"I've delved deeper into the butts." We love you, Matt.

@nevisysbryd7450

3 жыл бұрын

"Don't go to sleep by the butts!" Matt is not a spooning man.

@john-paulsilke893

3 жыл бұрын

His wife isn’t going to like his openness on the subject of his butts investigations.

@nevisysbryd7450

3 жыл бұрын

@@john-paulsilke893 Idk, Matt might actually be right behind her on that one.

@john-paulsilke893

3 жыл бұрын

@Lance Conrad troll. Trying to steal data from people. Flixzone is a trap and a bot scam.

So the moral is to be cautious lest your shaft, aimed at a butt, misses the mark.

@daddyleon

3 жыл бұрын

@@scottwyand How say three "hail mary"'s!

@pattheplanter

3 жыл бұрын

And hope the butt is free of wind.

@scottmacgregor3444

3 жыл бұрын

True, you may even sink your shaft in another man's face.

@Peter_Wendt

3 жыл бұрын

@@scottmacgregor3444 Gentlemen, gentlemen! Please do not debase this comment section with crudity. It does a disservice to the subject matter. Remember, this is an educational video recounting incidents where men lounging near butts were penetrated by shafts. Show a little class.

I appreciate such a thoughtful investigation of butts. Clearly an example of someone who has studied butts thoroughly and understands the enormous imprint butts have made on history.

@trikepilot101

3 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the imprint on the sofa.

@john-paulsilke893

3 жыл бұрын

Yes such rigorous and deep penetration of such a dark subject is important and lubricates ones mind.

@raidsiren1556

3 жыл бұрын

There's a traditional Englsh song that goes: "I dost truly liketh large butts, and I cannot tell an untruth. thou brothers of the bow must concur, when one slumbers in a ditch and a round thing in thine face, thou might gets smote, desire to pull roughly, as thou noticed an arrow through thine head ..." I can't remember the name tho...

@krystofdayne

3 жыл бұрын

@@trikepilot101 Way to kill the joke dude xD

Late Anglo Saxon (1000) Stybbanhyð -> Domesday (1086) Stibanhede -> Stows Survey (1633) 'Stebunheth (otherwise called Stebinhith)' -> Stebonheath -> Stepney

@scholagladiatoria

3 жыл бұрын

Cool!

"Why would you be lying asleep in a ditch?" Ooooh, Mr Easton, I could tell you a few stories about that. Best guess is that the unfortunate Matthew had overdone his liquid lunch. Moral of this sad tale? Don't get ratted near a target range.

@johnladuke6475

3 жыл бұрын

Now be honest man, when it comes to ditch-sleeping drunk you really aren't making informed decisions anymore. Probably not even conscious decisions. I'm still not entirely clear on what I intended to do with that brick of cheese.

@Kim-the-Dane-1952

3 жыл бұрын

at least he got to come back as an actor... ha ha ha

@UnreasonableOpinions

3 жыл бұрын

This has been good advice at every stage of human history.

@zebedeesummers4413

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnladuke6475 right, that is why you get drunk somewhere far from projectiles.

@carebear8762

3 жыл бұрын

I can confirm that a ditch can be a fine place to nap after a bit of a binge. - A Matthew

Lucy: What are you doing that is taking all our internet bandwidth, Matt? Matt: I'm researching big butts.

@umartdagnir

3 жыл бұрын

Lucy: grab a stick and climb into a hole while I'm searching for a stone to put into my sock.

I'm guessing that if the arrowheads were as described yesterday, maybe their mass, weight and velocity caused fractures rather than penetrations, where the first maybe got infected, exacerbating the wound, and the second chap 'just' got a badly cracked noggin.

@robbikebob

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, less penetration, more blunt force trauma.. 🤔

@nevisysbryd7450

3 жыл бұрын

@@robbikebob Spanks and slaps to the face from a shaft are dangerous.

@robbikebob

3 жыл бұрын

@@nevisysbryd7450 oh, I know... Well, I don't know, someone told me... Cough cough shuffle....

But if Matthew Perry was shot in 1566, how did he act in Friends in the 1990s? Checkmate historians

@larsbundgaard5462

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not saying it was the aliens... But...

@ThePageofCups

3 жыл бұрын

more importantly, how was he able to be there in 1852 to force japan to open to the world?

@penhullwolf5070

3 жыл бұрын

Because he hath had twelve score pricks.

@johnladuke6475

3 жыл бұрын

Well if he's been alive that long it explains a lot about the way he looks in more recent photos.

@john-paulsilke893

3 жыл бұрын

There is a painting of a very, very old Mathew hiding in an attic somewhere.

“Death by butts” was not at all how I imagined it would be...

@Peter_Wendt

3 жыл бұрын

I am simultaneously disappointed and relieved.

@gerryjamesedwards1227

3 жыл бұрын

I felt sure suffocation would be involved somehow.

"I used to stand by the butts, until I took an arrow to the head."

@tomhirons7475

3 жыл бұрын

you deserved that, did you learn a lesson LOL

@AnimeSunglasses

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I HOPED someone had made such a comment as this.

I have been an archer for nearly 30 years and had heard only one story of death whilst at the butts. A lady was walking her dogs BEHIND THE BUTTS (!) whilst the menfolk were practicing, and was accidentally struck by an arrow and killed. I know no more - names, places, but I can remember that HentryVIII was on the throne.

I have experience of how a strong wind can carry an arrow way off course. On the only occasion when I tried archery, I scored a bullseye with my first arrow. However, the bullseye struck was not the one on my target, but someone else’s target downwind. I’d hate to think what would’ve happened had it been a person 😬🙈

@Riceball01

3 жыл бұрын

That kind of thing wasn't uncommon during rifle qual in the Marine Corps, particularly when we got to the 500 yard line. At that distance, the targets don't look much bigger than a postage stamp and it can get hard to figure which target was yours. Combine that with the distance where even the smallest deviation in your aim can mean big difference in where your shot lands, hitting your neighbor's target on either side of you wasn't that difficult.

@SonsOfLorgar

3 жыл бұрын

@@Riceball01 only the difference is that an archer can hit a target five stations down the line while aiming correctly for the base cross windage as a gust of wind snatches his arrow mid trajectory. For a pointed FMJ bullet out of a smokeless powder rifle to deviate even half as much the rifle must be mostly misaligned by user error already.

You should do more readings of first hand accounts in duels and military sword fighting. Those are by far some of the most fascinating videos I've ever seen

I'm pretty sure the epic poet/Knight Sir Mix A-Lot has a lot to say about butts.

@rollochairbreaker230

3 жыл бұрын

One liketh bygge butts and tis not a falsehoode.

@anonymousbosch9265

3 жыл бұрын

I think bardcore does as well

Now I imagine you as a medieval coroner. Every time you're called out you exclaim, "Buy why did he die?!" @6:06

@whyjay9959

3 жыл бұрын

"There's an arrow stuck in his head, that might have something to do with it."

Poor William, everyone saw the arrow coming but him. Interesting that they had time to respond, though.

@maxlutz3674

3 жыл бұрын

It takes an arrow a few seconds to travel to the target at longer ranges. Even at 30 yards there is a noticeable delay between release and impact. That´s plenty of time to start responding.

A bit shocking someone would be a spectator down range close enough that even a strong wind could blow an arrow at them.

@robbikebob

3 жыл бұрын

Strong winds are known to blow near the butts.....

@MrBottlecapBill

3 жыл бұрын

Today almost all of us drive at high speed in heavy metal boxes directly at each other with nothing but painted lines separating us.

@nate665

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrBottlecapBill just relating it to firearms, down range, even considerably to one side, not a place you wanna be.

@zebedeesummers4413

3 жыл бұрын

@@nate665 I'm sure people of the future will look at how many people died of car accidents with heading collision will see us similarly.

@kyleheins

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrBottlecapBill Indeed, humans are a reckless species, to say the very least.

The Gentlemen of the Honourable Artillery Company fired arrows from Mark to Mark as they followed a route around the City. There is a Mark at the top of the staircase in Armour House just outside the Long Room. The were moved out of the City to the site where Armour House now stand for their negligent discharges of fire arms.

Is it more likely Perry died from infection of the wound rather than necessarily the wound itself?

@pattheplanter

3 жыл бұрын

Considering that one of the pictures seemed to show someone defecating by the butt, I would think that infection would be highly likely.

@colbunkmust

3 жыл бұрын

also keep in mind the arrows were probably using target heads, either blunt or pointed, but not as pointy or cutty as a war point.

@PurpleDracos

3 жыл бұрын

I would suspect just shooting into earthen butts left enough bacteria and rust on the heads to give someone something like sepsis or tetanus. I would not be surprised if some people at the time died or lost body parts to infections caused by nicking or scratching themselves with their own arrows just carrying them around.

Perhaps the arrows were those target arrows you mentioned they may have used to shoot a wooden target and that was what allowed them to linger on so long after injury?

@2bingtim

3 жыл бұрын

Probably the wound just got infected-No antibiotics & lots of quackery around masquerading as medicine. Slow & painful way to die.

@nutyyyy

2 жыл бұрын

That's a very good point.

Good video. Reminds me of how “modern” tomahawk targets have nothing in common with historic targets. Today folks throw at sawn tree rounds on an A frame, or they make a target from wooden boards-like you see in “World Axe Throwing League”. But on the American frontier, pre-industrial revolution, saws weren’t really in use, and due to low population density, everything was heavily forested. So Native Americans used standing trees as tomahawk targets to practice throwing in combatives. The trees were plentiful and free. Trunks could be the thickness of a man’s torso. So there are accounts of Native Americans, even at young age, throwing their tomahawks at trees as they walked along the trail, constantly practicing the skill to hit a man-sized target at random distance. When I designed a spike tomahawk, similar in weight to the historic tomahawks they used, I found these modern sawn flat tomahawk targets to be incredibly dangerous. Historically these tomahawks were just 8-10 oz, much lighter than modern recreational tomahawks. And they rely on the speed of the throw in both combatives and to provide the force to stick into the wood. My throws were approaching 40 feet per second, and so these definitely could be thrown faster if you’re more athletic. At random distance, a throw will frequently impact handle-side first. On these modern flat wooden targets, the tomahawk would bounce back at the thrower, at great speed, and you can’t react quickly enough to dodge the bouncing tomahawk. But the round tree trunk is a much safer target because handle impacts just skip off at a tangential angle instead of bouncing immediately back towards the thrower.

The fact of them dying very late after injury - Tod of Tod's Workshop once mentioned that we don't seem to find arrowheads near butts, and so he said that they might actually be using blunts - they are cheaper, they don't dig into the ground and, even more importantly in case of the first dead guy mentioned here, they can skid far on the ground before they lose power. So they might be dying long deaths due to blunt trauma to the head, cracked skulls and swollen brain tissue

Wow those were amazing sources. Brilliant video!

This was fascinating, thanks Matt

Thank you for pointing to the source. Much appreciated.

Fascinating Dr Easton!! Thanks for sharing this with us!! Stay safe and God bless 🇺🇸☠️🇺🇸🇬🇧🇨🇦💂🤺⚔️

To say all this with a straight face... Bravo! No editing needed

Death by butts sounds like the consequences of mass consumption of baked beans, cabbage and boiled eggs!

So, accidents... happen. I wonder, if these are these blunt fowl-hunting-like arrowheads you mentioned in the previous video, would that be more like a hit by a hammerhead? Barely breaking the skin, but the bone under would? That could account for why it took them so long to die. Basically, by massive concussion trauma and possibly bleeding in the brain. A horrible death.

@jesper509

3 жыл бұрын

And infection?

@markusmencke8059

3 жыл бұрын

@@jesper509 always a possibility, sure. But with no or just a small open wound (which I think would be the case with those fowl-hunt-arrowheads), it should be a minor factor. Also at least in the second case, death after 4 or 5 days, it should not really be relevant (except if he had some problems already when getting hit - also possible). That is too fast imho. The first, the ditch-sleepyhead, death after around 2 weeks... with a larger wound from a normal arrowhead, yes, it would totally be possible. I would think we need more information, which we won‘t get any more...

Interesting, I have an old archery book and one of the comments that always interested me was,"Get a friend to stand by your target." This was so they could tell you where your arrow had landed so you could adjust.

@michaeltheoret8913

3 жыл бұрын

😱 Sounds like a way to get rid of that "friend" ! Like : " Hey umm..... Buddy .... Ima gonna try to hit that target way over there . I'm kinda new to this archery thing ,so go stand by that target so you can holler back how good I aimed . " Yeah, NOPE !

8:00 There's archeological evidence (from Poland) of a viking age dude who's lived many years with an arrowhead lodged in his skull, part of it within cranial cavity (If I remember correctly it entered through his eye). As to falling asleep in a ditch there is a reason I can think of... If that "range" was an equivalent of modern public football pitch it stands to reason that the tradition of drinking at such places goes back at least 500 years! What an amazing discovery!

Great video!

This is fascinating

You put out interesting videos. Thank you for your efforts. I hope you team up with Dr. Capwell again.

I very much like hearing these stories!

Great video.

It is true. If you fall asleep by the butts, you can be suddenly assaulted by a gust of wind. And, if you're unlucky, it might even carry projectiles, a rather nasty combination.

Probably he was drunk. I saw so many, friends and strangers, sleeping in ditches after a night of rounds

I think that the time between injury and death substantiates the concept that they were using blunt arrows for target practice. I think that it would be a different story if they were broadhead arrows.

Don't know if it was just on my end, but the sound was super scratchy on this one for me. Otherwise, good video as usual.

0:21 spat out my tea Matt. I wasn't ready for that. Lol

Matt, you may should check if your wife is pregnant, your pun game is pretty strong lately. Could be an early stade of dadjokes

I do love story time with Uncle Matt 😊

Matt, just a quick nit-pick. Your mic is picking up the movement of your coat against the lead in this video, so there is a constant scratchy noise in the background, distracting from your dulcet tones and the information being presented. As for Mathew Parry, he was killed in August (the 4th) - the inquest was in September. Being as it's in the afternoon in August, he'd probably had his lunch and (possibly beer to drink - as a labourer he could be part paid in such) and the weather made him sleepy. Just a thought as to why he was asleep in a ditch in the afternoon :-)

Cherokee archers used corn stalks stacked between wooden posts.when they wore out they were easily replaced.

@johnladuke6475

3 жыл бұрын

So their targets were shafts instead of butts. Interesting.

This was actually funny I would like to hear some more tales like this

It almost sounds similar to how we play basketball today. Where we have basketball courts in parks where anyone can come and join and spectate the game. This would also justify why the targets were mounds of earth and goals rather than a target. They could be something more permanent and larger scale for more people.

These coroner reports are very interesting. Do they have records like this of how soldiers died in battles?

Finally a video (almost) not exceeding 10 minutes!!!

I once came across a 15th century manuscript written by Sir Mixalot where he mentions those butts. You should give it a read.

@colinmcgrath2392

3 жыл бұрын

Is that "Baby dost hath back"?

A question I've always wondered is, why do later poleaxes consist of distinct parts put together, when earlier ones seem to have been solid pieces (like the two you've shown us from the Wallace Collection)? Isn't the solid construction stronger? What advantage does the later style of construction offer? I can't imagine ease of repair to be the reason, given the sorts of people who used poleaxes.

Shooting the marks was long range, indirect fire practice on several poles or stakes "marks" at various distances.

+scholagladiatoria *Like the modern firearms range, the modern archery range can be hazardous to the workers at the downrange end, as driven home in the Coroner's Inquests featured this vid.* Both cases pinned the death on infection from an aggravated wound.

Interesting and funny video!..But(t) what statue is that in the background?

I take it that the archers were shooting the arrow type prescribed by the law, which is to say blunts. That would explain the severity of a head wound from such a missile, resulting in concussion, skull fracture, bleeding on the brain and eventual death.

This fixation on butts is .... interesting.

A dry ditch is actually quite nice to sleep in if it is dry - providing a soft bedding of tall grass.

7:50 "Look out!" "Avoid the arrow!" But William did not, and died just a bit over a fortnight later. Thus, the tradition of calling "Fortnight!" as a warning to duck was born. Through time, of course, it was shortened to "Fore!"

I think in both cases the comment about "the length of time between the death and the inquest" wasn't referring to how long it took each man to die of his injury, but the month it took from when the death happened to when the inquest took place.

@LukeShimek

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps a cover-up? I noted the same: distance between death and inquest, not death and injury.

@donsample1002

3 жыл бұрын

The stock nature of the phrase makes it more likely that it was a fairly common occurrence, simply from there not being enough coroners to handle all investigations in a timely manor.

Fascinating. 👍

Kia ora Mr. Gladatoria, In one of your videos on the Scutum, you talked about Indian manufacturers of Scuta replica, who would they be? If I were to purchase a Scutum, it'd probably mostly be decorative tbh.

Great video, Sir. It's a shame that Mathew Parrey didn't live up to his surname, isn't it?

Proud to be a subscriber to the butt channel.

I know it's not the subject discussed but that a fine collection of swords you have.

Another term for butts seems to be 'rovers'. See the map of Hoxton and photo of the stone 'rover' here: www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-london/vol8/pp72-88. Archers could move from target to target, rather than shoot from a fixed spot at either end of the butts.

@nevisysbryd7450

3 жыл бұрын

Might be that those were specifically for the targets where you roam ('rove') about from one to the next, therefore being a subtype.

I was going to say use some mic tape, but im abit confused where the the fabric sounds are coming from.

I'm not the first one to just go straight to "He'd 100% been out on the lash" about the late Mathew Parrey taking a metaphorical dirtnap, before ending up taking an actual one.

It was 1585 when the Longbow was effectively made obsolete as after that date it was not an accepted weapon when the militia was mustered.

There’s some interesting behaviour at that butt in the drawing at the seven minute mark.

@tomevans9451

3 жыл бұрын

You mean the public display of affection, the bloke having a crap, or whatever the guy with no neck is doing?

@CAP198462

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomevans9451 indeed I was referring to the hand and forearm exercise and the gentleman being caught short, so to speak.

ok, the word butt is starting to become an obsession now x) is the use of the word butt in the English language as used before starting your counterpoint to an argument (often your own) used because that's how you would use a pair of butts in archery? stand at one shoot at the other then go and shoot back at your original position(argument)? kinda like how the word quarrel (as an argument) might come from the old word for a crossbow bolt?

Possibly can assume the weather wasn't wet, and maybe not so cold, of you're asleep in a ditch. Was the date a Sunday? If this was a Sunday morning then this unfortunate chap could have been sleeping off a Saturday night drinking. This would account him not finding his way home, not waking and not hearing the archers. I vaguely remember archery being a weekend thing? Could be works worst hangover

I wonder what Matthew Perry would have thought about thousands of people listening to the story of his death nearly five centuries hence?!

@vernonkatz5042

3 жыл бұрын

Witchcraft!

I heard you been playing bannerlord. It would be really interesting seeing a video(s) on the weapons in the game, since they are based on historical versions. Those menavalion though 😂

I slept in ditches to avoid the work my father wanted to give me. He found my spot so didnt work for a very long time.

At 1:10, if you're looking for regulations on the preferred size of butts, may I refer you to an excellent treatise by Sir Mix-a-Lot of Seattle, who discussed the issue in great detail and with strong conviction.

I guess back then they liked to spectate near the target as there weren't binoculars available

“Now that the bloody fool got shot. I figure we should draw a line in the dirt around the target. Like the ditch out there that helps keep the morons away”

Maybe they were using the equivalent of field points, target points or some such, which may have accounted for the injuries not being more immediately fatal? Another popular event was shooting at Poppinjays atop a high pole using blunts with Flu Flu flights which act rather like flights on a shuttles cock.

Matt, guessing the Crime scene investigation back then was pretty basic. Would any of the tools and methods been similar to today?

Multiple days between injury and death? Kinda sounds like blunt trauma causing internal brain bleeds.

Shit gets real at da buttz.

We ll of course people went to watch and bet and socialize. Wouldn't be surprised to find the ancestor of C.M.O.T. Dibbler there as well.

Seeing as these unfortunate gentlemen took some time to die. Could the arrows that struck them have been practice arrows.

@2bingtim

3 жыл бұрын

If the wound became infected that could be all it took. Only rich people could afford decent medical care & even much of that was quackery. A very slow & painful way to die. No antibiotics until into the C20th.

I once lost 6 target arrows in a park. All the arrows buried them selves under the grass roots. I found one or two ,just! the rest are probably still there. Circa 1972

@michaeltheoret8913

3 жыл бұрын

If made of fiberglass ,probably may be at least in part still there or someone probably found them and took them.

That mic rustle on the jacket is making me feel funny

Pretty sure the longbow was still used by the British during WWII. Admittedly, only by a single guy, but still.

Tudors be like: I like big butts, and I cannot lie. Thou other munks cannot deny.

More first hand accounts please👌👊

Death by butts ... what a cheeky way to go.

7:33 This was before the invention of the word "fore!!!"

Video title: has the word Tudor In my brain: Berserk OST, "My Brother" starts playing

Death from choking on shoes is no laughing matter, I've lost two cobblers to that. Little known hazard of the job

Walking down range to change my target at a well regulated and controlled shooting range is palpably discomfiting to me. I'd never be able to fall asleep in that place.

@johnladuke6475

3 жыл бұрын

I'd guess that the guy sleeping in the ditch might have been drunk enough that he wasn't properly aware of where exactly he was.

@michaeltheoret8913

3 жыл бұрын

I know the feeling well. Went with a good Buddy of mine to a very well regulated archery range to sight in our new bows . We had just purchased them . Even though my Buddy and I had finished our shooting ,no one else was there yet , and we both were both collecting our arrows, I felt that same palpable discomfort. Especially because I remember from back in Junior High during Gym Class during the Archery Unit ,seeing some dingbat kid setting up to shoot an arrow TOWARDS where other students were retrieving arrows . That idiot kid had actually started to draw back and "lock his aim" before the Coach was able to stop him . The Coach removed the student and flunked him for being so reckless. I remember yelling "HEY,HEY ,HEY!" to warn others. Now the bows we were trained on had a twenty -thirty pound draw , which is more than strong enough to cause extremely severe or even lethal injuries .

As I understand it, the longbow was a Welsh weapon, which the English took up in the 13th century.. This was well after the Battle of Hastings, yet Harold is said to have been killed by an arrow to they eye. Also this is after the time of Robin Hood, who was supposed to be an excellent user of the lognbow. The question is this: What was the military bow prior to the aadoption of the Welsh longbow?

@martins.4240

3 жыл бұрын

My guess would be the self bow. It was used all over Europe (and much of the world) for thousands of years. In Asia and the east they also used composite bows of course, but that's a different story.

@lalli8152

3 жыл бұрын

Longbows i think were thing all over europe. I guess it was specifically the battle tactics, and maybe more, and more powerful bows the english adopted from welsh. To my uderstanding longbow just means its well long. Even Ötzi the iceman had 1.83cm yew bow as he died

@SpacePatrollerLaser

3 жыл бұрын

@@martins.4240 The longbow was also a self bow, which is just a bow made of a single staff, as opposed to a compliste bow, made of different things joined together, originally wood, horn and sinew. WE have composite bows today made of modern materials. One of the keys to the longbow's performance was that it was made of yew wood (grom Italy), which has both hardwood and softwood. Where the Wdish got yew I have no idea unless they were trading with Italy before they were conquered. That seems unlikely since they were pretty isolated since the sixthe century

R.I.P Chandler

I really should have written this comment long ago, as it relates to your comment in your video on polearms: You said in that video that one wouldn’t take a polearm with one when going down the local with one’s mates. Well, as it turned out, that wasn’t entirely accurate, as there was a killing in the 14th Century in London, where one fellow got mad at another for his having urinated upon him, and the urinator getting his own back by getting the halberd he had brought with him to the pub (or inn, it must have been) and stabbing the angry fellow to death with it. It seems to me that maybe Mr. Urinator had set the whole thing up and pissed on the other chap, just so that he would be provoked into shouting at him, or some such like, so that Mr. Urinator in response could go get his polearm and kill him, but I’m just speculating. (Source: www.vrc.crim.cam.ac.uk/vrcresearch/london-medieval-murder-map)

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I missed a lot of this video's intro because I was laughing

I often watch American marksmen shooting at a target, behind which is a high and wide, safe area called "the bute", I hope that's spelt correctly?? I wonder if this is what was then called "a but/butt"? Nowadays nobody is ever allowed anywhere near that area, in fact, not even in any area in front of the shooter or even close to the areas where the shooter might, in a moment of laxed concentration or elation possibly forget what kind of "weapon" they have in their hands, and still folks get. Injured. In 1356 or there abouts I bet there where many who had not one jot of the idea that "having a kip," out of their bosses view could slowly kill them through some kind of septicemia or a suchlike ailment. Nor I suppose would an honourably intentioned volunteer even have a knowledge of the horrors of things that would be worse than death, a quick death I mean, when they scratched their mark onto that document that they gladly signed. Thank your God that we have methods of education and the ability to pass the knowledge on in the modern world, please don't abuse this gift, it is really only one of the gifts we have. A gift, not a right.

Twelve score pricks you say... Oh my.