Jin getting nerfed doesn’t bother me at all he will always be my main regardless

@donjozboy9520

3 жыл бұрын

Jin need buff NOW NOW

@davismanning4105

3 жыл бұрын

@@donjozboy9520 nah b

@barracudaboi790

3 жыл бұрын

So will always be my case as well.

@lebomokutu1898

3 жыл бұрын

me too broski you are not alone

@barracudaboi790

3 жыл бұрын

I have been playing Season 4 Jin and he still feels very strong, like he now is a Tekken character

Jin mains when Jin gets nerfed: NOOOOOO you cant just nerf the protagonist Gigas mains when Gigas (Season 2) got nerfed: Understandable. Have a great day.

@ShiniGamiAD

3 жыл бұрын

I am a hardcore Jin main, ,and i dont know tf this rant's bout. i dont see any nerfs.. all i see is adjustment. People who are whining about Magic4 nerf shows how much they rely on just one move from Jin's bag of tools.

@prateekpujara5742

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShiniGamiAD what? Then take away Steve's Back 1 Kazuya's Df2 And so on Bcz yeah obviously Steve and Kazuya mains don't rely on only one move, do they?

@BEER-OTFG

3 жыл бұрын

@@prateekpujara5742 you can‘t compare these moves tho jin‘s standing 4 is 11f kazuya‘s df2 and steves b1 is 14f kazuya‘s df2 is -12 steve‘s b1 is -14 jin‘s standing 4 is safe on block and saying they rely on only these moves isn‘t true both moves are there to frame trap and be sure when to use it so that they can get either the plus frames on hit or get the ch

@inugamifenrir

3 жыл бұрын

@@BEER-OTFG steve b1 is safe if u hold back i dont know why they made it punishable and jin 4 is 13f not 11

@BEER-OTFG

3 жыл бұрын

@@inugamifenrir okay yes thanks for the correction but even if that is the case both of these two characters have a completely different playstyle while steve can poke you away its more crucial for him to hold back or get that one plus frame hit that will frame trap you for that ch b1 while jin has so many playstyles and options for jin its rather like either getting a frametrap counterhit or he could shut down someone stepping with standing 4 it has alot of versatility while steve‘s b1 is almost always a ch launcher since steve doesn‘t have anything good in terms of launchers

I’m sad that that crumple animation is gone it was so cool

@Johnnnnie

3 жыл бұрын

Yeap that's what I'm most sad about. Ff4 comes close second.

@theWIIISEguy

3 жыл бұрын

Um. What about CH bf2? CH b3?

@barracudaboi790

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, pretty bad nerf, but it still is a CH launcher

JIN: *GETS NERFED* TMM: "Oh no....anyway" (edit: Don't misunderstand me, guys. I'm not a tmm hater. Just wanted to make a meme. Didn't knew people will actually like it)

@SimaoRodrigues...

3 жыл бұрын

Do I detect a Dacia Sandero reference?

@ItsJustDevi

3 жыл бұрын

TMM: here is an in depth analysis. Apologist: "click, post comment, outta here"

@hagli7847

3 жыл бұрын

@@SimaoRodrigues... The what? Well...anyway

@muby102

3 жыл бұрын

@@SimaoRodrigues... nope. Top gear, completely different thing

@SimaoRodrigues...

3 жыл бұрын

_Welcome to bottom gear mates_

Leroy should have his block turn into parries. This will give him his own “identity”.

You taught me how to play Jin from your old Jin guide (TT2 days) and I never thought you hated the character. Jin nerfs in season 4 I never thought it killed the character, sure it's different, but I don't think it too much of a change that with a bit some time and practice we all used to it. Great video showcasing he still a strong character, with loads of great moves and his big combo damage.

Jin's FF3 is much slower and has less range, not really comparable to Kazuya. Jin was always gonna get nerfed, it's okay to nerf his tools, but nerf to the point that some of them get inconsistent it's what is not ok. They nerfed F4 to the point that CH from it pick up it's extremely hard to pick up from, now they gave an off axis screw on CH4. CH4 it's a node to Ryu Narushima, which is the Jin, Kaz and Hei, mocap artist, and his Roundhouse kick used to give that crumple stun animation in real life Jin had up to season 2, all this talk about identity and how come you are not aware of this, if there was something original in Jin's 4 was that crumple stun, and i wasn't even mad with the small damage on Season 1, they could've just adjust the animation for the pick up to work against all chars and would still be a better buff than the season 2 CH4 full combo, imo. The season 4 barely started and ppl are already requesting to nerf Jin's EWHF next. This just shows how bad some ppl at tekken really to the point of requesting a complete redesign of the character. Besides, Jin lost a lot of his tools going to tag 2 and tekken 7, he lost his oki, he lost his omen, he lost his KI charge mechanic, he lost reveals, he lost B21 pickups after certain moves hits and now he is steadily losing his right leg. F4 hitting grounded was nerfed, then pushback was increased, now FF4 has no plus frames (I don't care with the mishima comparison, he is half mishima) and now 4 lost the most iconic animation he had. If Jin gets a launch the reward should be consistent, i didn't need to work extremely hard to get combos off my correct reads if what you do is keep running into his moves, but as someone said, if you have execution then what is the point of playing Jin? Better off playing Devil Jin and Kazuya at this point the rewards are much better and consistent, you have to go to the stress of thinking too much on the tools you use like Jin. When will this stop? Kazuya got buffed to the point that you can't barely step him, but no one says anything, Devil Jin got his uf4 B4 back and no one says anything. Jin gets a consistent reward off a punish (BLAH BLAH he shouldn't have this) i Really wish the ppl that get so dictating on tekken balancing should really try to main this character instead of pretending and do half assed demos in theory of how good x y z tools are.

@shashankrai5808

3 жыл бұрын

Also he talks about jins parry, despite it being good it is locked behind super high execution and very hard read. If you start using jins parry as a panic move that is a sure easy way to get launched and some moves are still safe even if you parry them, everybody complains about leroy's parry but noone complains about jins parry because unlike Leroy's baby easy mode execution not even the pro jin players are able to make it part of their strats let alone online jin players use them.

@goldenHashbrown

3 жыл бұрын

None of these guys demanding nerfs actually use Jin. Smfh

@labrecords6573

3 жыл бұрын

Im a hei main, what i have to Say..

@codenameidk206

3 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly, especially about his oki being nerfed.

@sakushitsugoda6595

3 жыл бұрын

You're just another fanboy.. Jin's electric was never meant to launch, look at t4, t5, ttt2... Why is that move a launcher?? Why is his d4 -12 now?? Magic 4?? Again, this had never given full combo until t7...

This video feels like when your girlfriend (s4 buffs in this case) leaves you for another guy and tries to cheer you up and make you feel better.

I'm fine with Jin nerfs in general, hitting Magic 4 was just my favourite move when it came to the animation and feeling of satisfaction. The way jin retracts his leg after the hit with the zoom in just looked so nice.

@Alpdude

3 жыл бұрын

This. It was really nice, now it just doesn't happen. He always follows through. :S

@einaurieth6588

3 жыл бұрын

It was the most satisfying move to land in my opinion and I already miss that animation. That loud sound and zoom effect was pretty goodtoo

@bryansam650

3 жыл бұрын

The animation, The loud bang! The Zoom in! And how Jin recovers by retracting his leg nailed it for me. I'll certainly miss that, but they could have maintained the Zoom in, so it would be reminiscent of D.Js forward forward 4

@Jack_X075

3 жыл бұрын

THIS THIS THIS....they need to reverse the neutral 4 CH asap...

@jacksuwanpradit6992

3 жыл бұрын

Neckbreaker kick! Damn, that’s a visual nerf big time

points of contention ff4 nerf this was Jin's main mid oki tool and nerfing it implies we are intended to be using ff3 more, which is more like a mishima, not less, so it actually does not give him a more distinct identity but quite the opposite. in general the season 4 changes have encouraged a more mixup oriented playstyle for Jin, making him more mishima-like overall - which would be fine, if his ff3 actually had any range and his hellsweep wasn't considerably more seeably reactable than any other hellsweep in the game parry Jin's parry is superior to Leroy's only in edge cases or at the absolute highest levels of play. Yes, it parries some moves that are normally unparriable, but the ability to auto-parry and auto-punish entire strings is far superior in the majority of situations. calling Jin's parry the best parry in the game is like calling taunt jet upper the best launcher in the game. like yes, that is technically correct, but this is reality not magical christmas land. in the majority of real gameplay situations, Leroy's parry is far more useful and powerful punishment tools and WS launcher 14 frame WS launchers are nothing special, and neither is having decent range on one. hell, you even point out here that your own character's WS launcher is a frame faster. same goes for decent punishment. having a launcher at 15 is normal, having a wall bounce at 14 is nothing out of the ordinary considering it's a high high. pointing out that Jin has decent basic tools shows that he's an average character with no standout moves. there's really nothing broken about him to show, unlike with characters like Leroy and Fahkumram. other characters with specific super useful tools that cover a wide range of situations include Hwoarang, Devil Jin and yes, also Kazuya. these characters are generally able to rely on a few powerful core moves. the reason this is not the case for Jin is that he lacks anything like DJ vortex, Kaz df2 or Marn's Leg. he USED to have f4 and db4, that was his identity. instead, he now has to go for mishima style mixups but without the necessary tools to do so sufficiently effectively f4 speaking of f4, I notice that you again call it one of the best moves in the game, citing that it is a counter hit launcher without demonstrating yourself performing the pickup from launch. the obvious reason for this is that actually doing so is almost impossible and your audience would see that clear as day if you actually attempted to show the combo. the only player in the world who can get the pickup from CH f4 consistently is CherryBerryMango. even Book won't attempt it every time. if the best Jin players in the world can't guarantee consistency from this combo, and most players can't even hit the pickup in practice mode, is it really realistic to call this a launch at all? when players used to call Jin f4 one of the best moves in the game, they were referring to the version that counter hit launched without Zen transition, since it also functioned that way as a keepout move and pressure tool, something which cannot be said of the Zen cancel version. without no Zen CH combo, Jin f4 is nothing special, just like the rest of his movelist, and unlike the key moves of many if not most other characters counter hit launchers if there is one aspect of Jin's game that has consistently seen nerfs this is it. as I mention above, f4 and db4 were core moves important to Jin's identity and playstyle, and removing their consistency was arguably the biggest mistake Namco could have made with the character. the CH tools he has left are, like the rest of his toolkit, decent enough but nothing special. standing 4 is fast but duckable just like any other magic 4. b3 is a decent mid but not the fastest and very steppable. df2 would be a natural hit launch for other characters but only CH launches for Jin, which like the majority of his moveset is good enough but just pretty meh. summary if you're seeing a theme here it's that while Jin does have decent tools for the most part, he does not have any standout moves like most other characters who are considered high tier. the difficulty in playing Jin isn't just that playing Jin is difficult, or even that playing certain other, very strong characters is comparitively easy both mechanically and in terms of gameplan. the issue is that in addition to having to use a wider array of moves due to not having an easy set of just a few identity-defining, super powerful moves, Jin players also have to contend with the fact that most of their character's most essential tools are either average or below average in their utility even for that move's intended purpose. so we have people playing a character who requires very lateral thinking to determine the right move for the right situation, often with an execution barrier to performing them, and even then half of those tools are subpar for that situation - up against players who only need to know a handful of moves for all situations, situations in which those far more versatile and frequently easy to perform moves are generally better than the Jin player's supposedly perfect tools anyway. this is why you see Jin players struggling online - he might not seem underpowered, since he appears to have no weaknesses, but not having any strengths is a weakness in its own right. in a meta where it's normal for high tier characters to possess overpowered tools, having average tools is underpowered by comparison, no matter how complete your set of them is for all these reasons I don't consider the idea that Jin is quote unquote "still really good" to be a valid assessment. I think it ought to be clear to anyone who has spent a significant amount of time playing him since season 3 that he is only just above average at this point. Season 2 Jin was more or less perfect. he had powerful, unique tools that gave him a distinctive identity and could convert consistently from most launches, but still had to perform high execution techniques for maximum damage. he felt like the well rounded, consistent character he should be while at the same time still being hard to master due to the variety of gameplan options necessary for him to learn to succeed. he wasn't being forced into unsafe mixups using subpar moves against overpowered characters that could just steamroll him with their favourite five jank techs tl;dr: TMM, if you're reading this, I challenge you to pull off a full CH f4 conversion in a real match just once. I bet you can't.

@varunsrivastava1848

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely on-point. Jin is just an average character with high execution demands now. Very well said, and TMM is either biased or unable to see reality objectively.

@goldenHashbrown

3 жыл бұрын

Who can argue against this, honestly?

@LoneAssassin-iy8ww

3 жыл бұрын

@@goldenHashbrown Most probably, no one

@Johnnnnie

3 жыл бұрын

@@varunsrivastava1848 ohhhh TMM is a total bitch. If it's not Kazuya he'll complain about the character.

Bro. Outta of all the videos from TMM I watch so far, this is by far and ALWAYS will be my favorite video yet😍. Thanks, Mainman😁👍🏻

The problem with Jin's pokes have always been his reach. They buffed ff3 1,2 so that it jails, but go into lab and you'll see that many times his 1 simply whiffs. 2,1,4 his primary lockdown string, about 40% of the time the 1 will whiff at range 0. The only thing you need to do against a Jin pressuring with these tools is backdash. Jin has good pressure with his brain-dead easy 1,2 mixup with 3 or 4, but it's not a guaranteed mix-up; fuzzy ducking after 1,2 makes either choice an option select and while the 4 option creates space, the 3 option gives no frame advantage. Since it's back to neutral after either option, the pressure is all mental. In terms of genuine mid pressure, all he has now is f3~3, which comes out extremely slow, or f4 from range, which, in this video you clearly don't even attempt to do the CH combo, especially not without a ZEN stance transition - the shit's hard and inconsistent. In this video I hear alot of talk about character identity, but all they've done with this patch is meld Jin into the identity of other characters. Other than his extremely good (but steppable) bf2 strings, or his still very good d4, he's fallen into the same mixup pressure for non-competitive online players as a Dragunov, Kazumi, or Bob - but all of these characters have easier mixup tools and don't have as disjointed of a gameplan in neutral. In terms of long range pressure - with his right leg nerfs he's forced to pressure and look for whiff punishes like a Mishima with EWHF, and he still doesn't have the same whiff recovery buff on that option as other Mishimas. The point is, sure these nerfs add character by forcing Jin to be played a certain way, but it's a bit paradoxical: The reason Jin's 4 options were so strong is that they made up for his absolute shit reach from his jab-starter pressure tools. Nerfing these forces Jin to play a more execution-heavy, long-range whiff punish game where other Mishimas, Kazumi, Alisa, and now Julia are the stars of the show.

@damionbaxter4912

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for saving me the time to type all that.

@sadracdesert

3 жыл бұрын

@@damionbaxter4912 facts 😭😭

@hasnoku

3 жыл бұрын

@@damionbaxter4912 No worries. Jin is still a very powerful character if you have the execution. But, the problem is that with each subsequent change to his character, if you have the execution you're better off not playing Jin if that makes sense? That's the paradox. TMM makes points that sound good, but when we look at the character more objectively, his statements about character identity or his demonstration of how Jin is still really strong don't play out. When I look back at how long it took him to get to TGP with Jin in S3 and how non-optimally he played at times compared to my standards and many other Jin players on stream (no knock to TMM, he's still a very good Mishima player) I don't think he's the voice of reason on this, especially with how well Kazuya got treated this patch.

@damionbaxter4912

3 жыл бұрын

@@hasnoku yeah I get what you mean. Tmm is right jin does need most of his tools to be good but when you make those tools less and less useful he loses his identity and becomes more in line with the rest of his family not separate.

@vangoghsseveredear

3 жыл бұрын

@@hasnoku im a filthy tekken casual, ill be the first to admit this... but I think a lot of people seriously overrate Jin. I dont know the game well enough to exactly pinpoint why, but... Getting wins with Jin just *feels* harder than a lot of other characters. And I've labbed a TON. I know all his good moves, strings, I can electric and whiff punish, I know high damage combos, I'm not a total scrub, I just dont play every day. That being said, theres something about Jin that feels a lot more difficult to use and win with than some of the other characters you've mentioned. It feels like you need to try harder to attain similar results than other characters, and like everyone knows, you need good execution. Idk, maybe that doesn't make sense and I should just git gud, but thats just an observation I've made as a philthy casual trying to main Jin

As a Jin main, I agree with you since the start and never complain about his state. Jin is pretty well rounded but you need to know what you’re doing with. He had everything you need for every situation but this means you have to be able to adapt yourself quickly. And now plz, TMM (and everyone in the commentary), I would love to have your analyze on Kunimitsu. I know she’s released since just a few day but I’m in love with her and want to know your feeling about her. P.S : Excuse me if my english is bad, I do my best to be understandable.

@landoncore92

3 жыл бұрын

Your English was pretty great here man. Only one sentence seems weird to a native speaker but it's perfectly understandable!

@samuelemasci7620

3 жыл бұрын

great English b

@SmokinSkyzoStyle

3 жыл бұрын

@@landoncore92 well, thank. And so, have you tried Kunimitsu yet ? What are you thinking of the S4 ?

@HERO_OMAR

3 жыл бұрын

@@SmokinSkyzoStyle well i tried her she seems fun but lack good poking lows don't have good counter hit, high crushes and she don't have good way to get her strong backturn stance Except for that she is very fun and good character tho it look likes a lot but it is only 25% that is she missing i like her so i will keep playing her good luck.

@Shun_Monk

3 жыл бұрын

Hello @Happy Skyzo, I've broken down Kunimitsu II and I also love the character (been playing Kunimitsu I in my second team in Tag 2) They made her very mix up heavy compared to her mother, but she still has decent pokes like d/f+4, d/f+1, d/b+4 and d+1 (although they nerfed d/f+4's range but made it i12). She can be stepped to the right, like her mother, but she has fast, good high tracking moves (f+3+4, standing 3), also, d/f+1, d+1 BT+d+2 and d/b+4 track to her weak side. Her mid tracking moves are relatively unsafe, unfortunalely (b+2 was one of my favorites but they made it a fast power crush at -11 on block) the one with best frames is her BT+1+2, which is -2 on block and a really good move overall. f+3 SET+2 is also a good option, but it can be sidewalked right if the opponent knows the timing. There's also WS+2 which is safe but has poor range. She has unseeable lows, including a slow FC+d/f+2 that's -11 on block with poor range, and her traditional FC+d/f+3 that's no longer a launcher (gives ff+2. Her punishment is quite good (Standing: 10f: 1,2,2 (+6) or i9 ff+4,2 (KD) 12f: 4,3 into mixups 13f: f+2,3 15f: u/f+4,3 or d/f+2) (While crouching: i11:WS+4 i13: WS+1,1 i14: WS+2,4 i20: u/b+3+4) Her main problem IMO is that her + moves are really slow (u+3+4, 1,1,4 or BT+1,2,4) and quite easy to step, second being she has below average damage (on open field I managed to max at 68 with u/f+3,4, f+4~f SET+1, f+4~f SET+1,2,1 S! run, f+4~f SET+u/f+4 which is hard; and her classic 1, d/f+1 d+2,1,2,1+2 at the wall is rather low damage with a -13 oki which is real bad, but I'll be testing other options later). In general, I could barely hit the 80 damage mark with a full launch + wall combo. [EDIT]: f+4~f, SET+1, QCF+1 is her most damaging ender, and works after long combos if you can connect f+4 after tailspin. u/f+3,4, f+4~f SET+1, f+4~f SET+1,2,1 S! run, f+4~f SET+1, QCF+1 does 71 damage and gives good oki. I still find her wall combo enders lacking in frame advantage: d/b+2,4,2 and d/f+1,2,2 are both -5, so the best frames with was with BT+1,2,1 which is about +3 but isn't very damaging. I find you have to sacrifice damage for oki which I really like, but makes her pale in comparison to the rest of the cast. To be honest, just like her mother, her combo potential is good in open areas, but she struggles at the wall. You'll have to get creative with setups that don't rely on full wall combos, and I think there's some good stuff there (1 d/f+1 is a good setup from jumping behind the opponent, SSR before gives you backturned dickjab ws+2,4 into +12, also from dead center you can delay hopkick 3 for a 4,3 +6 guaranteed setup on quick roll right) Hope this helps and be warned I might have made some mistakes with frames and such, but overall, I really like her design and playstyle.

12:07 Imma stay at Fujin forever then.

@ace6806

3 жыл бұрын

Eh, you don't say...

@syaredzaashrafi1101

3 жыл бұрын

@@ace6806 lol. i thought he was saying fujin as well. but after that othey guys comment. mainman were actually saying few Jin. lol silly me

@ace6806

3 жыл бұрын

@@syaredzaashrafi1101 Well, my comment was a joke xd.

Thanks for posting this. Needed this

Let's talk about Kazuya losing his identity when Namco gave him Devil Jin's b4.

@xxlgsoul6873

3 жыл бұрын

facts

@tonson5214

3 жыл бұрын

already made a vid on that

@FGirao

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with this so much, why the fuck does kazuya has djv b4??

@iSmkEmUcH

3 жыл бұрын

@@FGirao Kazuya got Devil Jins B4 not the other way around.

@FGirao

3 жыл бұрын

@@iSmkEmUcH oh right

Man he makes Jin looks so cool i would play him but i don't have the execution for electrics 4 seasons deep so i'll spare myself the pain :)

@erasedxbl8281

3 жыл бұрын

Just keep practicing and you’ll get it

@TKMacsta

3 жыл бұрын

They aren’t that hard to do

@joshjones9749

3 жыл бұрын

One suggestion not enough people emphasize...try practicing placing the 2 right between the forward and the down. Once you get the pattern down the electric will come out much more deliberately for all mishimas.

@faizi_99

3 жыл бұрын

Electric isn't that hard you just have to time 2 and df. And just practice it you'll eventually get there. Good luck

@zatoichigoemon9548

3 жыл бұрын

It's funny every says it's not that hard but guess what electric out of sidestep or wave dashing or even backdash is pretty hard. They say practice but just know your gonna have to practice a looooong time. Just doing electric from neutral is easy yeah but to really learn how to electric properly is what I assume your talking about.

I hope "Dear x Mains, Please Watch This" becomes a series ^^

@FGirao

3 жыл бұрын

Right, is a good touch of truth on peoples main characters, I would like to hear what he got to say on yoshimitsu

Thank you TMM for that in depth rundown that has now cleared the air for a Jin main like myself

I wanna cry as jin main .I'm proud of him😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 Thanks tmm

Non-Kazuya Character Nerfed: ..... TMM: He has more identity.

@renneschwarzer

3 жыл бұрын

He spouts identity like how "patriotic" Americans spout democracy. What's that? They found oil on mars!? Perhaps those martians will be interested in our democracy! What? Qudans and other Devil Jin fans are having fun with wraith kick again?! We should introduce them to identity!

@waifuhunter9709

3 жыл бұрын

LMAOOOOOO So true

@crazy911wman

3 жыл бұрын

Obviouslt what jin main would say

@tasosanast9298

3 жыл бұрын

He did not like kazuya with the hell sweep buff !! what are you talking about??

@thathottstuff5075

3 жыл бұрын

He’s not wrong though. Jin was too strong. He needed nerfs regardless of how much someone preaches about “identity” or not. Stop being imbeciles and look at the facts. Jin was too strong... I dont know how you Jin sympathizers think... smh

As a Jin main the ff4 nerf actually pushed me to throw electrics out more often in matches

@BecomingYourIdeal

3 жыл бұрын

Electrics and hellsweep is expected in Mishima Jin matchups throwing it out a lot is like opening a book and highlighting a page

@SolidSonicTH

8 ай бұрын

If you're going to use a high to try and gain frame advantage you'd also need something to counter ducking attempts. I would guess f,f+2 or f,f+3 would serve that end (and either CD 3 or see if you can just tag them with the wider hitbox of EWHF if they try to step those moves).

I never thought I'd say this regardless the content of ur video, I like ur English accent, it's very clear and uncomplicated.

Thanks man 👍

I don't care that you say he's really good. A lot of players like me and you have worse results with him than with other characters. I think this is core of the issue. They lowered his power level without changing his entry barrier / skill floor / difficulty, which is pretty high.

@TKMacsta

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, I feel the exact same way

@Go-hs3zr

3 жыл бұрын

thats why there exist all the tekken 8 chars with almost no execution needed

@bartekszczerba671

3 жыл бұрын

People hype him up too much theres a reason he has one of the lowest win rates, hes good but only if your good...

@barracudaboi790

3 жыл бұрын

Jin is not just a character, he is a commitment. You will have to commit to Jin and be serious with him to get wins. He is one character who actually requires reflexes, brother.

I don’t think being versatile is uninteresting, the problem is making him OP at everything instead of making him okay or just good at everything. Honestly, they could’ve actually mad Jin bad, but they didn’t. He’s still viable, there’s nothing to complain about, except maybe ff4. Coming from a Jin main by the way.

@kergod8209

3 жыл бұрын

His ground game sucka

Awesome video Tmm thx a lot. I didn't know he is so strong!

Hey TMM I am desperately BEGGING you to do this exact same video with Steve. There are great videos of him from you and other youtubers like the Complete Breakdown video from Blasted Salami, but I feel like when you do explanations like this the advice sticks better and feels more real and applicable. I am sure you're busy but a video like this with Steve would just be HUGE. Thank you👏

Yea mainman you’re right they tried to give him an identity with his pokes, but in doing so they sacrificed his other identities

@HououinKyouma.

3 жыл бұрын

A jin player thats not complaining?? I cant believe it lmaoo

@theWIIISEguy

3 жыл бұрын

Change can be hard to accept.

I kinda agree. Some mains dont use much move sets he has like his insane demon scissor's range

@tidusalexander6752

3 жыл бұрын

Not gonna lie, that's my favorite move in his kit because of the range🤣

@milosaga5450

3 жыл бұрын

I prefer calling it Doumawashi because that's an actual move

@Alpdude

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, that's good but it has nothing on Bryan's b,b+4, you really need to compare the two lmao. That move is maddeningly cheap used as a round ender because of the ridiculous range/tracking/active hitbox. The moves are pretty much used identically too.

Jin also has one of the best rage drives too, because of the mix up potential

As a Jin main (now a dirty kuni fanboy) my problem was going on autopilot with him. His tracking moves and fast poke strings made me forget movement. It took me few months and after exploring different characters (kaz, hei, ak, alisa, zafina) I went back to Jin and it felt so good with my new view about movement and poking. F4 and standing 4 are just soooo good and now that they buffed 2,1,4 oh my god that is exactly the thing he needed!! Love it! Jin is just so cool! ^^

Handicapped disabled people have ''identity'' since it separates them from normal humans -MainMan Logic

@SuccessfulMentality94

3 жыл бұрын

What a way to completely misconstrue the actually message 😂 Jesus Tekken players are the worst

@JIX9ISLER1986

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuccessfulMentality94 I guess you ''took it personally'' thats fine ....some people can take jokes......mainmans dry cleaning is ready to be picked up....get on your job

@SuccessfulMentality94

3 жыл бұрын

@@JIX9ISLER1986 that’s comedy, I’m the one taking offense lol. I just acknowledged how your comment didn’t follow in line with what was said at all. In other words...the joke was shit. Troll harder bro 😂

A lot of people just can’t seem to understand that character identities are a thing and not everyone wants a jack of all trades character

@aidanakbar1789

3 жыл бұрын

The developers can sometimes slip on character identities too, season 4 bob I’m looking at you

@jR0xas

3 жыл бұрын

The problem is that there are a lot of characters that have everything in this game.

@Jurico_Noes

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah bob is another Mishima at this point as stated by MainManSWE

@SolidSonicTH

3 жыл бұрын

I think Jin worked in Season 3... :/

@PS3INFOGANGv2

3 жыл бұрын

So that's why after Season 2 they decided to nerf Jin in order to mitigate that, only to later add Leroy who was exactly that but x100 and now again with Bob in Season 4.

As a struggling jin player. Thank you for this. I was mainly upset by the nerfs cause it showed how little I know my character. I struggle with movement and reliably electric so I fought so hard to get to juggernaut just to have it dropped and back to struggling to get out of green ranks

@semsinal4383

2 жыл бұрын

Toque em um clipe para colá-lo na caixa de texto.

Jin really is my main been since tekken 3 and I grew from him but I was never a online person until tekken 7 and it showed my limits but every time I watch people ,it teaches me more when I watch your moves it helps me breaks my limits,so thank you

0:48 Of course MainMan likes Jin, he has a tattoo on his arm, he is a badass (cit.)

@edgelord121

3 жыл бұрын

Jeremy lmao

@beemoviejazz317

3 жыл бұрын

Hoodie

Gonna shut down main man's entire opinion on jin rn, I know you don't hate jin but please tell me how this is strong cause I don't see the strong character I use to know, All I see is T5 jin with no mental alertness to atleast give him some sort of actual contrast, In the beginning of T7 there was a character here with versatility, strength and poise and it was very much defined not only in his character but in his game play (If you don't use f4), This "Identity" thing is just a crock of sugarcoated bullshit and if they really want to keep his identity which in reality his identity is supposed to be "Don't fuck with me or I'll end you" has gone to "Ok so I'mma just wait for this punish..." Because you have forgotten one very crucial detail in this plot and it's that jin might have all these things but there are already characters, in the game who do this exact same thing that jin does but better, Hell even Lars can play the waiting game better than jin in season 3 because when he does he makes you pay for it, Suddenly your at the wall and you have to guess, the only stage for sure I know jin can go wall to wall in was the mishima estate AND THAT BITCH SHORT AS HELL, Also "Note the range on WS2 it's 14 frames" Sure meanwhile Kaz's is the same frames, Not only can you literally just throw it out, It rewards you for doing so, Trust me I know, Mixing people up with it is fun. "Oh launching hellsweep" Cute 51 damage meanwhile the devil within over here can wall carry after the damn thing into B21 heavens gate, Know what, I legit dare you to do this, Compare gigas to jin, Cause from what I have seen Gigass he is no longer Gigass he is what is name represents now Giga, Cause people don't believe me when I say this character is dying, There was so much more tech and so much more versatility back then and now alot of that technical identity is gone.

@thehansomedevil9657

3 жыл бұрын

facts bruh but he and most of his followers are bias towards any mishima or half mishima in jin case other than kazuya

Hey, all those Tekken pro out there. Did you have to do anything else to your arcade stick after buying it for it to work good? I just bought the Mad Catz TE+ and the response time suck so bad. I couldn’t even do Katarina’s Down+Triangle ⭕️ ⭕️ ⭕️ . The Circle just won’t connect or won’t execute together. If I spam it 10-15 times real quick, then it does connect about 60% of the time. I can do this consistently on PS4 100% of the time so it’s not all me who does the sucking.

I loved the mood on the counter hit launchers list

"Jin mains are struggling" *Me, a filthy Jin main whos struggling:*

@pekkagenesis4802

3 жыл бұрын

Lol same

@pktreturns4912

3 жыл бұрын

Jin is life!

This is the channel for Tekken Interventions 😂

There are just so many good situational moves in Jin's arsenal like f3, db3, b4, etc. Which excel in different scenarios. f3 is +8 on hit and CH and -3 on block, which I use all the time as a setup for Jin's parry. Db3 is Jin's response to akuma's demon flip as a strong high crush and b4 is a tool for Jin's wall game a and tracks to his weak side. The reason why this is bad in the neutral is because of its knock back.

When tmm writes a Dear John Letter to Jin Main. Its not me, its you.

Mainman : Jin has the Best parry in the game Geese : Hold my predictabo

@ShiniGamiAD

3 жыл бұрын

Having the best parry vs having a broken parry.. lol

@unciervoenciervado

3 жыл бұрын

Hold my dated meme

@coutiya2007

3 жыл бұрын

geese is dependent of low high or mid, with a half circle input in a split reaction timing while jin's covers high and mid with an easy b2+4 though. Just be ease of execution, i think jin's is better than geese's.

@mehgamer467

3 жыл бұрын

@Rheinard you have to look at from ease of use. If you can hit a parry more reliably then that makes it better. If you have a parry thats stronger once it lands, but you can't pull it off as much in game and its not as practical then its really not the best. Especially at higher levels where you do want something thats safer (even if it can't punish everything, but im pretty sure most parrys cant)

@ken7007

3 жыл бұрын

Oh god more jin bias hold up let me just 2,1,3 into meter cancel with jin

You are so bias mailmam. You are always whining to nerf jin and devil jin.

@Adam7180

2 жыл бұрын

I mean they both are really strong.

Jin Kazama is still my main dude in Tekken😁 Still fun to play ever since I started liking him in Tekken 3🤩

Tucks the bottom of his pants into his boots. D- tier fashion that's for certain

Honestly Jin is one of the strongest characters in tekken I've mained him for a while now and the only thing about is that hes hard at first which is actually a good thing because all the Ls ive taken in the past are paying off now I rarely see anyone playing my character as well as I do and that's something I'm proud of

@jokauk4995

3 жыл бұрын

Are u on pc

@meronshamoon76

3 жыл бұрын

@@jokauk4995 yup

@jokauk4995

3 жыл бұрын

@@meronshamoon76 add me joka uk can run some jin mirrors

@meronshamoon76

3 жыл бұрын

Yea sure thing I'll add u when I hop on

@jokauk4995

3 жыл бұрын

@@meronshamoon76 joka_uk bro

i will start using jin since i can customize him as jotaro

@FadedWorld.

3 жыл бұрын

Change some colours and you'll get M. Bison

@Kazuyer_mishimer

3 жыл бұрын

@@FadedWorld. skinny m bison

@wardogthreeisanidiot6561

3 жыл бұрын

Yare yare daze

@LeoxSevered

3 жыл бұрын

@@wardogthreeisanidiot6561 weebs, the lot o ya

@joejo6969

3 жыл бұрын

I customize Lee, Kazuya and a lot others as the GOAT Kira Yoshikage

I HOPE YOU ARE ALSO DOING AWESOME MAINMAN!!! 🥊💀❤️

How do you connect after the electric off the 4 counter but combo is it a timing issue?

Does anyone know how to Do the standing 4 combo consistently? I drop the combo often, because of inconsistencies.

@Johnnnnie

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah i drop it too, it's really inconsistent but we're just crybabies that cry for everything. Also just accept the fact that you are going to drop it sometimes and move on imo

@lebomokutu1898

3 жыл бұрын

just do wing hook fist after standing 4 (counter hit i assume) and then do his old school b3 combo first delayed to zen 1 then do zen12 on the second one

@stealiestag4204

2 жыл бұрын

Try to do a crouch dash and do a 4 at the very end of the crouch dash and it will register as a ws4

"Enormously strong". Are people really ready to abandon ship because of a few nerfs? I thought he was designed to be Jack of trades/master of none? What exactly makes him so unplayable now? Good video MainMan. Yeah hes not easy, but dedication can be rewarding with him.

@EnragedOxygen

3 жыл бұрын

It always happens. In lol, champion getting a microscopic nerf is enough to drop playrate by a few percent.

@pro178

3 жыл бұрын

Yes but now every character is a jack of all trades except they also have gimmicks with an easier and more rewarding playstyle.

@HouseMusicNinja

3 жыл бұрын

@@pro178 ah so you're saying Jin is bare bones because hes got no glaring strengths to compensate against someone who specializes? His parry is nice tho.

@chinogambino9375

3 жыл бұрын

@@EnragedOxygen Champion of what? I can't remember anyone taking him to a finals.

@lonewander6772

3 жыл бұрын

@@pro178 You gonna say a Hwo or Lei is jack of all trade? Many characters rely heavily on their gimmicks and we all know that locks them down to a certain playstyle. Sure Jin doesn't excel at any certain playstyle, but having the ability to cover all bases means you can always adapt. Sure adapting can be complicated due to roster size and learning the habits of your opponents, but he's the perfect character to do that with. He's only difficult because he isn't a flowchart character.

How does Jin compare with Kazuya in season 4 in your opinion? To me Kazuya seems to be at least equal now but i am not experienced enough with the Mishimas, would be curious to hear from Kazuya and Jin mains.

*Jin misses parry* Jin: Oh no anyway

Jeremy isn’t going to be very happy with you xD

*OH NOOO NOO NOOO JIN GOT NERFED* **picks my nose**

@sasori_8_205

3 жыл бұрын

Jin 😭😭😭

@wibble6966

3 жыл бұрын

@@sasori_8_205 oh hi xiaoyu

@sasori_8_205

3 жыл бұрын

Kunimitsu hey 😁 I hear Xiaoyu 😳😳😳😳 my heart 🥰

@jordanebo9208

3 жыл бұрын

Literally what I just did are you watching me?

@wibble6966

3 жыл бұрын

@@sasori_8_205 what about it

Is d+4 still - on normal hit lol, ill never understand that.I agree w everything. I really like jin, but his learning curve is high

@abirneji

3 жыл бұрын

d4 being - on hit is not that extraordinary dude

Thanks for the insight Daddy swe. I do agree he is still strong and its a bit sad about his "weaknesses". Unfortunately, his ws 2 can't reach for law's dragon tail, all of eddie's and lei's high crushing sweeps, so you need to cancel into d 3+4 or electric, so its honestly something that i like, not always braindead ws2 against these guys.

You repeatedly guarantee 100% that jin is horrendously OP even though there's nothing I've seen in all the tekken I've watched that suggests that is the case, even though he's stupidly hard to play. I can't get past red even though im in blues with other characters. You just keep talking about how good he is until there's nothing left. Yeah, he has a great parry - that's almost impossible to confidently utilise against similarly skilled players without getting baited and launched. You literally stated that the frame trap that every mishima shares SHOULD be taken away because it makes him more unique?? Almost every single good move hes had (that also makes him unique) has gotten nerfed except his electric. I just don't get it, I normally completely agree with your opinion on other characters. Kazuya and dj keep getting buffed but that's completely fine? If i could see one convincing video of him dominating a good player playing a good character in a high placement tournament I'd happily stop whining

@u12blue

3 жыл бұрын

This though. Makes Jin unique he says

@thathottstuff5075

3 жыл бұрын

He literally said that the DJ buff was questionable. And plus, if every character dominated tournaments, the game would be in a wayy worse place than it is now. Jin is fine, maybe even still op. You never see Xiaoyu players complain. You never see gigas players complain that their character doesn’t “dominate” tournaments. Please calm down. Jin does perfectly fine in almost every level of play. Stop complaining and be grateful.

@christopherjones7023

3 жыл бұрын

Look, Jin is, canonically, a Kyokushin karate character. Each of his moves has a purpose. his forward four is a traditional mid-hitting front-kick. it is meant to interrupt, to create space, and to build your own momentum while halting your opponent's, while keeping them at a distance. His neutral 2 is more of a "foot stop"...a quicker but less powerful version meant more for interrupts. the corpse thrust (down 1) is a favorite of mine for knocking a target down when they are approaching from long range. Check out ThatBlastedSalami's channel for a great Jin guide. I studied the crap outta that when just getting started with Jin and went from only being able to do really simple combos (think hop kick or cancan to kazama turning kick or 1-2-3/1-2-4/2-1-4 simple) to his bread-and-butter (which is MUCH more complex) being my, well, bread and butter, and will likely study more. I can now cancel from cds/zen into a demon-paw or forward forward four with or without backstepping no prob, or into a LLRK, wind hook fist (working on electric from all directions), or "wind uppercut" (and go from that launcher into the bread and butter) and am still growing beyond that. Offline I am I believe at or past Tekken Emperor. Online...2nd or 3rd dan, I think (Treasure battle is my thing, but yes I absolutely have success with Jin there), with a surprisingly decent record all things considered. All this as just an OK player at best. So, does that help? If I being no pro at all can main Jin and make you think before approaching me, then surely someone with skill can main him. And guess what? They do. Book is one of the best Tekken 7 players out there and uses Jin. Same with CherryBerryMango and a handful of others.

@BDDterror

3 жыл бұрын

@@thathottstuff5075 but that is not true Jin don't do fine as he told u in this video he has one of the worst win rates and nobody is saying gigas is op but they say Jin is all the time what other character do people say is top tier who has a bad win rate and has won almost nothing he brings up geese and akuma but they was domain and in top 8 every tournament so not the same

@BDDterror

3 жыл бұрын

@@christopherjones7023 I agree but look what they be doing compered to what Kazumi geese akuma or doing how are they not in top 8 more than alisa or eddy player's he is a way better character right he is op top tier right

I'm glad MainMan was one of the recipients of early S4. Quality content as always.

@GORO911

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think anyone would mind someone like TMM getting it earlier. We just think people like TBS and few other content creators should have got it too.

@freedustin

3 жыл бұрын

he didn't even do anything with it but ok. he put out videos 1 whole day before release, and they just went over the selling points that we already knew.

@rachelhernandez388

3 жыл бұрын

There are some butt hurt about it

@bronbhai9784

3 жыл бұрын

@@freedustin umm he literally showed you all the new moves for every character

@freedustin

3 жыл бұрын

@@bronbhai9784 no. he didn't.

Jin is still a bad ass and still an awesomely strong fight. Love using him.

I will still miss his awesome CH4 animation

Alright, I’m watching.

Why is it that only you (TMM) complains about Jin every season? He's too good, I'm glad they nerfed him because it helps his "identity". I don't hear KingJae, LilMajin, K-Wiss, Rip, CBM, or countless other pros better than "You" that say anything about his moveset; every single season. It's only you man. Why is that?

@CoDM04BFreaK

3 жыл бұрын

Ive never heard any of these pros complain that jin is too op lol

Nice video tmm. Jin is still strong like you say, of course we would like to keep all our tools as most of the people are strongly attached to their characters (all the grinding and those frustrating losses ). But this is part of the game and solely done by the devs . We should not be pointing fingers at the main man for these things

i think he also have a punch parry that you forgot to mention which idk the exact input for it, but i think you time it with the opponent's punch and you press df 1+2, which could be really effective especially against someone like steve

I don't get.. he was super all round.. isn't that one of the best identities of a Fighting Game Poster character?

Mainmanswe - "I like jin now, he has more identity!!".....* Goes back to playing 50/50 God kazuya and gimme your life bar geese howard full time".

@BEER-OTFG

3 жыл бұрын

so ? guess what jin still has strengths that make him also a „god“ its just that now its more precise on your movie choice either use the move that should be used or get hit

@deanbrooks7297

3 жыл бұрын

@@BEER-OTFG the point is that he is covering a character that he really could care less about because his characters are still top 5 dead or alive and he will continue to win with all of his character traits intact even if they have less "identity" than jin or other characters.

@deanbrooks7297

3 жыл бұрын

@@BEER-OTFG also I wish tekken was about using the correct move at the right moment however we have to deal with frames and hotboxes that are inconsistent to say the least, only virtual fighter can hold that title.

@BEER-OTFG

3 жыл бұрын

@@deanbrooks7297 top 5 ? kazuya is by no means a top 5 option sure he now is definitely in the top 10 but come on and guess what ? he still has his identity and has big flaws geese also became a lot worse just look at the changes yourself and you will see that its quite drastic and it was to be expected anyways all characters that were at the top in s3 got nerfed someone like jin was pretty predictable to be worse since he still had oki tools like ff4 that were huge on block which didn‘t make sense since that character never had god oki in tekken 7

@BEER-OTFG

3 жыл бұрын

@@deanbrooks7297 unfortunately that is true for tekken due to certain characters having smaller/larger hitboxes however that should never be the point of not doing the best option or being careful and precise with your choice of moves

Please turn on input indication for newer players. I main Jin as a casual player and really didn't get a half of what you showed. Thanks a lot for the video anyway.

Jin was my first character that I choose since tekken 3 and I still use him. He always my main. Yeah it's hard to know how to play with Jin but the more you practice the more you get better.

Youre the reason Jin is gettiing these nerfs.

@nope1959

3 жыл бұрын

lmfao stop crying.

Firstly, by no means is Jin weak, even in Season 4. The nerfs he got in S3 were fair, and brought him down a notch from being slightly over the top in S2. However i'm genuinely curious as to what the logical justification was to nerf him again. Jin is not an underachiever in a general sense, but if you take a look at things objectively, and narrow things down specifically to the top tier characters in the game; he is arguably the BIGGEST underachiever in terms of both usage and performance in Competitive play, as well as statistically having the second worst win rate in Online play. Perhaps what perplexes me most is that within the top tier bracket, we have characters like Steve, Paul, Zafina, Julia and even Akuma that did not appear to get hit as hard as Jin did in S4, despite them clearly being the most dominant characters in Season 3, which begs the question as to what really was the need to further nerf Jin again? I believe if he stayed exactly the same as he was in S3, he would have still been balanced and fair in Season 4. Even though Jin is the the most well rounded character next to Leroy, the difference is Jin takes effort and a high degree of fundamentals to utilize to his max potential, especially his Parry. Whereas Leroy as we've all seen, takes next to none and that's why there were 7 of him in a Grand Final.

@Neogears1312

3 жыл бұрын

If gigas had an exploit that let him kill you off of just his jab it would still be too strong even on a bottom tier. Jin had options that were to strong. There’s nothing else to it. Pick rates are the worst thing to ever use as evidence. They’re just supplemental material for existing evidence.

@sadracdesert

3 жыл бұрын

Your the first persons opinion, I agree completely about Jins nerfs in season 4.. I agree season 3 jins nerfs were fair and just.. that back/down 4 counter hit launcher was mad ridiculous, and needed to be nerfed AND THATS ITT!! Sheesh like, Jin is already a hard character to master.. I played him three years straight and I just got to red ranks with him.. and then harada had to take my suzaku away 😭😭.. Nevertheless, I agree a season 3 jin moving into season 4 untouched.. Would have been a well rounded jin and balanced.. If I’m wrong then why didn’t devil jin get nerfed as heavy.. that’s all I have to say..

@PS3INFOGANGv2

3 жыл бұрын

@@Neogears1312 I can assure you Gigas would not be considered bottom tier if he had such a thing lol. So, what metrics are they using exactly to determine whether a character is too weak or strong then? I'm pretty sure that one of the biggest reasons Leroy got nerfed was due to the fact he was literally being picked by everyone and also winning every tournament when he released due to how broken he was. Jin was similar to that back in Tekken 4, but not even remotely close to that in Tekken 7. So what else? Community opinion? In Season 3, Jin was hardly complained about or even considered a problem compared to the likes of Akuma, Geese, Leroy, Fahk, Steve, Paul, Zafina, Julia etc. It doesn't add up, i'm genuinely curious as to the logic behind their decisions here. Akuma has been one of the most complained about characters since Season 2, yet he is still able to do everything in Season 4 that the community have been complaining about and will continue to do so.

@hasnoku

3 жыл бұрын

@@Neogears1312 Gigas is an extremely strong character when it comes to profiting off of hard reads and T7's new rage mechanic, but you're hypothetical is completely out of left-field. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. What option did Jin have that was "too strong" that was effectively addressed by the nerfs?

@goldenHashbrown

3 жыл бұрын

Beautifully said

Even though my Xbox is destroyed, I really appreciate you making this video, MainManSWE. Thanks for doing an analysis on my Favorite Tekken Character.

I love this jin a kyokushin mishima style, i love it better than the irreal devil bored jin

If I can point out another interesting Jin weakness: he is lacking in the high crush department

@samuelemasci7620

3 жыл бұрын

jin main here, i watch your vids and they are great :) i think his B1 stance does a decent job in crushing highs. even gives you a 80+ damage combo with 1+2 if you manage to get a good read on your opponent's high. B1 might not be a perfect crushing tool but i don't think jin should have much built in crushing in his moves, it'd go against his identity

@moviewhichuwant938

3 жыл бұрын

Nice man

@Nawrly17

3 жыл бұрын

Well, d4 has pretty good jab crushing. Between that and b1 that's plenty.

@spiritualopportunism4585

3 жыл бұрын

Doesn't uf2 also crush high?

@zackong2800

3 жыл бұрын

Db3 high crushes too

As a Jin Main from Tekken 4, I'm just as happy with the nerfs he well deserved. While he is the most difficult, I find the challenge of playing him very fun and he's even more fun learning S4. Hope you stay safe MainMan and appreciated the video cause I saw others losing their cool about the nerfs. A well needed video. Edit: I totally agree with the whole "identity" aspect. I feel like I am playing a different, Mishima-Style character. And it's the main reason why I play him instead of Devil Jin in my opinion

@atn9872

3 жыл бұрын

he is not the most difficult lol

@misterbadd3661

3 жыл бұрын

That definitely goes to akuma

@soulstrendingmusic7531

3 жыл бұрын

This guys a simp bru

@SilverEye_7

3 жыл бұрын

@@soulstrendingmusic7531 You used that term so incorrectly.

@atn9872

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah people keep talking about "challenge" in terms of character's choice. As a Lee main i don't even think about it. I think he is just cool. Stop saying this "He is so hard to play , i truly deserve it when i win ; i love the chalenge" bullshit. That's just a fucking low ranks quote.

Nice opening swe❤️

My main problem is the magic4 adjustment they made. I miss the stun effect, It was so satisfying to see :(.

Nina, Julia, now Jin. This guy is trying to piss off everyone in Tekken.

Yeah Jin is really strong but you need to be creative and use all of his moveset if you want to win. I would argue Kazuya is easier to play with because he's a simple but highly execution heavy character. You can win with him just by doing a few moves. It's because of the 50 50 he has. Jin has it too but his hellsweep is much slower.

@justaotter2085

3 жыл бұрын

Same with devil jin

@Johnnnnie

3 жыл бұрын

Also you can just stay on the floor and Jin can't do shit

@justaotter2085

3 жыл бұрын

@@Johnnnnie 3+4 , ws 3+4 , f4 are some of options

@Johnnnnie

3 жыл бұрын

@@justaotter2085 3+4 is a shitty high power crush, if you're talking about 4~3 it can be evaded so easily and you're on the ground and the other is standing. WS3 doesn't hit grounded, F4 doesn't hit grounded. None of them are viable.

@StardustCrusader18

3 жыл бұрын

@@Johnnnnie Best option is just do a d2. Does decent damage.

The doublethink is strong with this one

I've been on and off this game... I don't play enough to worry about nerfs, but I did notice a decrease in Jin's range... It changed my combo game a bit.

Whats up with jins parry being called god tier? On paper his moves seem good, hell then Yoshi's flash 6 frame launcher would make yoshi ss+ tier then. I don't see people complaining about jins parry being op but everyone cries about leroy's parry, because application is easier with that then with jins parry. You can't use jins parry as a panic tool and only use it if you have a super god tier read on your opponent.

@pekkagenesis4802

3 жыл бұрын

Uh, not really. As long as you don’t do a seriously bad whiff with it, you’ll be fine. Also, I hope you’re joking about a six frame launcher.

@shashankrai5808

3 жыл бұрын

@@pekkagenesis4802 yoshis normal flash is a 6 frames launcher on normal hit, does that make him ss+ tier? no because its application is hard to do so, just like jins supposedly god like move called parry.

Dear TMM, now Jin has no mid frame advantege. Now this is a truly unique character.

@walterbarros1854

3 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna leve jin for a while

@kain1144

3 жыл бұрын

Why would he have that??

I like that Jin hands are a little bit stubby and some of his best offense is risky on whiff

Why is complicated wire better than the standard 1+3 throw?

I think that jin is all right were he is now(note im a jin main)

Tmm plz react to tendo xi's new videos 😁

@persondavis1294

3 жыл бұрын

THIS IS GLORIOUS TEKKEN FAM, GLORIOUS TEKKEN!!!

@GrownManPat

3 жыл бұрын

"ARE YOU DUMB?!"

I started playing more kazuya lately since I’ve been playing jin like a mishima way too much. I need to reframe how I approach playing Jin.

You might not hate Jin TMM but I do. But it's nice to get some information on what the character can do.

I forget who it was that coined the saying "Good players are great at utilizing their character's strengths. Bad players are great at finding all the good tools their character is missing" but it definitely holds true here

@vidalzazueta4678

3 жыл бұрын

Literally like that with Jin mains. They were all upset when db4 and standing 4 lost their CH properties even though he was only one to do that when every other character had the same moves.

Strengths make a character appealing, weaknesses make a character interesting! Leroy, strong but few weaknesses -> Boring

@grass5697

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you but he ain't boring he is..... D I S G U S T I N G

To me Jin is a hybrid poking/pressure character. He has moves that serve both ends effectively. I think his weakness is he can get bullied (he doesn’t have a hit confirmable jab knockdown like a Mishima and doesn’t have a ton of things that work great as keep-out moves) and needs space to set up shenanigans.

The new combo off CH 4 doesn’t work consistently. On most males it’s fairly consistent but small-bodied characters it tends to whiff on the second b+3. I think it has to do with the small axis shift when it hits (he is slightly to the left after it recovers).

Jin mains are so used to being pampered like the favorite child even the smallest knockdown is a world ender for them

@mariorodriguez9201

3 жыл бұрын

Man have you heard of Tekken 4 and 5 ? 🤣

Lol, he hates Jin (period)

@FullAdDariusBR

Жыл бұрын

I know you was being sarcastic, but for those who really thinks this is to hate Jin, they really can't listen to me, a person who REALLY hates Jin.

Bro jin still good. Hits like a truck. Also, very hard to play with

I'm a Jin main and I never thought mainman was fair doing his breakdowns but what do I know I'm mostly play casually for fun