Hello! I'm back from a little break. Had to focus on other things for a while :) - Sorry for the microphone quality on some of the upcoming videos! I have switched to a new one and I'm still adjusting the audio filters. This is getting better everyday and should be sorted within a week or so. Thank you for your patience and I hope you enjoy the content! Have a great day /TMM

@IAMOP

Жыл бұрын

Hello

@djw_tekken8490

Жыл бұрын

0 dislikes yet masku

@djw_tekken8490

Жыл бұрын

@@IAMOP hi there op dude im op aswell

@DRheisenberg6000

Жыл бұрын

WE NEED THE NEW TIER LIST😮❤

@kato093

Жыл бұрын

Oh no....lee isn't actually top 5 and one of the strongest!? Who would have thought.. 😒 It's crazy that you play the game SO fkn MUCH but you STILL have such STUPID hot takes. And FOR YEARS. And your little army of fanboys parroting your words like it's gospel was the worst

We all know marduk is the strongest mishima

@ScrambledEggAbdullah

Жыл бұрын

Cause you play Bob? Don't try to undermine your main we all know how broken of a mishima Bob is😂

@Thiccbuu

Жыл бұрын

LOL

@CosmicVoid420

Жыл бұрын

thats a weird way to spell hwoarang

@vista1456786

Жыл бұрын

And Bob is 2nd

@olah547

Жыл бұрын

@@CosmicVoid420 how many hwoarangs you seen in top 8 compared to t6 bob?

"most of you will do this" *drops combo immediately* You know us so well

@banirabean1067

Жыл бұрын

wheres the time stamp LMAO

@banirabean1067

Жыл бұрын

nvm found it 13:28

@lilbeastnb7698

Жыл бұрын

"If I'm an execution god I'll do this" Does the combo There is so much gap

@killerkrok55

Жыл бұрын

Damn right to my heart..... your aim was true

Heihachi is the Gigachad of Tekken. His balance can go up and down but his coolness is uncontested at #1.

@Section8dc

Жыл бұрын

Bro facts, the most Chad of the mishimas

@sails3414

Жыл бұрын

@@Section8dc watch him return for Tekken 8 LMAO

@thelonesomewanderer8359

Жыл бұрын

which is why i've been maining heihachi since tekken 3 🤗 im hopeful he'll return for 8 in some shape or form.

@MB16241

Жыл бұрын

Genyaah, Haiyeaah, hashii

@demitidodoitau4273

6 ай бұрын

​@@sails3414 :(

Yeah, the fact that heihachi has the rule “never duck against this guy” built into his game plan, it makes his “bad” lows so much stronger, simply because the chances of them connecting are much greater due to his special rule. His character design is genius. And also TMM, it takes a big man to rectify a mistake they made. Well done brother 🤘🖤

@draftfgc

Жыл бұрын

his db2 is reactable

@The_Buff_Guy

Жыл бұрын

@@draftfgc so don’t use db2. Also you have to be a god at reading your opponent to block it vs someone who is coming at you with a storm of mids, keeping you in check, only to throw out a random, well placed db2. I’ve seen plenty of pro players eat that move when it’s used sparingly. And for everyone else who doesn’t have god like reactions, that’s a very good low.

@draftfgc

Жыл бұрын

@@The_Buff_Guy You really dont need to be a god at reading or even super godlike reactions to block db2 its 23 frames and has a very specific sound cue you can train to block it most times and the rest of his lows are all launch punishable

@The_Buff_Guy

Жыл бұрын

@@draftfgc you can train to block anything on reaction above 21 frames. It doesn’t mean it’s easy in a heated battle with even the slightest bit of lag present. Or when you’re under pressure in a tournament setting. I have average reaction skills, I compete and do well in local tournaments, I have several TGPs, and I can rarely block it on reaction.

@draftfgc

Жыл бұрын

@@The_Buff_Guy there is a difference between blocking 21 frames and 23 consistently. 21 isnt viable unless on a high end very low lag pc setup offline.

I've been learning heihachi as a secondary. It's very fun as he is the King of iron mids

Yeah heihachi's gameplan seemed so well developed. He imposes his will on the game, the other Mishimas have to play around their opponent more. That's not the only thing he has, but in a scrappy system like t7 safety and homing is so powerful.

@kennyg.6608

Жыл бұрын

Tekken 3 and 4 hei is so relentless and powerful in the right hands

@foreveruseless1292

Жыл бұрын

Heihachi must have conquerer's haki fr

@somersaultinggiraffe1901

2 ай бұрын

​@@foreveruseless1292 Heihachi casually soloing One Piece

Love the videos been playing Tekken 7 for maybe a little over 20 weeks and you have helped me a lot can't wait until your next video. !!S Tier content!!

Heihachi is the Mishima I do the best with. Always felt so free playing him and felt he was super underrated.

@jasperjasper498

Жыл бұрын

Most badass character imo

@PatrykG59

Жыл бұрын

yeah same, i was juggernaut with heihachi cuz i go demoted long time ago and never played him again since then and tried him recently and went from juggernaut to byakko in 1 day

@konnerkillsback7876

Жыл бұрын

Heihachi is my main and I agree, his bulldog play style resonates quite a bit with me

@joshjones9749

Жыл бұрын

There's even two moves TMM didn't mention that I think don't get enough credit. Up forward 3 4 and sidestep 2 1. Uf3 4's risk vs reward is great for its relative safeness while giving a combo and crushing properties. SS 2 1 can catch anybody by surprise and be an effective punish off the sidestep...which also leads to a combo. Love those moves.

@kennyg.6608

Жыл бұрын

Tekken 3 and 4 hei is prime to me

When you start learning heihachi and tmm uploads a video about him. Now I'm motivated!

I've been screaming about this for some time on this channel. This is what I like about TMM, he is not afraid to admit when he is wrong. Kazuya is easily harder to play than heihachi in the latest update, and this video sums it up pretty well. Hell, my flatmate plays heihachi on pad and is near tekken god prime, he doesn't barely even use electrics. I see the argument that people want electric nerfed again like in T6. (where the mishimas where also bad) But at this point with kazuya he basically would be a nutured character. His jab sucks, almost everything is unsafe, no real get off me panic moves, pathetic range, and his key moves get blown up by fast attacks and sidestepping. One blocked hellsweep you die. Axe kick is pretty fuzzy guardable too. Maybe there's an argument for toning down the electric for other mishimas, but that's almost all kazuya has in his favour. There also has to be some sort of reward for "difficult" execution other wise every move might as well be direction + button. So it needs to be strong. There is a reason why Namco targeted Kazuya for buffs in the later seasons, hence the homing hell sweep fiasco. Unfortunately they just appear to have no idea how to actually do it... Lets hope they watch this video because I think it's a decent breakdown.

This was a great watch. Love hearing that someone as experienced as you has leveled up their understanding of the game even further, and I agree completely with your assessment of the mishimas and the general gameplay style of T7

I love your videos so much. Keep up the great work with that magnificent information you always give us. 👍

Perhaps Mainmanswe lost to a godlike heihachi

I see Mainman has been losing to good Heihachi players lol

No panic attack, bad frames on block, and no parries equal problems for the player. I always thought Kazuya was hard to use so thank u for confirming my suspicion.

@MartinRodriguez10114

Жыл бұрын

Long start up frames too

@dejuanharris5012

Жыл бұрын

​@otdreamer193 try fighting a good kunin. You can't even start your 50/50. But all the while you have to block and guess the whole round. Oh but remember he's too slow to get anything going.

@NYG5

Жыл бұрын

@otdreamer193 Kuni was my exclusive teammate with Kazuya in Tag 2. She offered a lot more poking options, without tons of brainless spam movesand panic moves. She even had a sort of wavedash mixup with SET mixups, with high execution you could cancel into low sweeps. Plus she had no netsu penalty. But anyways, with Kazuya it's like you have to startoff against your opponent with hellsweep spam to force them to respect it for the rest of the games. Otherwise, Kazuya has such slow moves with shit reach that there's nothing scary about him.

@bingsheling5948

Жыл бұрын

@@dejuanharris5012 You're doing something wrong if you're letting her 50/50 on block. Most of her 50/50's are locked behind stances. The most she can do from standing is a great poking game due to her movement. You can just flash punch/mid poke her out of stance transition on block. Just watch out for her SET transition to FC. Mainly back dash away from her and crouch guard when she's in FC, her launcher doesn't reach as far as her FC sweep. Hell sweep is a better 50/50 in terms of accessibility from standing.

@Cezkarma

Жыл бұрын

What....? 112 and dick jab are good panic attacks, the former also giving absurd reward at the wall. And besides, how does "no panic attacks" make a character bad? So Bryan is a bad character too? And "bad frames on block"???? 😂 Homie what? Are you sure you know which character you're talking about?

Omg I'll never use auto subtitles again... Devil Jin=Double chin

Heihachi is the King of Mids for a reason.

New enlightened knowledge tier list when?

I do appreciate that you take the time to reflect on your old opinions and think critically about them. I may not entirely agree with all of them, but kudos to you or anyone else who is willing to absorb more information and use it to grow as a person and/or a player.

always loved heihachi for those reasons. glad i chose him as my first main as he really thought me the fundamentals of tekken real quick

"OMG devil jin is so OP wtf namco?" *nerfs DevilJin* "OMG devil jin is so weak wtf Namco?"

I’m so high this is literally like art in a way

@anthonychase6906

Жыл бұрын

Tekken is a work of art

Great title! It pulled me in instantly.

Really glad we’re past the phase of people downplaying the nerfs DVJ received. They obliterated the character.

@bluegrave4376

Жыл бұрын

Really feel like they should've either taken away just his wall damage or uf 4. Taking both really killed any reason to play the character competitively

@zachary3879

Жыл бұрын

@@bluegrave4376 Devil Jin is now hell sweep, demon paw or iws2 the character, it feels really bad. He can poke, but honestly everything he does I feel Jin does better

@YourMasta

Жыл бұрын

@@zachary3879 I can’t help but laugh at anyone that thinks devil Jin has good pokes.

@TheUnique69able

Жыл бұрын

@@YourMasta they’re morons. Poking means that attacks on block are slightly negative. All of devil jins mids are -8 or more on block. Trash character even before the last nerf.

@TheUnique69able

Жыл бұрын

@@zachary3879 devil Jin has terrible pokes and bad movement

After getting DJ killed TMMSWE comes forth with his actual plan. Make Kazuya strongest Again.

I love Heihachi! His combos are hard to do, so people gotta work a bit on the execution, but it is so fun to play and he's simply badass!

kazuya's jab is arguably the most frustrating about playing him -- there's VARIOUS attacks i try to use it to punish, but it will whiff while my SLOWER attack manages to correctly punish the attack. it happens a lot when trying to punish Noctis's down forward(?) 2... drives me crazy when i lose because of that issue

*And right after this video Arsenalty demolishes MainMan’s Hei with Jin*

This guys appreciation and enthusiasm for tekken is really cool to see. I didnt even like tekken before is started watching these vids. now its all i play

Thank you for telling the truth about Devil Jin

@SuntoryKick

Жыл бұрын

Finally lol

@rajazel

Жыл бұрын

all his yellow rank kaz d riders were riding that stupid downplay opinion heavily.

Lucky Chloe is a Mishima

@vaspix008

Жыл бұрын

Lucky Chloe is the mishima of all time

@BeretBay

Жыл бұрын

@@vaspix008 Truly, the Mishima of time

@ibrahimDagoat786

Жыл бұрын

@@BeretBay Truly, the of time

@vianniblaze

Жыл бұрын

@@ibrahimDagoat786 Truly, time

@stonewolfe2057

Жыл бұрын

@@vianniblaze truly,

Really respect that you’re able to change your opinion and clarify any misconceptions you had

loving this more open-minded TMM

Growth. I love it old man

18:03 that's a herculean inhale right there 😂

Kazuya is just way too much work. I don't play ranked that often but it was so hard to get even the warrior rank. I've started playing zafina and i reached yellow ranks in no time

@witchyhyena3823

Жыл бұрын

Lmao ikr , used to play alisa , breezed through the green ranks , then i played eliza , also a breeze , then i play heihachi and i hate my life cant even properly play green ranks without being demoted over and over

hei main here. been saying ALL this since the jab buff. feels good man. you forgot to mention another reason why hei is the best. hei has the best movement out of the mishimas as well. his sidestep is better and it compliments his fundy heavy playstyle very well.

@Tundric_Schwolf

Жыл бұрын

late but 100% agree

@makeomengreatagain

Жыл бұрын

Jin is better idk why he didn't mention him as the strongest mishima

@daro375

Жыл бұрын

​​@@makeomengreatagain because eventhogh he's the son of kazuya. He's not considerd a mishima. Yeah he has the wavedash and cd moves but also does Bob. He doesn't have the 112 flashpunch, tsunami kicks, ewgf that makes a character a mishima. You can argue that kazumi has the 112 and tsunami kicks but lacks in the wavedash, ewgf department. Also he mentioned Jin at the end of the video as a "sub-mishima". If he's concidered one, apart of his range problems he has everything a character needs, making him the best out of the 4

No wonder. I was a Hwoarang main and it took me a few hundred wins to get to Vindicator. With Heihachi however it took me around just 70 wins, and I had more fun playing Hei than Hwoa xD

The iron grandpa been slept on 😅

Huge W on that Heihachi take. Hopefully more people understand now

@masajmahdiq2472

Жыл бұрын

Learn to block instead of Jumping

@coutiya2007

Жыл бұрын

@@masajmahdiq2472 dude. ....lol 🤣🤣

@via_negativa6183

Жыл бұрын

Finally...

@TheLifeLaVita

10 ай бұрын

@@masajmahdiq2472block against heihachi means 50/50 shitfest that trades half your hp if you lose into 50 damage if you win

“Kazuya might fall out of the top 20.” That is heartbreaking to hear.

@tonson5214

Жыл бұрын

Maybe cuz it's bullshit

@lil_sway6967

Жыл бұрын

Am glad to hear that ngl

@dfddsfer4tv4g4b

Жыл бұрын

Good, maybe it'l land on right ears and he'll get better frames sometime in 8

@BullC6

Жыл бұрын

Even top 25 in this game is A tier. I would say that at least 30 characters are A tier or above now. Matchups matter a lot now and kazuya still has good matchup and hei still has bad matchups.

@TheMidian46

Жыл бұрын

he was never top20

okay i'm happy i need to reconsider machimas, thx main man

The strongest Mishima is obviously Season 3 Leroy stronger than the Devil Gene itself.

YAY NEW TEIRLIST!!!

THANK YOU!!!!

Funny how I started playi Heihachi about a week ago, he’s my second favorite to play, after Jin

To be fair I love Kazuya, he is my main, but I always knew he needed big buffs. Many characters have broken stuff, but not him. He can't poke, his punishment are inconsistent, he is incredibly weak to SSL, he has range issue, the nerf of movement is real problem for him and his execution is too demanding.

As a DJ main, it hurts to see ma boi get his wings clipped this hard :'( They could've at least kept the b2,1 and remove uf4.

@tigrisrgn4062

Жыл бұрын

no, for me they just had to make his hellsweep not launching, and remove up+4 evasive properties and make it launch punishable, just those 2 moves thats all, let him have all the rest, he is trash now

@EdgyDabs47

Жыл бұрын

Wrong. DVJ needs a viable mid much more than that stupid wall combo. Fuck b21, glad they nerfed it. Just give DVJ a mid which gives good oki and he is perfect.

Kazuya is my favorite character story wise and my 2nd favorite to play, but I’ve always ranked him in the lowest 5 characters to play. I’m only a fujin so I know I don’t have the knowledge of a high level player but still I can’t think of many characters harder to play with the facts that his execution is soo ridiculously difficult and he is sooo horribly punishable and simple.

@NYG5

Жыл бұрын

He's the only character I play and he just sucks lmao. You have to work so hard for anything.

@stevenstodd16

Жыл бұрын

@@NYG5 at pretty much any level of play it’s hard work unless your an absolute prodigy lol 😂

@NYG5

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenstodd16 yes but some have to work way harder than others lmao

@crack4184

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenstodd16 Say that to Marduk mains

Crazy how my own opinion also just changed.

THANK YOU. I recently picked up Lee (Law main), and I'm having a lot of fun and I like the challenge it brings. Whenever I encounter a decent Heiachi though, if I am not veery careful all the time I get absolutely MAULED by the dude. And I kept thinkin WTF is he actually trash tier & the weakest mishima? But Mainmanusu desu ka? Soo yea. Thanks for letting me keep my sanity a little longer

You forget the devil kazuya

Looking forward to the 30 minutes Nina breakdown video :)

Starting to watch more of your videos; I would watch the occasional vid here and there but I want to take my Heihachi / understanding of mishimas to the next level so... yah, i'm ready to listen to some more of your insight, and how much I agree or disagree with it haha. But I Respect your passion for the game and your favorite characters. I think Heihachi isn't as low risk and high reward as you put it, the claim that he can rely well on his mids and not his lows is valid but easier said than done. I think he's pretty slow as a character, and a lot of my attempts to start pressure get jabbed or evaded out frequently. Just one of a couple opinions I've had so far. I'm open to advice or disagreements.

As someone who switched to heihachi not too long it starting to make sense now

@themainmanswe hope you read this, in my opinion, Kazuya don't have much attacks because it's a defensive character, if you look closer every kazuya move its a punish, including PEWGF, its a reaction character, for using it properly you have to defend knowing the oponent attacks, its quite difficult knowing every character moves are above 100. this will sound weird, but kazuya its more effective and lethal if you dont use combos, you can get always better position for the entire round if you start defending.

@via_negativa6183

Жыл бұрын

This is why he is the hardest character to play in the game. In a game where block punish is not as important as it should be. I dont know about the not using combos thing though if you are doing the right combos you can easily reset into that defensive position.

@carlosv8606

Жыл бұрын

@@via_negativa6183 That's what i mean with the combos, not using the usual combos, there's a lot of mixes and combinations i never saw nobody uses, and gives tremendous advantages, bassically not allowing the oponent fully recover from your punish and force him to do certain moves and punish him again.

I...have ALWAYS felt that you've underrated hei-papi.

One thing no one talks about is how strong Jins EWHF actually is. He doesn't push back at all, and gets +5 on block - all other Mishima push back and can't really use the frames. Jin on the other hand can pressure with df+1, d+4, uf+2, f+1+2, Magic 4, Hellsweep, etc all after his electric gets blocked with no pushback, it's completely busted and by far the best electric. Just worth mentioning I think~

@zachary3879

Жыл бұрын

Not the absolute best since it doesn't track as much as the others, but yea I like more personally.

@RanOutOfSpac

Жыл бұрын

Plus it’s follow up combo is so fecking satisfying.

@LiamNancarrow

Жыл бұрын

I would give up Kazuya EWGF tracking to get 0 push back on block, it would be way stronger. You just add a wave dash to realign so stepping barely even matters. His d/f+1 would actually be a threat at +5

@DeadlyDAssassin

Жыл бұрын

The Kazuya pushback has follow ups it's what makes him unique. All mishimas have a follow up Jin is more neutral based it's by character design so this isn't new been saying this for yrs. Kazuya is more counter hit defensive than offensive Heihachi is more offensive and aggressive and Jin/DJin is neutral aka balanced. This is nothing new mainman just didn't think it through ans constantly kept changing opinions which I commend him for it but my God lmao it's by design. Nothing new. I can explain Kazuyas follow ups he has a few that are strong no one uses it.

Please TMM make a final video on Lei,Xiaoyu,leo and Eddy too

I think the Devil Jin U/F+4 nerf (no knockdown, no mini combo) killed him. Cuz usually you have that to keep your opponents standing.

@Myst1c_OW

Жыл бұрын

agreed and now he has no vortex... back to regular jin i go... hes incomplete without uf4 i woulda played him with the wall/hellsweep damage nerf still but the uf4 was too far... knee and arslan put him bottom 5 dude... crazy

After I hit red ranks with kazuya I started to play heihachi and the game is so much more fun compared to kazuya. Heihachi best Mishima

@Kevin-cb7fb

Жыл бұрын

Did the exact same and realised that playing Kazuya often put me in situations where I felt like having no options. You play against these Claudios and Kunis and they are just blowing you up with a few good and fast moves leaving you in a frustratingly locked down position.

Crazy…. I always though he was the strongest, didn’t expect The main man to do a complete 180 and co-sign.

Once some opponents stay on the ground after FC d/f4, you can do a crouch cancel into battering ram. It's such a great tool!

You've discovered the issue I had with Devil Jin in general that his moves have sucky synergy. He has moves that basically have one opportunity to hit and if they don't you rarely have anything that fits as a consistent follow-up. f,f+2 is an alright mid with a deep hitbox but if it's blocked you're out of options; you have to pull back and wait for their response. With Jin I can press 1+2 if I think they're going to react by running in after a f,f+2 and it'll punish a rushdown attempt but Devil Jin has no such move to go into after a situation like that. Add to that poor Tailspin options for combos (they're either low-damage or difficult to land for maximum damage), which gives him the worst staple combos of the Mishimas, and some mediocre poking (like d+3, which isn't necessarily bad to use as a standalone attack but grants nothing strategic at all because you're negative even when you land it). He's definitely not terrible but of the three Mishimas he's the most awkwardly designed most of the time (which makes some lore sense -- he can use the fighting style but his more chaotic drive means that it's not controlled or disciplined, relying more on instinctual response than calculated action). That said if you want a mid that's less reactable you could throw u/f+3 out there. It's actually theoretically MORE reactable because it's got a slower start but personally I like that slower start because it screws with people who expect something faster to come out when you're going for a 50/50. On block and normal hit it leaves your opponent quite minus and on CH it gives you the same launch as CD 3 (and the laggy startup can help set this up). The only problem I have is the input tends to make Devil Jin hop coming out of a crouch dash rather than go into the move so you need to find the right timing where the CD input has been cleared but you've still got that forward momentum to really take advantage of the attack's pressure potential.

I thought this is a Video were Tmm wants to attack jin again 😮‍💨

The damage difference between Kazuya and Devil Jin is just too large that I cannot put Kazuya below him. Devil Jin is the worst Mishima now to me.

Hearing Tmm say Kazuya is a bad character is wild

It only makes sense that Heihachi is the top mishima now , hes the main character of the history mode

@BullC6

Жыл бұрын

No he's not. A lot stronger now but DJ still the best among them.

@Decyg23

Жыл бұрын

@@BullC6 this patch dv took really big nerfs hes not the same scare character my friend,.. have u watched the video?

@BullC6

Жыл бұрын

@@Decyg23 I have watched the vid and I have every single Mishima above Yaksa. He makes some strong points yes but It's not enough. If you can find my full comment in this vid, I hve given my reasoning.

@BullC6

Жыл бұрын

And btw I suck with Kaz and DVJ cuz I can't do wavu and got them to Yaksa piss easy. Heihachi was actually harder and I constantly have to grind with him to keep up my skill level. I got demoted twice to purple ranks from Yaksa and I am bck at Ryujin with him. Imagine How much easier it would be with kaz and DJ if I could wavu. You can watch my channel if you want.

@Decyg23

Жыл бұрын

@@BullC6 wavu is optional

thank you mainman for finally saying devil jin isnt top 5 or top 10. all ur fans were riding that opinion hard just cuz u said it at the beginning of the patch.

@draftfgc

Жыл бұрын

devil jin hasnt been top 5 honestly since the beginning of season 3. If he was really top 5 you would see him, more difficulty is irrelevant to a pro player if the character is actually that good.

@crack4184

Жыл бұрын

@@draftfgc "beginning of season 3." They were all playing Leroy and Fahk at the time. Same reward WITH WAY LESS EFFORTS to make

I rely on kaz's b+1+2, d+1+2 for counter hits from neutral, ss+3 or d/b+3 to twin pistons, and unblockable setups, I do wish kaz's fc, d/f+3+4 would hit low, then he'd have some symmetry with his paw, get ppl crouching when they see you crouching, to setup the twin pistons better, conditioning opponents is so crucial in tekken I'm surprised the tekken community doesn't talk about it more, show a tendency, then switch it up, or don't, that's the good stuff, lol, "I'm sleeping, or am I?" x:)

We Heihachi mains recon he has BS moves like the demon uppercut, but he is very technical to play and only players who are willing to endure getting beat up over and over again in ranked two thirds of the time in order to understand how he works are ok with playing Heihachi. Also lets not forget that he is a Mishima so fundamentally based character, and while Heihachi favours a bully style of gameplay he struggles against characters that have good movement or evasive stances and attacks. Therefore good Heihachi must pick and choose their moments to be the juggernaut of pressure and the moments to be more relaxed to frustrate the opponent for them to commit to an unsafe move for him to punish, that requires good fundamentals and defence which takes Time. Overall Heihachi mains have Always been here, its just that the buffs over the seasons just added up while people were figuring ways to make the character strong with mixups and setups. To me the resurgence of Heihachi and mishima players in Europe and the insane Mishima scene in Pakistan, south America, and Asia showed that people are still wanting to play a version of Tekken that ressembles more legacy Tekken than modern Tekken. An easy concept on paper, but very specialised and hard to master with defined flaws and weak against lots of other characters that are more pushed as being the more modern faces of Tekken. To me its beautiful. Also devil jin has never been a problem to me being OP he always has been the Tekken version of Akuma or bison since T5, the cool villain that is really and does stuff nobody else does, and he is the dark side of the main character so he should be strong but i understand that uf4 was cheap as hell and needed nerfs

@via_negativa6183

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After a point most of the execution becomes mainly muscle memory. it's still an important balancing aspect of course because of the threat (that your opponent knows you could drop it)

I got cheated on yesterday, mainman posting is the shit I needed fr

... aahh .... its gonna be nice encountering some fellow Heihachi mains online now. Maybe Kazumi will be next ? Eh, im on console though - so its probably a completely different story.

Heihachi gets his deserved place among the mishima

Takes a big person to admit they made a mistake! GG Mainmain!

TMM on db4: this is not a low you'll be throwing out alot My noob ass: yeeeah... about that...

Heihahi is clearly the most versatile. Way more options

Every akuma main laughing at the tierlist every season

dont you love it when streamers and pros say " pls nerf this character" and when they do nerf the character to death they go " oh thats too much, pls that wasnt right" basically screwing casual players lol

@YourMasta

Жыл бұрын

You hit the nail on the head. The worst part is people who copy these opinions without any information. People say characters are broken without even understanding why the character is good

If you think Devil Jin wall combo was lacking, ask yourself this: "What the fuck does he do WITHOUT the wall?" All his enders either push his opponents back too far for an oki, or gives them plenty of time to recover. His wall combo was the only thing going for him along with his wraith kick 50/50. When you remove both that, he only has a good hell sweep and the demon's paw.

@Smoothalcoholic

Жыл бұрын

the character is overloaded

@rurounijay7100

Жыл бұрын

Yeah he was honestly always a pretty honest character, he was very top tier yes, but not super cheesy outside of u4 which is a get out of jail free card. The nerfs were unneccessary and hes fallen off so hard.

@jR0xas

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Wall combo needed to go. Uf4 could've stayed in my opinion.

@tanyadegurechaff4106

Жыл бұрын

@@jR0xas I didn't care if UF4 or the wall combo was removed. But removing BOTH was an over reaction. Then they cut down on his f1+2 gimmick and made it launchable too. The developers didn't want to balance him, they just gave the loud minority of fans what they wanted. It's like they said "YOU WANT NERFS!? HERE'S NERFS!" Wham! No more Qudans ever.

@rurounijay7100

Жыл бұрын

@@tanyadegurechaff4106 pretty much there was nothing constructive done with the nerfs. It didnt make sense, its not fair, because people are STILL complaining about the character. They did it to shut people up and thats a mistake because you can never satisfy people like that.

Aqeel is so insane with heihachi

Woah, he's alive

All the people who can’t think for themself who copied this guys opinion and were saying devil jin is still good look so d*** right now. It’s actually funny. This is why you should think for yourself children. Everyone except this guy and his drones were saying devil jin isn’t good anymore. Now he finally caught up.

@davidparry5310

Жыл бұрын

Devil Jin is still upper mid tier and the best of the Mishimas. He has the best CH game, poking, keep-out and panic moves. He also has decent wall carry and a viable 50/50 (unlike Heihachi). (I've been very critical of TMM on this and other frankly absurd takes that he's had in the past, and so I don't think I can reasonably be characterised as a TMM drone.)

funny how late he realized how hard they hit Devil jin when a few of us said it from the beginning lol hopefully he'll be stronger in Tekken 8. Or still even a separate character at all...

I always remember tmm saying Kaz was like a sleeper "s tier" on this game or at least. I'm surprised he changed his opinion as someone who can do all the hard/difficult kazuya stuff.

@Tundric_Schwolf

Жыл бұрын

yoo juicewayne I remember you back from sikander streams! World is small, isnt it

You had one job. 😂

yeah kaz has felt extremely underwhelming for a while, and heihachi jab has felt crazy for a minute, DJ feels dead

Heihachis 12 directional 1+2 into omen or electric made me a Rank S on sidestepping.

15;36 testament to the power creep in 7 where one of the best moves in every game since it was introduced is no longer considered scary. For regular Jin (pre tag 2 you could say it was one of his 3 good moves, parry FF+2, ewgf)

rip kazuya :(

We need a new tier list

Imagine calling Kazuya "not a good character" ..is TMM slowly losing his mind?

@wildman7220

Жыл бұрын

He lost his mind years ago

@rajazel

Жыл бұрын

@@wildman7220 once he realizes devil jin sucks he suddenly says heihachi is the best mishima. the downplay is crazy and obvious at this point

@crack4184

Жыл бұрын

He went through Tekken 6 with Kazuya. he'll be fine

Kazuya in English means Peace, Harmony, Calm

Kazuya always felt underpowered in all these recent games compared to the others thats why I had several back up mains like Miguel and Devil Jin. He's still my fav tho and really iconic.

Devil Jin players called this years ago but still got punished with the nerfs but oh well 🤷🏽‍♂️

heihachi is the only mishima i can consistently play, im a jim main but using dvj i literally cannot win with him, kazuya is a mixed bag for me

@RanOutOfSpac

Жыл бұрын

Jim Halpert is my main too, after they nerfed Dwight in the last patch.

used to play alisa , breezed through the green ranks , then i played eliza , also a breeze , then i play heihachi and i hate my life cant even properly play green ranks without being demoted over and over

I never understood how some people considered him one of the hardest chatacter if you can just spam safe tracking launching mids all the time. Safe huge reward game

@odst72397

Жыл бұрын

From playing him for a couple months, his combo execution is very demanding, even staple combos get dropped from time to time, also you have to be unpredictable with your lows, or they will punish you heavy

I missed u mainman😢😢😢😢