets, like bigger than praetorians, maybe, but anyway, secondary weap is there for opressors, dreads and stuff like breeder). You can go to double ammo capacity with Drak than with GK2, and GK2 does'nt really feel better at killing things quick imho. I know Drak consumes a bit more ammos than GK2 to deal a similar amount of damage, but i still feel like i can kill way more enemies with it before having to resupply. I think they should improve a little bit the ammo capacity of GK2, because this is the kind of weapon where i know i would always pick ammo capacity instead of damages( even if the damage boost really is great), or i'll run out way too soon in haz 5. What do you people think? Do you agree that there should be some balance improvement between Drak and GK2? I feel like if i don't run B.O.M or A.S.E with lower fire rate but greater damage potential, then i'll just go through ammos way too quick( and i don't enjoy the gun as much without a great fire rate increase). While i can just go BRRRR with Drak and T.E.F/ Impact deflection, or even O.P.A, with max fire rate, and not run out of ammos that quick. I don't even feel the need of taking ammos upgrade with drak, damage boost still allows me to handle a bunch of swarms before resup.

I started playing fairly recently and have put a fair amount of time on all the classes. Engi started out pretty rough with what I felt like was the worst starting kit of any class but only got better the more I got used to using all of his available tools (had pretty bad luck with the OC so far). I like all the classes but engi feels like the best jack of all trades class with good damage both single target and aoe, along with good terrain manipulation and movement with the platforms, and good ammo economy when using both weapons and turrets. I don't have all the relevant overclocks and my thoughts on the classes change regularly as I have pushed up in difficulty and got new OC. I currently think engi and driller are very well rounded classes while gunner and scout are more specialized. With engi weapons I just thought it was odd that it seemed like they were flipped around compared to the other classes, with hard hitting secondarys and weaker more precise primaries.

Like TF2 engineer’s primaries are secondaries. Especially the way the classes are designed is three of them have powerful primaries with a lot of ammo with a secondary to back them up when you need either a different function or when you just need a back up. Engineer has the reverse for functionality, but the same order for ammo.

Engi was the last one I got promoted and I spent a while with his primaries, so I do have thoughts on them. Warthog= it was dificult to get used to at first but the more I used it the better I got with it and is my go to of the three. Since I have the amo that gives a powered shot to the single turret, it’s basically an extension of my turret. Also even in long ranges the inner reticle you can do some pretty good damage. It is clunky and I can’t handle hoards as good without a good fat boy, so yea it’s basically a support long to close range shotgun in my eyes. Stubby= What I consider to be the highest damage weapon in engi’s arsenal, but eats through amo so that’s why I think people consider it underwhelming damage for amount of rounds spent. It is fun but I definitely add electric damage and week point damage in the tree to make it that much more effective. Also the ark electric upgrade is good on hoards of grunts. Lok-1= fun weapon, versatile for engagements, not enough ammo or not any interaction with the turrets to make it an far more interesting weapon in my opinion. It’s fun to use, not so fun to run out of amo first.

I think people expect engie to just clean hordes on it's own but like other classes in DRG, they all fill in the gaps of each other. Giving engie the same fire power of another class would make it unbalanced

@Omegaset

Жыл бұрын

But engie is perfectly capable of taking a swarm on alone. All of the classes support each other really well but they can all still hold their own solo

@Jak_Extreme

Жыл бұрын

@@Omegaset yes, but for example, gunner and driller clean it with much more ease that's what I meant

Well. That's a tough one. I would say all primaries without OCs underperform more than you would think or want from them. But at the end of the day you'll still be using your full kit, not just primary. It comes off to how each person builts their engineer. I have loc-1 with exe OC modded fully for damage, min window, min locks; run out of ammo pretty fast but still it's the best gun and oc combo for doing extremely good DPS and have it dedicated mostly for high value targets. 2nd is breach cutter with balanced OC with electricity and modded 1-1-1-1-2(if I remember correctly) main horde killer. It's my main and only build(for now) but I got with it through up to gold promotion and in 95-96% of games I was top by kill count (and yeah, I constantly forget about my turrets). Still will be figuring out voltaic smg and a shotgun at a latter date when I get my Fat Boy OC for grenade launcher(it's the last OC I don't have for engi :

Cycle overload for the Warthog and Volatile Impact Reactor for the shard diffractor. You got yourself the bread and butter. One only for single target and the Shard diffractor for herd,long range target, heat trap etc :)

Short, sweet, and to the point. Good video bro

I'm glad someone knows the feeling, like I've used the shard defractor (also known as the SUPER LASER PISS) As my primary ngl, because his primary's are just kinda...eh plus with his new grenade and turret are super great for support which o believe is his primary role, although I feel his shotgun is the best primary weapon

Imo the Lok1 is in a fine spot as far as damage output goes, really helped by the fact its remarkably good at hitting mactera in their weak points and wiping out otherwise annoying to hit enemies like swarmers and naedocytes. The other two do feel like they dont really properly come into their own at least until you get them some OCs. I rarely use the shotgun myself, but my go-to stubby build is an ammo build focusing on using the turret aoe OC (whose name escapes me) and does do the job well enough.

Engi was the class I started playing this game with, and I recently got back into playing it about a couple weeks ago. I've promoted him and unlocked every weapon with at least a full suite of upgrades for each, and I've gotten a feel for his playstyle through both solo and general multiplayer. Engi feels to me like the backbone of the team, setting up his autonomous turret(s) to hold down areas and using the platform gun for reliable traversal and setup for other dwarves' skillets like Gunner and Scoot. As a general rule, the load of his damage kit is focused on one thing: dealing with swarms of grunts and medium glyphid units. Engis weapons, while absolutely capable of damaging and killing larger enemies, are not suited for such kills, as they often take more ammo than is worth it outside of solo play. The class grenade is the only reliable means of putting larger glyphids off course, which allows heavy hitters to deal with them more reliably. The primary weapons are strong enough to allow the Engi to fend for themselves, but not be so strong as to make the choice of them mandatory for success. Power is spread evenly between the turret(s), primary, heavy, and utility of the Engi, making them very well rounded, which can be said for basically all the dwarves. And the choice of what you prefer in a weapon is absolutely available for thought in any player. The Warthog is a workhorse shotgun, and always reliable. The Stubby provides ammo capacity and utility in an easy to use package, with a lot of flexibility between damage and sheer volume of bullets. The Lok-1 is a great weapon for sheer damage output, allowing some of the best DPS in class at a severe cost in ammo capacity. Secondaries are a bit harder to justify. Each unlock exceeds the last in terms of usefulness based entirely on design and ammo capacity for damage. GL is a great weapon because it's a massive blast radius with high damage. But it's outclassed by the line gun because the line gun does as much damage to multiple targets with more ammo at less risk to your allies. Which then the line gun gets out classed by the Shard Diffractor because the laser has even more ammo, never needs to be manually reloaded, has perfect accuracy and instant damage output with a lot of damage involved because of the reliable burn and a constant ticking of damage. And because it does a small amount of damage over many ticks, it does less overall damage to allies if you accidentally tag them with it, and you can adjust your aim to miss them entirely thanks to the small laser pointer of death. Might I also say it can be modded to absolutely delete armor off enemies? It has some of the most reliable armor shredding I've ever seen. Shard Diffractor cannot be topped by just about any weapon in this game, only matched by the freaking Cryo cannon in terms of power and usefulness.

I have a similar problem with miner's secondary weapons. Subata and wavecooker feels underwhelming and I can't find a satisfying playstyle with plasma charger. Can anyone suggest some fun builds to fix my problem?

@TheBarser

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the problem is that after you master the epc it is just so much better than the 2 others. But I try to use all guns.

the way I use engie's primaries makes them my favorite primaries in the game (aside from stubby, I ain't touchin' that with a ten foot pole, it feels ass to use imo) by just equiping MPA (magnetic pellet alignment) on the warthog to just pop the heads of grunts and unload into weakpoints of larger bugs, it feels great, and the best feeling way to use the Loki is with ECR (explosive chemical rounds), same idea but more for crowds and only firing bursts of 3 at tanky bois. (to clarify I play on haz 5 almost exclusively, solo and with groups, and I consider myself skilled enough that I can just go for what FEELS best/most satisfying, rather than just what's most effective so I don't use the breach cutter, cuz it might technichally be the best secondary (or at least i've seen many who think it is) but it doesn't have the same OOMPH as the GL or the pure GHWEEEEERRR of the lazer)

My only problem with them is that ECR Lok-1 outclasses all of his other primaries in crowd control by such a significant margin that I always end up using the Lok-1 and never his other primaries because all of his secondaries are so much more flexible

@aquapotato..

Жыл бұрын

yeah the lok is pretty much straight up better than all the other primaries but the lok is much harder for new players and it generally needs some skill which is why fewer people use it. i mean than again after like 350h of the game i pretty much cycle though out every gun in the game even if they are worse because unless im playing haz 6x2 the game is easy enough that u can use what ever u want and do fine. and tbh i like cycle overload for elimination more then lok anyway.

@gabrielharris974

Жыл бұрын

I agree, engie has so many other crowd options, it almost feels redundant to spec his primary for crowd stuff too

I only recently unlocked the Lock-1 and I feel like it's a really nice way to take out big groups of swarmers and jellyfish, but only when they're at a distance. It feels like if I get surrounded, by jellyfish especially, I'm kinda toast. Their electric effect prevents you from creating distance and having to wait for the lock on, and not being able to lock on to very many at a time (due to them being close and all around you) makes it pretty hard to get out of the swarm. I feel like other weapons are more efficient and able to deal with them (I'm pretty much just talking about jellyfish at this point) more consistently.

Something I’ve noticed when just recently staring to use engineer is that there’s not a lot of things to kill tanky enemies. The nade launcher and breach cutter are great for swarms of grunts so ideally I’d have a high dps but single target primary for the bigger guys, and that’s where it feels lacking. Btw I’m still a green beard so let me know if one of the primary’s can shred the big guys, I’d love to take advantage of that.

Heya, Serket the Baby Engie from last year here. I’ve played a lot more and have obtained a bunch of overclocks for all of Engie’s weapons now. Here’s how I feel about the primaries. Warthog: The middle of the road. It’s reliable, but it’s reliably middling. The best I’ve ever done with it was full-auto at point blank in a Praetorian’s rear. In that specific scenario, it will kill in a regular sized clip. The best thing to really be said about this weapon is that it can sometimes oneshot grunts at point blank, using 1/6th of a magazine. Stubby: The weakest of the three (I have the fewest overclocks for it as well). It doesn’t excel in any category I’ve tried it in. Electric DoT just isn’t that damaging, and is best used for slowing down targets. The best I’ve ever done with it was in a Critical Weakpoint mission, with the +30% Weakpoint Damage upgrade. It was good, I felt. Since then I’ve learned that anything is good on Critical Weakpoint missions. This is Engineer’s worst gun in any slot in my opinion. Lok1: The best of the bunch. To what the Shotgun flaunted earlier, being able to one tap a grunt at point blank, the Lok1 says it can do the same with 3 shots and Electric DoT, or 5 shots and no DoT, through armor. That’s still under 1/6th of a standard 36 round magazine. With overclocks, this thing becomes more useful than you can imagine. Neuro Lasso slows down even Dreadnaught level enemies at effectively no cost. The Clean OC for Magazine size and Target Amount makes the gun a general use beast, capable of blitzing down anything up to a Praetorian. Then, we get up to the big names, and some of my least liked OCs; Executioner will just rip through an enemy’s Weakpoint, while Explosive Chemical Rounds is a straight damage upgrade in the form of an AOE if you play it right. With that said, both of these OCs chug ammo like no other, and are the reason I think the gun runs dry so fast. I don’t use them. The Lok1 is capable of burst damage to high value targets, taking out entire swarms of Swarmers, Exploders, or Shredders, and better yet you can finagle the bullet path to hit behind walls and armor alike. Of course, that’s if you’re not using my new favorite OC. I don’t remember what it’s called, but it allows you to shoot through walls. This ignores terrain and armor alike, the two areas this weapon can suffer. Because it ignores armor, the damage per shot gets better, meaning it can save you ammo as well. This gun is definitively Engineer’s most powerful weapon in any slot, at least in my opinion.

The Stubby is my engi workhorse if I'm single playing. With a crew, I use the smart gun and focus on Mactera and position control. Also in missions that involve a lot of position defense (Salvage, Sabotage) I may used the EMP whip which allows me to focus on high value targets.

@ReapeeRon

Жыл бұрын

Stubby is nice for that.

Stubby is so underrated. It has the kind of cool utility with em discharge and turret arc just like how the lok 1 has the lock feature. The warthog is just kinda underwhelming besides turret whip, and I still barely use that

I love the lock-1 with either executioner or neurolasso. I'm playing lock-1 with neurolasso and GL Fatboy with lure as a general purpose build and I think I'm reaping through ammo because I'm usually double or even triple the amount of bug killed than anybody. I'm usually out for turrets first and then lock-1. Had some fellow dwarves complained after my ammo consumption but they understand when they see the amount of bug killed.

I tend to use EM refire booster voltaic with max rpm when doing a run and gun engine build, like morkite or elimination. On point defense missions like salvage and point extract I dig in with ECR smart rifle. I consider both of those primaries very useful for their particular use. Never got the shotgun to work for me, I've tried all kinds of different builds but I felt like I underperformed every time I tried. It's a shame because I really like shotguns in videogames usually

I really hope lok1 gets a tap fire overclock. It could replace your tap shot with a 3 round burst that dose more damage and has a shorter delay between bursts, but you have less locks and it takes longer to lock

For new Engis without overclock as well as for greybeards: the turret whip mod in the shotguns tier 5 is an absolut must have imo. Makes handeling groups and praetorians so much easier

@russellfrancis813

8 ай бұрын

Turret whip is VERY good. Pretty flexible on which secondary you can pick as well. All of them work well.

I love the Lok-1 smart rifle and it's my go-to for any mission thats not about killing bosses, since it's weakness is being unable to blast weakpoints that the smart lock cant lock onto (and the turret doesnt really help against either). You can usually make up for this weakness with your secondaries, but I cant bring myself to ever leave the breach cutter behind, so I guess that's on me.

@poccer7722

Жыл бұрын

Feel the last part, I have my pgl set up as a grunt cleaner with rj250, its sooo convenient but kinda useless against everything but large groups

glad you brought this up, i thought i was the only one feeling this way

I'm a rj250 user. I'm a strong independant engie, i don't need no scout to reach high up minerals!

@ReapeeRon

Жыл бұрын

That is a really fun overclock.

@yummyherbicide7296

9 ай бұрын

More ammo than a pack rat could dream of and still killing groups

My favorite load out with eng is shotgun and breach cutter but dang it hurts not being able to clear distant targets.

@ReapeeRon

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that can be a bit rough at times, menaces can be rough.

Something overlooked with the Stubby is the electrical damage, with the somewhat recent buff to Electrified the damage over time is quite good paired with the massive 80% slow that it applies. The problem with it, and other DoTs, is the need for kiting mobs around while they're taking damage and not being sniped by other team mates incurring an ammo wastage. If you see a grunt is at 50% health and taking electric, fire, or poison damage over time, it's almost certainly safe to ignore them and just walk away from them.

I use the lok1 allot with explosive chemical rounds and the pgl with hyperprop. Using electro chemical rounds and electrifying+igniting something the lock one becomes very strong against single targets as well as crowd control. The only time I really feel myself burning through ammo too quickly with this build is when I am using my turrets poorly

@ReapeeRon

Жыл бұрын

That is really strong.

I thought the same yesterday and I looked for a video about it, I think it makes sense forcing you to learn to use the turrets, and I ended up finding myself with the Stubby ^^

@ReapeeRon

Жыл бұрын

Stubby is a nice choice!

I use the Stubby with the EM Refire Booster Overclock and the Shard Diffractor with the Efficiency Tweaks Overclock paired with the Shredder Swarm Grenade, Deep Pockets, Veteran Depositer and Resupplier Passive Perks, and Beast Master & Dash Active Perks. I use the Stubby as my primary because a Crowd Control weapon as it generates electric fields that applies the slow down electric effect on multiple grunts, paired with the EM Refire Booster Overclock that increases the Fire Rate, Electric Damage, and Spread which overall makes it better at Croud Contol, while the Fire Rate makes applying the Electricuted status effect a lot faster. as for Mods, I got Expended Mags and Increased Ammo while all the other mods benefit Electrical Damage. I prefer to use the Stubby as my form Croud Control over the Grenade Launcher or Breach Cutter because it removes AOE Friendly Fire towards my Squad and most importantly my Steeve. I use the Shard Diffractor as my secondary because It covers all the weaknesses my Stubby as, being poor Range and Single Armored Target Damage. I have the Nitrogen Vaporizer (Armor Break), Soft Tissue Disruption (Weakpoint Damage), and Hydrogen Rupturing Mods equipped, the Hydrogen Rupturing Mod makes it so the Shard Diffractor does 33% more damage to Electrified Enemies which all makes the Diffractor pair so well with the Stubby. As for my perks and choice in throwable, I like having multiple sources of "AFK Damage" so I can focus a bit more on gathering resources, doing the objective, building, repairing, or hacking while in combat scenarios. such sources of "AFK Damage" are my 1 or 2 Sentry Guns, Steeve Grunt Guard, and Shredder Drones. I have Veteran Depositer and Deep Pockets equipped because it increases my efficiency at gathering and depositing resources, which helps fortify my support role and Resupplier because I believe it's just the best Passive Perk in the game. The faster rate of Resupplying paired with the Increased Health and Magazines filled makes it so much more reliable to resupply during stressful situations, like fighting the Caretaker or clutching a Swarm. My whole Engineer Loadout focuses a lot on Support as I can deal damage and gather resources at the same time which benefits my team strongly.

@ReapeeRon

11 ай бұрын

Awesome, that is a fun build to run!

I play engi for a bit now. When fighting big guys with my friends like boss fights, I tend to try and focus the little guys so my teammates can focus strictly on the boss, I throw down a lure (dreadnought don't get lured) and than crowed control them with whatever the grenade launcher gun is called. Seems pretty effective and platforming areas and having that fall protection is amazing. Though I have messed up sometimes thinking the fall protection is endless (it's not, you'll still die if it's to far)

Amazing video, completely unrelated the cave with the litho phage in salt pits I swear I've been in that cave

I think the main complaint with engi should be that the weapons have a learning curve steeper than most other weapons in the game, learning to let your turrets take care of the hoard, learning to use your grenades to mop up bugs and keep them in LOS if your turrets, knowing the right time to switch to your secondaries to tear through a pack of bugs, also, the weapons themselves have a learning curve, Warthog you realllly want to aim for crits, where with most other shotguns you just want to hit meat shots, Stubby has less of a learning curve (and that’s why it’s kinda underpowered) when not considering overclocks but turret placement becomes really important when you do consider the two overclocks there, and LOKI has one of the steepest learning curves in the game, learning to pick out high value targets and get the most of your bullets can be really powerful, but it’s hard to do. Who would expect the Engineer to make you think?

i pretty much only use magnetic pellet alignment but that makes the warthog pretty much perfect. other overclocks may need a buff

Engineer is, without a doubt, not a single target class. It has single target weapons (shard diffractor, arguably breach cutter) but mostly shines vs masses of little stuff especially in entrenched positions. For example Stubby EM Discharge + Gemini + Plastcrete Catalyst Shard Diffractor or FatBoy PGL absolutely destroys salvage/escort missions because you can kill obscene numbers of bugs with your many sources of area damage even after the turrets are dry. I use this build substantially when playing with basically anyone that deals single target damage (i.e. a minigun/rocket gunner or hyper propellant/breachcutter engineer). I do switch to Seeker Rounds Lok1 for all other mission types though, much easier to avoid the long setup times and better ammo efficiency vs dreadnought and caretaker. That said, I don't think engy is ammo inefficient, I would actually argue the opposite, since normally the reason I'm taking resupplies more than my teammates is because *I'm killing almost everything* and even then I rarely need a second reload from a given supply pod. Of course the instant we get like a bulk detonator or something similarly bullet spongey I struggle but that is what team is for.

Lok1 (ECR & 21111) & Shard (VIE & 31111) is my all around engi build. Can handle swarms well (ecr) and melts things at range (hit w lok1 to add electric effect then hit w shard to melt). Absolute snipes things at range.

I've always rolled with Warthog with minishells and 40mm with hyper propellent after I saw it in your build video. The Warthog clears stuff well at close and medium ranges and I can even shotgun stuff at long range fairly well, it also takes me a long time to run out of ammo with that OC. Making the 40mm basically a railgun means I can dish out serious damage to single targets like praetorians and up and the shotgun takes care of everything else. Still not sure on the best upgrades to take with the Hyper propellent though

I play 3 engie builds, and they use all weapons available. Main build uses Lok-1 + Breach Cutter and can be used for every mission, but it was designed for Eggs, Salvage, Mining Expedition and other kinds of "common" missions. Lok-1 provides AoE and long-range, while Breach Cutter shreds through stronger enemies and large waves. Dreadhunter build uses Shard Diffractor to kill bosses and enemies at long range, while Warthog quickly fends off everything when I'm swarmed. And finally, the nuclear build - Grenade Launcher [obviously with Fat Man] and Stubby with all the ammo mods it can take to offset deficit of ammo caused by Fat Man. This build exists because Industrial Sabotage is such annoying mission that Fat Man makes much easier to complete faster. Each one of primary and each one of secondary weapons of engie offers a solution for different problems, and all find their usage. I think Engie has the greatest variety of available builds, so also extremely high flexibility and adaptability. It's okay that his primaries are somewhat boring, because their task is to provide reliable source of damage, while his secondaries are meant to truly shine.

I agree a lot with what most people have said here in that engis primaries feel more supplementary to his kit as general purpose self defense weapons, where your turrets make up for more DPS and your secondaries are there for the big swarms or hvts, which can sometimes be in contrast to the other classes, mainly driller and gunner (with some build exceptions) whose main weapons very much are the focal point of their damage against swarms/hvts. That said Loki feels horrible to use because yes it doesn't have a whole lot of ammo or feel ammo efficient, which don't get me wrong you can get around with experience and practice with it, but it doesn't help the weapon, but also you have to spend so much time locking on or setting up the right amount of locks on targets which is almost counter intuitive to a fast past Horder shooter like DRG. I think the gun needs a re-work to make the lock on instant, with some sort of mechanic that still comes into play so you still have to actually play the game. Or scrap the lock as a whole, tbh I always felt like that mechanic would've made more sense for the gunners new rocket launcher. But at the very least some changes would be appreciated

Stubby was the reason I could run tier 5s, electrocution build like you were saying and breach cutters because I love my triple shot

I like to build the stubby to increase accuracy and damage, basically turning it into a shittier version of the GK2. Very consistent damage even from medium range (20-30m), and tears through grunts with headshots.

@ReapeeRon

Жыл бұрын

Cool!

The stubby overclock that makes turrets burst purple lightning saves me all the time ngl

i usually played the warthog 12222 with magnetic pallet allignment and a breachcutter ammo bulid ( 11123- light-weight cases). you can oneshot netspiders on the other side of a cave. super high damage, but you gonna need good and fast aim because of the low ammo of the warthog. as for the breach cutter, just send it everytime you see more than 4 enemies in your closer range. also you can stun bigger enemies easyly with it to then pick out with that precision shotgun. this is the only bulid out of all 4-clases im able to have more kills than the entire rest of the team. acually got that mulitiple times on that bulid. mostly HAZ-4. to be said, this is a bulid for the sweat's.

my thing with the LOK1 rifle is that i feel that i'm not able to do enough damage, I feel that no matter what there's still just so many enemies around me and they have barely taken any damage

I play engi with two builds, big game hunter and crowd control. Stubby- hydrogen cell- Lazer or chem rounds with electric bonus on Loki. For cc I do micro shells max ammo and fire rate but I take turret whip+ extra reserves because you get good value, with ssgs and packrat + fire gpl

Engineers get twice the kill count of any other class in pretty much every game I ever played. I run Executioner LOK, Breach Cutter with returning rays for hordes and Shredder Swarm Grenades for personal protection. Yes, I may tend to spend ammo a little bit faster than everybody, but I feel that I'm using it way more efficiently than any other class.

@calebnewell5032

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, this video is for the 8 year olds that just want to point and shoot. Engi is the most efficient killing class in the game. The notion that anything about the class needs to be “buffed” is ridiculous.

In addition to the flexibility you mentioned, I would add as an engineer main that he has the greatest number of combos with weapons. Almost all of his weapons interact with his other weapons/turrets, or have increased damage when stacked on effects from other weapons. Things like using the stubby to proc shock damage on a bug then finishing it with the diffractor, or using turret whip to get better ammo efficiency from his turrets, or using the BC to set a target on fire so the LOK can do better damage, or exploding platforms with the SD for massive CC... Even without playing smart, engineer gets top kills almost every mission, so it's hard to argue that he needs a buff. A good engineer can double the gunner's kills by playing to the strengths of all engineer's tools.

The Smart Rifle is an absolute beast in an executioner setup. I'm only ever coming close to running out of ammo if I'm getting really unlucky with enemy spawns or playing badly. It takes a bit of getting used to, but once you've mastered it, no bug can come within 40 meters without getting its weak points split open.

The main problem with Engineer is that his turrets have no fucking ammo reserves. You get 1-2 engagements, and then you have to hit up the resupply (and a double dip, at that). They need to at least double the ammo reserve for his turrets, so that you can go 3+ swarms without resupplying (and comfortably so) like the other three classes. Alternatively, improve the turret AI so that they only fire at enemy weak points (and just simply do not fire if they can't hit a weak point), which would accomplish the same thing for their ammo economy.

I run LOK-1 (11312) with Executioner , it really blows through big bugs on a full weakpoint lock. I also run the PGL (11132) with RJ250 which gives me huge mobility (great with lazy/green scouts) AND great wave clear with a lot of ammo (18!), but preferably I'm setting up my turrets (I run 2 Gemini vs chungus) and kiting bugs through it

Get EM refire booster on stubby and go for heads. It can chew through pretty much anything and has a really good amount of ammo. Then use your secondary for bigger groups/guys

I think the Engineer's primaries are pretty good, but the only problem I have is my own understanding of how to use them to their strengths or how to know what role they play how to learn what they're best at doing with the rest of his kit. (it's part of the reason I want a Firing Range so I can practice with his full kit without having to do it in the field, because raw numbers on the equip menu doesn't portray what the weapons are good for.) So the only thing I'd want changed, is to have new ways to learn about the kinds of roles the dwarf's weapons fill, inside the game itself (I.E. in game, and not have to look up what the roles they best fit are). I'm sure an addition like that would help a good chunk of greenbeards and even grey beards like myself who still struggle sometimes

@ReapeeRon

Жыл бұрын

A firing range would be great and the community has been asking for one for the longest time. It would make it easy to test builds.

The engineers smg is rly good if you add weakspot upgrades on it cos you can use your secondary for crowd control and the smg for big targets like oppressors

I like the stubby a lot, there's really not a situation where it's bad to use except for maybe long range stuff which is easily offset by running the shard diffractor or rj250 to get in close. It hits like a fucking truck if you build it for crit spot damage. It's also a really great support weapon if you use the electricity build as you can slow things down to a crawl and pretty much negate any threat that a bulk detonator or oppressor might pose to the team while the more damage oriented classes take care of it. It's a good jack of all trades type weapon.

I don't know, the Lok-1 Smart Rifle equipped with Explosive Rounds (every enemy with 3 locks triggers an explosion on the last shot) is surprisingly great. That paired with the Hyper Propellant PGL for high health targets and weak point destroying makes for a setup that generally works for all but the most hectic of hazard 5 games. Granted, I play in 2 person games, so the swarms aren't scaled up to 4 player.

Meanwhile me running around like a dingis battle engineer when freebird and dance of the dreadnaught starts playing

Engie's primaries are fantastic, I don't know what anyone is going on about. And except when I was brand new, I rarely ever have ammo difficulties with Engie. What with turrets, nades, and teammates, I rarely feel much strain on my primary or secondary ammo, unless I'm running an anti-Dreadnought build or Fat Boy.

I actually kinda love engi’s primaries as well. They’re not super powerful, but I have a lot of fun using them

There's a pretty good looking mod for the lok-1 called the not so smart rifle which removes lock on and makes it more of a precision rifle

Shotgun with mini bullets OC is my favourite. It even gets 12 shots in the mag and one shots grunts.

my interpritation is that you are meant to be using your primary while fighting alongside your turret, keeping it loaded and supplimenting its damage because the combined damage of your primary and a sentry on 1 target is a lot and the croud clearing of your primary on one target and your sentry on another is also a lot

Engi's primaries are single target weapons, which makes sense as his secondaries, turrets, and SSGs can take care of swarms

Sorry for little side track here, would you mind consider making a video about the best / efficient load out for each class for Industrial sabotage plz. Since dev really love them especially Driller. Cheers

@ReapeeRon

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like an interesting idea.

Eh Engi has the breach cutter, which means the primary has to be underwhelming or the class would be OP. Breach cutter has so much crowd clear and crowd control with quick deploy + stun that also having a spammable ammo efficient primary would simply make other classes redundant. Basically Engi is a force multiplier. He works well with Scout placing platforms and providing swarm clear, he works well with Driller by constructing terrain where the Driller can take it away, and he works well with Gunner by providing burst damage, either single target or AOE. In all cases, he supports the other dwarf and makes him more efficient comparing to going at it alone. Engi's weaknesses are a lack of a "get off me" button outside of lures and breach cutter's quick deploy + stun, his ammo efficiency which steers him towards more of a supporting role, and his reliance on being set up with turrets and platforms already down when the swarm comes, and when he's caught with his pants down he's pretty vulnerable. Play Engi right and you can carry really hard, top the scoreboards (at least when the Driller's sleeping), solo haz 6 2x, do whatever you want to do, but you will rely more on your secondary than your primary, and for most situations you'll need to think of breach cutter as your primary and your actual primary as just single target damage. Of course this assumes you're a filthy breach cutter spammer like me. Remember, when in doubt, you're not spamming breach cutter hard enough. Spam harder. For primary, try shotgun with magnetic pellet alignment, or lok with executioner. If you're not running breach cutter for some reason, lok with explosive chemical rounds when you need more AOE. For stubby, its utility is limited outside of turret arc or turret em discharge, but those 2 overclocks make stubby viable. Last note has to go out to my fellow high ping sufferers: lok, because of its charge-up mechanic, can get very glitchy on ping 100+, sometimes the game will drop inputs and not register and you'll be holding down charge and nothing is happening, and by sometimes I mean a lot of the time. So with high ping, forget it, just play shotgun with pellet alignment, except in industrial sabotage where you really do need the extra range. Lok is more for ping under 50, but maybe if you're blessed with a functional connection and a friend group that doesn't live half the world away you'll have a better time. And of course forget playing Driller with awful ping, trying to animation cancel axes on ping 120+ with severe packet loss is like trying to scale a skyscraper made out of wet soap when you have no hands. It ain't gonna happen. Maybe with a macro, but that's kinda cheating.

As an engie regularly running haz 5 on their own or leading less experienced dwarves, I can't see myself using anything other than the ammo efficient DPS/CC work horse that is the Stubby. Especially since I unlocked EM Refire Boosters. It really feels like the only thing holding it back is the user's ability to aim the dang thing since it can be hard sometimes under pressure. It saves ammo on weaker targets and can shred if you need it to. I've always felt alone on this for some reason though, even though it's proven its worth time and time again for me. I too often find myself struggling at range or with ammo on the shotgun, or getting annoyed sweeping for targets on the LOK-1. Again this is with dwarves who aren't as experienced and may not be playing optimally (killing enough bugs to counteract the enemy-per-player multiplier for example), but I seriously value its well roundedness, which also sums up why I play Engie in the first place.

my biggest issue with the LOK-1 is that it has zero interaction with the sentry. Turret whip on the shotty and both of the studdy OC make them work with the class ability lok1 is just in a weird spot for me.

Only problem I have with Engineer's primaries in particular is the ammo economy. He's up there with Scout for running out of ammo before the other two dwarves. That being said, I exclusively run the stubby with the EM refire booster overclock to mitigate low ammo reserves. The stubby turns into a tap fire stun gun; never holding the trigger down. This way you're primary is more of a 80% slowdown gun, and less of a "I need to delete this bug with my low ammo pool shotgun/lok". Letting bugs die to electric DoT gives good sustain. Slap on whatever perks/OCs that are boosted by electricified enemies (looking at you, shard diffractor) and you'll be a bug stomping machine. Engineer's primaries are really ment to complement his kit through synergies, and for self defence pinches. Most of the time your turrets and secondaries will be used for general clearing or total damage. The primaries are their to get those tools setup. Besides reworking the shotgun to single shot grunts in the head without perks/OCs and giving lok way more base ammo I don't see too many problems with the primaries. They do their job, that job just isn't as straightforward as say, a Gunner's primary.

I feel like the only engi primary i see there being an issue with is the Stubby. The lok1 and warthog easily blow through most targets even with the "ammo tightness", but the stubby feels like you're shooting blanks even with the electricity. Not so much that its weak, but just that it doesn't feel incredible to use. I feel like if they bumped the base damage just a tiny bit it may feel more impactful.

@TheBarser

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I think the stubby is fine

His primary weapons shouldn’t be strong. His secondaries are huge wave clears, and his sentries are good sustained support. His primaries are pretty much for taking out a few stragglers too keep yourself alive

Everyone sets expectations for gameplay functions, but in reality every tool has upsides and downsides it's just up to us as players to find the uses.

@ReapeeRon

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That is a very good way to put it.