That clip of the Angels announcer is so savage and brutal. I love it

@jeremykayy

Ай бұрын

This one is the best I’ve heard in awhile. Absolutely scorched

@dividebyher0

Ай бұрын

S/O to Wayne Randazzo who just graduated the Mets' Gary Cohen/Howie Rose.learning tree to become a badass for the Angels.

@nealsecrist6448

Ай бұрын

Wayne Randazzo the 🐐

@67L48

Ай бұрын

Except that he's wrong about the NBA. I still remember when the Houston Rockets posted official stats from a game that would have made Olajuwon have a quadruple double (more rare than a perfect game in MLB). League office took a harder look and took away an assist, leaving him with 9. No quadruple double. A few weeks later, Olajuwon got a legit quadruple double. But, at the time, nobody knew he'd do it again (no person ever has), so it was a big deal when the league office got involved.

Being an Angels fan is rough enough without the extra gut punches like that. Credit to Nolan though, he handled it like a pro and isn't dwelling on it. He says he's focused on bigger things.

@mikayocc

Ай бұрын

Nolan is such a good kid. It's amazing how someone so young can have such a better attitude then Old Man Rendon. Rooting for Nolan to get another hitting streak going!

@garbagedidudirty

Ай бұрын

Is it ok as an angels fan for 20 years and from Anaheim that I’m switching to the giants now ?

@itsvs286

Ай бұрын

@@garbagedidudirty lol do what ya gotta do. All the sports teams I like always seem to be bad, so I'm used to it. 😂 As long as you're not switching to be a Dodgers fan.

@garbagedidudirty

Ай бұрын

@@itsvs286 I had to hop off the angels when they lost the best baseball player in the world to the dodgers. I would never be a dodger fan lol, I literally have the angels A tattooed on my body.

@mikayocc

Ай бұрын

@@garbagedidudirty I don't blame you at all, Carlos. I'm still pissed off and heartbroken about Shohei. Imagine if Moreno sold the team like he said he would, and we had competent ownership, what could've been... I can't buy tickets or spend money on the Angels until he leaves - which I HOPE is soon.

'He's better off letting the ball go by, since making the stop can hurt you by giving you an error instead of a single' is basically the thesis statement for how Jeter is a 4-time GG winner.

@6thwilbury2331

Ай бұрын

Exactly. Quite often, better fielders get charged for errors simply because they are skilled enough to get to balls that lesser players never come close to.

@DoritosClipz

20 күн бұрын

@@6thwilbury2331well if you’re able to get to it you should be able to make the play

@DoritosClipz

20 күн бұрын

If they get to a ball that most cant get to normally realistically 9 out of 10 times u won’t even have a chance to make the play. I guarantee you that most of the errors that he made were legit errors. For you to basically say that this was the only reason they were able to get jeter for errors is absolutely ridiculous

@Math.Bandit

20 күн бұрын

@@DoritosClipz Good thing that's not what I said, then. In fact I said the literal exact opposite, that judging by Errors makes Jeter look *much* better than he is, which is why a historically bad defender has 4 Gold Gloves.

@DoritosClipz

20 күн бұрын

@@Math.Bandit I was replying to this other guy that commented under you. But I don’t understand what you mean by how jeter looks much better then he is for making errors. What do you mean by that?

Quality breakdown on the Shanuel play. I guess I am a nerd. Shout-out to Mounty who has become an excellent defensive first baseman.

I really like the formats of these. I trust Jimmy to find the most interesting topics from the previous weeks, and he has just been delivering with these. I also really like how he has gone a little deeper in these videos than they do in a normal talking baseball video because it gives you a little separation between the two if you want something that goes a little deeper into baseball.

Started watching Jomboy about 4-5 years ago, hadn't been big on baseball before that. Now I've got a job helping a AAA clubhouse. Always love the videos👍

@sheldonanderson3809

Ай бұрын

Congrats on the new gig!

Finally getting to sit down and watch this and comment along. Apologies for what will be a long post as there is a lot to unpack. (Ironically, I was scoring a game while watching this the first time around and didn't have time to really go through it.) • As others in the comments have already noted, yes, there CAN be a hit and an error on a play if the OS rules that 1) the batter first reached on a hit, then 2) either he or a preceding runner advanced another base on an error. Probably the most common example is a batter beating the throw on a ground ball, but then that throw eludes the first baseman, allowing the batter-runner to proceed to second. That example gets scored as a hit for reaching first, plus an error for letting him go another 90 feet. In the case of March 30, the play initially went in as a hit for Schanuel, then an error for allowing Drury to get to third. I think it should have stayed that way, but I'll break my reasoning down below. • At 7:48 When MLB or Elias alerting the OS: this is not for a judgment call, but rather a decision that violated the rules. So e.g. suppose a player was thrown out trying to advance on a wild pitch, and the OS scores the out as a caught stealing. MLB or Elias (or both) would see that as an incorrect application of 9.07(h) and have the decision corrected. It's kind of akin to the manager protesting a game. • At 9:29 Agree 100% that there should be an infielder on that panel for all of the reasons Jimmy states. There are far more errors and far more tough decisions regarding ordinary effort in the infield. (Coincidentally, I've been the OS for games with Otero and Blanco. Kinda makes me want to go through my records to see if I ever screwed over one of those guys on a call 😂.) Also: Blanco, Otero and Davis?? That's a lot of Bay Area representation. Those guys just couldn't wait to hose an LA player amirite? Shenanigans, I tell ya. • The first baseman (Mountcastle) making a diving stop was beyond ordinary effort. No thinking human will question that part. Thus, the side-by-wide analysis of the various ground balls at 13:50, while impressive, is irrelevant to the OS decision in the March 30 Angels-O's game. The decision to charge or not charge an error comes later in the play. • At 12:13, LeMahieu did not get charged with an error, and rightfully not (DET @ NYY, Sept. 7, 2023, top 4th). Perhaps it was initially scored as an E3 but yeeesh... that would be BRUTAL. LeMahieu is throwing from his knees, which is awkward enough, plus he's throwing to a pitcher (Rodon) who was a little late covering. Fortunately, that one is now in the books as a hit for Carpenter. • The 12:28 clip (KC @ CLE, Apr. 6, 2018) is tough but I think an E3 is correct. Cuthbert makes a nice stop to glove the ball. But once he does, he has plenty of time to throw, especially with how much time he has. Yonder is not even halfway to first at the time Cuthbert sets his feet. Thus, making a good throw is well within ordinary effort, and failing to do so is where Cuthbert gets dinged with the error. There's an argument for charging Duffy for the error under 9.12(a)(3), but the OS apparently figured the preceding throw superseded it. IMHO: I can absolutely see the argument for an E1 A3 on the Shanuel grounder, but I agree with the MLB Scoring Changes account operator in that I would have left it as a hit for Schanuel, with an E3T to account for Drury's advance. Here's why: 1. Mountcastle's stop of the grounder is way beyond ordinary effort, so no error there (obviously). Again, no one doubts this part. 2. Mountcastle had to throw off his knees, starting almost parallel to the ground with his back turned away from the bag. Thus, throwing Schanuel out is beyond ordinary effort, which means no E3 when it comes to the batter-runner being safe 3. Once Mountcastle decides to throw, Baumann is forced to catch an ankle-biter toward his left shin while he's running to his right. I'd say this is also beyond ordinary effort, but I'll admit I've only seen the high home angle. Maybe the Davis/Blanco/Otero panel had other camera angles that made Baumann's play more clear. Still, it strikes me as a tough error to charge, and the benefit of the doubt goes to the batter, per 9.05(a).

Highest and lowest pitches hit is fantastic Jimmy. Keep them coming. Stuff like that is fun

The error was initially given because Drury advanced to third. He took an extra base due to the misplay. Someone has to take an error regardless of whether or not Schanuel gets a hit.

@ru40342

Ай бұрын

The question is about whether Schanuel gets a hit. That's the main point.

@sfan2767

Ай бұрын

@@ru40342 yes, but this comment is critical to explain why a single AND error are both possible on the same play. If nobody advanced further it either has to be a straight hit or a straight error, not combination.

@GymAndSun

Ай бұрын

That’s why it was a hit and error. Never needed to be changed from that

@sfan2767

Ай бұрын

@@GymAndSun Interestingly if there hadn't been a baserunner to get an extra base and require an error, this is probably scored a hit and nobody changes or appeals the scoring.

@PlaySA

Ай бұрын

I'll be honest I don't see that as a hit. It was a nice diving stop but it was a ground ball that many if not most times becomes an out.

This is quickly becoming my new favorite baseball series on this channel. Great job. It embraces and brings back the early days of Talkin baseball where you all were just dive in on some random stuff.

This is amazing analysis. Well done. There's no one better in breaking down plays and explaining. Well done.

The Scoring Changes Twitter account made an error. Alvin Dark played from 1946-1960, and the record holder at 47 straight to start a career is from Alvin Davis.

@GratefulInRecovery

24 күн бұрын

Yes, Seattle first baseman.

This is the deep dive/nerdy stuff about baseball that I love, keep it going!

Please keep up the three things! It’s so fun!

5:30 the error is for letting other runners move up on the drop, single for him getting to first base

This is a FANTASTIC series that you're doing with these

Luckily for the Mariners France is an everyday player. He missed a series on paternity leave and the rest of the team can’t hit so he isn’t getting many ABs.. Big fan of this segment!

@ShawnnyPerkins

Ай бұрын

It's rough being a Mariners fan rn. It's not like it's chaotic baseball yet. They just suck. They struggled in the first two series because they were breaking ball Pitchers, but then they got to play Brewers and now are against Toronto, where they noticed that THEY CAN'T HIT BREAKING BALLS. Been the issue for 4 years. Mariners just swing at every box below the zone.

@medarby3066

Ай бұрын

Always gets on Base. Or "AGOB" What me and my buddy nicknamed him last season.

@medarby3066

Ай бұрын

​@ShawnnyPerkins as a Nats fan who is freinds with a Mariners fan, i just wanna say: everyone Calm down. Its April 10th. 😆 😂 😅😅

@trevorjones2556

Ай бұрын

@@medarby3066 Agree that it’s too early to give up on the season (Julio showed how to turn it around last year) but that doesn’t change the reality of their collective ABs 12 games in.

I really like this concept. Brings the Chanel back to its roots but with a format. Really cool. Good work.

MORE OF THIS PLEASE I LOVED THIS BUT I ALSO PUT MY HAND UP WHEN YOU DID NERS ROLL CALL

wow I am loving these deep dives, first the investigation into the Mets double plays and now this. good stuff

For the highest and lowest pitches I think you want to change the "group by" setting in the search. Otherwise the "plate Z" value that's displayed in the table (the value you're using to sort the list) might be the average of all pitches they hit, not the highest or lowest individual pitch. It turns out that Vazquez hit is only the 28th lowest so far this year.

@PowderhornWild

Ай бұрын

Interestingly, the lowest pitch put into play was -0.26ft (hit into a groundout off the bounce) :D

@wingracer1614

Ай бұрын

Knew something was wrong because Albies hit one way lower than that last night.

It would really cool to see that quality at bats list at the end of the season! Great video, loving these deeper breakdowns for real.

The Cardinals had a shortstop for 4-5 years in the late 00s named Brendan Ryan (who I think made a pit stop at the Yankees for a few years later in his career!) who was a fantastic defender with great range. He had a few seasons > 3 defensive war, which of course you love to see from your SS. I remember this happening with him a lot, where he would sometimes get dinged with an error on a ball that maxed his range and the best he could do is knock it down or not make the throw. But 90% of short stops wouldn't have even gotten to the ball and it would have gone to the left center gap for a potential double, so essentially he was getting punished despite the fact that he was making an extra-effort play that prevented an extra base.

@djbongwater

Ай бұрын

brendan ryan, what a name-- loved that guy, he had some hustle too, i remember him blooping out a few infield hits in key spots-- go cards!

@sheldonanderson3809

Ай бұрын

Mariners legend Brendan Ryan!

@dungeonmasterv

Ай бұрын

Andrelton Simmons would probably agree with you too. 😄

i love all 3 of jimmy's 3 things today

Love these Jimmy. Do miss you on Talkin’ Baseball though.

these behind the scenes are amazing jimmy, good insight

Haven't watched Jomboy in a long time, and I don't know if this is kind of a new type of video he's doing but I hope it continues. I really enjoyed this video and would like to see more like it throughout the season

This is incredible analysis thank you Jimmy

I love these detailed deep dive comparisons. ❤

I LOVE this longer form content 👏🏼

Great video, love the deep dives

What software do you use to edit and make your breakdowns? Love the content and knowledge!

Awesome breakdown and analysis! On the replays (of the similar plays).....there is no chance DJ LeMahieu of Yankees got an error on that play since the pitcher was late covering the bag. That has to be a hit.

Really interesting to see five Angels on the PPA list. You'd expect that to translate with team statistics, right? They're sitting 12th in BB% (9.8%), 10th in K% (23.9%), and sit roughly league average in many other general hitting statistics. Yet, they're 2nd in team PPA (4.13), sitting behind your Yankees (4.14). These deep dives are a lot of fun

Love this series

I've missed ya jimbo! love when ya get nerdy

Love these videos Jimmy, nerd out Brother

Great job Jimmy! You could take this a dive deeper by talking to the hitting coaches of the teams that appear to be getting better. Angels!

love these vids!

love your research

Love this!! Please keep doing these deep dives!

Doing great journalism Jimmy!

100% agree with your deep dive on the Shanuel non-hit play. 2 things I’ll add though… Once Mounty makes the stop, the appeal committee might be saying that if he makes the throw and Baumann makes the catch, Shanuel would have been out by a half a stride. It took a great effort to just get to that ball which should make it a base hit, but just offering up another reason why they might have changed the ruling. TV broadcast have different delays between the CF camera and the other cameras. So I think the way you have the markers for bat contact and glove contact make a ton of sense and it gets the point across, however the camera delay between broadcast could be different. I think they should’ve just gone with the original ruling, it’s like everyone was trying to overthink an obvious base hit. Btw I love this series! Keep doing them Jimmy!

@6thwilbury2331

Ай бұрын

"It took a great effort to just get to that ball which should make it a base hit..." Problem is, that's only the first element of the overall play. The throw is the second element, and the player catching the throw is a third. If the players panel determines the second or third part of the play did not go beyond ordinary effort, then the error gets ruled on one of those parts. Obviously, this sucks for the fielder, who made a great play in the first place. And as Jimmy noted, it's why the error stat is so misleading for determining how good a defensive player is. A player who makes a diving stop but then flubs an easy throw will get charged an error. Meanwhile, a player who isn't good enough to get to the batted ball in the first place will not show up in the fielding stats at all.

this is an incredible deep dive

Jimmy, I have an idea for a video. Watching Vogelbach getting a double made me wonder if a player like Vogelbach has ever had a triple before. Doing a video on batters who end up with specific results that are like 1% chance, would be cool to see a breakdown. Don't know if it's possible, just throwing the idea out there

@thomasparkins6749

Ай бұрын

Foolish Baseball did a video about this exact topic! kzread.info/dash/bejne/h3yj1MaOfqjfkdI.html

i appreciate tf outta this.

I always love when you do pitch accuracy comparisons over on JM...overlays of pitch placement. Might be fun to see how accurate a pitcher when compared to the catcher's call.

You can have two scoring decisions one one play. The error is on the runner advancing.

love these vids

Can we petition for Jomboy to be the appeal committee? I feel like he put more work into this than the real committee did. 😆

How do you search for those specific kind of videos? lefty batters, dive to the right, hit distances etc...?

Mountcastle is a monster and he is having an amazing year so far. Clearly he should be rewarded for keeping this ball in the infield and not given an error.

I like Jimmy's 3 things. But I do wish Jimmy was on talkin baseball more :)

Great work. I didn’t know you can score a hit and issue an error.

@6thwilbury2331

Ай бұрын

They're different parts of the same play. A batter can reach on a hit, but then he or another runner could also advance farther due to an error. Example #1: batter hits a line drive to center field. Center fielder plays it on a couple of bounces, but bobbles it. The batter sees the bobble, and goes to second. The OS would rule that the batter reached first on a single, then advanced to second on an E8. Example #2: batter hits a slow ground ball to third. He beats out the throw, which sails over the head of the first basean. The batter then scrambles to second before the defense can retrieve the ball. The OS would rule a single allowing the batter to reach, then a throwing error allowing him to go to second.

Adding the position played to that spreadsheet would be super interesting.

What recording software do you use for these?

I know that entrance looked familiar! I was hammered in Omnia two weekends ago🤣🤣

Hey Jimmy, I absolutely love these. Idea for a deep dive - after watching Moncada go down. Why, over the last couple of years do all of the White Sox players seem to go down with leg injuries running, mostly to first base? There has to be some thing going on here. I’ve never seen players consistently get injured just running year after year the way this team does.

My coach Al always said, if that ball hits your glove and its dropped. You better pray it has a hole in it already because he about to make one and get you a new one.

To counter, if that's a hit than isn't every extraordinary catch a hit? Or at least count towards on base. What if they make make the throw? The only reason he reached base is an error. If somebody robs a home run you don't count it on the stats as a home run just because it required extraordinary effort. That should only matter to make hard plays not an error for the fielder

Love the deep dive! Re: quality at bats, Ty France had a baby, he’s not platooning 😊

Jimmy really love these videos man. The time and effort you put into these with everything else going on with the company is awesome. I look forward to this every week!

Pretty impressive for Schanuel to be chasing down that on base streak while simultaneously hitting 50% of the Mendoza line. 3:11

Awesome research on the error change, really sucks that happened and the worst way to have his streak end. No way that DJ play is an error dude never had a chance of being out

Maybe statistically the first two error calls fault the defense twice: the pitcher gets charged a hit and the first baseman is charged. It might be something super technical like not being able to "double-up/down" on stats.

Make sure you are using values in the spreadsheet and not a formula in that cell. If you want to see if it works quickly just copy and then right click "paste values". Then try to sort the table.

Thank you so much for making this. It might sound kinda dumb but the baseball world needs to hear about this story. It’s pathetic by the MLB

After taking your lowest pitch hit query and expanding the years to all available, looks like the lowest ball hit is actually Padres pitcher Daniel Camarena hitting a grand slam off Scherzer back in 2021. Pretty cool

It should be a single regardless of whether the first baseman caught it or not. It was a tough catch by the first baseman and a rocket shot to the gap.

@jmercer28

Ай бұрын

Even if he is out at first? Why is it a single if the pitcher drops it and not a single if he catches it?

@bwestby1

Ай бұрын

He wasn’t out at first. That’s the point. Obviously if he makes the play he’s out lol.

@6thwilbury2331

Ай бұрын

The tough catch at first is only the first part of the overall play. Scorers don't rule based on the totality of the play, we have to consider each element separately. It's all enumerated in the MLB Case Book.

@40johnson87

Ай бұрын

If you rob a HR do you think it should count on the stats? If the fielder doesn't make an extraordinary play its a HR

Does it count if you come up and Angel Hernandez calls the first two pitches strikes, even though they were a combined 3 feet outside and you're forced into a weak swing at a carpy slider?

Albies had one lower than that last night. He didn't hit it off the dirt but it was close

Jimmy is always in his element with his 3 things. So much better to see him be happy about talkin ball and nerding out for us compared to when he was doing talking baseball 3 times a week

The white balance is super funky on this video, almost like it was crushed down from HDR without clean tone mapping.

@Foggen

Ай бұрын

The MLB video looks fine, it's everything else. Weird!

Thank you... Schanuel was screwed but not by who we thought. And BO NAYLOR...thank you also for that recognition as a Cleveland fan who thinks Bo is incredibly underrated in his approach. I love Josh, but that's hilarious he's the other end.

I was at that Orioles/Angels game! Live, I felt it should have been a throwing error from the beginning. I am a HUGE Angels fan and Schanuel wasn’t cheated. The other examples aren’t comparable, even the Yankees’ play. The Oriole 1st baseman was CLOSER TO FIRST BASE because he was holding the runner from taking second base. The Yankee player was nearly twice as far from first base when he was in a position to throw the batter/runner out. FYI…You can have multiple scores on a play, especially with runners on base. That said, you cannot score a single base advancement with multiple scores. The original scored hit/error was a hit for the batter and error given that advanced another runner.

Not usually a commenter but wanted to share some insight as a someone who has taken a training session from an MLB official scorer and has been an official scorer at the college level. 1. Scorers are told that there is a separation between the field and the throw. Once the 1B makes a clean stop on the dive, the throw is evaluated separately so if the throw, which can be deemed fairly routine, is bad or if an on-target throw is clearly dropped, it can be an E3 on the throw or an E1 on the catch to allow the runner to reach 1st. 2. Full timing of the play would show that if the pitcher catches the ball, he beats the runner to 1st and the runner would be out so not completing the play created the runner to be safe. If they deemed the play beyond the diving stop to be routine, there’s merit for an error ruling. Very difficult to determine in full speed but slowing it down can help those determinations so if MLB is going to use slow mo replay to determine safe/out on the field, it has to be used to make the most accurate ruling on hit/error. Can absolutely see both sides, just wanted to add additional insight from someone who’s been trained.

@6thwilbury2331

Ай бұрын

Oh nice, a fellow OS! In your opinion was Mountcastle's throw and/or Baumann's catch beyond ordinary effort? I think they were but Baumann's catch is the toughest determination. My guess (or hope) is that players' panel had other angles that showed how catchable the ball was for Baumann. The high home angle looks like he was having to reach back and down toward his shin/ankle to catch it, all while running to his right. If the throw was higher than it appeared to us, or more centered, then I could see how they settle on an E1 A3.

@MLBScoringChanges

Ай бұрын

I was really surprised by the change personally as I thought it was not an ordinary effort play for Mountcastle to throw from his knees to a 6-5 moving target…I think it’s a single and a throwing error on Mountcastle and thought the first change by the scorer was correct. Additionally, I’m a scorer in NCAA and MiLB as well. Ironically after I took the test in 2022, I was asked if I had gotten the answers before hand. When I said no and asked why, they told me while once in a while they get a perfect score, no one had ever gotten one as fast as mine (I didn’t even pay attention that it was timed). So I have that going for me.

@swedishwaffle31

Ай бұрын

@@MLBScoringChangesdo you think it wasn’t a missed catch by the pitcher? I saw it as a great play and a good enough throw and the pitcher just missed it but I’m not as qualified as you.

Ty France went on paternity leave! And then got 3 hits when he came back

"i went and found..." always brings a smile to my face

Batting around. Is it nine batters sent to plate where 9th batter gets last out or is it 10 batters to plate in an inning? Discussed by AJ Pirzinski and other commentator (don't remember his name) who confused a protractor with a compass during broadcast trying to explain the definition of batting around. During Astros/Rangers game 4/13/24 during 7th inning after Astros batted around.

The error may not have been on the play at first. There were runners at 1st and 3rd. The official scorer has to account for every base that is advanced by every runner. If the runner at 1st took third because of the throw on catch, an error would be assessed to account for the base. The fact that the first baseman made a great stop on the ball is immaterial if there was time to make the play at 1st. It all boils down to whether there was time to make the out at first with ordinary effort AFTER the 1st baseman's initial dive. As a former HS coach, I can tell you that the pitcher covering 1st base is practiced often. They are not just pulling it out of their butt. It is drilled into them, especially in spring training. The 1st basemen on the team are also involved in the drill and they know how to lead the pitcher. This play is not a one off, let's improvise kind of play. It is DRILLED into every pitcher and 1st baseman. Simply put, all that matters is what happens AFTER the stop by the 1st baseman

No one goes into the weeds like Jomboy for content

Whose ever idea it was to put a little sepia tint over the documents is a genius. Love these videos but I felt like I just got done staring at an eclipse when they were over lol

Naylor brothers showed out on National Sibling day today!

They originally called it a single with an error because the runner at second went to third after the ball got away. You cannot score a hit AND an error for Schanuel on the same play. The error is in play for the just the base runner.

Ty France was out for a few games on paternity leave, probably the only Mariner that could make the quality AB list

Jomboy needs to be on that committee as an overseer

@6thwilbury2331

Ай бұрын

Id be down with that, but he first needs to read Rule 9 then the entirety of the MLB case books. His whole run on why there was a hit and an error called on the same play tells me he has never actually scored a game.

Could we get a Jomboy Media hosted Analytics course? Pretty sure I could become a beast at Excel/Sheets if it was focusing on baseball

That's a hit. Mountcastle made a great play to dive and get the ball, but then he has to throw it from his knees. It's either an error on him or Baumann, but honestly I don't think it should be an error on anyone. I think it should just be a hit. Look at the Hiura play. He goes for it but it bounces off of his leg; not an error because it wasn't a routine play. Mountcastle can't get an error because it's not a routine play. Baumann can't get an error because the throw is low and he's trying to get to the bag. In other words, it's just a Schanuel hit.

My question is, why does the error ruling end his on base streak? He still reached base on the play regardless, that's what I'm confused about.

@TalkinBaseball

Ай бұрын

yes errors dont count towards that

So, following on the quality at bats thing... modern pitchers don't throw as many pitches as they used to. I know pitchers tend to do worse each time through the lineup. I'm guessing that mostly is specific batters see more pitches rather than a pitching fatigue thing... but is it? Can you isolate it by pitch count instead, but do it in a way to sort out pitchers who have high pitch counts because they really just don't have good command on a day? So, with your 7 pitch at bat, once through the lineup that would give you a minimum of 63 pitches if everyone did it. How does a pitcher who throwing their 64th pitch of the night stack up to someone with fewer pitches facing the leadoff hitter for the second time? It would be interesting to see pitch counts charted against times through the lineup, but I'm not sure how to control for the fact that a pitcher who is just crazy wild is likely to struggle in general. How do you isolate a wild pitcher from a pitcher who is facing a patient lineup?

I think the rule should be, if you make an extraordinary effort to knock down a ball, you are free rolling to try to get the batter out. No errors possible unless the batter takes an extra base.

That was a hit. You can also have an error if a different player advances a base (there was a runner on first).

Just got to this video. Just wanted to point out on your Baseball Savant search, those are not the actual highest and lowest pitches hit for base hits. To get that, you need to select "Plate Z" under "Metric Range" in addition to the Included Stats. The lowest currently is 0.57 ft by Ozzie Albies (and yes, that one is quite impressive) The highest is 4.26 ft by Nick Fortes (funny enough, also against the Yankees)

Watching the play unfold, it appears that if the pitcher catches the ball cleanly, the batter is out. Great stop by the first baseman, but if his throw is on target, I believe the pitcher beats the runner to the bag. If the throw or drop results in the batter reaching first base safely, then you have to rule reached on error. I'm not a fan of changing the call days later though. If you cannot come to that determination that day, then leave the call alone.

Mets radio icon Wayne Randazzo for the win

Man, I just got PTSD of being at work when you were trying to get the Excel sheet to work. (I need a vacation)

I get the argument for both. But look at diving stops by 3rd basemen, shortstops, 2nd basemen where they make the play, gather, and miss a throw or the 1b doesn’t catch it. Are those still ruled singles, or errors because he has the ball caught and just has to make a routine throw. genuinely curious

@6thwilbury2331

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To answer your question: the different parts of a play are each considered separately when scoring. Example #1: a fielder makes a spectactular diving stop on a ground ball. Then he sets his feet, has time to make a play at first, but botches the throw. That would go in as an error - even though the initial stop was beyond ordinary effort, the throw itself is within ordinary effort. Example #2: fielder makes a spectactular stop, then has to throw across the body toward first. Despite this, he makes an accurate throw. But then the first baseman flat-out drops the ball. This will go in as an error to the 1B, with an assit to the fielder. Fielding the ball was beyond ordinary effort. Throwing the ball well was beyond ordinary effort. But the first baseman catching the throw IS ordinary effort. Hence the error. Example #3: fielder makes a spectacular stop, and has to rush a throw. The throw is off target for the first baseman, who can't catch it. This is likely a hit: beyond ordinary effort to field the batted ball, beyond ordinary effort to make an accurate throw, beyond ordinary effort to catch that throw. Of course, the play in question is somewhere between #2 and #3. The OS ruled that the pitcher should have caught the throw with ordinary effort. Personally, I think it's more like #3: the throw was behind the pitcher and low, which is even harder to catch when he's running.

Hit and catching error that was in his glove. Mountcastle made a great play I think the ending ruling is on the pitcher since it's a catch error which I am fine with that actually makes the most sense because the play was routine at that point. A hit-and-catch error is what it should have been.

@LWiedy

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While I agree I shouldn't be on Mountcastle, shouldn't be on the pitcher either. With having to take a throw on the run and also having to find the bag immediately after, the throw has to be better to fault the pitcher. Since we agree that's too much to put on MC then it's a pretty easy no error call on the batter reaching. Others advancing is another issue.

the angels announcer is 1000% right. i love him calling out the league

5:01The original call was a single and a throwing error, allowing the other runner to advance. Very common.