That last video scene of her mother was haunting...she and her mom looked exactly alike. RIP; Kara Hultgreen, thank you for sharing.

@thenderson5509

3 жыл бұрын

Her mom, sadly pondering her loss. One day her daughter's career is being pushed by senater Boxer, Fienstein etc. The next day she's in a box.

@paullittle9187

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. She was the spitting image of her mother.

@collaborativedataaccounts3249

9 ай бұрын

Should have been in the home raising children instead of allowing herself to be a political pawn and having little skills to back it up.

@waistgunner3930

2 ай бұрын

Let's be real and honest as well as straightforward and truthful here. She was NOT qualified to fly these planes and should never have been allowed in one, but was fast-tracked into this because of gender. In the final analysis, what happened ultimately was simply pilot error... on HER PART; she screwed up big time (instead of being in a bedroom screwing someone).... and it cost the navy a high $$ aircraft. And...?? for her to be buried at ANC ? That's an insult to those brave dead who were killed in combat ...to have to share hallowed ground with some egotistical broad who should've been thrown out of this man's navy. This is the sad result of not standing up to the split-tail skirts.

@waistgunner3930

2 ай бұрын

RIP ? More like GFR (Good F**king Riddance).."Hellgroin",uhm, hultgreen

I was the Plane Captain (Crew Chief) on her plane that day. I know the real story.They can gloss it up all they want. This crash almost ruined several other guys and myself. Thankfully our Commanding Officer refused to let them blame her "issues" on us.

@adamchurvis1

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service, sir. Do you think you might approach a book publisher?

@gadsdenconsulting7126

4 жыл бұрын

What were her issues??? I'd like to hear the true story!!

@bigdeal7043

4 жыл бұрын

Howard Elzey : I heard there were issues with her flying skill and the the pressure to get women pilots in the fleet.

@flagmichael

4 жыл бұрын

@@bigdeal7043 I heard the earth is flat, also.

@markspencer171

4 жыл бұрын

@@gadsdenconsulting7126 Her issues were she was a woman trying to do a mans job and fucked it up .She was the cause of the crash, her fault all the way.

Kara was in VAQ-33 with me. She was a decent EA-6A pilot but we rarely, if ever took them to the boat. She could land it at an airfield no problem. Being in the F-14 and putting it on a carrier are two different skills from the environment she had in 33 though.

@howardman3926

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the input Joe Mama

@15BlackHawk

3 жыл бұрын

I was also in VAQ-33 with her. She was my Div-O (W/C120). I still have my original CDI qual with her signature on it.

@JoeMama-cl8cm

3 жыл бұрын

@Toora Varun I’m not a pilot for sure but I don’t play whatever game you mentioned. Wrong joe mama.

@JoeMama-cl8cm

3 жыл бұрын

@@15BlackHawk Andy, you and I were in Rota together. I was there when your shop fixed the ribs on one of the planes and Skipper Vinson gave your chief an on the spot NAM.

@15BlackHawk

3 жыл бұрын

@@JoeMama-cl8cm OK, @Joe Mama. I'm intrigued. Who are you?

There are several videos that explain what lead up to the crash as well as the political back story. A 60 minutes piece also digs into the behind the scenes pressure on the Navy at the time. Ward Carrol, a former Navy RIO, has a great channel

@kevinmalone3210

Ай бұрын

Ward explained on his channel that Hultgreen's F-14 was recoverable. She used the wrong procedure to correct the flying capabilities of her aircraft when the left engine flamed out.

I was on active duty when this happened and I happen to be a plankowner of the Abraham Lincoln CVN-72. It was well known in the Navy at the time that the pilot was dangerous. she had been rushed through the training pipeline and is was known that she had made a number of errors in the training that would have prevented a male pilot from graduating from flight school. These were ignored because the USN was under great pressure from Congress to get a female fighter pilot in the air for PR purposes. The results of ignoring those events are shown here.

@oxxnarrdflame8865

4 жыл бұрын

QMC Ret. are you sure, that sounds like bullshit scuttlebutt to me.

@dennisryan6370

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks QMC.....Some folks can't handle the Truth.

@ricks1314

4 жыл бұрын

The Squadron Skipper sent off a message before the accident practically begging that she be removed from duty.

@Xman8184

4 жыл бұрын

@@ricks1314 And your info source is from - - - ?

@RobTheNotary

4 жыл бұрын

QMC Ret. quite a price to pay for being “stylish”

I remember that week someone sent her almost qualified school flight records to media - the records quickly & quietly got forgotten - any talk of her getting rushed to fly was a taboo subject . . . even today

@jaylopes8489

3 жыл бұрын

@@switted823 This and many ! I was in the military when Reagan was President - he finally let women on ships ( a 2,000+ year taboo) i forgot the name of the ship but it left Virginia and after 6 months got to Europe - the joke was the ships nickname in Europe was the "Love boat" - 60% of the women were pregnant Women on ships have been a no no for over 2,000 years for a reason - they just cause problems - a distraction from the mission . . . 👋🇵🇹

@margraveofgadsden8997

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaylopes8489 it’s a complete distraction from the buggery. If there’s women on board, how can you justify the gay orgies?

@jaylopes8489

3 жыл бұрын

@@margraveofgadsden8997 Strange human urges will never go away - on a contained area like a ship or worse a submarine the only thing you can do to minimize potential problems is avoid adding extra issues that would perpetuate drama . . .

@thebuddhaofknowledgemichae2486

3 жыл бұрын

@@margraveofgadsden8997 shut up

@thebuddhaofknowledgemichae2486

3 жыл бұрын

@@margraveofgadsden8997 whatever loser. Shut up.

The 60 Minutes article gives a lot more info. She was in over her head and nobody had the guts to demote her.

@OldGlaseye-gf7si

3 жыл бұрын

If she had been a guy, he would have washed out, never see the boat in a F-14...

@saucejohnson9862

3 жыл бұрын

A retired F-14 pilot did a full video on it and it was pilot error.

@salpairadice

3 жыл бұрын

. I saw that video, and I bought the story. Then I did more research. It was not Revlon's fault. That is a bad airplane that had a lot of crashes and few of them were publicized like this one. The Navy had to rewrite their procedures and they still didn't get it right. Circling to land in a jet that is a death machine if it has a compressor stall is just horrible operations

@russkydeutsch

3 жыл бұрын

It actually was partly her fault. She made incorrect control inputs which exacerbated the situation. But overall, yes, the tomcat during this period of time had engine problems, which was the main cause. However, this could have bee prevented if it weren't for liberals, and their "progressivism" mindset. She never should have been allowed to fly the tomcat after failing MULTIPLE carrier qualifications. But, because of liberal politics, navy leaders were pressured into keeping her in the cockpit in the name of "equality". This is one of the many dangers of voting democrat, and the progressive left which is slowly destroying our country.

@LichaelMewis

3 жыл бұрын

@@russkydeutsch I wish more people thought the way you did. You are 💯 correct.

Dad was stationed at NAS Miramar when the incident happened... It's a sad day when ANY military pilot goes down....

@StitchsLoft

2 жыл бұрын

I was too she was in Hangar 4

According to the official Navy Safety Commission, Kara ignored wave-offs as soon as she botched the landing. The ground crew was pleading (as the video shows) to her to raise gear and abort landing. Yet, she ignored the orders. She had screwed up the landing three times that day only and she was on probation already because she had 4 major violations (called downs). She continued to try to make a sharp correction to the left which resulted in the left wing dropping below 45 degrees essentially making the plane unrecoverable at such low altitude and low speed. Usually, after two major violations, the aviator is let go in the Navy, but this time political pressure prevented Navy from firing her. Shortly after she died, Kara Lohrenz (who was having similar 7 downs), was fired.

@dphorgan

5 жыл бұрын

Roger Mahajan You don't get fired from the US Navy. You get discharged....

@barthill9578

5 жыл бұрын

What's the difference?

@dknowles60

4 жыл бұрын

@@dphorgan same thing it's the type of discharge that counts

@rskypuppy2000

4 жыл бұрын

@@dphorgan, I do not know about the Navy, but you damn sure can get fired from your job in the Army. Getting fired means losing your position and being transferred to another job. So yes, David Horgan, you can get fired in the Military.

@nealokelly

3 жыл бұрын

How quickly do you think the landing gear goes up?!?!?!

It's a lot more complicated than explained here: There was intense political interest in her progress and pressure on the Navy to get a female qualified in the F-14. An equal male pilot would have washed out but with daily calls from senate offices she was given additional instruction and opportunities. After getting low and overshooting the centerline Hultgreen used the rudder and some roll to try to get the airplane back to the centerline and also increased the AOA . The yaw induced by applying the rudder and the high aoa combined to cause a stall in the left engine which was not immediately recognized. With the aircraft still in its high drag landing configuration , lots of asymmetrical power and decaying airspeed the airplane started into a spin . In addition to her struggling with the aircraft pilots in the squadron were not discouraged from using rudder to help alignment her rear seater should have been more help with the decaying airspeed and increasing aoa she missed the engine fail light The Navy , under lots of political pressure announced that other pilots had difficulty recovering from the incipient spin. However, what they failed to say is that the training is supposed to keep you out of that region. Sadly Hultgreen, a great pilot in other aircraft was put in a place where she had a high probability of failing and put there out of an effort to achieve political correctness rather than equality.

@saints51

5 жыл бұрын

". . . daily calls from senate offices she was given additional instruction and opportunities." Holy shit. Are you kidding me? These senators have her death on their hands. Who were these guys?

@davidjose9808

4 жыл бұрын

Try Boxer’s office for comment

@sidstapleton1090

3 жыл бұрын

Ooooo Janice Janice

@sidstapleton1090

3 жыл бұрын

Jan ice

@boiseit694

3 жыл бұрын

@@saints51 The same people leftists keep pushing on us because they back critical race theory and affirmative action. It's all about optics these days, not reality.

I was stationed at Miramar I was in VF 51 As an AO2. I frequently saw her at the base gym, she was a very attractive woman. A year or two later I had the interesting encounter of speaking with the Navy seal diver who recovered her body. He in no way sugarcoated his experience, she had been down there for about five days when they recovered her body. Having conversations with pilots of the era, they were of the impression that she had been pushed along too quickly, and had not had the experience to be doing what she was doing. I just remember that was the mood of the overall fighter community. Very sad we lost her though.

@ikaikamaleko8370

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, interesting. The whole thing was sad, I remember hearing about it on the news.

@josephg3231

3 жыл бұрын

How much did the "recovery cost the U.S. taxpayers?

@MrJeffcoley1

4 ай бұрын

That's exactly what I remember about the incident. The Navy was under political pressure to have the "first woman F14 pilot." When she crashed and died the official line was she was the bestest F14 pilot evarr, even Chuck Yeager on his best day in his prime couldn't have done any better. There were persistent rumors that she was a marginal F14 pilot and had she been male she would have been cut long before the accident that killed her. I don't know if that was true, but when diversity and representation are the primary concerns rather than ability it's hard not to think so.

@jimbo1959

2 ай бұрын

That's exactly what I heard as well.@@MrJeffcoley1

@jlo7770

Ай бұрын

5 days? It said it took 19 to recover her? Or was her the multi million dollar jet she crashed into the ocean?

There is so much to explain here. First of all, it was absolutely pilot error. She wrapped it up because she was going wide right for lineup...You CANNOT do that in the F14. You will starve the inboard engine and get a compressor stall...She should have shallowed her AOB, angle of bank and executed a go around. Period...Bad approach always lead to a bad landing....Lets look at her pilot skills...Out of flight school she was sent to a land based squadron in Key West. She flew A-6 Intruders for 2 years and then was put in F-14s. She was not given a fleet squadron because she had bad boat grades in flight school..She received 4 downs in the F-14 RAG, training squadron for the F-14...Two downs and you are no longer a Naval Aviator....Period....The Navy was pushing hard to put 2 female pilots in F-14s, F-18s and every other jet squadron for that carrier....The pressure was from the CNO all the way down to the Squadron CO flying with Kara and giving her a free pass on one flight....Her Boat grades (landing grades at the carrier) were extremely bad...This was an accident waiting to happen..The RIO punched out about 0.2 seconds before it was too late....He almost went head first into the water on a rocket seat ride....You can say all you want about Kara....I lived it....I know exactly the pressure that was placed on that squadron...I went to SERE school with THAT squadron CO....Many F-14 flight instructors were disgusted that they were not being listened to in 1993 into 1994 about Kara and her female squadron mate....She was FENAB, a board was convened to decide if she could keep her wings....She was never to fly again...Her boat grades sucked....The F-14 was extremely challenging to bring abroad the boat...Many good sticks failed CQ and were sent to drive ships....Those are facts....People die. The business of Naval Aviation is unforgiving.

@higherkite

3 жыл бұрын

@Gage Johns comment was more professional and included good info. You are using way too much emotion, and should just delete your comment. Start over with a better intro, use your "factual" knowledge, then counter his argument on her historical failures as a naval aviator. As much of a tragedy as this was, you shouldnt argue with emotion.

@higherkite

3 жыл бұрын

Gage Jesus man, you’re using a lot of accusations and name-calling. I’m gonna do what most people do in this situation and just disregard everything you say. You’re too emotional for me. I’m gonna stick with what John said because of it

@aj-2savage896

3 жыл бұрын

@Gage Actually, they go pretty far out of their way to NOT fault the pilot.

@sullybiker6520

3 жыл бұрын

@Gage I guess all her recorded training mishaps - enough to get a man kicked off - had nothing to do with it. I guess her repeated mishandling during a known dangerous part of the F-14 flight envelope had nothing to do with it either.

@TheSassie35

3 жыл бұрын

Gage you lost all credibility with the Palin comment. That was from a SNL skit.

I was at the physically therapy building at Balboa Naval hospital in San Diego back then. I had just had my ACL replaced and was doing physical therapy for it.. There was a, like Back school going on also in the same room I was in. It's for people who had injured their backs, showing them how to get out of bed with the least amount of pain and so forth. There was a officer in his flight suit next to me and we started talking. I asked him how he screwed up his back and he said he had to eject for his F-14 recently. He asked me if I had seen the news about the F-14 that crashed awhile ago and I said yes. He told me he was the backbseater. So I had to ask what happened? He did the look around to see if anybody was listening to us and said, " well when we were coming in, she was having trouble, so I liked leaned foward to try to see what was going on" He looked me straight in the face, shook his head no, and he pulled the handles. He said he had no time to sit back in the seat, he had to get out. I remember all the blacked out faces of fighter pilots from Miramar on the news claiming she wasn't qualified to fly the F-14, and that the higher ups(Admirals and politicians) were pushing hard to get a woman in the front seat of a tomcat. Its so unfortunate (understatment) that she died to satisfy all the people demanding a woman be able to fly the F-14...

@linanicolia1363

4 жыл бұрын

So he hurt his back. It sucks but he is alive ! That was a close call .

@aj-2savage896

3 жыл бұрын

@@linanicolia1363 No thank to his pilot. That's the point.

@amjan

3 жыл бұрын

@@linanicolia1363 Ejections are very dangerous, because the compression caused by speed of the rockets that thrust you up is so big (~12Gs) that it breaks people's backs and even the limbs.

@Tarheel13

2 жыл бұрын

Sure….

Kicking the rudder hard when you are low & slow in that model F-14 causes the nose to swing and disrupt the airflow going in to the engine intake, the engine that stalled. Disrupting the airflow at the same times as demanding full power is to be avoided for the obvious reasons. Once you lose power in one engine, the right engine is widely spaced, not like F-18s, and the asymmetric thrust exaggerates your problems. Lots of emphasis in F-14 training was put on maintaining lineup and how to avoid engine stalls near the boat.

@moxiedrapo2391

7 жыл бұрын

daveyl123 I don't believe I am the only person reading your offensive/terribly biased/sexist retorts on this thread that you, yourself just proved the depth of... everything you just said: authoritarian nature being unwelcome among civilian populations, controlling behavior, etc, etc, provide enough fodder to prove your mindset is well just generally offensive, period.

@linanicolia1363

4 жыл бұрын

you can see the nose swing so you assume she hit the rudder really hard ? why would she do that ? Since she decided to make a left turn, she automatically hit the rudder....not figuring out what her real problems were ? did she know she had lost the left engine ? Surely she did.

@irvancrocs1753

3 жыл бұрын

@@moxiedrapo2391 It's been 3 years but thanks for the laugh..

@dpeagles

3 жыл бұрын

@@moxiedrapo2391 Haha. You are a fool.

@B2508pir

3 жыл бұрын

@@moxiedrapo2391 All due respect, if you didn’t serve in the military then please keep your PC civilian bs to yourself bc you have no clue what your talking about. You say comments like that are unwelcome in civilian populations, well your comments are unwelcome military populations bc you clearly don’t have a fucking clue how much your PC/SLW bullshit puts lives at risk which you clearly no nothing about so shut the fuck up!

I was an Ordnanceman at 124 before she went to 213. She was incredibly nice to me during pre flights and had the most beautiful eyes I had ever seen. You would see her running all the time and was incredibly fit maybe she just didn’t have the skills. I was at VF1 prior to 124 and 213 wasn’t a squadron you wanted to go to for sure. 213 had lots of mishaps and seemed to have a black cloud over them all the time. I agree there should only be one set of standards for flying Jets that’s why there will never be female SEALS. Let’s not bad mouth someone who was serving they’re country and lost her life no matter what she was a patriot who loved her country!🙏🏻🇺🇸⚓️ USN 89-95

@lunaticfringe5834

3 жыл бұрын

Your last sentence was dead nuts on!! 95B 84-90.

@gunsmoke6230

3 жыл бұрын

@@lunaticfringe5834 LAW AND ORDER🙏🏻🇺🇸⚓️

@jeffsmith9351

3 жыл бұрын

@@gunsmoke6230 wow u guys are so far gone

@martygivens6726

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffsmith9351 What's wrong with one standard for everyone?

@jeffsmith9351

3 жыл бұрын

@@martygivens6726 nothing Its the law and order shouting american flag posting types that irritate me

By all accounts, she performed perfectly well in the EA-6 but had difficulties in qualifying as an F-14 pilot. She had no business in a Tomcat. No shame in that, plenty of naval aviators do not qualify to fly fighters. This was avoidable.

@aallan4776

2 жыл бұрын

Was she stationed in Meridan

@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017

2 жыл бұрын

And now the first female F-35 pilot crashed into the deck of the Vinson on her first flight.

@Dan-cn2rj

2 жыл бұрын

And who was officer in charge on deck of the USS Fitzgerald crash that killed a bunch of sailors? Woke Navy gonna get thrashed in 5 years

@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dan-cn2rj Bryce Benson was a female?

@johnbaxster8010

2 жыл бұрын

Men and woman were created for different roles.We dont need to see what they will do in combat aircraft.It doesnt benefit the military in anyway it just causes more problems and at the end of the experiment we learn what we already knew ,woman are not well suited to fly combat aircraft ,its just the fact that keeps proving itself

I was onboard Abraham Lincoln when this incicident happened. I was on watch in the super structure manning the radar room. I remember seeing the LT walk the passageways at times and the hanger deck. Seeing this video 15 yrs later brings back memories of that fateful day.

@pizza_parker9689

4 жыл бұрын

Simply Loving The Simple Life how is there 5 people in the comments who ”were ob the abraham lincoln” and saw the crash? I call bs

@TrendingHeadlinesTV

4 жыл бұрын

Pizza parker, what are you talking about? There are 6,000 people onboard at one time usually. There are 6,000 people that were there when it happened. Im lucky to have seen this video representation of this accident. I never newit existed. I really dont care if you believe what I said about being there that day off the coast of San Diego. Go get a life; questioning a veterans duty?

@pizza_parker9689

4 жыл бұрын

Patriot Ninja jeez chill im just saying there are a lot of people who were on the carrier and saw this video

@howardman3926

3 жыл бұрын

@@pizza_parker9689 It's really not that unlikely. My dad was on the flight deck when it happened. He was an Ordnanceman

@pizza_parker9689

3 жыл бұрын

@J&S Luvcrm2014 i guesse

I was deployed flying Hawkeyes in the MED when this happened. We were the first cruise to deploy with female aviators. We sent one home after our first CQ period due to continued sub standard landing performance. We had other females who were rock solid flyers. I agree that the PC crowd pushed to hard to get the females qualled up. Very sad.

@gorgeous6737

3 жыл бұрын

It just going to get worse...

@thunderbird1921

3 жыл бұрын

I just feel bad for the actually qualified gals who are getting a bad image because of the political PC crap.

@DieselRamcharger

3 жыл бұрын

@@gorgeous6737 GOOD. Fuck the military. Bunch of murderers promoting world wide tyranny.

@owmyeye3333

3 жыл бұрын

@@DieselRamcharger When I see comments like yours all I can think is “God please bless the mentally disabled, they know not what they do.”

@DieselRamcharger

3 жыл бұрын

@@owmyeye3333 Yeah thats right. Im the mentally disabled one. Not the guy begging imaginary sky people for favors.....But you do you boo. Keep casting them stones, im 100% POSITIVE you are NOT in a glass house.

Indian Airforce lost an An32 due to a panicked quota pilot. There is also a case of a brigadier's daughter who crashed a perfectly docile kiran trainer on what was probably her first solo.

The wave off and the command to raise your gear means go around not try to correct the overshoot by applying full left rudder and full throttle (afterburner). She had plenty of fuel so there was no immediate need to get the plane on the carrier. If people are interested in what it’s like to fly the F14 this is a great video. This pilot talks about committing recovery procedures to memory (4:00) and states the highest stress point is the last 30 seconds of final approach and landing (4:50) kzread.info/dash/bejne/kZ18mNKKcdvKhaQ.html

@cheeseman7453

3 жыл бұрын

Seems that left wing stall too she started turning

@Knightfang1

3 жыл бұрын

The F-14A in combination with the TF-30 engine was a technological disaster. The TF-30 was prone to Compressor stalls if there was any disruption of airflow into the intakes and the F-14 intakes tended to have disrupted airflow in excessive yaw situations. When she went full left rudder and full throttle the left engine became starved of air and stalled. At the same moment the right engine was at full afterburner causing a significant asymmetric thrust imbalance which compounded the problem. She did not have Altitude, airspeed or time to correct for the stall and roll that resulted

@SurviveTheDay

3 жыл бұрын

@@Knightfang1 completely agree based on what I’ve researched about the aircraft design and the engines that were paired with the airframe. Here’s a good video about the F14 A. The pilot in the video talks about committing recovery procedures to memory (4:00) and states the highest stress point is the last 30 seconds of final approach and landing (4:50) kzread.info/dash/bejne/kZ18mNKKcdvKhaQ.html

@johnhanson9245

3 жыл бұрын

She did not apply left rudder. She applied right stick which aggravated the left roll. She should have simply used right rudder which is a bold face item as is raising your gear. You notice she was very slow to raise her gear. Why? She was out of her league flying a plane that was kicking her ass.

@desertodavid

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnhanson9245 you're exactly right. Ward Caroll an F14 RIO did an in-depth report based on analysis of this event and this pilot.

the full rudder correction caused the compressor stall...she was not in "the groove "

@mikehenthorn1778

3 жыл бұрын

no the drill for compressor stall in F14 is rudded after angle of attack at 10 up. no stick except small amounts. ther were 5 items added to the drill because the F14 would do these stalls and the reaction is stick not rudder. that roll can not be fixed with stick. it makes it go faster. the RIO is normally the one who makes the call to eject the crew because the pilot is a bit busy at the time. look at the time stamps. they are already at 45 degrees left roll when the canopy blows. then the RIO seat goes and he is almost shot into the water. he would have had to pull the handle when the engine failed to have time to save her.

read the report as to the cause of the stall. she killed herself through errors specifically warned against.

@Cesar.Duarte_II

4 жыл бұрын

Woman am I right

@Ma007rk

4 жыл бұрын

@Long Range Rifle This is one of these proverbial "Thousand pound Elephants in the living room that nobody wants to talk about" situations. She should have washed out, plain and simple, But because she had a vagina she was able to slip thru the cracks. Just because she couldn't be a fighter pilot does not mean that she couldn't be a transport or heavy cargo pilot. This is political correctness gone horribly wrong.

@thehassaankhalid

4 жыл бұрын

No one ever died making a beef burger

@calvinlee1813

4 жыл бұрын

What's your opinion on LCDR J. Stacey Bates? Sprout had an interesting career in Air Wing 11 as well. What's your word on him?

@calvinlee1813

4 жыл бұрын

@Long Range Rifle Like say LCDR J.S. Sprout Bates?

I was on the Lincoln when this happened. This was an unqualified pilot that had been fast tracked through training so they could claim having a female fighter pilot. She was dangerous and unskilled. A male pilot would have been grounded if they acted the way she did.

@TheBelrick

3 жыл бұрын

This video is pure female pandering. She screwed the approach then panic reaction caused her to push to full thrust, a known method to stall jet engines. Whats more, slower female reaction speeds resulted in her failing to eject on time, unlike the male rio

@matthewcasey5059

3 жыл бұрын

The Navy wanted to put the tail hook incident behind them and getting a woman on the stick of a very capable and powerful fighter was the way to go.

@TheBelrick

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewcasey5059 navies dont need women. they need the most competent people willing to risk their lives in combat. aka men

@matthewcasey5059

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBelrick I disagree the Navy and the military in general needs the most competent people in place whether they’re male or female. Set the standard and don’t waiver from it to accommodate anyone.

@TheBelrick

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewcasey5059 people intended to be born heroic with extreme reactions and strength are born male There is a damn reason why sports are gender segregated, including chess. women cannot compete with men

Amazing what difference 0.4 seconds can make.

@keepinghealthy3332

3 жыл бұрын

She shouldn't have been flying. She was just not qualified.

@theorangekindle4565

3 жыл бұрын

Not to mention that no one can turn back time, and if can it takes alot of force, so it is better to never embrace evil, never to killing, stealing and destroying. For there are alot of possibilities in regards with this scenario. And we can see it if we look closer and that time will be needed.

@theorangekindle4565

3 жыл бұрын

Even a .01 matters or even lower or higher, it affects the accuracy of the angle even in regards with time.

@theorangekindle4565

3 жыл бұрын

And that all souls are witnesses, they need protection. Guilty or not.

@Jilktube

3 жыл бұрын

Wat

I’m guessing Lt. Klemish was bright enough to keep his hand on the ejection mechanisms on every single takeoff/landing he did with her, that caution probably saved his life.

@vetb882

4 жыл бұрын

Don't be A DICK. armchair expert. Like the rest of these hater fahk heads the most dangerous think you do is too out of yet fkking beds then drive like the brain dead schitts you are. I see ppl like you weaving all the fkking road... Let the woman RIP and this really isn't just for you but every other fat assed douchebag who had NEVER DARED GREATLY at a gawd damn thing....you creepy weak assed souls. Did you feeble moved shhhts even stop to think about the end credits, where THE SHIT ENGINE was the fault....or that a dozen MEN ALSO DIED FROM SAID SHHT ENGINE? NOOO, it's good she's a woman. I hope you AZZHOLES never hey a piece of psssy for the test of your lives.... YOU SUCKKKK!!! 😲😧

@pizza_parker9689

4 жыл бұрын

vetb882 the fuck? You know the engine stalled cause of her turning left too fast you asshole that made the engine not get enough air and thus stalled. Do your research you overripe mango

@supercar2129

4 жыл бұрын

She was fucckable, but I think she had her liquor license. LoL😂👍😱☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

@pizza_parker9689

4 жыл бұрын

Super Car hmm yes

@bernieweber4663

4 жыл бұрын

@@pizza_parker9689 The engine stalled because of a Pressure Ratio Bleed Control failed. It controls a valve that then controls all of the bleed valves on the engine. That particular engine had previous stalls also. It had stalled out prior to the has of the plane.

Factually wrong as to your description of engine fault. Lt Hultgreen sideslipped the plane harshly to compensate for overshoot, a maneuver warned against in training and F14 flight manual, this sideslip upset airflow to the inboard engine causing compressor stall. She had 4 'outs' in training, 2 outs is enough to be washed out. In a rush to be the first service to deploy a female combat pilot the brass sent the word down to pass the girl despite insructor pilots disagreement. In fact ,she was cautioned and failed for the exact sideslipping /mishandling that killed her. Diversity, affimative action,and political correctness is a race to the bottom, literally, in the case of ' Revlon'. All of this can be read in the official Navy report on line.

@cglandorf

7 жыл бұрын

Damian Frattasio Thanks for the only factual comment here. Once in the groove, only bank should be used for regaining centerline, not rudder. As you said, the F14 was less forgiving than the F18, but rudder input for corrections in the groove is still considered an inappropriate control action.

@joel1239871

7 жыл бұрын

Sources for this information? Can you post the link, please?

@dobravery

7 жыл бұрын

The incident was also simulated using veteran pilots. They did not have much better success at all. The conclusion was more that had she been a more experienced pilot, she'd have ejected sooner--boosting her survival chances.

@EdgemanLL2

7 жыл бұрын

Craig--not necessarily. In an A6, E2/C2 and S3 for example, youll see more aggressive ruddering v banking on short final. Its a way to guard against wing tips striking the round down. If she were back in the A6, likely would have landed without incident. But design peculiarities to the F14 made it more vulnerable to compressor stalls at low speed, with abrupt yawing moments.

@cglandorf

7 жыл бұрын

EdgemanLL2 Good point about the A6 and COD.

" If it says Pratt and Whitney on the engines it better say Martin Baker on the ejection seat"

@OldGlaseye-gf7si

3 жыл бұрын

The TF-30 was junk and was ‘supposed’ to be replaced quickly with new, probably GE, engines in the ‘B’ model. BUT the F-14 fighter desk screwed the pooch and was also overwhelmed by the Hornet mafia. BUT hultgreen forgot the ‘set 10 degrees, step on the good engine, gear up and jettison’ boldface.

With due respect to the deceased and her family, this brief video seems to point blame at the F-14A's engine performance, and whilst that may be partially true, I believe the full investigation determined that had the pilot performed inputs as per mandated doctrine, which details the asymmetric regime at low speed, this accident was 100% avoidable and the aircraft and crew would have successfully trapped on go-around! For a full breakdown on this accident, I'd suggest watching the Ward Carroll video (retired Naval F-14 Tomcat RIO) and his professional analysis of Revlon's critical errors prior to ejection!

@TheFatNumpty

Жыл бұрын

Yes I’d second watching the Ward Carroll content, not to knock Allec in any way of course!

Retired airline pilot---you think losing the left engine and applying full left rudder had anything to do with it? Big time pilot error!

@knowsmebyname

4 жыл бұрын

If she was promoted beyond her ability then some people have blood on their hands. I am no expert but jet fighter pilots probably aren't the type of people to doubt themselves. It falls on my others to tell them "you are not ready."

@georgekraus8454

4 жыл бұрын

If Sully had recognized his problem and reacted instantly he wouldn't have had to land in the Hudson.

@zutrue

4 жыл бұрын

Perhaps it was "Big time pilot error'" as you claim. Question...How many males have made "big time pilot errors'?? How many Airlines have made them??? Just a student working on my PPL, but I have already seen some incompetent, blow hard males who make mistakes. The fact is she was a pilot in good standing until the day she died.

@Harley08

4 жыл бұрын

Long Range Rifle Your Chauvinism opinion.

@mrk3032

4 жыл бұрын

CP73: I couldn't agree more. I'm also a retired airline pilot. Think about it, had she survived the ejection, given the airline hiring climate in the 1990s & the 2000s, today she'd be a senior "Legacy" wide body captain, probably UAL.

She turned left on a dead left engine while applying power on right. It plowed her right into the ocean.

@williammoyer413

3 жыл бұрын

Crashing onto the carrier would have been worse. More would have died.

@dpeagles

3 жыл бұрын

@Adil Alfa haha ... you are clueless

@theshermantanker7043

3 жыл бұрын

To be honest, I'm not sure if she was aware that the left engine died on her while she was turning left. RIP Ms Hultgreen

@brianbiddle7590

3 жыл бұрын

@@theshermantanker7043 thats what i was thinking also. Add into the lso saying full power right after the engine died makes for a lot of things going on all at once.

@Vickzq

3 жыл бұрын

@@brianbiddle7590 I heard the footage... he never said full power. He said "power".

RIO´s hand on the ejection seat handle on every flight...

@ripvanwinkle1819

4 жыл бұрын

Dam right that was on his mind.

@Bankable2790

3 жыл бұрын

Is this true?

@jaylopes8489

3 жыл бұрын

Poor guy almost died because of Political correctness 👋🇵🇹

@sed6

3 жыл бұрын

And it saved his life!

@elaineeverhart3910

3 жыл бұрын

Says all I need to know

Wow! That is so terrible. I never heard of that incident until I saw your video here. Thanks for creating this. Truly heart breaking.

Lowering any standard to accommodate lessers Has never been “the right thing to do” Very sad but that’s our world now At soooo many levels

@kennyc388

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda like affirmative action (racism)

@TheBelrick

3 жыл бұрын

Western navies are now full of diversity hires. My prediction based on logic, observation and history lessons? As soon as shooting and dying starts those women in key positions will leave the service by any means necessary. Yeah likely means pregnancy despite it being illegal to do so. its not like women get sent to jail. Sacrifice and heroism is a male trait and should a person been intended to serve as a warrior they would of been born male

@michaelallen1396

3 жыл бұрын

You ain't seen nothing yet, the pressure to hire marginal pilots is so enormous you'll see airliners going down by the dozen in the next 50 years.

@TheBelrick

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelallen1396 The entire western world economy is in dire straights. Boomer knowledge hasnt been passed on to Gen-x let alone Gen-y-z. Diversity hiring, ie: anti white male bigotry, is rife everywhere. You can witness a dramatic decline in quality and competence in any industry you care to investigate.

@butchp568

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBelrick idiot

I am a former carrier aviator (A-6 Intruders) and former staffer at the Naval Safety Center, working in aviation safety. I have nothing against female aviators, although I personally witnessed that the rules were bent for political purposes to get them through the program. Most of them did OK after some experience, but I can't say having them raised the bar for naval aviation excellence. A lot of aviators have died trying to land on the boat, but we wouldn't even be talking about this one if the pilot wasn't female. In this accident, yes, there was a technical aspect, but she messed up, no question. When I saw the animation of her approach, I was screaming inside, "Level your wings, get the yaw out, go around!" That was even before the LSO called waveoff. If she had done that, she would have been OK. I have no idea why she did what she did, but it was wrong and against everything she was taught. I have seen pilots come out of a low ceiling approach, way off centerline like that and save the landing, but it is not recommended, it takes an exceptional pilot and you only take such a risk if you are low on fuel and there is no tanker.

@carlbancroft7673

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate your opinion and experience and your respect regarding my cousin, thank you for not being like so many trolls on here who know nothing about the military and my cousin yet seem to believe they have the right to attack her & her fellow female aviators when they do not. Both my family & I are thankful for your service & your politeness & respect with your posting. Thank you! God Bless!

@carlbancroft7673

3 жыл бұрын

@Thunderbolt Thank you for your service, expertise and your kindness regarding this matter. I truly appreciate you sharing your experience regarding the aircraft. Over the years we had learned much of the dark sides of that aircraft. P.S. I love John Glenn and he is definitely missed by many, he paved the way for so much in the Space Enviroment! Thank you again!

@PInk77W1

3 жыл бұрын

Go around could and has saved many lives.

@michaelbrower3068

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your thoughtful comments. It's interesting you say that we wouldn't even be talking about this accident if the pilot wasn't female. Of course, that's true, but given the hostility of so many comments here because Kara Hultgreen was a woman, it's worth stressing this point. As you say, a lot of aviators have died trying to land on carriers - and ALL of them (before Kara) were male. Did some of them screw up badly, as Kara apparently did? Of course - but nobody turns *those* incidents into attacks on the competence of male pilots. (Consider the many well-known examples of incomprehensible pilot error by male commercial pilots, including: flying drunk, taking off or landing on the wrong runway, nearly landing on a taxi way, taking off without proper clearance, shutting down the one working engine when the other caught fire, forgetting to lower the landing gear, forgetting to lower flaps, etc., etc..) None of this is to say that the Navy *didn't* give the first female pilots a special break. I have no way to judge, but it wouldn't be a big surprise, and it shouldn't happen. (I'm sure some below-grade male pilots have also slipped through because of political connections or other influence, though.) I think we should see these events (*both* the Navy's actions, and the hostility directed at women from some quarters) as a hopefully temporary phase while women became fully integrated into the military in all roles, combat or support. In the generation that's passed since this accident, female and male pilots have begun serving side by side with far greater frequency, and I hope the next generation will not give it a second thought.

@neilpaterson9341

3 жыл бұрын

@@carlbancroft7673 Hi It seems to me that the real reason for what happened to your cousin is straight out affirmative action, and that her death can be laid squarely at the door of one Patricia Schroeder, who apparently insisted that she be continued in the program, regardless of the difficulties she faced. Some of these people commenting seem stupidly blind to me. They talk about how a man would have been taken off the program for less downs than Kara, and that would be true, by the sounds of it. But they can't seem to make the obvious jump to the fact that if that standard had been applied to Kara, she would not have been in a position to have had her accident !! Duhhh!!!! So, effectively, they are saying that if she was a man, she would not have had the accident, because she would have been off the program. They also completely overlook another stark fact - the Navy CHOSE her for the program. That was no accident. They must have thought very highly of her to make that choice. Are they then saying that the Navy was stupid ? There was one comment that caught my attention, from a guy who said that if you were flying an A6, as she had done for many hours, then if you were in the situation she was, where you were off the centreline coming in to land, the thing to do was exactly the thing she did, ie full rudder and full power. I wondered if she instinctively did what she was so used to doing, which was not the right thing to do in a Tomcat. There are so many subtle things to be learned in the comments. One guy commenting was in hospital with her RIO, after the accident. Her RIO told him that he leaned forward, to see what was going on in the cockpit, saw what was happening, and then he straight away initiated the ejection, he didn't even take time to lean back first, which shows you how bad he saw the situation was. As I am sure you know, his seat fired 0.4 seconds before hers, but there is another factor I discovered also. If you are looking along the length of the fuselage, from the rear of the aircraft, the RIO's ejector seat fires slightly off to the right, and the pilot's fires slightly off to the left. This would have meant that Kara would have had even less chance of surviving, as her seat directed her more into the water, in this event, and the RIO's more into the air. I saw several comments from guys who knew Kara, and one mentioned how she was extremely kind to him, and others how she was always in the gym, and running, so she obviously took her fitness seriously. I looked up a little on the great Google, because it struck me kinda right between the eyes that Kara had a considerable number of flying hours, over 1,200, and something like 58 carrier landings to her credit. One description said that landing a fighter on a carrier is really a controlled crash, and that the aircraft decelerates from 155 knots to zero, in about 1.2 seconds, and for the pilot, it feels like you arms and legs will be torn off. I am sure that most of these armchair "experts" could not even begin to hope to do what she was doing. I feel so very much for Kara - apparently it was her fourth attempt to land on the carrier, and it seems to me, you have to ask yourself why she would disobey the instructions to pull up the gear, apply power, and go around. It's all very well for these commenters to say she should not have done this,or that, but to me, it speaks to the pressure she was under. Too much pressure. I just wanted to say that I feel for Kara, and the position she was put in, I feel for you, and your family, and I think we all lost an exceptional human being that day. God bless you, and your family. My condolences to you all.

My two cents worth: The pilot induced the compressor stall but the TF-30 design was susceptible to compressor stalls. If she had been flying a B or D the crash would not have happened.

@theiceana7237

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, a person who knows that an incident can have more than one cause. Finally, someone with a little bit of cognitive capability.

@schumifan78

4 жыл бұрын

Big problem, she wasn't flying the B or the D was she?

@orencio1969

4 жыл бұрын

Still don't change the fact that she ignored waveoff

@_bellatrix_potens_-bps-8366

3 жыл бұрын

@@orencio1969 or needed one. like deck... water. Her finals...

@allee190

Жыл бұрын

She still didn't have what it took to safely fly an f-14. Not the one to blame.

"TF-30 engines equipped on the F-14A version of the Tomcat had been known for being unreliable." Not quite true. The TF-30 engines were known to have the compressor stall when the inlet is blocked by hard rudder input. This was a well known problem and, in training, it was stressed to all Tomcat pilots NOT to try to turn the aircraft with full rudder in a landing configuration. She not only pushed the left rudder full, she gave max throttle at the same time. Since the fuselage of the aircraft was blocking airflow to the left engine, full throttle guaranteed a compressor stall in the left engine. She had been told in training this would happen, and it did. This wasn't the first time and wouldn't be the last time a Tomcat pilot would give hard rudder and cause a compressor stall in the engine. It was a well known problem and a Tomcat pilot killer for many years. Are there any F-14A pilots out there who can tell me why Tomcat pilots continued to do this, even though they were told not to?

From the official MIR report where it listed out Kara's disastrous mistakes where she risked her own life, her RIO's life and the ground crew. These are FROM THE OFFICIAL REPORT: 1 - Missing center line for the third time that day and making a hard correction resulting in a sharp yaw to the left when standard procedures required her to abort landing and apply full afterburners. 2 - Failure to follow procedures of wave-off procedures 3 - Excessive rudder resulting in plane yawing sharply to the left and excessive use of throttle resulting in the engine stalling. 4 - Failure to inform her RIO of emergency 5 - Failure to inform the ground staff of emergency with the ground crew once the ground crew identified missed center line. 6 - Once the plane was sharply yawing to the left due to a stalled left wing with no lift, applying zone 5 afterburn, which the F-14 user manual strongly advises against it at low altitudes, high angle of attack, lack of air speed and a stalled wing. Not enough air speed and altitude to recover from a stall using afterburner. 7 - Failure to inform the RIO of initiation of ejection sequence.

@ZorbaTheDutch

5 жыл бұрын

That is clearly not from the official report, as it contains several errors and some desinformation. Here's what the report stated: The narrative cause factors of this mishap are Determined to be: (A) Aircrew factor - MP attempt to salvage overshooting approach led to reduced eng stall margin, contributing to left eng comp stall. RAC II. (B) Aircrew factor - MP failed to execute proper single eng waveoff procedures. RAC II. (C) Aircrew factor - MP failed to inform MR of single eng emergency. RAC II. (D) material factor - Left engine directional control valve stuck in bleeds closed position. RAC V. (E) Supervisory factor - MS failed to provide single eng waveoff training. RAC V.

@magicsinglez

5 жыл бұрын

So. She made an error in failing to apply afterburners, then she made a failure in applying too much power, then she made an error in applying afterburners. . . OK?

@Sarah.Riedel

4 жыл бұрын

Clearly this is not from the "official MIR" lol because Hultgreen did not initiate the ejection sequence, the RIO did. And because the rear seat typically ejects first in the sequence, the RIO survived (clearing the canopy at a 90° angle relative to the surface of the water) while Hultgreen (at 110°) did not. Here's the relevant item from the ACTUAL official MIR: *(BK) (P) MR initiated ejection upon commencement of MA left roll. (3b)* Plain text archive of MIR document here, approximately halfway down the page: yarchive.net/mil/f14_hultgreen_accident.html

@mattcurry9220

4 жыл бұрын

Officially a load of BS. I don't know how you can write this such untruthful comments regarding someones death. You must have no morals To everyone else, please read the true official report. There are plenty of links in the comment section.

@WALTERBROADDUS

4 жыл бұрын

You get in the seat and show us a recovery....

We as pilots have to make up for our crafts shortcomings. True from cessna150 to jumbos. Never, never force a bad position. Better to retire the airplane and fight another day.

@Lightningslick

3 жыл бұрын

That line sounds awfully familiar.

@jdellison3817

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lightningslick Because it holds true for any conflict...

@attilamikaczo7892

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lightningslick Top Gun? :)

@neatstuff8200

2 жыл бұрын

@@attilamikaczo7892 that might be true but I actually made that trip between c-150 and Jumbo's. What a ride. The problem was she cheated with the left Runner to get back on Centerline and that starved the left engine for air and caused the compressor stall. That is the shortcoming on this aircraft and engine combination. No cheating allowed. Ironically, she needed to push right Rudder once the engine stalled and supplement it with right stick not the other way around. All shortcomings that need to be overcome. Once the snowball starts down the hill the exact memory items must be followed or disaster follows. In this case it is up to the rear person to punch both of them out in time to save the Pilots. In that case of course the plane is wasted.

I was there and seen the crash and she made two passes the first pass she was a little high and didn't catch the wire, had lots of wind across the deck. Second pass she turned on final approach and I noticed the engines we're not producing equal thrust and the plane started to yaw to the left and rolled over do to a lack of thrust on the other engine. The back guy ejected just before it got the ocean but she stayed with the plane. That is a day I'll never forget.

Still just as heartbreaking to this day. I was an F 14 pilot flew A and D models. She was a solid pilot despite being under insane pressure as the first female fighter pilot. That aircraft is a handful and when you’re low and slow, and if an engine coughs good luck. Rip Kara

@zacharyradford5552

2 жыл бұрын

She wasn’t a pilot that should have been in a F-14. Her carrier landing scores where terrible and her and every woman at that time had rush training trying to get the first female fighter pilot.

@chrissmith7669

6 ай бұрын

@@zacharyradford5552if they were terrible she wouldn’t have been there.

@sana-cm7oc

5 ай бұрын

@@chrissmith7669 yes she would. she was a political football

1:35 "things start to go wrong." Like being way far to the left of the LA centerline?

@jefferydraper4019

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like things started to go wrong 30 min earlier when she launched.

@nathanjessup8409

3 жыл бұрын

@@jefferydraper4019 Things went wrong when they took her off the A6 😉

I'm a Canadian veteran and my BRT (Basic recruit training) was one of the first co-ed boot camps. While qualifying with the C7 (M16A2) I was in the butts while one of the female recruits was shooting. A Warrant Officer came up to me as I was scoring her target and asked me how she was doing. "Not too good Sir, half her shots missed the target completely." "Let me see her target!" demanded the Warrant Officer, whereupon he whipped out a pencil, punched a bunch of holes in the paper and said, "Now. score that target!". I asked, "Including the pencil holes Sir?" "What pencil holes!?!?" was his response. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with women in the military, just so long as they meet the same standard as men in non-strength related skills.

@scottjohnson1640

4 жыл бұрын

I have nothing against women in the military either as long as they have a desk job in an office. They can be a general's secretary or something like that.

@danlorett2184

4 жыл бұрын

There's no reason for women to be in units that will have to deploy on short notice.

@dhardy6654

4 жыл бұрын

It really doesnt matter what you do in canada because you people havent created warriors in 3-4 generations. The carrier Revlon was flying off that day has more fighting aircraft the your entire country, so hearing about what goes on in canada really doesnt matter and that you people think that anything you do is pertainet to the world is a joke. You all need better attitudes up there.

@williamclark3712

4 жыл бұрын

Big deal. I was on my BOT 1 course at Pet back in 1988 when the moron beside me kept hitting my target because he couldn’t count the targets downrange. Then when the warrant called him out on it the moron stood up and swung his rifle around while everyone hit the deck. The female on the other side of me had no problem hitting the correct target and knew enough not to point a loaded weapon at her fellow recruits. The female is now a Lieutenant Colonel. I don’t know where the moron ended up.

@williamclark3712

4 жыл бұрын

D Hardy for all gun loving gun toting people in your country you’d think that you could at least produce snipers who could hit a target without having to sit right on top of it. We could spot you an extra km of range closer to the target and you’d still come up short.

This presentation make one question the credibility or accuracy of this site. This mishap was entirely pilot error. The LSO and other other shipboard aviators related that she had no business being a PIC, bringing an F-14 aboard a carrier. The Landing Signal Aviator(LSO) who directs and advises Naval aviators on approach to the carrier, also scores each approach and landing to the flightdeck. The LSO said that her approach and landings were the worst he had ever seen as an LSO and Naval aviator. And the other aviators aboard related the same sentiments. They related tha her approaches were so horrendous, she should have never been a qualified F-14 pilot. They stated that they did her a disservice by qualifying her as an F-14 or even as a carrier fighter pilot. As others have stated, the compressor stall was pilot induced. If you 'hork' it over, causing a high angle of attack on your engine intakes and firewall the throttles, there is a good chance you are going to have a compressor stall. Missing your mark on the break, and rolling out on final where you are not properly lined up on centerline, then stomping on the rudder in an attempt to save the approach, causes an adverse yaw angle, disrupts airflow into the engine, causing a compressor stall. Due to the social engineering of the liberals and the weak knees in the command structure, she was politically passed through the F-14 syllabus. Now when and if you ever do a simulation of the 7 Thunderbirds , flying T-38s that augerred into the desert floor. Present the true account of what happened, not the politically correct lie of the USAF. A Lt. Colonel, a command pilot, who was on the mishap investigation team of this mishap, after he retired, related that the Air Force's publicly released report on this accident was a completely fabricated LIE! For concerns about retribution from Headquarters Air Force, he had to wait until he retired before coming out with the truth. He said that he owed it to the family members of the 6 pilots who died as result of following the lead pilot into the desert floor. The Lt.Colonel said the whole incident was completely pilot error, just plain and simple, a case of poor airmanship and lack of spatial orientation. The USAF in their b. s. fabricated press release tried to say that the lead pilot's stick became jammed by a loose impediment(a ball point pen) that came loose during the loop and then jamming the stick. The Lt. Colonel said that was a complete lie as the USAF did not want to look foolish for placing an incompetent pilot on the Thunderbird demonstration team. It just so happens that lead was the first African American Thunderbird pilot and the social engineers tried to spin this incident. Once again, the social engineers, as a result of placing a person in a position he was not qualified for, cost the lives of service personnel and did a disservice to 7 families. Who knows Google probably has buried this story or vanished it completely. It is easy to fool the public Andrew non-aircrew personnel. But for many of us who were military aviators at the time, we would be briefed on many of these mishaps at commander's calls or safety briefings, what the public hears is just a 'sugar coated' version . We also know, due to social engineering and political correctness,; the shenanigans of the various services who allowed incompetent and unsafe personnel to be passed through Undergraduate Pilot Training(UPT) or primary flight training, where the instructor pilots(I.P.s) or flight training section would be forced to pass these 'special handling' through flight training no matter how many times they busted check-rides or exams. The only service where I did not see this b.s. was the United States Marine Corps. It is an absolute fact and ask any guy who went through flight training in the late 1980s and 1990s And today, it is no better. I could relate incident after incident where this double standard raised it's ugly head.

@daveriley6310

3 жыл бұрын

Not just the 80s and 90s, John. I joined USAF in'69, UPT in '70, flew F-100, F-105 and F-4. It went on for my 21 years. One BS PR-oriented fake accident report after another.

@calvinlee1813

3 жыл бұрын

I had a friend on the accident team for the Diamond Crash. He told me that Lead had a malfunction with his flight controls. Thunderbird Three was black, not the Team Leader. Ret. General Fig Newton the first black T-Bird, was with the Team starting in 1974. He retired a General. The only black Team Leader with safety concerns was Commander Donnie Cochran of the Blue Angels. I had friends who flew with him. He resigned on his own. Having a couple of O-4s explain that to me back put things into prospective. It was the right call for Commander Cochran. As far as the Tbirds, One thru the Slot pilot were killed, hence the phrase "The Diamond Crash". The Lead and Opposing Solos where not in the crash. Race had nothing to do with the Diamond Crash.

Thank you for your dedicated service.

My father was part of the crew assigned to recover Lieutenant Kara Hultgreen's F-14 and remains. The Deep-submergence rescue vehicle known as "Turtle". Thank you for your service Revlon.

Completely inaccurate representation. NTSB will tell you, aviation accidents never happen due to one reason. It is due to multiple failures working together all snowballing out of control. Everything I write below is fully officially corroborated by the real crash video and the 6 pilot errors Navy said caused the crash. First, I don't care if it is a man or a woman. I resent the Scot Bates F-14 crash just as much as I resent Kara's. Both were officially pilot errors, but some idiots with agenda in favor of these failed pilots blame anyone by the person responsible and accountable for the disaster. She was put in there due to political pressure. She was not fully qualified to be a fighter pilot. She was on probation due to multiple violations. That day, she turned into a selfish aviator who put saving her career, which was already in jeopardy ahead of the safety of her crew and the ground crew. The official report cites as pilot error as the reason this crash happened. She was circling the carrier for a long time. She kept screwing up the landing. 3 times she had to abort the landing. She was already on probation because of 4 major violations. All landing related. This 4th time, she missed the centerline AGAIN! according to the official report. As the report and the actual video of the crash show, she was told to raise gear repeatedly and abort landing. She refused to follow orders and made a hard correction to the left in order to line up with the centerline. The hard yaw to the left of 50 degrees caused an engine stall in the left engine. She was too low, too slow and the nose up attitude resulted in her plane spinning to the left when she desperately tried to apply power. It was too late. Her fate was sealed from the moment she refused to raise gear and abort landing while making the hard left correction.

@EdgemanLL2

6 жыл бұрын

Stacy Bate.

@tinytattoomike7943

5 жыл бұрын

So she was a fighter pilot who couldn’t follow directions

@ZorbaTheDutch

5 жыл бұрын

False. From the report: Supervisory factor - FRS failed to disqualify MP for substandard performance. *Rejected. * MP successfully completed all phases of FRS training and met all qualifying standards. MP disqualified during first CQ attempt. Between Jun 92 to Sep 94 25 percent of CAT I pilots disqualified during initial CQ attempt. All qualified on subsequent attempts. *MP qualified during second CQ attempt and was ranked number three of seven CAT I pilots in landing grades. FRS LSO stated mp was slightly above average and that MP ``should perform well in the fleet.''*

@stevokennedy2383

5 жыл бұрын

@Long Range Rifle wrong! And how sad you have to use that term !!!!misogynistic is what you are

@captain757747

5 жыл бұрын

Long Range you are right on!. Turner is probably on of those of us that hasn't yet found out how to use his balls. I have watched the airlines hire women because the more qualified and experienced male pilot applicants didn't have a nice pair of tits or vagina. I cannot tell you the number of times I had to take control of the aircraft away from a female first officer. Always got excuses and arguments. One case I had to physically slap her hands off the thrust levers and keep the aircraft from rolling off the end of the runway. There are certain tasks that women were designed for and tasks that men were designed for. Commanding an airliner ,navy ship, are just 2 best left to the men. One can put a plow on a Cadillac but the doesn't make it a tractor. Almost every thing women run goes to hell and when it does they try to blame a man. If that doesn't work here come the tears. Where I used to fly cargo a woman tried to upgrade to captain. She screwed up her rating ride so bad that the FAA shut down the airlines training program. The airline had to come up with a new program. All future candidates had to do evaluation rides instead of up grading due to seniority . This cost the company additional money for the simulator and instructors. If women don't like their station in life they should go bitch at GOD and leave the men alone. Remember this. It wasn't a man that picked the apple off the tree and fucked up every thing for every body. Enjoyed your answer to Turner have a great day.!!!

The word is she was a good Intruder driver and that when she transitioned to the Tomcat she would get task saturated and get behind the airplane due to its more complex systems. The TF-30 could not be manhandled like the J52 in the intruder. During this day of the incident she had bingoed back to the beach due to her not being able to get the bird on the deck. So that added more stress to the situation and then hitting task saturation she got behind the plane. IIRC after this NAVAIR implemented a change that if the bingoed back to the beach they had shutdown and debrief instead of hot fueling and keep going.

@YouTube.TOM.A

3 жыл бұрын

There are many myths in Aviation, This being on of them. We are critical of training that goes above certain number of hours or attempts and I understand that rule. At the same time, If this Aviator was a good intruder pilot [ on deck ] she most likely would have been good on the F14. The aerodynamic laws are unchanging, the differences in behavior and handling is not a known handicap to leaning and proficiency. some people take a little longer but as someone who have transitioned to many different jet aircraft, I remember the days when people could write a whole book about the Cessna 172 transitioning to the piper lance. Retrospectively there are hurdles to overcome but the basics that you bring to the task will overcome that. I soloed a 65 year old woman, and she went back to work on a cloud. It took 18 hours but she became confident as she progressed. Funny how all these theories go out the window when a wonder Flyboy buys the farm trying to land on a carrier [ no disrespect ]. She earned her shot at the F14 and for those who needed verification for their latent gender prejudices, whoomp there it is!!.

@patrickradcliffe3837

3 жыл бұрын

@@KZread.TOM.A you had to throw gender into not me. If you have served in the Navy you know there are MANY pilots who washout when transitioning to a more complex platform.

@YouTube.TOM.A

3 жыл бұрын

@@patrickradcliffe3837 I don't get it, washout cannot be unknown to anyone in aviation anywhere, It is not a given when transitioning. but this REVLON story is all about gender if you want to be honest.

@danielkirkland3366

3 жыл бұрын

@@KZread.TOM.A if you look into her history she never made hardly any deck landings in the A6 Her instructor reported she was a decent A6 pilot but he stated she did not have the skills to judge deck landings even in an A6 let alone an F14

@YouTube.TOM.A

3 жыл бұрын

@Benghali In Platforms Her name being PauL Hultgreen and you would have gotten a good sleep last night.

October 24th 1994. A peculiar Friday Morning. I remember being in the parking lot at Miramar College and being puzzled as to why there were no planes returning from the practice range to the East as was usually the case in the mid-morning on Fridays. Upon returning home I got the tragic news on the T.V.

As I understand it, she had more “downs” than any qualified aviator, but the Navy was under pressure to get females pilots. A male with her record never would be a pilot of high performance jet aircraft.

@MrSlugny

4 жыл бұрын

I believe John Mcane scored even lower

@agoodchristianpilot159

4 жыл бұрын

MrSlugny bruh, McCain didn’t crash and he didn’t have violations. Where’s your evidence he did score worse than some downy anyways

@infotechsailor

4 жыл бұрын

Mccains daddy was an admiral. He was still better than Revlon

@MrSlugny

4 жыл бұрын

@@infotechsailor no he only graduated second from bottom yet still got to fly? That's more than strange.....and the consequences were deadly.....to many in the Navy.....many.....

@720069mf

4 жыл бұрын

Go fuck yourself .

This is what happens when you lower safety standards for the sake of public relations.

@roadwarrior144

4 жыл бұрын

MrStoneycool69 Or as Boeing calls it, these days, “just doing business”.

@kiheirc3195

4 жыл бұрын

You took the words out of my mouth

@roadwarrior144

4 жыл бұрын

mike toni Tell that to any female Army or Marine soldier. I dare you, troll.

@bryant505

4 жыл бұрын

male pilots have died from f14 accidents too

@manco828

4 жыл бұрын

Very stylish.

The reliability of the engine was irrelevant to the fact that Hultgreen was a media darling and extremely underqualified to be a combat pilot, she couldn't meet the standards therefore the standards were lowered. Yes political correctness existed in the early 90s.

@DonaldDump2024

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t bad mouth her. She died serving our country you twerp. Show us where she was wasn’t qualified for the job. Who accomplishes what she did and never made a mistake?

@mrdumbfellow927

3 жыл бұрын

He's not bad mouthing her as much as he is bad- mouthing the higher-ups that allowed this tragedy to unfold. A bulk of the crash is on them.

@DonaldDump2024

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrdumbfellow927 Then what about the 99% of accidents that were caused by guys? Were the standards soften for them because they’re guys? I don’t think so. People make mistakes. We males aren’t immune from mistakes. With 4 daughters I hate when people think their accomplishments are undeserved just because they’re female. I’ve seen guys f’k up a lot too. You don’t hear people say “it’s because they lowered the standards for guys.” We’re doing a double standard.

@KillrMillr7

3 жыл бұрын

@@DonaldDump2024 If you haven't served in a combat MOS and or combat, you wouldn't understand. Social engineering has no business in these fields. This woman died because of of stupid virtue signaling politicians, the end result will be more unnecessary deaths.

@driver4011

3 жыл бұрын

nothin wrong with the engine / plane. this was pilot error. landing jets on carriers isn't a "walk in the park".

I was in the navy at the time of this incident, really can't recall this but not knowing anything about aircraft I feel this warrior deserves praise for her bravery, not many of us are blessed to have the expertise to fly these dangerous machines, may she rest in peace.

@sheldonkimura4793

3 жыл бұрын

Reginald Massey she had no expertise. She was as green as a toddler trying to get dressed.

@Tarheel13

2 жыл бұрын

@@sheldonkimura4793 And the men killed? Green as a toddler?

@waistgunner3930

3 ай бұрын

Bull💩....

"That's a hell of a price to pay for being stylish"

@satos1

4 жыл бұрын

Seven point suppository. What did you say! I said stick it in your a**e.

@mwduck

4 жыл бұрын

In another role, Eastwood also said "dying's not much of a living."

@kevinmoore4887

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyfavorite1194 Dirty Harry's complaint was there were far more experienced police officers applying for the position. It was more that they were promoting an office cop with no felony arrests than a gender issue. But it was a politically driven promotion due to gender.

@James00151

4 жыл бұрын

What a foolish remark.

@stevensapyak7971

4 жыл бұрын

Wes McGee 5.24.20. 1976

I was working at McDonald's at the time, but I stayed at a holiday inn express so that is where my expertise come in

@weekendpartier

3 жыл бұрын

C'mon man...

@MrBwincali420

3 жыл бұрын

@Auggie well I was one in the mavy

@JimBob-vb8oz

3 жыл бұрын

Seems legit

I served with Lt Hultgreen and she was an excellent pilot. During one flight in an A6 intruder she experienced a main landing gear failure and had to catch the wire upon landing and saved the plane. She was a hard charger and helped pave the way for others.

@mheb6370

4 жыл бұрын

Being qualified in an A-6 does not in the least qualify that pilot in an F-14 however. Sounds like she was dropped off in the deep end of the pool before she actually knew how to swim safely,so to speak. It's ridiculous what's often done for PR that ultimately backfires on the ones pushing for the PR stunts.

@fawnlliebowitz1772

2 жыл бұрын

A6's aren't Tomcats. I can drive the hell out of my 69 musclecar but wouldn't venture a tractor trailer.

It's heartbreaking when we lose a service member! Rest in peace young lady!

Title and description are incorrect. Engine problems did not cause the crash. A sticking bleed air valve was found that would have reduced power a small amount. The main cause of the accident was failure to use the flight controls properly which lead to a stall, departure from controlled flight and crash. Don't hide the facts with this new tribute video.

@ronbentley794

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly - I was on board the Lincoln when this happened. When the women started to show up. It was scary times for me. I was a sparrow tech (FC). When this crash occurred I was working on the aft port side launcher. I saw her coming in off line, I heard her engines spin up. I knew she was in trouble and didn't know what to do/froze. I was also there when CAG sent an entire air wing back to SD. Only the female pilots went on CNN and screamed discrimination. Again, I was back aft hanging out in the port aft ciws mount. They ALL came in soooo low we would cringe, waiting for the CR@&H.

@ronbentley794

7 жыл бұрын

I came from a spruance class, in Japan, yokosuka. met the babe braham in almeda. went on west Pac, returned to alameda, for a few months and then she moved to Bremerton. I had enough at that point and got out. An FC on a carrier is a waste. Cruisers and destroyers is the the place to be for FC's. Fantastic tech and if ur good, you can work on / operate anything.

@bernieweber4663

7 жыл бұрын

@ Ron Bentley, So when the #1 engine stalled it would have spun up to full throttle into zone 5 afterburner along with the #2 engine. About what time did you hear the engine stall and knew they were in trouble? Did you hear a loud bang or more of a muffled stall sound? When the aircraft side slipped could you see the afterburner flame at the #2 exhaust or was the throttle retarded back below 80% by this time? Or did it sound as if it was in idle?

@bernieweber4663

7 жыл бұрын

@Pelican 1984. Where do you get a sticking bleed valve reduced power a small amount? That's not what was found to be faulty. The bleed valves themselves were operating correctly but the solenoid to the pressure ratio bleed control PRBC valve was found to have a defect. That would cause improper operation of all of the bleed valves not just one. If the engine stalled because of that (and I'm not saying it did as there are many other reasons) then there would have been a complete engine stall and reduced power but to what degree we can't know since there was no recording of the engine parameters on this aircraft. The part in question is connected to the PRBC. I believe the report said it failed internally. If there is no stall on deck during engine run up the discrepancy is signed off or the engine is eventually removed and replaced if it continues and nothing has corrected it. The mechanics can't remove parts and check the internal workings. It was working properly or the stall gripe would not have been signed off. Can a part have a failing internal part and still operate? And, can it operate intermittently? Yes, and you would or might not know until it failed completely.

@KB4QAA

7 жыл бұрын

Bernie: Chill out pal. It's been probably ten years since I read the report. I think I got the gist of the problem across to all those not familiar with jets, and who were off in the wrong direction. How about posting the AIB report if you have it?

the TF-30's were not great fighter engines and were not used in any other US fighter (the F-111 being a penetration bomber rather than a fighter). That being said, the TF-30 was not the cause of the crash. The aircraft was not lined up for its approach and the pilot made an aggressive maneuver to correct, causing a disruption of airflow to the left engine, which resulted in a compressor stall. The pilot then went to full afterburner to regain airspeed but this resulted in asymmetrical thrust and yaw, which caused the left wing to stall and the aircraft to roll. The aircraft then became unrecoverable. Looked at another way, the pilot found themselves in a situation where their errors snowballed on them. Being off line leads to the over correction which leads to the compressor stall which leads to afterburner, asymmetrical thrust, yaw, stall, then roll. The end result being the aircraft entering uncontrolled flight at 80 feet and 120 kts.

@Waltham1892

7 жыл бұрын

***** I'm sorry, it was Revlon's fault the aircraft crashed and she died. She knew her aircraft had TF-30's in it and she knew the envelope of those TF-30's. She made a series of errors which snowballed on her and took the engines out of their performance envelope. This caused the aircraft to stall and depart. If you are saying she didn't know the capabilities of her engines, then I'd have to ask what she was doing as pilot in command of that aircraft. I'd also have to ask how her fellow pilots were able to land their aircraft and she wasn't. I'm not saying she was a bad pilot and I'm not saying being female had anything to do with it. She made errors at a time in the when the room for errors was rapidly approaching zero. The crash was the result.

@donttreadonme9170

7 жыл бұрын

thats true

@Waltham1892

7 жыл бұрын

***** I think after 90 years of carrier operations, the Navy has figured out how to approach a carrier. Please, stop making excuses. The pilot made an error and it cost her the aircraft and her life. You trying to turn it from a pilot error into a mystery isn't going to help anyone.

@dominiquestephenson1541

7 жыл бұрын

+Waltham1892 -After 90 odd years only one thing is certain. Despite all the modern avionics, radios, HUD's, Fresnel Lens Systems and on and on.....it's more difficult than ever to get back aboard ship because aircraft are heavier, larger and the Navy hits the deck throttles to the firewall in case we miss the wire. The most important aid is still "paddles", those aviators assigned to talk other pilots down verbally in conjunction with the Christmas tree. Try it once yourself before you spout off that ignorant crap!

@dominiquestephenson1541

7 жыл бұрын

+Dominique Stephenson -many pilots say they are less stressed flying thru known SAM country than trying to get back aboard at night. I've been out since 90 but I noticed the recent success with drone traps. Even if human pilots are still in the cockpit, autopilot approach and traps would be a huge aid. Purists will lament the loss of the "art" of hooking the 3 wire but crashes and deaths will be greatly reduced. With the Navy's focus on safety and mishap prevention I see this automation as inevitable even before pilots totally leave the cockpit.

It’s very sad that she died but this was a fully recoverable incident and the final reports state so

@juliomaldonado4028

3 жыл бұрын

It may have been recoverable, but the time it takes to realize whats going on plays a huge role in reaction time as well.

@knoahbody69

3 жыл бұрын

@@juliomaldonado4028 They replaced the engine later on the other models. I suppose the male pilots crashed a lot too.

God Bless her and may she rest in peace. l'm sorry for your loss.

@robinsattahip2376

3 жыл бұрын

Too bad about the airplane, women have no business in the military and men have no business in pre-schools.

@Diamondsparkle788

Жыл бұрын

@@robinsattahip2376 Yet most fatal car accidents in the UK 🇬🇧 are caused by young men under the age of 35. Not women. That's why men's insurance is a higher premium. So why is that women are more careful and less dangerous drivers when it comes to cars. But not so good with planes.

@robinsattahip2376

Жыл бұрын

@@Diamondsparkle788 So if Blacks, Chinese or left handed people have more accidents is it okay to screw them on their insurance premiums too?

@Diamondsparkle788

Жыл бұрын

@@robinsattahip2376 Well young men do have more car accidents than women Why is that do you think? They kill people with their reckless behaviour and women have to be careful and stay out the way. And it's not my fault. I'm a good driver.

May her soul rest in peace

It wasn't mechanical failure. She kicked in rudder, which caused an airflow upset to the engine, which caused the compressor stall and engine failure. The NATOPS manual specifically says not to use excessive rudder for this reason.

I can’t imagine how the RIO was able to function especially at night high seas or foul weather with the knowledge of all the concerns.

@JimzAuto

2 жыл бұрын

RIO’s knowledge might be why they survived.

@JimzAuto

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tipo-F120b , Thanks for correcting me. 1 dead, 1 survivor.

@JimzAuto

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tipo-F120b thanks for your reply. 2 victims & 1 survivor- same incident? I thought Tomcats seated 2 personnel.

@JimzAuto

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tipo-F120b that’s an interesting take. Considering the thousands of man-hours to build & maintain the vehicle, plus the fact the accident was (probably) avoidable. Us taxpayers really should consider the vehicle a loss. Thanks for sharing your perspective.

As a Dean Martin fan, that last shot of the Missing Man formation stings…Dean’s beloved son Dean Paul, a Captain with the California Air National Guard, was killed during a training mission in March 1987 after the F-4 Phantom he was piloting crashed during a sudden storm that had blown in over the San Bernardino Mountain Range; also killed was his Weapons Officer, Ramon Ortiz. The Missing Man formation was a part of Dean Paul’s funeral service. While Dean Paul sadly had no chance of avoiding that crash, the thought that Lt. Hultgreen may possibly had survived had she ejected/been able to eject a brief moment sooner is heartbreaking. Rest easy, Lt. Hultgreen and also Capt. Martin and Weapons Officer Ortiz…thank you all for your service and sacrifice.

Still someone’s little girl. Heartbreaking.

I'm a Plankowner on the Lincoln (Aviation Boatswains Mate, Air Dept, V-2 Div... Bow Cats Baby!) Damned fine ship. Sorry this happened to one of our aviators of ANY gender.

@lauraharmour

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, not many comments hear expressing sorrow at her death.

@BenjWarrant

4 жыл бұрын

@@lauraharmour No, all the men are fixated on blaming her for not staying in the kitchen.

@lauraharmour

4 жыл бұрын

@@BenjWarrant Exactly

@reallyhappenings5597

3 жыл бұрын

Plankowner on a carrier is badass

I remember when this happened. She was basically killed by the feminist agenda which insisted on having a female fighter pilot REGARDLESS of whether she was qualified or not. She simply was not ready to do the task she was expected to do and died because of it..

@aj-2savage896

3 жыл бұрын

@@lukasi.v4269 PC

@johntack1049

3 жыл бұрын

tinwoods Pathetic loser.

@irvancrocs1753

3 жыл бұрын

@tinwoods Provide better arguments instead just blatantly insult everyone, no one disrespect women here, everyone just trying to give logical answers except you..

@jacksongunner7122

3 жыл бұрын

Although you are correct in that the feminist agenda killed her, she had a part in that. She had to know that she was out of her depth with the F-14 and could have quit and gone back to the A-6 but she didn't so she bears a lot of the responsibility for what happened.

Although I am not a pilot but a surgeon, I think the following would apply to both pilots and surgeons: The truly superior surgeon (pilot) uses his (her) truly superior judgment to keep (her) himself out of situations that require the use of (her) his truly superior skill. It was not so much faulty skill but faulty judgment that killed Ms Hultgreen which is exactly the situation I have found in so many surgical "complications" I have reviewed over the years.

@brownj2

9 ай бұрын

Baloney. In surgery you never face the possibility of being smashed into the ocean in an instant.

@forrestsmith9235

9 ай бұрын

True, Mssr Brown but where the analogy is even more finely drawn is that both Ms Hultgreen and I were not only responsible for our own lives but also for the life of another, she with her GIBS (Guy In Back Seat) and I for my patient, with the critical difference being her GIBS had the ability to eject himself to escape the consequences of her lapse in judgment-as the man actually did-but as a surgeon, I can kill my poor unconscious patient with my lapse in judgment and there’s not a damned thing she can do but die.

Civilians pushing the admirals to keep her flying wow

@zutrue

4 жыл бұрын

Gamer king of kings??? And talking??? Yeah...game on, King! ...LoL TROLLing fool.

@backwoodscharlie8483

3 жыл бұрын

That's why the scumbag politicians have to keep their nose out of military business. Give the Admirals and Generals a task and let them be they have the experience and knowledge to get the job done not a political hack in Washington.

@MIckveli2

3 жыл бұрын

what a shame.! God bless her, her & (her) family

@zutrue

3 жыл бұрын

@Sunamer Z Dude...stop trying to do Jack Nicholson impersonations. He did it first. He did it best. You simply have no talent for that. Now that is ya TRUTH. See yah...and lay off the KOLAID.

@MikeBrown-go1pc

3 жыл бұрын

@@backwoodscharlie8483 All the generals are human hacks. No better than the government at all. Fakes

Affirmative action seldom works out. Sorry for the family.

No words can easy the pain for the families loss. I thank her for her service and sacrifice. Rip brave warrior.

@DarthVader1977

10 ай бұрын

ease*

I Was stationed with Lt. Hutgreen in VAQ-33 she was an incredible Officer and a Pilot Rest in Pease 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸❤❤❤🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸❤❤❤

@poker_dealer

3 жыл бұрын

Calling BS on this. Even an enlisted would know how to spell peace.

@_bellatrix_potens_-bps-8366

3 жыл бұрын

@@poker_dealer I’m calling bs too. But for the fact that he said - incredible ‘Pilot’.

The Navy investigates the cause of the death of the nation's first F-14 Tomcat fighter pilot Karen Hultgreen, and finds that her approach to landing being too high, her overshooting the USS Abraham Lincoln's carrier deck, and fatally ejecting too late while her aircraft crashed into the sea, were actions all attributable to a stalled engine. Gee. One can certainly understand that a stalled engine on approach to landing could readily cause an aircraft to go out of control as the pilot is attempting to attain a tail-hook grab on the deck of a pitching carrier. But, Karen Hultgreen's approach to the deck landing was erratic prior to her wave-off, her misjudgment in approach vector and altitude obvious. Her order to retract her landing gear and apply full power to gain altitude by the landing officer on Lincoln was immediately precedent to her loss of power and sharp veer off the Lincoln's port bow and into the sea. So, how could all of her cleaarly inadequate flying skills prior to her deadly crash be chalked up to a stalled engine in the last few seconds of the U.S. Navy's first-ever woman fighter pilot's catastrophic attempt to land? The self-investigating Navy finding of "mechanical failure" as the reason for the accident, and her death, is patently ridiculous,. A political cover up for politically correct purposes. A necessary fiction to maintain the larger fiction that chauvinistic, patriarchic men, "Good Ol' Boys", have dominated "jobs" in the Armed Forces in order to "women in their place", and that "women can do any job a man can do". No, no. The Tom Cat's crash and her death could not be attributed to the actual cause. Rather than reveal the truth that Karen Hultgreen, patriotic young woman that she was, should not have been allowed to graduate from the Navy's Pensacola pilot training program, that she should never have been falsely awarded the qualification to fly in the cockpit of a complex, physically demanding, high performance jet fighter. Who killed Karen Hultgreen? Militant feminist and Congresswoman Representative Patricia Schroeder, (Democrat-Colorado) who used the Navy's "Tail Hook Scandal" to force the Armed Forces to make women into fighter pilots bears much of the responsibility. As this pathetic 1960's radical said to Armed Forces leadership[: "If a military skill standard makes it too hard for women to qualify for the job, then re-write the standard so that women can qualify." Restated: national security is not as important as sexual equal opportunity in the United States Armed Forces. But our gutless Navy admirals and Air Force general, who lack the character for their rank, who obsequiously cave in to the Pentagon's radical, anti-American, anti-military political civilian "leadership", and implement the idiotic policy, must bear their share of blame, as well. Here's a summative statement to all who would see America remain strong in the air and on the battlefield: the gender norming of training tasks and qualification standards in our navy and military means the failure of our military units, its vital missions and our national security. We, the pathetic American electorate, are very much as responsible for this on-going farce, this developing national tragedy, as we keep returning anti-Americans to our nation's highest political offices in election after election. Their aims have absolutely nothing to do with Equal Oppotunity or Affirmative Action. It is their GOAL to destroy our Armed Forces, and we seem to be insensate to this central truth.

@captainyossarian388

8 жыл бұрын

You don't sound misogynist at all.

@timothybrummer8476

7 жыл бұрын

How could a stalled engine cause the high approach and late ejection? The engine only caused the left roll, not the remainder.

@timothybrummer8476

7 жыл бұрын

***** OK I see, I was just going on what the video said. So it was pilot error and the PC police covered that up.

@hotspur666

7 жыл бұрын

On water bombers you use full rudder to line up the target at the last minute...yes on the jets, it could get you in big trouble, even ripping off an engine in many types like 707 or DC-8

@hotspur666

7 жыл бұрын

Meh...what would I know, I only have 12,000 hours on the eight...In old types of airplanes without flaps, side slips were the way to lose altitude fast...Also a spin...Germans flying the Stuka were all low timers without any instrument time...so when flying on top, to get below clouds without losing control, they induced a spin over the airport beacon...once under the clouds, just a rudder kick got them out of the spin and they landed visual. Remember that rudimentary ultralight will alway yaw the wrong way when banking...like bank left, they will all yaw right!(a normal licenced plane turn the way you bank)

"Killed after being ejected straight into the water." Oh my goodness that really had to be painful to hear. R.I.P Hultgreen.

@josephg3231

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly think it was well deserved and fucking hillarious

@antonwestergaard5211

3 жыл бұрын

@@josephg3231 Why?

@jazzcabbage9370

3 жыл бұрын

@@antonwestergaard5211 cause he's an incel

@Diamondsparkle788

Жыл бұрын

Incel. Very dangerous to women and children. Yet most fatal car accidents in the UK 🇬🇧 are caused by young men under the age of 35. Not women. That's why men's insurance is a higher premium. So why is that women are more careful and less dangerous drivers when it comes to cars. But not so good with planes.

This is what happens when you lower the standards.

@navret1707

3 жыл бұрын

If they can’t come up to standards, lower the standards. SOP

@TheBelrick

3 жыл бұрын

Fun fact. diversity hiring is now rampant in all parts of the economy and society is falling a part as a result. Every industry is suffering immensely and especially politics. Yay lockdowns.

@billpugh58

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBelrick what? standards dropping due to forced hiring of white males? sounds likely!

you can blame the engines, but she failed to raise the gear and wave off when instructed to do so.

@petermcgill1315

3 жыл бұрын

All in how many seconds..? If only she had that one thing to focus on...

@captabyrd84

3 жыл бұрын

You're an idiot

@brycekibbey8640

3 жыл бұрын

Except you missed the part in the video about the TF30 engine having a tendency to stall when being pushed. When the LSO called for "wave off power" that's full military power just like they apply when they land in case they hook skip the wire. So she applied the power but the left engine then stalled. That said lining up an aircraft on the angle deck centerline is a basic skill for any carrier pilot so if she was having trouble with that she may have had other basic flight skill issues contributing. I was an V2 division member of USS Ranger for 5 and a half years and maintained the Fresnel Lens Optical Landing System ("the ball"), which is the stabilised glide slope indicator pilots use when landing. The majority of pilots were able to successfully correct their alignment to the centerline. Wave offs did occur for a variety of reasons but were not that frequent.

@acement1

3 жыл бұрын

@@brycekibbey8640 "So she applied the power but the left engine then stalled." No that is not true. She overshot the cetreline and tried to get back onto it by jacking in a bootfull of rudder(apparently full left rudder). This of course caused major yaw to the left which blanked the airflow to the left engine and caused major loss of power due to compressor stall. You don't turn an aeroplane, any aeroplane(except The Flying Flea) with rudder. She had already made three aborted approaches in a row. She was obviously totally incompetent.

@Antonio-fj5gs

Жыл бұрын

@@acement1 *Joke incoming* Not surprised she should’ve been aiming the plane called her dream into the sea and just worked in the kitchen

She put herself in a position to require full left Rudder which stalled the left engine.

Thousands salutes to the braveheart soldier. May her soul Rest In Peace.

@collaborativedataaccounts3249

9 ай бұрын

LOL you don't even know how to write a decent sentence in English.

She was found 19 days after the incident, still strapped to her seat. That is gross/gnarly even trying to imagine it...

@thenderson5509

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure she was all bloated, munched on by sea creatures, damn that had to be nasty. There ain't enough menthol to cover that kind of stench.

@Lefty217

2 жыл бұрын

Navy divers are some hard sons of bitches.

Love the channel!

Regardless of whose mistake it was, we lost one of our pilots. Salute to all brothers and sisters in armed forces. Its people like you who make this world a better place. Proud to be American...

8 жыл бұрын

Glad we didn't lose the RIO, it isn't his fault he was paired with this less-than-qualified PC mistake.

@mysteriousfleas

7 жыл бұрын

SNAP!

@DEP717

7 жыл бұрын

Amen.

@romandecaesar4782

7 жыл бұрын

Wrong: we lost an example of an unqualified pilot, who was the "first" simply because of political correctness! I'm glad that the RIO survived: that RIO had a lot of guts, and perhaps, foolishness, to sit behind a pilot who didn't have the right stuff.

@KLRGT500KR

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but this was the height of corruption and dishonesty. Kara should have never been in the Navy. She had been on probation after 3 downs and she went on to get 3 more downs for a total of 6 downs. They kept her on probation when she should have been fired after 2 downs as all of her colleagues are as part of standard procedure. She was famous for having issues while landing. She always overshot the centerline. Even on the day she crashed the plane, she overshot the centerline 3 times and aborted landing each time. She was being told to abort landing this 4th time, yet she ignored ground crew orders and tried to make a hard correction resulting in the plane's left wing dropping beyond 45 degrees making it unrecoverable at such low altitude, low air speed and high angle of attack.

They found her body 3,300 feet at the bottom of the Pacific off the coast of San Diego 19 days later. Still strapped into her ejection seat. Poor Revlon!

@williamyoung9700

4 жыл бұрын

I was in CAATC when this happened. I think it was Air Boss, could have been Mini talking her through approach, then she flipped. I've always thought Lt. got pancaked by the bird.

I flew for an airline in northern England that openly had a pro female selection. 72% of dangerous and heavy landings were consequently done by 4% of the workforce. I’ll leave you to work out which part.

@tibetbill

3 жыл бұрын

The f-14s were not fly by wire, still used the old rig pins to align the flight control surfaces, but the stick could move the flight control surfaces faster than it would be safe to fly. So there was a generator built into the stick to provide counter resistance to movement of the stick. Nothing new, many planes had generators in the stick. If you go by the narrative of the official story, if the port engine flamed out, okay, she throttles up and banks left, not that much asymmetric thrust to turn the plane to the left. She made a left turn, stick went left, then she would have have to pull the stick back to center or to level out the plane. I do not know whether she was right handed or left handed, but as most people are right handed, she was probably right handed. As a woman, she did not have the strength in her right hand to go against the counter current being generated by the stick in an emergency or out of the flight envelope situation. Plus, if she was right handed, her left hand would not have been strong enough to push the stick back to the center or to the right. Not enough time, not enough altitude and not enough strength to fly the damn plane. So much for being politically correct along with trashing a forty million dollar plane. If a man had been flying the plane, would not have happened. Probably would have nailed the meatball. Better yet, why didn't she just have on the acls and let the plane land itself? Would have compensated instantly for an engine flame out and came right down the center of the glide slope. My opinion why the plane went into the drink.

The engine was "unreliable"?! It looks and sounds like the pilot was unreliable.

@khman1983

3 жыл бұрын

What they are not saying in the video is that the pilots are also trained on that problem and she applied too much left rudder which caused the accident. It was not the faulty engine but the fault of the pilot to control the yaw as instructed during training.

@geneard639

3 жыл бұрын

The TF-31 engine is known to be unreliable. It is prone to compression stalls, so prone that the A-7E/TA-7C aircraft were re-engined with the TF-41. A lot of A-7s were lost because of that crappy engine. As for the pilot, they were adequate.

@lighthouse2k

3 жыл бұрын

@@geneard639 it wasn’t unreliable, it had a fairly tight flight envelope which as was made worse by the wide placement of the engine intakes. You basically couldn’t make any large throttle changes while in any kind of yaw as it would cause compressor stall. So in this case the engine was not unreliable. It was flown Outside of its flight envelope.

@geneard639

3 жыл бұрын

@@lighthouse2k DUDE! I threw wrenches at the things! PROFESSIONALLY! The TF-31 was unreliable, it was a maintenance hog, it was a peice of CHT! Thats why ALL TF-31 engines were removed and BANNED from use in the A-7 community! They remained in the F-14's because it was felt by higher ups that with two crappy TF-31's a single engine failure was recoverable. The admirals who made that call, were mostly blackshoes! And, seriously, I had a crappy night check ASDO to Lt. Hultgreen's SDO and we had that conversation..... (long story). I know what the f**k I'm talking about. ffs, guys... (side note, the F-14 was never orginally slated to even have the TF-31, but like a lot of aircraft {A-3 Skywarrior} the airframe was accepted and a lower rated engine was used to save money. After Lt. Hultgreen's accident, the F-14A+ emerged using the same engine the A-7 community had moved to, the TF-41 which was more reliable and a solid work horse and also, more powerful {The A-3 Skywarriors at the end of their service life ran out of the oginal engine and we had to install the more modern version of the P57 that was used on the B52 fleet of that time, resulting in an A-3 hitting Mach 1.1 during an exercise...which was OK since the A-3 Skywarrior was designed for supersonic flight from the very begining and much like the F-14A+, newer engines tend to be more reliable, easier to maintain, and produce more power for less fuel}

@jaylopes8489

3 жыл бұрын

Deadstick - your comment is true but not politically correct - we will remove your comment 🤭🇵🇹

The F-14 Tomcat is my favorite fighter jet. RIP to the jet, and Kara hultgreen

Bullshit! F-14 can fly just fine on one engine. Stall,Spin,Crash is always pilot error.

@joevignolor4u949

8 жыл бұрын

It's true that a twin engine fighter, or any twin engine aircraft for the matter, can fly on one engine. However, losing power on one side can cause unexpected and rapid changes in attitude due to asymmetrical thrust, which is what happened here. If that occurs too close to the ground or water there may not be enough time to recover. That being said, it does appear that the pilot put the airplane into a bad situation, which caused the engine to stall. Once that happened and the plane started to roll over at a very low altitude a crash was inevitable. That being said, it also does appear that politics put a person (person, not woman) into the front seat of that jet who probably shouldn't have been there.

@quadbravo

8 жыл бұрын

At the end of the day, it was all pilot error. The overshoot, the turn, and then added thrust. 3 bad decisions in a row. Unfit to be a pilot.

@Vmeansvengeance

8 жыл бұрын

You are absolutely correct. I was on the Lincoln for this one. She was grounded because she was a terrible pilot, but her Squadron commander was forced by congress (Patricia Schroder) to reinstate her because they didn't want women to look bad.

@av8bvma513

8 жыл бұрын

Fed-Ex Flight 647. Yet another less than adequate pilot who struggled to pass check rides, but was likely given 'special treatment' due to gender. Doesn't matter if they are good looking, well connected, or filthy rich, if a person cannot fly smoothly, accurately, and intelligently, they should not be given the controls. Air France 447 had three guys, being paid as 'pilots' who should have been janitors or groundsmen.

@slimchancetoo

8 жыл бұрын

I take it you are a highly trained experienced competent pilot who reacts 2005 correctly to every possible change in circumstance ?///

😩😪 RIP girl thank you for serving you are not forgotten!

This is the first one of these I have seen that 'soft-sold' the accident's causal factors. Don't fall into that trap. Stay with the cold truth always and do not soft pedal it. The laws of physics and aviation don't care about our feelings. You do good work, do not compromise you standards.

@paat777

3 жыл бұрын

I was at Naval Air Station Miramar at the time flying in a shore squadron. You’ve made a great observation. Something few have mentioned. This will be my only post and it refers to investigations. I flew the F14A off of USS Kitty Hawk and USS Nimitz, doing cruises in each. I attended Navy Post Graduate school for Safety and was the squadron Safety Officer. Two investigations are always done for an aircraft accident. An Aircraft Accident Safety Investigation and a JAG Investigation (Judge Advocate General Accident Investigation-Legal) The JAG Investigation is to attain legal causation and take appropriate legal action against culpable parties. That presents a problem. Mechanics might not talk, pilots might withhold information, etc, so that their bacon doesn’t get fried. The reason is, anything you say can be used against you in a court of law. So a second investigation is performed called the Aircraft Accident Safety Investigation. In that investigation, witnesses and parties can disclose pertinent information that would help the investigators solve the mystery of what caused the mishap without getting processed for a crime. ex: "Ok, it was me that left the wrench in the engine bay, and it was near the fuel control unit.” That information would be helpful in solving a mishap if the aircraft is never recovered. ie, At the bottom of the ocean. This two Investigation method is done for ALL aircraft accidents whether easily solved or not. So in Kara's case, yes I think it was known up front what the cause was, so maybe both weren’t needed, but regardless both were required. I read both reports and talked to WING Safety, which was my previous job. The Safety Report will NEVER be officially released to the public. The JAG Inv is. For Kara’s JAG Inv, they sited aircraft mechanical failures as the cause. The brass in the Navy was taking an out so as to deflect the blame away from Kara because it was so political, and everyone on base knew she shouldn’t be in this aircraft. It had big legal consequences. The Safety Investigation on the other hand stated the facts. The final causal factor was pilot error, and it made clear that this was not a close call to make. IT WAS PILOT ERROR. So how did this play out? It hit the news that poor Kara had a bad aircraft and she was doomed from the start. But the bro’s at Miramar couldn’t stand it anymore and leaked the Safety report. The family got wind, hired a lawyer and sued for not adhering to their own safety standards while putting a woman through. Cant remember the outcome, but I think they made dime. Your observation is spot on. Just thought you’d like to hear the rest of the story. THEY DID DO A FACT FINDING and fried her reputation. But on the SAFETY report that is never made public.

@maxsmodels

3 жыл бұрын

@@paat777 Thanks. I can't help but think she was killed by a system that tried to mix physics and politics.

@everythingisaworkinprogres5729

3 жыл бұрын

@@paat777 wow. Thanks for sharing the cold hard facts. I can now stop reading the comments section on this video for the TRUTH.

The good thing about this is that she didn't take Klemish with her.

@briancooper2112

4 жыл бұрын

She didn't cause crash, numbnuts.

@sokolbladeworks1630

4 жыл бұрын

Official report places a very large part of the blame on her. "Pilot Error"

@briancooper2112

4 жыл бұрын

How did she make equipment fail and caused crash?

@briancooper2112

4 жыл бұрын

She paid with her life show some respect.

@sokolbladeworks1630

4 жыл бұрын

Attitude of the aircraft disrupted airflow to the left engine causing it to stall, not a mechanical issue. Despite being ordered to go around and try again, she also did not place the landing gear lever in the raised position. She was trying to execute the landing against orders, probably since it was her 4th try on that particular landing.

RIP, It. Hultgreen, our thoughts will forever be with you.

All US Navy pilots sat (sit) on MB NACES equipment. We at MB had been involved in the redesign of the F-14 cockpit to speed up ejection times & reduce fatalities due; partly; to engine stalls.

@BenjWarrant

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting fact.

The attempt to turn (correct) at low speed distrupted the airflow to the port engine stalling it. The Tomcats big nose was known for that. The resulting yaw from starboard pushed it over. She made several mistakes which led to her own death. I won't get into an arguement if she was a qualified pilot or not, but she certainly wasn't showing it at that moment. I was in Navy AE school (aircraft electrical) at the time and a lot of time was spent going over this at the time. Both the "politically correct" explanation and the real one. If I recall, her RIO later wrote a scathing letter about the incident.

@ArmedVeteran1987

3 жыл бұрын

Is that a procedure to apply full left rudder to do a go around?

I remember this. It was a different time. It was a tragedy. I hope that this never happens again. All should be treated the same. It is almost 2020. I hope the military learned from this.

@matejfele9971

4 жыл бұрын

Are you kidding, it's even worse these days...

@sebastianrutkowski7316

2 жыл бұрын

nope. no learning so far.

@Antonio-fj5gs

Жыл бұрын

Yeah nothing changed Go old America

@ajstevens1652

8 ай бұрын

Now there's trans in the military. They haven't learned.

They fail to mention it was her actions that created the stall

The engine stalled because she applied incorrect control inputs in response to a bad approach. The stalled engine was a symptom of the crash, not the cause. The fact is she should not have been in that cockpit, she needed more training. The crash was pilot error.

Was the 1994 era graphics for authenticity?

They say the engine stalled and was unreliable like that's a reasonable explanation. Gas turbine engines do not, nor do any internal combustion engines, stall for no reason.

@kdrapertrucker

3 жыл бұрын

The TF30 was never designed to be a fighter aircraft engine, it was designed to be a bomber engine. The F-14A was forced to use them as they had already been purchased for the F-111B which the F-14 replaced when it became obvious the F-111B could not fulfill the fighter role.

@kdrapertrucker

3 жыл бұрын

It stalled because she pulled a hard turn at low power. The TF30 was not designed for maneuvering, and was very susceptible to compressor stalls. Any disruption in airflow could stall the engine. Which is why the Navy was so desperate to replace the TF30 when the budget allowed.

@jeff2235

3 жыл бұрын

@@kdrapertrucker Yes, it was originally designed for the F6D Missileer, but with the afterburner worked well in the Tomcat. In what way was it lacking?

Military Service is inherently dangerous,GOD bless those who serve.

@Jewels-rp9js

4 жыл бұрын

@Joe Kinchicken Ola!! Back to the kitchen...then back to the bunk!! I'm not going to let u stand alone on this one amigo!! JD/82nd 82/87

@Jewels-rp9js

4 жыл бұрын

Ola! Jumping out of planes in the middle of the night is a thankless job. May God bless you for your comment. JD/82nd 82/87

@amllsoup9732

4 жыл бұрын

@Joe Kinchicken i think there are many good female pilots, but hultgreen was an idiot

@dirtjar6332

4 жыл бұрын

@@amllsoup9732 Right! This crash was definitely pilot error and she was pushed through training because of political agendas and double standards, but at the end of the day, she's just a tiny plot on a huge graph. Women CAN be good pilots, just not when they're pushed through training like she was.

@paulkerr5082

4 жыл бұрын

@Joe Kinchicken Back in the cave knuckle dragger.

0,4 sec time caused her life,R.I.P. and may god give strength to her family

@user-pk1yh1wf2p

4 жыл бұрын

i know that,i felt sorry about the loss of her life,too difficult for you to understand it but us assholes are excused,their brain shines through their president