It's crazy how both machines could run youtube beautifully at one point. The internet has become so bloated.

@elu9780

4 ай бұрын

I miss the time when websites were mostly just text and images with minimal fancy crap. I remember how internet became more and more bloated back in early to mid 2010s. I was using iPad 2 at the time, and I started to notice websites working slower and slower. A lot of older machines could easily get on the internet if it wasn't bloated as shit with unnecessary fancy crap that oftentimes makes things harder to navigate and, naturally, slows shit down, takes more space, and consumes more system resources. Just because we have more resources available for us to use, doesn't mean we should entirely forget efficiency and the golden rule of "don't overcomplicate things".

@hanakomisa

4 ай бұрын

thankfully things like invidious exists though i'm not sure how happy youtube would be if Sean shows the usage of that in a video.

@Biaanca5036

4 ай бұрын

I mean youtube was using 240p FLV back then with awful compression so it didn't look that good. Not even on a period correct monitor. Now x265 and av1 can make a video look amazing while only taking up a few megs instead of the 100-200 megs an flv did. Having a streaming box in every room no longer requires business class internet like it did in 2008 because everything is super compressed now. I'd even argue a simple 6meg connection is good enough

@Piipperi800

4 ай бұрын

They never ran it particularly well tbh. Especially with web browsers, either no one cared to optimize for PPC, or PPC as an architecture just isn't optimized for such tasks like streaming & decoding video.

@NightSprinter

4 ай бұрын

@@Biaanca5036 yeah, but those codecs need dedicated hardware or some ridiculously-powerful CPUs to decode in software.

I want to see Debian running on that 1998 Jeep Cherokee.

@James_T_Quirk

4 ай бұрын

Get a Linux Based Car Entertainment System from Ali-Express, They are available $150-S400, the Replacement unit for older BMW's has a 8 Core CPU !!!...

@beedslolkuntus2070

3 ай бұрын

Technically if the infotainment system on it is new, yeah, that’d run Linux

"I'm going to install Debian Sid." "It's not as stable as I would have expected." Me: *Internal scream*

@niewazneniewazne1890

3 ай бұрын

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHY IS DEBIAN SID UNSTABLE, UNSTABLE AHHHHHHHHHH

@eth1111

Ай бұрын

I thought that debian 12 would be stable by now

@angrycockatiel1829

Ай бұрын

​@@eth1111Sid is the permanent name for the testing and unstable channels. Debian 12 is bookworm.

@fnsdjkovnsdkvn

18 күн бұрын

@eth1111 Sid is the unstable rolling release. Its not a numbered version

"IDE native SSD" Is a phrase that brings me joy.

I would argue that Gentoo is the "Linuxiest" Linux, but Debian is absolutely respectable in that regard.

@Winnetou17

4 ай бұрын

I was searching for a comment like this. Nothing shouts "outdated" or "it can run anything" than installing it on a 133 MHz 486. Though I guess that installing on things that are more obscure is even more ... uhm ... Linuxiest :)

@ninline2000

3 ай бұрын

​@@Winnetou17I think BSD might be even Linuxier then.

Yes, Debian does run on pretty much anything. I got a bunch of simulated QEMU machines that run Debian on i386, amd64, arm64, riscv64, hppa32, mipsel, loongarch64, ppc64, ppc64el, m68k, sparc64, alpha, s390x, sh4. And not even all the supported platforms are mentionned here!

@yep596

4 ай бұрын

Debian truly lives up to its name as "The Universal Operating System" with how it supports so many architectures, amazing stuff

@vvk858

4 ай бұрын

Sparc32 & ppc32 😢😢😢

@JackBender

4 ай бұрын

@@vvk858 Oh, forgot ppc32, also got that one working!

@OhhCrapGuy

4 ай бұрын

I tried Debian 8 on an HPPA machine at one point, booting was an issue, but Gentoo worked great. Don't have it anymore, or I'd try Debian 12.

@JackBender

4 ай бұрын

@@OhhCrapGuy The nice thing with QEMU is that you can pass the kernel, initrd and arguments directly to the simulator, meaning you don't need a working bootloader in order to have a working simulated machine. But every time the kernel and/or initrd is updated, they must be extracted from the disk image to present to QEMU directly.

16:09 Small correction: The codename for Debian 12 is Bookworm, not Sid, Sid is the Unstable version

@resneptacle

4 ай бұрын

He ran Trixie which is the pre-release version for Debian 13, too!

That G5 has more RAM than a brand new $1600 MacBook Pro!

@MaxOakland

4 ай бұрын

Apple should be embarrassed

@axethepenguin

4 ай бұрын

⁠tbf the ram in that G5 is super slow

@killingtimeitself

3 ай бұрын

faster ram is cheap these days. So not really an excuse. @@axethepenguin

@axethepenguin

3 ай бұрын

@@killingtimeitself yeah I’m aware but I’m pretty sure 1600MHz ram sticks won’t work in a G5

@killingtimeitself

3 ай бұрын

no, but apple definitely couldve have just put in more ram without taking all of your money.@@axethepenguin

I've found that in a lot of cases, the mobile versions of websites use a lot more CPU and RAM than the desktop versions, yet have a lot less features and usability.

@WIImotionmasher

4 ай бұрын

I bet the mobile versions send stuff compressed, or get the front-end to generate elements more. To reduce data usage.

@hackhp

4 ай бұрын

@@WIImotionmasher I've found the mobile versions use tons of data. To the order of around 60-100MB for ads and another 25-50MB for the actual content. Load the same page in desktop version, and combined total data usage is around 40 MB For both ads and content.

@zachstoltenburg5150

4 ай бұрын

BuT iTs ThE wAy Of ThE fUtUrE 🤦‍♂️

@amirpourghoureiyan1637

4 ай бұрын

reads article on phone (site sends requests for every single permission known to mankind)

@olutukko2681

4 ай бұрын

Well thats just normal. Web programs tend to run on higher level programming languages that are not as effective as the lower level languages that desktop applications are made with

i dont believe you, run it on a pregnancy test

@melissarivs7113

4 ай бұрын

Install a tarball using a pregmake command for pregancy tests and boot It using the grubaby

@RuSrsbro

4 ай бұрын

You'd have to find out how to get an image out, but the 4mhz CPU can def run Linux

@peieistamps5261

4 ай бұрын

If it can run doom Debian will run on it

@wikwayer

4 ай бұрын

Don't pee on the computer 😂

@mistersync100

4 ай бұрын

Somebody already made it I'm not joking he made it even to play Doom

Thanks to you I have a stack of old MacBooks running Linux…..for reasons

@chadmasta5

4 ай бұрын

Heck yeah. Apple FOSS LAN party!

@HypeXesk

3 ай бұрын

Bro gonna run a simulation of a working space if all coworkers ran linux

The decision to include non-free firmware in Debian 12 was monumental. Thank you Debian team.

@9852323

4 ай бұрын

Wait are you being sarcastic?

@alexstone691

4 ай бұрын

Truly, before it was pain in the ass to install, and especially download considering the website was quite garbage

@slaapliedje

3 ай бұрын

​@@alexstone691it was only a pain in the ass if you had only wifi and non-intel. You could also just download the iso that had the firmware included.

@alexstone691

3 ай бұрын

@@slaapliedje but at the same time that iso was hidden and had big UNOFFICIAL in the name so might as well call it useless for anyone that does not know better, me included when i was a noob

@slaapliedje

3 ай бұрын

@alexstone691 we were all noobs at some point. Ha, I started when I had a 19.2kb/s modem and it took 3 days from a netinstall version of Debian to get a full desktop...

Going with Xfce? A man of refinement and culture, I see.

@danaeckel

3 ай бұрын

I might have to try XFCE more, I have used Mate on iMac G5, and LXDE on Beige G3 upgraded to G4.

@escapetherace1943

3 ай бұрын

@@danaeckel I like xfce at least on older machines. But I like KDE the most

@SyphistPrime

2 ай бұрын

XFCE my beloved. It's the only DE I can enjoy using.

We can all thank Ian Murdock for making these otherwise obsolete 20+ year old PPC systems usable again.

Debian is crazy, but also Gentoo works on many architectures. And due to the nature of it compiling everything for that respective architecture, software is usually a little less prone to crash than precompiled binaries on Debian

Love Debian, reliable and no surprises. Along with NetBSD it's my favourite operating system for repurposing and saving old machines that would otherwise be destined for the e-waste scrap heap

@danaeckel5523

4 ай бұрын

I have NetBSD running on Quadra 800 and Dillo browser. Not fast at all, but functions.

@nalinux

4 ай бұрын

I had NetBSD running great on some computers no version of Linux accepted to run. For example a Sun Sparc Station IPC or a dual Pentium 75 (non MMX of course).

@bstevenm

3 ай бұрын

NetBSD is amazing

Those graphical glitches on the G5 are likely the result of the nVidia GPU. nVidia doesn't open source their drivers so support can be dropped and drivers broken on newer kernels. As a result, likely your only option for a driver for that chip is going to be Nouveau, which is reverse-engineered and "useable" on those older chips at least. You'd be far better off with an ATI/AMD card on that machine.

@amirpourghoureiyan1637

4 ай бұрын

surprisingly the old school radeons have been getting a ton of driver updates lately too lol, makes me think there's some guy ride-or-dying his HD 2900 XT.

@alienorificeinvestigation

3 ай бұрын

​@@amirpourghoureiyan1637I still have a nano in my linux rig. 😂

@eDoc2020

3 ай бұрын

Definitely that. I was running a 6600LE (from a PowerMac!) on my Ubuntu-derived PC around 2015-2016 and it had glitches.

@bionicgeekgrrl

Ай бұрын

@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 AMD open sourcing their drivers certainly helps matters with this sort of thing. They're gradually open sourcing their entire GPU software stack too now.

Man, you can tell things are dire when there's only really two mirrors left for PPC 64-bit Debian. I wonder how much longer the kernel's going to officially support PPC.

@boristhespider8230

4 ай бұрын

Given that IBM's still making and periodically updating their POWER line, I doubt that kernel support for the newer little-endian stuff is going away soon. Big-endian support could be a different story though.

@mrquicky

4 ай бұрын

A KZreadr reported a month ago that Debian was dropping 32-bit support for the x86 platform soon. Linux dropped support for the Motorola 68000 at version 2.2 We can only grieve and look to the future.

@movax20h

4 ай бұрын

Debian is not dropping 32-bit x86. It is nonsense. It will happen, but many years from now. Also Linux still supports m68k in latest kernel. No changes here. In fact it still see updates , especially recently.

@mrquicky

3 ай бұрын

@@movax20h The Motorola 68000 does not have an MMU and is therefore not supported by Linux. Perhaps, you mean one of the later revisions with an MMU like the 68020 or better.

@movax20h

3 ай бұрын

@@mrquicky Motorola 68020 doesn't have mmu either. Nor it is required by Linux (Linux on m68k uses softmmu) . But it is true, that 68020 is minimum for Linux for some time. Very few computers run with MMU on 68020. There was external chip from Motorola, but few computer used it if any. There were also non-standard mums for m68k, in Sun workstations. I don't think Linux ever supported any of MMUs on m68k (even ones from Motorola).

Action Retro to his old Macs: Rise From Your Grave!

Yep. I needed a laptop for school and the only thing relatively modern at hand was a 2019-ish Chromebook. Installed Gallium OS only to find it was unsupported and was weird when it came to the campus network and school sites. Tried SEVERAL Linux distros and almost all of them had issues regarding HW support or bloat. Then I tried basic bitch Debian. Worked FLAWLESSLY with far less bloat. There's a reason Debian's a go-to distro.

@escapetherace1943

3 ай бұрын

weird I had every distro work on mine and on a 14 year old machine. In fact my old machine works flawlessly on debian, mint, arch, fedora, and a couple others I tried.

You should try using the H264ify plugin for Arctic Fox. It forces KZread to use the H.264 version of videos, which is less demanding to decode than the VP9 codec that KZread uses by default. Since the iMac G4 has no hardware acceleration for modern codecs, the CPU will need all the help it can get.

I really hope your videos reach people who can repurpose these machines and keep them from being e-waste. I know most of us here are techies and we do it for the love of building computers. but any chance I get I try to help people repurpose old (usually windows) machines and get extra life out of them. Last year I put ubuntu on a friends 2015-era laptop that was so slow (with windows) as to be un-usable. It had a mechanical HDD, and I'm fairly certain it was a SMR technology where writes are ridiculously slow. I put linux on there and it made the machine usable again. The browser is still incredibly slow to load, but once it loads she can access email, watch youtube and netflix, and use the word processor. The only gotcha was having to enable DRM for firefox so netflix worked, and that was a 3 minute google. She was going through a difficult personal and financial time, so helping her this way had a direct impact on her recovery. It's just a small example of how we can use our skills to help people and reduce waste.

@resneptacle

4 ай бұрын

I'd honestly throw in a cheap SSD when doing something like that, even on Linux it does a world of a difference in loading times and responsiveness, especially when the kernel starts swapping to the HDD because of little RAM

@9852323

4 ай бұрын

The better thing to do would be to just throw a cheap SSD in there. 2015 is ridiculously new for a PC imo. My Core2Duo machine from 2008 runs windows 11 just fine and all I had to do was throw in an SSD and some cheap $10 ram from eBay. No reason to be using HDD’s anymore.

@MaxOakland

4 ай бұрын

That’s so cool! Reuse and eliminate waste

"Even more wild that it just freakin' worked!" Michael MJD senses a disturbance.

About fifteen years ago, I tried to repurpose a "Tangerine" iMac (G3) with Debian. It booted and was usable, but the lack of Flash was kind of a dealbreaker at the time.

@3rdalbum

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I did the same thing but with Ubuntu. I was disappointed to discover that, while Flash existed for Linux, it wouldn't run on PPC. Naive me thought that precompiled Linux software would run across all architectures.

@Insightfill

3 ай бұрын

@@3rdalbum There is/was "Gnash" as a multi-platform free Flash, but compatibility was weak.

I can attest the title is accurate. I've installed Debian on an SGI O² and a D-Link NAS. (I didn't come up with how, just followed some fairly obscure instructions. Those who wrote them were the real heroes.)

@AnWe79

4 ай бұрын

PS, both of those may or may not be harder in modern Debian. This was years ago. The 10 000 RPM HD in the O² was way too loud for my tastes. The NAS was not worthwhile anymore, with lackluster performance, but I might resurrect it as a secondary Amanda backup storage. I've moved on to SBCs which, in Debian terms, are perhaps weeping edge. (Not quite bleeding edge, as there is mainline support, just a bit harder than your average netinst.)

Hey just saying, if you keep the root password empty you get to use the user password for admin tasks and its technically safer for root to have no password

I love how Debian not only supports PowerPC, but even still supports m68k! I wonder what the popularity contest results look like for the 68040!

@diebesgrab

3 ай бұрын

So you're saying it might actually run on my IIsi?

@danaeckel

3 ай бұрын

@@diebesgrab I have NetBSD 9.3 running on a Quadra 800 and Dillo. SLOWWW but works.

@James_T_Quirk

3 ай бұрын

68k runs on Amiga A2000 using a 128Meg 68060 Wildfire card, has since 1995 to my knowledge ...

I'm amazed at how well the G4 processor was designed, even when compared to its successor.

@3rdalbum

3 ай бұрын

Especially when compared to its successor!

I run antiX, which branches off from Debian, and yeah, it runs on many, many things. I run it as my daily driver and on my crappy laptop, all works really well.

linuxy linux... needs to be a distro

@commentarysheep

4 ай бұрын

That’s called Slackware.

@sobieckil07

4 ай бұрын

​@@commentarysheep Considering how vocal and active Arch Linux community is, I think Arch managed to usurp the title of "the most Linuxy Linux"

@anidnmeno

4 ай бұрын

@@commentarysheep Praise "Bob"!

@commentarysheep

4 ай бұрын

@@sobieckil07 But in terms of architecture, Slackware is closer to the original purpose of Linux; a free and open-source clone of Unix operating systems.

Nice! I will definitely try Debian 12 out on my iMac G4. Thanks for the inspiration 😊

I've been exclusively running various versions of Debian since 2004 when I got sick of MS Windows nightmares. Since all of my laptops are 8 - 20yrs old, I've used lightweight distros like Antix, AV Linux, Bodhi, Mepis, Makulu etc. All of them have been FANTASTIC and speed has never been an issue. If you've only got old gear, Debian and any XFCE Linux desktop (avoid KDE & Gnome) distro is the way to go 👍 PS : Lenovo laptops are the absolute BEST 👍😃

@9852323

4 ай бұрын

Everything I got is core2duo era and below. I get by.

@HypeXesk

3 ай бұрын

Looking to get a better laptop since I got a t410 with a bit of keys missing and no battery and a hard drive

Man, this is awesome to see! I love seeing Linux still supported on 32-bit PowerPC computers, even though they haven't been relevant in two decades or more. I bet any G3 or later computer could happily do email and word processing almost like an old 70s/80s terminal machine well into the future, for a little kid to use for schoolwork or something. Not everyone has the bucks for even a chromebook, times are tough these days and computers are a necessity now. Having updated software makes that idea much more secure and compatible (idk if I'd personally be comfortable with it having internet without a recent OS and kernel etc on it, for example) and you can really slim down a debian install too.

@9852323

4 ай бұрын

I think they’ve only been irrelevant the last 12 years or so. My school used them back in 2012 and they worked pretty good albeit showing age slightly. People waste wayy to much.

@HypeXesk

3 ай бұрын

The thing is powerpc stuff is more for collectors now and will be sold at such prices just as old consoles are

Love the channel! Love finding ways to keep old hardware running and out of the landfill! Its a crime we waste as much as we do.

I'm very interested to see how well the G5 runs with a more stable GPU/driver. I feel like KZread should be usable with a 2.5GHz quad core system! And obviously Classicube should be pretty good if you can sort out the GPU issues.

Watched your video with my 2011 Mac Mini running LMDE 6. So enjoyable! Aloha!

a while ago, i installed Debian 11 on a 1999-ish fujitsu-siemens laptop that was thrown out at work. 6 whole GB's of spinning disk, a single 32-bit 500MHz Celeron core and a whopping 196MBs of RAM.. It didn't support USB boot, and the only other install media I had was a Debian 8 or 9 DVD, so i installed it and apt-upgrade'd my way to debian 11. It was painfully slow, but I got there, and i'm honestly surprised at how well it runs. As you said, a modern OS on a 20 year old machine! I didn't dare to run XFCE, but a minimal DWM setup ran pretty well. I even managed to load a plain HTML site in Firefox!

Ahh the old G4 imac, with extra slice of bezel.

Nice! love seeing new life being breathed into old hardware.

Using my G4 as a dukebox has been great, Itunes coverflow brings up fantastic album artwork. Setup the clear plastic harman/kardon speakers and away you go. The G4 is still usable today just got to use it now to it's limited but still usable state in 2024, thanks for another great video keep trying with the G5 and G4 love them both to bits.

Idk about calling xfce a 2024 desktop but I sure would like to see you test KZread playback with smplayer or VLC. Smplayer has been my yt solution on low end devices for years. Happy hunting! 🐧

@chadmasta5

4 ай бұрын

Good to know about smplayer. VLC hasn't worked for KZread for a while now. At least in my experience.

@caseycu

4 ай бұрын

XFCE is actively developed so I don’t see why it wouldn’t count as a current desktop.

the debian project is truly amazing

IT does. At one point about ten years ago I had it running on a 500mhz G3 iMac ( indigo in case you were wondering ) with a gig of memory. It ran slow, but it did work.

Had some issues installing on a Powerbook G4 - eventually I realised the fans weren't coming on, so I put a big desktop fan on it, and it worked. (Fan comes on fine with the completed install)

I don't know why, but I still love PowerPC Macs, and any channel that shows them being used and abused. Maybe it's nostalgia for Apple in its heyday, when Jobs had the company laser focused on creating "insanely great" products. Apple in 2023 seems only to care about $$$, and in many ways reminds me of Apple 1989 under John Scully. PS: I daily drive a Powermac G5 Dual Core and it still works great. Google broke KZread on PPC Macs, the hardware is up to streaming video, even HD. I can get KZread to work well using a custom-compiled 64-bit PPC version of InterWeb with Quartz enabled and KZread running with mobile settings.

@tonytins

4 ай бұрын

The iMac G4 was a beautiful design. I'm sure it'd be more than possible to recreate that and the G3 with newer hardware.

@TurdInternational

4 ай бұрын

I think the hardware they're coming out with now (at least Macs, dont care about phones) is killer, the issue is the software is garbage. Mac OS gets some interesting features, but it comes with making the UX/UI much more hostile. Pro apps are basically ignored, and when they aren't they have workflow breaking UI updates. Most of the lifestyle apps are microsoft level janky; just lazily ported across to Swift with no bugfixes. The Apple ecosystem is a horrible place to live now, and I suspect the only reason more people don't leave, is because the other options are worse or require alot more time to integrate with.

@eDoc2020

3 ай бұрын

1989 Apple released the Macintosh Portable which IMO is much nicer than Apple's modern systems.

Thanks for the video. I have a G4 that needs this.

I love your videos, main source entertainment at work

Great video. Your channel is so underrated

*BSD runs on more architectures though, like VAX, Alpha and SPARCs

Great video. The amount of crapware we are running all the time is amazing. Adds, trackers, profilers etc. After so many years of optimization without the crap many sites should have shine.

@alvallac2171

22 күн бұрын

*Ads (short for ADvertisement, not ADDition)

I just installed Debian 12 on an older PC for the first time yesterday! What a strange coincidence. I was confused that I had to install sudo manually. Maybe I unchecked something I shouldn't've? I plan on running it headless through CasaOS and so far (after the sudo side quest) have been having fun playing around in it.

@stephenhall1490

4 ай бұрын

When the debian installer asks for the root password just leave it blank. This will enable sudo automatically.

@paultapping9510

4 ай бұрын

sudo was probably installed (unless something realllly weird happened), but your user is not automatically added to the sudoers file (the one that gives users permission to use sudo)

@yigitorhan7654

4 ай бұрын

@@stephenhall1490 Can confirm.

@movax20h

4 ай бұрын

Debian doesn't install sudo in default installation. It is Ubuntu thing to install it by default.

This is truly amazing. Looks like my dual G5 gets another year running ;)

These videos are so nice!

I literally just did this with my powermac g5 from early 2005. I couldn't get Adelie working on it due to a bug in their installer. Even doing a manual partition, it wouldn't install. Slapped Debian on it and it worked. Crazy.

PowerPC isn't really abandoned, IBM still makes it for their AIX systems

That Cherokee is beautiful and I love it! I miss my 94 Cherokee deeply.

Yesssss! Linux content from action retro is always gonna be a fun video

I feel that pain upgrading the G4 iMac, None of the iMacs were fun to open up and figure out When my youngest was a little kid I gave him a G3 iMac with OS9, and maxed the ram and larger hdd, he loved it and all the games he had for it, and you just couldn't kill that OS. My oldest son had the graphite G3 iMac which i upgraded the ram and harddrive and installed Mac 10.2 Jaguar on, he loved that too. I had the dark bluish gray g4 tower, upgraded ram and hdd with 10.2 They were all fun to use at the time and always reliable.

all the repositories for all kernel modules are there, you can build your own kernel once you boot in with selected moduels for nearly any cpu architecture. you need to build software from source (make/install) and also required libaries.Thats how around year 2001 I could play a DVD on a cyrix 233Mhz with a GF4 64mb PCI card and 256 mb ram with no problems. people forget you can build several specific kernels leaving out unnessecery moduels for specific circumstances

Keep this quality content coming boss

you drive a 1998 jeep cherrokee and i drive a 2004 yamaha jog your intro was a mood

Most of us: "The 2004 Information Super Highway sure is fast." MySpace: "Hold my beer"

Nothing fancy, I’ve installed it on g3 ibook and works great! Next, I eill try on my maxed out performa 5400

Please upgrade the graphics card on the G5 to the max. Find the absolute best card that can be made to work. Also, look into replacing the power supply with a modern power supply. Some people have done that.

@rve_hardware

3 ай бұрын

I would love to see more info on the psu upgrade that you mention

I need to pull out and try this on my G5 quad, dual core QS, G4 mini, iMac G4, DLSD and possibly a G3 Pismo. Not the entire lineup, just a couple of my favorites.

Debian is awesome, by far and away the best Linux distro that I’ve used.

I run Debian on a maxed out G3 iMac DV. It works nicely, and dual boots with Tiger as the secondary OS.

I'm running debian stable on an upper midrange rig, and it's smooth like butter. I see no reason to ever switch DEs never mind distros! GNOME + Debian is just so excellent!

@escapetherace1943

3 ай бұрын

debian is basically what linux is if linux was pure. Maybe gentoo but debian is the pipeline

I have, not straight Debian, but Linux Mint Debian Edition 6, 32 bit, running on a Dell laptop from 2006. It works great. Saw everything including my wireless all-in-one printer and scanner and everything works perfectly. It has a Core Duo T2500 processor with 2GB of memory and an Nvidia Geforce Go 7800.

I love the text mode install on a Mac. Very cool

XFCE has always been my go-to on any system.

That's very neat! Now I'm curious where you got the Debian 12 installation image for 32-bit PPC_from_ . According to Debian's webpage on this port, it has been unsupported since Debian 8. So, did you start with that and dist-upgrade four times? If not, how _did_ you get Debian 12 onto this SSD of yours, and where did you get it _from_ ?

I mean, this is wonderful.

Nice XJ! I have a 94 myself!

I can't believe we ran computers on spinning disks of rust and rarely ever anything went wrong with that. You expect the disks to constantly crash.

You need to do a vid on antiX. It's insane for old hardware. They ship a patched version of 32-bit Pale Moon without PAE which can run on PCs from the late 90s and use modern web apps like KZread.

The only issue with running Debian on a 98 Cherokee is that you can't use Wayland and the kernel is not the latest.

@CommodoreFan64

4 ай бұрын

To be fair the kernel he showed is 6.6 which is the last LTS kernel with 6.7.0-0 being the last I'm seeing on Manjaro Gnome, but yeah I wonder how long it will take Debian to move over to Wayland, what another 10 years? 😅

@sugaryhull9688

4 ай бұрын

Wayland has been the default in GNOME since Debian 12

@MarcosCodas

4 ай бұрын

@@sugaryhull9688 the joke is about how Debian can run on a car.

@sugaryhull9688

4 ай бұрын

​@@MarcosCodasAh. Yeah. Wayland probably wouldn't run on a 98 Cherokee, but someone would sure try to get it to work lol

@CommodoreFan64

4 ай бұрын

​@@sugaryhull9688 But of course with Gnome as they are all in on Wayland, and it works really well(I'm using Manjaro Gnome on all my main PC's) but with all the other DE options, you gotta wonder how long will they take to update them to get full Wayland support, and if they will push it out the same time the DE devs do?

Finally, the quad g5 Linux shenanigans are back!

So awesome! Does powerppc have zram-tools compiled...that will help on lower RAM machines

I've installed Gentoo on an iMac G5 17" and a PowerMac G5 DualCore 2.0. If you're upgrading a video card on your PowerMac, I've found the Radeon HD3xxx series to be very stable considering, though it does have a slight color issue.

This is therapy to me

i love how much dosdude has done for the mac community. what a dude

i love debian - i've set up a terrible lenovo yoga as our family media-centre. debian is ideal because it won't do anything unexpected when my parents try to use it, but it's much faster than the oem windows 10 install. it just works! i'm thinking of using the 2008 imac in the attic instead, since it has a disc drive. needs further investigation.

It's incredibly funny to me coming from long time linux usage to hear it pretty slim when it includes the whole of OpenOffice. That thing was huge!

Dejavu! I was playing around with Debian 12 on my a1047 2ghz dual cpu PMG5 and ran into the same FF issue, settling on Dillo as well. I planned to install AF when I got some more free time. I used MATE though not XFCE. I like how XFCE is more responsive as MATE kinda chugs along and I don’t think I have video acceleration, so looking for a replacement gpu would probably help. Fun project for sure :)

Part of me wonders if using something like Gentoo Linux (where all the packages have to be manually built) would make a difference on these old and obscure architectures.

Yes! Debain!!!

I also ran this Linux on a G3 beige that has been upgraded to radeon, G4 533MHZ and SATA card and SSD. The configuration was LXDE desktop, and the NetSurf browser. I found ArcticFox too heavy, and Dillo too limited.

Great stuff, and yes I think the GPU is the issue in the G5, if you have an AMD card that will work in the system you will get a much better experience as AMD is just better supported with Linux open source drivers compared to Nvidia.

The fun thing is that the Linux kernel can still be run on IBM system 390 hardware. It still has support.

Just think, that Jeep was made when Windows 9x and Mac OS 8 were in common use!

You’ve got me eyeing my old PowerBook G4 to see how much I can incorporate it back into my low-tech writer’s workflow …

1 desktop memory stick, 1 laptop in the same system has to rank as one of the weirder things apple has done

always wanted to revive / update (it actually still runs with solaris and serves websites) an old SunFire v880 server at work with debian 10, which still supported the very old UltraSparc III CPUs from 2000... never had time to actually do it though.

I wish I still had my widescreen iMac G4! They seem really tough to find now, and I can’t imagine how badly they’d get destroyed in shipping

install it on a thermometer, smart wathc, phone, tv, boombox, smart fridge, washing machine, mp3 player, car infotainment and game console. then tell me if it can actually run on anything

Love it!

Oh hey, is that the Linux Tech Tips screwdriver? If so that's quite appropriate for such a project! Although now that I think about it, they don't talk about Linux tech tips very often on that channel, do they?

Well, now you have a machine for 10+ years… I have a 2009 iMac with mint, I’m pretty sure it will reach its 20 year birthday fully useful

I have a lamp mac but have to ask - why? But, love it. Thanks for the video.