DEBUNKING 6 MOST COMMON COFFEE MYTHS: Feat. Chemist Dr. Samo Smrke

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Any of these surprising to you? Let's chat below!
And big hand to Samo who took the time out of his schedule to swing out and set some records straight! Time cues below.
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TIME CUES
0:00- Introduction
0:52- 1) Tamping too Hard?
2:21- 2) Fresh is Best?
4:52- 3) Brew with Boiling?
7:35- 4) High EY= Less Acidity?
12:48- 5) No Channeling is Possible?
17:22- 6) 9 Bar is Ideal?
20:50- TLDW

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  • @LanceHedrick
    @LanceHedrick10 ай бұрын

    Any of these surprise you? Hopefully some of them can actually help you improve your brewing and dialing in for a tasty coffee! And don't forget to smash that like button and subscribe if you haven't! Much appreciated.

  • @hifi2169

    @hifi2169

    10 ай бұрын

    Lance, OK I’ll hit the like button, but please tell me do you have a recommendation for Burrr replacement on my Eureka special 65 grinder that’s worth it, or should I save my cash????

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@hifi2169 save your cash!

  • @hifi2169

    @hifi2169

    10 ай бұрын

    @@LanceHedrick Thank You!

  • @BBB_025

    @BBB_025

    10 ай бұрын

    The Pressure as a static variable seems like fighting words. I am trying to reconcile that statement with all the flow/pressure profiling

  • @BBB_025

    @BBB_025

    10 ай бұрын

    Do one of these for Filter please!

  • @EmileeBryant
    @EmileeBryant10 ай бұрын

    Myth number 7: Lance actually sleeps …

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    That one will never be busted sadly

  • @flipper2gv

    @flipper2gv

    10 ай бұрын

    @@LanceHedrick Dumb question, have you tried going caffeine free?

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    Haha of course. Did 4 months no caffeine at all. No luck.

  • @flipper2gv

    @flipper2gv

    10 ай бұрын

    @@LanceHedrick :(

  • @BenjaminAbrams

    @BenjaminAbrams

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@LanceHedrickhave you tried drinking more caffeine 😂

  • @PhillipLangenkamp
    @PhillipLangenkamp10 ай бұрын

    Such an awesome video! I'm a chemical engineer and so much of what Dr Samo Smrke had to say resonated with my understanding of "fluidized beds" and general extraction principles. The fact that he has actual studies to backup the theories is really awesome! Lots of fun to watch and learn!

  • @keco185
    @keco18510 ай бұрын

    Hydraulic Press Channel needs to do some coffee tamping experiments

  • @alexwilson27
    @alexwilson2710 ай бұрын

    “Temperature and pressure don’t matter all that much!” *Greg Scace sweats nervously*

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    He been real quiet since this dropped

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    Lol

  • @theSnowpup

    @theSnowpup

    10 ай бұрын

    True, but consistency gives a ~consistent product. And that's what the Scace II is really useful for.

  • @pimacanyon6208
    @pimacanyon620810 ай бұрын

    great video! Thanks to Dr. Smrke for taking the time to come on the show, and thanks to Lance for putting together the list of myths.

  • @hectorgarza5842
    @hectorgarza584210 ай бұрын

    Enlightening! Great piece of information! Appreciated. Thanks a lot.

  • @erikngomez
    @erikngomez10 ай бұрын

    This was an amazing video. Thank you Lance!!

  • @jamesbrightman3997
    @jamesbrightman399710 ай бұрын

    Really interesting video! Thank you Lance and Dr Smrke!

  • @LimpNoodles13
    @LimpNoodles1310 ай бұрын

    Thanks for putting this together!

  • @FahimehKarimi-cy3up
    @FahimehKarimi-cy3up9 ай бұрын

    Thank you so much for making these videos. it was so cool and I've found the answers of some of my questions in this video. 🙏🏻❤

  • @ondrejmitas3325
    @ondrejmitas33259 ай бұрын

    Loved this fantastic video, so clear and informative, directly applicable!

  • @briers9
    @briers910 ай бұрын

    Loved this. Dr Smrke knowledge on this is fascinating. What a guy.

  • @kerrycoyle8930
    @kerrycoyle893010 ай бұрын

    I've watched hundreds of hours of Espresso / Coffee U-Tube videos and I think I enjoyed this one more than most all of the others... Thanks for sharing this with us today Lance.

  • @Cenot4ph
    @Cenot4ph10 ай бұрын

    very interesting, thanks. This is the kind of content that's not found elsewhere, appreciated Lance!

  • @torbenstegmuller329
    @torbenstegmuller32910 ай бұрын

    Such a great video. Loved the insight of Dr. Smrke! Now I feel a little smarter again :)

  • @stirfryjedi
    @stirfryjedi9 ай бұрын

    Lance, just want to say how much I appreciate it that you listed the six items, with timestamps, in the description. It's that kind of no BS approach that demonstrates you're the real deal.

  • @JusBThankful
    @JusBThankful10 ай бұрын

    Another great video Lance!

  • @2s_company_
    @2s_company_10 ай бұрын

    Love this video and his style of dumbing things down for us! Happy to see people with the know-how sharing information with us

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    Samo is the best!

  • @elleas231

    @elleas231

    10 ай бұрын

    @@LanceHedrick we love him!

  • @DanzilF
    @DanzilF8 ай бұрын

    This is my favourite type of content, full of information! Thanks Lance and Dr Samo.

  • @robertdavis7262
    @robertdavis72626 ай бұрын

    Really good job on both sides of the conversation. I learned a lot. Thanks!

  • @mr.ricochet8603
    @mr.ricochet860310 ай бұрын

    You talked about "fresh is best" in one of your last videos too and believe me you helped me a lot. I'm still kinda new to specialty coffee (about a year) and I was ALWAYS obsessed with roast date, to the point of missing out on good coffee because of that. After your thorough explanation I finally started to relax and I'm starting to obsess less and less over taste notes 😂

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    Definitely! So glad you enjoyed that video. Figured I'd bring it up again with an accredited scientist haha!

  • @TheTomsijoker
    @TheTomsijoker10 ай бұрын

    great explanations, thanks Lance and DR. Samo

  • @m4tth3wh
    @m4tth3wh9 ай бұрын

    Thank you Lance for the great video and for Dr Srmke spending many hours on helping better understanding on these points ❤ ☕️ 🙏

  • @joperez8003
    @joperez80039 ай бұрын

    Great video Lance. As your average consumer I can't say I notice or pay much attention to those myths, but it's very interesting to see how much work and research is done by yourself and other coffee experts/enthusiasts. Thanks for the hard work!

  • @MrNavyellis
    @MrNavyellis10 ай бұрын

    Great video my friend! I have learned much in this process!

  • @davidrogala7597
    @davidrogala75979 ай бұрын

    very cool to hear this point of view. thanks Doc and Lance

  • @GeelongVic7140
    @GeelongVic714010 ай бұрын

    Dr Samo Smrke scored a gaming winning goal with this excellent collaborative video. I truly learned a great deal. Thanks. Cheers.

  • @The_Catman_Dont
    @The_Catman_Dont10 ай бұрын

    Killing it Lance - great vid

  • @SNIiIPER316
    @SNIiIPER3165 ай бұрын

    Wow. Not sure why it is so pleasant to hear what I already know but very enjoyable to hear that all in one place 🎉 love it

  • @farshnuke
    @farshnuke7 ай бұрын

    I just binged James Hoffmann. This is the first of your videos I've watched and I think I'm going to be binging your stuff now.

  • @Laz_Arus
    @Laz_Arus10 ай бұрын

    Thanks Lance & Samo. I think I gained an answer to a situation I have been seeing after I recently "Slayer modded" my BES920, and that is when using quite low pressures, the flow rate seems to be more overall than expected. It stands to reason, now, that the coffee particles aren't offering as much resistance if they aren't squashed closer together, which is what is happening at higher pressures.

  • @jackowens_
    @jackowens_10 ай бұрын

    Great video! Thanks guys! 🙂

  • @yingbomiao
    @yingbomiao10 ай бұрын

    Thank you for the video! I'm always curious why too fresh is not good. I heard explanation on the CO2, but i don't think it affects pourover much. Now I know there are other unpleasant component which can be disappeared in a few days. Great learning!

  • @The_Ubatron
    @The_Ubatron9 ай бұрын

    Thanks, Lance and Dr Samo! Love the chemistry! All in all, this confirms that science is not absolute (that doesn't mean, all you conspiracy nuts, that science is not to be trusted, FFS!) because there are so many variables. On balance, work with what we know, make slight changes to our preference (try new things because that's the only way we can accept tastes different to those which we are used to!) and always remember the law of diminishing returns... Oh, and always respect the raw coffee producers - especially the women majority in the less wealthy producing countries (that is, most of the producers countries!) because they're most often the ones getting the worst deal out of this luxury industry - by purchasing traceable, fair-paid beans. Cheers! ❤️☕️😄👍

  • @parasbhargava6047
    @parasbhargava604710 ай бұрын

    very interesting Lance, thank you.

  • @seansweet4883
    @seansweet48839 ай бұрын

    Love it Lance!

  • @mattamorim8944
    @mattamorim894410 ай бұрын

    Hi, Lance! Thanks for the content

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    thank you for supporting it!

  • @What_If_We_Tried
    @What_If_We_Tried10 ай бұрын

    Lots of great objective, and illuminating information. Thank-you...

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    Thank you for the support!

  • @cheekster777
    @cheekster77710 ай бұрын

    Thank you Lance.

  • @TH-tl8hy
    @TH-tl8hy10 ай бұрын

    Lance, the consistency of your content quality is excellent. I clicked on this video in my feed, and it took me reading the comments halfway through the video to realize the video was only 1 hour from roast date, haha. Just trying to say your production quality has continuously improved, but it's not jarring to watch videos from years apart. I guess the only way to mark the passage of time is your facial hair, or lack thereof!

  • @tshaowmasy
    @tshaowmasy10 ай бұрын

    excellent video! would love to see future videos like with maybe with more visual aid.

  • @BrokenHangar
    @BrokenHangar10 ай бұрын

    great way to popularize science on the channel, thanks!👍

  • @tastyinside
    @tastyinside10 ай бұрын

    Very nice video👍🏼 Thank you so much😊🧡

  • @Jules_Diplopia
    @Jules_Diplopia10 ай бұрын

    Fascinating. Freshness, I used to have a coffee shop, and roaster. Fresh roasted, a few hours, was very 'fizzy' and tasted lighter, because of the CO2. But I have also found that less fresh coffee, 4-6 weeks there was a change in the coffee compounds. For most people, they preferred the coffee younger than this, though they were still happy enough with older coffee.

  • @00nix87
    @00nix879 ай бұрын

    ❤❤❤❤moooooore of These!!!

  • @contemporaryartist6542
    @contemporaryartist65429 ай бұрын

    More from this dialled in duo! Thank you

  • @scviper
    @scviper10 ай бұрын

    Hey Lance, as usual, I love the video. Could you maybe expand a bit on the topic of lower pressures? In your experience, are there some coffees which benefit from a pressure lower than 9 bar? Does lower pressure allow for a bit finer grinding and less channeling?

  • @williamf.buckleyjr.1572
    @williamf.buckleyjr.157210 ай бұрын

    This was interesting. Good video.

  • @dersnuka
    @dersnuka10 ай бұрын

    “Gassy shots.” I have to admit, I giggled at this, but only due to having the sense of humor of a 9 year old. 😁

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    Tbh same. But it's my duty not to laugh at gassy on camera. (Did duty make you giggle)

  • @JeepBigE
    @JeepBigE8 ай бұрын

    Very interesting information.

  • @LAVA-el5yt
    @LAVA-el5yt9 ай бұрын

    Awesome geekin out on coffe!!!!

  • @KzoN2561
    @KzoN25615 ай бұрын

    Would love more Q and A vids!

  • @elvenaprilnico
    @elvenaprilnico9 ай бұрын

    Please do more with Dr. Smrke!!

  • @gabrielchartrand7982
    @gabrielchartrand798210 ай бұрын

    Very interesting video ! I definitely learned something (myth number 4). I was wondering, what do you use as a kettle?

  • @DianHrozek
    @DianHrozek9 ай бұрын

    Awesome video ❤👍

  • @jonathancavender8796
    @jonathancavender879610 ай бұрын

    Lance, can you do a video on pour over blooms? How do you dial in your bloom time and weight for different coffees? It seems like most people just do 3x the coffee dose for 45 seconds for all coffees.

  • @ivankreitman1526
    @ivankreitman152610 ай бұрын

    Thank you Dr. Smrke and Lance. This is great information. You mentioned the size differences from a cold start in grinding. With a single dose grinder, would it lessen the size variation if one would start the grinder and then add the beans so that the burrs are already at their normal speed? Just curious if this would help, but understand that there will always be variations in particle size due to the nature of being a natural material. Thanks again for such an informative video.

  • @theSnowpup

    @theSnowpup

    10 ай бұрын

    Exactly. By letting the grinder get up to speed, and only then adding the coffee beans (slowly, rather than all at once) you'll minimise the variations from speed thus increasing grind homogeneity. Once the grinder is running at speed, it's no longer considered a cold start, it's known as a hot start. It's easier to do on some grinders than others, but always worth doing if you want to chase optimisations.

  • @Sir1ri
    @Sir1ri10 ай бұрын

    I have the chance to roast beans frequently and yes pour different batches (roast dates) of same beans so yes the coffee varies way too much but so does your climate. Personally the only reason i buy coffee fresh is when im buying a bigger batch or when im gonna drink the most after a week or 2

  • @creamyhorror
    @creamyhorror10 ай бұрын

    Yep, temperature is a useful tool to avoid extracting bitter compounds - once more for those in the back! I'd love to see newer studies on this that test temps like 80C vs 85C vs 90C and 95C (not just 87-90-93). Shouldn't only be grind size that's adjusted, because brew temp produces different tastes for quite a few people.

  • @Cenot4ph

    @Cenot4ph

    10 ай бұрын

    in my experience there's definitely a difference in extraction due to brewing temperature and i believe that's well established?!

  • @eda7875

    @eda7875

    9 ай бұрын

    But you do want some of those bitter compounds to balance out the acidity.

  • @glen.moralee
    @glen.moralee10 ай бұрын

    Brilliant thank you. Now I’m going to stop wondering if I should change my machine’s pressure down to 6 bar like so many people swear by and just enjoy my coffee 👌

  • @efafe4972
    @efafe49729 ай бұрын

    Lance it would be really cool to see you cover traditional coffee brewing methods, arabian qahua coffee or ethiopian buna.

  • @ScoffMathews
    @ScoffMathews10 ай бұрын

    Due to elevation my water doesn't go above 94-95°C, I've always thought I was leaving some stuff on the table so it's interesting to see that generally a few degrees don't make that much of a difference.

  • @BensCoffeeRants
    @BensCoffeeRants10 ай бұрын

    Never really noticed a natural gas type smell (sulfur) with coffee but did notice some fresh coffee gives off a nice farty smell lol. One thing i noticed with a lower end grinder like a ceramic burr hand grinder or baratza vario which had the same profile lots of fines. I found i enjoyed super fresh espresso more, now with higher end more unimidal grind distribution grinders for light roasts they do seem to be more variable and inconsistent and settle down and usually give better results after more degassing. I had one light roast coffee that i kept trying to get good results with and it was always just ok like meh. One day i had an amazing shot and couldn't reproduce it. After about a month of rest i think it finally got better and more consistent. A couples times i noticed that.

  • @mikkisdiyobsessions3742
    @mikkisdiyobsessions37429 ай бұрын

    I am so glad to find out I m NOT MAD!

  • @ellajean10
    @ellajean109 ай бұрын

    Lance! Can you please talk about matched solubility in roasting/brewing blends?

  • @thamtham4924
    @thamtham49249 ай бұрын

    Thanks Lance for this useful aspect as always. I really need you to do this vdo: when someone said use 92degC water for pour over, does it mean temperature of water or temperature in coffee bed? If using 92C water, in bed is about 85, but when I use 100c, it is about 92c. I got both brew from both temp but really love to know from u.

  • @crimsonkatsu5919
    @crimsonkatsu591910 ай бұрын

    It would be interesting if you made a video about methods for consistency. A hard thing about all of this is all of the variables. I always made coffee at home. I was buying coffee from a roaster in Portland called Thornton once and they asked if I wanted to try the espresso. That opened my eyes to the potential of coffee since I had never tried espresso before. After that I knew I must learn how to make it. Ritual brewing in SF gave me the best espresso shot I've had. It really tasted like blueberries it was amazing that that flavor profile could come out of coffee. Besides ritual, I've been disappointed by highly reputable third wave cafés. If I buy their coffee I can make it better at home with a cafelat robot. The baristas are really good at latte art, but the espresso is meh, just an afterthought, a vehicle for coffeesque milk For those of us who never really went to cafés could you make a guide for the café and what to look for? That ritual shot was inspirational but everything else has been disappointing. I don't have the knowledge to select a cafe where the coffee comes first

  • @mauort6870

    @mauort6870

    9 ай бұрын

    i feel the same way about many 'good' coffee shops..they talk the talk, they have the hipsters, the cool equipment...and i make better espresso with inferior tools. that being said. if you are ever in Bergamo, Italy go to Bugan Coffee lab. Never have I had a shot with more clearly defined flavors and balance.

  • @elromulous
    @elromulous10 ай бұрын

    Just a couple pedantic nomenclature things about these words in American English 1. An easier word for non-homogeneous is heterogenous. 2. Methanethiol is a type of Mercaptan. Mercaptans are more widely known and associated with fart smell (as well as being added to natural gas).

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    Yes I know heterogenous. It has a bit different oomph to pushing the antithesis of homogeneity. As for methane, yes. I think many remember the fart jokes from middle school lol

  • @barryposner7609

    @barryposner7609

    2 ай бұрын

    And it wasn't mentioned, but methanethiol (methyl mercaptan) contains sulphur, which is what gives it the awful odour (and taste.)

  • @TheKINGARTHUR2
    @TheKINGARTHUR29 ай бұрын

    Brother, Also, (It has been my personal experience) on myth #2, that it depends on the process combined with the roast... for example, have tasted natural anaerobic or CM coffees that actually develop more stable tasting notes between 1 to 3 months, Delicate washed floral profiles that really pick up after 8 days and so on... keep up the good work 😇

  • @OneIdeaTooMany
    @OneIdeaTooMany10 ай бұрын

    You roasted those myths!

  • @paulstewart4505
    @paulstewart450510 ай бұрын

    Really enjoyed this interesting video, food for thought. What do you think James??

  • @exooptik
    @exooptik9 ай бұрын

    Lance, when you guys were talking about RPM and said that for some coffees it’s measurable- please do share for which ones and what the effect is!

  • @Longtimerolling
    @Longtimerolling2 күн бұрын

    Nice!

  • @crawdaddyy
    @crawdaddyy9 ай бұрын

    1:01 = this is why I love Lance 😂

  • @benanderson5978
    @benanderson59787 ай бұрын

    Fresh isn't always best, I am curious how the packaging affects the de-gassing. Are the volatile compounds releasing if the coffee is stored in a vacuum canister? Is it better to store coffee in its original bag for a week or two before opening? Should I open the bag day one and let it casually de-gas and then air seal it? You have created a lot of questions to answer🧐

  • @HuibNederhof
    @HuibNederhof10 ай бұрын

    The 58mm basket is the most common. Is it also the best size for a single espresso with a ratio of 1:2?

  • @GadgetsGearCoffee
    @GadgetsGearCoffee9 ай бұрын

    I repeated for that laugh at 1:33 way too many times lol

  • @dancingmischief
    @dancingmischief10 ай бұрын

    I love these scientific tests! SCIENCE FTW!!!

  • @MPC325NYC
    @MPC325NYC3 ай бұрын

    In his book, A Question of Freshness, Paul Songer says something like, methanethiol is used as one of the indicators of freshness. Methanethiol is a pungent chemical on its own right, but surprisingly, in coffee, it serves as a flavour compound that actually hides undesirable odours. Does this mean that when methanethiol is extracted along with other chemicals during the brew, it no longer hides other undesirable odors but emit its own overpowering foul smell? I would love to know all the gives and takes of key compounds linked to temp, time, and water chemistry someday.

  • @fabilemusic9992
    @fabilemusic999210 ай бұрын

    If we talk about the pressure, is it puck or pump pressure?

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    Puck

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    The pressure the extraction experiences

  • @wmf1595
    @wmf15959 ай бұрын

    I have a very hard time differentiating between bitter and acid coffee flavors. I think this is making very hard for me to dial anything in properly. I need to find a coffee shop that offers cupping/palette training sessions. One of the coffee shops in my town (Columbus, Ohio) used to offer cupping classes at their lab/roastery. I think they stopped offering those classes after COVID.

  • @m4tth3wh
    @m4tth3wh9 ай бұрын

    Q. Will the pump in coffee machine have longer service life if set OPV to 6-7 bar?

  • @Phil_OG
    @Phil_OG10 ай бұрын

    In 6) pressure are you talking about the peak pressure hit during the extraction? Because when I pull a "9 bar" shot it only reaches 9 bars for a short amount of time and then it quickly decreases from there on. Or are you pressure profiling and the pressure stays at 9 bar for the whole shot?

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    On typical machines, most people dial in finely enough to maintain roughly 9 Bar. Unless you have a rapidly eroding puck and an ever increasing output flow, you're likely sticking around 9 bar or so with maybe a slight dip. Doesn't take pressure profiling to do this. Most normal machines do.

  • @Fatboypool
    @Fatboypool10 ай бұрын

    Sleeve is looking good Lance💪😃

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    Thank you so much!

  • @jrodori
    @jrodori10 ай бұрын

    I couldn’t click the like button fast enough

  • @PneumaticTube
    @PneumaticTube10 ай бұрын

    Dr. Samo Smrke was great! Does he have a channel or outlet where he dumps all his info?

  • @braxtonjens7839
    @braxtonjens783910 ай бұрын

    Myth Busters. Coffee Edition. “Watch out coffee myths, cuz your gonna get BUSTED!”

  • @axelcampbell5669
    @axelcampbell56699 ай бұрын

    So I should always hot start my grinder, as in, turn it on then put the beans in? I have been cold starting which is putting the beans in then turning it on....

  • @gr3g0r5
    @gr3g0r59 ай бұрын

    On tamping pressure: can you tamp too lightly? I've always assumed you can, so my solution has always been to tamp pretty much as hard as I can, because that's a consistent value.

  • @peterr8538
    @peterr853810 ай бұрын

    I were a bit surprised 😅 i would se a overlay bitter coffee as a defective coffee, I've heard the theory of scolding coffee oils, I don't think people are afraid of burning as in combustion but burning as in tasting overly bitter, as in burned car-tires as some describe overly darkroasted coffee. So I wouldn't say the myth is busted just because the coffee dosnt combust, just taste overly extracted in a way that that taste unpleasant 😅 Other than that, great video!!!

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    Oh no. You're just removed from novices in coffee. Novices very much believe it will actually burn the coffee like when you burn a steak.

  • @peterr8538

    @peterr8538

    10 ай бұрын

    @LanceHedrick wauw 😅 people needs to see more "the last airbender" then 😂 clearly water can't burn, only scold😅

  • @Xbox360gamer5000
    @Xbox360gamer500010 ай бұрын

    1 question would you rather drink your favourite coffe brewed in on of those cheap drippers or a really cheap coffee but you can choose which variables you tweak to get a better taste.

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    Favorite coffee no question

  • @Xbox360gamer5000

    @Xbox360gamer5000

    9 ай бұрын

    @@LanceHedrick I forgot to say I meant these cheap automated drippers. not one where you can do a pourover yourself. would you still choose the good coffee?

  • @BensCoffeeRants
    @BensCoffeeRants10 ай бұрын

    I thought higher pressure due to more puck resistance (grinding finer) would increase likelyhood of channeling. However if you didn't get channeling then you can achieve a higher extraction with a finer grind size.

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    Higher pressure is due to BOTH resistance and flow. You could do same resistance and have higher input flow.

  • @BensCoffeeRants

    @BensCoffeeRants

    10 ай бұрын

    @@LanceHedrick on e61 with flow control I think the limiting factor is the grind size. But maybe Decent or other more advanced machines work differently with more legit pressure profiling rather than flow control.

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    @@BensCoffeeRants well sure but that's an e61 with constant flow. Not just a pump with an OPV, which is MO.

  • @BensCoffeeRants

    @BensCoffeeRants

    9 ай бұрын

    @@LanceHedrick what's "MO" mean?

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    9 ай бұрын

    Modus operandi

  • @EmileeBryant
    @EmileeBryant10 ай бұрын

    I was in that damn room 🎉 (not making a collab)

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    In the room where it happened.

  • @georgepagakis9854
    @georgepagakis98549 ай бұрын

    I am sure you both know UMPAUL. He is a Korean latte champion. He makes this tamper called Channeling Master, I suggest you reach out to him and purchase his tamper. With that tamper you will eliminate sour or bitter coffee, no more channeling and 100% extraction all the time at traditional ratios and yield. Time is no longer an issue.

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    9 ай бұрын

    I know um and that tamper

  • @georgepagakis9854

    @georgepagakis9854

    9 ай бұрын

    @@LanceHedrick Well then get it and try it. It will change the way you talk about coffee.

  • @MichaelZuskin
    @MichaelZuskin9 ай бұрын

    Samo said that there is no difference in extraction at 6 and 9 bar. But that contradicts what you, Lance, said in your video about turbo shot (quoting English scientists). You said that there is a difference, and turbo shot gives better extraction as 9 is too compressing the coffee puck, causing the water to break through a lot of channels. So who's right?

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    9 ай бұрын

    So what I said in the turbo video was based on the paper that theorized 6 bar could lead to more consistency. Not to better taste. The point here was about objective extraction. All extraction being held equal, taste would be similar. But are 6 bar the theory is the shots would be more consistent.

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    9 ай бұрын

    Good question!

  • @lubenzz
    @lubenzz10 ай бұрын

    On the temperature part. What about leaving the portafilter locked for too long instead of locking and brewing right away. Does that "burn" or negatively affect the coffee in any way?

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    Will definitely affect some of the volatile aromatic compounds. Think about the science behind the chilling of espresso retaining compounds- cooler starts can lead to more retention of those early easily extractible compounds.

  • @thiagom4321

    @thiagom4321

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@LanceHedrickAbout that chilling espresso gadgets, does having a freeze cup will achieve the same effects? Or the compounds are being lost in the air (before it hits the cup)?

  • @theSnowpup

    @theSnowpup

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@thiagom4321You'll lose more volatiles than a frozen ball, but less volatiles than a room temperature or warm cup. However, the taste is subjective, so whether this makes that big a difference is entirely in your mouth/head.

  • @krazyolie
    @krazyolie9 ай бұрын

    I’ve seen more and more pseudoscience creep in to coffee talk so this is refreshing

  • @thomasdc94
    @thomasdc9410 ай бұрын

    "Unreal." - Thomas(2023, after watching this legendary video.)

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    If this is a shoresy reference, we are BFF and you get a stick. Because they're unbelievable

  • @Caelvm
    @Caelvm10 ай бұрын

    But isn't higher pressure more prone to channeling? With lighter roasted coffee I feel like I had more success pulling shots at around 7 bar rather than 9 bar.

  • @LanceHedrick

    @LanceHedrick

    10 ай бұрын

    Could definitely impact channeling but how to measure objectively? In any case, keep pulling 7. Not worse for sure!

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